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Speaker 2: Sports Radios Countdown to Kickoff, presented by Matt mg app. No,

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Speaker 2: we're live from your tailgame. Here's Brian No, former Penn

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Speaker 2: State All American, Rich Ornberger and FSR betting analyst Jared Smith.

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Speaker 3: Oh, what is going on?

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Speaker 1: Happy Saturday to you as listen, let's rip the band

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Speaker 1: aid off? No football today? I mean listen, who not

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Speaker 1: only today this weekend? You know, but uh, you know

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Speaker 1: we started at ground zero and we work our way up.

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Speaker 1: You know, we got the got the big game next week,

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Speaker 1: so looking forward to that. We've got Rich broadcasting in

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Speaker 1: a parking lot today. Huh, I getting crazy here today?

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Speaker 1: What's going on with you?

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Speaker 3: Rich? Let's get weird guys.

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Speaker 4: Uh Yeah, I am outside a local San Diego y

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Speaker 4: m c A waiting for tip off of eight and

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Speaker 4: under Children's basketball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the kids number. Yeah, yeah, the spreads, we're at

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Speaker 3: one and a half right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm taking my kids team on the money line.

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Speaker 1: There you go, like small underdog or small favorite. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if they're plus.

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Speaker 4: They're small, they're small dogs, so I got some value here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're both numbers and get a little more value there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen if I have to bail quickly after rapid fires,

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Speaker 4: because I'm gonna give them the pep speech, and I

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Speaker 4: think that's just what they need to get over the top.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Rich, are you coaching them or how

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Speaker 1: does this?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm just a dad in the crowd. They got

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Speaker 4: another dad who's got a kid on the team who's

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Speaker 4: really doing a nice job. And you know, it's funny

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Speaker 4: whether we're talking about the super Bowl, which is quickly

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Speaker 4: approaching even though there's no football this weekend lame, or

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Speaker 4: we're talking about kids basketball. It's amazing to watch, Like

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Speaker 4: the nerves, it's amazing, Like because I went to a

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl, I experienced the whole thing. I felt all

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Speaker 4: those feelings. And whether you're in a YMCA gym or

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Speaker 4: you're sitting in Lucas Oil Stadium and Madonna's playing the

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Speaker 4: halftime show and you're getting ready for the second half

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Speaker 4: against the Giants. It's amazing. Sports are sportsman, the nerves.

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Speaker 4: I had the same butterflies in my stomach playing football

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Speaker 4: at the highest level as I I do now sitting

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Speaker 4: in a parking lot waiting for tip off of my

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Speaker 4: kids basketball game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool, man, it's fun.

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Speaker 1: It's just out of your hands, right, There's nothing you

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Speaker 1: So I get it. I totally get it. Where you know,

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Speaker 1: it's within your control at least you're going on the field, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's a much different feeling. I get that totally.

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Speaker 3: It's cool.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I'm one of those parents who, you know,

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Speaker 4: I keep my mouth shut on the sideline and I

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Speaker 4: much from that standpoint. But man, the further I get

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Speaker 4: away from my playing career in the NFL, and the

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Speaker 4: more I get to see my kids grow up in sports,

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Speaker 4: or get to see how other you know, other families

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Speaker 4: how important all of this is and the reason why

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Speaker 4: football is so important to so many people and why

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Speaker 4: it feels weird when we have a weekend without football

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Speaker 4: for the first time in months and months and months.

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Speaker 4: It's because it's it's community building. Like you don't realize it,

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Speaker 4: but you know, even though you may be sitting somewhere

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Speaker 4: you don't really got a dog in this fight between

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Speaker 4: the Patriots and the Seahawks, you don't really care who wins,

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Speaker 4: you still oddly start choosing sides. You start paying this

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Speaker 3: Or nah, the.

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Speaker 4: Seahawks have to win because I haven't forgotten how much

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Speaker 4: I hated the Patriots during you know, the Evil Empire

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Speaker 3: It's it's community building and it's it's awesome.

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Speaker 4: So I do miss football this weekend, but I can't

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Speaker 4: wait for the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: I watched a basketball game last night, actually, Michigan. It

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Speaker 5: was it was a good game for a minute, and

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Speaker 5: a good game again, and then it wasn't a good game.

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Speaker 1: Over the last couple of minutes. But it's a good

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Speaker 1: game if you're on the over you know, the over

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Speaker 3: Bet Michigan two.

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Speaker 5: You're feeling pretty good about yourself, even though I didn't

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Speaker 5: think it was a great great spot for them, but

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Speaker 5: they got the job done. I think this is this

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Speaker 5: is the week for me where I start to hit

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Speaker 5: that wall where I'm like, wow, there's really not much

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Speaker 5: else to do for this Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of already prepped for it.

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Speaker 5: I already made a lot of bets, wrote a lot

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Speaker 5: of articles like and now it's the game still eight

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Speaker 5: days away, so what am I going to do now?

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Speaker 3: So this is usually the.

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Speaker 5: Week where I start to really get into college hoops

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Speaker 5: the game next Sunday, and then after that.

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Speaker 1: It really is college hoops mode.

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Speaker 5: I mean, then we got a six week sprint, you know,

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Speaker 5: definitely like a transition week for sure. This is the

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Speaker 5: that is on my screens for the first time in God,

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Speaker 5: it feels like it feels like, I know, we didn't

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Speaker 5: I don't know if that's for you too, because I

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Speaker 5: But for me, this is the week where I really

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, listen, you get way more into

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Speaker 1: hoops mode around now. I get it. Listen, I'm a

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Speaker 1: You're such in football mode for months and months and

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Speaker 1: so yeah, like I'm always in NBA mode, but it

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Speaker 1: bas ball around this time as well. But it's funny.

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Speaker 1: It's a phrase that Rich said a couple of minutes ago,

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Speaker 1: where he's describing you know, if you live in whatever

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Speaker 1: in the New England area, right, Like you don't have

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Speaker 1: a dog in the fight. It's funny because my ears

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Speaker 1: which is the New England Patriots. Does anyone on planet

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Speaker 6: for some reason, he likes the Patriots outright?

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Speaker 1: Does anybody like the Patriots? And that's one of the

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Speaker 1: I think that makes the Patriots more than live when

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Speaker 4: I walked into a room them at work, you know,

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Speaker 4: like laughter. And then these two you know, work buddies

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Speaker 4: they thought I was going to be upset. They're like,

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Speaker 4: any of that, And I'm like, oh no, dude, I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm I'm still figuring out if they have

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Speaker 4: you know, it's like you guys, I was kind of

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Speaker 3: Brian, when the whole world is going in one.

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Speaker 4: Direction, you do have to pop out a line for

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Speaker 3: And I think I.

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Speaker 4: Think there is this good feeling about going with the crowd, right,

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Speaker 4: you know when when you're I don't know, when you're

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Speaker 4: you want to go to on Saturday night, you know,

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Speaker 4: and you're you're looking at two sides of the same

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Speaker 4: and you see the club that you know is just

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Speaker 4: maybe you go to the popular club because you're thinking

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Speaker 4: to yourself like, well, well that's where everybody is and

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Speaker 4: ridiculed because I went over the Well, well maybe you're

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Speaker 4: missing something.

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Speaker 7: So I kind of always.

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Speaker 4: Think that way, like, let's let's try to I don't know,

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Speaker 4: steal man the Patriots argument, and I think one of

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Speaker 4: the best ways to do that is attack it from

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Speaker 4: the standpoint of And I know you hate this terminology, Brian,

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Speaker 4: but I'm gonna use it anyways.

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Speaker 8: Uhh.

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Speaker 4: When you are the underdog and you're being treated as

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Speaker 4: to feel like you're playing with house money. Now, now,

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Speaker 4: there's really no such thing as house money when it

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Speaker 4: comes to sports. I mean, ultimately, if the Seahawks beat

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Speaker 1: This time. We're going into what Super Bowl forty two.

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Speaker 11: Comes to Belichick, it matters, and it's never mattered before.

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Speaker 10: I think it's a croc.

435
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Speaker 1: I love that. I think it's a crock. That's right,

436
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: He's stuck the la it is. It's ridiculous. It doesn't

437
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 1: begin to make a shred of sense. Rich your best

438
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: cut out to talk about this. You know you played

439
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: for Belichick. What do you think about this?

440
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

441
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 4: Look, if you're a Hall of Fame voter and you

442
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,479
Speaker 4: left Bill Belichick off of a first ballot, you're not

443
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 4: taking some principled stand. You're just trying to reach out

444
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,199
Speaker 4: for attention, and I guess you'll have it if you

445
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 4: want it. This isn't a close call. This isn't like, Hey,

446
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 4: let's wait and see if he can make the Hall.

447
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 4: This is a coach with six Super Bowl titles as

448
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 4: a head coach, the most postseason wins in NFL history.

449
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 4: He's got three hundred and thirty three total wins, at

450
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 4: second all time. The entire purpose of the Hall of

451
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 4: Fame is to identify greatness and figures who define their era.

452
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 4: I mean, doesn't Belichick pass that criteria. I mean, let's

453
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 4: be honest about what a first ballot vote is supposed

454
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Speaker 4: to mean in the first place. I'm with Dan Graziano

455
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 4: on this. I think this is a crock. This isn't

456
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 4: a popularity contest. This isn't do we like him? Did

457
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,959
Speaker 4: he hurt my feelings? Do I want to make a

458
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 4: statement about, you know, the game or about myself?

459
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,239
Speaker 3: For the love of God, the discussion's been over for

460
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 3: a long time.

461
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick is a Hall of Famer, and he is

462
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Speaker 4: a first ballot Hall of Famer, whether he's in or not.

463
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 3: I mean, if your.

464
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 4: Argument is okay, we got to punish him somehow for

465
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 4: deflate Gate.

466
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 3: Or Spygate.

467
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 4: If you want to open up that Pandora's box, I

468
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 4: guess we're gonna have to rewrite the whole Hall of Fame.

469
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 4: I guess we're gonna have to go back and we're

470
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Speaker 4: gonna have to hold every single first ballot Hall of

471
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Speaker 4: Famer to the same criteria. Do you want to open

472
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 4: that can of worms? I mean, is this a purity test?

473
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 4: Or we are we debating greatness? Are we debating somebody

474
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,959
Speaker 4: who put their fingerprints on the game and irreparably changed it.

475
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 3: Whether you like him or not, that's not the debate.

476
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 4: Whether you loved every detail of his career or whether

477
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 4: you believe he could have done it without Tom Brady

478
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 4: or not. That's also not the debate because we're not

479
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 4: talking about coaches who played with replacement level talent in

480
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame ever. I mean, every single Hall

481
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 4: of Fame coach had great players, talented players who played

482
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Speaker 4: for them. That's the whole point of this is to

483
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 4: build dynasties to dominate. Bill Belichick was that, now, I

484
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 4: get it. There have been some postscripts to his NFL

485
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 4: career after Tom Brady left the Patriots, and there was

486
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 4: some weirdness there, and then you know the Jordan Hudson stuff,

487
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 4: and there's some weirdness there, and the clunky entrance into

488
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 4: college football head coaching, and there's been some weirdness there.

489
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 4: But all of that is complete fluff. That's not the

490
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 4: meat of this debate, and nobody should use any of

491
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 4: that against him in this debate. I think if you

492
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 4: have a vote, and when you put any other name

493
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: than Bill Belichick on the first ballot for that vote,

494
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 4: you should probably lose your vote because you're an idiot.

495
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's two factors I think at play here.

496
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 5: I think there is a because let's talk about this

497
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 5: from like an actual voting, like analytics perspective. There's fifty voters, right,

498
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 5: That's the way that the Hall of Fame is decided,

499
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 5: So everyone obviously has different opinions. Not all fifty people

500
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 5: are going to agree and have the same and I

501
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 5: guess vision of how to move forward. The issue that

502
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 5: I think is at play here is you have the politics.

503
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 5: There is absolutely a politicking effort that went on because

504
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 5: of the spygate into the playgate and all the off

505
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 5: field stuff that Rich and Brian are talking about, and

506
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 5: that is a reason why some of the people did

507
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 5: not vote for Bill. But then there is this Kansas

508
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 5: City Star columnist Vey Gregorian who came out and said

509
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 5: that had nothing to do with the reason why he

510
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 5: did not vote for Bill. The reason that he did

511
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 5: not vote for Bill Belichick is because he is only

512
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 5: allowed to vote for so many people, and there are

513
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 5: other people that are about to be ousted based off

514
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 5: of the way that the voting is, right, like you

515
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 5: have to beat You're only on the ballot for so

516
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 5: many years, and you only get so many votes each

517
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 5: person each year. And he just felt that because Bill

518
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 5: is probably gonna get in any ways, he's gonna look

519
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 5: at other people, So that to me and maybe he's lying.

520
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 7: Maybe he you know, maybe he's just.

521
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 5: Trying to cover his own ass.

522
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: It's a test and it's like, oh, well, yeah, yeah,

523
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: it could.

524
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 7: It could very I'm not taking that away.

525
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 5: He could very well be lying about the reason why

526
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 5: he didn't vote for Bill, But the reason he gave

527
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 5: publicly it does make sense, and he's he felt like

528
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 5: he was kind of handcuffed by the amount of people

529
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 5: he could vote for, and he wanted to worry about

530
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 5: some of the people who are about to be ousted

531
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 5: from the ballot because let's be honest, Bill's gonna get in.

532
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 5: It's an inevitability. So like, maybe that's a little bit

533
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 5: more of a nihilistic view of the Hall of Fame

534
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 5: voting process. But Brian, maybe there's an issue with the

535
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 5: actual process itself where the voters feel like and first

536
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 5: of all, why only fifty people in charge of like

537
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 5: the vote, Like we should open this up to a

538
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 5: much wider audience of NFL experts. Fifty people sounds very like,

539
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 5: very much like not enough people to be actually deciding

540
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 5: this because then you get these groups, right, these groups

541
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 5: of people, you get Bill Pollian, who forgets who he

542
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 5: even voted for and who was probably in charge of

543
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 5: this politicking effort to keep Bill out. So I think

544
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 5: we need to a change the voting process wide in

545
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 5: the scope and allow significantly more than fifty people.

546
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 7: To have this power.

