WEBVTT - I'm Not Your Cis, But We Are Family

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to We talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio

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<v Speaker 1>and the Black Effect Network.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion who talks.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, y'all? Thank you for tuning in for a

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<v Speaker 1>new episode We talk Back, a show dedicated to you

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<v Speaker 1>dreamers and chasers. This is your co host a j

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<v Speaker 1>Helly Thing. What's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Tam Bam? Hey, y'all. I love y'all. This shiit dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>to niggas and hosts. This week period.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Joy?

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<v Speaker 2>How's your weekend? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck was this? What did I do this

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<v Speaker 1>past weekend? I did go see Bad Boys?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? What do you think? I saw it too?

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<v Speaker 1>It was you know, I don't know. Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go, y'all. Okay, it's a pre warning. I

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<v Speaker 1>just can't watch Martin Laurence act because I really feel

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<v Speaker 1>like somebody has like some strings on him and like

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<v Speaker 1>pulling him. It's like a puppe tear type thing going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just some questionable things they had him doing,

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<v Speaker 1>like showing his ass on the roof, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like the old Martin Lawrence would never

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<v Speaker 1>even though he plays shit ain't a and all these

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<v Speaker 1>other female characters like we ain't never seen Martin ask, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck is going on? Marn was a real

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<v Speaker 1>nigga on a kid and play on house party and

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<v Speaker 1>shit like still a real nigga on the Martin Show,

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<v Speaker 1>like it ain't ask nah dog, I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>But and then I also didn't like the fucking hit

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<v Speaker 1>Black Hair, Like we know y'all niggas is older black gentleman. Now, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all playing hair.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you like about the movie?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like an ai as fuck. It was some

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<v Speaker 1>funny parts.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>My my pupils was like, what's the movie funny? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you know, people hadn't ask me did I

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<v Speaker 1>like the movie? And I'm like, I don't know. It

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<v Speaker 1>definitely wasn't Bad Boys one through two, one through three.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say that I enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I loved the nostalgia

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<v Speaker 2>of this brand bringing it back and keeping the story going.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Mexican Chris Brown. Fun it was funny. Who

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<v Speaker 2>is that nigga or a person? I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>if he's black, but he is you to fall. I

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<v Speaker 2>love watching him. I love the part where Reggie, yeah

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<v Speaker 2>that video game. It was like, oh your family, and

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<v Speaker 2>he got he killed everybody. I was like, oh, Hercules, Hercules, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>let him cook that chicken. He could cook everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought they were gonna come back at the end

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, damn, this chicken actually real good. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was going to be like one little

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<v Speaker 1>last piece. But now that was my favorite partner. Reggie

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<v Speaker 1>was cutting up in the house, killing everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing for me, So during that part,

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<v Speaker 2>what't they didn't they have another singing? Like because in

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<v Speaker 2>the in three, they rushed to the hospital because she

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<v Speaker 2>was giving birth Martin Lawrence's daughter, Martin Lawrence. In the

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<v Speaker 2>opening scene of three, they're flying through the city streets

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<v Speaker 2>of Miami, driving on the beach and everything to get

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<v Speaker 2>to the hospital because she was giving birth to a child. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>where was that kid in this one? Right? That kid

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<v Speaker 2>just disappeared, that baby like RAINA. I don't nobody give

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<v Speaker 2>a fuck about.

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<v Speaker 3>Raynam to help.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't remember movies like you do, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even I remember it now since you say

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<v Speaker 1>like that that was the opening scene, But I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even think about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because even even in the end of the third one,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Laurie was babysitting for a few days so Martin

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<v Speaker 2>and his wife could go off and have a retreat.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly Okay, where did the baby go? Like maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>writers don't didn't even remember they was like, fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>That baby, it's a new story. And then another thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I wonder why they change Martin's wife. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>fan of the woman who played Martin's wife in this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>She plays in a lot of things. She plays angry

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<v Speaker 2>black woman and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And her twin. I didn't even realize she was a

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<v Speaker 1>twin fall very long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's a twin. Does her sister act as well?

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<v Speaker 2>I think?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I did not know that we might be seeing

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<v Speaker 2>them both and don't even know it, like Tya and Tamara.

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<v Speaker 2>God damn. But the woman who had originally paid played

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<v Speaker 2>his wife. She was also on Girl six that's a

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<v Speaker 2>Spike Lee movie, and I loved her as the wife,

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<v Speaker 2>so I wonder why she didn't participate in the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>But other than that, I really enjoyed it. I went

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<v Speaker 2>on a blind date and he was late, so I

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<v Speaker 2>went ahead. In the movie, without him. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>came in and I had got me some popcorn and

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<v Speaker 2>some chocolate because that's what I enjoy when I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>the movies. And he was like, judge me talking about

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<v Speaker 2>all you eat. You put that processed food in your body. Boy,

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<v Speaker 2>watch the movie and get right, because this is really

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<v Speaker 2>the only time I eat popcorn. Like right, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I said. I was like, this is the only time

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<v Speaker 2>I would eat this is in a movie, So relax.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's the guy? Like, how do you mean a blind date?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you meet him on a dating.

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<v Speaker 2>Website or something Instagram?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit?

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<v Speaker 2>He had muscles and shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, okay, but and he came there

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<v Speaker 1>judging your fitness.

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<v Speaker 2>He came and judging my dietary choices, Like damn, you

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<v Speaker 2>just got here, sit down, you late? Ain't you judging? Nigga? Shame?

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<v Speaker 2>I was because I offer he something. He was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I would never put nothing like that in my body.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, here we go. I'll never put

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<v Speaker 2>you in my body, so so here we go. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>get him a sense. Oh wait, wait, wait, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>talk about my weekend. I thought that was it. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead. I went back to YACHTI Body by YACHTI

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<v Speaker 2>Artemis and Apollo for my third round of radio frequency,

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<v Speaker 2>and this time I got my chin radio frequency and

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<v Speaker 2>it's skinnier. Let me see.

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<v Speaker 1>It, dude, look a little Okay, I can see some definition.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, Wait a minute, shit working bitch. I

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<v Speaker 2>got a minute because my turkey neck looking more like

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<v Speaker 2>a chicken neck right now? Okay, started profile. Okay, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I finally get one.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a non evasive procedure. What is the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of something like that? Like what I because I

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<v Speaker 1>I think I might have googled some shit and I've

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<v Speaker 1>actually done like some laser or something before, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it was that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's affordable. It's not very expensive, but it ain't cheap either,

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<v Speaker 2>But it it's affordable. You know, It's way more affordable

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<v Speaker 2>than getting liposuction or pdo threads or ky bella, which

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<v Speaker 2>I've done all of those, and none of that ship worked,

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<v Speaker 2>none of them. This is the only thing that I've

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<v Speaker 2>done actually seeing now that I don't know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how you have to ask yachty, So is it

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<v Speaker 2>like y'all in.

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<v Speaker 1>The fat sales to where it like over time? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it something you have to continuously.

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<v Speaker 2>It has it has something to do with like collagen

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<v Speaker 2>reproduction and heat and some ship. She said, y'all gotta

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<v Speaker 2>ask YACHTI like, go to the yachty page body by yachty.

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<v Speaker 2>She got all the answers to that question. But my

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<v Speaker 2>turkey neck is gone, y'all, it's almost gone. And I

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<v Speaker 2>only did one time, so imagine after three, my shit

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be snatched.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, y'all, chins, I said.

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<v Speaker 2>For the summer period, y'all, let's get in the sins.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So now y'all remember recent tisa which recent Teasaine

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<v Speaker 1>died down child for When was that, like, uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, February or so when that came out or

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<v Speaker 1>earlier than that anyway. So now there's another girl who

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<v Speaker 1>just put out a little story time. She actually called

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<v Speaker 1>it trauma dump because she ain't like Resa teach this

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<v Speaker 1>a real nigga, okay. And she was telling a story

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<v Speaker 1>about how she didn't find out that her best friend

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<v Speaker 1>of ten years had the same baby daddy as her

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<v Speaker 1>until their baby showers. So she was she had a

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend right that she had been dating for three years.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna just give y'all A quick little yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>she had a boyfriend she had been dating for three years,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had a best friend who she had known,

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<v Speaker 1>you know for about ten years or so. So she

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<v Speaker 1>said she had helped her friend out, you know, going

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<v Speaker 1>through a rough past. She was living in her mom,

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<v Speaker 1>so she let her come stay to her house, and

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<v Speaker 1>she just feel like, maybe that's when this thing might

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<v Speaker 1>have happened. But let's just fast forward. Fuck the backstory.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're both pregnant now, right. Her friend says, I'm pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a one night stand. I don't know, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. I don't know what I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever, but I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>still have this baby. She's pregnant for her man. She

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<v Speaker 1>knows who her baby daddy is, right, So she has

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<v Speaker 1>her baby shower one day. The friend told her she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't having a baby shower, you know, because she just

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<v Speaker 1>stressed out about the whole situation. This, that, and the third.

