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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, what is up? Welcome to the Get These

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Speaker 1: Charge podcast. There's anybody the Chargers Podcast Network. My name

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Speaker 1: is Stephen and I am the host as always, and

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Speaker 1: joining me is my guy Tyler. Tyler, what'supman? How you

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Speaker 1: doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastics, man. I got a pretty sweet Charger's

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Speaker 2: hoodie on love the stuff from the team store. That

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Speaker 2: stuff was always the best, so I look great. Covers

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Speaker 2: the fat all good man? I love it. How are

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Speaker 2: you doing, Steven?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't need to cover anything. Who were you kidding here? Doing?

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Speaker 3: Good man?

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Speaker 1: The weather is starting to cool down up here in

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Speaker 1: central California, which is really nice considering it was eighty

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Speaker 1: five degrees on Sunday and I was I was sweating

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Speaker 1: in my seats on Sunday at the game. But it

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Speaker 1: was a fun game, you know, Brook and I did

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Speaker 1: did the day trip down, had a great time, met

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Speaker 1: some of our loyal listeners, so it was great. It

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Speaker 1: was an entertaining game, which we will dive into, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: lots of fun for sure.

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Speaker 3: Really quickly, I have to give.

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Speaker 1: A shout out to obviously the team and anybody that

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Speaker 1: does any of the production stuff.

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Speaker 3: I thought being there for the first time.

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Speaker 1: This year, there were a lot of new changes and

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed those, just like the game day atmosphere

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Speaker 1: that the team creates is so outstanding. And then the

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Speaker 1: halftime show, you know, it was a little teary eyed man,

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Speaker 1: a little uh needed some tissues because the Charges had

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Speaker 1: a wonderful tribute to veterans and everybody that has served.

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Speaker 1: It was just super well done. So just truly such

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Speaker 1: an outstanding, like game day atmosphere that this team creates,

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Speaker 1: and really grateful for it because it just makes the

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Speaker 1: games that much more fun to be at, more entertaining,

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Speaker 1: and just more enjoyable overall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so fi the building itself, the stadium itself, could

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Speaker 2: have just kind of left it and honestly, it's like

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Speaker 2: a new wonder of the world. You could have just

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Speaker 2: done that. But the Charges are really cranked up. I

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Speaker 2: think the atmosphere this year. Esther and I had the

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Speaker 2: that the DJ slash violinist has a whole new stage

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Speaker 2: now and it's fantastic and she's just crushing it in pregame,

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Speaker 2: crushing it the whole time. It's just fantastic. The King Aiden,

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Speaker 2: you know, fourth quarter sort of thing now where he's

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Speaker 2: got like a new every time he's on there's something

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Speaker 2: new now. It was just you know, I was at

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Speaker 2: the first game where it was just him ripping off

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Speaker 2: the jersey and swinging it. He's got like belly paint

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Speaker 2: now and his full like crown. I'm wait, just waiting

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Speaker 2: for him, like a sponsorship next. You know, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what it'll be, but like Lake Shore or something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Like he's got some sponsor next. It's awesome, ageah.

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Speaker 2: I love the atmosphere of being there, win or lose,

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Speaker 2: like you have a really good time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know they were, like I said, there

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Speaker 1: were there's some new features that I noticed from last season. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the defense enters to enter Sandman Now, which is, as

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Speaker 1: a Metallica fan, super cool to listen to. There was

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Speaker 1: like a two minute feature as well, right before the

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Speaker 1: two minute warning in each half to you know, get

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Speaker 1: people rowed up. So the production at game day is

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Speaker 1: truly outstanding. If you haven't been to a home game

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Speaker 1: at Sofi Stadium, just strongly encourage you to get out

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Speaker 1: there and experience it because it truly is an event

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Speaker 1: that the team and the stadium just do a great

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Speaker 1: job of So that being said, we do have a

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Speaker 1: game to dive into. We also have a game against

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Speaker 1: the Packers at lambeau Field to dive into a little

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Speaker 1: bit today before we do that. Of course, Time and

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Speaker 1: I are fans of the team just like you guys are.

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Speaker 1: We are very fortunate to have this platform. But this

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Speaker 1: is where we express our own opinions. This is not

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Speaker 1: where we express the opinions of the team.

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Speaker 3: We are not paid employees of the team.

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Speaker 1: We are simply independent contractors to give our opinion on

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Speaker 1: this platform.

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Speaker 3: And we are very grateful for it.

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Speaker 1: So that being said, Tyler, we're gonna do a kind

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Speaker 1: of a different show today. We'd like to mix it

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Speaker 1: up on this show in case you guys haven't noticed,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna do some general takeaways and then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do a take on Overreaction Monday. It's you guys

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Speaker 1: are gonna be listening to this on Wednesday, obviously, so

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be an over Reaction Wednesday, if you will.

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Speaker 1: And then we'll do some little quick preview bits of

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Speaker 1: the Chargers and Packers game. So it should be a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Excited to dive into it. Tyler let's

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Speaker 1: get into it, man, because this was a huge game.

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Speaker 1: You and I were both super excited for it. I

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Speaker 1: think lived up to the billing from a final score standpoint.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously the Lions coming out victorious unfortunately, but

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Speaker 1: forty one to thirty eight just was an electric second

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Speaker 1: half of this game, with both teams just scoring at

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Speaker 1: will basically. So I'll start with you here, what's kind

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Speaker 1: of your big standout as we kind of move forward

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Speaker 1: from the Lions weekend into the Packers game.