547
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 5: And also we need to change the amount of people

548
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 5: that you can vote for because if this vague gregre

549
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 5: and I apologize about mispronouncing his first name, Vahi, I've

550
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 5: never seen that first name before. If this Kansas City

551
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 5: Star columnist feels that he can't vote for Bill, because

552
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 5: if he votes for Bill, that's one of his three votes,

553
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 5: and then someone else who's about to be off the

554
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 5: ballot might not get in who deserves to get in.

555
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 7: Like, it's just it feels like the process itself needs reform.

556
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 5: And then yes, the politicking is definitely an issue here.

557
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: Hey, really quick, Brian, I know you want to jump in.

558
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 4: I just have to respond to that and say, if

559
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 4: you're leaving Bill Belichick off of your ballot because he'll

560
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 4: get in any way, you're admitting you're not voting on merit,

561
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 4: You're voting on fear and strategy because somebody is going

562
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 4: to be left out and you're trying to spread the wealth.

563
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 4: I mean, so no Bill will get in later. Isn't

564
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 4: some noble stance for this Kansas City calmness. It's an

565
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: excuse to avoid making the obvious choice and eschewing.

566
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: The whole purpose of sports. Sports aren't always fair. The

567
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: results aren't always.

568
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 4: In your favor when you're going against better competition. So

569
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, other coaches, you're not Bill Belichick, so you're

570
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 4: out and he's in.

571
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: That's how sports works.

572
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 4: When the Super Bowl ends, there's gonna be one champion.

573
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: That's what makes Sports Special. It's either gonna be the

574
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: Seahawks or the Patriots. It's not gonna end in a tie.

575
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 4: It's not like the Seahawks will wait till next year

576
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 4: because the Patriots should win anyway, or vice versa.

577
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 3: Like, it's so dumb to use that as your debate this.

578
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 4: I mean, he's outed himself this Kansas City Colmnists outed

579
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 4: himself as not capable of owning a vote. I'm sorry

580
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 4: he should lose his vote because of that statement.

581
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you, because it's terrible logic. Where again,

582
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: there's prestige with being a first ballot Hall of Famer.

583
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: You're in a rarefied class. And to deny him for

584
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: that reason of well, like apply that to anything else

585
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: the MVP of a particular season. Well, this is the

586
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: last answer that so and so realistically has of winning

587
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: the award. So you're going to vote for him instead

588
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: of someone who's more deserving. That's dumb.

589
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 7: You should I think you're going to see that with

590
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 7: Stafford this year.

591
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 5: By the way, I will make a shot if that's

592
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 5: gonna happen over Drake may Well.

593
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: But I mean, listen, that's not the only reason that

594
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: no vote.

595
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 5: But I'm sure that if that is the reason, someone

596
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 5: might say it'd be like, well, you know, Stafford, you

597
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 5: know he's been around the block and he's never won

598
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 5: it before, right, right.

599
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: Like, well, that's not a reason to be it.

600
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 3: That's right. I'm with you.

601
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: Like, if someone does say that, terrible reasoning, awful reasoning.

602
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: It's about who's most deserving this season, and that's it.

603
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: It's not a career achievement award. It's nothing beyond this season.

604
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: And for the Hall of Fame, it's nothing beyond the

605
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: the resumes. Belichick's resume, is it hall of fame worthy?

606
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what what resume is hall of fame

607
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: worthy if he's not that. None, there's no resume hall

608
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: of fame worthy if it's not his. And let me

609
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: just say one thing about spygate, because I think that

610
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: we just hear that word and we're like, oh, yeah,

611
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: had cheaters, you know, tainted all that stuff, and it's like,

612
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: walk your way through that for a second. If you

613
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: go in the hot tub time machine. There were teams plural,

614
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: not just the Patriots who were busted for Spygate. The

615
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: league put out a memo of like, hey, yo, stop

616
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: doing that, and the Patriots were dumb enough to continue

617
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: doing it. I don't make excuses for them. It was

618
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: dumb for them to continue doing that. But ask yourself this,

619
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: If this was a huge advantage, like this is the

620
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: NFL's version of steroids or peds in baseball, do you

621
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: think the NFL would just casually put out a memo like, yo,

622
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: we're aware of this, just stop doing it. That's it,

623
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: That's all they did. If this is the ultimate advantage,

624
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: they are doing way more than the equivalent of, you know,

625
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: like the police department, like yo, we know you're speeding

626
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: on the local highway, like we've got radar guns, just stop. Okay,

627
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: this is your warning, Like they would be all over it.

628
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: If this was the ultimate advantage, the NFL never was.

629
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: So it never was the ultimate advantage. It's just built

630
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: up to be something like that. I think it's completely

631
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: overblown and totally overhyped. The Patriots are dumb for looking

632
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: for any small advantage when they were already warned to

633
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: stop doing it. So that was a dumb tactic that

634
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: they used. But to build this up to be the

635
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: ultimate advantage, it never was. It's just a wives tale.

636
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: But people run with that because they want to believe it.

637
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

638
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know what, Brian and Jared, I know,

639
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 4: like logically, when we have this conversation, this all makes

640
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 4: a whole lot of sense, right. I think there's another

641
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: problem with Hall of Fame voting. Is this happens in

642
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: the privacy of some you know, old man's study where

643
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: you know, he closes the door to his den and

644
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: he's got the ticking clock on the wood paneled walled office,

645
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 4: and he's looking over different names, and he's remembering things

646
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: through his perspective. And you know, I think what happens

647
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 4: when you leave it in the hands of so few

648
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Speaker 4: voters and you say, Bill Belichick, Well, if that if

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Speaker 4: the utterance of that name, somehow, maybe maybe some of

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Speaker 4: these writers in some of these voters, and some of

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Speaker 4: these broadcasters, and some of these people who have covered

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Speaker 4: the game and have had impact on this game and

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Speaker 4: who are Pro Football Hall of Fame voters have had

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Speaker 4: really bad personal interactions.

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Speaker 3: With Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't kind and charitable to everybody during the course

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Speaker 4: of his coaching career. He was there to win and

658
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Speaker 4: and really win at all costs. That's the way it

659
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Speaker 4: felt when we were there. It felt when I was

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Speaker 4: sitting in those team meeting rooms with Bill Belichick, you

661
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Speaker 4: better be willing to lay everything on the line because

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Speaker 4: the man who's in front of the team talking to you,

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Speaker 4: he certainly is like it felt like he would do

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Speaker 4: anything to win. So, if you were a writer who

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Speaker 4: was covering the Patriots during that era and you have

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Speaker 4: some chance encounters or many encounters with Bill Belichick, do

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Speaker 4: you think you walked away with like great feelings about

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Speaker 4: those interactions? My guess is no, because you were getting

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Speaker 4: in the way. You're the media, you're the enemy. You're

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Speaker 4: the one who's trying to peel back the layers of

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Speaker 4: the onion and tell everyone how the stew is made.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't want that get out of my stew. That's

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Speaker 4: why he was so frosty to the media for so long.

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Speaker 4: And so that's the other problem about this. People are

675
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Speaker 4: locking themselves in their church spires and they're going over

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Speaker 4: their notes and they're making these these proclamations after you know,

677
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Speaker 4: the papal smoke is let out from the chimney stack,

678
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 4: like everybody's going to accept it. Well, no, not everybody's

679
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: going to accept your perspective on this because maybe you

680
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Speaker 4: your perspective has been tainted by personal interaction. I do

681
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Speaker 4: feel like there was some axe grinding going on here,

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Speaker 4: and I think the Pro Football Hall of Fame, speaking

683
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Speaker 4: of putting out statements, I mean, they put out a

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Speaker 4: pretty strong statement to the voters, basically saying like, hey,

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Speaker 4: you know, we are going to look into how all

686
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 4: of this went down, and if we find any foul play,

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Speaker 4: if we find politicking behind the scenes against the candidacy

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Speaker 4: of one of our potential inductees, we may be like,

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Speaker 4: I'm reading between the lines. This isn't what the statement said,

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Speaker 4: but this is what the statement said, we are going

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Speaker 4: to take your vote away. So I'm very interested to

692
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Speaker 4: see if there's more fallout from this. I don't know

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Speaker 4: how popular Bill Belichick is or whether his name will

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Speaker 4: elicit that sort of response in terms of the vote removed,

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Speaker 4: but it is possible.

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Speaker 3: It is definitely possible.

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Speaker 12: Oh.

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Speaker 5: I think this Gregorian guy was governing his ass Okay,

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Speaker 5: I think he. I think he kind of caught win

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Speaker 5: that there was some some foul play.

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Speaker 1: Run a muck.

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Speaker 7: I mean, listen to this quote. Listen to this quote.

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Speaker 5: I went, I felt duty bound to vote for the

704
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 5: richly deserving seniors who most likely won't ever have a hearing. Again,

705
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 5: most senior candidates enter the pool, and fresh cases get

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Speaker 5: made for others.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Belichick is inevitable soon.

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Speaker 5: Was he like Fanos as it should be at the

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Speaker 5: risk of contradicting my own vote. Really, he shouldn't even

710
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Speaker 5: have to wait. I understand why people are offended. I mean,

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Speaker 5: this is like an all This is a masterclass in backtracking. Oh.

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Speaker 5: In the end, though, I felt more compelled by what

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Speaker 5: I perceived to be the last chances.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: This is not the Hall of last Chances.

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Speaker 7: It's not.

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Speaker 5: It's not the Hall of very great. It's not the

718
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Speaker 5: Hall of Good. It's not the Hall of Seniors. It's

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Speaker 5: not the Hall of I need to vote for this

720
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 5: guy now because he might not be in next year.

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Speaker 5: This is the Hall of Fame, and I the baseball

722
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 5: world has gotten this wrong for years. Someone didn't vote

723
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 5: for Marianna Rivera his first year.

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Speaker 1: Crazy, are you kidding me? Like the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 5: And I know, technically it is a gatekeeping operation because

726
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 5: it's you're keeping people out right what it is. But

727
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 5: there is also this negative connotation of gatekeeping where you

728
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 5: have these people that are holding on to this this

729
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 5: like pearl, this like you know, jewel, and they don't

730
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Speaker 5: want to give it up to anyone else.

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Speaker 7: And that's what this has become.

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Speaker 5: Like it's truly remarkable, the entire Hall of Fame process,

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Speaker 5: and now they have people coming out with a statement

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Speaker 5: about it. I've never seen a Hall of Fame come

735
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Speaker 5: out with a statement talking about impropriety with votes like that.

736
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Speaker 7: That's a first for me.

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Speaker 1: So this is a completely unprecedented situation. I'll say it's

738
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Speaker 1: super fast, Okay. The Patriots, because they were so successful,

739
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Speaker 1: it makes the cheating appear to be more impactful in

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Speaker 1: the minds of a lot of people, right, Like remember

741
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Speaker 1: how there is fake crowd noise, Like like the Colts

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Speaker 1: robusted for this, the Falcons might have done it. If

743
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots did it, it would be noise skate, you know.

744
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: I like huge advantage of it. The Patriots didn't build

745
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Speaker 1: an empire because of cheating. It's their success made cheating

746
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: appear to be more impactful than it really was in

747
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Speaker 1: the minds of a lot of people. Like that is

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Speaker 1: the bottom freaking line with the Patriots. These people just

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Speaker 1: want to believe like all they're just the by products

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Speaker 1: of cheating. They're No, they're not. Man, it's a bad take.

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Speaker 1: But that's my biggest problem with this whole thing is

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Speaker 1: people just try to shoehorn or like it's like a

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Speaker 1: Ah, yes, the platter. We each have picks. We pull

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Speaker 1: What's something you like?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, let's focus on the Super Bowl, right.

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Speaker 5: I know there's games going on today and this weekend,

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Speaker 5: and I want to take anything anything away from that,

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Speaker 5: but let's try to keep our eyes on the price

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Speaker 5: here as I get into the Super Bowl. Next Sunday,

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you a Trevion Henderson under sixteen and

791
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 5: a half rushing yards I think, I mean, you only

792
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 5: had three carries against the Broncos.

793
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Speaker 3: I think we have.

794
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 5: Seen the last of Henderson this year as kind of

795
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 5: a featured back in this offense. I don't really trust

796
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 5: him a whole lot. And keep an eye on the

797
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 5: Ernest Johnson Terrell Jennings. If those guys get activated off

798
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 5: the practice squad next week, that's kind of your indicator

799
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 5: that I don't think Hendersons can have a huge role

800
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 5: in this game, and he did last week.

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Speaker 1: So under sixteen and a half rushing yards, Travion.

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00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 5: Henderson my favorite under in this early prop stage year.

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Speaker 1: Alright, I like it a lot.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to college hoops. We got San

805
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 4: Diego State Utah State on Big CBS. They've been great

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00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 4: in Mountain West play, and obviously this is a little

807
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: bit of a homer pick, but I'm gonna take them

808
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 4: with the six and a half points they're being given

809
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 4: here at Utah State. This is gonna be the matchup

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00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 4: probably that decides the the Mountain West in the final

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Speaker 4: days or whatever we're going to call the Mountain West

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Speaker 4: here in the coming years, I don't know, but this

813
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 4: is this, This feels this feels like a good spot

814
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: for San Diego State. They've been shining this season and

815
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Speaker 4: playing well in conference play.

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Speaker 3: So give me the plus six and a half for State.

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00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: All right. You know, I'm gonna go to the NBA

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00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: over here. We got the Pelicans on a back to

819
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: back normally not good for them. It's not a good

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00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: back to back team, and you're at Philly. I like

821
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: how the Sixers have played this season, so I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go on the adjusted line. Not crazy. I'll lay the

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00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: extra juice minus one eighteen right now if you go

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00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: with Sixers minus nine and night half. So I like

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00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: staying under that ten. I've actually bet it at ten already,

826
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: but I like going under ten for the purposes of

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Speaker 1: this platter. Give me the Sixers minus nine and a

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Speaker 1: half today hosting the Pedals.

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00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 5: Plus five seventy three Trevon Hafen under six and a

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00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 5: half rush yard San Diego Space plus six and a

831
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 5: half on the spread, Sixers minus nine and a half.

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Speaker 5: Nice little free sport cross sport form, very nice, and

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Speaker 5: I like if we hit our hoops bets today It's like,

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Speaker 5: all right, Jared, you better.

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Speaker 1: Come through on the Super Bowl, right, all right? Is

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Speaker 1: to is this a big concern, a small concern, or

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Speaker 1: no concern at all? Right, we'll get to that in

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Speaker 1: He was the only touchdown scorer. Well, I take that back,

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00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: if you went Drake May in the AFC Title Game,

864
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: you would have gotten your money back. Huh how about that?

