1 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back another edition of the 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra podcast. 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 2: Hey it's Thursday morning. Now it's November eleventh. 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: I say that with such an anticipatory tone because that 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: means we got week eleven just about forty eight hours way. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: Or alternate view, if you believe in mactionin we're already 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: underway and the ram Noodle Express is already underway this week, 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: and we're already one to oh this week, and it 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: just feels good. Can we just celebrate the good times? 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: I feel like we as a show do that plenty, 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: but maybe we as a society do not. So that's 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: my contribution this morning. I said what I said. I 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: hope you heard every word. This is a mail bag. 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: It is an ultra successful mail bag. These are our 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: most popular podcast episodes for obvious reasons, because these are 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: the episodes that are podcast exclusive. Every Tuesday morning, Every 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Thursday morning, you can hit me up at Late Kick 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Josh on Twitter and Instagram submit questions. We deliver as 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: many answer as possible. Here, of course goes without saying 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: at this point, but I'm going to anyway, all the 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: things you would want in a college football podcast, None 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: of the stuff you don't want in a college football podcast. 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: It's been a while since. 24 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: I sort of gave the ethos of the show, so 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: sometimes I have to clarify because I know, sometimes you 26 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: guys get off the beaten path, or maybe you get 27 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: on the main roads, you know, the roads we grew 28 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: up watching, and you find stuff laced throughout the programming 29 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: that you're really not interested in, or maybe you just 30 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: outright are turned off by none of that. Here, you're safe. 31 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: It's a safe space. These are safe spaces you can 32 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: actually believe in. So let's dive into just some college 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: football and maybe a pinch extra, but the good kind 34 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: of extra. This morning, we got a lot of good 35 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: stuff here. We got some Dan Mullen stuff about some 36 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: job comparison and whether he will or won't be back, 37 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: and if he isn't backed, then what kind of job 38 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: is Florida. I'm gonna get to that. I'm gonna lead 39 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: it off in just a second with that. But Jeremy 40 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: asked a question that I'm gonna bump right to the 41 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: front of the queue because it won't take long to answer. 42 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: But it's interesting, and I never knew that anyone picked 43 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: up on this, But I'll read his question and I'll 44 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: give you the answer. He said, why do you always 45 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: say we even though it's a solo show? Example? We 46 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: talked about this example. We are headed to Waco, Texas 47 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: for the Renaissance Tour Saturday. Is there a version of 48 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: the show with a co host that I'm missing? Or 49 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: is there a reason why you keep saying we instead 50 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: of I? Jeremy, these are very good observational skills. Yes, 51 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: I do say we, and there's a simple reason for it. 52 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: The next show that I truly execute solo will be 53 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: the first show that I've ever executed solo. The way 54 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: that I think about that and the way I learned 55 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: it a long time ago by observing people way better 56 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: than me who do this is I fail, we succeed. 57 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: That's teamwork, It's what that is. But in this particular industry, 58 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: just because you don't see them doesn't. 59 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: Mean they're not there. I know. 60 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: We joke around sometimes about director Colin and some of 61 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: you like to ask, is that even a real person? 62 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: And I'll play back and forth with you. Yeah, he 63 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: is a real person. He is very real. Producer Jesse, 64 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: we just got him on board. He is very real producer. 65 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: Jordan who I will send this file to right after 66 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: I get done recording. 67 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: He is very real. 68 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: They do stuff that I neither have the time to 69 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: do nor have the technical proficiency to do. Combine that 70 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: with aj who I've rarely mentioned on this show, but 71 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: who does a whole lot for the show via our 72 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: social media channels twenty four to seven Sports, and also 73 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: really doing a lot for me personally, even though it's 74 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: not his job. There's not an episode of this podcast 75 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: or an episode of Late Kick Live that ever would 76 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: have had a prayer of getting off the ground if 77 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: not for those folks. And so it's never I. 78 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: It's we. 79 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Good quote that I learned to live life by professionally 80 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: and personally a long time ago, is I fail, we succeed. 