1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky with you on 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: a Friday, Buck, what's going on? Man? 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: No Man, great Friday, a lot of fun, get a 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: great football weekend, a hit. So I'm excited about that. 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have got knowledge of NFL football, but we 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: have got the college football playoff right around the corner. 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: We'll get to those games of what we're looking forward 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: to there and a little bit as well as Bucky's 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: coach's corner. But starting this thing off, I'm I'm kind 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: of working my three way through guys. One of the 13 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it was a couple of weeks ago 14 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about the offensive line class 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: and how it looks like could be a really good 16 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: tackle class in this draft. Man, I gotta tell you 17 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: the headliner. You know, the quarterback's going to grab all 18 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: the attention, but this receiver group. When I give you 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: a number, Buck, I've already done. I've probably watched twenty 20 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: of them so far. I've got ten guys I gave 21 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: top fifty type grades too, like first second round guys 22 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: like it is, and I guess it shouldn't be a 23 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: surprise with what we the college game has been given us. 24 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: But it is another great year of whiteouts. 25 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, a great year wide out. So what that 26 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 2: means a couple of things. It means that we've talked 27 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: about it in years past about this being kind of 28 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: the golden age of seven on seven and how it 29 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: impacts the draft, and so a lot of times we 30 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: relate that to quarterbacks. But what it's really done is 31 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 2: it has created, i would say, a community of wide 32 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 2: receivers and pass catches that are more ready to play 33 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: than they've ever been. They've wrapped it out in terms 34 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: of running routes, catching passes. They've been doing it since 35 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: they were seven or eight years old. It's different than 36 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: the previous year. So what you're getting in theory is 37 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 2: a more polished product. The difference. They're polished in terms 38 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: of kind of playing and understanding touching the ball in 39 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: those things. They're not as polished in terms of route running, 40 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: depending on what kind of college system they're coming from. 41 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: But it gives you an opportunity to get some athletes 42 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: that are ready to play when you bring them into building, 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: provided you have a clear understanding of how to get 44 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: them ready to play the pro style. 45 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it stands out when you see guys 46 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: that have some route polish, that are asked to run 47 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: different things. And we'll go through some of these names 48 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: here in a minute, but there's some guys you watch 49 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: them and I'm like, man, I've watched every target, Like, 50 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: I've never seen him hit the brakes. I've never seen 51 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: him have to work back to the quarterback. I've never 52 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: seen a comeback. I've never seen a curl. It's just 53 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: speed outs, got takeoffs and slants like it. You know, 54 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: So it's hard. It's hard to see that. But I 55 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: will say at the very top of this draft, you know, 56 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior has been the name that everybody's known 57 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: about forever, obviously with his uh with his famous father, 58 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: but the production he's had at Ohio State, the attention 59 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: that he's got, he's got outstanding hands, body control, he's 60 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: just really really polished. I don't you know. I gave 61 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: him a huge grade. I mean like I gave him 62 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: a monster grade. My comparison was was fits with Larry 63 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald is somebody who's you know, the the measurables you 64 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: have from the school, from scouts to win. There's six 65 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: oh three two two hundred and eight pounds. 66 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: That's a big dude. 67 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: Obviously a different body type than his dad, but real, 68 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: real fluid. I don't think he has quite that like 69 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: when you watch Garrett Wilson, same school, you saw a 70 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: pop and a snap like getting out of brakes and 71 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: stuff like that. He doesn't have quite that same just 72 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: snap to him. But he's so fluid and so big 73 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: and so acrobatic and so athletic. You know it's he's 74 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: his own. He's his own dude there. But what a 75 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: he's a great player, man, Yeah, a great. 76 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: Play And I'll give you a little behind the scenes info. 77 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior had an opportunity to work with him, 78 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: obviously when I was doing all that stuff with Nike 79 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: the Camps now open. He came through and what was 80 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: fascinating was to learn that you would think that someone 81 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: who has a Hall of Fame wide receiver at his house, 82 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: that he would lean heavily on Marvin Harrison Senior for 83 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: a lot of his stuff. But Kevin Johnson, the old 84 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: quarterback at Syracuse who made the transition to wide receiver 85 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: played for the Cleveland Browns for a bunch of years. 