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Speaker 1: Mute force. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, Military Nails on

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Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys in the community.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on? This is rad the host of

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Speaker 2: SOFTWAP Radio and I have a super awesome stoked episode today.

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Speaker 2: But before I introduce my next guest, I gotta tell

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Speaker 2: you I appreciate you checking out the merch store. We've

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Speaker 2: been shipping stuff out to you. We love you picking

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Speaker 2: up the branded softwarep radio goods. Like I say, it

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Speaker 2: keeps the gas place going. So we can keep the

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Speaker 2: show going for you, so I can bring awesome guests

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Speaker 2: and author about who I'm going to talk to in

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Speaker 2: just a second. But I want to mention our book club.

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Speaker 2: So soft rep dot com forward slash book hyphen Club.

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Speaker 2: We have that book club. Brandon Webb and the guys

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Speaker 2: and gals have put all the time and effort into

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Speaker 2: putting a book club together for you. Go check it out.

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Speaker 2: Read a book, read a band book, Just read a book,

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Speaker 2: read a book. Okay?

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Speaker 3: Amen? Brother?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Amen? And who that is who is on the

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Speaker 2: video who you hear in the background is none other

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Speaker 2: than Eric Blem. Eric Blem, Welcome to the show Soft

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Speaker 2: Rep Radio.

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Speaker 3: So stoked to be here, So stoke.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to give you a quote from somebody

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Speaker 2: real quick about you, and it's Eric Blem offers an

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Speaker 2: insightful perspective on how Craig Kelly became the effortless icon

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Speaker 2: that we all revered, as well as sobering details of

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Speaker 2: how his heroic journey tragically ended. The Darkest White is

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Speaker 2: a must read, not just for fans of snowboarding, but

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Speaker 2: for anyone looking for inspiration from an unlikely hero. Tony Hawk,

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Speaker 2: professional skateboarder, wrote that quote about the book that we're

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Speaker 2: here to talk about, which is The Darkest White, and

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Speaker 2: to precursor that, like Star Wars, okay, how they go backwards. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you also have a book called Fearless that's been out

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Speaker 2: and that really took off top ten biopic. You know,

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Speaker 2: you wrote about Adam Brown and the heroics that happened

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Speaker 2: and he ultimately succumbed to the injuries. Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Correct? It was. It was a redemption story.

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Speaker 4: He was killed in combat, putting himself in the line

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Speaker 4: of fire to keep his brother safe and accomplish a mission.

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Speaker 3: And it's a yeah, it's a it's.

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Speaker 4: A story that has resonated with so many walks of

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Speaker 4: life because it is a redempt story. It's kind of

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Speaker 4: like the Prodigal Sun meets Sealed Team six meets train Spotting,

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Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to confuse my viewer or my

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Speaker 2: listener that there's multiple things going on here in this intro. Okay,

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Speaker 2: First of all, we got Eric blem on the on

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Speaker 2: the line, all right, and he was the editor of

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Speaker 2: trans World Snowboarding editor in chief, right.

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Speaker 3: Yep, once upon a time in the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Time that was my bible, okay, and my god. I

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Speaker 2: had a skate shop when I was thirteen years old

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Speaker 2: in Leyton, Utah. And I carried Transworld skate and snow

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Speaker 2: and I got the dealer issues. And I would always

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Speaker 2: and go Utah Layton Skateboard Village. Boom. I'm in this

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Speaker 4: Are you talking about transwrow snowboarding business, the business pubs too,

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Speaker 4: the trade wise as well?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so well there was the shop. I just have

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Speaker 2: See. I went to SIA when I was seventeen in Vegas. See,

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Speaker 2: so that was like, I'm forty six now, so ninety.

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Speaker 4: I was finishing college in ninety three, and during that

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Speaker 4: final year of SDSU Journalism school, I was hired as

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Speaker 4: the managing editor of Snowboarding Business. So I put together

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Speaker 4: and I'm so stoked to hear somebody out there actually

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Speaker 2: I did. I love it. I just want you to

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Speaker 2: got friends in the specops community, Eric, and I know

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Speaker 2: my listener wants to listen to you, and I'm fan

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Speaker 2: boying over you, bro. But Brandon Webb, who runs this,

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Speaker 2: you know, former Navy seal sniper, he's going to see.

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Speaker 4: I know Brandon and read his you know, his early

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Speaker 2: I love that he's getting ready to go to Shamanee.

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Speaker 2: And before COVID hit, he went and did Big Mountain

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Speaker 4: It's like I'm I'm squeezed in by the memories and

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Speaker 2: I love that. And so you went to college. Huh,

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Speaker 2: and what did you chase in college? What was that exactly?

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Speaker 3: Worked at a ski shop, rode one hundred and.

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Speaker 4: You know, where's the best place to grab a bike?

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Speaker 3: Write a story and I have all, what a scam.

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Speaker 4: And Transworld, I found out, was just an ocean side

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Speaker 3: You probably I got the magazine right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a few years, right, and forgive me.

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Speaker 2: I should have kept all these things of nostalgia from

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Speaker 2: Aaron sitting behind the shop one day and it's like

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Speaker 2: B or something like Girl Skateboards and so and so

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Speaker 2: and it's signed by Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth, and

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Speaker 2: to find what brand I can purchase to have in

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Speaker 2: my area. It's because of you, bro, trans World transformed

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 5: I will tell Peggy Cousins and Larry Balma and Louise

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Speaker 5: Grant Britain, Dave Swift, all these names, skin Phillips.

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Speaker 4: I mean, all these people would love to hear that.

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Speaker 4: who you know, the guy did the fifty project that

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00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 4: you know, writing all the fifty best ski lines in the.

436
00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 3: World, and he's working on that amazing skier, nicest guy

437
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 3: in the world.

438
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 4: And I came to find out that his dad wrote

439
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,239
Speaker 4: a Craig Kelly are I sent him. I sent him

440
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 4: a copy of the book a while back, and he said,

441
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 4: you know, I think what would move on the early

442
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 4: generation where my parents were both snowboarders, and I rebelled

443
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 4: and said I want to ski, and and now he's like,

444
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 4: you know, one of the most amazing world.