81 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: And that means number one, if you try and do 82 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: it on your own, then you'll fail, Whereas if you 83 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: utilize the people around you and let them help you 84 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: because they want to, especially in this case, then you 85 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: can succeed. But also it's a way that I can 86 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: tell the coaches that are gonna make it. One of 87 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: the hallmarks of listening to successful people, coaches and otherwise 88 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: is that's how they talk when something's going well, they 89 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: deflect praise around the entire organization we we when something 90 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: goes terribly wrong, they consolidate the blame. 91 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: I Nick Saban's the best in the business at this. 92 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: We do this, we do that, we did this, we 93 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: did that. But then when they lose, I've got to 94 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: do something. I've got to do this, I've got to 95 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: do that. It's leadership. You want to be in charge, 96 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: you want to be the head coach, you want your 97 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: name to be in the title of the show. Then 98 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: that comes with additional responsibility that not everyone else has 99 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: to incur. But also at its core, the reason I 100 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: say we so much and half the time this is 101 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 1: the context, is because of the way that we mapped 102 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: the show out a long time ago. There's the week. 103 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: The way we mapped the show out a long time 104 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: ago is I modeled it after the same thing I 105 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: would do every day. And I've told this story many times. 106 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to retell it this morning. But I 107 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: used to go to lunch back when I worked at 108 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: the Fabric House, and I would go over to Clearview 109 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: Barbecue and I would eat with buddies. And you know, 110 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: we've talked about college football, and I just kept that 111 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: as a vision of how a show should sound, and 112 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna host solo one day. It's 113 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: been the way that I wanted to do it for 114 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: a while, but I realized you still got to have 115 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: the community dynamic, and there's no reason you have to 116 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: sacrifice that. Just because you happen to be the one 117 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: sitting at the desk, and just because you happen to 118 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 1: have one microphone in here for you, that doesn't mean 119 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: that the audience is not a part of the show. 120 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: It is your show. If you'll notice, the rest of 121 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: this podcast will consist of you bringing the questions. If 122 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: you'll notice, the reason we have Academy Sports and Outdoors 123 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: on board is because you keep patronizing them and going 124 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: above and beyond to help out the show, because you 125 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: feel a sense of ownership to it, which you should, 126 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: because it is your show. Those sorts of things don't 127 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: happen if it's I, It happens if it's we. So again, 128 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: as I tell you every week, I appreciate it. But Jeremy, 129 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: to answer the question, it's very intentional when I say that, 130 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: that's not just a random choice of words that I 131 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: don't choose until I arrive at it mid sentence. Yes, 132 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: it is we and Jeremy, FYI, you are included in 133 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: we alrighty, some football stuff to talk about here. Got 134 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: a couple of questions. I'm going to combine them into one. 135 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: First off, it was early, that's the name. He did 136 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: get it in very early. So that's why he gets 137 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: to lead us off here. He said, will Dan Mullin 138 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: be the head coach next year? If they went out 139 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: talking obviously about Florida head coach Dan Mullin here and 140 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: I tend to lean yes. Their remaining schedule for those 141 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: unfamiliar it is Samford and then they got Missouri and FSU. 142 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: I think that's an order. I clearly don't have it 143 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: pulled up in front of me. Look, here's where I am. 144 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: Where I am until I know otherwise. Is I've got 145 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: to believe if he made those moves the other night, 146 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: firing the assistant coaches, clearly we have to believe that 147 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: that was precipitated by him being told he's got to 148 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: do something now. Normally, when that's the context, the context 149 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: is you need to do something or else it's you, 150 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: and so by default him making those moves at least 151 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: temporarily staves off whatever acts was immediately going to come 152 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: down on him. Now early, the question is, if he 153 