865
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: But if you go Drake May in the Super Bowl,

866
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe it gets in the pay the

867
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: first guy. But he's been held out of practice due

868
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: to illness and a shoulder issue. So I ask both

869
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: of you, and I will ask myself as well. Is

870
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: this shoulder injury of Drake May? Is that a big concern,

871
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: a little concern or no concern in your mind? What

872
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: would you say to that, Rich, I.

873
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 4: Would say, it's, uh, it's a concern. I don't I

874
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 4: don't think it's a big concern. I don't think it's uh.

875
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: Got you go little concern?

876
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah that was the choice. I was looking

877
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: for a little concern.

878
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 4: Now I am a little concerned that Drake May is

879
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 4: going to be hampered by this injury the same way

880
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 4: for the NFC Championship game, I was worried about Sam

881
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: Darnold's viability and health with the oblique strain heading.

882
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: Into that matchup.

883
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 4: You know, when you hear a quarterback is hurt, you

884
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 4: you start to think to yourself like, oh boy, for

885
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 4: a couple of different reasons. One, obviously, if you're pulling

886
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 4: for the Patriots, you know, or you've got money on

887
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 4: the Patriots, that's a that's a good old sweat right there.

888
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 4: Because Drake May has been wildly efficient as a quarterback.

889
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 4: And I think the Patriots are a type of team

890
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: that can win two different types of battles. They can

891
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 4: certainly win the rock fight, right you know, trust their

892
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 4: ground game, trust their defense to win games, and we've

893
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 4: seen that this season. They can also win a track meet.

894
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 4: And Drake May is a big reason why his accuracy

895
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 4: downfield with the football against some elite coverage units to

896
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 4: this season, He's really placed the ball well on deep

897
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 4: routes and it threatens teams to have to, you know,

898
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 4: cover and play deeper shells, and it avails some opportunities underneath.

899
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: So if his shoulder isn't right, and he can't quite

900
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 4: put the touch on the football that he needs to

901
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 4: that can be a big factor in this game. So,

902
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 4: you know, considering there has been very little information leaking

903
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 4: out of Patriots camp as to exactly how unhealthy or

904
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: healthy he is at this point, there's been very little

905
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: media opportunity to see him throw, you know, since seeing him,

906
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 4: you know, finish off the Denver Broncos in the snow.

907
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 4: It's it's it's still it registers on my mind as

908
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 4: a little concerning heading into this matchup.

909
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 7: Not much concern for me, I think.

910
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 5: I think you have to ask yourself the question of

911
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 5: who does this news benefit the most, Like there's no

912
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 5: game this week, it's an first of all, the illness

913
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 5: is of zero concern, right right, yeah, right, the shoulder injury,

914
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 5: I think they probably, like I'm sure every single player

915
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 5: rich can attest to this, Every single player on the roster,

916
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 5: even the guys on.

917
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: The practice squad are probably dealing.

918
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 5: With some kind of bruise or you know, discomfort at

919
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 5: this stage of the year where they if they had.

920
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 7: To be limited in practice, they could say, you know,

921
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 7: the elbows a little bit.

922
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take it easy on this one code.

923
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the mental like at this stage

924
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 5: of the year, this is week twenty two, like, the

925
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 5: mental reps matter a lot more to me than the

926
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 5: physical reps. These guys know exactly what they need to

927
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 5: do to be up for the game physically, and the

928
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 5: mental reps of the game plan are very important to me.

929
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 5: So if you were going to tell me Drake May,

930
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 5: you know, is in a you know, some kind of

931
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 5: you know, you have some kind of sleep disorder where

932
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 5: he can't focus properly on, you know, all the film

933
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 5: that we're making him watch, maybe that would would make

934
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 5: me a little bit more nervous about, you know, being

935
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 5: limited in practice.

936
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: With an illness and a shoulder ailment a week before

937
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: the game.

938
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 5: So this kind of feels like a little grand standing

939
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 5: from Mike Rabel, maybe.

940
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 7: A little bit of a curveball. Hey, let's throw everyone

941
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 7: off the set. Let's say that Drake's a little bit.

942
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 5: Banged up, and let's kind of push people away from

943
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 5: what really is happening behind the scenes. I don't have

944
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 5: a big concern about Drake May's physical status setting.

945
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: Into this game. Yeah, I would go little concern on

946
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: this one because listen, as soon as I heard this,

947
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, shoulder injury was going on here? You

948
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: know it's not this, you know Ac Sprain or he's

949
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: really trying to work through this rotator cuff thing. It

950
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: seems very very minor. So this is a very small concern.

951
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: And listen, with the extra time to get healthy for

952
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, I think that matters. And sometimes when

953
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: you have a bump or a bruise like this, it

954
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: can actually help you. It can actually lock you in

955
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more focus wise, So it could end

956
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: up being a good thing for Drake May. But I'd

957
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: be lying to you if I said it wasn't at

958
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: least a little concern. If you're talking throwing shoulder and

959
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: it's like, WHOA, how's this going to look? Exactly? I

960
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: had the same concerns, like Rich said, for Donald the

961
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: last two playoff games. The interesting thing is if Donald

962
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: was forced to do what he had to do against

963
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: the Rams, if he had to do that against the Niners,

964
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: how healthy was he. I don't think we'll ever know

965
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: the answer to that question. Right, it was a big

966
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker game and Darnald didn't have to do much.

967
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: He had to do a lot more against the Rams

968
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: if he had to do that a week prior, maybe

969
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: he's not as healthy.

970
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 7: I don't know.

971
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: We will never know the answer to that one, but

972
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: I will say about Drake May something I do know.

973
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of like Drake May, like eighty

974
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: six yards passing against the Broncos. And the one thing

975
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: that I will say heading into this game, if you

976
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: look back on these three playoff games for Drake May,

977
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: it's been bad weather in every game. The weather's gonna

978
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: be better on Super Bowl Sunday than any of the

979
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: playoff games. The first playoff game against the Chargers like

980
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 1: more mild weather. But you look at the last two

981
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: That game against the Texans, bad weather. They just showed

982
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: drable throughout the game, and he looked wetter and wetter

983
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: as the game went along, Right, like yeah, like a

984
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: little sprinkle in the hair. First quarter of like the

985
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, he is just drenched, is doused in water. Right,

986
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: It's like sleeping raining is a nasty game. The last

987
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: game is a blizzard in the second half, you know, Like,

988
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: so the weather in the Super Bowl will be much

989
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: much better. I think it's gonna make a difference for

990
00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: Drake May.

991
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: I think so too.

992
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 4: I mean, look, you know their QB, the Patriots young QB,

993
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 4: isn't just producing. He's producing in some of the most

994
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: repeatable ways, you know, leading the league with a completion rate,

995
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 4: and I think that is kind of an overrated stat

996
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: but only when it's not coupled with other things. And

997
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 4: and those other things are the efficiency statistics that Drake

998
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 4: May really shines in too. You know, so when he

999
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 4: does throw the ball downfield, he's efficient. He completes at

1000
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 4: a high rate downfield, when he's throwing intermediate routes, when

1001
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 4: he's throwing close to the line of scrimmage. The efficiency

1002
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 4: of Drake May is what's really remarkable.

1003
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1004
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 4: This isn't a guy who you know, is a ball

1005
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 4: carrying quarterback who throws it when he needs to and

1006
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 4: that's the reason why you know he's sprinkling it into

1007
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 4: his receiver's hands at a seventy percent rate. No, this guy,

1008
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 4: he's a pocket passer who also can escape and create

1009
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 4: outside the pocket. And I think better weather for a

1010
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 4: player like that, the better the results are going to be.

1011
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 4: Now that's going to be dependent obvious line obviously on

1012
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 4: how the Seattle Seahawks game plan him offensively. You know,

1013
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 4: if they're trying to take away the pass and they're

1014
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 4: going to allow the Patriots to run the ball a

1015
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 4: little bit, you know, maybe maybe we see a little

1016
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 4: bit more of the Patriots ground game. You know, if

1017
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 4: if you're going to tempt us with lighter boxes or

1018
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 4: smaller people on the field, even if we have two

1019
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 4: tight end or three tight end packages, well, if I'm

1020
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 4: New England, I'm going to be running the football. Yeah,

1021
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna test you defensively and see if

1022
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 4: you're you know, your safeties or your hybrid linebackers are

1023
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 4: going to be able to hold up against our run blocking, which,

1024
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 4: by the way, they're not an amazing run blocking team.

1025
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: But when you grate out the Patriots offensive line, they're

1026
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 4: they're they're right there in the top twelve.

1027
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 3: You know, So this is this is a team that's.

1028
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 4: Pretty complete, you know, the New England Patriots offensively.

1029
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 3: You know, they they're pretty complete.

1030
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 4: They're good pass blockers, they're good run blockers, they have

1031
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 4: good rushers. Drake may is efficient and he has a

1032
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 4: high completion percentage. And again, the better the weather, the

1033
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 4: better that offense will perform. And that's true for most

1034
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 4: offenses now in the NFL.

1035
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you go back and you watched, like especially

1036
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 5: the second half of the Broncos Patriots game, like Drake

1037
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 5: May is putting balls in the dirt and that's just

1038
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 5: not what he's done all year. And if you go

1039
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 5: back and look at the numbers, I mean, he is

1040
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 5: one of the most accurate quarterbacks maybe in like the

1041
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 5: history of the NFL in terms of some of this

1042
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 5: stuff like highest completion rate, fourth, highest catchable pass rate,

1043
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 5: lowest off target throw percentage.

1044
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: In the league this year.

1045
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 5: Like this is a guy that is making his first

1046
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 5: full season as the starting quarterback.

1047
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 7: And the Seahawks. One thing we know about the Seahawks

1048
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 7: their defense.

1049
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 5: They'll come at you with some really unique blitz packages,

1050
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 5: but they're safety structure, their secondary tends to be pretty stagnant.

1051
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 5: They play a very similar look at almost every night.

1052
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 5: They come at you with two high safeties, and they

1053
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 5: play a lot his own. So knowing that, I think

1054
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 5: it's gonna do two things. A. I don't think Drake

1055
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 5: May's legs are going to be as big of a

1056
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 5: factor in this game. I just when you're fair and

1057
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 5: we've talked about this before with Josh Allen against the Broncos. Right,

1058
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 5: you know, Denver plays a lot of man coverage, and

1059
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 5: that's you know, when you play man coverage, you leave

1060
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 5: yourself a little more vulnerable at a quarterback around Well,

1061
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 5: Seattle doesn't do that, So I think that's where maybe

1062
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 5: Drake May's leg's not gonna be as big of a

1063
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 5: factor in this game. But when you look at his

1064
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 5: ability to pick apart zone coverage, it is very impressive.

1065
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 5: Amongst quarterbacks with at least one hundred attempts against zone

1066
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 5: this year, May's third and adjusted net yards per attempt fourth,

1067
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 5: and passer rating He's a top five quarterback against zone.

1068
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 5: So I think this is a guy that despite and

1069
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 5: zone could be tricky. You know a lot of quarterbacks,

1070
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 5: especially young quarterbacks, prefer man like I know where my

1071
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 5: guys are, I'm gonna find the open receiver and I'm

1072
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 5: gonna throw it to that spot, whereas zone you have

1073
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 5: to anticipate a little bit more. And that's where I

1074
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 5: think Drake May is maybe taking a step or two

1075
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 5: steps ahead of the learning curve.

1076
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 7: Like we expect a guy that's his.

1077
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 5: First go back and look at some of the other

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00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 5: first and second year starting quarterbacks in the NFL, and

1079
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 5: how many how many of those guys are anticipating throws

1080
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 5: against zone coverage, I would say the list is pretty short.

1081
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: Like, I'm not putting Cam Warred on that list, that's

1082
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: for sure.

1083
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 5: So I just think there's a lot of advantageous opportunities

1084
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 5: for Drake May to pick apart the Seahawks defense. That again,

1085
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 5: we're trying to find a path for New England because

1086
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 5: I think the line's gonna keep going up ran Like,

1087
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 5: I don't think we're gonna get down to four anytime.

1088
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 5: I agree, like, I think it's gonna be five, maybe

1089
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 5: five and a half.

1090
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 7: I don't think we see six.

1091
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 5: But to me, you might get New England plus five

1092
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 5: and a half on Sunday afternoon before the game. And

1093
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 5: if that's the case, that's gonna be the best number

1094
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 5: you're gonna find all week. So I am consistently looking

1095
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 5: for opportunities to maybe find out if New England's undervalue

1096
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 5: to Drake May being able to have success against zone coverage.

1097
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 7: Would say it's a pretty big reason.

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00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: Well, the thing with zone if you you know, throw

1099
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: it into like props, potential prop bets. I'm with you.

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00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: I like the Drake May it's actually ticked up a yard.

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00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: I like him under thirty seven and a half rushing yards.

1102
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: And then maybe you look at the completions Jared right,

1103
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: like top five guy against zone. Maybe over nineteen and

1104
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: a half completions is a good look, especially for the

1105
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: people who seem to love the Seahawks. It's like if

1106
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots are trailing, they're gonna be throwing it. So

1107
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: if you like the Seahawks, then look at that completions

1108
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: prop as well. Yep, makes a ton of sense to me.

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00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I feel as though the Patriots they're

1110
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 4: I mean, look publicly, I understand how lopsided this can

1111
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 4: look like on paper, but I have I have a

1112
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 4: hard time understanding how much belief, all of a sudden

1113
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 4: there is in Sam Darnold right right exactly, you know,

1114
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 4: Like like I mean, you know, I understand that other

1115
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 4: things have to happen too for a team to win. Obviously,

1116
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 4: I played football my whole life, and I understand the game.

1117
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 4: And you know, I think I understand it even better

1118
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 4: post career, which is it's such sad news for a

1119
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 4: lot of players, Like when you finish playing you'd start,

1120
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 4: you know, opening your eyes to some of the nuance

1121
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 4: you wish you would have known. But that's life in general.

1122
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 4: It's like, man if I had the information I had now,

1123
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 4: and I could rewind the clock. But what's what's really

1124
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 4: crazy about it is it is a quarterbacks league. I mean,

1125
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 4: it's still a line of scrimmage game. You got to

1126
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 4: be great in the trenches. You got to do a

1127
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 4: lot of good things against the run, you know, with

1128
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 4: the run to win football games, and you got to

1129
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 4: be able to rush the passer. All that's still very

1130
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 4: important and that will factor. But it is a quarterback game.