445
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 2: I can't laugh at that. I started as a skier

446
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: at Powder Mountain here in Utah, and with my skate shop,

447
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: I was like, I gotta get on the snow first.

448
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: I started as a cross country skier. I wanted to

449
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: do the biathlon, so my father encouraged that and would

450
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 2: train me to do cross country ski by athlon and

451
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 2: he wanted to see me do it, so he's like,

452
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 2: let's go do it. And then I liked the downhill

453
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 2: part of skiing, and so I started downhill skiing, got

454
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: some K two's and I bought my own boots, my

455
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 2: own Nordica's psych hustling, and then I started riding at

456
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 2: Powder Mountain and I'm sitting on the night ski lift

457
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: and as we're going up at Powdered Mountain, I look

458
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: over and there's a bonfire and I just see these

459
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: snowboarders wearing surreals. Bro and he's just like up the stairs.

460
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: He's like, I'll be right there, Bro, up the stairs.

461
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, I want to walk like that.

462
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to wear robocot boots. Yeah,

463
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 2: dead or alive. You're coming with me? Here, I come.

464
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Dude, It's like I can't run.

465
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: So from then on, I wrote a Burton split tail

466
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: board that I had in my skate shop. That was

467
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 2: I was trying to sell, but nobody wanted it because

468
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: it was too old school.

469
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 4: Was probably a Burton Elite black and red. Maybe it

470
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 4: was yellow yellow, Oh, the yellow with like the pinky

471
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 4: weird whatever it was lee tail. Yep, I remember, I

472
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 4: know exactly the board.

473
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and having a skate shop allowed me access to

474
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 2: people like getting rid of stuff that they didn't know

475
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: they wanted, you know, back in the day. And I

476
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: remember I had like this Burton twin tip demo board.

477
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 2: It said demo in the bottom of the p tex stuff. Yeah,

478
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 2: well I'll sell that.

479
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 4: Well I'm just I mean, thirteen years old to be

480
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 4: the entrepreneur and want to open a shop and stoke

481
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 4: you know, you know, you probably I don't know, they

482
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 4: probably weren't a lot of skaters, or maybe there were

483
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: a lot of skaters, but there wasn't a shop.

484
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 3: But whatever it was, dude, thirteen year old entrepreneur.

485
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 4: You need to meet Ken Auchenbach and have him on

486
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 4: your show someday because he opens the first snowboard shop

487
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 4: in Calgary out of his parents' garage.

488
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: That's basically a wee could talk, you know. I started

489
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 2: selling grilled cheese sandwiches because kids were selling lemonade, and

490
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: I would sell them for two bucks. And then my

491
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: dad had a vending machine in his armory because he

492
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: was an army guy, and he's like, well, I'm gonna

493
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: feed all my guys when they come to drill, so

494
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: I'll have a coke machine and a vending machine. And

495
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 2: so we had some stuff in the garage and I

496
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: would bring it outside and sell it, and i'd sell

497
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: it right there on the corner and the kids would

498
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: come and buy it from me. My dad's like, how

499
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: much money did you make today? I was like thirty

500
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: six bucks. He's like how much bread do you use?

501
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 2: And I was like the whole loaf. He's like how

502
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: much melvida? How much melvida? I was like, I don't know,

503
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 2: maybe like half the brick of elvida. And he's like,

504
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: well that costs four dollars, okay. And I was like

505
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: all right, and he started busting out how much electricity cost,

506
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 2: and how much the house that I lived in that,

507
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: how's the food cost? And then he started telling me

508
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 2: about you know, how much I made, and he's like,

509
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: what'd you sell the diet cokes for? I said two

510
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: for a dollar. Everything was fifty cents in the Vendom machine.

511
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 2: It changed to sixty cents and I didn't realize it,

512
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: and at the time it was breaking everyone's dollars, you

513
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

514
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: You can't buy anything out of a venue machine for

515
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: less than two bucks.

516
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: Now, no, So I had to pay him back for

517
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: the diet cokes and the Velveta, but he said I

518
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: made enough off the bread that he let me keep it.

519
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: And that's how I actually got my cross country ski poles.

520
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: It was by hustling for money and he wanted to

521
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: see me earn it, and that's how I got my

522
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: in Ordica ski boots. Was hustling and then I said, hey, Dad,

523
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: right here, there's a uh this distributor, Smoot Hill Distribution.

524
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 2: It's called smoot Hill out of la Or California. I

525
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: was like, let me fill this out and get me

526
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: a business license. And he looked at me, and he's like,

527
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: all right, So I took my one hundred dollars that

528
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: I had saved up in my little cash register, gave

529
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: it to him. He got me a business license, and

530
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: then I applied to Smoot Hill and I started getting

531
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: in skateboard but I couldn't afford a roll of tape.

532
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: It was like eighty something bucks and I can afford

533
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: like two skateboard decks. So I just started flipping skateboards.

534
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 2: And then they'd go to the other skate shop that's

535
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: in Ogden and he's like, where are you getting all

536
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: these skateboards because he's grip taping them. He's not selling

537
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: on the board, just the grip tape because I didn't

538
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: have it. Yeah, but all my homies in the area

539
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: were like, I'm buying ree boys skateboards from his garage.

540
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: And so next thing, you know, my dad's like, we

541
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: need to get you a little shop, and so we

542
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: it's not my shows.

543
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 4: What a great story, No, I mean, listen, I mean

544
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 4: that's kind of I love story.

545
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 3: I love people's stories. And that's and.

546
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: So how you transitioning from snowboarding to military. My dad

547
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: was fully supportive of that same culture. He was a

548
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: Green Beret. He saw the whole awesome snowboarding, skiing, downhill,

549
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: Nordic crossover. You know, he trained me in it.

550
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's not I mean a lot of people

551
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 4: they don't get it. They're like, where, where, how did

552
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 4: this happen? And for me, you know, I, first of all,

553
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 4: I always understood the wisdom of older people, and I

554
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: would always listen to stories, and I was always interested

555
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 4: in military history.