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<v Speaker 1>So some mutual friends asked her what she attending so

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<v Speaker 1>and Soul's baby shower, and She'm like, wait, that bitch

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<v Speaker 1>told me she ain't having no baby shower. Now this

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<v Speaker 1>is somebody they was naming their kids the same middle name.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your godmom, you're my baby's godmom. Like this is like,

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<v Speaker 1>my bitch, this is like me and you having some

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<v Speaker 1>fucking kids and were pregnant at the same time situation.

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<v Speaker 1>But somebody being a weird Yes, so she says, her

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<v Speaker 1>and her friends they shared locations, So she said, the

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<v Speaker 1>dumb bitch didn't turn off for a location, so she

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<v Speaker 1>went and see, like, what's the location. On that date,

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<v Speaker 1>she was at her grandma house. The baby, her friend's

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<v Speaker 1>baby showers at the grandma house. She gets there and

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<v Speaker 1>see her baby daddy's car outside. She goes in his mama, dad,

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<v Speaker 1>grandma there like the same people who was at her

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<v Speaker 1>shit the day before. So everybody knew but her that

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<v Speaker 1>her man had her best friend pregnant, had her baby

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<v Speaker 1>shower the day before, so she called her cousins. When

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<v Speaker 1>she saw his car side, she called her family and

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, she come from a long line of

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<v Speaker 1>crash dummies. Okay, So everybody pulled the fuck up and

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<v Speaker 1>they went in there. They took all the girl presents, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they had mama and the headlock. She smacked the bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. They got the fuck out

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<v Speaker 1>of there, so right, and she said when they all

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<v Speaker 1>like congregated back at her house to like discuss what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening, and she said she was calling her brother

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<v Speaker 1>because they never her brother never showed up because the brother,

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<v Speaker 1>the baby daddy ran out the side door when she

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<v Speaker 1>pulled up, he ran. Okay, so the baby her brother

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<v Speaker 1>never showed up because they're chasing the baby daddy on

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<v Speaker 1>the highway. They caught the nigga, like, so he runs

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<v Speaker 1>out of gas running from them. It's a whole Like

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<v Speaker 1>this shit is so fucking funny to me because come

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<v Speaker 1>to find out now after two years now, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>when she when they were now because they had the

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<v Speaker 1>baby showers at six months pregnant, and technically her, her girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>her homegirl, got pregnant before her. So you got my

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<v Speaker 1>friend pregnant and then got me pregnant, right, so her

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<v Speaker 1>the girl they're both six months though at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and they talk. They finally talk after the baby shower

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<v Speaker 1>tobacco and all this shit, and she was like the

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<v Speaker 1>girl store wasn't really trying to take no accountability. And

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<v Speaker 1>she also said she wasn't sure if the dude was

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<v Speaker 1>her baby daddy or not. So fast forward two years later,

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<v Speaker 1>DNA tests because another nigga hits the baby daddy up

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<v Speaker 1>like she told me, this was my kid type thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not even this man's child.

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<v Speaker 2>M he did fuck, he did hit right, But that

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<v Speaker 2>ain't They're so try Can you imagine? Could you imagine? No? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I could not imagine that. I couldn't think of anybody

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm close with doing some shit like that to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I have friends, I have people who I'm no longer

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<v Speaker 1>friends with, and I can almost expect that from them

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<v Speaker 1>people after the things that have transpired after the friendships. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be like that person might be capable of

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<v Speaker 1>some shit like that, because people, that's all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's insane right there, having a baby shower, like what

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<v Speaker 2>you was gonna do, try to hide the baby forever

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<v Speaker 2>from your best friend? You was gonna have them on

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<v Speaker 2>playdates and acting like you don't know who the dad is,

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<v Speaker 2>Like how was you supposed to do this?

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<v Speaker 1>How and what was it that.

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<v Speaker 2>They go to looking alike? And shit, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>it turned out not being his but still yeah, not

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<v Speaker 2>just his family all complicit.

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<v Speaker 1>That's who I would really be paused back because she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, she didn't really get along with his family

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<v Speaker 1>like that, so I guess they probably And actually he said,

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<v Speaker 1>she said that the boyfriend told her that he had

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<v Speaker 1>told his mom, and his mom told him not to

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<v Speaker 1>tell her. Why are you doing that to another woman?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? My question is now, did she get back with

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<v Speaker 2>that nigga? Did she stay with him?

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<v Speaker 1>She said? And I know y'all can't ask it, but

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<v Speaker 1>hell no, I stayed ten tolls down on that nigga.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was like, why would you even you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>like me and you, I tell you all my people business,

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<v Speaker 1>like you probably know the ins and out of whatever relationship, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So imagine you're still fucking on this dude knowing he

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<v Speaker 1>ain't shit and getting pregnant for him, right, because you

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<v Speaker 1>really want my ship. That's really it's not about the

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<v Speaker 1>man at that point, like you want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be you're jealous of me? Yeah, you're jealous, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>I can I don't I don't understand, like, why you

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<v Speaker 1>signing up the struggle along with me? You already know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm probably in a bad situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Going through it. But she was don't care she didn't feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad about taking all the gifts and ship because the

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<v Speaker 1>baby is innocent. But that's not even his kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the sister the parrot all on the child because

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<v Speaker 2>child listen, And so, y'all, I don't think I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have hit her in that moment though, I'm not hitting

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<v Speaker 2>a pregnant woman. But as soon as that baby mutual combat,

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as both of us dropped these loads, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>coming to see about you.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely would have fought that bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Right then and there. No, because I'd be worried about

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<v Speaker 2>my own No, not pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have waited. I definitely would have waited. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>patient with revenge, very patient.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely would have been patient. I definitely was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>beat that bitch ut once some baby drops, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>just a slap ain't enough easy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So look, did y'all did y'all know that the original

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<v Speaker 1>use for light saw wasn't just like for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>surface disinfectant and shit like that. So apparently in the

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen hundreds, there's a lot of different You can

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<v Speaker 1>actually google this, okay. You could find advertisement to people

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<v Speaker 1>to women for the use of liesol as a feminine

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<v Speaker 1>hygiene product. Okay, say what now, you women with spraying

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<v Speaker 1>a kuchi with lysol in the early nineteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Lyesol is a product of Germany, which a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of products are. And I have my theories, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because we talk about Nazi Germany. Okay, a lot of

0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:48.400
<v Speaker 1>y'all be confused in Nazis with Russia. But the Nazis

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<v Speaker 1>came out of Germany, so this is where you get

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<v Speaker 1>your high fructose corn syrup and shit like that.

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<v Speaker 2>They created all these.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucked up things that we still use in America to

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<v Speaker 1>this day.

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't never sprayed lights al on my pussy, No

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<v Speaker 2>me neither.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I spray light saw, it really affects my breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if I spray light saw, I step out the

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<v Speaker 1>room immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl I used to I'm still not as much as

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<v Speaker 2>I used to be. But one of them black people

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<v Speaker 2>that I pul ajx light. Soolt bitch you about cause

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<v Speaker 2>the chemical file, all purpose cleaner, awesome, all in the

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<v Speaker 2>tub at once be about the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fat girl chemical suffocation. So they market it like the

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<v Speaker 1>advertisement shows like you know, for to be fresh, smell

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<v Speaker 1>fresh or whatever. But really because at that time, contraceptives

0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:49.080
<v Speaker 1>were illegal. It was really for induced to abortion is

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<v Speaker 1>with the lightsaw.

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<v Speaker 2>So they'd be squirting it up there pussy to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, rm cells and ship like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, listen, y'all. Don't get no fucking ideas off of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to this. That shit is not gonna work today.

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<v Speaker 2>So don't do it. If you're listening this, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>how it works, baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl, don't do it. Don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Go get your morning after pilsils. Don't sprain, no lights

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<v Speaker 2>out like I got some lights all right here? No,

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<v Speaker 2>don't do that. Yeah, goodness, lad you know. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>kind of practices that were in the early nineteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>that just now you're looking back, you're like, wow, that

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<v Speaker 2>was insane because they used to like go to the

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<v Speaker 2>doctor to get fingered.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really not insane because vibrators didn't exist at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I always say, like I feel like female

0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.639
<v Speaker 1>orgasms is like a new age thing. Niggas did not

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<v Speaker 1>give a fuck if he was coming in on. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're bitch is just wilding out at the house with hysteria, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's hysteria.

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<v Speaker 2>So and then she gets fingered, go to the doctor

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<v Speaker 2>to make her come right quick, right, and now she's

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<v Speaker 2>back to nor I saw Cuchie right that part.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye'ah. Let's talk about Tiana Taylor and Emon Schumpert for

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<v Speaker 1>a second. This was a couple of goals just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little while ago last year year before, they had

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful like engagement video.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw all the good things they got, these two

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful kids. They basically had the.