1131
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 4: It's a passing league now, and we are heaping all

1132
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 4: of this credibility onto Seattle Seahawks and it's Sam Darnold.

1133
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: Now, I I'm.

1134
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 4: Having a hard time, like one hundred percent putting all

1135
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 4: of my chips in the in the basket of Well.

1136
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 4: Sam Donald's great, I mean is he? I mean he's

1137
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 4: been very, very solid for two seasons. He had a

1138
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 4: complete choke job in the playoffs last year.

1139
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: He's avoided it this year.

1140
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 4: But I'm not completely sold that Sam Donald's the guy.

1141
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 4: I almost feel more confident in Drake may In some ways.

1142
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 7: Wow, Listen, it's fair.

1143
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 5: I think when I turned on the tape and watched

1144
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 5: Donald in the NFC Championship game, all three of those

1145
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 5: touchdowns came under pressure and with people in his face,

1146
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 5: muddy pockets, and and that I think is a is

1147
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 5: a step in the positive direction because prior versions of

1148
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 5: Sam Darnald might not have had the success that he

1149
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 5: had against that Rams defense.

1150
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I.

1151
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 5: Agree, We've talked about it all year. He's gonna turn

1152
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 5: to a pumpkin at some point, and you trust him.

1153
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 5: I said on last week's show, I trust Stafford more

1154
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 5: than I trust Donald, And I'm not saying I was

1155
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 5: wrong on that tape. Stafford was great in that game,

1156
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 5: but Donald was pretty damn good too, And a lot

1157
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 5: of that credit I think goes to Clint Kubiak and that.

1158
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: So that's the part of this that I think we

1159
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: need to.

1160
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 7: Like, let's start at the beginning.

1161
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 5: Where Donald obviously has the five tough years with the

1162
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 5: Jets and the Panthers and his career is over right.

1163
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 5: He started a meaningless Week eighteen game for the Niners

1164
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty three when he was the backup to Party,

1165
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 5: and that game was ironically at Levi Stadium in Santa Clara.

1166
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 5: It was against Carson Wentz and the Rams. Both teams

1167
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 5: Rams Niners or resting starters in that game as both

1168
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 5: Niners Rams are getting ready for the playoffs, and he

1169
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 5: lost that game to Wentz. And I'm sure that game

1170
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 5: was in January of twenty twenty four, Week eighteen of

1171
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty three season. How many people as Donald's

1172
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 5: walking off the field in that game as the backup

1173
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 5: to Brock, Perty're thinking, you know what.

1174
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: In two years, he's going to be back start the

1175
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl for Seattle.

1176
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 5: Like it just you have to give him credit for

1177
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 5: renovating his career going to Minnesota learning from Kevin O'Connell.

1178
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 5: The Kubiak situation started in San Francisco, right Kubiak was

1179
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 5: the passing game ordinator with the Niners in twenty twenty three.

1180
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 5: Then he gets the OC job in New Orleans in

1181
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, and now he's in Seattle, and so

1182
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 5: it all kind of came together perfectly. I thought, Mike McDonald,

1183
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 5: he's trying to become the only head coach in history

1184
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 5: of the NFL to be the defensive signal caller and

1185
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 5: win a super Bowl. Not even Belichick, Chuck Nol, Tom Landry,

1186
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 5: none of those guys have ever done that. So all

1187
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 5: of these things have come together so nicely. John Schneider Executive,

1188
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 5: the year he gets rid of Gino, Smith, gets rid

1189
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 5: of DK Metcalf allows JSN to become this superstar. It

1190
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 5: all has kind of fallen into place. So I'm not

1191
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 5: saying it's all Donald, guys, but I think the situation

1192
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 5: around him is so solid that maybe it's time for

1193
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 5: us to change our tune a little bit.

1194
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 7: On this narrative. But yes, at some point, if.

1195
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 5: He makes that big boneheaded mistake, we're all gonna come

1196
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 5: back on the air after the Super Bowl and say, up,

1197
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 5: told you so, he's a pumpkin. But I mean, at

1198
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 5: some point, Brian, like, we do have to change this

1199
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 5: narrative because everything around him looks so solid now that

1200
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 5: maybe it's not the same Donald that we are accustomed

1201
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 5: to see.

1202
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think it's changed too much. You know,

1203
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: It's as if he's won the Super Bowl already and

1204
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: now it's this new day and age for a new

1205
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: outlook on Donald, you know.

1206
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 3: What I mean.

1207
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: Like it's gotten to the point where it's as if

1208
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: people think he's got the answer to anything that could

1209
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: be thrown at him, Like, does he have the answer

1210
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: for let's say Kenneth Walker is held in relative check

1211
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: and it's a passing game.

1212
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: What if?

1213
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: What if the Patriots are able to do an Old Belichick,

1214
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, aw Belichick in the playoffs would be like,

1215
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: you're not beating us with your best pitch. What if

1216
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: jsn his stat line against the Niners was three catches

1217
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: for nineteen yards and a touchdown. What if that's his

1218
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: stat line against the Patriots? Do you trust aj Barner

1219
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: and Rashid Shaheed and old Cooper Cup to be enough

1220
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: for Sam Darnold against the good defense.

1221
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 3: I don't.

1222
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't, So you know, we'll talk more about Sammy Darnald.

1223
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: But I agree halfway with you, Jared, like you got

1224
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: to give him his flowers for the success he's had

1225
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: this season, especially last week against the Rams. But to

1226
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: Rich's point, I'm not willing to just throw bouquets at

1227
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: his feed just yet. You know, I think it goes

1228
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: a little bit too far. All Right, We've got rich Oornberger,

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1238
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Speaker 1: We invite our good friend Seamus McGee, team lead of

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Speaker 1: Sports Trading at betm GM. Seamus, good morning to you.

1265
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: Are you like me today? No football today, no football

1266
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: this weekend? Are you just aimlessly walking around?

1267
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Speaker 3: Like?

1268
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Speaker 1: What is life? What does life even mean? What are

1269
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Speaker 1: you lost right now? Are you diving headfirst into some

1270
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Speaker 1: hoops action here today, Seamus?

1271
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Speaker 12: Guys, come on, one week without one week without football,

1272
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Speaker 12: and we're walking around anglessly. We got English Primari League gone,

1273
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Speaker 12: the Gaelic footballs just started back up in Ireland. We

1274
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 12: got a full slate of college hoops. I mean, come on,

1275
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Speaker 12: there's plenty.

1276
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Speaker 1: Today, you're the voice of positivity here, Seamous.

1277
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Speaker 3: I like that.

1278
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean it's a valid question because I do

1279
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 5: feel like for me and this is just for me,

1280
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 5: And I know Brian's Brian's more in the NBA circles

1281
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 5: than me, so he's been kind of dabbling in more

1282
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 5: hoops than I have. But for me, Shamus, this is

1283
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 5: the week where I finally hit that button that says, okay,

1284
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 5: it's time to start paying attention to college basketball. Is

1285
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 5: the market also in that same vein where you start

1286
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 5: to see the college basketball handle and maybe you can

1287
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 5: say NBA or even Gaelic football, the bets on some

1288
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Speaker 5: of the non football sports. Is this the week where

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Speaker 5: that flip finally or that switch excuse me, finally gets flip.

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Speaker 12: I think you saw a little bit of it last week.

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Speaker 12: Definitely a sharp uptick in handle last week. You know,

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01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 12: with Saturday having pretty much only college basketball on, it's

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01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 12: giving an opportunity for a lot of betters out there

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01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 12: to really, you know, hone in on a lot of

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01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 12: teams that you know, maybe they heard about during you know,

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Speaker 12: football season, but haven't really tuned into us. So we're

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01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 12: definitely seeing an uptick in college hoops now, but I

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01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 12: think you really really see it ramp up, like a

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 12: week after the super Bowl, when we really like start

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01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 12: to get close to the end of conference season.

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01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 4: How good is the advice sham is to get in

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01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 4: early if you feel strongly about a side for the

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01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 4: super Bowl, or or should you wait until you see

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01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 4: what the market does the week of the game? Like

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01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 4: we're kind of on that hinge weekend right the by

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01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 4: weekend before the super Bowl where you feel like there's

1307
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 4: gonna be a flurry of action here in the next

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Speaker 4: seven days.

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Speaker 3: But how important it is is it? Should I say

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01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 3: or ask?

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01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 4: Is it to get in early if you really do

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01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 4: have a strong take right now?

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Speaker 12: A lot of people will try it again in early

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 12: just if they feel the market's gonna move one way

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Speaker 12: or the other. It did bounce around a little bit

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Speaker 12: between four and a half and three and a half,

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01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 12: but it seems like we're pretty settled here on the spread,

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Speaker 12: and you know, the total has been a little balanced

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Speaker 12: itself as well this past week. But it just all

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01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 12: depends on your feeling. I mean, if you feel like

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01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 12: the market's gonna move, maybe maybe you should get it,

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01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 12: you know, ten days out. But if you don't, maybe

1323
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 12: if you're a little unsure, it's not wrong. We see

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Speaker 12: where the market's going at all.

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Speaker 1: It can obviously change between now and next Sunday. But

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Speaker 1: as of right now, with what you just explained, the spread,

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01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, Seahawks favored by four and a half, total

1328
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: is forty five and a half. What would be an

1329
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: ideal outcome for you guys at bet MGM right now?

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01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 12: One thing is for sure, we would love a low

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01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 12: scorer in Super Bowl under forty. We did take a

1332
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 12: pretty big bet on under forty five and a half

1333
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 12: last week. But come kick off, I mean with the

1334
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 12: amount of same game parlays and player prop bets that

1335
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 12: we're going to be having, all on overs and people

1336
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 12: to do things in the game, we're really looking for

1337
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 12: a doll a fair in the Super Bowl. But it

1338
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 12: comes to its side or the money line. Now that

1339
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 12: the Seahawks are, you know, a liability on our futures book,

1340
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 12: we've taken a lot of pass moneyline, more so than

1341
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 12: we thought we'd see this early. It's really too early

1342
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 12: to tell which side we're definitely going to need. It's

1343
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 12: it's something we're kind of debating here among the risk team, Like,

1344
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 12: what do we think that needs going to become someday?

1345
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 12: Like I think there is a world where there might

1346
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 12: not be that big of a need like I think

1347
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 12: because it's the action coming in. It's it's not fifty

1348
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 12: to fifty necessarily. But I'm seeing a lot more Patriots

1349
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 12: actions than I thought I was going to. I was

1350
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 12: expecting one way traffic Seahawks, but like as it looks

1351
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 12: right now, I think Seahawks by less than four and

1352
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 12: a half could end up being the side that would

1353
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 12: really you know, bring home a big result of the book.

1354
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 7: But that's exactly what I said, we're.

1355
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Speaker 12: Doing now and Sunday, you know, we still haven't even

1356
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 12: seen you know, the heavy hitters come through Vegas yet.

1357
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 5: That literally that's exactly what I said. An hour guy said,

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01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 5: I bet Seamus is going to want Seahawks by three

1360
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 5: like that that would probably be like the ideal threading

1361
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 5: of the needle result if that's how it takes place.

1362
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 5: So the prop market, right, and that that is the

1363
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 5: big draw in in the super Bowl. You guys open

1364
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 5: up so many more props and to me that means opportunity, right,

1365
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 5: because you're pricing props for example, like the one that

1366
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 5: I always love is the three unanswered scores because you

1367
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 5: don't price that during the regular season, and then all

1368
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 5: of a sudden you throw up a yes on that

1369
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 5: prop and it's minus one fifty and people are like,

1370
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 5: wait a minute, that sounds like a lot three unanswered

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01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 5: scores and I've got a late minus one fifty, when

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01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 5: in reality, that prop HiT's like sixty five percent of

1373
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 5: the time and it's been very profitable if you bet

1374
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 5: that every Super Bowl, Like, the prop market is just

1375
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 5: really where I think the true sharks are swimming over

1376
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Speaker 5: the next week, right.

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Speaker 8: Seamus, Definitely, And you see it across social media everywhere.

1378
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 8: Everyone's got their prop book out what they're hitting that week.

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Speaker 8: But it's yeah, I give credit to our our trading

1380
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 8: team here. We already have close to one thousand markets

1381
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 8: up on site in most states and a lot of

1382
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 8: hard work's gone into it.

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01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 12: But it's a lot of fun ones. You see, We're

1384
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 12: gon We're gonna see a lot of you know, two

1385
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 12: point conversion props, you know, defensive player to score a touchdown. Obviously,

1386
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 12: the coin cost is a huge one. We got the

1387
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 12: Gatorade bath where it's allowed off. It's if there's something

1388
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 12: you can you want to bet on this game, we

1389
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 12: probably have it.

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Speaker 4: It's so funny, Seamus, as I've gone from complete novice

1391
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 4: sports better over the past three years working with these

1392
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,480
Speaker 4: two degenerates too. I would, I guess I would categorize

1393
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 4: myself as somewhat experienced.

1394
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 3: But but it's it's interesting. I'm always trying to seek a.

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01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 4: Strategy, and Jared talks about that all the time, and

1396
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 4: Brian you talk about it a lot too. Is like,

1397
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 4: so when when I'm thinking about a Super Bowl and

1398
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 4: I think about it, almost like you know how they

1399
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 4: call the night before Thanksgiving amateur night because everybody's out drinking,

1400
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 4: you know.

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01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 3: What I mean, everybody's got the next day off from work.

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01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 4: I almost feel like in the sports books the super

1403
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 4: Bowl's amateur Night, like anybody who's got a penny and

1404
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 4: interest are going to put a bet.

1405
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 3: And so I kind of.

1406
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 4: Feel like a good strategy might be to hit a

1407
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 4: lot of or or to bet a lot of unders

1408
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 4: on player to do it early, because I feel like

1409
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 4: a lot of those props are gonna get artificially overly

1410
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 4: inflated because people just want to see their favorite player

1411
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 4: do well in the game, and it's a lot more

1412
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 4: fun to root for a guy to have more yards

1413
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 4: than last Is that? Is that a dumb strategy or

1414
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 4: is there any merit to it.

