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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: This is the area in the polls where I think

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Speaker 2: Biden has the greatest weakness, the biggest differential in terms

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Speaker 2: of a top issue, who would you support Trump or Biden?

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Speaker 2: Immigration is the achilles heel on policy, at least of

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Speaker 2: this Biden administration. Some of you might just argue time

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Speaker 2: and age are Biden's achilles heel. But the bigger challenge here,

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Speaker 2: I think for Democrats across the board, because this effects

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Speaker 2: also the perception of Democrats that are running in congressional races.

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Speaker 2: Immigration is a disaster in or Biden, far worse by

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Speaker 2: the numbers than it was under Obama in his first

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Speaker 2: four years, not even close. Actually Obama was just beginning

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Speaker 2: to break the dam. Biden has completed that work. This though,

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Speaker 2: I thought was particularly interesting. One thing you have, who

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Speaker 2: is it that does the great work for Fox newsplay

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Speaker 2: who's always down at the bordersion? I think it was

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Speaker 2: Bill Malugian who shared out immigrants outside of San Diego

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Speaker 2: illegals crossing from this was on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: I still have to call it.

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Speaker 2: I know we're supposed to call it x but that's

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Speaker 2: twitter to me, India, the illegals coming from India, Yemen,

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Speaker 2: all over Asia, Mexico and beyond. So, like I've been saying,

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Speaker 2: it's one hundred and sixty countries that illegals have. Basically,

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Speaker 2: illegals are coming from everywhere except Western Europe pretty much.

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Speaker 3: That's how That's one way that you could say it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so maybe a few very small, like wealthy

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're not They're not coming from Japan. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there are a few wealthy countries they're not coming from.

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Speaker 2: But they're coming from everywhere else, and they're going to

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Speaker 2: continue to pile into the country.

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Speaker 3: That's not going to change. I thought this was really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Clay CBS faced the nation, which is still supposed to

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Speaker 2: be what people who don't actually want to learn or

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Speaker 2: know anything about politics but want to pretend they're informed.

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Speaker 2: Apparently they tune in to watch the show and not

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Speaker 2: of the numbers they used to.

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Speaker 3: The CBS host had this poll.

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Speaker 2: She seemed distressed by this that sixty two percent, sixty

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Speaker 2: two percent of respondents want illegals deported. This has cut

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Speaker 2: five plays.

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Speaker 4: Sixty two percent of Americans favored deporting all undocumented immigrants.

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Speaker 4: So Homeland Security says that President Biden has already deported

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Speaker 4: or repatriated more people in the past year than any

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Speaker 4: year since twenty ten. And then, depending on the details

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Speaker 4: of what's talked about on the campaign trail, some of

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Speaker 4: what mister Trump talks about could be illegal. It doesn't

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Speaker 4: seem practical in some sense to round up children. And

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Speaker 4: then we know that the courts have questioned whether where

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Speaker 4: local authorities would have the ability to do it, and

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Speaker 4: federal authorities don't have the resources. So what exactly do

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Speaker 4: people think they're supporting.

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Speaker 5: We are in a different era in which a lot

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Speaker 5: of folks say the system as.

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Speaker 3: A whole is not working. No, no, no, no, we're

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Speaker 3: not We're not gonna play that game again. This system

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Speaker 3: is broken.

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Speaker 2: No, people are breaking the law. This would be like saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: Walmart in San Francisco is going out of business. Our

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Speaker 2: private property system is not working, Clay, No, people are

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Speaker 2: stealing from it. We need to stop them from stealing

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Speaker 2: from it. Actually, it's not that the private property system

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Speaker 2: laws of that system. That's what's happening with our immigration laws.

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Speaker 2: I also think it's interesting this is the only time

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Speaker 2: I've ever heard somebody who's a Democrat, clearly Margaret Brennan Democrat.