556
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 3: And what really did the turn for me? Is?

557
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: I mean after I after I graduated, after I worked

558
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 4: for transport for many years and you know, saw the

559
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 4: world went freelance and started. I wrote my first book

560
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 4: called The Last Season, which was more kind of like

561
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 4: a It's a story of a backcountry ranger who went

562
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 4: missing while on patrol. He was a guy who everybody

563
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 4: went to when someone went missing, and then one day

564
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 4: he went missing and they had to find him. It's

565
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 4: a great it's an awesome story. Again, The Last Season,

566
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 4: it's uh call. It's takes place in Sequoia Kings Canyon

567
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 4: National Park and it kind of tells the story backstory

568
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 4: of the history of national parks and seasonal park rangers

569
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 4: they called you know, they called them. I think they

570
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 4: called them like three month wonders or things because they

571
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 4: would worked just that season area time of year. But anyways,

572
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 4: so there was that book and then uh nine to

573
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 4: eleven happened, and around that same period of time, I

574
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 4: always again loved military history.

575
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: I had a neighbor who was a Vietnam VET when

576
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: I was a kid.

577
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 4: I was the last key kid, so I would go

578
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 4: and toss the football around with him. He would show

579
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 4: me his old photo albums. He showed me this shot

580
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 4: I remember one time of a helmet that I actually

581
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: I didn't have one. I got all sorts of crap

582
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 4: here because I like it, but I mean, I love

583
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: it even I have a you know, old school Vietnam

584
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 4: era help it. And he had a picture of his

585
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: that had a huge dent on the side where he

586
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 4: had been side swiped by by a friendly fire by

587
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: a missile and that's what took him out of the war.

588
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 4: But he had been a tunnel rap who was the

589
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 4: guy that went in with the you know, the pistol,

590
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 4: And you tell me all these stories and I was

591
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: just rapped by it. And so my mom and dad

592
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 4: they subscribed to Time Life books and I read the

593
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 4: whole history of the Vietnam War, you know, tet offensive

594
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 4: and you know the military zone and the you know

595
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 4: Cambodia and the Hochiman Trail. I mean, I learned all

596
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 4: this stuff at a very young age. It was fascinated

597
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: by it and read the Battle of Midway. So I

598
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 4: had that base of respecting the military, loving the history,

599
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 4: loving the stories, and then saving Private Ryan came out

600
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 4: and Band of Brothers and the kind of the storyline

601
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: that was going with those movies and.

602
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: Those shows and things with the World War two vetts.

603
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 4: At that point, we're getting old and a lot of

604
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 4: them didn't talk about it, and a lot of their

605
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 4: stories were dying with them. And so fast forward to

606
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: after nine to eleven, I just you know, looked at

607
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 4: what was going on. I've been telling these adventure stories

608
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: and snowboarding and having a good time, enjoying this life

609
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 4: we have in America, right, and I thought, you know,

610
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: the War on Terror happened. I got married three days

611
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 4: after nine to eleven. It was like a celebration, you know,

612
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 4: it was kind of like the ultimate few to terrorism.

613
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: No life goes on. We've got this wedding plan and

614
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: we're going to party and.

615
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 4: I just thought, you know, this is our this is

616
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: history happening right now, and this is our current, this

617
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: is our current, greatest generation. And a lot of people,

618
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: these guys are coming back and women, and they're not

619
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: talking about it either. You know, it's war, it's shitty

620
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: and yeah, and so I just do yeah, And so

621
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 4: I just thought, what can I do?

622
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: What's my part in this? I didn't serve the military

623
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: at that point.

624
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 4: I mean at the age when I would have wanted to,

625
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: I was so far from wanting to do that. But

626
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: I always had a great respect for it. I always

627
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 4: say thank you for your service when I see somebody.

628
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 4: And I know some people can have a problem with

629
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 4: that whatever, but I'm sorry when I see old guys

630
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 4: with their caps on and their you know whatever, but

631
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 4: you know shift they were on or whatever. I walk

632
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: up and my kids see you walk up. And one

633
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: of the proudest moments is not too longo. Like, you know,

634
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: my sixteen year old daughter, when she was probably thirteen,

635
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: at an airport, walked up on her own to this

636
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: old gentleman and then sitting down with a hat and

637
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: thanking for a service.

638
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: And I thought, what a moment.

639
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: The fact that you said, we live in America and

640
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: you get to do all this is like, what the

641
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: thank you? I think that service members are cool with

642
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 2: bro the fact that you said, we live in America,

643
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: we get to do this. Yeah, we live here.

644
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: It's and also, I mean, you look at this whole community.

645
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but I have I've traveled around the world.

646
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 4: I've snowboarded in Iran. I've been to Russia and snowboarding

647
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 4: and skiing and skateboarding.

648
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: All these companies started in like America.

649
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 4: They and those guys, I've talked to them, and they're

650
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: and they and the and that I have a great skier,

651
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 4: addicted most diehard skier ever that lived in the in

652
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: the projects outside of Moscow.

653
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: And he would always just say, I you know, we didn't.

654
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 4: Have companies because their leaders are free, couldn't make this

655
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: happen anyway.

656
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: We can say, that's how it is. They get to

657
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: say what they want. Yeah.

658
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 4: Oh, he always tell me their subways and their infrastructure

659
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 4: is beautiful, marble statues, amazing. I took the Trans Siberian

660
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 4: Railway from China through Manchiia all the way across Siberia

661
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 4: to Moscow with my girlfriend at the time of wife

662
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 4: now and got to experience some of that, and a

663
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: lot of kids haven't been able to do that.

664
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: No, you're not. I still see you seem to move

665
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: it for me, So.

666
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: That's an issue, are you okay? Okay okay.

667
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: So anyways, going back to why I decided to write

668
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 4: these stories, that was really it. I really decided to

669
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 4: write these stories, these military stories, because I figured that's

670
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: my part in all this. I can tell the stories.

671
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 4: I can do it, you know, being a fairly moderate.

672
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: Not that they moderate exists anymore.

673
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: You're not. You're either fast, you're far right or far left.