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<v Speaker 1>Same baby twice. But now and they again a divorce

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<v Speaker 1>and it's and it seems like it's real nasty. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like Tianna Taylor was trying to keep it under

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<v Speaker 1>wraps because the first person I saw come out about

0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.440
<v Speaker 1>it was this nigga. Okay, and Tianna Taylor did put

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<v Speaker 1>out a post one saying that she was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it sealed. So he was the one that was

0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.000
<v Speaker 1>putting on information about what was all in divorce. But

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<v Speaker 1>now more every week there's some new ship coming out.

0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.760
<v Speaker 1>So apparently this nigga wants everything back. Give me my jewelry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on gifting that condo. This is the statements he's

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<v Speaker 1>been making in court and shit or mediation or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we want to get married, girl, I'm scared.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna just tell you this is my last motherfucking

0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.440
<v Speaker 1>relationship and it's a refurbished one. Okay, so this shit

0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:21.880
<v Speaker 1>don't fucking work. Now, I'm outside until nineteen I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I say, nineteen ninety nine, until ninety nine. I'm outside

0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:32.199
<v Speaker 1>until ninety nine forever, I'm outside, Like I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>after you have conversations with women who have been married,

0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:40.440
<v Speaker 1>who have children, failed relationships, they be a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>happier by themselves a lot of times, because you know,

0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.480
<v Speaker 1>like niggas like to talk shit like, oh, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>die alone. Okay, nigga, We're gonna die alone regardless, because

0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:50.400
<v Speaker 1>your ass is dying first anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know that women outlive men. You're right,

0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.439
<v Speaker 2>they do, you know, live.

0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Mess them out probably die sooner.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I just hate that for them because they

0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.960
<v Speaker 2>did have like such a beautiful family and now it's

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<v Speaker 2>being dissolved for the same reasons that you know, a

0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.479
<v Speaker 2>lot of relationships, and I just do you know, I

0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 2>try to be hopeful for myself and maybe I'm waiting

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<v Speaker 2>as long because my next person will be my forever person.

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<v Speaker 1>But it so you do it at fifty bitch, fuck you.

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<v Speaker 2>Better be forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally got a boyfriend at sixty, ain't god but a

0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.480
<v Speaker 1>good thirty lit years left.

0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:38.880
<v Speaker 2>But I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been telling my mom all the time. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>give a fuck up. I'm a hundred. If I ain't happy,

0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting the fuck up out of there early, early,

0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.800
<v Speaker 1>and so I don't give grace anymore. I'm sorry. Not

0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.080
<v Speaker 1>in relationships, I don't like. I don't feel like that

0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:55.840
<v Speaker 1>shit no more. I feel like we are at this

0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.560
<v Speaker 1>big age. We know exactly who we are for the

0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.160
<v Speaker 1>most part, right, because you still got room for you grow,

0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:02.399
<v Speaker 1>still grown.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you, you know me, We should be able

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<v Speaker 1>to from the very beginning, can I deal with this person?

0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 3>And not?

0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Because that's all a relationship business. How much shit you

0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.040
<v Speaker 1>could deal with from another motherfucker, that's all of it, right,

0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 1>And once you can't deal with some shit, it's over with.

0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.280
<v Speaker 1>But I just, yeah, I'm out of there at one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred if need be.

0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:23.080
<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate when it get nasty like that, like Simon

0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and Porsche. That shit getting ugly too, Yes, it's getting

0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:29.560
<v Speaker 2>real ugly.

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<v Speaker 1>Who the fuck is Porsche? Who the fuck was she

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<v Speaker 1>married to?

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<v Speaker 2>Like? Who?

0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.359
<v Speaker 1>What's his real name? Is that the real name? Or

0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:36.359
<v Speaker 1>is it what's the name? Is that the name he

0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.560
<v Speaker 1>stayed in the country with, Like, what's the name? Girl?

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<v Speaker 2>Who the fuck?

0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:40.399
<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I hate that for her. I really hate that.

0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.240
<v Speaker 1>For her because just the year before, she was sitting

0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.959
<v Speaker 1>on stage at the Black Effect Podcast Festival, and you know,

0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.360
<v Speaker 1>she did a segment before we talk back, and we

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about the shrimp and being tied at a

0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.240
<v Speaker 1>shrimp and can't you be with one person forever? Like

0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:02.119
<v Speaker 1>it's just like, like, I mean, I'm pretty she had

0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to say the things. But shortly thereafter, here we are.

0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Here we are. Man, that's scary, y'all. Y'all got a

0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 2>good one. Hold on to him tight, baby, because if

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.440
<v Speaker 2>you don't and y'all break up and he good, I'm

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:18.359
<v Speaker 2>coming to get his ass. I said to God.

0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:25.960
<v Speaker 1>All the good ones and miserable relationships, all good ones

0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:28.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out how they can lead us, bitch

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.240
<v Speaker 1>and still have access to their kids. I know some

0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I know, yes, man, I know some men who are

0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:41.399
<v Speaker 1>really getting ran through by bad women. It's not a

0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:46.000
<v Speaker 1>gender neutral thing, like you got bad people.

0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, speaking of gender neutral, our conversation today is about

0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:56.440
<v Speaker 2>gender identity. And we have a trance guest on today,

0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:58.720
<v Speaker 2>so y'all stay tuned cause we're gonna have a really

0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 2>good conversation about trans issues. We'll be right back. Okay, guys,

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 2>we are back. And last week we had Flame and

0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Row on and I mentioned that one of my good

0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:19.119
<v Speaker 2>friends had a trans son and I was very ignorant

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:23.840
<v Speaker 2>about trans people. And Flame said that because she was

0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:29.119
<v Speaker 2>an older generation trans person, younger generation trans people hated

0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 2>her pretty much. So I feel like it would be

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.640
<v Speaker 2>good to get my friend's son on so we can

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:39.399
<v Speaker 2>have the conversation, so I can get better educated, and

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:43.240
<v Speaker 2>so can you, guys. So welcome Michael Hogan till we

0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 2>talk back. Thank you for joining us. I appreciate you

0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.080
<v Speaker 2>taking time out to do this. Your mama said you

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:53.400
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't do it, so I'm surprised that you came on. No.

0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:55.720
<v Speaker 4>I when she asked me, I was like, oh, yeah, sure,

0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:59.479
<v Speaker 4>and she was like, really, I believe it.

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:05.760
<v Speaker 2>She was surprised. Okay, So I have some questions for you.

0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.960
<v Speaker 2>If you feel like it's just too much, be like, girl, no,

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.960
<v Speaker 2>don't do that, okay, And that's okay. I won't be

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:15.200
<v Speaker 2>offended and let me just put the disclaimer out there

0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:20.960
<v Speaker 2>is I'm pretty ignorant. Okay, So if the question sounds

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 2>stupid or dumb or just girl, what the fuck you

0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:26.920
<v Speaker 2>talk about? Please correct me at any time. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I promise you. I've heard worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and everything is coming, you know, with love when

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:34.080
<v Speaker 1>we talked back.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Period. That's the part that we need to say first.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get into it. What is the difference

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<v Speaker 2>between being trans and gay? Or is there a difference?

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<v Speaker 3>It's not, damn right, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Some questions to know about him first, God, damn go ahead, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>I told you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't get into it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, I would definitely say that there's a difference.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, I mean, we get two separate letters

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<v Speaker 4>in the LGBT acronym. But most of all, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I find that, you know, gender and sexuality are just

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<v Speaker 4>completely separate, you know, like how you see yourself, how

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<v Speaker 4>you want to present yourself, how I want people to

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<v Speaker 4>see you. It's completely different from who you are romantically

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<v Speaker 4>and sexually attracted to. So yes, they're they're very different things.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you guys, did everybody watch Orange, The New Orange,

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 4>The New Black? On Netflix. Okay, well, this happens in

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:41.199
<v Speaker 4>the first season. They're the trans woman. Laverne Cox plays her. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>when she transitions, she still wants to be married to

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 4>her wife, like it just had nothing to do with

0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:48.160
<v Speaker 4>who she was attracted to. It just was about how

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<v Speaker 4>she wanted to be seen, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, same thing with Flay Monroe. So he excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>well she I mean he does. He goes, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really subscribe to the pronouns and all that stuff. Right,

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 1>So her partner, his partner is a woman, genetically born woman, right,

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.159
<v Speaker 1>and then she also has children, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We never got into what she does now.