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: wins the remainder of his games this year, is he 154 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: going to be fired? Well, the only way that he 155 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: wins the remainder of his games and then is fired 156 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: anyway is if it's imminent, and that means if it's 157 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: already been decided right now, or to put a better 158 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: point on it, if we get to the end of 159 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: the year, we end up saying something like, well, in retrospect, 160 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: we didn't know it at the time, but after that 161 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: South Carolina loss, his fate was sealed. Turns out it 162 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: didn't matter what he did the rest of the year. 163 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: Now do we believe that's the current reality? The reason 164 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: logic would tell me no is because he just made 165 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: staff moves. And like I said, normally, staff moves are 166 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: born out of someone warning you you better do something 167 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: or else it's you. And so if you've done the something, normally, 168 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: if you do everything right from there on out, you 169 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: don't get in trouble. You may have to, you know, 170 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: do better in the future, but maybe you don't get 171 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: outright fired. 172 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: So early my tentative, and it's very tentative. I have 173 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: no strong feeling on this. 174 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: My tentative feel is if they were to go three 175 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: and zero and win the remainder of their games, which 176 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: they'll be favored in, then yeah, I think he'd be back. Certainly, 177 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: not a lot of confidence, as you can tell in 178 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: the tone of my voice. I also don't endorse that. 179 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: That is not my personal feel about how Florida should 180 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: handle things. There's a point of no return that you 181 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: get to, or at least a point of very diminishing returns, 182 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 1: and I think Florida's past that point now, which leads 183 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: us to Hughes question, and he said, at what point 184 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: is a complete overhaul required at Florida. Mullin has put 185 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: a bandage on the issue. But is that enough or 186 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: is it just pushing a tough decision further down the road. 187 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: That's it, bullseye, that's what's happening right now. If you 188 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: do allow Mullin to continue there, that's what you're doing. 189 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: You're just pushing a decision that's going to have to 190 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: be made further down the road. As I've stayed it 191 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: many times during this process. Those of you who listen 192 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: to the podcast or have watched the show for any 193 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: length of time. No, I don't do the hot seat stuff. 194 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: It's not my thing. When jobs are open, I talk 195 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: about them a lot. I am not a fan leading 196 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: up to it of calling for people's jobs, just not 197 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: a fan of it. Just because you're a coach and 198 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: you make a lot of money doesn't immunize you in 199 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: my opinion, from that personal philosophy I have, I don't 200 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: like calling for people's jobs. So the only time I 201 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: do it in sports, college football included, is when I 202 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: think we have reached a point where there is no 203 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: more ability to solve the issue or salvage the situation. 204 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: I think we're there at Florida. Clearly, my opinion on 205 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: this has shifted just in the last few weeks. Up 206 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: until two or three weeks ago, I was on the 207 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: other side of this only because, as I tell you 208 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: a lot, I'll be the last person in all likelihood 209 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: to call for a change, because I always hang on 210 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: until the very very very end till I can clearly 211 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: tell Nope, there's no way this gets salvaged. Well, even 212 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm there now, I don't think it gets salvaged. So 213 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: at that point I adopt thee what will be done 214 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: eventually needs to be done immediately sort of mentality and 215 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: hughes asking at what point is the complete overhaul required? Well, 216 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: here's the catch twenty two. Even though I'm calling for 217 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: change there, I don't think a complete overhaul is needed 218 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: these major programs. More times than not, what it actually 219 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: is is not a boat in complete disrepair that has 220 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: to be towed into port or else it's going to 221 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: sync to the bottom of the lake in five minutes. 