86 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: He has been the guy that has really worked with 87 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: him on the field in terms of route running in 88 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: those things. Kevin has a facility in Jersey, I think 89 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: it's called eighty five where he has done that. And so, 90 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: like Marmon, Harrison Junior has not only gotten great coaching 91 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: every day on the couch from his dad, but he 92 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: has a family friend and trainer that has also helped 93 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: him go up to speed. And then when you think 94 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: about Ohio State and what Brian Hartline has done with 95 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: so many of those young receivers and how polished they've 96 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: been and how impactful they've been, right away, he is 97 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: one of the safest bets at wide receiver that you're 98 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: going to find because the pedigree not only is personal pedigree, 99 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: but the pedigree in terms of that program at Ohio State. 100 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: He should be ready to go. And he's a very 101 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: mature playmaker, which makes it really really easy to put 102 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: a big grade on him because you believe that he 103 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: is going to be everything that he's been to this point. 104 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, smart and polished, those are traits 105 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: that have translated very well to the next level and 106 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: he has that, and I'll tell you another guy who 107 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: has it. As a doonsday from Washington. I tweet out 108 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: the other day that he's my favorite, Like he's my 109 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: favorite of all these guys that I've studied, you know, 110 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: kind of going through my notes. He plays inside, he 111 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: plays outside. He's crisp, He's got unbelievable extension and catch radius. 112 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: He high points the ball, He's quick at the top. 113 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: I think he's better getting in and out than Marvin 114 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: is in terms of just he's got a little more 115 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: snap to him getting in and out of breaks. He's 116 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: physical through the route. He plays with just like a 117 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: bounce and an energy you know, which is kind of 118 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, you know it when you see it. But 119 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: he's just got a good energy, a good bounce about him, 120 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: big time adjustments, tracks the ball easy after the catch. 121 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: He can make you miss, and he's not afraid to 122 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: get dirty either. Also does a good job on the 123 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: run game, ultra ultra competitive and from the background stuff 124 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: I got on him similar to Marvin, and that incredibly intelligent, 125 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: knows all the positions. You know, He's not a run 126 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: out of bounce guy, which again I'm not saying that's 127 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: the be all end all, but just shows you a 128 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: little bit about the fighting competitiveness that he has. 129 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: Okay, so friend of the show, will Lucy come my 130 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: friend of the show. But Chris Peterson has been on 131 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 2: the show a couple of different times, and everything that 132 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: he's told us about, like the recruiting process, and okg's 133 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: our kind of guys, Like he sounds like he checks 134 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: off all those boxes, right, he checks off all those boxes. 135 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: You talk about highly intelligent, being able to take a 136 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: lot of information, being able to play multiple positions, then 137 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: having the toughness and the work ethic and all that 138 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: stuff that you want. The comparison should be made and 139 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: has been made to a little bit of like Jamar Chase, 140 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: because you remember Jamar Chase was kind of like not 141 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: necessarily a polished route run or whatever, but he is 142 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: what I would call a playmaker. Get him the ball 143 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: and let him go to work. I see him in 144 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: a similar light. He just man physical runs through contact, 145 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: difficult to bring down. And then when you talk about 146 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: the capacity to play multiple spots, DJ Man, there's just 147 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: so much value in having someone who is smart and 148 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: can outlign anywhere on the field, and he's very comfortable 149 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: doing that is something. There's something too that to me, 150 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: that's a separating factor from others. 151 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: We have a mutual friend and Chad Alexander whose dad 152 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: was Alexander, Yeah, and who coached Mike and coach IRV 153 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: and all those guys with the Cowboys for all those 154 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: years as a legendary receiver coach. But Chad used to 155 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: always say in meetings and draft meetings, he would talk 156 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: about guys that can work in the blood area, which 157 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: was a fascinating way of saying, guys that can work 158 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: in traffic, take and absorb hits and still catch the ball. 159 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: This dude is awesome in the blood area. He absorbs 160 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: contact and he has got strong hands. Man, he can 161 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: finish through contact, which is another nice trait to have. Again, 162 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: ability to use him inside and outside. I gave him. 163 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: I gave him the exact same grade I gave Marvin Harrison. 164 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: And we talk about guys that are going to travel 165 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: together through the process. For me, they're going to travel together. 166 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: We'll see how they separate, you know, you get more information, 167 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: see him live, see him move around, all those things. 