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Speaker 1: Welcome to We talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: and the Black Effect Network.

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Speaker 2: We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion who talks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, y'all? Thank you for tuning in for a

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Speaker 1: new episode We talk Back, a show dedicated to you

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Speaker 1: dreamers and chasers. This is your co host a j

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Speaker 1: Helly Thing. What's that?

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Speaker 2: Tam Bam? Hey, y'all. I love y'all. This shiit dedicated

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Speaker 2: to niggas and hosts. This week period.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Joy?

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Speaker 2: How's your weekend? Uh?

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Speaker 1: What the fuck was this? What did I do this

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Speaker 1: past weekend? I did go see Bad Boys?

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Speaker 2: Oh? What do you think? I saw it too?

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Speaker 1: It was you know, I don't know. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: here we go, y'all. Okay, it's a pre warning. I

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Speaker 1: just can't watch Martin Laurence act because I really feel

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Speaker 1: like somebody has like some strings on him and like

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Speaker 1: pulling him. It's like a puppe tear type thing going on.

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Speaker 1: And it was just some questionable things they had him doing,

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Speaker 1: like showing his ass on the roof, and it's just

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Speaker 1: I just feel like the old Martin Lawrence would never

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Speaker 1: even though he plays shit ain't a and all these

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Speaker 1: other female characters like we ain't never seen Martin ask, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on? Marn was a real

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Speaker 1: nigga on a kid and play on house party and

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Speaker 1: shit like still a real nigga on the Martin Show,

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Speaker 1: like it ain't ask nah dog, I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going on?

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: But and then I also didn't like the fucking hit

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Speaker 1: Black Hair, Like we know y'all niggas is older black gentleman. Now, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're all playing hair.

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Speaker 2: What did you like about the movie?

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Speaker 1: It was like an ai as fuck. It was some

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Speaker 1: funny parts.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: My my pupils was like, what's the movie funny? And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, people hadn't ask me did I

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Speaker 1: like the movie? And I'm like, I don't know. It

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Speaker 1: definitely wasn't Bad Boys one through two, one through three.

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Speaker 1: I'll say that I enjoyed.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I loved the nostalgia

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Speaker 2: of this brand bringing it back and keeping the story going.

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Speaker 2: I love Mexican Chris Brown. Fun it was funny. Who

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Speaker 2: is that nigga or a person? I don't even know

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Speaker 2: if he's black, but he is you to fall. I

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Speaker 2: love watching him. I love the part where Reggie, yeah

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Speaker 2: that video game. It was like, oh your family, and

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Speaker 2: he got he killed everybody. I was like, oh, Hercules, Hercules, Yes,

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Speaker 2: let him cook that chicken. He could cook everything.

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Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna come back at the end

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Speaker 1: and be like, damn, this chicken actually real good. Like

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Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be like one little

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Speaker 1: last piece. But now that was my favorite partner. Reggie

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Speaker 1: was cutting up in the house, killing everybody.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing for me, So during that part,

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Speaker 2: what't they didn't they have another singing? Like because in

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Speaker 2: the in three, they rushed to the hospital because she

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Speaker 2: was giving birth Martin Lawrence's daughter, Martin Lawrence. In the

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Speaker 2: opening scene of three, they're flying through the city streets

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Speaker 2: of Miami, driving on the beach and everything to get

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Speaker 2: to the hospital because she was giving birth to a child. Right,

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Speaker 2: where was that kid in this one? Right? That kid

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Speaker 2: just disappeared, that baby like RAINA. I don't nobody give

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Speaker 2: a fuck about.

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Speaker 3: Raynam to help.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't remember movies like you do, so

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Speaker 1: I don't even I remember it now since you say

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Speaker 1: like that that was the opening scene, But I didn't

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Speaker 1: even think about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because even even in the end of the third one,

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Speaker 2: Mike Laurie was babysitting for a few days so Martin

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Speaker 2: and his wife could go off and have a retreat.

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Speaker 1: Exactly Okay, where did the baby go? Like maybe the

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Speaker 1: writers don't didn't even remember they was like, fuck.

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Speaker 2: That baby, it's a new story. And then another thing

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Speaker 2: that I wonder why they change Martin's wife. I'm a

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Speaker 2: fan of the woman who played Martin's wife in this movie.

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Speaker 2: She plays in a lot of things. She plays angry

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Speaker 2: black woman and everything.

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Speaker 1: And her twin. I didn't even realize she was a

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Speaker 1: twin fall very long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a twin. Does her sister act as well?

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Speaker 2: I think?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I did not know that we might be seeing

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Speaker 2: them both and don't even know it, like Tya and Tamara.

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Speaker 2: God damn. But the woman who had originally paid played

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Speaker 2: his wife. She was also on Girl six that's a

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Speaker 2: Spike Lee movie, and I loved her as the wife,

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Speaker 2: so I wonder why she didn't participate in the movie.

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Speaker 2: But other than that, I really enjoyed it. I went

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Speaker 2: on a blind date and he was late, so I

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Speaker 2: went ahead. In the movie, without him. And then he

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Speaker 2: came in and I had got me some popcorn and

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Speaker 2: some chocolate because that's what I enjoy when I'm in

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Speaker 2: the movies. And he was like, judge me talking about

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Speaker 2: all you eat. You put that processed food in your body. Boy,

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Speaker 2: watch the movie and get right, because this is really

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Speaker 2: the only time I eat popcorn. Like right, that's what

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Speaker 2: I said. I was like, this is the only time

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Speaker 2: I would eat this is in a movie, So relax.

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Speaker 1: Who's the guy? Like, how do you mean a blind date?

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Speaker 1: Did you meet him on a dating.

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Speaker 2: Website or something Instagram?

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Speaker 1: Oh shit?

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Speaker 2: He had muscles and shit.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, but and he came there

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Speaker 1: judging your fitness.

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Speaker 2: He came and judging my dietary choices, Like damn, you

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Speaker 2: just got here, sit down, you late? Ain't you judging? Nigga? Shame?