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Speaker 2: That the Chargers may have started to find their identity

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Speaker 2: on offense. And I don't necessarily mean that that means

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Speaker 2: that they found a set of plays that worked. The

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Speaker 2: Chargers got punched in the mouth pretty early in that

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Speaker 2: game on offense and defense throughout it. But the offense

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Speaker 2: clearly was not working. Initially. There was the interception, they

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Speaker 2: had one fuel goal, they punted twice. They really didn't

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Speaker 2: And you could tell at the game when they zoomed

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Speaker 2: I'm sick of this, Let's go win this game. And

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Speaker 2: then Herbert and I'm glad you pointed this out because

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Speaker 2: I noticed it at the game after that run they

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Speaker 2: like he had this look that was different. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's usually very like stoic or you know, content or

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Speaker 2: excited when there's a big play. I don't rarely see

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Speaker 2: And there was a point where it just felt like

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Speaker 2: Kellen Moore keenan out and Justin Herbert just said, you

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Speaker 2: know what, our backs are up against the wall. We

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Speaker 2: have to win this game for our team. And I'm

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Speaker 2: one of the best receivers in the league right now.

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Speaker 2: You're one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Let's

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Speaker 2: just go beat up that defense, dude. And there was

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Speaker 2: just some aspect of like confidence and swagger and almost

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Speaker 2: aggression that this offense had that I hadn't seen in

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Speaker 2: the goal to go stuff, and all the one one

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Speaker 2: they really started to figure out everything, and they have

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Speaker 2: I think their identity of we're just going to go

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Speaker 2: the Packers, who have a very depleted secondary right now, and.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a great place to start. Obviously a

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Speaker 1: People will will want to talk about the defense, and

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Speaker 1: we'll get to them for sure, But the way the

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Speaker 1: offense played, and specifically those two players like you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: I thought was truly one of the best games from

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Speaker 1: And I think Kellen Moore also was really locked into that.

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Speaker 1: And I just really loved the plan watching it on tape.

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Speaker 1: Loved watching what Kellen Moore was dialing up to get

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Speaker 1: keenan Allen open. Ted Winn, who writes for The Athletic

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Speaker 1: who's been on this show with us, featured you know,

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore's plan for Keenan Allen in his article where

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Speaker 1: every single week he highlights his favorite coaching decisions of

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Speaker 1: the weekend in the NFL. And you watching the tape early,

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Speaker 1: you saw the Lions have a very clear plan of

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Speaker 1: we're going to try and take away Keenan Allen. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna make your other guys beat us. We're going to

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Speaker 3: And I think for the first quarter it was working.

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Speaker 1: You saw justin just kind of hang on to Keenan,

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Speaker 1: a way for Kellen to draw up one on one

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Speaker 1: aggressive with it. It wasn't just usual like option routes

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Speaker 1: And I think we've seen the Chargers kind of struggle

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Speaker 1: I think that really paid dividends with how aggressive they were,

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Speaker 3: It just was refreshing to see.

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Speaker 1: And it was, you know, obviously justin getting back to

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Speaker 1: really playing at the level that we expect of him.

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Speaker 1: Leading five touchdowns in the final five drives of the

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Speaker 3: They needed every bit of it, man.

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Speaker 1: And I remember sitting in the game when it was

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Speaker 1: to seven or seventeen to three. I can't remember specifically

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Speaker 1: what moment it was at, but I remember looking to

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Speaker 1: Brook and just saying like, this is a game that

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Speaker 1: Justin just needs to come in and take over. And

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Speaker 1: he did it because you know, obviously they didn't win,

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Speaker 1: but this is a game where Justin Herbert just established it,

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Speaker 1: you know, re established himself as a guy who said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I can bring my team back in

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Speaker 1: this kind of game. And unfortunately it came up short

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Speaker 1: as a team. But Justin just put on a show

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Speaker 1: man and it was. It was outstanding to watch in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I say the whole Keenan Allen thing. I

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Speaker 2: talk about keenan On because he was awesome in that game,

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Speaker 2: but I don't mean that they only can throw to

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Speaker 2: Keenon only do that, because that's been part of the frustration.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: You started to see though, that Herbert just takes that

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Speaker 2: And there's two plays that really exemplify that. One was

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Speaker 2: the fake screen to Darius David to the right that

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Speaker 2: it had been the Jalen Guiton touchdown. Jalen Guiden was

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Speaker 2: And there's just that trust in him and trust in

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Speaker 2: And he makes it fun to watch, right, And it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was rolling to his right and Quentin Johnson

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Speaker 2: I think the Jets have a better front seven, of course,

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Speaker 1: Quarterback discourse national media is ridiculous this week. Football is

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Speaker 3: Anyways, that's my little bit rant about that.

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Speaker 1: So I thought Herbert was fantastic on the flip side

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Speaker 1: The Lions shredded the Chargers defense. Daniel Popper pointed this out.

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Speaker 1: There have been fourteen times where an offense in the

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Speaker 3: Watching the tape was not a fun experience from the defense.

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Speaker 1: It was it was just the physicality, the route running,

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Speaker 3: But when you go up.

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Speaker 2: It was as bad a defensive performance as I can remember,

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was rough to sit in the stands and watch

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you adjust your scheme of what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I I'm not sitting here and asking the Chargers

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Speaker 1: one of the best offensive coordinators in the league. They

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Speaker 1: have the personnel to to you know, really score points.