168 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: We'll see how they separate. But that tells you how 169 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: highly I think it is. 170 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: I mean, he's a really good player, does a really 171 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: good job. And we always talk about styles, you know, 172 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: and what is it that your team is lacking? What 173 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: do you already have in place? That conversation could drive 174 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: a lot of who becomes wide receiver one. And I 175 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: know people always tend to think, yeah, but man, you 176 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: guys are like, how taking We're not hogh taken on 177 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison or just because that has been the name 178 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: that has been talked about. You have to remember, for 179 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: a lot of scouts, they're just now getting around these guys, 180 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: particularly at the top of They're just now beginning to 181 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: see and be like, Okay, I can see this guy 182 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: and that guy. Let's put them together. And then as 183 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: we get closer to the combine and as we're doing 184 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: more work, now let's separate them. So it's not quote 185 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: unquote unanimous that Marvin Harrison Junior is going to be 186 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 2: wide receiver one. Let's continue to get down the process 187 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: and see fit and who's available at the top of 188 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: the board, and which teams are picking at the top 189 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: is that could determine who ends up being white. 190 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: So in that next in that next little tier below 191 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: that from where we are right now. Malik Neighbors from 192 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: LSU who I wrote down DJ Moore when I watched him, Like, 193 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: he is freaking explosive. He's an interesting guy because there's 194 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: a lot of body catches but not a lot of drops. 195 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: And then he does show the ability and ball's above 196 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: his head, he can pluck it, he can catch it, 197 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: but he likes to he likes to rely on his 198 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: body a little bit more than I would prefer. Well, 199 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't drop the ball, so kind of interesting how 200 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: you put that all together. But he's he's again strong, 201 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: strong through contact with the ball in his hands. He 202 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: has a third gear when the ball goes up in 203 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: the air, like he can really track it and go 204 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: get it. But it's big time, big time yak. He 205 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: can run away from him. 206 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: He is. 207 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: He's special with the ball in his hands and has 208 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: produced a bunch of big plays. So you know, six 209 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: foot two hundred pound guy just he kind of reminded 210 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: me of of DJ Moore. DT Moore physical, strong, tough, 211 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: and really good with the ball in his hands. That's 212 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: what I saw here with Milik Neighbors. 213 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: Okay, it's funny and I'm gonna try and not I'm 214 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: trying to make you feel better about him being a 215 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 2: body catcher. Yep. And the reason why I will say 216 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: this is like a lot of people want in theory the 217 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: guy that is always the plucker, the one that always 218 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: catches it away from his body in those things. One 219 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 2: thing that I want to investigate is when we get 220 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: to the combine, how big are is hands. Yeah, sometimes 221 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: when you don't have big hands, that prevents you from 222 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: being able to be a snatcher. You know, my hands 223 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: are right at nine a little over nine, so it 224 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: wasn't very natural for me to always catch everything in 225 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: the hands. Secondly, Michael Irvin has talked about this, but 226 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: it's one of the things that I've learned. Michael Irvin 227 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: talked about the benefits of body catching sometimes in traffic, 228 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 2: depending on that you're catching a bunch of inbreaking routes, 229 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: slants in those things, and where the defenders are in proximity. 230 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: You want to be a good body catcher so you 231 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: don't extend and kind of leave yourself vulnerable to big 232 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: hits and big shots. So as we get down the 233 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: line and looking at the neighbors, just want to investigate 234 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: is this a thing that he can't catch with his 235 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: hands or does he have a preference for catching with 236 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: his body? And can you articulate why he's a body catch, 237 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: because if he can articulate it, then I can be like, oh, okay, 238 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: I can understand why those things is But after the catch, DJ, 239 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: he's that stuff we've talked about in recent shows. We 240 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: talked about the wide receivers that are hitting on, the 241 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: ones that have contact balance, the ones that can run 242 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: through arm tackles. Yeah, it kind of take some of 243 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: those those hits at the point of attack and continue 244 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: to move the ball down the field. We have said 245 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: that toughness is a common denominator for a lot of 246 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: success that we're seeing with running backs and wide receivers 247 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: because you got to be tough enough to deal with 248 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: some of that physicality. He has that and the other 249 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: thing that we know LSU has a great tradition of 250 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: producing wide receivers. We also know that he's been coached 251 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: hard because he's been under the watch for ir Brian Kelly. 252 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: No doubt as all great points. Buck the other one 253 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: that I have on that level with him. Again, different 254 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: body type, different type of player, but Ken Coleman, Florida State. 