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Speaker 2: This is the only time I've heard them say the

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Speaker 2: federal government doesn't have the resources too.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: The federal government, according to Democrats, has the resources to

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Speaker 2: take care of everyone's health care, to pay for you know,

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Speaker 2: eight all over the world, to pay for the Ukrainian

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Speaker 2: war against We have money for everything except enforcing our

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Speaker 2: borders and deporting people who come here. That's that's quite

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Speaker 2: a quaint. This is going to be if Trump wins, Clay,

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Speaker 2: I'll just put this out there, the single biggest this

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Speaker 2: Does he keep this promise. I'm gonna tell you right now,

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Speaker 2: if he doesn't keep the promise on deportations, you're gonna

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the problem is gonna be he's only

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Speaker 5: got four years and they know it. That's why they

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Speaker 5: it's not a four year solution. And I think a

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Speaker 5: lot of people out there need to understand this. Trump

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Speaker 5: is great. I hope Trump wins in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: Democrats are thinking decades. They're thinking long into the future

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Speaker 5: when they're letting these ten million people in because you

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Speaker 5: know it's gonna happen. A lot of them are gonna

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Speaker 5: these illegal immigrants is going to get more challenging the

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Speaker 3: And they know it.

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Speaker 5: And to your point, think about where we are. If

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Speaker 5: you go to New York City right now, it's difficult

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Speaker 5: your tax dollars, so many migrants the opportunity to stay

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Speaker 2: The summer, twenty percent of hotels are for illegals. Twenty

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Speaker 2: Imagine if where you are, in your town or your city,

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Speaker 2: the housing market got twenty percent tighter. Guess what home

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Speaker 2: prices would go up a lot. Oh, and there's also

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Speaker 2: the reality of how many illegals are actually taking jobs

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Speaker 2: But Clay, I wouldn't let truck. I wouldn't let it

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Speaker 2: off so quickly with the you know it's the court. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. The courts are going to try to

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Speaker 2: stop him. You'll have Ninth Circuit judges who do universal injunctions.

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Speaker 2: Trump just needs to say no. He's going to say,

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Speaker 2: you don't you know, you don't have the authority for

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Speaker 3: You can't.

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Speaker 2: Actually this is executive authority. And then the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: all the illegals out. But if you show everybody that

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Speaker 2: you know what changes all the people coming? And then

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Speaker 2: you know what changes all the people coming.

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Speaker 3: I mean, otherwise, why is Trump promising to do this?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's the right choice, and it is

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Speaker 5: the right decision, and Stephen Miller is going to work

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Speaker 5: I've at twenty hours a day if he gets the

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Speaker 5: of the right choice. I just want people to understand

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Speaker 5: this doesn't get solved in four years. The Democrats are

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Speaker 5: trying to plan so that in twenty forty five, when

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Speaker 2: Fortunately, we will all be dead from climate change then,

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Speaker 5: I would also add this, because we're history nerds. Has

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Speaker 5: any precedent historically for ten million illegal people coming into

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Speaker 5: That's paid for or with your tax dollars and my

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Speaker 5: not unique to the United States. We should mention this

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Speaker 5: just as we are dealing with this, many people in

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Speaker 5: England would be a poorer state than Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: Perfectly, it would be the fifty first wealthiest state in

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Speaker 5: Which is pretty remarkable because I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: And posh, no, actually poorer than Mississippi. And we love

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Speaker 5: But so their standard of living is lower than ours

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Speaker 2: Clay I, when I was in the government, I had

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Speaker 2: from another country at once where you know, a few countries, Syria, Iraq,

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Speaker 2: they were a handful of them. You were dramatically changing

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Speaker 2: the polity, like the political union, the political entity that

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Speaker 2: hard way. Oh, you know, we'll just like everyone will

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Speaker 2: that's actually not what happens, especially when you take in

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Speaker 2: so assimilation. Assimilation is based in the requirement that the

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Speaker 2: If you bring in millions, if you bring in millions

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Speaker 2: immigrants to Brooklyn. Right, potato, straight up potato famine, no potatoes.

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Speaker 3: They had problems.

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Speaker 2: I think from eighteen forty to nineteen twenty there were

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Speaker 2: I know the population you know was lesser them, but

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Speaker 2: still it's eighty years, four million. We've taken in ten

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Speaker 3: This is unprecedented. The people who say, look at the

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Speaker 3: poem on the statue of.