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<v Speaker 2>She says she doesn't like to be called a boy,

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<v Speaker 2>so she yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, remember us why I feel stressed out a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>The pronouns really stressed me out, and I'll be like

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<v Speaker 2>feeling bad when I fuck it up. I'll be feeling

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<v Speaker 2>really bad when I fuck up with someone's pronouns. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's never intentional. It's just what I see with my

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<v Speaker 2>eyes versus what a person wants to be called is

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:50.880
<v Speaker 2>just conflicting in me, and it's hard to like because

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<v Speaker 2>I want to acknowledge people as what they want to

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<v Speaker 2>identify as. But then there's this disconnect between my brain

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 2>and their identity and it sucks up sometime. Not on purpose, though.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people feel that way. A lot of

0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 4>people feel that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I can even understand that they them when the

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>person isn't around, right, So like if I'm talking about

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 1>like we're talking about flame, right, they aren't currently here, Like,

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 1>it's easy to use as they them in that sense,

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>in that tense, but when the person is right there,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you do that?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>They it's all psychological because, like like you said, like

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<v Speaker 4>what your brain perceives the person as might be different

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<v Speaker 4>from what they want to be called. But I found

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<v Speaker 4>that in my experience, the more trans people I've been

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<v Speaker 4>around over the years, the easier it has been. Like my,

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, your whole brain framework of how you view

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 4>gender just ends up changing a little bit different. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>So it's it's not I don't struggle people pronounced ever anymore,

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 4>just because I'm around so many trans people that it's

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 4>just it's easy. You know, someone tells me and I'm like, oh,

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 4>now I see you as what you told.

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<v Speaker 1>Me as and that's what I said last week. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really, you know, encounter too many trans people, like

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:04.439
<v Speaker 1>I know bisexual women, I know gay men, you know,

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.479
<v Speaker 1>so whatever. They usually like the gay men, especially as

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>our age group older, they don't mind being still called

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>a boy. He whatever. It's not really that confusing. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I'm not really around that many trans people.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see like if I were, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>it would come much easier. So I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get into a little bit about you and you're a

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<v Speaker 1>background because I know you're a young person. Okay, so

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>you might not have a whole lot in your background.

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<v Speaker 1>You just told me, he told me going into the

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 1>third year of college. Okay, how's that on a college campus?

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<v Speaker 1>Or are there a lot of Are there a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of trans people on your college campus?

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, so I go to an art school in a city.

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 4>So it's weirder to find a person who was like

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 4>straight and sisunder than it is to find a person

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 4>who is not some flavor of LGBT. So yes, I'm

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 4>constantly surrounded by people who are queer on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 2>So, okay, explain what is queer.

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Queer is an umbrella term for LGBT. So a queer

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 4>person could be a lesbian, could be a gay man,

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 4>could be bisexual, could be trans, could be anything underneath

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 4>the LGBT umbrella.

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 3>It's just an umbrella term.

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>So if I got my cutia by a girl, am

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 2>I queer?

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<v Speaker 4>If you identify as queer, then yes, Okay, it's a choice.

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 4>It's a personal choice. There's like a lot of you know,

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 4>older LGBT people who don't identify with that term because

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 4>it was used as a slur back in the day,

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 4>but a lot of younger people have reclaimed it.

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 3>But it's really just up to you.

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of like nigga and nigger.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, essentially a little less controversial.

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>But yes, is it.

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 3>It's the same principle.

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>So at what point did you realize you were a

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<v Speaker 1>trans man? Have you felt this way your entire.

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<v Speaker 4>Life to some degree, yes, I definitely feel like I mean,

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 4>even as like a little little kid like I always

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 4>wanted to be a boy, like, I felt very strongly

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 4>about it, but I knew that that wasn't the case.

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 4>It was always you know, put your earing zone before

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 4>we go out or else I'm not taking you out.

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 4>Like things things like that, But it really wasn't until

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 4>puberty that I really started to feel like any like

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 4>anguish about it, you know, and throughout the first like

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 4>couple of years of because I hit puberty very early.

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 4>It was around like third or fourth grade, like way

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 4>quicker than everybody else. If you look at like my

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 4>elementary school pictures, I'm like a head taller than every

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:30.959
<v Speaker 4>other student. So it was early for me, and I

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:34.959
<v Speaker 4>was just like very sad all the time until around

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 4>like fifth grade when I heard of the concept. I

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 4>was like, oh, you can do that, like that's allowed,

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 4>Like people have done that, that's possible.

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>You said third grade, you heard about it fifth fifth grade?

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>So was it taught in school?

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 3>So now if you learn about it? It was online?

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely online, okay, and around fifth grade when I heard

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 4>about it, But I didn't like say anything or do

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:00.040
<v Speaker 4>anything about it until like late six.

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Grade when I talked to my mom about it.

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 4>That didn't go super well, but it didn't go terribly either.

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 4>But yes, it was around that age when I realized,

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, and I was out to my friends around

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 4>seventh grade.

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Now, in school, how did that work? Did your teachers

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>except that did they start identifying you differently or how

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>does that work as a young person in.

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 4>School, Well, you know, I was always a teacher's pet,

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 4>so I was always like really close with my teachers.

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 4>I still keep in contact with some of them from

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 4>like as early as middle school even now. But only

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 4>the ones who I got along with really well kind

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 4>of knew. But not because I told them, you know,

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't allowed to tell them until ninth grade freshman

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 4>year high school.

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't allowed to tell them.

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 4>But some of them knew, Like my theater teacher knew

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 4>because they would see my friends talk to me like

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 4>that and call me that. But they would I think

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 4>they would always just try to avoid calling me anything

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 4>so that they would you know, upset my family or me.

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Or or upset you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, what were some of the biggest challenges like coming

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>out as trands? I know, especially to black parents law

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's like the end of the goddamn world for

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>some of them, you know. But I think women may

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 1>be more a little bit more you know, accepting of

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the new age stuff.

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I find that, you know, within my family,

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 4>like most of my family members ignore it, you know,

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 4>Like I don't get any negative comments but I don't

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 4>get positive ones either, Like everyone just like.

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 3>Pretends that's not a thing that's happening.

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 4>It's pretty much like, oh, my very beautiful granddaughters, like

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 4>I have a mustache now, but do I that shit?

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 3>But that's very sweet.

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Of That's what I was gonna ask you, Like, how

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 2>does Mss Barbara your grandmother? Does she acknowledge it or

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 2>she just completely just.

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 4>We have never said, exchange a single word about it.

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 4>The only thing I can remember is for my sixteenth birthday,

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 4>my family put together like a bunch of videos of

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 4>my family and friends saying happy birthday to me. It

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 4>was very heartfelt, and most of the people in the

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 4>video called me Mikel, but my grandma called me by

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, my birth name, and she called me afterwards

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 4>like feeling very ghost She's like, I'm so sorry. Everyone

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 4>in the visit video called you Mikel except me, and

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 4>I was the and I was like, oh, it's fine,

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 4>it's completely fine.

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 3>I love you.

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:18.479
<v Speaker 4>You can call me whatever you want because I love you,

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 4>my grandma, And that was like the only thing we've

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 4>talked about in that sense ever my entire life.

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>And then she probably just call you baby, come here, baby,

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 2>go get that shit from me.

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Baby like this, I'll be lucky if she doesn't call

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 4>me by my little cousin's name, like she just missed

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 4>it exactly right.

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Everybody else name but yours.

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever struggle with your family saying this is

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 2>a phase, this is just a phase.

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 4>I mean yes, definitely with my mother when I was

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 4>like younger. But you know, time went on and it

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 4>didn't end, so not just it worked itself out.

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, have you ever encountered anyone who it was

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 2>a phase and they transitioned back and what did that

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 2>look like? Oh?

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Several?

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 4>You know, people try out different names, different pronouns. You know,

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 4>I've never met anyone who you know, went on hormones

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.319
<v Speaker 4>or had surgery and changed their mind. But a lot

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 4>of people have tried out a million different names, a

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 4>million different pronouns just to see what fit and went

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 4>back to what they were originally as because you know,

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 4>they had something else going on that made them feel

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 4>that way.

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's normal.

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that is normal. Okay, See I'm learning right now.

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm learning. I'm definitely learning.

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>What what are there any support systems out there or

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.439
<v Speaker 1>anything that you might have tapped into why you were

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>transitioning into a transmand.

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:50.320
<v Speaker 3>What do you mean.

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Like online, like where did you know any type of.

0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Greers or therapy or anything to.

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 4>Nothing that I looked into, But I there was a

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 4>big like for me, there was a big YouTube community

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 4>of like trans like mask YouTubers who would like make

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 4>videos together and talk about things and be like, oh,

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.720
<v Speaker 4>here's what I use, here's what I do, here's some tips,

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 4>you know. So that was a really big help for

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 4>me earlier in the day.

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 2>What are some of the day to day struggles that

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.280
<v Speaker 2>you might experience as a trans person.

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 4>Definitely the biggest thing is like using public restrooms. It's

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 4>like I don't know, It's like I don't what. I'm

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:39.919
<v Speaker 4>always thinking what is going to make someone not talk

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 4>to me? You know, like what is gonna make someone

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:43.960
<v Speaker 4>leave me alone? Which choice? Which bathue do I go into?

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 4>And I think at this point I just try to

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 4>avoid all together, or I try to like really gauge,

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 4>like how masculine do I look today? Do I look

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 4>masculine enough that someone's not going to really question it,

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna think I look a little feminine? Or should

0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 4>I just say forget it and go into the women's

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 4>restroom and hope no one bothers me. You know, most

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:03.880
<v Speaker 4>of the time, I just try to avoid it overall,

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:05.399
<v Speaker 4>but it's a very annoying thing I have to think

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 4>about constantly when I'm out in.