255 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: Big grade on him highlight reels, Like, if you want 256 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: to go catch for catching highlight reel catches, he'd be 257 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: the best. He's got unbelievable highlight reel catches. When you 258 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: watch him, he's fluid. Again, I'm talking one handers adjustments 259 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: like big time, big time hands and plays down the field. 260 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: But just he's real loose. I don't know how explosive 261 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: he is, Like I didn't get that. I didn't feel 262 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: him like that in terms of the juice and the explosiveness. 263 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: But smooth, fluid for a big guy. He's a tackle 264 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: breaker after the catch. He's got some nuance to him 265 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: as a route runner, which is a word that I've 266 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: used a lot more over the last couple of years, 267 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of it come up through our conversations, 268 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: Like we talk about craftsmen, Well, what is a craftsman? 269 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: A crafts I mean it's not cookie cutter. Like he's 270 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: got a little flow to him, a little feel to him, 271 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: little nuance to him, setting guys up, snapping guys off. 272 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: Again curiously, just how much pure juice he has. But 273 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: he's one of those guys when he's covered, he's still 274 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: open because he's got unbelievable hands. Man, he can get 275 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: huge catch rates, he can get he can go get it. 276 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the extra stuff. So DJ, all those things 277 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: we can't of co him. Watching him in Florida State, 278 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: watching him dominate. I love the edginess and the dog 279 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: competitor that he is. Man. The bigger the game, the 280 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: more he's willing to step it up, and he kind 281 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: of takes it over at times. I like the nuance, 282 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: as you say, like the route running being able for us, 283 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: being able to talk to Mike Norvel. We know that 284 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: Mike Norvel great offensive mind coming like his pedigree and 285 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: what he's come from, so you know that he's well prepped. 286 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: Also knowing a little bit about the inside of Florida 287 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: State and their program and how they move guys around 288 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 2: to create playmaking opportunities for him, So he certainly has 289 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: an aptitude to be able to understand how to kind 290 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: of play multiple spots within the formation to make plays. 291 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: But then the part that you said, the acrobatic catches 292 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 2: that he makes, DJ, that's the extra stuff. That's kind 293 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: of like the cherry on top of the Sunday Because 294 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: you like your number one guys to be able to 295 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: hey man, I'm gonna throw it up, just make me 296 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 2: wright and his ability to be able to do that 297 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 2: is one that's gonna encourage franchise quarterbacks to put the 298 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: ball up in in his area, particularly in these money situations. 299 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: Good players and so there you have that. You name what, two, three, four, 300 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: four guys. 301 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: Those are kind of that top tier for me of 302 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: the guys that I've done. 303 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, four guys at the top of the board that 304 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: have big time ability that are all pretty polished in 305 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: how they do it. And it's gonna come down to, 306 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: once again the ice cream shop, what is it that 307 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: we're lacking at the wide receiver position? Because for a 308 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: team that doesn't have a wide receiver like an established receiver, 309 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: but then maybe Marvin Harrison juniors get But for one 310 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: who we got a number one, but he's not fast, 311 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: I need something around him that compliments or maybe one 312 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: of the other guys. And so it's the conversation that 313 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: will be an interesting one as we get closer to 314 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: the combine and even closer to the draft. 315 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's some fun ones. Man. Again, I've seen 316 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: a ton of these guys, and as we get closer 317 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: to the draft, we'll see even more and we'll talk 318 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: about all of them, but just want to give you 319 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: a little snippet, a little taste there of what this 320 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: wide receiver position looks like heading into the twenty twenty 321 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: four NFL Draft. All right, Buck, let's take a let's 322 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: take a quick break. We come back. We are going 323 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: to we're going to talk about this college football playoff. 324 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: Who do we like there? And then we're gonna get 325 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: to your buckies' coach's corner right after this, all right, 326 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: buck playoff, I've I keep vacillating back and forth by 327 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: the way of who I think is gonna win these games? 328 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: And even like who people ask me, like, forget, who 329 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: do you think will win? Who do you want to 330 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: win these games? And I'm like, man, there's reasons to 331 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: want to watch all four of them continue on and play. 332 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: So it sounds it's probably not great for the podcast, 333 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: but like, I don't have a strong feeling in these 334 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: games of like, well, this one, you know, this team's win, 335 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna be great games. 336 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'd be great games. And I would say, like, 337 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: like putting aside the media member in me, the the coach, 338 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: the football fan. I love all four of the teams 339 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: for different reasons. I love the matchup between Alabama and 340 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: Michigan because two of my favorite coaches. Both of these 341 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: guys want physical, hard nos edgy teams, and so we're 342 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: going to see those teams battle out. I believe it's 343 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: the best job that Nick Saban has done, taking a 344 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: team and helping them grow over the course of the season. 