222 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: What it normally is is it is a very impressive 223 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: looking boat that has sprung a couple of weeks. But 224 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: what can happen is a seasoned, trained crew can fix 225 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: the leaks as they're out over the open water. I 226 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: had a coaching buddy put it to me that way 227 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: the other day. So everyone thinks that what a rebuild 228 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: is is completely taking it into port and putting it 229 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: out a commission for six months and hammering away and 230 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: sawing away, and then you take it back out. That's 231 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: not the way it works. Because they make you play 232 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: a season every year. They make you play a game 233 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: every seven days or every fourteen days maybe if you're 234 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: lucky enough to have a bye week. But also by 235 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: the benefit of having the immense resources that a Florida 236 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: has or an LSU has. You have probably built a product, 237 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: even with a coach that you just fired, that's good 238 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: enough to stay afloat. If you bring the right crew 239 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: in to repair it, they'll be able to do it 240 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: even out over the open water. So, Hugh, you asked, 241 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: when is a complete overhaul necessary? From a staffing perspective, 242 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: the answer is, now, from a program perspective, the answer is, 243 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't think a complete overhaul is necessary. Florida is 244 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: not a disaster. It's just that Florida is not good 245 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: enough right now now to maintain status quote. But once 246 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: you get the right staff in there, if let's say 247 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: it that way, if you get the right staff in there, 248 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: that's not a complete ground up rebuild. It's not a 249 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: complete overhaul. It never should be. Next up, here's one 250 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: that's interesting. I've heard this expressed a few times in 251 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: a variety of different ways. The question is what can 252 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: I do to help make college game Day twenty four 253 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: to seven style come to fruition? And that is essentially asking, 254 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: will we ever have a morning, a Saturday morning, you know, 255 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: pregame show like game Day or the Fox pregame show. 256 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: And the answer is maybe I can tell you it's 257 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: been talked about. Can't go much further than that because 258 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: that is probably violating my contract. But it has been 259 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: talked about now, It's been talked about on two fronts. 260 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: To be clear, the question here was not about late kick. 261 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: The question here was about twenty four to seven, and 262 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: I make much more direct decisions regarding late kick than 263 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: I do the overall operational standards of twenty four to seven. 264 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: Having said that, immediately after I get done recording this, 265 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: I will then hop into a Zoom meeting that is 266 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: about operational standards for twenty four to seven sports. But 267 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: I won't do a lot of talk, and I'll sit 268 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: over there on mute and then they'll call on me 269 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: and I'll say ugh, and I'll unmute myself and I'll 270 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: say I'm good, and then i'll go back on mute 271 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: and complain. But look, here's what's been talked about. I 272 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: can tell you as much as I possibly can here. 273 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: And I don't know, Producer Jordan, maybe you'll have to 274 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: edit this out, but I would suggest you don't do it. 275 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: Don't let hashtag them get to you. Jordan be one 276 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: of hashtag gus. It's not one of hashtag them. And 277 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: so here's what I can tell you. What I can 278 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: tell you is there are some new things that are 279 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: in the developmental stage here that very very soon you 280 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: will see. So I would say we're about to roll 281 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: that off the assembly line. 282 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: Now. 283 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: Part of these, for lack of a much more fancy term, things, 284 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: will be the opportunity for some new ideas, some new 285 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: creative ideas, some new shows, some new programming, And it 286 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: has been discussed very much in the exploratory phase. Having 287 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: a Saturday morning pregame show kind of like you see 288 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: with college Game Day. Now, that is a lot more 289 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: easier to execute. All you really need is a place 290 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: to broad cast it from, and the technical ability to 291 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: broadcast it, and the equipment to broadcast it, and of 292 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: course the distribution channels. We have all those, So we 293 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: could do that tomorrow theoretically. So yes, to answer the 294 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: question that has been discussed, it's not gonna start next week, 295 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: but it has been discussed. But I can also tell 296 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: you on my front, it would be a little bit 297 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: harder to execute. But we've also talked about altering next 298 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: year's plan. So the Renaissance Tour this year has been great. 