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Speaker 2: I was because I offer he something. He was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I would never put nothing like that in my body.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, here we go. I'll never put

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Speaker 2: you in my body, so so here we go. Let's

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Speaker 2: get him a sense. Oh wait, wait, wait, I didn't

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Speaker 2: talk about my weekend. I thought that was it. Like,

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Speaker 2: go ahead. I went back to YACHTI Body by YACHTI

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Speaker 2: Artemis and Apollo for my third round of radio frequency,

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Speaker 2: and this time I got my chin radio frequency and

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Speaker 2: it's skinnier. Let me see.

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Speaker 1: It, dude, look a little Okay, I can see some definition.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, shit working bitch. I

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Speaker 2: got a minute because my turkey neck looking more like

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Speaker 2: a chicken neck right now? Okay, started profile. Okay, yes,

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Speaker 2: I finally get one.

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Speaker 1: So this is a non evasive procedure. What is the

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Speaker 1: cost of something like that? Like what I because I

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Speaker 1: I think I might have googled some shit and I've

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Speaker 1: actually done like some laser or something before, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was that.

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Speaker 2: It's affordable. It's not very expensive, but it ain't cheap either,

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Speaker 2: But it it's affordable. You know, It's way more affordable

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Speaker 2: than getting liposuction or pdo threads or ky bella, which

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Speaker 2: I've done all of those, and none of that ship worked,

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Speaker 2: none of them. This is the only thing that I've

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Speaker 2: done actually seeing now that I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how you have to ask yachty, So is it

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Speaker 2: like y'all in.

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Speaker 1: The fat sales to where it like over time? Is

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Speaker 1: it something you have to continuously.

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Speaker 2: It has it has something to do with like collagen

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Speaker 2: reproduction and heat and some ship. She said, y'all gotta

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Speaker 2: ask YACHTI like, go to the yachty page body by yachty.

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Speaker 2: She got all the answers to that question. But my

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Speaker 2: turkey neck is gone, y'all, it's almost gone. And I

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Speaker 2: only did one time, so imagine after three, my shit

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Speaker 1: So yeah, y'all, chins, I said.

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Speaker 2: For the summer period, y'all, let's get in the sins.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So now y'all remember recent tisa which recent Teasaine

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Speaker 1: died down child for When was that, like, uh, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, February or so when that came out or

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Speaker 1: earlier than that anyway. So now there's another girl who

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Speaker 1: just put out a little story time. She actually called

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Speaker 1: it trauma dump because she ain't like Resa teach this

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Speaker 1: a real nigga, okay. And she was telling a story

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Speaker 1: about how she didn't find out that her best friend

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Speaker 1: of ten years had the same baby daddy as her

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Speaker 1: until their baby showers. So she was she had a

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Speaker 1: boyfriend right that she had been dating for three years.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just give y'all A quick little yeah. So

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Speaker 1: she had a boyfriend she had been dating for three years,

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Speaker 1: and she had a best friend who she had known,

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Speaker 1: you know for about ten years or so. So she

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Speaker 1: said she had helped her friend out, you know, going

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Speaker 1: she just feel like, maybe that's when this thing might

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Speaker 1: have happened. But let's just fast forward. Fuck the backstory.

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Speaker 1: So they're both pregnant now, right. Her friend says, I'm pregnant.

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Speaker 1: I had a one night stand. I don't know, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't know what I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: still have this baby. She's pregnant for her man. She

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Speaker 1: knows who her baby daddy is, right, So she has

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Speaker 1: her baby shower one day. The friend told her she

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Speaker 1: told me she ain't having no baby shower. Now this

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Speaker 1: I'm your godmom, you're my baby's godmom. Like this is like,

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Speaker 1: my bitch, this is like me and you having some

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Speaker 1: But somebody being a weird Yes, so she says, her

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Speaker 1: and her friends they shared locations, So she said, the

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Speaker 1: she was at her grandma house. The baby, her friend's

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Speaker 1: baby showers at the grandma house. She gets there and

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Speaker 1: grandma there like the same people who was at her

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Speaker 1: she was like, she come from a long line of

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Speaker 1: crash dummies. Okay, So everybody pulled the fuck up and

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Speaker 1: they went in there. They took all the girl presents, okay,

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Speaker 1: they had mama and the headlock. She smacked the bitch,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They got the fuck out

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Speaker 1: of there, so right, and she said when they all

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Speaker 1: because they never her brother never showed up because the brother,

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Speaker 1: the baby daddy ran out the side door when she

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Speaker 1: never showed up because they're chasing the baby daddy on

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Speaker 1: the highway. They caught the nigga, like, so he runs

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Speaker 1: out of gas running from them. It's a whole Like

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Speaker 1: this shit is so fucking funny to me because come

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Speaker 1: to find out now after two years now, she said,

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Speaker 2: Right then and there. No, because I'd be worried about

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Speaker 1: So look, did y'all did y'all know that the original

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Speaker 1: Now, Lyesol is a product of Germany, which a lot

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Speaker 2: I ain't never sprayed lights al on my pussy, No

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Speaker 2: So they'd be squirting it up there pussy to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, rm cells and ship like this.

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Speaker 2: Listen, listen, y'all. Don't get no fucking ideas off of this.

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Speaker 2: Go get your morning after pilsils. Don't sprain, no lights

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Speaker 1: So apparently this nigga wants everything back. Give me my jewelry.

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Speaker 1: I'm on gifting that condo. This is the statements he's

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just tell you this is my last motherfucking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I just hate that for them because they

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Speaker 1: But it so you do it at fifty bitch, fuck you.

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Speaker 2: Better be forever.

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Speaker 1: Finally got a boyfriend at sixty, ain't god but a

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Speaker 2: But I don't care.

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Speaker 1: and so I don't give grace anymore. I'm sorry. Not

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Speaker 1: most part, right, because you still got room for you grow,

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Speaker 2: Right, But.

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Speaker 1: I know you, you know me, We should be able

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Speaker 3: And not?

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Speaker 1: Because that's all a relationship business. How much shit you

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Speaker 1: And once you can't deal with some shit, it's over with.

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Speaker 1: But I just, yeah, I'm out of there at one

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: I hate when it get nasty like that, like Simon

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Speaker 1: Who the fuck is Porsche? Who the fuck was she

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Speaker 2: Like? Who?