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Speaker 1: And then offensive line. All the respect of the Philadelphi Eagles,

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Speaker 1: I think the Lions offensive line might be better than them.

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Speaker 1: I like what Pinasul did on Sunday was was ridiculously good.

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Speaker 1: So I figured that the Chargers defense wild struggle a

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Speaker 1: little bit more. That being said, I still expected them

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Speaker 1: to be able to you know, get four or five stops,

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Speaker 1: and it just every single drive was at least past

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Speaker 1: midfield for the Lions. Even the hunt that the Chargers

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Speaker 1: force in the second half was at midfield. It was

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Speaker 1: it was past you know, the fifty yard line.

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Speaker 3: So there were some good moments. There were some good standouts,

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Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 1: I thought Dean Leonard came in and gave the team

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Speaker 1: some really good ball. You know, obviously, with Michael Davis

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Speaker 1: being sick and reportedly like throwing up before the game

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Speaker 1: and everything, just being thrust into the starting lineup against

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Speaker 1: this team, I think Dean Leonard showed that he can,

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Speaker 1: you know, be a reliable player when called upon. I

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Speaker 1: think O Tito Bonia coming back from his injury. It

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Speaker 1: stood out really well. Cleon Mack had some good plays there,

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Speaker 1: when James had some good plays. It's just it wasn't

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Speaker 1: enough and there against this team when they get in

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Speaker 1: that kind of rhythm, I think you just have to

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Speaker 1: kind of change things, and I don't think the Chargers

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Speaker 1: were ready and willing to do that.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, this is.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers find themselves in an AFC that is just

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Speaker 1: completely jumbled up. There are thirteen teams that legitimately have

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Speaker 1: a chance of the playoffs right now, and it's just

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Speaker 1: it's you, we got to make changes on defense, otherwise

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Speaker 1: I think you're going to be on the outside looking

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Speaker 1: in once we get to Week eighteen. So we'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens. I think this week it's obviously gonna be

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Speaker 1: a challenge. You know that the Packers, what we'll get

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Speaker 1: to here in a minute, have some very talented players.

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Speaker 3: They have a coach and Matt Lafleur that I really respect.

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Speaker 1: A lot from an offensive standpoint, But the Packers' offensive

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Speaker 1: line is not the Lions offensive line. So hopefully this

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Speaker 1: defense can get back on track, and specifically the defensive line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with the defensive line, the edge rushes

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Speaker 2: in particular, I think everyone is ready to jump back

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Speaker 2: the other direction. Oh just kidding, these guys are fraudulent.

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Speaker 2: I really feel like the Lion's just everything they could

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Speaker 2: to make sure there was no pressure, Like one, they

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Speaker 2: had the offensive line to do it, and do they

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Speaker 2: basically ensure that the Chargers rush was not going to

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Speaker 2: get there. They tried everything they could to make sure

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Speaker 2: it was difficult for the Chargers rush. So I understand

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Speaker 2: the frustration, you know, going from forty pressures in eight

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Speaker 2: sacks to like six pressures or whatever it was is

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Speaker 2: a bit of a dramatic shift. But I think the

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Speaker 2: Lions themselves did a really good job scheming away from that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, All right, guys, we are going to take a

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Speaker 1: quick break, and then we'll be back for some overreactions

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Speaker 1: to this game and about the Charger season, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll get to some quick thoughts about the Packers game

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll be back in a second, Hey, guys.

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Speaker 1: awaits only with on location. Okay, Tyler, let's get to

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Speaker 1: some of these over reactions that we wanted to hit

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Speaker 1: on today. This is obviously a bit of a shout

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Speaker 1: out to Rich Eisen and all the work that he

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Speaker 1: does for NFL Network and his own show. I think

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Speaker 1: his overreaction Monday segment it's fantastic. Pat McAfee does overreaction

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Speaker 1: segments as well. I think it's a good way to

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Speaker 1: really kind of gauge where things are at in some instances.

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Speaker 1: So we have some ideas. We'll touch on some of them.

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Speaker 1: I think we both talked for a little bit more

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Speaker 1: than we were planning about those segments, but it's all good,

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Speaker 1: all right, Tyler. First one I want to get to

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Speaker 1: was your idea that Keenan Allen will lead the league

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Speaker 1: in receiving. Is that an overreaction or do you think

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Speaker 1: that is really a legitimate possibility after what he has

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Speaker 1: done through the first ten weeks of the season.

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Speaker 2: So for context, Tyreek Hill is in the lead with

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Speaker 2: one seventy five and Keenan Allen is at eight ninety five,

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Speaker 2: so you know there's a ways to go, right I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's an overreaction. I'm not saying that I'm

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Speaker 2: going to go out and bet money on this, but

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Speaker 2: I really feel like Keenan Allan could do it, and

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Speaker 2: the way that they're playing right now and the way

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Speaker 2: they found ways to get him freed up involved the

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Speaker 2: way Herbert is obviously playing. Keenan Allen I think owns

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Speaker 2: two of the seven highest yardage totals in a single

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Speaker 2: game this season for him, the Vikings game being more.

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Speaker 2: But with the most recent game that he had, I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's an overreaction. Man. I really think that

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Speaker 2: he can press for that number one receiving yards title.

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Speaker 2: Well he get there, we'll see, But I do not

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Speaker 2: think it's an overreaction. I think with the way that

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Speaker 2: they're clicking right now and the kind of angry nature

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Speaker 2: that he's sort of playing with, or he's over it,

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Speaker 2: and obviously Herbert and more getting him open. It's a

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Speaker 2: great one two three. I think they'll pull it off.