299 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: It's been wonderful, but it's been very much a trial 300 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: phase sort of thing. I've never done it where I've 301 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: branded it and where I've been on the road all 302 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: twelve weeks. Actually I have before, but it hasn't been 303 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: at the national level. So, as many of you guys know, 304 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: because I've talked to you about it in person, the 305 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: current way I do it like the way I'll do it. 306 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: This weekend, We're headed to Waco. I won't fly out 307 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: of here until Friday, and i'll get over there. I'm 308 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: gonna fly into Dallas, I'm gonna drive down to Waco, 309 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: and so we'll be there Friday night. We we even 310 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: though I'm flying solo, it is still we. We are 311 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: still traveling unless the federal government asks, in which case 312 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: it is very much I on that plane for legal reasons. 313 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: And I'll get there Friday night and we'll go to 314 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: the game and I'll be out of there by probably 315 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: seven thirty in the air on the way back to Nashville. 316 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: So I'm there for the game and I interact with 317 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: a lot of you guys, but there's no specific event 318 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: that we're having. Well, I think, and a lot of 319 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: people here think, and certain advertisers think. We could change 320 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: that this time next year. It could be that here 321 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: we are Thursday, I'm recording. As soon as I do this, 322 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: I'll hop on a plane come to your town, and 323 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: then Thursday night and or Friday night, we're having events 324 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: for listeners. We're having events for you guys, we're having well, 325 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: quite frankly, I don't know, because before I ever came 326 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: up with the finalized plan, I would get your input, 327 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: so you would probably have better ideas than i'd have. 328 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: Point being, there are a lot of things here that 329 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: are in the trial phase. I even consider the Renaissance 330 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: Tour in its trial phase, that will look a whole 331 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: lot different even this time twelve months from now. So 332 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: hanging there, Hank type, there are things coming that you 333 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: don't see yet. 334 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: All right. 335 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: Iceborg is up next. Not sure it's a legal name, 336 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: but it's still a very pretty name. Parents should be proud. Nonetheless, 337 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: Iceborg asks what would it take for a Texas A 338 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: and M team to make the playoff? Well, you know what, 339 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: let's dive into this together. I just pulled up the 340 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: playoff rankings, and here's what's funny about that. It also 341 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: is side by side with the AP rankings, and that 342 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: makes this the first time this week I have looked 343 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: at the AP rankings. 344 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: How about that, I. 345 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: Still see you guys, still got Cincinnati at number two. 346 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: You know what, God bless you, God blessed Cincinnati. I 347 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: got nothing against Cincinnati. I once saw the Eagles live 348 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, not the football team. I got nothing against them. 349 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: So anyway, let's take a look at the playoff rankings 350 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: right now. 351 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: Texas A and M. 352 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: Let's start because that's who the question is about. They 353 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: are at number eleven. Okay, so already they're the highest 354 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: ranked two loss team. They're at number eleven. You've got 355 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: Georgia and Bama at one to two. So I think 356 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: the first thing that A and M would need is 357 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: they need Georgia to just win out, because that inevitably 358 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: means Bama is I don't think it means Bama's in 359 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Some of you think a two lost Bama 360 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: is going to go. I think a lot of chaos 361 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: would have to happen for that. So let's say path 362 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: number one for A and M. They need Georgia to 363 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: win out. That knocks Alabama out. They probably just need 364 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: Oregon to lose a game out there. Pull for Utah 365 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: would be my suggestion. That's probably the best shot, and 366 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: Oregon may have to play them twice, and so that 367 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: would take out Oregon. I would also pull for Ohio 368 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: State because while that means the Buckeyes would absolutely be 369 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: in there with Georgia, that's only two guaranteed spots, but 370 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: it would also in the process knock Michigan out of 371 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: your way. Knock Michigan State out of your way. I 372 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: think that you would flat out make it in if 373 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: you won out over a one loss Notre Dame. So 374 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: I don't even think you have to worry about Notre 375 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: Dame as long as you win your games. So if 376 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: we assume Georgia wins out, and if we assume Ohio 377 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: State wins out, and of course we have to assume 378 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: for this matter, Texas A and m wins out. Currently 379 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: we got Georgia and Ohio State locked into the playoff. 