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Public, right, because if you got a P, you got

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:11.239
<v Speaker 2>a P and you shouldn't have to be concerned like

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 2>what other motherfuckers think about you taking the peace.

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 4>Now, on my school campus, all the restrooms are gender neutral.

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 4>Not all of them, but most of them. A lot

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 4>of them are gender neutral restrooms in the public buildings,

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 4>and so I just don't have that problem there. So

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.879
<v Speaker 4>when I go back home and I'm out in normal again,

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I don't know what to do.

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Wow, you know, I never thought about that because you know,

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, when they were coming up with like the

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:40.280
<v Speaker 1>gender they were trying to push that from North Carolina.

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.399
<v Speaker 1>I remember, like Charlotte and people was like, no, we're

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 1>not doing that. But now, like just speaking to you,

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and I'm still I'm thinking about you, not as a

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 1>trans man, but you know, just having to be this

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 1>person going into a men's restroom, Like what would that

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 1>really feel like? You know, because I think that even

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 1>if you presented as you do going to a women's restuom,

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.879
<v Speaker 1>you might not even have any problems. But how would

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 1>you feel like being in a men's restroom with men.

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 2>And they treat you differently, or I've been on to

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:18.480
<v Speaker 2>saw you or do something harmful to you because they

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 2>don't see you as a man. It sounds scary.

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 3>It's definitely.

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 4>It's always for me, it's always scarier before I go in.

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:30.720
<v Speaker 4>I just have personally never had a real negative experience.

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 4>It's was something I worry about because always know, just

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 4>because as it happened yet doesn't mean it never will,

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, But so far, no eye contact, no one

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 4>even looks at me in the men's rem I just

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 4>walked past.

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 3>Whenever I've gone in.

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 4>I've had one negative experience in the women's restroom at

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 4>like a It was like at a church event. I

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 4>should have known, but it was even before I was

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 4>like fifteen, you know, and I just had short hair

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:55.439
<v Speaker 4>and I was wearing a little suit. And I walked

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 4>into the women's restroom and the woman was like, the

0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 4>men's restroom was over there, and I just stood there.

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 3>I looked at her. She was like, oh, my bad

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry.

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 4>She just walked past me, and I didn't even know

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 4>how to feel because it's like number one, clearly you

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 4>don't see me as a mad which is like good

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:11.400
<v Speaker 4>and bad in this scenario.

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 3>I guess I just had to let it go.

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like your mental state has been affected

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:23.279
<v Speaker 2>in any way by being a trans person? What do

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 2>you mean, like, like, has there been any negative impact

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 2>on your mental state because of you transitioning?

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:32.759
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:38.040
<v Speaker 4>I think that it's really only been positive for me,

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.400
<v Speaker 4>except in the sense of like I've had a negative

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 4>experience with other people that made me feel bad, you know,

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.760
<v Speaker 4>but for myself personally, like when I'm by myself chilling

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 4>in my room, and when I'm with my friends, who

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 4>are you know, cool with me and nice to me,

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 4>I feel great.

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 3>I feel like me.

0:38:56.080 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 2>That's good to know that makes me hear. What advice

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 2>would you give a parent who is newly learning that

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 2>their child or young adult is a trans person.

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:16.440
<v Speaker 4>You know, if it's like if they're an adult, you know,

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 4>I would just say, like let them take it at

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:24.719
<v Speaker 4>their pace, you know, like listen to them, let them

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 4>make their own decisions, but also advise them like careful

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 4>slow down. It was really hard as a transperson to

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 4>hear like slow down at your transition, you know, because

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 4>like to you, you're like I need to be who

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 4>I envision for myself, Like right now, you know, you

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:41.359
<v Speaker 4>feel like every second that goes by that you're not

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:43.239
<v Speaker 4>like looking the way you want to look, being the

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 4>way you want to be. That you know, your life

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 4>hasn't started. That could be often what it feels like

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 4>that you aren't even like living your life yet because

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 4>you're still trapped in this like version of yourself that

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.719
<v Speaker 4>you don't like. But it is still good to take

0:39:56.760 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 4>time and pace yourself to really figure out what exactly

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 4>it is that you want. Because there's a million different

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.759
<v Speaker 4>ways that you can be trans you know. I know

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 4>people who changed their pronouns but will never change their

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:09.240
<v Speaker 4>like their body. I know people who are on hormones

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 4>would never want surgery, people who've gotten surgery but don't

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.839
<v Speaker 4>want hormones, people who have gotten both but never change

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:16.800
<v Speaker 4>their name or their pronouns. Like, there's a million different

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 4>ways that you can be transgender.

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I think about, like are you really transitioning?

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Because I mean this is more so for the trans women,

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 1>because I don't A lot of them haven't actually transitioned, right,

0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>They appear as women, but they you know, they still

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:36.280
<v Speaker 1>have their same genitalia. They may have changed your names.

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>So is that really a trans at that point?

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, being transitioning is really just going from

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 4>one place to another, you know, regardless of where that

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:54.439
<v Speaker 4>place is. It's complicated, you know, because it's number one.

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Do trans the trans women are a little bit more complicated?

0:40:58.080 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Because I always say this on this show, like I

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.320
<v Speaker 1>feel like that whole movement is just like the highest

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 1>form of patriarchy that I could think of, right, and

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:10.839
<v Speaker 1>so for we really don't hear from trans men as much.

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:14.319
<v Speaker 1>It's like that group of people just be chilling. Meanwhile,

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 1>these trans women are going wild, Like do you feel

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>like they are pushing the agenda a little bit more

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:25.320
<v Speaker 1>like the trans The trans women are way more involved

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>with like a lot of their legislation and things like that.

0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:31.439
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like trans men get the same type

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:36.040
<v Speaker 1>of respect in the LGBTQ community as trans women?

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 3>No, but I don't think we should. Here's the thing.

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:44.040
<v Speaker 4>Trans women can't hide like transmen can. Testosterone does a

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:47.719
<v Speaker 4>lot more to a female body than estrogen does to

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:50.359
<v Speaker 4>a male body. Like trans women have always been out

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 4>front and center. They've always been the number one like

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 4>victim of the attacks, you know, they've always also been

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 4>the number one people in the streets marching for our rights,

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 4>you know. So it's like we have completely different positions.

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 4>It's not that transmen are just like outliving their lives,

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.800
<v Speaker 4>Like we just don't get spotted as often. You probably

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 4>have met more than one more than me, you know,

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:15.279
<v Speaker 4>transman before, because like we just we blend in with

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 4>regular every day society. So women can get clocked all

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:21.319
<v Speaker 4>the time, and that's you know, it's harder for them,

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 4>so they kind of have to speak out. They gotta

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 4>have to have big personalities, they kind of have to

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 4>constantly defend themselves.

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 1>But you don't think it's because like the man, the

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:37.879
<v Speaker 1>genetic masculinity that's still there, right, no matter how much

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 1>you try to mask it. It kind of comes out

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:43.360
<v Speaker 1>in anger. And this is coming from a woman, right,

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:46.800
<v Speaker 1>It kind of comes out in anger oftentimes towards women.

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 1>So when we see a trans woman with all this aggression,

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I automatically think that's a dude acting like this. Towards

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:58.280
<v Speaker 1>a woman, you know, whereas you don't really see trans

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 1>men like online be with men with men or women

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>nature born men. Yeah, and oftentimes the trans women aren't

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 1>being a I'm talking about like online and they're not

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 1>really being attacked. And I feel like women aren't like

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, men complain about how women are like the

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.640
<v Speaker 1>number one supporters of all of us, right, just heterosexual

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 1>women just be okay with all the shits, right, But

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 1>we get attacked the most. I feel like from everybody

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>heterosexual women who support you're attacked of trans women.

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:33.799
<v Speaker 2>So I got attacked, And I want you to tell

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 2>me how you really feel about this. Michael, I said

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 2>that I'm not cis gender. I'm just a woman. I'm

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 2>just a woman. I'm not a cis gender woman. And

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 2>someone said, you are what we say you are. You're

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 2>cis gender and you just have to deal with it.

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 2>That's what it is now. And I felt a way

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:54.359
<v Speaker 2>about it, because how do you get to identify as

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 2>what you want to? But I don't, you know, like

0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.799
<v Speaker 2>why do I have to be cis gender? Why can't

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 2>I do be what I've always been? That it's okay

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 2>with me. I'm not telling you what you can or

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 2>cannot be, and I respect whatever you decide to be.

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>But why am I not receiving that same respect.

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 4>I get that, you know, it's complicated because like on

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 4>the other end, you know, trans people don't get to

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 4>decide whether or not we're called transgender or not. Like

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 4>if you identify something other than your birth sex, you're

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.880
<v Speaker 4>called transgender, and if you identify as your birth sex,

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:27.359
<v Speaker 4>you fallow into the definition of cis gender. And it's like,

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 4>I can understand being given a title that people say

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 4>like objectively, like factually that is you. I mean, we

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 4>have the same exact sperience. People tell me all the time. Factually,

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.120
<v Speaker 4>objectively you are female. Factively objectively you are a woman.