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Speaker 3: I think you could. I think you definitely could.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tyreek Hill and Keenan have played the same

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Speaker 1: amount of games. For those who were wondering if that

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Speaker 1: was that was a thing. Aj Brown currently second in

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Speaker 1: the league at one thousand and five, and then Ceedee

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Speaker 1: Lamb at nine hundred and seventy five, and then Stefan

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Speaker 1: Diggs is right behind Keenan at eight sixty eight.

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Speaker 3: Those really feel like the five.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we could see Alma Ross and Brown challenge for that,

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Speaker 1: but those who like the five that have a chance

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Speaker 1: of winning that thing. Obviously the Eagles they like to

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Speaker 1: run the football a lot. They also have DeVante Smith.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he kind of comes back down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs, you know, the Bills are starting to figure

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Speaker 1: out that Dalton King kid exists.

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Speaker 3: They're starting to run the ball. They also fire their offensive.

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Speaker 1: Coordinator today, So maybe it really comes down to Tyreek,

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Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, and Keenan. But Keenan's not far behind him, man,

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Speaker 1: And I think like, regardless of how you look at it,

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Speaker 1: what we know is that Keenan Allen is having a

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Speaker 1: career season, which we kind of figured might have been

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Speaker 1: in the works watching him at training camp, just like

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Speaker 1: shredding it every single day. But what he's doing at

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Speaker 1: his age, it feels pretty unprecedented to me. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's not many seasons from receivers over thirty years old

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Speaker 1: and have this kind of impact. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: tweeted this out yesterday. If you take his there, there

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Speaker 1: have been eighteen games since he came back from his

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Speaker 1: hamstring injury, which was Week eleven last year. In those

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Speaker 1: eighteen games, he's recorded one hundred and eighty one targets,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty eight receptions, one five and forty

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Speaker 1: nine yards, and ten touchdowns, So like he's he's putting

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Speaker 1: up legitimate numbers right now. He's also currently tied for

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Speaker 1: fifth and first downs created, he's tenth and passerating one targeted,

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Speaker 1: and he's ninth in yards per route run. So however,

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Speaker 1: you want to shake it, like the dude is having

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Speaker 1: a career high season. The Chargers posted a great meme

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Speaker 1: on social media about him not being top five, and

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Speaker 1: then he's top five and like every regular statistic and

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Speaker 1: then all of that stuff too, So.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's an overreaction.

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Speaker 1: I think the Chargers have some favorable secondaries and passing

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Speaker 1: defenses coming up. I think this is a legitimate possibility

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Speaker 1: where Keenan can continue his hot play. Justin obviously trusts

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Speaker 1: him at a really high level. Kellen is designing great

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Speaker 1: stuff for him. So I'm gonna say, not an overreaction.

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Speaker 1: Like you, I think there's a legitimate chance that this happens.

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Speaker 2: I love that. What a story it would be to

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Speaker 2: just in your oldest season, in your latest season, you know,

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Speaker 2: you think that maybe you've got you know, who knows,

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Speaker 2: it could have just been the next year or two,

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Speaker 2: and that's it. To put up the best numbers of

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Speaker 2: your career is pretty cool. Anytime we can project that

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Speaker 2: Keenan Allen's going to be on the team longer, it's

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Speaker 2: good with me, you know, my favorite player on the team. Okay,

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Speaker 2: my question, my potential overreaction here. The Chargers will head

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Speaker 2: to Green Bay and they will lose.

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Speaker 1: All right, So the Chargers obviously have kind of had

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Speaker 1: a pattern so far this season.

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Speaker 3: Lose to win, to lose, to win to wait is

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Speaker 3: that right?

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Speaker 1: And then theoretically the next one would be losing, So

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Speaker 1: the Packers I think are being a little bit slept

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Speaker 1: on in terms of the fan base and the way

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Speaker 1: that they're kind of talking about this team. Obviously, the

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Speaker 1: game is in Lambeau. I don't know what the weather

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Speaker 1: is like, but it's November. I assume it's going to

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Speaker 1: be cold. It is an early kick, which we've seen

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Speaker 1: the Chargers kind of struggle with in previous years. So,

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Speaker 1: like I guess I wouldn't be shocked, but to me,

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Speaker 1: this is an overreaction. I think that the Chargers have

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Speaker 1: shown that they can and have beaten teams like this.

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Speaker 1: I don't really have the same kind of feelings about

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Speaker 1: the Packers defense that they can hold down justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: and Keenan Allen right now. Obviously that they have you know,

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Speaker 1: Sean Gary and Jay R Alexander and some good players,

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Speaker 1: but Joe Berry, their defensive coordinator, has allowed a lot

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Speaker 1: of yards, a lot of points. And I think that

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Speaker 1: this is an overreaction because I think the offense is

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Speaker 1: just going to carry the day a little bit. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Packers offense is also not the Lions offense,

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Speaker 1: It's not the Chiefs offense. It's a good unit, but

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Speaker 1: it's not that much. So for me, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: say that is an over reaction.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I definitely agree with you, and Alexander might

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Speaker 2: not even play that games that the Packers outside corners

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Speaker 2: are a former undrafted free agent and seventh rounder, not

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Speaker 2: to say that means that they're bad, but it certainly

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Speaker 2: does not mean that they are. Alexander. So it seems

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Speaker 2: like the Charters offense is going to be just finding

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Speaker 2: the passing game. And this Packers rush defense has not

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Speaker 2: been great. They try their best to defend the pass

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Speaker 2: and at the expense of their run defense, and so

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Speaker 2: Joe Barry unfortunately has been the defense hasn't been great,

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Speaker 2: So I think the offense will do enough to carry

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Speaker 2: the team. I mostly just wanted to ask that because

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Speaker 2: I know you like la Floor quite a bit, and

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Speaker 2: you were higher on the Packers, not like to an

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Speaker 2: outrageous extent, but you did believe in what they could

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Speaker 2: do this year. It started strong, but then just the

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Speaker 2: little little pieces here and there and falling off back

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Speaker 2: to Yari plays one game then that's it for the

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Speaker 2: rest of the season. Jenkins has been hurt, Alexander's been hurt.