380 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: We've knocked Oregon out of your way, We've knocked Michigan, 381 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: Michigan State out of your way. Oklahoma is at number eight. 382 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: Let's have them went out. That's gonna put the Sooners, 383 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: I think as the third locked team in the playoff, 384 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: and for Oklahoma to win out, it means they beat 385 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: one of the teams in front of you, Oklahoma State, 386 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: so they're out of the way. And so now we've 387 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: got three teams locked in. We've got Georgia, We've got 388 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: Ohio State, and we've got Oklahoma. The only two teams 389 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: remaining in front of you at that point are Notre 390 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: Dame at one loss and Cincinnati undefeated. Of course, it 391 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: would be best for you if Cincinnati just lost a game, 392 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: but I've got to be real. I think it's possible 393 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: if you were to go the rest of the way 394 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: and you win the SEC championship. I think a two 395 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: loss SEC champion Texas A and M with a win 396 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: over Alabama for example, and a win over Auburn and 397 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: a win over if they beat Ole Miss this weekend, 398 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: a top twenty Ole Miss team, I think they'd be 399 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: in over a one loss Notre Dame, and I think 400 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: they'd be in over an undefeated Cincinnati. And so that's 401 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: what you have to have happen. You got Georgia winning out, 402 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: you got Oregon losing a game, you got Ohio State 403 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: winning out, sincey I think can just be who they are. 404 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: But it would help you if they lost a game. 405 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: Michigan's taken care of Michigan, State's taken care of Oklahoma, 406 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: wins out Oklahoma, State's taken care of Notre Dame. I 407 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: think you're in over them. So there is a path there, 408 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: and all that really included. We're just favorites winning. That's 409 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: all that really included up until you get to Atlanta, 410 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: at which point you need to beat Georgia. Now that's 411 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: the hard part. I think the one thing I messed 412 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: up there is I said Georgia would need to beat 413 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: Alabama in the SEC title Game. No, Auburn would need 414 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: to beat Alabama in the Iron Bowl to get Bama 415 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: out of the way so you could go to Atlanta. 416 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: So that's probably the toughest hurdle because. 417 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: Everything else I mentioned that is just a favorite winning 418 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: a football game. Auburn won't be favored over Alabama although 419 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: they have beaten Bama the last two times they played 420 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: in Jordan Hare Stadium. Or maybe Arkansas beats them out 421 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: of nowhere and then it's. 422 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: A moot point. So that's what would have to happen. 423 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: It's a long shot, but it's not impossible, and I 424 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of chaos still left to happen. Also, 425 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: here's what could happen too. I didn't even mention this 426 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: what happens and this isn't your question, but I'm just 427 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: going to go down this road for a second. We're 428 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: close to big ten chaos. I don't know if you 429 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: guys realize that Ohio State is why at the moment, 430 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: but there's still a one loss team. What if Ohio 431 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 1: State loses? What if they just lose, not even this weekend? 432 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: What if Ohio State I'm gonna pull up the remainder 433 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: of their schedule right now. They've still got to play 434 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: number seven Michigan State. They've still got to play number 435 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: six Michigan. What happens if the Buckeys lose one of 436 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: those games, because in order the rest of the way, 437 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: they play perdue this weekend, they've got Michigan State next 438 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: week and then they go to Michigan to end the season. 439 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: If they lose one of those games, they're probably out. Probably, 440 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what the definite is out there, they're 441 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: probably out. 442 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: But also who does it put in? 443 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: Because I would imagine if Michigan State or Michigan beat them. Certainly, 444 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: if Michigan were to run the table the rest of 445 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: the way and beat Ohio State, the'd be in. But look, 446 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: Michigan is right around to pick them this week, maybe 447 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: even a one point favorite at Penn State. What if 448 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: Michigan loses and then beats Ohio State at the. 449 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: End of the year. My point is. 450 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: There is a bumper car scenario where everyone takes everyone 451 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: out in the Big Ten. And I talked about that 452 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: a month ago and people thought I was crazy. No, 453 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: the moment that Oregon beat Ohio State, this was in 454 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: play for the playoffs purposes. 