1415
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 12: I'm not gonna sit here and call any strategy for

1416
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 12: betting dumb. I think that's pretty pretty superficial to do

1417
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 12: when it comes to betting, especially in the Super Bowl.

1418
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 12: And frankly, I don't think it's a very bad strategy

1419
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 12: at all. You know, I said earlier before, we're gonna

1420
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 12: need things to not happen in the super Bowl for

1421
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 12: us to have a really big night like that Rams

1422
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 12: Patriots super Bowl a few years ago, in the low

1423
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 12: scoring field only one touchdown score. I mean, we cleaned up.

1424
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 12: It was a huge night for the books because not

1425
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 12: a lot really happened in the game. And I think

1426
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 12: you can find some prices on a lot of these

1427
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 12: props where overs our text maybe a little more because

1428
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:00,879
Speaker 12: all the action.

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01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: Is going on one way, all right, Seamus, the moment

1430
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: of truth, no football this weekend. You're gonna have to

1431
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: dig deep for the shame of special or if you

1432
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: just go right to the well, has then been a

1433
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: problem before, what do you have for us?

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01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 12: There's no football, No problem. We are taking Lipscumb on

1435
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 12: the spread over North Florida on the road. I think

1436
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,480
Speaker 12: they're laying around eleven and a half. This is an

1437
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,879
Speaker 12: extremely good offensive team in Lipscomb in a very poor

1438
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 12: defensive North Florida team.

1439
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,799
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe a little team total over on Lipscumb.

1440
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 7: What do you think about if you can.

1441
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 12: Find it on a six digit basketball game? More power too?

1442
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 3: Fair enough?

1443
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 2: Man, all right, we'll take the spread.

1444
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,839
Speaker 12: If it's only it's the only thing you got, that's.

1445
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: All we can do. We'll go with the spread. All right,

1446
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 1: go lipscum. Great stuff is always shamous. We'll catch you

1447
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: next week. Man, have a good day.

1448
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 12: I have a go on, guys. I appreciate it.

1449
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,160
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01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: and everybody listening. But Amar Bailey, we go to college basketball.

1458
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: Amari Bailey played for the Charlotte Hornets. Okay, he's attempting

1459
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: to go back to college next Season's trying to go

1460
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: back to college, and he's got a quote, I'm really

1461
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: serious about going back. I just want to improve my game,

1462
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: change the perception of me, and just show that I

1463
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: can win. That's what the G League and what overseas

1464
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: are for, not college basketball. John Caliperi, the Arkansas head coach,

1465
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: he went on a rant a couple of weeks ago

1466
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: about this, and he was right. He's like, what are

1467
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 1: we doing to college kids right now? You got guys

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: that played in the NBA who are coming, but that's

1469
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: not what the college experience should be. He's so right

1470
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: about this. This has got to stop.

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Speaker 12: Man.

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01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: This is becoming more of a trend now where guys

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01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: go play professionally and now they're coming back to college.

1474
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: Your eligibility is done, dude, go somewhere else, man. But

1475
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: they're getting back in. So we'll see what happens with

1476
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: the Maury Bailey. I'm totally against this though.

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01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's good.

1478
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 4: But and by the way, whether you're against it, I'm

1479
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 4: against it or Jared, you're groaning, so I know you're

1480
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 4: against it.

1481
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 3: I feel like more of this is going to happen.

1482
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 4: There's going to be more competition than ever before for

1483
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 4: high school players, and that's not good. I mean because

1484
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 4: if you think about where where like natural selection, if

1485
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 4: we want to take this to almost like a scientific exploration,

1486
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 4: like the survival of the fittest, well in sports, sometimes

1487
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 4: the fittest athlete and I'm not talking about literal fitness,

1488
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like the one who's most ready to

1489
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 4: play is just the most experienced. We see that all

1490
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 4: the time. It's not necessarily the most talented. It's not

1491
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 4: necessarily the greatest athlete on the court or the field

1492
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 4: or whatever sport we're talking the ice. It's the guy

1493
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 4: with the most experienced who understands the game. So we

1494
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 4: are going to overlook some sensational high school prospects and

1495
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 4: talents who may give up on sport altogether because they're

1496
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 4: buried on some roster and they just they don't have

1497
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 4: the stick touitiveness that maybe a guy who's been grinding

1498
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 4: around college hoops for six years or even played a

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01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 4: year in the NBA. Coming back to the game, it's

1500
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Speaker 4: not good. It's going to start snuffing out some real

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Speaker 4: high school talent that is trying to find its way

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01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 4: into college because we as a society and really in

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01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 4: the sports world, we value experience sometimes over talent.

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01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: We've ruined college sports. We've completely ruined it.

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01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 5: And the age is not a factor here, Like he's

1506
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 5: only Like if age was the only thing that matters,

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01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 5: then yeah, he's he's.

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01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: A college player.

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01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 5: I think he'd be a senior right now in college

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01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 5: based off of his age alone. But what we've done

1511
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 5: to college sports with nil and with this landscape that

1512
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 5: we've built over the last few years, and when I

1513
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 5: say built, I mean we've kind of manifested, created it

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01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 5: out of thin air. It is more advantageous for these

1515
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 5: kids now to stay in school. Look at what Trinidad

1516
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 5: Shambles tried to do. Look at what Diego Pavia tried

1517
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 5: to do. Like, these kids are millionaires in college playing football.

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01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 7: Why would you want to lee?

1519
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 5: Like I would if that was my experience at that state,

1520
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 5: I would never want to leave. I'd want to stay

1521
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 5: there forever. But what we've done is we've ruined the

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01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 5: college experience. It is over now. It is a professional league.

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01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 5: And it's not just in basketball. Look at what's happening

1524
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 5: in college football right now. We've talked about this at length.

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01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 7: Look at what.

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01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 5: Happened between ole Miss and Clemson last week where Clemson

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01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 5: got this recruit or this transfer from cal Luke Farelli.

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01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 7: He enrolls at Clemson.

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01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 5: He is literally at Clemson taking classes, and ole MISSUS

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01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 5: head coach Pete Golding is texting him, Hey, what's the buyout?

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01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 5: We want you over here, like you're some kind of

1532
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 5: side piece on Tinder, Like it's just it. We have

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01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 5: completely gone off the rails with college sports.

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01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: We have Duke suing Darian Mensa.

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 5: Now they drop the lawsuit because he's gonna go to

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01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 5: Miami and that's gonna be Mensa's next stop. But we

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01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 5: have colleges suing their former players.

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01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 7: It's it's crazy.

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01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: We need a Commissioner of college sports.

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01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 5: We really need it for college football, but now with

1541
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 5: the Samario Bailey thing, it's obviously bleeding into the basketball world.

1542
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 5: So let's just say we need a commissioner of college sports.

1543
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 5: We need some kind of governing body that can figure

1544
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 5: out what is fair and what is not fair and

1545
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 5: draw the line because we are at a point right now, Brian,

1546
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 5: it is looney tunes out there with the things that

1547
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 5: are happening with these kids.

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01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: It really is. And it's the story where it's let

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01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: me get the name again. Amari Bailey who played for

1550
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: the Charlotte Hornets. He started at UCLA trying to go

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01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: back to college. To your point, Jared, this should be

1552
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: the baseline that doesn't happen. You know what I mean.

1553
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: You mentioned Trinidad Chambliss and Diego Pavia. I get why

1554
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: they would want to stay in college. But if they

1555
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: go to the NFL, if Diego Pavia just plays, he

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01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 1: takes snaps for the Jets, you're not going back to

1557
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt or anywhere else in college. That should be a baseline,

1558
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: like no fly zone and that's not even a no

1559
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: fly zone yet. It's crazy. It's looney tunes right now.

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01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe we need the AFLAC duck. We need

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01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: the Commissioner of coverage to be the commissioner. We do

1562
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: need an actual commissioner. You're right about that, though, Jared.

1563
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: We need some sort of structure and there is none.

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Speaker 1: All right, We've got rich oron Berger, Penn State, All

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Speaker 1: Do we go Super Bowl sixty? Do we go Hoops?

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Speaker 3: Today?

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Speaker 7: We don't know?

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Speaker 2: On three good prop it up player plays.

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Speaker 1: Ah, Yes, the prop betting market shared. We start with

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Speaker 1: you super Bowl sixty hoops today. Wherever you want to go?

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Speaker 1: What do you have for us?

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01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, let's I'll stick to the Super Bowl.

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01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys go in any direction you want, obviously,

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01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 5: but I think I'm still in in football mode. I

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01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 5: love this prop. I mentioned it briefly with Seamus in

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01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 5: the last segment. I'll mention it again here. Will there

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01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 5: be three unanswered scores? This is a yes, no prof

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01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 5: a bet MGM. The yes is priced that minus won

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01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 5: fifty five. And I know what you might be thinking, Wait.

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01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,560
Speaker 1: A minute, that that's pretty defensive.

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01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 7: Three unanswered scores. Is it gonna be a blowout in

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01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 7: the game.

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01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: Well, it might be, but even if it's not, this

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01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: still could hit. So.

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01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 7: First of all, this prop is sixteen to ten.

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01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,759
Speaker 5: In the last twenty six Super Bowls over sixty percent,

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01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 5: So it's profitable. Secondly, if you go back to that

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01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 5: Rams Bengal Super Bowl three point game, relatively low scoring, Yes,

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01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 5: even in that game there were three consecutive scores. How

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01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 5: about we go way back to nineteen ninety nine Rams Titans,

1613
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 5: remember Derek Mason at the one yard line, low scoring game.

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01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 5: Even in that game, both teams had three consecutive scores.

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01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 5: This prop hits more than you think minus one fifty five.

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01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 5: Will there be three unanswered scores? We are betting the yes.

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01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I like it a lot, all right.

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01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 4: Victor Wembin Yama Stars Superstar playing the Hornets today.

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01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 3: I like the under on the point total right now.

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01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,799
Speaker 4: He's at twenty five and a half at bet MGM.

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01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 4: So he's been performing at about a twenty four and

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01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 4: a half point per game clip over the past ten games.

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01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 4: And so this isn't screaming auto over to me.

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01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 3: I'll take the under on it.

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01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 4: Also, Daron Fox had a nice Wednesday game. I think

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01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 4: it was Wednesday night they'd beat Houston, and he's starting

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01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 4: to come back to form. Obviously playing with the new team,

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01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 4: he's still feeling things out, but he scored eighteen. He

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01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 4: was on the floor for thirty four minutes. So there's

1630
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 4: more mouths to feed around that offense. And so give me,

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01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 4: give me Victor Wemenyama under the twenty five and a

1632
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 4: half points tonight or today.

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01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 1: Okay, I like it. Little ball and hoops blend here,

1634
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: very nice. I'm gonna go to Super Bowl sixty as well.

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01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 1: I got a prop that's so it's gonna make you.

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01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna make you scirm. Okay, I'm on Jackson Smith

1637
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: and Jigba under ninety five and a half or so

1638
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: a while. And now I know how special the guy is.

1639
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 1: We saw it last week. The guy had ten catches

1640
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: for one hundred and fifty three yards in a touchdown.

1641
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: He was unbelievable. Rams don't have a good secondary. Okay,

1642
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 1: the Patriots secondary is much better. And you have to

1643
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: know going into this game, don't let JSN kill us

1644
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: right like they're gonna be focused on slowing this guy

1645
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: down completely. Now I know, if he has a catch

1646
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: in the first quarter for fifteen yards, you're.

1647
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 7: Like, I do, I shouldn't have bet this under.

1648
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 1: But you go back a game prior. Again, it's the Niners.

1649
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,440
Speaker 1: He had three catches for nineteen yards and a touchdown,

1650
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, So I think this is the best time

1651
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,759
Speaker 1: to strike. It's a better secondary. There's gonna be focus

1652
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: on slowing him down. He might get bracketed, he might

1653
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 1: get doubled, you know, there might be that much focus

1654
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: on slowing him down. So I think the time to

1655
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: strike is now. I think taking jsn as fabulous as

1656
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: he is. The one handed catch on the sideline that

1657
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: was unbelievable, but I think under ninety three and a half,

1658
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: this is the spot to do it. I'm on the

1659
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: remember when they got rid of DK Metcalf and everyone's like, man,

1660
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: how are the Seahawks gonna move the ball this year?

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01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 13: Hi?

1662
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: Jason goes from.

1663
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 5: The slot to the outside and he leaves the league

1664
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 5: in crazy crazy all right?

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Speaker 1: Coming up, you've heard the phrase coach killer. This guy

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01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,360
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Speaker 1: Oh what is going on? Happy Saturday to you. Hope

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Speaker 1: your day is off to a fantastic start. We will

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Speaker 1: get to a guy he didn't kill a coach, but

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Speaker 1: he helped kill a GM that in just a couple

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Speaker 1: Steve de Seger say this at the top of the

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01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:40,799
Speaker 1: hour where the Vikings fired their general manager, quesse Adolfo Mensa,

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01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: he's gone. Their GM is out of there. And the

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01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: first thing you think of is they didn't re sign

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01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. They didn't slap Sam Donald with the franchise tag.

1686
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: They said peace out, Sam Donald. Is a tough end

1687
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: to the season. Last year they won fourteen games but

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01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: self destructed against the Lions in Week eighteen when the

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01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: Vikings had a chance to win the division be the

1690
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: one seed, and then the playoff loss to the Rams

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01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: was brutal. Sam Donald was awful, took nine sacks. I

1692
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: wasn't betting on the game. I'm like, throw the ball,

1693
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: just throw it away, man, Like, don't take that sack yardage.

1694
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: So it's a terrible ending to the season. And the

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01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: Vikings didn't resign him, didn't franchise him, and he goes

1696
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: to Seattle and now here he is in Super Bowl sixty.

1697
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: So Sam Donald absolutely had a role and in Adolfo

1698
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 1: Mensa no longer being the general manager of the Vikings.

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01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: Here's the question. This is a mind bender for you guys,

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01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: Huh does this have more to do with Sam Donald's

1701
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: success or JJ McCarthy's lack of success? Why the Vikings

1702
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: got rid of their GM? Which do you think it

1703
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 1: is more so? It's a blend, right, But which is

1704
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: it more so? Of their rich?

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01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely?