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Speaker 2: Ship on Sell Douglas, So a lot of changes since

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Speaker 2: the projection of what they could do. So I was

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Speaker 2: just curious how you felt there. So, No, I don't

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Speaker 2: it is an overreaction. I do not think the Chargers

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Speaker 2: will go to Lambo and lose.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I picked the Packers as a playoff

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Speaker 1: team heading into the season.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned some of those injuries.

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Speaker 1: I think just how young they are on offense has

651
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: really shown up too, and just some a lot of

652
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: the injuries on defensive just kind of you know, overtaking

653
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: them a little bit offensive line issues as well.

654
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Speaker 3: So all right, next one here we wanted.

655
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Speaker 1: To discuss because there was a lot of narratives obviously

656
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: happening on social media about the Chargers edge rushers having

657
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: played fantastic against the Jets, awesome against the Bears as well,

658
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: generally just having a pretty good season the three of them.

659
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: A lot of people feeling that the Chargers edge rusher

660
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: trio is overrated after what the Lions did to them

661
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: this past Sunday. So, Tyler, is that an overreaction in

662
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: your opinion?

663
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: I believe that's an overreaction. There's levels to this, depending

664
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: on how what you felt about the edge rushers and

665
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: where you placed them. So overrated could mean a couple

666
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: of different things and depending on where you have them.

667
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: But no, I do think it is an overreaction. You

668
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: can't not do what you can't just undo and forget

669
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: what they did against the previous two teams. Yes, the

670
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: opponents were inferior, of course, like the offensive line was inferior,

671
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: of course, but you can't rule out what they did

672
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: and you can't forget about what guys like Tuley and

673
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: Khalil Mack have done against some better players throughout the season,

674
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: some better teams throughout the year, you know, I thought

675
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: against like the Vikings, for example, Tully had an outstanding game.

676
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: Is their offensive line at least at that point, are

677
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: they bad? No, that's a good group.

678
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: You know.

679
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: Colton Millier isn't like great, but he's certainly better than

680
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: what the bears of the Jets had. And I don't

681
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: know if it was Kali Max specifically against him, but

682
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: Khalil Mack had his amazing day, you know. So I

683
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: just think this was an aspect where they had a school,

684
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: they had a great rushing attack, they had a really

685
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: good plan overall, and I just think that it kind

686
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: of avalanched into the edge rush, just not being able

687
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: to do much because there was no opportunity for them

688
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: to do much. I will say it's a disappointing game,

689
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: but I don't believe they're overrated.

690
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think.

691
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't think they're already mentioned some of the good

692
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: offensive lines that they've played well against, and we've seen

693
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: that if you don't have an offensive line like the Lions,

694
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: that they will potentially dominate your football game. So it's

695
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: just it's a union that I think unfortunately ran into

696
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: kind of a buzzsaw of an offensive line, and we

697
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: saw Klon mackad I think.

698
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 3: It was for pressures.

699
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but the right side of the offensive

700
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: line for the Lions is was just like out of

701
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: its mind. And Pinny School, to me, is arguably the

702
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: best offensive tackle in the sport right now. What he

703
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: did and it has done this season is just truly outstanding.

704
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: And that happened sometime.

705
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Speaker 1: And I think also the game script from a pass

706
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: rushing perspective was just not to the point where you

707
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: want it to be. We kind of talked about this,

708
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: the third down designer packages that the Chargers have been

709
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: able to do with their four best pass rushers. Well,

710
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: you can't get to that when every third down is

711
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: third and two. So, you know, Khalil kind of talked

712
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: about this after the game. You got to be able

713
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: to stop the run and then you can rush the passer,

714
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: and we just didn't see that.

715
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Speaker 3: So unfortunately. I just think that this was a bad

716
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Speaker 3: day from.

717
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: The Chargers edge rusher group, but I expect them to

718
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: bounce back this week. In particular, they do have a

719
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: good matchup. You know, Rashid Walker and Zach tom are

720
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: good young players, but they're not an a Swell and

721
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: Taylor Decker, so should be a positive matchup for the

722
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: edge rusher trio. I think you still look at their

723
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: numbers as a whole, and all three of them have

724
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: had really fantastic seasons, you know, from an efficiency standpoint,

725
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: from a pressure standpoint, from a run defense standpoint. So

726
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: I do expect them to the bounce back. I think that

727
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: this group in particular will be pretty angry about the

728
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: Lions game, and I think they'll come out swinging against

729
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: the Packers on Sunday.

730
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, there are we going to do one more.

731
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 3: We'll do one more and then we'll highlight some things.

732
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Speaker 3: This is kind of highlight of both here.