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Speaker 2: Liberty are morons. They are lying to you. This has

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Speaker 5: What do they say, We don't have anywhere to keep them.

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Speaker 3: You know that.

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Speaker 5: I always remember this, Georgetown still doesn't have a metro stop.

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Speaker 3: But I think the neighborhood, they think can handle it.

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Speaker 5: That's what they didn't want. Yeah, the earth can't handle it.

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Speaker 3: Coming out to.

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Speaker 1: Him, you're listening to the best of Clay Travis and

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Speaker 5: Join now by the host of Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe.

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Speaker 5: He has done a phenomenal job, writer, narrator, producer, Emmy

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Speaker 6: Mike.

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Speaker 5: And we were talking about it a little bit earlier,

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Speaker 3: And hemryting lay away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's how gen z is becoming the tool belt generation.

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Speaker 5: Are you optimistic, Mike that a lot of people are

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Speaker 6: It's an indication of what you paid. It's a receipt

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Speaker 6: right and one point seven trillion dollars in student loans

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Speaker 2: Hey, Mike, where do people who are thinking about this?

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Speaker 6: Well, you can't possibly screw up by learning how to weld.

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Speaker 6: Bolding is like the gateway into the skilled trades. My

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Speaker 6: A lot of big companies today have their own internal programs.

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Speaker 6: student loans is five every year for every five tradesmen

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Speaker 6: who retire to replace them. Now, that's been gone on

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Speaker 6: for over a decade, and when you start to just

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Speaker 6: extrapolate that out, what you realize real fast is this

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Speaker 6: is not just a conversation about companies who are struggling

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Speaker 6: to recruit talent or kids who are struggling to find

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Speaker 6: a path to prosperity. This is a conversation about how

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Speaker 6: long Clay Travis and bucksex and want to wait for

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Speaker 6: a plumber when they need one, or an electrician. Every

445
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Speaker 6: single person listening to this has skin in the game,

446
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Speaker 6: because every one of your audience members shares my addiction

447
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Speaker 6: to smooth roads and affordable electricity and indoor plumbing and

448
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Speaker 6: a long list of other stuff that we've been taking

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Speaker 6: for granted long before Dirty Jobs went on the air.

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Speaker 2: You know, my uncle is a tradesman and a locksmith,

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Speaker 2: like a skilled locksmith with the specialty stuff for you know, corporations.

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Speaker 2: And my brother in law is actually a welder. Carrie's

453
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Speaker 2: brother is a welder, and one thing I hear from

454
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Speaker 2: both of them is they just don't have the time

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Speaker 2: to do all the jobs that people want them to do,

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Speaker 2: which is not a thing you often hear from that

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Speaker 2: MANYFOLI like, there's so many offers to do different work

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Speaker 2: in different places.

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Speaker 3: That they can't get to it all.

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Speaker 2: So, Mike, I mean, I'm experiencing that for my own

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Speaker 2: you know, extended family, what they're seeing out there.

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Speaker 3: I'm just wondering to what degree.

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Speaker 2: Also, when you're you know, you're the CEO of Mike

464
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Speaker 2: Roworks Foundation, you're encouraging young people to go into this,

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Speaker 2: but you know, entrepreneurship, small business ownership.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's been my experience from.

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Speaker 2: People I know, some of who have become very successful

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Speaker 2: business owners that a lot of them start by working

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Speaker 2: for a business in the trades.

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Speaker 6: And this is this is part of the sort of

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Speaker 6: the disaster scenario. When we took shop class out, we

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Speaker 6: also impacted not just the skilled workforce, but the the

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Speaker 6: entrepreneurial gene. The path to a small business so often

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Speaker 6: begins with the mastery of a trade. I mentioned welding before,

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Speaker 6: because you know, I know people who are underwater welders today.

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Speaker 6: They make three hundred thousand dollars a year. I know

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Speaker 6: others who are tig welders, you know, who are making

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Speaker 6: one hundred grand. And I know some who are making

479
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Speaker 6: less than that and are basically punching a clock. But

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Speaker 6: the most interesting cohort are the welders who hired another welder,

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Speaker 6: or more likely, hired an electrician and some hvac guys

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Speaker 6: and then bought a couple of vans and started a

483
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Speaker 6: mechanical contracting company. Those guys are everywhere, and they are

484
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Speaker 6: the engine of our economy, and their success stories aren't

485
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Speaker 6: told nearly enough because they start by doing something that

486
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Speaker 6: so many parents have come to believe as a vocational

487
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Speaker 6: consolation prize. I don't want my kid to be a welder.