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01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy's lack of success? I think if yeah, yeah, Now,

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01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong. When you're looking at you know,

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01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 4: somebody who you could have had team control of, or

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01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 4: presumably team control of for another year, gotten to a

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01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 4: contract worked out with for multi years, you you definitely

1711
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 4: hold that against the GM. But if if you have

1712
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 4: a player who is showing either immediate output at the

1713
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 4: same position or showing not maybe the same output as

1714
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 4: Sam Donald, but J J. McCarthy. If he were showing

1715
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 4: the potentiality of being as good as Sam Donald for

1716
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 4: I mean, arguably longer, with more control over his contract

1717
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 4: for cheaper well, then all of a sudden you don't

1718
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 4: have any problems with that. Even even still, if JJ

1719
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 4: McCarthy underperformed Sam Donald this season, which you know, I

1720
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 4: think it was hard to imagine a world where that

1721
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 4: didn't happen unless it was a complete disaster in Seattle

1722
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 4: and Sam Darnold, you know, got.

1723
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 3: Hurt or whatever.

1724
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 4: You would assume he would have a stronger year than

1725
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy coming off injury, a second year player, all

1726
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 4: the things that we know create difficulties for young players

1727
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 4: in the NFL. But if he showed enough potential, I

1728
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 4: think we would have kept his job. The problem is

1729
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy. When you look at his skill set and

1730
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 4: you think about whether or not it is applicable to

1731
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 4: the NFL long term, there are a lot more question

1732
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 4: marks than they are exclamation points. I look at this kid,

1733
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 4: and he's young, and he can still develop, and there's

1734
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 4: a lot of good in him, but I have some

1735
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 4: big questions. I mean, is he big enough to handle

1736
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 4: the rigor and is his body sturdy enough to handle

1737
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 4: the rigor of the weekend, week out grind of an

1738
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:56,799
Speaker 4: NFL season.

1739
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 3: A few huge questions there.

1740
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 4: If his body but he isn't big enough, if he

1741
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 4: isn't strong enough to handle that barrage. Is he athletic

1742
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 4: enough to get out of the way of some of

1743
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 4: the hits? And the answer is, I don't know if

1744
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 4: he is. Does he have a big enough arm, Does

1745
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 4: he have enough arm talent? Does he have enough anticipation?

1746
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 4: Do I think he has enough football IQ? Do I

1747
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 4: think he can go out there and win games on

1748
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 4: his own when his team around him is struggling. I mean,

1749
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 4: all of those are question marks. None of these none

1750
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 4: of these statements end with exclamation points and yes is

1751
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 4: They're all like, well, maybe or not yet. And so

1752
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:38,759
Speaker 4: that's the reason why QUESTI got fired.

1753
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a little bit of that. I

1754
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 5: think Darnold and McCarthy are definitely part of it. I

1755
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 5: think there's another. I'll give you a door number three,

1756
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 5: and you can tell me if this is a reason

1757
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 5: why maybe the Vikings decided to move in a different direction.

1758
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 5: So since hiring Mens in twenty twenty two, they have

1759
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 5: selected twenty eight players in the draft have combined for

1760
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 5: one hundred and seventy two starts and zero Pro Bowls,

1761
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 5: so it also could and McCarty's obviously one of those players.

1762
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 5: So I think this kind of lumps into that category

1763
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 5: where he just you have to build in the draft.

1764
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: In the NFL, it.

1765
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 5: Is a it is a you have to you cannot

1766
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,799
Speaker 5: afford to just sign all your good players.

1767
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: You have to build through the.

1768
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 5: Draft, and he hasn't done that, So that to me

1769
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 5: is another overarching reason. But yeah, when you let Sam

1770
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 5: Darnold walk and there were a lot listen, I remember

1771
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 5: the discourse around that, people were thrilled. They're like, yeah,

1772
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 5: good riddit's you know, he's sucked in the playoffs.

1773
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 7: And then you bring in McCarthy and people are.

1774
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 5: Like that, you know, and then the situation plays out

1775
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 5: the way that it does. And then oh, by the way,

1776
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:50,759
Speaker 5: all of the like, you have to get the quarterback

1777
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 5: quarterback position right clearly, but oh, by the way, all

1778
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 5: of the other players that you've drafted, none of them

1779
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 5: are Ranny good. So yeah, I think it's part of

1780
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 5: the quarterback debate, Brian, But I also think it's part

1781
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 5: of the entire roster just hasn't developed the way that

1782
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 5: a roster needs to develop because they haven't drapped it.

1783
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: That's fair, Yes, to your point shared, it's more than

1784
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 1: just the quarterback thing, but the quarterback thing is the

1785
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 1: biggest piece of this puzzle, right like, And the way

1786
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 1: I look at it is similar to Rich, I agree.

1787
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: I think it's more to do with JJ McCarthy's lack

1788
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: of success. So I put it this way. The Vikings

1789
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: broke up with Sam Darnold, right, They didn't re sign him,

1790
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: they didn't franchise him, they broke up with him, they

1791
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: released him, and then he wound up with the Seahawks,

1792
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: and he leveled up. If you break up with your girlfriend, okay,

1793
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: and she levels up and you either stay the same

1794
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: or level down, that is bad news. Now if she

1795
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: levels up and you also level up, not as bad.

1796
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: That's the issue with the Vikings. Sam Darnald leveled up

1797
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: and they leveled down. If they leveled up as well.

1798
01:28:58,479 --> 01:28:58,759
Speaker 3: Well.

1799
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: To Rich's point, if JJ McCarthy had a reasonably good

1800
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: first year as a starting quarterback to winning games unpotential

1801
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't sting as much that Darnald is into

1802
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But they didn't have that at all, and

1803
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 1: now it looks really bad. That is the biggest reason why.

1804
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: I think it's because of JJ McCarthy's lack of success,

1805
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: and when it's coupled with Sam Darnold, you know, it

1806
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: just looks even worse now. Quessey, he was asked about this, like, hey,

1807
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 1: what do you think about not franchising Donald? And it

1808
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 1: was a very delicate question, but it was like, what

1809
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: do you think about that move that didn't work out?

1810
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:33,719
Speaker 3: Quessey?

1811
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: Like, but listen to what he said. It was really interesting.

1812
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 1: Check it out.

1813
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 14: There's those nights that you wake up and start the

1814
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 14: ceiling and ask yourself. But I always go back to

1815
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 14: the process and what we thought at the time. It's

1816
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 14: easier to kind of go and be revisionists and results base,

1817
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 14: but going to really think through what we had at

1818
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 14: the time, I still understand why we did what we did.

1819
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 1: That's a nice way of saying this guy sucked it up.

1820
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: He stunk it up and the worst possible part of

1821
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: the season. He was terrible in the playoff game. He

1822
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: was awful in Week eighteen. He had dudes wide opening

1823
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: the end zone. He couldn't hit him. You want us

1824
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 1: to franchise that bump like that, that's what he really

1825
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: wants to say. He's not gonna say that because he

1826
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: got class and he's not like me.

1827
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 3: I would say that.

1828
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 1: But he's really he's right, He's like, listen, at the time,

1829
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: it made sense. Now, props, I'll put words in his mouth.

1830
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: He's basically saying, props to Sam Donald for doing what

1831
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: he did. He's in the super Bowl. That's great. But

1832
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean the information that we had at the time,

1833
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 1: I get why we did what we did, and I

1834
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: do too. It just you didn't hit your wagon to

1835
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:36,600
Speaker 1: the right quarterback.

1836
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 3: I don't.

1837
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,839
Speaker 1: I'm not crying tears that they didn't re sign Donald,

1838
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: but it's a JJ McCarthy thing. They just don't have

1839
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: what looks to be their franchise quarterback of the now

1840
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 1: or maybe even the future with him, and that's a

1841
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: rough spot to be in. And that's when you look

1842
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: at the whole ball of wax and you're like, and

1843
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: the draft picks too, like, why do we have you

1844
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 1: here as our GM Like they looked at the whole thing,

1845
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 1: and what got them looking at the whole thing was

1846
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 1: where they are with the quarterback position.

1847
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it gets really expensive when Okay, so I'll make

1848
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 4: a comparison to like a house purchase when you're talking

1849
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 4: about a general manager who misses on the draft. Like

1850
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 4: if you if you have a lot of little interesting

1851
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 4: fixes that occurred in a house that maybe you just bought, right,

1852
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 4: you might say to yourself like, hey, you know, we're

1853
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 4: gonna hire a contractor, and over the years while we're

1854
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,600
Speaker 4: living here, we'll have him come in and you know,

1855
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 4: room by room, we're gonna have him fix some of

1856
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,719
Speaker 4: the issues. And then, you know, you buy the house,

1857
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 4: you move in, you know, you start going through the kitchen,

1858
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 4: you're like, wow, the electricity was done really shoddy.

1859
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 3: Who used to own this place? And then you realize, oh,

1860
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 3: it was.

1861
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 4: A contractor, and like he just knew enough to get

1862
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:52,560
Speaker 4: by and fix some of the electricity.

1863
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 3: So he did it some of himself. It looked like

1864
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 3: him and a buddy in.

1865
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 4: A six pack is what solved the electricity issues in

1866
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 4: the kitchen. Okay, we got some work to do. We

1867
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 4: got to put in a new you know, subpanel or yeah,

1868
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 4: I mean look whatever it is, right, And then you

1869
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 4: open up a bathroom like whoa the plumbing gut? I

1870
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 4: mean they got real creative with how they they plumbed

1871
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 4: this place. This is gonna get pretty expensive if we so. Eventually,

1872
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 4: you get to the point in the when you miss

1873
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 4: on draft picks where it's like problem problem, problem, expensive

1874
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 4: solution and free agency expensive solution. In free agency you're

1875
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 4: missing on draft picks, you have to sign big time

1876
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 4: free agents to.

1877
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 3: Fix your roster like it.

1878
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 4: At a certain point, it's it's either time to sell

1879
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:39,680
Speaker 4: the house or it's time to just start over and

1880
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 4: pull all the walls open and get a new contractor

1881
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 4: in there and start from scratch.

1882
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 12: Now.

1883
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 4: I don't think the Vikings ownership's ready to sell the team,

1884
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 4: but they're probably looking at this and saying, all right,

1885
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 4: this this old house. We need to tear it down

1886
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 4: to the studs and we need to rebuild. We're not

1887
01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:00,719
Speaker 4: gonna wait for Quesse to go room by and fix

1888
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 4: all the problems that he's created for us. We're going

1889
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 4: to hire a new contractor and we're gonna pull all

1890
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 4: these walls off the wall, or these the drywall off

1891
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 4: the walls, and we're gonna see what's inside here. We're

1892
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 4: gonna build this thing with strong bones. We got a

1893
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 4: couple of players under contract who we believe in. But

1894
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 4: we got to figure this out, and we need to

1895
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 4: do it with a with a different direction. This screams urgency,

1896
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 4: This screams we can't wait any longer. This screams we

1897
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 4: want to be better sooner. And I'll tell you right now,

1898
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 4: this isn't good news for JJ McCarthy. JJ McCarthy has

1899
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 4: to have a good season here next season with you know,

1900
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 4: you know, some upside here because I think they trust

1901
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:41,759
Speaker 4: the coach.

1902
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:43,919
Speaker 3: I think they really do like Kevin.

1903
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 4: O'Connell, but I don't think they like what's happening with

1904
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy.

1905
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 7: And that's the problem. So they're in cap hell.

1906
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 5: By the way, they're using seventy five percent of their

1907
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 5: cap on ten players Jefferson, O'Neil, Darris, Allen Grenard Hargrave, Hawkinson,

1908
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 5: Byron Murphy and Freeze. So you've got essentially a cap

1909
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 5: disaster brewing. You have no quarterback. And oh, by the way,

1910
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 5: the super Bowl is in a week. The Combine is

1911
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 5: in I think two or three weeks. I think it's

1912
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 5: the it's the end of February, so I thought last

1913
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 5: week of February. So the combine's in three weeks and

1914
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,759
Speaker 5: the draft is in two months, and of the thirty

1915
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 5: two teams in the NFL.

1916
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:23,799
Speaker 1: You're the only one without a GM.

1917
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, like again, I agree that there's probably a

1918
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 5: lot of good reasons to dump him now, But man,

1919
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 5: oh man, is the timeline really tight here, Brian.

1920
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 1: And that's the part now.

1921
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 3: That we spend this thing forward.

1922
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 5: You'rew the combine's coming up, the draft is coming up,

1923
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 5: and you are now about to start the process. And

1924
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 5: maybe they knew this was gonna happen for a few weeks,

1925
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 5: and maybe they've already started the process of looking. I

1926
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 5: don't know what's home happening behind the scenes. Dinan Versini

1927
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 5: tweeted out that despite the fact that this was a

1928
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 5: relative shot when it happened, the rest of the league

1929
01:34:58,040 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 5: kind of expected it, which leads me to believe that

1930
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 5: maybe they were quietly searching for another GM, and that's

1931
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 5: why people, maybe inside leak circles, kind of knew this

1932
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 5: was about to come down the pipe.

1933
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Speaker 7: But you still got to go through the process. You

1934
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 7: still got to hire the guy.

1935
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 5: He's got to come in, he's got to you know,

1936
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 5: set his office up, get his email, log in credentials

1937
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 5: and then oh, by the.

1938
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Speaker 1: Way, here's the draft, right, go go fix it.

1939
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 7: Well that's the thing. It's an uphill climb.

1940
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Jared, And that's the thing. This was

1941
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 1: what's really goofy too. So they've got this executive, Rob Brazinski,

1942
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 1: and he's going to run the team's front office through

1943
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 1: the draft and then they're gonna hire a new lug.

1944
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: So it's like, Okay, the new guy shows up after

1945
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 1: the twenty six draft and he might be like, he's

1946
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 1: not gonna say it in the interview, was like, why

1947
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 1: did you draft that detackle oil? Who made that move?

1948
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 1: Like you're not gonna get the job if you do that.

1949
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: It's just a weird setup, man, it really is. And

1950
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: look our guy Chris Purfett's he's with us here, technical producer, extraordinary.

1951
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 1: He has something real fast before I started blabbering.