733
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Speaker 1: But Rayshawn Gary, I think is a quality player that

734
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: the Chargers have up next. So I guess the overreaction

735
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: take here is that Rashawn Gary is going to continue

736
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: the trend of opposing edge rushers wrecking the Chargers offensive

737
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: game plans.

738
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Speaker 2: That is not an over reaction. He is going to

739
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: start the game playing over more so against Trey Pipkins,

740
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: and well, I think Pipkins and Soldier, I guess to

741
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: that extent, like that right side could pulled up and

742
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: the Chargers scheme could help, and they've improved running the football,

743
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: so I think that will help. But I don't think

744
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: it's an overreaction. I think we still have yet to

745
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 2: see Trip Pipkins have a good like game in past

746
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: protection in quite some time. It's it's been quite a

747
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: long time. And unfortunately, like they know, one side is

748
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: Bryshawn Slater, therefore I will line up on the other side,

749
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: so unfortunately he does get the worst of it. But

750
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Speaker 2: I think given Gary and how he's been so far

751
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 2: this season, yeah, I don't I think he will continue

752
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: to at least from the right side of the line

753
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: wreck the game plan. I still think the Charger will

754
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: do final offense, so I guess maybe not wreck the

755
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: game plan, but I think Gary will certainly do a

756
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: lot of damage. So no, not an over reaction.

757
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you look at what Aiden Hutchinson

758
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: and like the plan was for him, because I think

759
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: those are two defensive lines that are similar at least

760
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: in terms of like talent, because the Packers don't really

761
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: have like a second edge rusher that that really like

762
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: makes you game plan for them. You know, President Smith

763
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: has a lot, accomplished a lot in this league, but

764
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: he's not like that kind of level where you have

765
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: to game plan for him. Lucas Vans had five pressures

766
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: in his first game and has two since. That point

767
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: kind of puts kinds of kind of puts into perspective

768
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: what Tulee has been able to do as a rookie

769
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: when Lucas Manez was picked fifteenth overall. So I think

770
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: that you you know where you're where like the threat is.

771
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: You know that it's Rashaan Gary, Kenny Clark a little

772
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: bit as well. You know, it's kind of their version

773
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: of like Elle McNeil, so from like a game planning perspective,

774
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: you should have very clear like identification points. But you

775
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: know Rashaan Gary, to his credit, among pass rushers with

776
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: at least one hundred pass rush snaps, Rashan Gary is

777
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: six in PFS productivity rating, which measures like how often.

778
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 3: Are you getting a pressure or a hit or or

779
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: a sack.

780
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: Versus like the amount of snaps that you're playing, So

781
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: he's he's outstanding in the advanced metrics. He's second in

782
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: the league in pass rush win rate among ed rushers,

783
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: training only Miles Garrett. So from an efficiency standpoint, Rashan

784
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: Gary is one of the best.

785
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: In the league. He obviously has a new.

786
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: Contract that the Packers gave him a few weeks ago,

787
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: so this is gonna be another tough matchup. The Chargers

788
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: have faced a lot of great opposing edge rushers. A

789
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: lot of them have had their way with the right

790
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: side of the offensive line, so it's a concern. But

791
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: the good news is that you know that's that's the guy.

792
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: You know that you can gain plan for him. So

793
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: I think he'll have his his moments similar to how

794
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson did. But I thought for the most part,

795
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: the Chargers had a really good plan for Aiden Hutchinson.

796
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: I thought that Trey held up fine. Like I do

797
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: agree that he's kind of struggling a bit right now,

798
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: but I think this is obviously a great one for

799
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: him to have a stand up performance, and I hope

800
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: it is.

801
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 3: But I do expect him to give him some help.

802
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: The Chargers have really loved to live in empty packages

803
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: to kind of get the ball out quick, So I

804
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: think you can mitigate this somewhat. But so I'm gonna

805
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: go maybe mild overreaction for this one.

806
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 2: Okay, there's levels to this one mile mild, semi mild,

807
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: you know, hot ones or whatever. We can get their

808
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: their spicy. Yeah, yeah, what did you This is a

809
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: very out of their question. I don't know if you

810
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: paid attention, what did you think of Nick Vennett in

811
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 2: this game? And we're talking about tight ends and helping

812
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: and assisting tackles because it felt like live he was

813
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: making a pretty strong impact on several plays on replay.

814
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: If you happen to pay attention to him, how do

815
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: you think he did?

816
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

817
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: I thought that he was really good from a blocking standpoint.

818
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: I thought that there were a couple of times where

819
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: they trusted him to seal off the backside, and I

820
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: thought that there was a couple times where they trusted

821
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: him to seal the front side and he was good

822
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: on that speed option play. He was the blocker out

823
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: in front for Austin Eckler, so that PFF run blocking

824
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: grade I definitely do disagree with. There was one play

825
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: where Alee McNeil some I forget what exactly happened, but

826
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: he would ended up blocking Alee McNeil, and Alee McNeil

827
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: obviously got him. Like that's just not a positive matchup.

828
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: It might have been like a counter or trap play.

829
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Speaker 1: But for the most part, I mean, Nick Vannette has

830
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: been what I've expected. He's been a solid, reliable blocker.

831
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: He's not going to like transform the run game by

832
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: any means.

833
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: But he's just trustworthy.

834
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: I do think that Kellen's trying a lot of things

835
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: to try and figure out how to run the game,

836
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: run to run the ball effectively. There were some times

837
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: where Jalen Ien was kind of like a lead blocker,

838
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: which I don't know if I'd be doing that personally.