345 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: I think their growth manifest itself obviously in the SEC Championship, 346 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people have kind of 347 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: fallen in love with the story. That said, I think 348 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: people need to be careful about overlooking Michigan in this 349 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: one because Alabama's kind of become the Cinderella story. This 350 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: is a team that has been dominant throughout the course 351 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: of the season. They've been dominant without their coach. They're 352 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: available for maybe what seven of the games, but yet 353 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: they didn't skip a beat. To me, that speaks to 354 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: their maturity, their competitive stamina to be able to kind 355 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: of get it done in all environments. And I also 356 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: know that this is a team that's going to carry 357 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: it chip into the Rose Bowl based on how they 358 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: didn't perform last year against TCU, might have taken it 359 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: to granted. For granted against TCU, I think that makes 360 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: them a better team that shows up in the Rose Bowl. 361 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: To me, I think is a very even Stephen matchup 362 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: is gonna come down to the things that normal it 363 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: normally does. Turnovers, penalty's, big plays allowed in quarterback play, 364 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: who plays better between Jen and mirrorro and JJ McCarthy. 365 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I again, I think that you nailed it. I 366 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: think that whoever gets the better ball game out of 367 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: their quarterback is going to win the game. I think 368 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: they're very, very evenly matched. I think neither one of 369 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: these teams going to get bullied. Alabama is big and physical. 370 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: Michigan hasn't seen that type of group yet, so that's 371 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of the unknown there. I just I 372 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: think Michigan's defensive front is going to be okay. I 373 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: don't think they're going to get the ball jam down 374 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: their throat. So I think it's a close game. I 375 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: think it comes down to the end. It's a coin 376 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: toss game. The other one I maybe have a little 377 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: stronger opinion on. I think Texas defense is really good. 378 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: I think SARK is an excellent game Planner. I think 379 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: he's an excellent play caller. He's got a lot of 380 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: time to kind of dial in here. But when I 381 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: look at it, I don't they've seen the best offense. 382 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: I would say overall passing offense that they've seen in 383 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: terms of competent quarterback and some weapons. Is Okla home 384 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: on Texas lost and Washington to me is on another 385 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: level quarterback wise, They're on another level receiver wise than 386 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: what Oklahoma was. I think Washington's gonna score points on Texas. 387 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna put up those receivers. Is not 388 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: just a dudees say. They've got two other really legit 389 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: NFL guys and now Texas has a solid quarterback and 390 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: they've got a couple big time receivers as well. I've 391 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: got a chance to study those guys, Unworthy and ad 392 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: Ni Mitchell. I think Washington's secondaries has seen Oregon. They've 393 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: seen this before. Oregon's got dudes on the outside. I 394 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: really don't think that Texas has seen an offense like 395 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: the one they're getting ready to play here. 396 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's interesting is DJ this is a rematch from 397 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 2: the boldseason a year ago. These teams squared off in 398 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: the Alamo Bowl, Texas came up on the short end 399 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: of it. It was twenty seven to twenty U dub What's 400 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 2: interesting and just kind of going back Quinn yours had 401 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty nine yards last year in that game, 402 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: Michael Fennix had two hundred in like two fifty two 403 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: six and he kind of threw it around the yard 404 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: and those things. So the thing about it is these 405 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 2: teams have matched up and they've seen each other, so 406 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,239 Speaker 2: that familiarity is going to be different. Even though it's 407 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: a year ago. You got different players. There's not going 408 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: to be like that. That fear factor in terms of that, 409 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: And because both quarterbacks played in both games, the coaches 410 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 2: actually had an opportunity to kind of get a feel for, 411 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: like what they like, how they reacted, how they responded 412 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: to those things. Both players obviously have made significant improvement 413 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: over the course of the year. But man, it's a 414 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 2: chess match. And so this game to me is a 415 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 2: fourth quarter affair, the hot quarterback being able to get 416 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: it done. And this Washington team, because I know everybody 417 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 2: I was one includers, like man, Organ's gonna knock them out. 418 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: Like Oregon is a better team, right, I know, and 419 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 2: they absolutely. 