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Speaker 1: What's his real name? Is that the real name? Or

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Speaker 2: Who the fuck?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: I hate that for her. I really hate that.

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Speaker 1: For her because just the year before, she was sitting

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Speaker 2: Here we are. Man, that's scary, y'all. Y'all got a

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Speaker 2: good one. Hold on to him tight, baby, because if

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Speaker 2: coming to get his ass. I said to God.

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Speaker 1: All the good ones and miserable relationships, all good ones

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how they can lead us, bitch

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Speaker 1: and still have access to their kids. I know some

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Speaker 1: I know, yes, man, I know some men who are

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Speaker 1: really getting ran through by bad women. It's not a

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Speaker 1: gender neutral thing, like you got bad people.

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Speaker 2: so y'all stay tuned cause we're gonna have a really

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Speaker 2: good conversation about trans issues. We'll be right back. Okay, guys,

437
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Speaker 2: we are back. And last week we had Flame and

438
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Speaker 2: Row on and I mentioned that one of my good

439
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Speaker 2: friends had a trans son and I was very ignorant

440
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Speaker 2: about trans people. And Flame said that because she was

441
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Speaker 2: an older generation trans person, younger generation trans people hated

442
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Speaker 2: her pretty much. So I feel like it would be

443
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Speaker 2: good to get my friend's son on so we can

444
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Speaker 2: have the conversation, so I can get better educated, and

445
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Speaker 2: so can you, guys. So welcome Michael Hogan till we

446
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Speaker 2: talk back. Thank you for joining us. I appreciate you

447
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: taking time out to do this. Your mama said you

448
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Speaker 2: wouldn't do it, so I'm surprised that you came on. No.

449
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Speaker 4: I when she asked me, I was like, oh, yeah, sure,

450
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Speaker 4: and she was like, really, I believe it.

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Speaker 2: She was surprised. Okay, So I have some questions for you.

452
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Speaker 2: If you feel like it's just too much, be like, girl, no,

453
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Speaker 2: don't do that, okay, And that's okay. I won't be

454
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Speaker 2: offended and let me just put the disclaimer out there

455
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: is I'm pretty ignorant. Okay, So if the question sounds

456
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Speaker 2: stupid or dumb or just girl, what the fuck you

457
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Speaker 2: talk about? Please correct me at any time. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I promise you. I've heard worse.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and everything is coming, you know, with love when

460
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Speaker 1: we talked back.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Period. That's the part that we need to say first.

462
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get into it. What is the difference

463
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Speaker 2: between being trans and gay? Or is there a difference?

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Speaker 3: It's not, damn right, like.

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Speaker 1: Some questions to know about him first, God, damn go ahead, baby,

466
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Speaker 1: I told you.

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Speaker 2: Just don't get into it.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I would definitely say that there's a difference.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I mean, we get two separate letters

470
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Speaker 4: in the LGBT acronym. But most of all, you know,

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Speaker 4: I find that, you know, gender and sexuality are just

472
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Speaker 4: completely separate, you know, like how you see yourself, how

473
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Speaker 4: you want to present yourself, how I want people to

474
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Speaker 4: see you. It's completely different from who you are romantically

475
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Speaker 4: and sexually attracted to. So yes, they're they're very different things.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm.

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you guys, did everybody watch Orange, The New Orange,

479
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Speaker 4: The New Black? On Netflix. Okay, well, this happens in

480
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 4: the first season. They're the trans woman. Laverne Cox plays her. Okay,

481
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Speaker 4: when she transitions, she still wants to be married to

482
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Speaker 4: her wife, like it just had nothing to do with

483
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Speaker 4: who she was attracted to. It just was about how

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Speaker 4: she wanted to be seen, right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, same thing with Flay Monroe. So he excuse me,

486
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Speaker 1: well she I mean he does. He goes, he doesn't

487
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Speaker 1: really subscribe to the pronouns and all that stuff. Right,

488
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Speaker 1: So her partner, his partner is a woman, genetically born woman, right,

489
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Speaker 1: and then she also has children, so I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We never got into what she does now.

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Speaker 2: She says she doesn't like to be called a boy,

492
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Speaker 2: so she yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I don't remember that.

494
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Speaker 2: Okay, remember us why I feel stressed out a little bit.

495
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Speaker 2: The pronouns really stressed me out, and I'll be like

496
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Speaker 2: feeling bad when I fuck it up. I'll be feeling

497
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Speaker 2: really bad when I fuck up with someone's pronouns. And

498
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Speaker 2: it's never intentional. It's just what I see with my

499
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Speaker 2: eyes versus what a person wants to be called is

500
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Speaker 2: just conflicting in me, and it's hard to like because

501
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Speaker 2: I want to acknowledge people as what they want to

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Speaker 2: identify as. But then there's this disconnect between my brain

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Speaker 2: and their identity and it sucks up sometime. Not on purpose, though.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people feel that way. A lot of

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Speaker 4: people feel that way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I can even understand that they them when the

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Speaker 1: person isn't around, right, So like if I'm talking about

508
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: like we're talking about flame, right, they aren't currently here, Like,

509
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: it's easy to use as they them in that sense,

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Speaker 1: in that tense, but when the person is right there,

511
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Speaker 1: how do you do that?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: They it's all psychological because, like like you said, like

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Speaker 4: what your brain perceives the person as might be different

515
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Speaker 4: from what they want to be called. But I found

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Speaker 4: that in my experience, the more trans people I've been

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Speaker 4: around over the years, the easier it has been. Like my,

518
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Speaker 4: you know, your whole brain framework of how you view

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00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 4: gender just ends up changing a little bit different. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So it's it's not I don't struggle people pronounced ever anymore,

521
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Speaker 4: just because I'm around so many trans people that it's

522
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Speaker 4: just it's easy. You know, someone tells me and I'm like, oh,

523
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Speaker 4: now I see you as what you told.

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Speaker 1: Me as and that's what I said last week. I

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Speaker 1: don't really, you know, encounter too many trans people, like

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Speaker 1: I know bisexual women, I know gay men, you know,

527
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Speaker 1: so whatever. They usually like the gay men, especially as

528
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Speaker 1: our age group older, they don't mind being still called

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Speaker 1: a boy. He whatever. It's not really that confusing. So

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm not really around that many trans people.