1952
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Speaker 13: Well, it's a it's a comment and a and a question,

1953
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,440
Speaker 13: and I guess the comment is like, besides JJ McCarthy,

1954
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 13: like the rest of his draft, I don't know if

1955
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 13: you've seen what else he's done with the top one

1956
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:11,679
Speaker 13: hundred picks they've had. But like Dallas Turner, Andrew Booth,

1957
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,600
Speaker 13: grew a scene which like they traded back with the

1958
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 13: lions and took that like he's he's swung and missed

1959
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:21,719
Speaker 13: real hard on a bunch of like round one, round

1960
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Speaker 13: two guys. So maybe it's a good thing he's not

1961
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 13: in charge of it. But I I guess my question

1962
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Speaker 13: to you, guys is, because I've seen this painted a

1963
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 13: few places, does this feel like it's it was maybe

1964
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 13: a power struggle between him and Kevin O'Connell, and Kevin

1965
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 13: O'Connell kind of came out on top, that seems the

1966
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 13: rumors going around on this.

1967
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's not his personnel.

1968
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 1: Guy. I'm not sure if that's the case or not,

1969
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 1: but I would say, you know, building on what I

1970
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 1: do know, it's kind of like what you were saying

1971
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 1: with a new home rich, right, like you gotta have

1972
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:56,759
Speaker 1: something that's great about the home, Like everything can't be bad.

1973
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 1: You know, you're like this home sucks, right, Like if

1974
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:02,639
Speaker 1: you go into the home and you're like, man, this

1975
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: living room is money. This well all of a sudden,

1976
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 1: like the bathroom that's kind of messed up and the

1977
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,639
Speaker 1: other bedroom that's kind of weird, Like you can stomach

1978
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: it a lot better because this living room is freaking nice. Right, Yeah,

1979
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 1: That's the thing with QUESI is like if the quarterback

1980
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 1: situation is jacked up and the draft picks largely have

1981
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: been jacked up, it's like going to a new home

1982
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 1: and looking room by room and you're like, everything's kind

1983
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,679
Speaker 1: of bad, Like why do we have this home?

1984
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 5: You know?

1985
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 1: And that's what the Vikings looked at, I think, and

1986
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: they said it's time to make a move.

1987
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 4: And I also feel like the whole Kirk Cousins thing

1988
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 4: was kind of ham handed.

1989
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 3: You know.

1990
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 4: I really I feel like, like, don't get me wrong,

1991
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna sit here and give a big, long

1992
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 4: commentary on the delicacies of the personalities around the NFL

1993
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,680
Speaker 4: and you gotta treat people better, but like I just

1994
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 4: feel like it didn't it didn't feel overwhelmingly professional how

1995
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 4: everything happened there either, you know what I mean. Like

1996
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 4: it like there are certain organizations who button things up,

1997
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 4: or you know, maybe because the amount of success they have,

1998
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 4: they feel like they don't have to and and they

1999
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 4: move on from from people quite like you know, for example,

2000
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 4: you know, Cooper Cup recently was talking about how he

2001
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 4: feels some kind of way about the Rams and how

2002
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 4: some of the higher ranking people in the building you know,

2003
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 4: never really spoke to him on his way out the door,

2004
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 4: even though he had a tremendous impact on their success

2005
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 4: over his time there. He did single out that Sean

2006
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 4: McVay handled everything very with a great deal of class,

2007
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 4: but he didn't really love how some of the executives

2008
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 4: handled it. You know, the Rams, though, are an insanely

2009
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 4: successful team, the Vikings are not. So It's also like

2010
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 4: you want, if you are building the profile of a

2011
01:38:55,560 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 4: team who's not in like, geographically an extremely desirable location,

2012
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 4: you want to be player friendly in some ways. You

2013
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 4: want to make it seem like, hey, it's not an oasis.

2014
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 4: You know, you're not coming out here to put your

2015
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 4: feet up and you know, drink pina coladas, buy a

2016
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 4: pool in Tuloom.

2017
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 3: But like we're gonna treat you good.

2018
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 4: You're gonna be treated well here in Minnesota, So come

2019
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 4: out here, bear the freezing cold falls with us. We're

2020
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:27,600
Speaker 4: gonna win a ton of football games. And this is

2021
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 4: going to be a player first organization all of a sudden,

2022
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 4: that's a sales pitch that free agents are gonna perk

2023
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 4: their ears.

2024
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 3: Up about it.

2025
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 4: But Obviously, all of that starts with a quarterback. You know,

2026
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 4: people will come to Green Bay and play for Aaron

2027
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 4: Rodgers and Brett Fahr for years and years and years.

2028
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 3: You know, people will, you know.

2029
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 4: Blaze a path to Tom Brady's front door in Foxborough, Massachusetts,

2030
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 4: even though it's not South Beach Miami to play with

2031
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:55,679
Speaker 4: Tom Brady and get a championship. You know, they needed

2032
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 4: to get the quarterback right. So, going back to the

2033
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 4: original question, the thing that you said, Brian and I

2034
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:04,679
Speaker 4: think we both really agree on this. If he knocked

2035
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 4: it out of the park with JJ McCarthy, I think

2036
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 4: I think he still has a job.

2037
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 1: I do too, I agree real fast for each of us.

2038
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: Twenty four second shot o'clock a violation over here because

2039
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: it matters for the upcoming Super Bowl. It also matters

2040
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 1: for what we're talking about with the Vikings firing their GM.

2041
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 1: What's your stance on Donald heading into the Super Bowl?

2042
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: Are you a true believer in him? Are you a

2043
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 1: partial believer or are you a non believer? Where are

2044
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:32,919
Speaker 1: you on Donald?

2045
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 3: Partial believer?

2046
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 4: I think he's done enough this postseason to undo some

2047
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 4: of what we saw last year with the Vikings. I

2048
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 4: think this is a more stable team with more stable

2049
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 4: pieces around him, and I think the experience of last

2050
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 4: year has taught him something. But I do have some hesitations,

2051
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,759
Speaker 4: and I do still see some limitations with Sam Darnald,

2052
01:40:58,040 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 4: So I'm not all the way there, but I like

2053
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 4: what I've seen this postseason so far.

2054
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 5: Partial and I think it's the if I want to

2055
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:08,000
Speaker 5: use one number to kind of hammer it home, it's

2056
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 5: his ability to handle pressure. So sixty nine percent adjusted

2057
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 5: accuracy rate under pressure this year is his highest of

2058
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 5: his entire career. So the knock on him is when

2059
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 5: things get muddy, when he gets pressured, it all breaks down.

2060
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 5: He has done a better job handling pressure this year,

2061
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 5: and I think that's why I am starting to believe.

2062
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm a partial believer. I think i'd give him some

2063
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 1: credit for this season, especially a game against the Rams.

2064
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:36,760
Speaker 1: He was great, and we had injury questions about his oblique.

2065
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 1: But look, man, if you look at the whole season,

2066
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 1: he threw the same amount of touchdown passes as bo

2067
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 1: Nicks with twenty five. He threw three more interceptions than

2068
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 1: bow Knicks. You know, so like a true believer in

2069
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: the guy, because he diced up a bad ram secondary. No,

2070
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm not there. And so if you relate that to

2071
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 1: the Vikings firing their GM, like we're still after all

2072
01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 1: this all they're like, you should have signed sam Dar

2073
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 1: if you're really truthful, You're like, I'm still just a

2074
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 1: partial believer in the guys. That's kind of interesting how

2075
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 1: all that comes together?

2076
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 5: True?

2077
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:08,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, a good way to frame it.

2078
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. All right, We've got Rich Hornberger, Penn

2079
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 1: State All American, Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst. I'm Brian.

2080
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 10: No.

2081
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 1: Have you ever wiped with a dry piece of toilet

2082
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2083
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2086
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Speaker 1: clean pants down, all right? Coming up next, I can't

2087
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 1: believe this is an actual sports headline. Guys, I might,

2088
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,760
Speaker 1: I might turn callers. Coming up next, I'll try to

2089
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 1: use my inside voice. I will probably fail miserably. We'll

2090
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 1: see what the guys think about this one. Coming up,

2091
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:51,160
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2092
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2093
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2097
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Speaker 1: app so it'll always pop up at the top of

2106
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 1: your screen. Guys, I could not believe this is a headline. Okay,

2107
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 1: are you ready for this? The headline just reads this

2108
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 1: is the college basketball point shaving scheme, right, this is

2109
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 1: a big story a couple of weeks ago. So the

2110
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 1: headline is Kennesaw State head coach and Twin Petway blasts

2111
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:54,839
Speaker 1: predators who targeted his players in a point shaving scheme.

2112
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:59,679
Speaker 1: I read that numb, like, what what is he talking

2113
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:03,000
Speaker 1: about out right now? It's like, Rich, you're a parent,

2114
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 1: You're in the parking lot getting ready for eight and

2115
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 1: under basketball here right like this, you're the parent of

2116
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 1: the year. You could easily been like, listen, I'll be

2117
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: there at least by the second quarter. You know, I

2118
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: got to knock out this radio show duty calls. You're

2119
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 1: in the parking lot doing the show. That's how great

2120
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 1: of a parent you are. This is like a parent saying,

2121
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 1: these shady drug dealers had the nerve to offer my

2122
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 1: kids trusts. It's like, that's what shady drug dealers do.

2123
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 1: Do you live in the real world or not? Like,

2124
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: your job isn't to complain about shady drug dealers or

2125
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 1: shady predators who are preying on your players in a

2126
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 1: point shaving scheme. Your job is to prepare them for

2127
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 1: that happening. Okay, that's the way it goes. Your job

2128
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 1: isn't to be like, man, we got alcohol stores all over.

2129
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 1: There's so much temptation. It's like, your job is to

2130
01:44:56,360 --> 01:45:01,679
Speaker 1: prepare your kids to make the right choices to complain that. Listen,

2131
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 1: all this stuff's gonna be out there even more prevalently,

2132
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 1: Like there're gonna be point shaving schemes that hey, you

2133
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: want to make a quick thirty grand kid like that's

2134
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: what sports are turning into. Your job isn't to complain

2135
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 1: about that. Your job is to prepare them for that.

2136
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: Because your kids are going to be presented with bad

2137
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 1: options and the possibility is gonna exist for them to

2138
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:28,160
Speaker 1: make bad choices. You've got to prepare them for that

2139
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 1: instead of complaining about it. That is such a waste

2140
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 1: of time.

2141
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 3: It is a joke.

2142
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: This is just like a bad parent complaining about there's

2143
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,520
Speaker 1: a lot of temptation in the world. It's like, yeah,

2144
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 1: that's the way it works. You got to prepare your

2145
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 1: kids for that, instead of complaining about it. I can't

2146
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 1: believe that was an actual headline, and the quotes are

2147
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,639
Speaker 1: even worse. I can't believe he's saying this stuff.

2148
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2149
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about this is this is kind

2150
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 4: of a two part approach. He's trying to in some ways,

2151
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,880
Speaker 4: even though he even backtracked in the same statement, he's

2152
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:02,599
Speaker 4: trying to absolve his players of the things they did

2153
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 4: by making excuses like, you know, we're really focusing on

2154
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 4: the athlete instead of the predators who are trying to

2155
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 4: recruit these athletes into doing the wrong things that they

2156
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 4: obviously did. And you know, you get into a space where, yeah,

2157
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:22,680
Speaker 4: if you want to compare coaching to parenting, where if

2158
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 4: you make too many excuses too often for your kids,

2159
01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 4: your kids get used to the idea that whether they're

2160
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 4: right or wrong, you're going to have their back and

2161
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:36,720
Speaker 4: help them get out of it right. And you know,

2162
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 4: I had a dad who I really respect still and

2163
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 4: I think he did a good job. And one of

2164
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:46,760
Speaker 4: the things he always said to me once I was

2165
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 4: old enough to really understand stuff, you know, I was

2166
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,680
Speaker 4: in my later teen years as an adult, and now

2167
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 4: that I'm raising my own kids, he goes, you know,

2168
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 4: me and your mother we decided as young parents because

2169
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 4: they were that were gonna let you guys make mistakes

2170
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 4: that we think you should make like and and face

2171
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:08,720
Speaker 4: the consequences for those mistakes. So we weren't gonna do

2172
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 4: your homework for you. We were gonna let you guys

2173
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 4: fail tests, and we were gonna let you guys get detentions,

2174
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:17,640
Speaker 4: and we weren't gonna argue with teachers over you know,

2175
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 4: your your lateness. You know, whether it had you know,

2176
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,640
Speaker 4: anything to do with us or not. He was like,

2177
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:25,719
Speaker 4: we were going to let you guys face the music

2178
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 4: when you know it came to the really, the really,

2179
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 4: the stuff that in the grand scheme of life, it's

2180
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 4: not going to matter, like if I failed a math

2181
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 4: test in sixth grade or I failed a mid term

2182
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:44,600
Speaker 4: in eighth grade. You know, but at the time it's everything,

2183
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:47,080
Speaker 4: you know, it's your whole world is going to school

2184
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 4: and do the So it's like, we're gonna let you

2185
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 4: have those failures and have those mistakes in those moments

2186
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 4: to learn from so that you can be better prepared

2187
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:58,960
Speaker 4: for the geez, you know, the the tumble cycle that

2188
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 4: is the rest of your life in the world.

2189
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 3: We live in.

2190
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 4: And so I think when you get in the way

2191
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:09,799
Speaker 4: of allowing your players to take the accountability they deserve,

2192
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:13,439
Speaker 4: you're sending the wrong message. And then the other thing

2193
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:16,519
Speaker 4: is the way he framed all this. Look, I support

2194
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 4: some of what he said. I think you do need

2195
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 4: to go after some bad actors here who are responsible

2196
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 4: for lwering young athletes, impressionable athletes into doing the wrong thing,

2197
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 4: especially when it comes to sports betting and stuff like that,

2198
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 4: or point shaving whatever it may be. Like, you have

2199
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 4: to go after those people. But the only way you

2200
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 4: can find drug dealers, for example, is if you pop

2201
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 4: a couple of people who bought drugs, you know what

2202
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,519
Speaker 4: I mean, Like you find it. You know, you arrest

2203
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 4: a couple of people who are in possession or you know,

2204
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 4: if things that are elicted or doing illsted activities, and.

2205
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 3: He say, hey, where'd you get this from?

2206
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:58,680
Speaker 4: And then you go up the daisy train until you

2207
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:02,640
Speaker 4: find the supplier, right, you know, So the low level offenders,

2208
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 4: if that's what we want to call the athlete, you know,

2209
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 4: you know, the person who's at the bottom of the

2210
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 4: scheme in this this whole thing that they're not the

2211
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 4: tip of the spear. They're literally the people who are

2212
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 4: just carrying the bag at the end of this deal.