839
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 3: Love Jalen Guyen.

840
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: I do think he's a fantastic blocker, but it's different

841
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: when you're asking me to block cornerbacks versus linebackers and edgereshers.

842
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: But so it's it's been good having Nick Vannet in there.

843
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: I think he's a reliable blocker. We'll see what happens

844
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: with Gerald Everett's injury status this week. If he is out,

845
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: that obviously means the rest of these tight ends are

846
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: going to have to step it up, including mister Nick Vannette.

847
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I think they will. And this Packers

848
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: run defense plan, literally they play like the whitest nine

849
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 2: you could possibly play.

850
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen that.

851
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: So I have a feeling that the Chargers, especially in

852
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: the run game, we'll start to really officially get back

853
00:41:59,440 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: on track.

854
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited because they do give up a lot

855
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: of yards. So hopefully this is a game where this

856
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 1: is a game where you want to run Joshua Kelly

857
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: down the middle. Be aggressive with josh Kelly. Please hopefully

858
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: that works out. That'd be fun to watch.

859
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 3: All right, Well, we'll wrap up our conversation today.

860
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: This is obviously the first time that Justin Herbert and

861
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: Jordan Love will be squaring off. This is a twenty

862
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: twenty class reunion, if you will. Who knows what an

863
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: alternate universe would look like where Aaron Rodgers is still

864
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: a Packer quarterback and things like that. But Jordan Love

865
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: has started to get into more of a rhythm. He

866
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: had a hot start at the season. All those injuries

867
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: I think kind of affected him. But he's had his

868
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: three highest passing grades from Pro Football Focus over the

869
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: last three weeks. I think the Packers are starting to

870
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: figure out how to get him into a rhythm.

871
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: He's spreading the ball around a lot.

872
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: A lot of Packers receivers touched the football. They have

873
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: like four receivers that are very involved. They have the

874
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: two young tight ends that are very involved. So, Tyler,

875
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: what's kind of your thing that you're looking for in

876
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: regards to this quarterback between Justin Herbert and Jordan Love.

877
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: Really just what I think will inevitably separate these two

878
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: it and maybe what potentially did pre draft, and that's

879
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: that who takes care of the football in these instances.

880
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: And I think Jordan Love in college, for all this

881
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: spectacular place you can make, there was also as an

882
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: aspect of like gaming and just trying like a little

883
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: bit too much, you know. And I cannot say that

884
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 2: I've watched a whole lot of Packers football. I basically

885
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: only have to every four years, but now Jordan Love

886
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: is literally only played like this has been really his

887
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: only year. I just think that Herbert has just a

888
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 2: little bit more in terms of, well maybe a lot

889
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: more in terms of both protecting the football and what

890
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: we saw of what he kind of started to get

891
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: back to against the Lions, which is that pressure to

892
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: sack Ray being so low. I believe they credited the

893
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 2: defense with getting twelve pressures on him, zero of them

894
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: were converted to sacks. Like he looked tremendous there, And

895
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: I just think that maturity and the processing. I think

896
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 2: that's what separates these if I'm looking at a matchup.

897
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: I know they don't play each other specifically, but if

898
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this matchup and what am I specifically

899
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 2: looking for, it's the way Herbert is the better quarterback

900
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: in terms of taking care of the football and avoiding sacks.

901
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: I think it's just the consistency level. You know, I've

902
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: watched a couple of Packers game. I watched them play

903
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: the Falcons, and you know, I just I.

904
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 3: Like watching Matt Lafloor.

905
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: I think is a really underrated head coach, and I

906
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: think that you know, the Packers have some good players

907
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: out there, but just like the consistency aspect of things,

908
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: you look at how Jordan Love manages pressure, how he

909
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: is able to get out of the pocket or not.

910
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: You know, obviously when they design chances for him to

911
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: get out of the pocket, he's he throws a beautiful ball,

912
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: He's got great arm talent. But if you can just

913
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: muddy the pocket around him, I think that's obviously where

914
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: you I mean, that's in general, right, but specifically this

915
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: week against Jordan Love. You know, his footwork, his arm

916
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: mechanics just kind of tend to get out of whack

917
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: if you're if you get guys around him. So to me,

918
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: this is like, you know, a big game for Otito

919
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: Agonia to contribute as a pass rusher, Sebastian Joseph Day

920
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: to contribute as a pass rusher. Nick Williams has had

921
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: some good moments just from like a push to pocket perspective,

922
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: you know, and you want to get those bodies around

923
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: him as much as you possibly can and allow the

924
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: ad rushers to turn the corner as long as you

925
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: can keep him in the pocket. I think that's really

926
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: the key thing, but just the consistency aspect of things

927
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: like Herbert, you know what you're getting relatively speaking on

928
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: like every single play, whereas Jordan Love still has that

929
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: this is his first year starting kind of vibe to

930
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: him where he can get a little chaotic at times,

931
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: and I think if the Chargers can bring some of

932
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: that chaos out, we could be looking at, you know,

933
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: maybe like an interception in a strip sack kind of performance.

934
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: Maybe two interceptions.

935
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, that might be a little bit rich,

936
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: but this could be a game where the Chargers defense

937
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: creates some turnovers which could really help them kind of

938
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: erase the memory a little bit from what happened this

939
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: past week against Alliance.