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Speaker 1: I can see like if I were, it would be

532
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Speaker 1: it would come much easier. So I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: get into a little bit about you and you're a

534
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Speaker 1: background because I know you're a young person. Okay, so

535
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Speaker 1: you might not have a whole lot in your background.

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Speaker 1: You just told me, he told me going into the

537
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Speaker 1: third year of college. Okay, how's that on a college campus?

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Speaker 1: Or are there a lot of Are there a lot

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Speaker 1: of trans people on your college campus?

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Speaker 3: Well?

541
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Speaker 4: Yes, so I go to an art school in a city.

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Speaker 4: So it's weirder to find a person who was like

543
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Speaker 4: straight and sisunder than it is to find a person

544
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Speaker 4: who is not some flavor of LGBT. So yes, I'm

545
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Speaker 4: constantly surrounded by people who are queer on a daily basis.

546
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Speaker 2: So, okay, explain what is queer.

547
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: Queer is an umbrella term for LGBT. So a queer

548
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 4: person could be a lesbian, could be a gay man,

549
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 4: could be bisexual, could be trans, could be anything underneath

550
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Speaker 4: the LGBT umbrella.

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00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: It's just an umbrella term.

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Speaker 2: So if I got my cutia by a girl, am

553
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Speaker 2: I queer?

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00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: If you identify as queer, then yes, Okay, it's a choice.

555
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 4: It's a personal choice. There's like a lot of you know,

556
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Speaker 4: older LGBT people who don't identify with that term because

557
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 4: it was used as a slur back in the day,

558
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: but a lot of younger people have reclaimed it.

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Speaker 3: But it's really just up to you.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of like nigga and nigger.

561
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Speaker 3: Yes, essentially a little less controversial.

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Speaker 1: But yes, is it.

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Speaker 3: It's the same principle.

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Speaker 1: So at what point did you realize you were a

565
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Speaker 1: trans man? Have you felt this way your entire.

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Speaker 4: Life to some degree, yes, I definitely feel like I mean,

567
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 4: even as like a little little kid like I always

568
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 4: wanted to be a boy, like, I felt very strongly

569
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Speaker 4: about it, but I knew that that wasn't the case.

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Speaker 4: It was always you know, put your earing zone before

571
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 4: we go out or else I'm not taking you out.

572
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 4: Like things things like that, But it really wasn't until

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Speaker 4: puberty that I really started to feel like any like

574
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Speaker 4: anguish about it, you know, and throughout the first like

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Speaker 4: couple of years of because I hit puberty very early.

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Speaker 4: It was around like third or fourth grade, like way

577
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Speaker 4: quicker than everybody else. If you look at like my

578
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: elementary school pictures, I'm like a head taller than every

579
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Speaker 4: other student. So it was early for me, and I

580
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 4: was just like very sad all the time until around

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Speaker 4: like fifth grade when I heard of the concept. I

582
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Speaker 4: was like, oh, you can do that, like that's allowed,

583
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Speaker 4: Like people have done that, that's possible.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: You said third grade, you heard about it fifth fifth grade?

586
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Speaker 1: So was it taught in school?

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Speaker 3: So now if you learn about it? It was online?

588
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Speaker 4: Absolutely online, okay, and around fifth grade when I heard

589
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Speaker 4: about it, But I didn't like say anything or do

590
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Speaker 4: anything about it until like late six.

591
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: Grade when I talked to my mom about it.

592
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 4: That didn't go super well, but it didn't go terribly either.

593
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 4: But yes, it was around that age when I realized,

594
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: you know, and I was out to my friends around

595
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Speaker 4: seventh grade.

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Speaker 2: Now, in school, how did that work? Did your teachers

597
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Speaker 2: except that did they start identifying you differently or how

598
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: does that work as a young person in.

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Speaker 4: School, Well, you know, I was always a teacher's pet,

600
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Speaker 4: so I was always like really close with my teachers.

601
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 4: I still keep in contact with some of them from

602
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 4: like as early as middle school even now. But only

603
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 4: the ones who I got along with really well kind

604
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: of knew. But not because I told them, you know,

605
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Speaker 4: I wasn't allowed to tell them until ninth grade freshman

606
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Speaker 4: year high school.

607
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Speaker 3: Wasn't allowed to tell them.

608
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 4: But some of them knew, Like my theater teacher knew

609
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 4: because they would see my friends talk to me like

610
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: that and call me that. But they would I think

611
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: they would always just try to avoid calling me anything

612
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: so that they would you know, upset my family or me.

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Speaker 2: Or or upset you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, what were some of the biggest challenges like coming

615
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: out as trands? I know, especially to black parents law

616
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Speaker 1: and it's like the end of the goddamn world for

617
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: some of them, you know. But I think women may

618
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: be more a little bit more you know, accepting of

619
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Speaker 1: the new age stuff.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I find that, you know, within my family,

621
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Speaker 4: like most of my family members ignore it, you know,

622
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: Like I don't get any negative comments but I don't

623
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: get positive ones either, Like everyone just like.

624
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: Pretends that's not a thing that's happening.

625
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Speaker 5: You know.

626
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: It's pretty much like, oh, my very beautiful granddaughters, like

627
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 4: I have a mustache now, but do I that shit?

628
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: But that's very sweet.

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Speaker 2: Of That's what I was gonna ask you, Like, how

630
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: does Mss Barbara your grandmother? Does she acknowledge it or

631
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: she just completely just.

632
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: We have never said, exchange a single word about it.

633
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 4: The only thing I can remember is for my sixteenth birthday,

634
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 4: my family put together like a bunch of videos of

635
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 4: my family and friends saying happy birthday to me. It

636
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 4: was very heartfelt, and most of the people in the

637
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 4: video called me Mikel, but my grandma called me by

638
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: you know, my birth name, and she called me afterwards

639
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 4: like feeling very ghost She's like, I'm so sorry. Everyone

640
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: in the visit video called you Mikel except me, and

641
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: I was the and I was like, oh, it's fine,

642
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: it's completely fine.

643
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: I love you.