2213
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:20,759
Speaker 4: You have to you have to talk to them first

2214
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,599
Speaker 4: so that you can figure out who talk to them

2215
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 4: and then find out who's in charge of all of this.

2216
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:29,560
Speaker 4: Otherwise you're never going to fix the problem. So I

2217
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 4: kind of agree with you, Brian, like I feel like

2218
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 4: this there were some good messages here, but the delivery

2219
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 4: was way off.

2220
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 7: Well the source.

2221
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously you feel bad for a kid who

2222
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,040
Speaker 5: gets taken advantage of, and make no mistake, they were

2223
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:47,559
Speaker 5: taken advantage of by this situation. But then you also

2224
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 5: have to have accountability where it's like, Okay, I got

2225
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 5: taken advantage of by this situation, but who's to really

2226
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 5: to blame? Who was the one who made the final

2227
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 5: decision to accept it was, you know.

2228
01:49:58,640 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 7: Thousand dollar.

2229
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 1: It's like anybody not life changing money, and.

2230
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 7: Maybe did is kid at age eighteen?

2231
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:06,479
Speaker 5: It is, but in the grand scheme of life, not

2232
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 5: life changing money, you know, you have to take accountability

2233
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:11,800
Speaker 5: for that action. You know what it reminds me of

2234
01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 5: in a weird twisted way. It reminds me of the

2235
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 5: Sharon More situation where after it all went down he

2236
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:21,600
Speaker 5: blamed her. He's like, well, you ruined my life, Like

2237
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 5: you went to her house after she ousted the relationship, right,

2238
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:27,519
Speaker 5: I don't want to, you know, uncover all the details again,

2239
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 5: go back and read the story. But after the relationship

2240
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:34,680
Speaker 5: was ousted by you know, her Cherrol Moore went to

2241
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 5: her apartment and.

2242
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 7: It's like, you ruined my life.

2243
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 5: Like, no, actually, you ruined your own life, Sharon, because

2244
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:43,240
Speaker 5: you're the one that allowed this to happen. And that

2245
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:45,879
Speaker 5: is the accountability that we just don't have a society.

2246
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:48,760
Speaker 5: It is so I see this every I saw on

2247
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 5: a much lesser level. I see this on social media

2248
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:55,639
Speaker 5: in the gambling world, where people will blame other people

2249
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 5: for something that happened, like you missed that free throw,

2250
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 5: which is why I lost the bet okay, But who

2251
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:05,719
Speaker 5: actually placed the bet right, who clicks submit on the wager?

2252
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 5: That guy who missed the free throw that caused you

2253
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:11,880
Speaker 5: to lose. That's not the guy that was holding some

2254
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:13,640
Speaker 5: kind of weapon to your head and said you have

2255
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 5: to bet on me today. Like, no, you of your

2256
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 5: own free will clicked the button and said, I'm betting

2257
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 5: on this.

2258
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 1: The result is the result, and you.

2259
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:24,719
Speaker 7: Have to take accountability for that result.

2260
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:29,559
Speaker 5: So whoever you know, convinced these kids to do this, Yes,

2261
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 5: maybe they are the culprit, They are really the bad

2262
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 5: actor here, But at the end of the day, you

2263
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 5: have to take accountability for your own actions. And that's

2264
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:41,320
Speaker 5: the part of the message that I don't think Antoine

2265
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:44,200
Speaker 5: Petway really hammered home. He talked a lot about what

2266
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 5: the other people were doing to cause his players to

2267
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 5: take this deal and to you know, shave these points,

2268
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:53,680
Speaker 5: but didn't quite hammer the point home where you know what,

2269
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, it was my players

2270
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:57,880
Speaker 5: that made the decision to do this and they have

2271
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:00,719
Speaker 5: to live with the results of their actions.

2272
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:03,479
Speaker 1: Very well said both of you guys. And that's the

2273
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:07,600
Speaker 1: key word right there, Jared, that you're stressing is accountability.

2274
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 1: And it wasn't framed with listen, guys, my players messed

2275
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:15,760
Speaker 1: up or I messed up not preparing my players for

2276
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:19,000
Speaker 1: this another really happening, right, Yeah, you got to frame

2277
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:24,600
Speaker 1: it with accepting responsibility, like accountability here, right, And it

2278
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 1: was just like they did this, they these guys, these

2279
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 1: bad actors, they prayed upon my player of them them

2280
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 1: them them that. It's like, no, dude, it's you. It's you,

2281
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:35,679
Speaker 1: and it's also your players. They didn't have to say, yes,

2282
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,920
Speaker 1: they made a bad choice. That's what's going to happen

2283
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:40,799
Speaker 1: in life. Bad people are going to present bad offers

2284
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 1: for you to make bad choices. Welcome to life, one

2285
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:47,320
Speaker 1: oh one. And you got to prepare either your players

2286
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:49,919
Speaker 1: or if you're a parent, your kids for that happening.

2287
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 1: But this is one of his quotes, it's just all

2288
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:54,599
Speaker 1: it's them them them them them them, that's all it is.

2289
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:57,840
Speaker 1: You're a predator online and you're reaching out to them,

2290
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:00,720
Speaker 1: getting these dudes to mess up. He's talking about, you know,

2291
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 1: the shady Hey a, you want to take a you

2292
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 1: want thirty g's for, you know, shave some points. So

2293
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 1: he's talking about his players, right, they're praying on his

2294
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 1: players because there's a lot of dudes on that list

2295
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:15,479
Speaker 1: that I feel bad for that they've got a long

2296
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:18,599
Speaker 1: road ahead of them because in the dark, a grown

2297
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:21,400
Speaker 1: up reached out to them and led them down the

2298
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 1: wrong path. It's like, bro, wake up. Like they didn't

2299
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:29,759
Speaker 1: have to say yes, They didn't have to say thirty

2300
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:34,840
Speaker 1: g's absolutely, like they could have said no, I'm good. No,

2301
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:38,680
Speaker 1: things like if they're prepared, if they're making the right decisions,

2302
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:41,160
Speaker 1: we're not talking about this story at all. So you

2303
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:44,479
Speaker 1: have to accept some responsibility. And there was none of that.

2304
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:47,679
Speaker 1: It was all them, them, them bad actors, grownups leading

2305
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:50,640
Speaker 1: these poor kids down the wrong path. It's like, no,

2306
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 1: they walked down that path. They chose to walk down

2307
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 1: that wrong path. So accept some responsibility for that instead

2308
01:53:57,160 --> 01:54:00,599
Speaker 1: of making it all about these shady grownups. Shady grown

2309
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:02,720
Speaker 1: ups in life. You've got to prepare your kids for that.

2310
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, Brian, It's it's really one of

2311
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 4: those things where if he would have led with we

2312
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:13,720
Speaker 4: talk to our players about personal responsibility and accountability for

2313
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 4: your decision making all the time. And I've already spoken

2314
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:20,040
Speaker 4: to my players and they know where they've went wrong,

2315
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:23,280
Speaker 4: and they know that this is something we've discussed yea,

2316
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:26,799
Speaker 4: and they're gonna have to face the consequences for their actions.

2317
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:29,759
Speaker 1: There you go. You're framing it with accountability that I'm great,

2318
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:30,519
Speaker 1: I'm sold.

2319
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,880
Speaker 4: Yes, if you want to move on to but hey,

2320
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 4: I want to use this opportunity totally shine light onto

2321
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:39,720
Speaker 4: this other part of it.

2322
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, by all.

2323
01:54:41,240 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 4: Means, but you gotta lead with the lead here, which

2324
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 4: is my player screwed up.

2325
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:48,160
Speaker 3: I screwed up, and we take full accountability.

2326
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 5: Totally agree there, definitely, and this will, like this incident,

2327
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:56,600
Speaker 5: will continue to shine light on what's happening because I

2328
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:59,640
Speaker 5: do think the most vulnerable athletes right now for these

2329
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:03,200
Speaker 5: types of scandals are mid major college bass complete layers.

2330
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:06,080
Speaker 1: They're not getting the big nil dollars exactly.

2331
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:08,680
Speaker 7: So that is part of the message.

2332
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 5: It is, man, we are raising a generation of young

2333
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 5: men that are vulnerable to.

2334
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:15,560
Speaker 7: This type of behavior.

2335
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:18,960
Speaker 5: These guys made a terrible decision that will impact the

2336
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 5: rest of their lives, and they are going to learn

2337
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 5: from that, and we need to hold them accountable for that.

2338
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 5: But now that we are past the actual bomb of

2339
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 5: it being dropped and everyone knows what's happening, now let's

2340
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:32,919
Speaker 5: focus on how we can prevent this again from happening.

2341
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 7: So it is definitely a key part.

2342
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 3: He just went with the zoos first.

2343
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 5: He forgot about the first part of it, the conductor

2344
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 5: of the train, the actual person making the decisions, and

2345
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 5: he just went right to the caboose.

2346
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:47,760
Speaker 7: Well, you gotta shine a little light on the.

2347
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 1: Front of it first. Great points, man, that was a

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Speaker 1: great discussion. You know, I feel like one two three

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Speaker 1: team we need that at the end. Very well done

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Speaker 1: we got some picks to make.

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Speaker 7: Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Rapid fire.

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Speaker 1: All right, share it off of smoking hot throw in

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Speaker 1: rapid fire last week.

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Speaker 5: What do you have for us this week? We're gonna

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01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:16,920
Speaker 5: go six and zero on the Super Bowl. I will

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01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:18,760
Speaker 5: give you three picks this week, three picks next week.

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Speaker 5: All I've got plenty of props to use for the

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01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. I'm gonna make you wait right. You're gonna

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Speaker 5: have to be a little patient here, but we'll start

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01:58:25,120 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 5: with the highest scoring half. The second half plus overtime

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Speaker 5: is minus one twenty at at MGM.

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Speaker 3: Love this wager.

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01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:34,920
Speaker 5: It's eighteen and eight in the last twenty six Super Bowls.

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01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 5: It's almost a seventy percent hit rate. You want to

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01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:38,880
Speaker 5: go second half over first half under that's fine too,

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01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:41,440
Speaker 5: but for the purses of this bet second half and

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01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:44,680
Speaker 5: overtime to have more points than the first minus one

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01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 5: twenty Kenneth Walker over twenty and a half receiving yards

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01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:49,840
Speaker 5: we hit this last week, given us pretty much the

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01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:51,960
Speaker 5: same number. I'm going right back to the well here.

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01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 5: I bet it earlier at minus one thirty. It's up

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01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:55,040
Speaker 5: to minus one forty five.

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Speaker 7: Now it's kind of.

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Speaker 5: Borderline for us on rapid fire, but I'll give it

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Speaker 5: to you because it's the Super Bowl and I love

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Speaker 5: this angle. I think Kenneth Walker with Sharboney out, he

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01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 5: has been a much more important part of the passing game.

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01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:09,600
Speaker 5: He is thirteenth in yards per route run amongst all

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Speaker 5: players receivers tight ends everyone in the playoffs. AJ Barner

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01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:16,120
Speaker 5: twenty five or more receiving yards go to the receiving

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01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:18,920
Speaker 5: yards plus sign right, you can go over under, but

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Speaker 5: this is a better price if you go in the

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Speaker 5: twenty five plus category for a J.

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Speaker 7: Barner second amongst tight.

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Speaker 5: Ends in the playoffs in routes run against zone coverage

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Speaker 5: behind just Colston Lovelin. Barner's been a big piece of

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Speaker 5: this Seahawks offense, and I think they're going to try

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Speaker 5: to take away JSN. Don't point trust Cooper Cup. I

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Speaker 5: think Barner might be a big piece of the receiving

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Speaker 5: game as well. So Barner and Walker over in the

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Speaker 5: receiving yard. Props second half to have the most points.

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Speaker 4: All right, live from the front seat of the Toyota outside.

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Speaker 3: Of a MCA gym for eight and under basketball.

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Speaker 1: From the rafore, let's go yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'll give you the handicap on that action in a second,

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Speaker 4: but let me give you my three rapid fire first

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Speaker 4: Texas A and M at Georgia. I'm going all totals here,

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Speaker 4: all college hoops today. This is at one seventy two

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Speaker 4: and a half. This has tracked me written all over this.

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Speaker 4: Possessions per game Georgia number two in the country and

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Speaker 4: and M number thirteen in the country. Points per game

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Speaker 4: Georgia number one A and M number three. This just

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Speaker 4: screams auto over bid for me. All right, big ten action.

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Speaker 4: We got Ohio State at Wisconsin. I'm also taking the

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Speaker 4: over here. The totals at one fifty five and a half.

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Speaker 4: Both teams play with the tremendous amount of pace. Both

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Speaker 4: offenses really productive. Wisco hits a ton of threes. Really

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Speaker 4: efficient Ohio State team in the paint, they get a

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Speaker 4: lot of those two pointers.

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Speaker 3: That percentage is way up as a team.

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Speaker 4: Then moving on to at Creighton, my only under right

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Speaker 4: now the number I have is one forty three and

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Speaker 4: a half. I would take the under up to one

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Speaker 4: forty one and a half because Crayton missing some key

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Speaker 4: pieces Yukon elite defense, So I will take the under

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Speaker 4: on the total on Yukon Creighton. I'll take the over

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Speaker 4: on Ohio State, Wisco, Texas A and M at Georgia.

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Speaker 4: And I am taking the Mission Valley SuperSonics plus.

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Speaker 3: One and a half and on the money line.

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Speaker 1: Let's go now, I was I was thinking about using

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Speaker 1: a jerk tactic here, okay, and I thought better of it.

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Speaker 1: I've clinched the number one spot congratulation our football things here,

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Speaker 1: so I could I could lose out like in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl and still be okay. So I thought about

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Speaker 1: going with nothing shorter than ten to one odds for

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Speaker 1: all my superposh so I could have bragging rides. Remember

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Speaker 1: when I won that one year and I hit a

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Speaker 1: ten to one long shot. I'm not gonna do that though.

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Speaker 1: These are the picks I'm just you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to anger the betting guys. I like Drake May

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Speaker 1: under thirty seven and a half rushing yards facing a

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Speaker 1: lot of zone coverage, not as many opportunities for big

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Speaker 1: runs Drake May over nineteen and a half complete. We

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Speaker 1: talked about this earlier. He thrives against own defenses and

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Speaker 1: gimme Jackson Smith and Jigba under ninety three and a

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Speaker 1: half receiving yards kind of lived dangerously