674
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: There's no like, you can't be just like.

675
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: There's no in between. But but I thought of myself.

676
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: I thought of myself as being pretty moderate. But I

677
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: also thought of myself as someone who I just want

678
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 4: to tell the story from the perspective of the guys

679
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 4: and or women on the ground. And that's what I

680
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: wanted to do. That's what I endeavored to do, and

681
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: I thought, this is how I can honor and be,

682
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 4: you know, do something for my places. So I stepped

683
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 4: away from all that fun and actresss whatever, and I'm

684
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: going to find a story to tell that will document

685
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 4: our current generations of warriors.

686
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: And it started with the only thing We're dying for.

687
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: I went and sat in on a class of at

688
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: the time of the major, but after nine to eleven

689
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: he was a captain of an Oda five seven four

690
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: Jason Amern found out that he had been the military advisor.

691
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: For Hamid Karzai president and who became the president.

692
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the most I look back and I'm my way,

693
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: this is the most geopolitically significant SF mission probably of

694
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 4: all time, because that is what they do, right. They

695
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 4: go in, they foment a rebellion among a group, overthrow

696
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 4: whatever the.

697
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: Bad guys, which I agree were the bad guys.

698
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 4: The Taliban were bad guys for sure, and within the

699
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 4: postumee he wanted he was. They went into the south.

700
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 4: Everybody else, the original horseholders went in with the Northern Alliance,

701
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 4: and they went in with standing armies of you know,

702
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 4: people who were warriors. They had been fighting the mujah

703
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: haden early on against Russia and everything. He went in

704
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: with this unknown statesman and basically when once they found

705
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: out this small under strength, ohda, there's only eleven instead

706
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: of twelve, they went in and.

707
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: There was a you're talking about horse that's what you're

708
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: talking about.

709
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm talking this is This is the group

710
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 4: I rode about within the South. They're all considered the

711
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: horsemen that era because they went in, But these guys

712
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: didn't ride horses.

713
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: They were in the South and they rode trust I.

714
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Was going to say, I interviewed the commander of the horseman,

715
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: who was the guy that taught them how to ride

716
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: the horses?

717
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, there's totally anyways, that was my

718
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 4: first deal.

719
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: I went in. I met this guy. He was teaching

720
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: at west Point.

721
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 4: He was teaching Arabic at West Point, and she kind

722
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: of liked the fact that I was not a New

723
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 4: York Times or Wall Street journal like political writer. I

724
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 4: had no I had no spin, I had no angle,

725
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 4: I had nothing going Paul political.

726
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 3: I just said I want to tell the story. And

727
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 3: he had read my book the.

728
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 4: Last Season, and he thought it was cool that I

729
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 4: was a snowboarder and worked for a snowbeary magazine. And

730
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: he said, if you go and talked to the family

731
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 4: members of the guys on my team who did not survive,

732
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: and they're into letting you tell the story, he said,

733
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 4: I'll tell you everything I can, you know, aside from

734
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 4: TTP's and whatever. And he had kept scrupulous notes of

735
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 4: his conversation with Carsie and everything I did.

736
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: Daniel H.

737
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 4: Pedatory and Daniel Age Pedatory was in Cheshire, Massachusetts, and

738
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 4: Donnie Davis JD was from Oh my gosh, Tennessee. And

739
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: I went to there and I talked to their families

740
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 4: and this. They said, I would love it if you

741
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 4: tell their story. And when I left it was really cool.

742
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 4: I mean for me, I never whole punch it. I mean,

743
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: I tell the story like it happened. And at first

744
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 4: I was it was tough. I'm like, I'm going to

745
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 4: learn things about these guys. This was battle and there

746
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 4: was a friendly fire incident that happened.

747
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: This is not really friendly, right the joke about friendly

748
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: fire is it not really friendly when you're getting shot?

749
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

750
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 2: Is that that person shot? How's that friendly?

751
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: It's blue on blue. But this was a friendly fire incident.

752
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 4: This is friendly fire in the fact that, if you

753
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: can imagine, a staff element came in and decided they

754
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 4: wanted to call some jay dam bombs in and they

755
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 4: called it a two thousand pounds jay damn in on

756
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 4: their own position and so it was horrible. It was

757
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 4: all mass, casular situation. But Pedatory, Daniel H. Pedatory, was

758
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 4: the radio man, and so the parents were always kind

759
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 4: of wondering, like was he the guy that called it in?

760
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: They were kind of curious, and I went and stayed

761
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 3: with them.

762
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: I went to Cheshire, the classic New England town where

763
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: the in the Berkshires, where the tallest building is the

764
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 4: church steeple, I mean, classic town, white buildings, visited his graves,

765
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 4: slept in his bedroom as as a boy that he

766
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 4: slept in as the boy. They showed me, you know,

767
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 4: where he would be up in the window and snipe

768
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: at his buddies with a baby gun.

769
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 3: All these great stories.

770
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: And after I left his dad, well, the first night

771
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: we got there, they were really nervous, and we started

772
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 4: with a few beers and then went to the whiskey

773
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 4: bottle and then we opened up. We walked talked until

774
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 4: like three in the morning, and then the next day

775
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: we checked. I hung out for a few days and

776
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 4: then when I was leaving, he said, Eric, I know

777
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 4: you're going to do a great job.

778
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: Just do me one favor.

779
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: And he's telling me this while he's shaking my hand,

780
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 4: one of those long, maybe a little bit uncomfortable, overly

781
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 4: long handshakes, pulled in tight, and he just says, tell

782
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: it like it happened. He said, Dan believed in accountability,

783
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: and I don't know exactly what happened. I'm hoping that

784
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 4: you'll find out, but I want to know, and we

785
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: just want it, he said. Don't candy coat everything, you know,

786
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 4: don't make him an a stud. And if he was,

787
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 4: you know, really a C plus student, you know, I mean,

788
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: jel it like it happened. And that was such an

789
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 4: amazing thing for me as as a young writer, to

790
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 4: kind of have that permission and say, hey, these people

791
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: just want to know what happened. They don't necessarily want

792
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 4: they don't want this, you know, propaganda. They don't want

793
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 4: something that's going to just kind of necessarily elevate their sons.