420 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: Earned physical man. Well, their offensive line is really good. 421 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: Washington's offensive line is really good. 422 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 2: Man, the physical team, and they got some nastiness to them. 423 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: So I just kind of lean. I leaned towards Washington 424 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: without Ain't that a Texas is soft or anything. I 425 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: just just that feeling when I look at these teams. Man, 426 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: there's some edginess to to you, dub that leads me 427 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: to believe that they will win a close one. 428 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, So if we have to pick a winner, I 429 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: will say I think we get Washington Alabama in the 430 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: in the championship game is what I will go with. 431 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm gonna go a little differently. I'm gonna 432 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: go with Michigan because I think Michigan beats Alabama. Let's 433 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 2: go Michigan. And I just talked about Washington, So Michigan Washington. 434 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: There you go. So that all that means is Washington's 435 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: not gonna win because we both have Washington. 436 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: That's all Texas have. Blow them out and then we'll 437 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: be to Texas on that. Yeah. Here stand upon the 438 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 2: pot and say no one believed in us US. 439 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: Okay, that's I like you, I know, I do too, 440 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: all right, Bucky's coaches corner. What's our word this week? 441 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: What's our phrase? Servant leadership? 442 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: And I think it comes at at a perfect time. 443 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 2: We've seen some things that have happened over the course 444 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: of the week where you worry about UH coaches and 445 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: leading in the those things, but servant leadership from coach 446 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 2: to players, from player to players, like can you put 447 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: other people's interests above yourself? Can you sacrifice some of 448 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: your own desires to make others better, to put others 449 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: in a position to succeed, and then you benefit on 450 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: the back end. A lot of what the best teams 451 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: do is they care so much about one another that 452 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: they're willing to sacrifice to make sure that their teammates 453 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: are better, and in turn, everybody benefits from that. It 454 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: is something that's always talked about, but I think few 455 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 2: people are able to do it. I would say from 456 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: the goodness of their heart. Some people will say, oh, 457 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 2: I'm a servant leader, but then they want things in return. 458 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: True servant leadership is making sure that I'm doing these 459 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: things because I really want this guy to have the 460 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 2: best opportunities to succeed. And if everyone takes on that 461 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: you always get it on the thing, but it's not 462 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 2: with selfish intentions. It's really done to make sure that 463 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: the people that you run around you have an opportunity 464 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: to really succeed and succeed at a high level. Yeah. 465 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: I love you know, trying to navigate around the proper 466 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: questions to ask players when they're coming into the draft. 467 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 2: Now. 468 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: We love the one where we talked about the ages, right, 469 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: the highlight, the hardship, the hero. That's a good one. 470 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: I love this other one too, though, of give me 471 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: examples of how you've made somebody else better. So you know, 472 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: all these guys are gonna get asked like, how did 473 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: you get how did you improve? Show me your work ethic, 474 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: you know how passionate are you about the game? Well, 475 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: how about tell me how you made a teammate better. 476 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: What have you done to help a teammate get better? 477 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting way to get to whether 478 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: or not you have kind of that servant leadership trait. 479 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think it's a great way to do it. 480 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: And DJ, this is the time of year where we 481 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 2: have these one on one interviews with players. When we 482 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: were scouts, you're really trying to get to know the player, 483 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 2: but DJ a lot of it can be seen on 484 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: the field a week ago whatever we saw the incident 485 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: with George Pickens and not blocking. To me, that's the 486 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 2: level of servant leadership if you go out on the 487 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: career there and block. I'm blocking because I want to 488 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: see my teammate have an opportunity to maximize the play 489 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: to maybe score a touchdown. I'm doing it knowing that 490 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: i can put myself on harm's way, but I'm willing 491 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: to do it because this is what i want to 492 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: do for him. So to me, that's what That's everything 493 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: when it comes to it. 494 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that because I want to tell 495 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: you about and this is hopefully I don't get in 496 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: trouble with him, but because there's a conversation we had 497 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: off the air before the pregame last week. James Lofton 498 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: was doing the national call, so we get a chance 499 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: to have him on our the pregame show, and then 500 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: we sat and visited it for a while and I 501 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,239 Speaker 1: asked him, you know, think about James Lofton. Everybody knows 502 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: it's a Hall of Fame receiver. James Lofton also also 503 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: a receivers coach for quite some time in this league, 504 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: including you know what, they're with the Chargers. So I said, James, 505 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: what would you do to if George Pickens was in 506 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: your room? He goes, oh, I know exactly what I do. 507 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean? He said, all the 508 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: receivers are getting the meeting for the room. And I'd say, 509 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: hold on, we'll be back in just a minute. I 510 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: go George, and I'd take George and I walk down 511 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: the hallway and I'd open up the running back room 512 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: and I'd say, all right, guys, George is gonna explain 513 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: to you why he doesn't think you're worth blocking for. 514 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: Go ahead. 