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:41.880
<v Speaker 4>And honestly, I don't know. I just ignore them, Like

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 4>when you say, like, I am not cisgender, I am

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 4>just a woman. I think that you have the right

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 4>to say whatever you want to say, to identify however

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 4>you want to identify. I think, And at the end

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 4>of the day, it's such a non issue to be

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.560
<v Speaker 4>angry with SIS people for not wanting to identify ASIS,

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.959
<v Speaker 4>Like I think that you can identify whoever you want,

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, like in everyday life. It really does not

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 4>affect anybody that much. Like how often do you have

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:07.800
<v Speaker 4>a problem because someone's like, I'm actually not a gender,

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm just a woman.

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 3>It's like, okay, that's right.

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think it's like a it's just like

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:19.959
<v Speaker 1>the collective, right, So why it's almost like they're trying

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>to replace women, the transit the trans women, Like we

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 1>can't be we can't call ourselves women, but they want

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>to be called women period, Like that seems to be

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>the movement.

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean you can't call ourselves women?

0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:37.239
<v Speaker 1>They want us now to call ourselves cis women or

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 1>birthing people while they call themselves women girl sis.

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.280
<v Speaker 4>I think the term birthing people honestly comes more from

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 4>like people who are female first and in transition to

0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 4>something else, rather than people. We have a term called AFAB,

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 4>which means assigned female at birth, which is a term

0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 4>that people who are transgender but don't identify as women

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:04.280
<v Speaker 4>use so that we can clarify what kind of transperson

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:08.759
<v Speaker 4>we're talking about. Okay, okay, let me explain. Let me yes,

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:14.800
<v Speaker 4>let me explain, Let me explain. So there's so many different,

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:16.360
<v Speaker 4>like I said, as many different kinds of trans people

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 4>people identify as all kinds of different things, you know,

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 4>But when when we were specifically talking about like a

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:26.800
<v Speaker 4>trans person who was born female, the term afab is

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.600
<v Speaker 4>used to clarify. It's not used in everyday conversation, and

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:32.960
<v Speaker 4>it's specifically in these conversations. And I think the term

0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 4>birthing people, which is very stupid, honestly, but it's in

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:39.080
<v Speaker 4>that same realm where it's like, I don't think anyone

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 4>should be calling women birthing people on a regular basis,

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:46.760
<v Speaker 4>only in like very specific conversations that are about medical things.

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 4>Should we need to use these kinds of terms, you know,

0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 4>because I understand inclusivity, but there's like there's a you

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:58.359
<v Speaker 4>understand what I'm trying to say, Like.

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, No, that's not be lost as hell.

0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Look, I don't know, okay.

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:10.959
<v Speaker 2>Aren't a fab person is someone who was genetically born

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 2>a female but now identify as it's something else that

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:15.560
<v Speaker 2>might be having a baby.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that has nothing to do with the birth part.

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 4>Oh shit, Okay, it's just it's just if that literally

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 4>means assigned female at birth, is like the doctor looked

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 4>at you and they're like, that's a female that's all

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:28.759
<v Speaker 4>that means. Okay, And it's the same term for people

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 4>who are who were male to a mab.

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 3>It's the same thing a mab.

0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:35.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm put this in my nose.

0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I hit it, okay. Can you talk about your experience

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 1>with as accessing healthcare as a transman?

0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 4>I mean doctors are like weird, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they because I feel like they like even like

0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:56.319
<v Speaker 1>when you're filling out paperwork now, like they asked these

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:58.799
<v Speaker 1>these things are doing with your pronouns and all that stuff.

0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 4>But you know, like that's the core, not the corporation,

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 4>but that's like the higher reps, like the people making

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 4>the paperwork are not necessarily the doctors.

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Themselves, you know, and like got it right.

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:10.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, it's always just a little awkward, like

0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:13.400
<v Speaker 4>they don't know how to treat me, like just as

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 4>a person. I always feel like we're not really like

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:19.360
<v Speaker 4>connecting on like a personal level, you know. I mean

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:21.439
<v Speaker 4>they're always hopeful, they're always doing the best they can,

0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 4>doing their job as best they can, but it definitely

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:28.319
<v Speaker 4>always feels strange like they don't know how to approach me,

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:31.840
<v Speaker 4>maybe like the word to say the wrong thing. I

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.080
<v Speaker 4>don't know, I don't go to the doctor that often.

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Is it because of that or is just because you're healthy.

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:41.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm just bad at going to the doctor, and general

0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:42.759
<v Speaker 4>always happened just.

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Like a man, yeah, man, a black man.

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:54.440
<v Speaker 1>So how long have you technically been transitioning? So you

0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you felt this way since you were you said fifth grade? Right, yes,

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:02.240
<v Speaker 1>how long have you actually been transitioning into? Mikeel?

0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:02.440
<v Speaker 4>Like?

0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 1>When did that start?

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:04.920
<v Speaker 2>You know?

0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:08.320
<v Speaker 4>I tried out hormones, Because hormones, I said.

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:09.279
<v Speaker 3>I've been onto saucer room.

0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 4>I just I turned eighteen first, just a couple of

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 4>days after I turned eighteen, So it's been about like

0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:17.439
<v Speaker 4>a little over two years now that I've been onto

0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 4>saucer room. I think I got my name legally changed

0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 4>a little bit before I was eighteen.

0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:25.719
<v Speaker 2>I believe.

0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:28.200
<v Speaker 3>I still haven't.

0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 4>I've been lazy, so I haven't like taken the paperwork

0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:32.000
<v Speaker 4>to like the DMV and all that good stuff. So

0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:34.759
<v Speaker 4>I like driver's license still says my birth name, but

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 4>it doesn't bother me that much. But like, I've been

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 4>out to like my friends and my parents as early

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 4>as eighth grade freshman year, so socially, I transitioned around

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 4>that time.

0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like there is an age too young

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 2>for a person to start transitioning? Like should a parent

0:49:57.640 --> 0:49:59.799
<v Speaker 2>be like, my five year old doesn't feel like a

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 2>so I should let my five year old be a girl.

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:07.960
<v Speaker 4>I think that there should be no minimum aids for

0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 4>socially transitioning.

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:09.239
<v Speaker 5>No.

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 4>I think that you should be able to call yourself

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:13.920
<v Speaker 4>whatever you want at any age to see how it feels.

0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.080
<v Speaker 4>I think it's so important to like go out in

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.360
<v Speaker 4>life and have people call you what you think that

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:20.160
<v Speaker 4>you want to be called, so that you can see

0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:22.160
<v Speaker 4>how it makes you feel, like or do you want

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 4>to do this really? Like I don't understand the issue

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:26.480
<v Speaker 4>with the trial run, you know. I understand the issues

0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:29.960
<v Speaker 4>with hormones and surgery that should all become like much.

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:32.719
<v Speaker 1>More buying clothes, you know, And it's also a transition

0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:33.560
<v Speaker 1>for the parent too.

0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:34.040
<v Speaker 3>I agree.

0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:36.799
<v Speaker 4>I understand that it's very hard on parents as well,

0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:41.320
<v Speaker 4>but I think that there's it's harder on the person

0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 4>on the kid, you know, as someone who was that kid,

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:48.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, and it is the issue. I mean, I

0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:51.040
<v Speaker 4>guess if you are, like, if you don't have money

0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:53.840
<v Speaker 4>to just blow like buying clothes can be a problem,

0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:55.800
<v Speaker 4>but I promise you, like most trans kids will be

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 4>willing to go to the thrift shop and buy like

0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:01.759
<v Speaker 4>a two dollars boy shirt to make themselves feel better,

0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:04.320
<v Speaker 4>you know. Like I don't think we're all that picky.

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:07.600
<v Speaker 4>But I can't speak for everybody, of course, but no,

0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:11.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't think the should be a minim maze for socially social.

0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:15.479
<v Speaker 2>Okay, too well, I want to identify as a bad

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 2>rich bitch and I want everybody to call me that

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 2>and twenty five years old forever.

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 5>Okay, I think I feel like I want to be

0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 5>a white man, rich white man. Have you encountered any

0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:36.440
<v Speaker 5>difficulties like in the workplace related to your gender identity

0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 5>or have you worked or I have a full time

0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:39.719
<v Speaker 5>college student.

0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:42.600
<v Speaker 4>I've worked, you know, I mean like minimum waise jobs,

0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, but you know I told them what the

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 4>name to call me. I really, I mean I've had

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:50.480
<v Speaker 4>some really funny moments with like customers working customer service,

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Like would you like that like hear a story?

0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, okay like stories.

0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 4>Okay, I was at the cash register and this like

0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:00.200
<v Speaker 4>grandmother came in with like just like me be like

0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:01.719
<v Speaker 4>a little ten year old boy and like a like

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:04.080
<v Speaker 4>a six year old little girl and they come in

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:05.680
<v Speaker 4>and they like they're ordering their stuff, and the little

0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 4>girl just keeps staring at me, like staring me down.