794
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: They want to be respectful, respectful of course, but they

795
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: want to know the truth. And that set the stage

796
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 4: for every one of my books thereafter. And I that's

797
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 4: what I've been able to do. I've always just thought,

798
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 4: you know what, at the end of the day, I

799
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: can always stand on the truth, and I know what

800
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 4: where every line comes in my books I know, if

801
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: someone asked me, why do you put this there, I

802
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: will tell them if there's a hole in my book, sorry,

803
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 4: because I've always told people when I get to talk

804
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 4: to students occasionally, now i'll tell them. In nonfiction, you know,

805
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: you're going to kind of find places where you cannot

806
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 4: feel a you know, a certain aspect of the story,

807
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 4: and don't make it up. It's better to have a

808
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: little hole in your story than to feel it with bullshit.

809
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: And I don't know, it's just it's to me.

810
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 4: It's just been an honor to tell these stories and

811
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 4: and and each one has led to the next. I mean,

812
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 4: Adam Brown, you know, came after that. And then I

813
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 4: told the story of Roy Benavitez, the Medal of Honor recipient.

814
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: You don't win a Medal of Honor, of course, being

815
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: a civilian.

816
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 4: And I learned that, right, yeah, you're you're, yeah, you're

817
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 4: a recipient.

818
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 3: So some people said he won the Medal of Honor,

819
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: and they will look.

820
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: At you and say they don't really want it.

821
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: They don't want that.

822
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: No, And so anyways, I just was able to get

823
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 4: into this community that appreciated it, and I thought, what

824
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: I can do that maybe somebody who is writing a

825
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: memoir that is in deep in these worlds, maybe they

826
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 4: can't make it quite as accessible to the general public.

827
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 4: And honestly, the general public needs to read these stories.

828
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 4: And so I feel like I can help. I was

829
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: able to help bridge that gap, be respectful and you know,

830
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: inspire people with the things people have overcome, the.

831
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: Things that people will read that you write, like Business

832
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: Magazine hopefully, or like you or like this, Yeah, Craig Kelly,

833
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: the darkest white right, because it's real.

834
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 4: It's real, it's real stuff, and I and it is,

835
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: you know, the one I think the nicest compliment I

836
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 4: ever got from another from a special Ops guy when

837
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: actually Green Gray where he said, dude, I read this

838
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 4: book and you're a civilian and you weren't there, and

839
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 4: as I read this story, I felt like I was

840
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 4: there beside those guys. And he said, that is a

841
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 4: credit to you, and thank you. He said, the terminology

842
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 4: was great, And you explained what my mom or dad

843
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 4: this guy had, you know, parents said I want my

844
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: parents to read this because they can help explain to

845
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 4: them what I do in a way that I can't.

846
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and sometimes it takes an outside perspective

847
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: to bring it to table, right, you don't have you know,

848
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: the guys are so in that world all the time,

849
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: and they're so jaded all of the acronyms and everything

850
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: that goes on, and they just say these things to

851
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: each other like mos or or you know whatever the

852
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: acronym is, and civilians are like, what is that? You know,

853
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: it's a whole other world. So to have you come

854
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: into that world and be able to decipher these code

855
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: words and bring it to a story and then deliver

856
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: it in a way that is based off of the

857
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: reality of what these guys went through, that's awesome.

858
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 4: I was crazy acronym challenged. I mean, these guys would

859
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: start talking. I would have to say, whoa, whoa, whoa.

860
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 4: You just said three things and I have no idea

861
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: what you just said?

862
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's a partow down? What's a forward? That er refueling? Wait?

863
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: What's a fob at a at a fact at a

864
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: de fact? Is that where we eat? Wait?

865
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 4: And it was cool too, like as I got into it,

866
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 4: I mean early on, actually I did. I was embedded

867
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 4: with with a platoon of army rangers up to do

868
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 4: a magazine article.

869
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 2: I want to do that time.

870
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: I got to do it in nineteen ninety nine before

871
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: like nine to eleven, and it.

872
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: Was that kicked my ass.

873
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 4: At the end of this thirty six hour I was

874
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 4: literally pissing blood. I mean, the guy out in the

875
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 4: field gave me an ivy to rehydrate me.

876
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 3: I was I thought I was in shape.

877
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 4: I thought I thought that I was in shape, but

878
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 4: I was in civilian shape.

879
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 3: I wasn't in Korean War era shape. Rock shape. Yeah,

880
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: it was. It was crazy. But the what was kind

881
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: of cool about following that.

882
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 4: I loved the Ranger history and you know, point to

883
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 4: Hawk and I went, I've gone to Normandy went there

884
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: to check that out and see those cliffs, and it

885
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 4: was cool.

886
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: Like when nine to eleven happened.

887
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: Early on some of the original like you know, grainy

888
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 4: footage of a ground operation was an airfield with men.

889
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: They showed the parachutes.

890
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 4: Coming down all this, and it was on the news

891
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: and it didn't say who it was or whatever. They said,

892
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 4: American forces are coming in, and I remember leaning over

893
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 4: to my girlfriend saying, those are Rangers. They specialized in

894
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 4: airfield seizures. And like two days later they said we've

895
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: come to find out that the group that whatever with

896
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: army rangers than Michael, like, I was like a hero

897
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: to my buddy. They're all, how did you know that?

898
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, because that's what they do. They do and

899
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 4: and you know, I don't know. It's just it's it's

900
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 4: fascinating to me. And it's a way of showing, you know,

901
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 4: know a little bit of it of our the different

902
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 4: unit's history, you know everything from Dale presso Leb to whatever.

903
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: It's just, you know, it's nice to know your country's history.

904
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: And the people would give us this world. I'll circle

905
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 4: back to it again. I love it. And and Craig

906
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 4: by telling Craig's story, he really lived that as well.

907
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 4: And he was a guy who had friends who from

908
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 4: all walks of life. He had a guy one of

909
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 4: his closest mentors had escaped Czechoslovakia and was huge on

910
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 4: personal freedoms, and so he had friends on that were

911
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 4: a very on the red side of the spectrum and

912
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 4: the blue side both and he was this guy that

913
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 4: just could always see the good in both sides.