455 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: This was in play. So I know this question started 456 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 2: with Texas A and. 457 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: M, but it ended up with what could happen in 458 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 1: the Big ten that could clear out a lot of 459 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: brush for a Cincinnati, for example. I just let me 460 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: go to a third point that you didn't ask about. 461 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: I think the Cincinnati path is still there. This is 462 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: just another example, this whole Big Ten chaos scenario. It's 463 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: another example. And while people may look at Cincinnati right 464 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: now at number five, I think they're at say, well, 465 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: their strength of schedule is not going to be able 466 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: to elevate them anymore. 467 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: They could be right where they need to be. It 468 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 2: could be they don't need to help themselves anymore. 469 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: It could simply be that there's going to be brush 470 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: ahead of them cleared out. That is always the path 471 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: for a G five team to begin with. And I'll 472 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: tell you what our path does. It takes us right 473 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: into this and I'll be right back. I got you 474 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: with that, I mean, I know I got you. Just 475 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: be real, just nod your head. Yes, you had no 476 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: idea that ad Read was coming. And I think we're 477 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: all better for it. I think we all learned a 478 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: lesson from that. All right, let's roll on here. What 479 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: is your favorite college football recruitment of all time? That's 480 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: got to be Ruben Foster for me, I was down 481 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: in Columbus, Georgia, and so Ruben Foster, who ended up 482 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: playing linebacker at Alabama, famously with an Auburn tattoo on 483 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: his arm. Ruben Foster initially played high school football in 484 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: Troop County, which is about thirty minutes north of Columbus, 485 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: about thirty minutes or. 486 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: So south of Atlanta. 487 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: It's a little bit closer to Columbus, but anyway, he's 488 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: playing in troop. Then he transfers to Auburn High School, 489 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 1: and I want to say he was already either committed 490 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: to Alabama or a heavy Alabama lean. Maybe I can't 491 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: remember exactly how that happened, but Alabama was thought to 492 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: be the leader, and he's a five star linebacker. 493 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: His film was hilacious. 494 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: His film still is some of the most violent, slash, 495 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: most incredible high school film I've ever seen. If you've 496 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: never seen Ruben Foster, just do yourself a favor, make 497 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: sure no one's looking at work, because you make get 498 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: in trouble for watching it. Pull up Ruben Foster high 499 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: School highlights. Just pull it up on huddle or YouTube 500 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. Just a complete and total assassin. People were 501 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: intimidated to play him. I remember seeing him play and 502 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: it was one of the only kids I ever saw 503 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: that you could tell, even on the surface, was mentally 504 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: impacting the opposing team. One of the only times I've 505 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: ever seen that, and I've covered some big football down 506 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: in Georgia. So anyway, Ruben Foster, he transfers over to 507 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: Auburn High School, and so there was this thought in 508 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: the Alabama community of one, oh, it doesn't matter Saban 509 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: got this or the second is well, you never know. 510 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: They're desperate down there at Auburn. It would be huge, 511 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: huge feather in their cap if the Auburn Tigers were 512 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: to pick up Ruben Foster. So then in July of 513 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, there was huge breaking news. Ruben Foster decommits 514 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: from Bama, flips to Auburn. And this is back in 515 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, and so it's coming off of Auburn's national 516 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: championship year two years before, and then Auburn had they've 517 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: sunk down to like a four lost team in twenty eleven. 518 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: But there's hope that they can right the ship. They 519 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: just got to get the right kids in the fold. 520 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: And so gene Chisicks still head coach at the time, 521 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: for a few more months out he gets Ruben Foster 522 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: to flip. Foster is getting the Auburn tattoo on the arm. 523 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: He's saying he's one hundred percent committed, best place for 524 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: me and my family, you know, the whole deal. And 525 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: so you go through the entirety of fall and Bama's 526 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: still putting together a really good class, but there's just this. 527 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: Thing that's gnawing at him. Ruben Foster. 