644
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 4: You can call me whatever you want because I love you,

645
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: my grandma, And that was like the only thing we've

646
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 4: talked about in that sense ever my entire life.

647
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: And then she probably just call you baby, come here, baby,

648
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: go get that shit from me.

649
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 4: Baby like this, I'll be lucky if she doesn't call

650
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 4: me by my little cousin's name, like she just missed

651
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: it exactly right.

652
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: Everybody else name but yours.

653
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Speaker 2: Did you ever struggle with your family saying this is

654
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: a phase, this is just a phase.

655
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Speaker 4: I mean yes, definitely with my mother when I was

656
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 4: like younger. But you know, time went on and it

657
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 4: didn't end, so not just it worked itself out.

658
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: You know, have you ever encountered anyone who it was

659
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: a phase and they transitioned back and what did that

660
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: look like? Oh?

661
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 3: Several?

662
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: You know, people try out different names, different pronouns. You know,

663
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 4: I've never met anyone who you know, went on hormones

664
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 4: or had surgery and changed their mind. But a lot

665
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: of people have tried out a million different names, a

666
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 4: million different pronouns just to see what fit and went

667
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: back to what they were originally as because you know,

668
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 4: they had something else going on that made them feel

669
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: that way.

670
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's normal.

671
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so that is normal. Okay, See I'm learning right now.

672
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm learning. I'm definitely learning.

673
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: What what are there any support systems out there or

674
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: anything that you might have tapped into why you were

675
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: transitioning into a transmand.

676
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 3: What do you mean.

677
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: Like online, like where did you know any type of.

678
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: Greers or therapy or anything to.

679
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 4: Nothing that I looked into, But I there was a

680
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: big like for me, there was a big YouTube community

681
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 4: of like trans like mask YouTubers who would like make

682
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 4: videos together and talk about things and be like, oh,

683
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 4: here's what I use, here's what I do, here's some tips,

684
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: you know. So that was a really big help for

685
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 4: me earlier in the day.

686
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: What are some of the day to day struggles that

687
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 2: you might experience as a trans person.

688
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 4: Definitely the biggest thing is like using public restrooms. It's

689
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 4: like I don't know, It's like I don't what. I'm

690
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 4: always thinking what is going to make someone not talk

691
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 4: to me? You know, like what is gonna make someone

692
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: leave me alone? Which choice? Which bathue do I go into?

693
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: And I think at this point I just try to

694
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 4: avoid all together, or I try to like really gauge,

695
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 4: like how masculine do I look today? Do I look

696
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 4: masculine enough that someone's not going to really question it,

697
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 4: You're gonna think I look a little feminine? Or should

698
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 4: I just say forget it and go into the women's

699
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: restroom and hope no one bothers me. You know, most

700
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 4: of the time, I just try to avoid it overall,

701
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 4: but it's a very annoying thing I have to think

702
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 4: about constantly when I'm out in.

703
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: Public, right, because if you got a P, you got

704
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: a P and you shouldn't have to be concerned like

705
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: what other motherfuckers think about you taking the peace.

706
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 4: Now, on my school campus, all the restrooms are gender neutral.

707
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 4: Not all of them, but most of them. A lot

708
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 4: of them are gender neutral restrooms in the public buildings,

709
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 4: and so I just don't have that problem there. So

710
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 4: when I go back home and I'm out in normal again,

711
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know what to do.

712
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, I never thought about that because you know,

713
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, when they were coming up with like the

714
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: gender they were trying to push that from North Carolina.

715
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: I remember, like Charlotte and people was like, no, we're

716
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: not doing that. But now, like just speaking to you,

717
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: and I'm still I'm thinking about you, not as a

718
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: trans man, but you know, just having to be this

719
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: person going into a men's restroom, Like what would that

720
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: really feel like? You know, because I think that even

721
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: if you presented as you do going to a women's restuom,

722
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: you might not even have any problems. But how would

723
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: you feel like being in a men's restroom with men.

724
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: And they treat you differently, or I've been on to

725
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: saw you or do something harmful to you because they

726
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: don't see you as a man. It sounds scary.

727
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: It's definitely.

728
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: It's always for me, it's always scarier before I go in.

729
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 4: I just have personally never had a real negative experience.

730
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: It's was something I worry about because always know, just

731
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 4: because as it happened yet doesn't mean it never will,

732
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 4: you know, But so far, no eye contact, no one

733
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 4: even looks at me in the men's rem I just

734
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: walked past.

735
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: Whenever I've gone in.

736
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: I've had one negative experience in the women's restroom at

737
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 4: like a It was like at a church event. I

738
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 4: should have known, but it was even before I was

739
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 4: like fifteen, you know, and I just had short hair

740
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 4: and I was wearing a little suit. And I walked

741
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 4: into the women's restroom and the woman was like, the

742
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 4: men's restroom was over there, and I just stood there.

743
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: I looked at her. She was like, oh, my bad

744
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.

745
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: She just walked past me, and I didn't even know

746
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: how to feel because it's like number one, clearly you

747
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: don't see me as a mad which is like good

748
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 4: and bad in this scenario.

749
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: I guess I just had to let it go.

750
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: Do you feel like your mental state has been affected

751
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: in any way by being a trans person? What do

752
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: you mean, like, like, has there been any negative impact

753
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: on your mental state because of you transitioning?

754
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

755
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: I think that it's really only been positive for me,

756
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 4: except in the sense of like I've had a negative

757
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 4: experience with other people that made me feel bad, you know,

758
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 4: but for myself personally, like when I'm by myself chilling

759
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: in my room, and when I'm with my friends, who

760
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 4: are you know, cool with me and nice to me,

761
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 4: I feel great.

762
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: I feel like me.

763
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: That's good to know that makes me hear. What advice

764
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: would you give a parent who is newly learning that

765
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: their child or young adult is a trans person.