914
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: He was somebody that would have flourished.

915
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 4: And not lost friends during the COVID fiasco when people

916
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: are being so divided. He really could bridge the gap.

917
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 4: And that's another special thing about Craig Kelly. So he

918
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just time to tell his story.

919
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's awesome. We need more people like that

920
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: that can just bridge the gap and just be like, hey,

921
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: look you know, just yea yeah.

922
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 4: No, he he could do that, and I think you know,

923
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 4: people respected him.

924
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: First of all.

925
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 4: He was really smart and he could look at everything,

926
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: but he would His widow, Savina would say how he

927
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 4: had this I'm paraphrasing her, this amazing ability to look

928
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 4: at a person and kind of see the good in

929
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: them or the whatever, you know, and focus on that

930
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 4: and not necessarily define them by something that you might

931
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 4: perceive as not so good.

932
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: Right, And that's not how she said it.

933
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: She said it much more eloquently, but she and she

934
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 4: noticed that in Craig as well, and we need more

935
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 4: people like that.

936
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: We need more people like he just had.

937
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: He had the ability to just see them like see something.

938
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

939
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 4: Well he was an ambassador. Yeah, I mean he was

940
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 4: an ambassador of snowboarding. When people win. You know, skiers

941
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: hated snowboarders or you know, so everybody thought and so

942
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 4: it was fun.

943
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, it was fun.

944
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was both and that's what you.

945
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: Want to do. Yeah, totally.

946
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 4: I love honestly at this point, what I love is

947
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 4: that whoever is out in the mountains in nature, enjoy

948
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 4: outside with the kids, with their wife, with their friends, whatever.

949
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: Just get out there and to do something that's fun.

950
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: Go for a hype in nature, for a hike, yeah,

951
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 4: or swimming even better like nowadays, I don't care splipboard

952
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: through my splipboard on. Go hike for two hours and

953
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 4: get one run and I'm like my heart is.

954
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 3: Full for a week.

955
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: You earn those turns though. When you split board. You know,

956
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 2: for those of you that may not know what split

957
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: boarding is, it's where you take a snowboard and you

958
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: saw it down the middle and you put the bindings forward,

959
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: and then you put these skins on the bottom of

960
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: them that strap on, and then they slap on the bottom,

961
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: and then you start to cross country ski uphill because

962
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: you've got some grip. And then you get to the

963
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: top and then you take your skis that were split

964
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: and you put them together and they got latches and

965
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: then they latch together and now you can turn your

966
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: binding sideways. And you can go down the mountain like

967
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: the rest of us sideways, right, Yes, you're just to

968
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: break that.

969
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 4: Grow up as a crossair, that Nordic mentality of going

970
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 4: up and walking up the mountain and going down without

971
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 4: sinking down to your knees or whatever. And post holing

972
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 4: makes it much less tedious and more energy to go down.

973
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 4: And so you're basically across the sphere on the way

974
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 4: up in a snowsurfer on the way down and almost

975
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 4: you know, so many companies now there were kits originally

976
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 4: that you could do exactly what you said the middle

977
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: now with Jones Snowboards, Burton winter Stick, everybody, all of

978
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 4: these they have.

979
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: I think there's a Nitros splip for too.

980
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 3: The very first with a Nitros split.

981
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 4: And honestly, I my favorite article in transport was when

982
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 4: I I don't know if you remember It's a Chameleon,

983
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 4: where I poached all the scary that didn't allow snowboarding

984
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 4: bottle lift ticket at Keystone. That was me well with

985
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 4: my altar.

986
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you're like, I'm gonna go ride these places

987
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: with your splits.

988
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 4: I'm gonna, I'm gonna it was when the first split

989
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 4: came out, I have never I still have never skied

990
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 4: in my life.

991
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: I've been somewhere in since eighty three ish.

992
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 4: And but that board came out and I thought, you know,

993
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 4: they're hard boots.

994
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: They look like skis.

995
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go buy a lift ticket and all these

996
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 4: these few dinosaur resorts that don't allow snowboarding to get

997
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 4: in the on the lift, I'm gonna go to the

998
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 4: top of the busiest run, I'm gonna pop into the trees.

999
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna turn it back into a snowboard, and I'm

1000
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 4: gonna ride down the center and I'm gonna ride as

1001
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 4: many runs as i can until the stroll tackles me

1002
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 4: and kicks me off.

1003
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: And I did it at Three Mountains, the first.

1004
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: Rocket skis, rocket skis, I got them.

1005
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: It was great. I got to I got to be

1006
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: a I got to be a spy.

1007
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 4: I basically created all of your guys said that we

1008
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 4: hired a spy named the Chameleon.

1009
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you blended.

1010
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1011
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 4: And that's how I did it. And then I did

1012
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 4: Park City the next year. I called it irony in

1013
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 4: the washouts because at that point they did not allow snowboarding,

1014
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: but they were bidding for the Olympic snowboarding, you know.

1015
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: And they said that we were going to get it

1016
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: unless you know, one of the ski resorts here. I

1017
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: don't want to give them credit for who they are.

1018
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: They're a town in Utah. I don't want to call

1019
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 2: them their name because they won't allow snowboarding. You can

1020
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 2: hike it, but they will allow you to go up there,

1021
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: you know, And I just find that to be unfair.

1022
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: And back in the day, Jake Burton was like, we're boy,

1023
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: you know, the Olympic should be boycotted until you know

1024
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 2: snowboarding is allowed at that specific resort.

1025
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I know, I know exactly what you're

1026
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 4: talking about. And Toos, New Mexico, I rode Taois before

1027
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 4: anybody else. There was a little free towist movement.

1028
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: I mean Snowbasin didn't allow snowboarding. My wife asked me,

1029
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: and I can't come up with an answer of why

1030
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: I'd never snowboarded at Basin. And I grew up. I

1031
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: went to Powder Mountain in Nordic Vality, my backyards up

1032
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: there and in the northern Utah area, and I was like, oh,

1033
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: they didn't allow snowboarding. I was like that's what it

1034
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: was for a while, think about it.