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Speaker 6: The hell you don't, man. I can give you example

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Speaker 6: after example, just a quick sidebar. I don't know if

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Speaker 6: you'll remember this but I saw you ten years ago.

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Speaker 6: I think you were filling in for Beck and you

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Speaker 6: did a story on one of my favorite stories of

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Speaker 6: all time. Nobody talks about it today, but it was

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Speaker 6: a message to Garcia. It was a story about initiative,

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Speaker 6: and it's a story about work ethic, and it's a

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Speaker 6: story about the willingness to cheerfully take hold of a

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Speaker 6: thing and lift. That's part of this conversation too. And

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Speaker 6: my foundation we award work ethics scholarships because we're not

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Speaker 6: just looking to fill an existing hole. We're looking to

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Speaker 6: find people who are willing to show up early, stay late,

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Speaker 6: take a bite of the crap sandwich, cheerfully, volunteer for

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Speaker 6: whatever task is at hand that's still for sale, that

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Speaker 6: still works. And if gen Z is the cohort that

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Speaker 6: steps up to do that with the tool belt and

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Speaker 6: a new understanding of what a good job is, God.

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Speaker 5: Bless them, Mike. Last question for you. You mentioned parents are grandparents.

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Speaker 5: How much encouragement do you see from them? And I

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Speaker 5: know there's a lot of people out there that are

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Speaker 5: worried their kids are not working hard enough, maybe they're

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Speaker 5: not making great grades in school, but they do have

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Speaker 5: that work ethic, and they're trying to find a way.

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Speaker 5: I think most people have no idea that you can

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Speaker 5: make six figures doing a lot of these jobs. Do

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Speaker 5: you think parents and grandparents are making their kids aware

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Speaker 5: enough of that opportunity as well, or do you think

516
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Speaker 5: they've been sold the idea that only success comes from

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Speaker 5: the pathway of college. You can't do anything else.

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Speaker 6: Again, I hate to paint with a broad brush, but

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Speaker 6: the short answer is yeah, by and large, we have

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Speaker 6: an idea in our head about what a good job

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Speaker 6: looks like. And look, most parents also want something better

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Speaker 6: for their kids than whatever they had. The problem is

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Speaker 6: what is better? Right? I mean, we get to decide

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Speaker 6: how much debt is good. We get to decide if work,

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Speaker 6: for instance, is the proximate cause of our unhappiness. There's

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Speaker 6: a very popular narrative in this country right now that

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Speaker 6: says that it is. That's why you'll see support for

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Speaker 6: Bernie Sanders thirty two hour work week.

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Speaker 3: Crazy.

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Speaker 6: But if you believe in your heart that the reason

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Speaker 6: you're unhappy is because you're working too much, or if

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Speaker 6: you believe, like genuinely believe in your heart that you're

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Speaker 6: going to be happy when you retire, then you've bought

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Speaker 6: into an existing narrative that is in fact persuasive, And

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Speaker 6: it's persuasive because it's mirrored constantly in sitcoms and movies

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Speaker 6: and advertisements. We are surrounded by this idea that work

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Speaker 6: is the enemy, and that you're a failure if you're

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Speaker 6: a parent, if you don't get your kid into a

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Speaker 6: proper school. So yeah, I would say to parents who

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Speaker 6: believe that you might be right. Maybe your kid is

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Speaker 6: exactly wired to do all of those things, but you

542
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Speaker 6: might be wrong. Put all the options on the table,

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Speaker 6: have an on conversation about the realities of debt and

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Speaker 6: the advantage of learning a skill that's in demand. My

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Speaker 6: final thought is, you know this. I'm holding my cell

546
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Speaker 6: phone in my hand right now and I'm looking at

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Speaker 6: it because that is a liberal arts education and it's free.