766
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 4: You know, if it's like if they're an adult, you know,

767
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 4: I would just say, like let them take it at

768
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: their pace, you know, like listen to them, let them

769
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: make their own decisions, but also advise them like careful

770
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 4: slow down. It was really hard as a transperson to

771
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: hear like slow down at your transition, you know, because

772
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: like to you, you're like I need to be who

773
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 4: I envision for myself, Like right now, you know, you

774
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 4: feel like every second that goes by that you're not

775
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 4: like looking the way you want to look, being the

776
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: way you want to be. That you know, your life

777
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 4: hasn't started. That could be often what it feels like

778
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: that you aren't even like living your life yet because

779
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 4: you're still trapped in this like version of yourself that

780
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 4: you don't like. But it is still good to take

781
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 4: time and pace yourself to really figure out what exactly

782
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: it is that you want. Because there's a million different

783
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 4: ways that you can be trans you know. I know

784
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 4: people who changed their pronouns but will never change their

785
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 4: like their body. I know people who are on hormones

786
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: would never want surgery, people who've gotten surgery but don't

787
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 4: want hormones, people who have gotten both but never change

788
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 4: their name or their pronouns. Like, there's a million different

789
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 4: ways that you can be transgender.

790
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: And that's what I think about, like are you really transitioning?

791
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: Because I mean this is more so for the trans women,

792
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: because I don't A lot of them haven't actually transitioned, right,

793
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: They appear as women, but they you know, they still

794
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: have their same genitalia. They may have changed your names.

795
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: So is that really a trans at that point?

796
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 4: Well, you know, being transitioning is really just going from

797
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 4: one place to another, you know, regardless of where that

798
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 4: place is. It's complicated, you know, because it's number one.

799
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: Do trans the trans women are a little bit more complicated?

800
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: Because I always say this on this show, like I

801
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: feel like that whole movement is just like the highest

802
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: form of patriarchy that I could think of, right, and

803
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: so for we really don't hear from trans men as much.

804
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: It's like that group of people just be chilling. Meanwhile,

805
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: these trans women are going wild, Like do you feel

806
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: like they are pushing the agenda a little bit more

807
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: like the trans The trans women are way more involved

808
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: with like a lot of their legislation and things like that.

809
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: Do you feel like trans men get the same type

810
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: of respect in the LGBTQ community as trans women?

811
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: No, but I don't think we should. Here's the thing.

812
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 4: Trans women can't hide like transmen can. Testosterone does a

813
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 4: lot more to a female body than estrogen does to

814
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 4: a male body. Like trans women have always been out

815
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: front and center. They've always been the number one like

816
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 4: victim of the attacks, you know, they've always also been

817
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 4: the number one people in the streets marching for our rights,

818
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: you know. So it's like we have completely different positions.

819
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: You know.

820
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: It's not that transmen are just like outliving their lives,

821
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 4: Like we just don't get spotted as often. You probably

822
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: have met more than one more than me, you know,

823
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 4: transman before, because like we just we blend in with

824
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: regular every day society. So women can get clocked all

825
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 4: the time, and that's you know, it's harder for them,

826
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 4: so they kind of have to speak out. They gotta

827
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 4: have to have big personalities, they kind of have to

828
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 4: constantly defend themselves.

829
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: But you don't think it's because like the man, the

830
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: genetic masculinity that's still there, right, no matter how much

831
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: you try to mask it. It kind of comes out

832
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: in anger. And this is coming from a woman, right,

833
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: It kind of comes out in anger oftentimes towards women.

834
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: So when we see a trans woman with all this aggression,

835
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: I automatically think that's a dude acting like this. Towards

836
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: a woman, you know, whereas you don't really see trans

837
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: men like online be with men with men or women

838
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: nature born men. Yeah, and oftentimes the trans women aren't

839
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: being a I'm talking about like online and they're not

840
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: really being attacked. And I feel like women aren't like

841
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, men complain about how women are like the

842
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: number one supporters of all of us, right, just heterosexual

843
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: women just be okay with all the shits, right, But

844
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: we get attacked the most. I feel like from everybody

845
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: heterosexual women who support you're attacked of trans women.

846
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: So I got attacked, And I want you to tell

847
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: me how you really feel about this. Michael, I said

848
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: that I'm not cis gender. I'm just a woman. I'm

849
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: just a woman. I'm not a cis gender woman. And

850
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: someone said, you are what we say you are. You're

851
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: cis gender and you just have to deal with it.

852
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: That's what it is now. And I felt a way

853
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 2: about it, because how do you get to identify as

854
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: what you want to? But I don't, you know, like

855
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: why do I have to be cis gender? Why can't

856
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: I do be what I've always been? That it's okay

857
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: with me. I'm not telling you what you can or

858
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: cannot be, and I respect whatever you decide to be.

859
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: But why am I not receiving that same respect.

860
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 4: I get that, you know, it's complicated because like on

861
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 4: the other end, you know, trans people don't get to

862
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 4: decide whether or not we're called transgender or not. Like

863
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 4: if you identify something other than your birth sex, you're

864
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 4: called transgender, and if you identify as your birth sex,

865
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 4: you fallow into the definition of cis gender. And it's like,

866
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 4: I can understand being given a title that people say

867
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: like objectively, like factually that is you. I mean, we

868
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: have the same exact sperience. People tell me all the time. Factually,

869
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 4: objectively you are female. Factively objectively you are a woman.

870
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 4: And honestly, I don't know. I just ignore them, Like

871
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: when you say, like, I am not cisgender, I am

872
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: just a woman. I think that you have the right

873
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 4: to say whatever you want to say, to identify however

874
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 4: you want to identify. I think, And at the end

875
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: of the day, it's such a non issue to be

876
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 4: angry with SIS people for not wanting to identify ASIS,

877
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 4: Like I think that you can identify whoever you want,

878
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: you know, like in everyday life. It really does not

879
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 4: affect anybody that much. Like how often do you have

880
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 4: a problem because someone's like, I'm actually not a gender,

881
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 4: I'm just a woman.

882
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, that's right.

883
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's like a it's just like

884
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 1: the collective, right, So why it's almost like they're trying

885
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: to replace women, the transit the trans women, Like we

886
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: can't be we can't call ourselves women, but they want

887
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: to be called women period, Like that seems to be

888
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: the movement.

889
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: What do you mean you can't call ourselves women?

890
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: They want us now to call ourselves cis women or

891
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: birthing people while they call themselves women girl sis.