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:10.560
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, here we go, like I know, I

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 4>know this really, and she just she looks at me

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:15.800
<v Speaker 4>and she goes, are you a gore or a boy?

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, am I what I said?

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Excuse me?

0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 3>She said? Are you a or a boy? And the

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:22.560
<v Speaker 3>grandma was like looking at the kid, looking at me

0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 3>like so terrified, and I.

0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:27.640
<v Speaker 4>Was just like, I was like, I'm a boy and

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:32.279
<v Speaker 4>she was like, no, you're not. My Grandma's like, I'm

0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:32.880
<v Speaker 4>so sorry.

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Stop.

0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:38.799
<v Speaker 3>I was like, why ask if you if you already know.

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:42.080
<v Speaker 2>If you already decided what I am, why are you asking?

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Try to check your temperature?

0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 4>Grandma looks so scared, and I'm just like I could

0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:50.719
<v Speaker 4>as a child.

0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever had problems with like people identifying you

0:52:57.680 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 2>on purpose as what you don't want to be identified

0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:01.880
<v Speaker 2>is just to be mean to you, like people you

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 2>know in real life?

0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:05.799
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, no, I find that people don't talk to me,

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:09.399
<v Speaker 4>you know, about it when they're not cool with it,

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, like everyone just avoids it. I think it's

0:53:11.560 --> 0:53:14.839
<v Speaker 4>because I'm such a like a I don't care, Like

0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:16.920
<v Speaker 4>you really cannot hurt my feelings, Like if you just go,

0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:20.320
<v Speaker 4>if you're trying to antagonize me, I'm not going to

0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 4>give you the satisfaction of blowing up about that, you know.

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.200
<v Speaker 3>So I've always been a person. I don't know.

0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 4>I think I just have thick skin in that sense

0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:29.560
<v Speaker 4>where it's just like you can do whatever you want,

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:32.480
<v Speaker 4>Like I simply just surround myself with people who are

0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:35.760
<v Speaker 4>cool with me and who support me, Like if you don't,

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.360
<v Speaker 4>then I just will ignore you. That's just how I've

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:41.400
<v Speaker 4>always felt. So I think people just don't try, you know.

0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 4>I mean I've had like one I've had one, yes,

0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:48.719
<v Speaker 4>but the best I could I was really young in

0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:51.319
<v Speaker 4>my transition then, so that hurt me more. I think

0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:54.880
<v Speaker 4>that's probably why I'm like this now. She she's my

0:53:54.920 --> 0:54:01.200
<v Speaker 4>character development that, Yes, what advice would you.

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Have for a young person who's struggling with telling their

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:08.800
<v Speaker 2>family how they feel and you know, wanting to transition

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.640
<v Speaker 2>but not feeling like it's a safe space in their environment.

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:16.520
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, you got to put yourself first in that scenario,

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.040
<v Speaker 4>Like if you think that coming out is going to

0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 4>make you be unsafe, like then spend however many years

0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:26.279
<v Speaker 4>you got to you're out of the house, prepping for

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:27.520
<v Speaker 4>being able to be on your own and being able

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:29.719
<v Speaker 4>to take care of yourself, you know, because like I

0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:32.280
<v Speaker 4>don't think that you should hide suppress how you're feeling

0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 4>for your entire life because you think it's going to

0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:35.720
<v Speaker 4>make you lose people. The people who love you should

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 4>support you no matter what. So I guess that's my advice,

0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:44.480
<v Speaker 4>Like think about what's going to make you the most

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:47.040
<v Speaker 4>safe and happy of the course in your entire life,

0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:50.680
<v Speaker 4>and not what's going to make people accept you.

0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:52.720
<v Speaker 3>You know. Does that make sense?

0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

0:54:56.239 --> 0:54:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything you wish you had known like earlier,

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:01.600
<v Speaker 1>like wish while transitioning.

0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 4>There's something I wish I could go back and tell

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:07.960
<v Speaker 4>myself like middle school age, And it's that I think

0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:13.000
<v Speaker 4>there's this idea that like only like very queer looking

0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.840
<v Speaker 4>people are going to be attracted to you as a transperson.

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:18.839
<v Speaker 4>It's not true, Like you'd be very shocked.

0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Because these niggas is nasty and I'm not saying an

0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:23.560
<v Speaker 1>nasty but it's almost like a weird.

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Thing, like.

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:31.040
<v Speaker 4>Why why people hide what are you their preferences.

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Some queer shit going on with a lot of guys.

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:36.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, not even just guys, women too, women to pretend.

0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:39.759
<v Speaker 4>I don't know people people, people hide their preferences, and

0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:43.600
<v Speaker 4>so it's like you were not a grotesque You're not

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:44.520
<v Speaker 4>gonna be a gro test moster.

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:46.279
<v Speaker 3>Who's gonna be so ugly that one's gonna want you?

0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:46.839
<v Speaker 3>That's not true.

0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:51.480
<v Speaker 4>Plenty of people like what they're like be choosing, and.

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:54.719
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna be surprised and who all want you? Like,

0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:59.160
<v Speaker 2>damn boys, damn girls. You know, I relax exactly. Not

0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:00.000
<v Speaker 2>for me to go around.

0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:02.839
<v Speaker 4>I would say that to other trans people too.

0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.440
<v Speaker 1>So how do you envision like your future in terms

0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:11.120
<v Speaker 1>of gender identity and personal growth.

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:16.200
<v Speaker 4>Gender identity and personal growth? Well, you know, like, obviously,

0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:19.560
<v Speaker 4>I'd like to have a good career in my chosen field.

0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:21.400
<v Speaker 4>I'd like to make a good amount of money. I

0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:22.920
<v Speaker 4>want to live in this like near the city or

0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:25.719
<v Speaker 4>in the city one day, that's my goal. I like

0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:27.360
<v Speaker 4>to be around core people, like I like to be

0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:30.480
<v Speaker 4>in queer areas. I'm not the type of person who

0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 4>wants to like seek out adversity, you know, I'm not

0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:36.120
<v Speaker 4>marching in the streets. I'm just not that person. I'm

0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:39.439
<v Speaker 4>so grateful for those people with my community who want

0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:42.160
<v Speaker 4>to argue every single day, I really am, because that

0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:44.839
<v Speaker 4>means I don't have to, you know, So I guess

0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:47.000
<v Speaker 4>I just I would just want to be happy with

0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:51.000
<v Speaker 4>my people and live a good life. That's really it,

0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:52.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm not a complicated person.

0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Do you want children?

0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 3>I do. I'd like to adopt.

0:56:56.960 --> 0:57:00.279
<v Speaker 4>But if my partner wanted to, like, do IV for

0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:01.440
<v Speaker 4>themselves so we could do that too.

0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:03.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't care. A tried as a child.

0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, now this question you don't have to answer if

0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:07.080
<v Speaker 2>you don't want.

0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:13.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but what he would he carry? That's what I

0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:14.280
<v Speaker 1>was thinking.

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:17.840
<v Speaker 2>No, no, because he already said he would have dot.

0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:23.600
<v Speaker 2>But like, do you are you gay or do you like.

0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:28.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm pantastical? I'm open. I don't.

0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:29.880
<v Speaker 4>I never call myself fans like. I don't know why

0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:31.840
<v Speaker 4>I did it. Just now, I'm the worst place possible

0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:34.480
<v Speaker 4>to say that I'm bisexual.

0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:36.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm open. I don't care.

0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, just.

0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:41.479
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, Okay, that's fair.

0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any more questions? Because I want a

0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:48.720
<v Speaker 2>dumb bitch story or simp series from Mike Keel.

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So do you know I have any resources or

0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:56.280
<v Speaker 1>organizations you can recommend for those looking for support like

0:57:56.360 --> 0:57:59.920
<v Speaker 1>trans people or looked in order to learn about trans issues.

0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Do you know any community?

0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:08.040
<v Speaker 4>I mean, if you are a trans person, there's a

0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:12.720
<v Speaker 4>ton of support groups out there, but one that I

0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:17.600
<v Speaker 4>keep getting emails for specifically is from an organization called Plume.

0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:20.720
<v Speaker 4>There where I get my my hormones from. You know,

0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:21.480
<v Speaker 4>they like ship.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a question I had. I wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>where you initially got your home hormone.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, they're expensive, you They ship basically nationwide, I believe,

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<v Speaker 4>except in like certain states where we're having like legality issues,

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<v Speaker 4>I believe. But they have a ton of like zoom

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<v Speaker 4>like call support groups and stuff to just talk about

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<v Speaker 4>things like give you information on how to legally change

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<v Speaker 4>your name. Things like that support for like people trying

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<v Speaker 4>to learn about trans people. I'm afraid I can't help.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that that's kind of good because that means you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't had like a whole bunch of adversity, like so

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know those groups.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's good, And I mean I wouldn't say that,

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<v Speaker 4>but I just feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>The trans men be chilling because you know, we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You just don't be uptight like that. I just really

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<v Speaker 1>feel that way women, I'd be wilding.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, no one's ever hurt me, but I've definitely

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<v Speaker 4>had some altercations here and there.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this, how is the experience in church?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you go to church? Do you feel like church

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<v Speaker 2>is a safe space as a trans person?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's the thing, Like, I haven't been to church since

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<v Speaker 4>I was very little. I honestly it had nothing to

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<v Speaker 4>do with me being trans. One time, I like threw

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<v Speaker 4>up everywhere. My grandma never seen me back ever her again.