515 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: George. 516 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: I was like whoo. 517 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I mean, and I'm sitting here 518 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: thinking that's genius. Well, first of all, what are you 519 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: gonna say? James? Often he's a Hall of Famer, so 520 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: he was. He was, okay to do that, But you're 521 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: not all of a sudden, you've accomplished so much now 522 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: that you don't need to do that and face the 523 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: guys that you're not doing this for face talent. Just 524 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: tell him I don't think you're worth my time. I 525 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: don't think you're worth my effort, You're not worth the 526 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: risk like that. That was a genius way of how 527 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: to handle that situation. 528 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: No, look, look it was a situation. They caught a 529 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: lot of things. Uh look, he caught a lot of 530 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 2: flag forward and two themes be done at once. Because 531 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: I later listened to Bill Coward talking about it on 532 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: the McAfee show and he talked about you know, culture 533 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: and environment and creating those things, and so DJ the 534 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: coaching me, wrestled with that situation like, well, what would 535 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: you do with George Pickens and that, like what would 536 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: be the thing that you would do? Because I heard 537 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin talk about like the talent, Oh, I'm not 538 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: gonna sit him down. But then and look it worked 539 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: out for the still the short term. 540 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: You had a huge game. 541 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: You had a huge game. But then I'm like, well, 542 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 2: is that the lesson that you that you really want? 543 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: Do you do you sit them down? At some point? 544 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: You got to show you gotta have some consequences. Not 545 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: saying that you got to cut them, but I'm saying 546 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: like there has to be something we have to understand. 547 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: Hey man, everybody works together. We got to do this, 548 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: and it worked out I want to continue to see 549 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: what it looks like going forward. But what James Lofton did, 550 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 2: that's a real interesting thing because who you're answering to, Yeah, 551 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: you're really answering to your teammates. 552 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was again, I think it it's your 553 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's your term for the week. But 554 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: servant leadership. I think that's a great example in real 555 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: life for what that looks like. 556 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, you have you have to serve, 557 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: and you know, like those who believe have a deeper meaning, 558 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: but you just talk about like, uh, it's as simple 559 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: as like watching somebody's feet, Like just being able to 560 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: serve and sacrifice and just being able to do that. 561 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 2: If you're willing to do that, it just opens up 562 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: so much for for for for others, if you're willing 563 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: to humble yourself enough to just make the ultimate sacrifice 564 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: for your teammates, because then you create an environment where 565 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: everybody's willing to make that sacrifice. And when everybody makes 566 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: that sacrifice, that's when you experience the highest levels of success. 567 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: And you know who's the happiest in that scenario, the 568 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: guy who did the giving. You know, it's like the 569 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: old saying right with Christmas, right, it's better to give 570 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: than to receive. I mean, like it's obviously we go 571 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: into biblical world, we can go down that road washing 572 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: feet and all that, but like literally it is you 573 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: gotta feel better about yourself when you do something nice 574 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: for somebody else. When you serve somebody else, you can 575 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: end up film better yourself. You're gonna win. 576 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 2: And it's the authenticity. And we've seen like the best 577 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: teams are really connected beyond just a what can I 578 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 2: do for myself? Like they're really happy and excited to 579 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 2: see their teammates score. They're the first ones to run 580 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 2: down and celebrate with those guys. That's what it is. 581 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: It's about like giving up and kind of leaving the 582 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 2: game in a better place. And the only way you 583 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: can do that is to give up yourself for others 584 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: so they can take where you've gone and go even farther. 585 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: And so certain these it plays a part of that. 586 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: If you're gonna win it, if you want to win, 587 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: and you want to win at the high stuff, you 588 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 2: want to have a lot of success, uh in whatever 589 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 2: in the endeavor is as a group, you got to 590 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: serve others, serve others before you serve yourself, and then 591 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: the team will ultimately benefit no doubt. 592 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: Well that's gonna do it for us this week. It's 593 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: been a fun, fun week here. I hope you guys 594 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: continue to have a wonderful holiday season as we march 595 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: towards the new year. Great weekend, Be safe and uh 596 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: and we'll see it back here next week. On both 597 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: these things.