892
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 4: I think the term birthing people honestly comes more from

893
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 4: like people who are female first and in transition to

894
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 4: something else, rather than people. We have a term called AFAB,

895
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: which means assigned female at birth, which is a term

896
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 4: that people who are transgender but don't identify as women

897
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 4: use so that we can clarify what kind of transperson

898
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 4: we're talking about. Okay, okay, let me explain. Let me yes,

899
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 4: let me explain, Let me explain. So there's so many different,

900
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 4: like I said, as many different kinds of trans people

901
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: people identify as all kinds of different things, you know,

902
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: But when when we were specifically talking about like a

903
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 4: trans person who was born female, the term afab is

904
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 4: used to clarify. It's not used in everyday conversation, and

905
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 4: it's specifically in these conversations. And I think the term

906
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 4: birthing people, which is very stupid, honestly, but it's in

907
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: that same realm where it's like, I don't think anyone

908
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 4: should be calling women birthing people on a regular basis,

909
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 4: only in like very specific conversations that are about medical things.

910
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 4: Should we need to use these kinds of terms, you know,

911
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: because I understand inclusivity, but there's like there's a you

912
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 4: understand what I'm trying to say, Like.

913
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, No, that's not be lost as hell.

914
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: Look, I don't know, okay.

915
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 2: Aren't a fab person is someone who was genetically born

916
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: a female but now identify as it's something else that

917
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: might be having a baby.

918
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 4: No, that has nothing to do with the birth part.

919
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 4: Oh shit, Okay, it's just it's just if that literally

920
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 4: means assigned female at birth, is like the doctor looked

921
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 4: at you and they're like, that's a female that's all

922
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 4: that means. Okay, And it's the same term for people

923
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: who are who were male to a mab.

924
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: It's the same thing a mab.

925
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: I'm put this in my nose.

926
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: I hit it, okay. Can you talk about your experience

927
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: with as accessing healthcare as a transman?

928
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: I mean doctors are like weird, you know, like.

929
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: Are they because I feel like they like even like

930
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: when you're filling out paperwork now, like they asked these

931
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: these things are doing with your pronouns and all that stuff.

932
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 4: But you know, like that's the core, not the corporation,

933
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 4: but that's like the higher reps, like the people making

934
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: the paperwork are not necessarily the doctors.

935
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: Themselves, you know, and like got it right.

936
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's always just a little awkward, like

937
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 4: they don't know how to treat me, like just as

938
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 4: a person. I always feel like we're not really like

939
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 4: connecting on like a personal level, you know. I mean

940
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 4: they're always hopeful, they're always doing the best they can,

941
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 4: doing their job as best they can, but it definitely

942
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 4: always feels strange like they don't know how to approach me,

943
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 4: maybe like the word to say the wrong thing. I

944
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't go to the doctor that often.

945
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: Is it because of that or is just because you're healthy.

946
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 4: I'm just bad at going to the doctor, and general

947
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 4: always happened just.

948
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: Like a man, yeah, man, a black man.

949
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: So how long have you technically been transitioning? So you

950
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: you felt this way since you were you said fifth grade? Right, yes,

951
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: how long have you actually been transitioning into? Mikeel?

952
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 4: Like?

953
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: When did that start?

954
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: You know?

955
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 4: I tried out hormones, Because hormones, I said.

956
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: I've been onto saucer room.

957
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 4: I just I turned eighteen first, just a couple of

958
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 4: days after I turned eighteen, So it's been about like

959
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 4: a little over two years now that I've been onto

960
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 4: saucer room. I think I got my name legally changed

961
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: a little bit before I was eighteen.

962
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: I believe.

963
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: I still haven't.

964
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 4: I've been lazy, so I haven't like taken the paperwork

965
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 4: to like the DMV and all that good stuff. So

966
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 4: I like driver's license still says my birth name, but

967
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 4: it doesn't bother me that much. But like, I've been

968
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 4: out to like my friends and my parents as early

969
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 4: as eighth grade freshman year, so socially, I transitioned around

970
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: that time.

971
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: Do you feel like there is an age too young

972
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: for a person to start transitioning? Like should a parent

973
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: be like, my five year old doesn't feel like a

974
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: so I should let my five year old be a girl.

975
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 4: I think that there should be no minimum aids for

976
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 4: socially transitioning.

977
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 5: No.

978
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: I think that you should be able to call yourself

979
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 4: whatever you want at any age to see how it feels.

980
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 4: I think it's so important to like go out in

981
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 4: life and have people call you what you think that

982
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 4: you want to be called, so that you can see

983
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 4: how it makes you feel, like or do you want

984
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: to do this really? Like I don't understand the issue

985
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 4: with the trial run, you know. I understand the issues

986
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 4: with hormones and surgery that should all become like much.

987
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: More buying clothes, you know, And it's also a transition

988
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: for the parent too.

989
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 3: I agree.

990
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 4: I understand that it's very hard on parents as well,

991
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 4: but I think that there's it's harder on the person

992
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 4: on the kid, you know, as someone who was that kid,

993
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 4: you know, and it is the issue. I mean, I

994
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 4: guess if you are, like, if you don't have money

995
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 4: to just blow like buying clothes can be a problem,

996
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 4: but I promise you, like most trans kids will be

997
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: willing to go to the thrift shop and buy like

998
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 4: a two dollars boy shirt to make themselves feel better,

999
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 4: you know. Like I don't think we're all that picky.

1000
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 4: But I can't speak for everybody, of course, but no,

1001
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 4: I don't think the should be a minim maze for socially social.

1002
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 2: Okay, too well, I want to identify as a bad

1003
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: rich bitch and I want everybody to call me that

1004
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: and twenty five years old forever.

1005
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 5: Okay, I think I feel like I want to be

1006
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 5: a white man, rich white man. Have you encountered any

1007
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 5: difficulties like in the workplace related to your gender identity

1008
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 5: or have you worked or I have a full time

1009
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 5: college student.

1010
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 4: I've worked, you know, I mean like minimum waise jobs,

1011
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: you know, but you know I told them what the

1012
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 4: name to call me. I really, I mean I've had

1013
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 4: some really funny moments with like customers working customer service,

1014
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 4: Like would you like that like hear a story?