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Speaker 6: All the information I learned when I was in school

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Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty four is right there. Man, if you're

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Speaker 6: curious and you really want to learn whatever, whatever floats

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Speaker 6: your boat, you can watch a lecture on it right

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Speaker 6: now for free at MIT or Brown or Yale.

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Speaker 3: It's all there.

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Speaker 6: Learn a skill first, master a trade, go to work,

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Speaker 6: get rich.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back into.

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Speaker 3: Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to just take a moment here to commemorate

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Speaker 2: one of the great moments in the history of Western

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Speaker 2: American cinema. I would say my favorite movie to this

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Speaker 2: day of all time. Despite all of its flaws, and

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Speaker 2: I am familiar with all of the flaws, I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I love it anyway, Clay Braveheart was released twenty nine

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Speaker 2: years ago this week. I cannot believe it has been

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Speaker 2: almost thirty years since Braveheart came out. It is a

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Speaker 2: great historical epic, although for history I think you'd probably

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Speaker 2: have to give it a c. It's a Scottish movie,

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Speaker 2: almost entirely filmed in Ireland, where people in the thirteenth

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Speaker 2: century are dressed like they're in the eighteenth century. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff with it that does but I

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Speaker 2: don't care. I love it anyway. Is it one of

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Speaker 2: your favorites? Do you celebrate it?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 3: Do you think?

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Speaker 5: It's fantastic? And you know the history on this better

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Speaker 5: than me. If they had gotten all the history right,

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Speaker 5: would the movie have been worse. It frustrates me when

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Speaker 5: the historical accuracy would not actually fundamentally alter the movie itself,

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Speaker 5: and they still screw it up. So would the movie

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Speaker 5: still have been good if they had gotten everything historically accurate,

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Speaker 5: or at least within the bounds of historical accuracy, right,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I the only the only quibble that I

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Speaker 5: really have is I think they could have done. I've

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Speaker 5: seen the actual site because I've been to the Wallace Monument,

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Speaker 5: because obviously I'm a weirdo for this stuff.

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Speaker 3: You want to talk, you know, when we went to Scotland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was in Scotland with Carry, I was like, honey,

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Speaker 2: we're going to the William Wallace Monument, which I think

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Speaker 2: is just full of Americans. By the way, I think

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Speaker 2: all the Americans who go to Scotland are like, hey,

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Speaker 2: w William Wallace Monument.

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Speaker 3: And so we showed up there.

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Speaker 2: But you can see from the top of it the

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Speaker 2: actual site of a wall of Sterling Castle, which is

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Speaker 2: an amazing uh historical site itself, and then Sterling Bridge

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Speaker 2: where it would.

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Speaker 6: Have been a bend in the river and.

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Speaker 2: They ambushed the forces of Edward the longshanks Edward the

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Speaker 2: second There it was not as it was shown in

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Speaker 2: the movie, which was kind of like a cavalry charge

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Speaker 2: and all the rest of it.

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Speaker 3: But Clay, to.

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Speaker 2: Your point, it is so awesome. I don't care. And

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Speaker 2: there are some movies where the Rock is absurd and

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Speaker 2: there are huge holes in the movie The Rock with

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Speaker 2: Sean Connery and Nicholas Cage, but I don't care because

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Speaker 2: it's so awesome.

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Speaker 5: I thought you were going to tell me when you

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Speaker 5: started that prelude that you were celebrating the fortieth anniversary

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Speaker 5: of Roadhouse being released, because.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that story?

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Speaker 5: No, I think yesterday was the fortieth anniversary of the

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Speaker 5: release of the Patrick Swayze epic Roadhouse, and I legitimately,

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Speaker 5: as you were running through your description, I thought always

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Speaker 5: gonna be telling me about Roadhouse.

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Speaker 2: This is all about Roadhouse, another very entertaining movie that

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Speaker 2: maybe is objectively absurd, but still great, and so I

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Speaker 2: would put it in that category.

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Speaker 5: Also just remains eight uh set with Jake Gillenhall, if

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Speaker 5: I remember correctly, down in Key West

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Speaker 3: As you can't you can't remake a classic like that

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Speaker 3: one