528 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: There's the commitment to Auburn, but there's always a whisper 529 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: at every cracker barrel and every gas station in town. 530 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: There's a whisper, you know, Foster that we may not 531 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: be out of it with him. And I was hearing 532 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: it because I'm right down there on the Chattohoochie River, 533 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: so I'm close to both programs, and I'm hearing that. 534 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: And then signing day gets closer, and there are rumors 535 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: and it's the best kind because it adds some suspense 536 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: and intrigue to signing day. But also no one on 537 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: the outside. 538 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: Can understand it. This is where you can't be a casual. 539 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 2: You got to. 540 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: Understand how cutthroat SEC recruiting is. To understand that not 541 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: even getting the logo of the team you're currently committed 542 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: to tattooed on your body is enough to keep you committed. 543 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: At the eleventh hour, things just get crazy. So Reuben Foster, 544 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: the best I recall, he was on a visit. This 545 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: is crazy. Now, he was on a visit at Auburn 546 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: and there were some things that happened, and I don't 547 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: want to rehash this. Those of you who are close 548 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: to it, you know Auburn fans, Alabama fans, you probably 549 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: remember this. There was an incident with a player already 550 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: on Auburn's roster in Ruben Foster, and there were already 551 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: rumors that Foster was going to decommit, but it hadn't 552 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: happened yet. 553 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: And so I am. 554 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: I am hawking the message boards on this particular night 555 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: because we were getting close to signing day. I mean, 556 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: I love recruiting, and so we're getting close to signing day. 557 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: This is the hottest. 558 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: Rumor in recruiting. So I'm hawking the message boards. So 559 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: Foster is in town. He is in Auburn. I mean, 560 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this night, he is in Auburn. 561 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: Something goes sideways with one of the kids at Auburn. 562 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: I believe the initials there were rd, and so something 563 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: goes sideways. You can fill in the blanks, and Ruben 564 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: Foster bounces, he says see you, and he leaves Auburn. 565 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: About two and a half hours later, he's in Tuscaloosa. 566 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: This is all happening in one night, by the way, 567 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: not one weekend. One evening. 568 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: He's in Tascaloosa, and then the rumors really start to 569 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: fly that Reuben Foster is going to flip to Alabama, 570 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: and sure enough, when signing day arrived, not only does 571 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: he flip to Alabama, I want to say, he signed 572 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: his letter of intent wearing a straw hat in Auburn 573 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: High School with an Alabama logo on it. That was 574 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: one of my favorite recruitments to follow because it really 575 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: encapsulated what that rivalry had become. You got to understand, 576 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: now psychologically, Auburn watches Saban come in, he wins the 577 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: title in two thousand and nine. Then you've got the 578 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: Cam Newton twenty ten year, and Bama fans have to 579 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: watch Cam Newton and Auburn come from I think twenty 580 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: four to seven down or something like that. I was 581 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: at the game. They come from behind, they beat Alabama. 582 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: Then twenty eleven things start to go sideways for Auburn, 583 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: but then it looks like they're going to rectify it, 584 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: in part by poaching some of Alabama's class. Oh by 585 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: the way, a guy by the name of Harvey Updyke 586 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: comes along sometime in this span. In twenty eleven, poisons 587 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: the tumor's corner oaks, they die, and so you've got 588 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: this this thickness of hatred and disdain even within one 589 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: of the most passionate rivalries in college football, the likes 590 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: of which you've never seen. And this kid waltzes into 591 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: that environment and plays basically ping pong and goes back 592 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: and forth and then back again between growth programs. I 593 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: cannot emphasize enough what that did to the heartstrings of 594 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: fully grown adult males everywhere from muscle shoals or musholls 595 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: as the locals would call it, musholls, to mobile and 596 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: everywhere in between. It was a very very intense time, 597 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: to say the least, a very intense time in that rivalry. 598 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite recruitments. Hey, make sure to 599 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: do me one favor. Please, just one favor. It's all 600 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: I ask of you. Actually, it's like three of them, 601 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: so make sure you leave a five star review for 602 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: the podcast that helps. 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