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<v Speaker 4>She was so embarrassed. I think I was really in it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>When I'm around like church going people, like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>no one says anything to my face, No says anything

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<v Speaker 4>to my face.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's for light in cordial.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes I feel like a person's treating me a little

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<v Speaker 4>meaner than they normally would it, and I just assume

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<v Speaker 4>that it's because of that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, but I nowhere really knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it might just be that there, dickhead and not. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it has nothing to do with you as a person.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people just just.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, yeah, anything else, like you wanted to share about

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<v Speaker 1>your experience or insight as a trans man.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I think you guys asked a lot of really

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<v Speaker 4>good questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you, And I didn't offend at all, right,

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<v Speaker 2>not really, not really tell me, tell me what I

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<v Speaker 2>did offend on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not really offense.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like I don't know, like within like what

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<v Speaker 4>other tips people I know, Like we joke all the

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<v Speaker 4>time about the oh, identify as this joke?

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<v Speaker 3>What we joke about the joke? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 4>I identify as a rich It's like it's not even offensive.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like all right, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>But why we can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, Like I'm confused, Like maybe it's not a joke today.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, tomorrow it might not be your joke, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I might really want to be a white man tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, what people have tried it. People try to

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<v Speaker 4>be transversial all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel Dozel shout out to Rachel Joseel.

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<v Speaker 3>You know we have the same birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, now that's a fool right then, But she'd

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<v Speaker 1>be yelling.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So we're gonna go to commercial and we

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<v Speaker 2>come back. We're gonna get a SIMP series story from Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back dumbitch stories, so do because we've

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<v Speaker 2>all been a dumb bitch at least once or twice.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, y'all, we are back and Michael is going

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<v Speaker 2>to share his SIMP series story with us. Go ahead, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>what happened?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, back when I was in high school, I had

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<v Speaker 4>this this guy who sat in like the back of

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<v Speaker 4>the classroom from me, and I guess I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 4>him a fake dam I'll call him. I'll call him Rick,

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<v Speaker 4>And you know Rick. He was hispanic, you know, very handsome,

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<v Speaker 4>and he was like short. I always really like short

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<v Speaker 4>guys because they don't make me feel short, because I

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<v Speaker 4>think he's about like five five. But this was like

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle of COVID, so like we're all wearing

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<v Speaker 4>our masks and everything, and I can barely see him,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think, you know, eventually, like I wrote The

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<v Speaker 4>Courage and I asked him for his phone numbers so

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<v Speaker 4>that like we could like chat and like be friends

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever. And we started texting for a while and

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<v Speaker 4>he was really nice, like very nice actually, and I

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<v Speaker 4>found his Instagram and stuff like that's what was the

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<v Speaker 4>actual face was like, and he had a very nice smile.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I thought he was great. I had a

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<v Speaker 4>really big crush on this guy, and you know, he

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<v Speaker 4>respected my pronouns and everything. And I divided over to

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<v Speaker 4>my house one day and we were hanging out in

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<v Speaker 4>my room and like watching this like cartoon or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>and he like, I don't know, he asked me like

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of like little questions here and there.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, so how did.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like like what of people do you like?

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<v Speaker 4>Like just basically a lot of questions about my identity

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<v Speaker 4>and stuff like that, and I answered them all because

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I just I like to talk, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like to have a little conversation. So I was completely

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<v Speaker 4>open with everything. And at some point during that time

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<v Speaker 4>he kissed me, and then he left and he went home,

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<v Speaker 4>right and like I think like a week later, he

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<v Speaker 4>came over again. He was like, so have you been

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<v Speaker 4>like who've you like told about this? And I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>is there people that I'm not supposed to tell about this?

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<v Speaker 4>She was like, no, no, it's fine, it's fine. I

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<v Speaker 4>just you know, I just wanted to know if, like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you've been like talking about this around with

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<v Speaker 4>like people or whatever. And at this point I'm like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so this is a secret, like you don't want anybody

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<v Speaker 4>to know about this, And you know, I wish I

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<v Speaker 4>could say I stopped talking to him after that, but

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't, So it was it was like a little

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<v Speaker 4>a little secret for a while. But I guess that's

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<v Speaker 4>my big story for that, because that's embarrassing. After that,

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<v Speaker 4>I should have been lining.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a question about that, because maybe he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't ready to be out, you know, does that make

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<v Speaker 2>would that make you feel like it's about you or

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<v Speaker 2>more about them?

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<v Speaker 4>You know a little bit of both, because he's the thing,

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<v Speaker 4>like it's so much about image, And it's always going

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<v Speaker 4>to be a slight when you feel like a person

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't want, like isn't proud to be seen with you specifically,

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<v Speaker 4>Like that's always gonna be something that's hurtful, especially when

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<v Speaker 4>you know the next person he was out with was

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<v Speaker 4>my friend, who is like the most like prettiest, skinny,

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<v Speaker 4>little white girl on the planet, you know, and it

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<v Speaker 4>it just feels like it's slight, it does you know?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't believe in out in anybody, tell anybody anybody's business.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's always gonna be hurtful, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I can feel that I can respect that, but

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<v Speaker 2>you never know, he might have wanted to be with

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<v Speaker 2>you but just felt like he couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I believe I believe that too.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. It's always hard for me to as like

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<v Speaker 4>this is one of my faults, Like it's hard for

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<v Speaker 4>me to empathize super well.

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<v Speaker 3>But because I was so out so.

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<v Speaker 4>Early compared to a lot of other people, that it's

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<v Speaker 4>like hard for me to like imagine, like I'm scared.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want anybody to know because I've just never

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<v Speaker 4>been able to hide. Really Like, I feel like I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like everybody knew before I knew, at least that

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<v Speaker 4>something was off about me.

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<v Speaker 1>In black families, we'd be knowing from birth.

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<v Speaker 4>My mother told me that a client turned around in

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<v Speaker 4>her chair one day when she was doing her hair

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<v Speaker 4>and just said, you know, you know your daughter is gay?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta be in like elementary school at this point,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe middle school, how do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, Well, you know what, I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of knew because when we would talk, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about nothing but comic books and comic Con and

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<v Speaker 2>nothing else, nothing else. That's me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is just nurty.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like I mean, he didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 4>I liked I liked Barbie's. I loved Barbie Dolls.

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<v Speaker 2>Very very young. You got over that quick.

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<v Speaker 4>I just like to add stuff out. But that's probably

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<v Speaker 4>because because I'm a writer. That's probably where that came from.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, Michael, tell everybody where they can find you.

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<v Speaker 2>Plug anything that you're doing, anything that you want to

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<v Speaker 2>share where people go ahead and plug it for yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, well, you can find me on Instagram at It's

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<v Speaker 4>spelled m y k E underscore e L, so it's

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<v Speaker 4>like my name, but add an extra E and put

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<v Speaker 4>it like an underscore between the e's at mike L.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one more time. Because you're going to do it people,

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<v Speaker 2>you can m.

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<v Speaker 4>Y k E underscore e L on Instagram on Instagram

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<v Speaker 4>and they're attached to my website. I have a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of writing projects that I'd love to share. It's basically

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<v Speaker 4>that portfolio. So if you were going to work with me,

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<v Speaker 4>let me know, please shoot me an email.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are you writing?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>You write like scripts and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I also do creative writing. I do everything, also do journalism.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you look, what's the email? Though you didn't say

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<v Speaker 2>the email? What is it? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, it's on the website.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and what's the website?

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<v Speaker 3>It's attached to the instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on the instagram. Now hold on, we already was

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<v Speaker 1>past that, right quick? Do you know how to use

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<v Speaker 1>final Draft?

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<v Speaker 3>I do? I have it?

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<v Speaker 2>Period.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll be emailing you because do you mind? Can

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<v Speaker 1>I pay you to give me like a tutorial?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Absolutely, yes, I need It's perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yes, I need help because I'm writing some stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and I've just been you know, just typing in regular

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<v Speaker 1>but I need to know how to properly format things like.

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<v Speaker 3>Script for Oh absolutely, I can teach you all about her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yay, now I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm a screen so like that was like my

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<v Speaker 4>first several classes when wow, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean I look, I look for some people

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<v Speaker 1>on Fiver, but I just you know, you just can't

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<v Speaker 1>be sure before you pay somebody. So yeah, I will

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<v Speaker 1>be contacting you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you for joining us, Mikel, and thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for sharing all this information with us. I really

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<v Speaker 2>really really appreciate you with the Aunties, with the Aunties

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<v Speaker 2>Millennial Aundies K A J.

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