940
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: It's interesting looking at Jordan Love's like game by game,

941
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: he only has three games this season where he didn't

942
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: throw an interception. But then you it's interesting because then

943
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 2: you look at his turnover worthy play rate and he's

944
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: one of the best at avoiding turnover worthy plays. So

945
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 2: I am very curious what that means in terms of

946
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: the film and the production. Maybe you've seen something different

947
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: where like maybe lafleor it just makes has like ninety

948
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: percent of it is all very easy easy stuff for him.

949
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: So the volume is there where he can avoid the

950
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: turnover worthy plays. But then when it's time for Jordan

951
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: Love to go be a quarterback and make the quarterback

952
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: he plays and do the quarterback he things, that's where

953
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: he gets into trouble. I don't know, Packers fans, if

954
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: you're listening, let me know in the comments, drive up

955
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: the engagement. Tell me I'm wrong. But hey, I at

956
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: least pointed out the fact that, Okay, I do have

957
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: to admit his turnover worthy play rate was actually impressive

958
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: and it's actually better than Herberts.

959
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a surprise looking at the numbers. But

960
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: I think the thing with Jordan Love where he got

961
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: a little bit of a rough patch, I think, you know,

962
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: he does have some confidence right now. He had five

963
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: big time throws according to PFF this past week, so

964
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: to Justin Herbert for what it's worth. That's the thing

965
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: with just with Jordan Love is is if he's playing confident,

966
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: like he's gonna trust his arm and he's gonna throw

967
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: these passes into really tight windows, and if he's on it.

968
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: Like those throws will be consistent.

969
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: The Packers receivers, too, are very young they've been they've

970
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: been prone to some drop issues this season, so you know,

971
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: this past weekend was a good game from the from

972
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: the Packers receiving corp. They didn't drop many passes and

973
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: obviously it resulted in one of Jordan Love's best performances.

974
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: So if you've been listening to our show for a

975
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: long time, obviously remember our guy Jason Valier who started

976
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: the podcast with us. He wanted the Charges to draft

977
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: the draft Jordan Love at six that year.

978
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: So this is this is a fun guilty of the

979
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 3: Charge game. Man.

980
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see what happens. Obviously, we're all very

981
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: happy with Justin Herbert and the way that he has

982
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: panned out. But this is the first time, maybe only

983
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: the last time that Justin Herbert and Jordan Love will matchup.

984
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: People see what happens in Green Bay with mister Jordan Love.

985
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: But it's a fun narrative game, obviously fun to revisit

986
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: some some draft stock. Shout out to Jason. I don't

987
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: know if he's going to be listening or not, but

988
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: that was a fun, fun draft narrative in our first

989
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: year covering this team, So it should be.

990
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: A lot of fun.

991
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, some mich has changed since twenty nineteen. When they

992
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: last matched up. It was Mike Williams first one hundred

993
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: yard game, Shane Seikin's first game as a play caller,

994
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: and of course Philip Rivers was the quarterback. So a

995
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: lot has changed since then. So who knows what will

996
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: happen the next four years.

997
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Chargers win a different stadium at

998
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: that point. Demante Adams, Aaron Rodgers were on the Packers.

999
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb. Yeah, it's really shows that the NFL really

1000
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: is not for long at certain times. So Tyler, any

1001
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: final thoughts before we head out for today, Get it done.

1002
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: Break the streak of two two two two two. You know,

1003
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: wo women, women lotsas women, lotos, go get a win,

1004
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: and I think that you feel better about that. That

1005
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: is still three of your lost four that are wins.

1006
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: And then and you're coming back in your facing the Ravens.

1007
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: So I'm not trying to look ahead to the Ravens.

1008
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: This is a tough game, but I'm really hoping they

1009
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: go win. I'm hoping that everyone the Packers are a

1010
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 2: very average team unfortunately that you look at really anything

1011
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: and it's like they're thirteenth to eighteenth in every category

1012
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: you look at for the most part, So I think

1013
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: the Chargers both sides of the ball should look better. Well,

1014
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: I think one side of the ball should look better.

1015
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: I think the offense will be just fine, and I

1016
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: think they win. So really that's my final thoughts. And

1017
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: I hope they win because I love coming on here

1018
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: and talking about wins Man. It is way more fun.

1019
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: But we'll be here if they lose either way, or

1020
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: at least I'll be here.

1021
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: It is way more fun to talk about wins I

1022
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: will be watching this game on a cruise ship, so

1023
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: I will not be on this channel. Next week, Tyler

1024
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: will be here, will be joined by a guest that

1025
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: is to be determined to talk about this Packers game

1026
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: and preview a little bit of the Ravens game as well,

1027
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: and then I'll be back after Thanksgiving to breakdown that

1028
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: Ravens game.

1029
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 3: So it should be a lot of fun. I'm excited

1030
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 3: for this one.

1031
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm always excited for the games, obviously, but there's some

1032
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: really fun individual matchups that I can't wait to watch

1033
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: on tape. And you know, it should be interesting to

1034
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: see how this team responds. You know, the Chargers have

1035
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: done a pretty good job recently of being backed into

1036
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: a corner and then responding in a positive way, so

1037
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: hopefully that trend continues this week. All right, guys, That's

1038
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: going to do it for us, make sure like the

1039
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: video comment subscribe. All that good stuff really does continue

1040
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: to help grow the show. Go throw one of those

1041
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: over on our own channel to get these charge podcasts

1042
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: as well. I appreciate Eddie Olvera and Greg Kimp for

1043
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 1: producing today's show.

1044
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 3: That's going to do It for Us. As always, full

1045
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: time