1035
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, And I mean in the very beginning, I

1036
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 4: get it, like when the equipment was as horrible as

1037
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 4: it was, and literally it was questionable if could could

1038
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: turn left right and stop on a dime and not

1039
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 4: hit each somebody. But that was in the very beginning.

1040
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 4: It didn't once high back bindings came into play and

1041
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 4: steel edges. It was there was no difference between the

1042
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 4: out of control danger zone of a beginning at the

1043
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: beginning snowboard, you know. Yeah, so there's all these things

1044
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: that were you know, at play. But and then there's

1045
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 4: a mad River Glen on the East coast. You know,

1046
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 4: they have that little spumper sticker that says mad River

1047
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 4: Glenn ski it if you can. I know a guy

1048
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: his name with Greg Saladino, and he is kind of

1049
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 4: an inventor, just a genius guy, and he wrote made

1050
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 4: his own play on that and made sticker that said

1051
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 4: mad River Glenn.

1052
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: I'd write it if I could.

1053
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exact exactly, you know, that's exactly it. That's so great.

1054
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 2: I love it, and I love snowboarding. And I know

1055
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: I've had you for almost an hour of your time

1056
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: and and we've talked about, you know, the Darkest White,

1057
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: which is the Craig Kelly story. And uh, he's an

1058
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: extreme athlete US snowboard champion. Uh And and I mean

1059
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: that he won the US Championships here, right, and so.

1060
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: For you were the four time you know, world champions

1061
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 4: and seven times in various disciplines back in the eighties

1062
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 4: and nineties. Basically, Craig Kelly was the Sean White of

1063
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 4: the eighties and nineties. Everybody out there knows who Shawn

1064
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 4: White is, right or Chloe Kimp. You know who these

1065
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 4: writers are? Now who are these olympians that are on

1066
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 4: the tip of every ones Mark mc morris at that point, Yeah, exactly.

1067
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 4: I like it to anybody out there who Travis Rice?

1068
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: I got to say that hard. I gotta say, Travis Rice. Oh,

1069
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: how can I not talk about the Navy Seal of

1070
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: snowboarding with that? Bringing up Travis Rice. I mean, the

1071
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: guy literally has a TV of the terrain, what is

1072
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: underneath it, and the lines that should be not ran

1073
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: and all of the things that you do for like

1074
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: a combat mission. He is pre planning a year in

1075
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 2: advance to drop what he drops.

1076
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, he is another very cerebral writer who has

1077
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 4: a a.

1078
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: Gift for terrain.

1079
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: I write five wide and I'm six foot five, Okay.

1080
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: I I should write a Wow, you're six five?

1081
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? And I ride a one fifty

1082
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: seven but I like it.

1083
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: You ride one fifty seven and you're six ft five.

1084
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I write.

1085
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: It's five nine and a half on a good day.

1086
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 4: And I have a hard time being old school going

1087
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 4: below one sixty two.

1088
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 2: I told what I do, I should probably ride like.

1089
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: I'm reading. Yeah.

1090
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: I used to carry Avalanche snowboards. They were this brand

1091
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: and uh, I know Bavalanche, and there was like a

1092
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: one back country. It was super tall. I was like,

1093
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: how am I ever going to sell that?

1094
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 3: That thing was huge? You know.

1095
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 4: I have some of those old boards as well, and yeah,

1096
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 4: I don't need them that long. And honestly, it is

1097
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 4: true nowadays the shorter boards with the effective running edge

1098
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 4: and the length and everything, you know, especially a camera board,

1099
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 4: you don't necessarily need the length. I'm like, a one

1100
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 4: fifty eight is kind of should be my k board.

1101
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 4: I think I just like to have the river for

1102
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 4: the book tour. I'm this whole book tour to honor Craig,

1103
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 4: I'm leaving. Literally, I don't know when you're gonna able

1104
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 4: to put this up, but I'm you know, my book

1105
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 4: tours starting on the twenty six is the first day

1106
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 4: of the book tour in Boulder, Colorado, and then I

1107
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 4: get to go to Edwards and Running.

1108
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: Vale and Big Sky.

1109
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 4: I will come to Utah eventually. In fact, I'm gonna

1110
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 4: be on Uh. Can I say another podcast?

1111
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: Now?

1112
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 2: Sure?

1113
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: The bomb hole? The bomb Yeah, the bomber, Yeah, the

1114
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: bomb Hole. Those guys are awesome.

1115
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: As long as they say my podcast softw Rep.

1116
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 4: You say what you should be on the bomb hole.

1117
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 4: I'm not kidding. No, you should be on the bomb hole.

1118
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: Your your history and everything and your whole vibe. Oh, snowboard,

1119
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 4: you are the epitome of snowboarding right there. And I

1120
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 4: can't believe you're in Utah and that you're not on that,

1121
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 4: that you're not on not that I believe they're not

1122
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 4: in Utah. I can't believe you're in Utah and haven't

1123
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 4: been on the bomb hole yet. No, No, you should.

1124
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 2: I've hosted a Brighton, been the MC for those things

1125
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: like we had the Wizards Festival for Slug Magazine out

1126
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 2: here and all that stuff, and yeah, you know the

1127
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: bomb hole is awesome. They bring their limo out and

1128
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: everybody loves to ride for them, and like you know,

1129
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: baby Kangaroo or Joey Fava, he's out here. Pat just

1130
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: won the X Games. Uh freestyle there.

1131
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 4: I'm going to do a call in for the book

1132
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 4: at some point here next week for them, like a

1133
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 4: Tony McCollugh. And at some point I'm gonna I want

1134
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 4: to get out there and do it and event to

1135
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 4: get back out to you.

1136
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: We have to together one day, bro, oh.

1137
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 3: For sure, you kidding me? Apri or afternoon and then are.

1138
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: Exactly well, we can go to the new Snake Creek

1139
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: lodge that just open called Sidewinder at Brighton and have

1140
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: the Doyles come over and just have something to eat,

1141
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: some chicken strips.

1142
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 4: That's perfect. Now, it's it's gonna be a really fun man.

1143
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 4: I'm honestly right now my biggest decision. It's pretty funny.

1144
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,959
Speaker 4: But I'm going on this book tour and the best

1145
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 4: thing you can do to honor Craig Kelly. First of all,

1146
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 4: it would be amazing if it hit a bestseller list.

1147
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 4: You know, that would be awesome for Craig because he

1148
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 4: was such a competitive guy once upon a time, and

1149
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: I'm competitive myself, so I hope everybody out there might

1150
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 4: consider picking up a coffee. But in addition to that,

1151
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 4: best way that I could do, the best way I

1152
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 4: could honor Craig is to go on a book tour

1153
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 4: and snowboard everywhere I go.

1154
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: And so right now my.

1155
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 4: Biggest question is I'm putting together my little quiver and

1156
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: I like.

1157
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: To have one.

1158
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 4: I'd like, you know, one board generally, but my quiver

1159
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 4: is that I'm gonna bring that board that started this

1160
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: whole process that I showed you, a Burton Juice Wagon

1161
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 4: from twenty thirteen.

1162
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: I love it.

1163
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 4: It's got a narrow tail, a little hot wider in

1164
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 4: the shovel for pow.

1165
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: Love it.

1166
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 4: It's a great board for carving. I'm riding Jones Stratos.

1167
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: It's amazing. And and then I have my one fifty

1168
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 4: eight rob Kingwell Winterstick.

1169
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: It's the arc.

1170
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 4: And so those are my three boards and I'm gonna

1171
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 4: bring on this trip. And it's funny because I packed

1172
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 4: them like a week ago.

1173
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 2: You're ready now, I'm ready sleeping over there like up

1174
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: at five thirty in the morning, all dressed in their

1175
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: bed ready to go.

1176
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.

1177
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 2: I would.

1178
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 4: My friends actually called me Fireball when I was I

1179
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 4: was a kid knocking on windows at five am down

1180
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 4: patrol surf with them. Yeah, let's go, dude, it's five am.

1181
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 4: I'm all, we want to get there early.

1182
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: And you already have like a couple like hot topl

1183
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: or coffee goal. You're like, what are you doing? Let's go?

1184
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah for sure, Yeah, let's I mean you're burning daylight.

1185
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 4: You can sleep when you're dead exactly.

1186
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 2: And you know what, I think that is the best

1187
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: way to go out on the show is that if

1188
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 2: you're burned out, you'll sleep when you're dead. So don't

1189
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: give up until then. And then second you go check

1190
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: out The Darkest White, the book written by Eric blem

1191
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 2: and the life story of Craig Kelly. And you know

1192
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: how he was a hard charger. He's got more.

1193
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 4: It is a it's a survival story like The Perfect Storm,

1194
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 4: only in the mountains.

1195
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 3: Yes, well that part will Rocky World.

1196
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 4: It's a cautionary tale, but it's it's an inspiring story.

1197
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 4: Like I was saying, I think I think that this

1198
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 4: community would love it. And I'm just dope that you

1199
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: can lets some people know about it. I appreciate it.

1200
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 2: I can't, we will, we shall, And it's going to

1201
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: have a little link on there too that my guys

1202
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: will dissertate down there when they type it out and

1203
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 2: listen to it and listen to what we talk about,

1204
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 2: and Anton and Mark and Brandon and all you guys

1205
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 2: that listen to these podcasts after I record them. I

1206
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 2: want to thank you for all your effort that you

1207
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 2: put into making these shows the number one rated podcast.

1208
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: You tell me it is, you tell me it's number one, guys.

1209
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: I'm behind the scenes, so I'll keep it going. And

1210
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: with that, I just want to say check out our

1211
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: book club soft rep dot com Forward slash hyphen book

1212
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: Club Right now, we're running promos on softwap dot com,

1213
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 2: So make sure you're going over there and visiting us,

1214
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 2: and make sure you're checking out you know, Eric Blem's

1215
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: books and his life stories that he's putting out there

1216
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: for us. And if you can find an old copy

1217
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: of trans World Snowboarding, go look it up. I think

1218
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: there's probably digital formats of it out there online that

1219
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: you could probably find and.

1220
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 4: Just see what it's everything. It's an audio. It's electronic

1221
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 4: everything nowadays. Are you kidding me? It's in every single

1222
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 4: format you can find. Fearless readers. The fearless will love it.

1223
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 4: And I just want to do one final shout out.

1224
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 4: You're going to get the last word, but I just

1225
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 4: want to say, you know, thank you all the listeners.

1226
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of you have worn their uniform.

1227
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: I never did, but I appreciate you.

1228
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 4: Appreciate you all for what you've done and your family

1229
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: sacrifices for the rest of us that we can live

1230
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 4: this freaking awesome life that we get to live here,

1231
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 4: and that's the fascination of America.

1232
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 3: Thank case.

1233
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: So my last word is to my veterans who have served,

1234
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 2: who can go to the VA to ask their doc

1235
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: or for recreational therapy. Okay, go to them and say, hey,

1236
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: can you please prescribe me something other than pills? So

1237
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: let's get thrills before pills. Okay. So if you can

1238
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: go outside, get prescription for a snowboard, get a prescription

1239
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: for some snowshoes, get a prescription for some roller blades,

1240
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: go do that, a skateboard, whatever it is, you know,

1241
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: go outside, enjoy yourself. Ask your VA representative for recreational therapy.

1242
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: You think I'm joking, but those dudes that lose their

1243
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: legs that ride in buckets down the mountain are getting

1244
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: recreational therapy. It's a thing, Okay, So get out there,

1245
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: enjoy yourself, touch some water and just live life to

1246
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 2: the best. Okay, And eric On behalf of everybody here.

1247
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: Brandon Webb, who's a hard charge of skier, he probably

1248
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: will be thrilled to know that I had this conversation

1249
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: with you. Thank you so much for being on our show,

1250
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: Soft Reap Radio, and I will say peace

1251
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: Listening Sylph Red Radio