1015
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay like stories.

1016
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 4: Okay, I was at the cash register and this like

1017
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 4: grandmother came in with like just like me be like

1018
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 4: a little ten year old boy and like a like

1019
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 4: a six year old little girl and they come in

1020
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 4: and they like they're ordering their stuff, and the little

1021
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 4: girl just keeps staring at me, like staring me down.

1022
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 4: And I'm like, here we go, like I know, I

1023
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 4: know this really, and she just she looks at me

1024
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 4: and she goes, are you a gore or a boy?

1025
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 4: And I was like, am I what I said?

1026
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: Excuse me?

1027
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: She said? Are you a or a boy? And the

1028
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: grandma was like looking at the kid, looking at me

1029
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: like so terrified, and I.

1030
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 4: Was just like, I was like, I'm a boy and

1031
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 4: she was like, no, you're not. My Grandma's like, I'm

1032
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 4: so sorry.

1033
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: Stop.

1034
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 3: I was like, why ask if you if you already know.

1035
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: If you already decided what I am, why are you asking?

1036
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 3: Right?

1037
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: Try to check your temperature?

1038
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: Grandma looks so scared, and I'm just like I could

1039
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 4: as a child.

1040
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: Have you ever had problems with like people identifying you

1041
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: on purpose as what you don't want to be identified

1042
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: is just to be mean to you, like people you

1043
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: know in real life?

1044
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 4: Honestly, no, I find that people don't talk to me,

1045
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 4: you know, about it when they're not cool with it,

1046
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 4: you know, like everyone just avoids it. I think it's

1047
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 4: because I'm such a like a I don't care, Like

1048
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 4: you really cannot hurt my feelings, Like if you just go,

1049
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 4: if you're trying to antagonize me, I'm not going to

1050
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 4: give you the satisfaction of blowing up about that, you know.

1051
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: So I've always been a person. I don't know.

1052
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: I think I just have thick skin in that sense

1053
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 4: where it's just like you can do whatever you want,

1054
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: Like I simply just surround myself with people who are

1055
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 4: cool with me and who support me, Like if you don't,

1056
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 4: then I just will ignore you. That's just how I've

1057
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 4: always felt. So I think people just don't try, you know.

1058
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 4: I mean I've had like one I've had one, yes,

1059
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 4: but the best I could I was really young in

1060
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 4: my transition then, so that hurt me more. I think

1061
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 4: that's probably why I'm like this now. She she's my

1062
00:53:54,920 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: character development that, Yes, what advice would you.

1063
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 2: Have for a young person who's struggling with telling their

1064
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 2: family how they feel and you know, wanting to transition

1065
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: but not feeling like it's a safe space in their environment.

1066
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 4: Honestly, you got to put yourself first in that scenario,

1067
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 4: Like if you think that coming out is going to

1068
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 4: make you be unsafe, like then spend however many years

1069
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 4: you got to you're out of the house, prepping for

1070
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 4: being able to be on your own and being able

1071
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 4: to take care of yourself, you know, because like I

1072
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 4: don't think that you should hide suppress how you're feeling

1073
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 4: for your entire life because you think it's going to

1074
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 4: make you lose people. The people who love you should

1075
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 4: support you no matter what. So I guess that's my advice,

1076
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 4: Like think about what's going to make you the most

1077
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 4: safe and happy of the course in your entire life,

1078
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 4: and not what's going to make people accept you.

1079
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 3: You know. Does that make sense?

1080
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

1081
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: Is there anything you wish you had known like earlier,

1082
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: like wish while transitioning.

1083
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 4: There's something I wish I could go back and tell

1084
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 4: myself like middle school age, And it's that I think

1085
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 4: there's this idea that like only like very queer looking

1086
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 4: people are going to be attracted to you as a transperson.

1087
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 4: It's not true, Like you'd be very shocked.

1088
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: Because these niggas is nasty and I'm not saying an

1089
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: nasty but it's almost like a weird.

1090
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: Thing, like.

1091
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 4: Why why people hide what are you their preferences.

1092
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: Some queer shit going on with a lot of guys.

1093
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 4: You know, not even just guys, women too, women to pretend.

1094
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 4: I don't know people people, people hide their preferences, and

1095
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 4: so it's like you were not a grotesque You're not

1096
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 4: gonna be a gro test moster.

1097
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 3: Who's gonna be so ugly that one's gonna want you?

1098
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 3: That's not true.

1099
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 4: Plenty of people like what they're like be choosing, and.

1100
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: You're gonna be surprised and who all want you? Like,

1101
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: damn boys, damn girls. You know, I relax exactly. Not

1102
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: for me to go around.

1103
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 4: I would say that to other trans people too.

1104
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: So how do you envision like your future in terms

1105
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: of gender identity and personal growth.

1106
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 4: Gender identity and personal growth? Well, you know, like, obviously,

1107
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 4: I'd like to have a good career in my chosen field.

1108
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 4: I'd like to make a good amount of money. I

1109
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 4: want to live in this like near the city or

1110
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 4: in the city one day, that's my goal. I like

1111
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 4: to be around core people, like I like to be

1112
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 4: in queer areas. I'm not the type of person who

1113
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 4: wants to like seek out adversity, you know, I'm not

1114
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 4: marching in the streets. I'm just not that person. I'm

1115
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 4: so grateful for those people with my community who want

1116
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 4: to argue every single day, I really am, because that

1117
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 4: means I don't have to, you know, So I guess

1118
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 4: I just I would just want to be happy with

1119
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 4: my people and live a good life. That's really it,

1120
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not a complicated person.

1121
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: Do you want children?

1122
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: I do. I'd like to adopt.

1123
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 4: But if my partner wanted to, like, do IV for

1124
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 4: themselves so we could do that too.

1125
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 3: I don't care. A tried as a child.

1126
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: Okay, now this question you don't have to answer if

1127
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: you don't want.

1128
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what he would he carry? That's what I

1129
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: was thinking.

1130
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: No, no, because he already said he would have dot.

1131
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: But like, do you are you gay or do you like.

1132
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: I'm pantastical? I'm open. I don't.

1133
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 4: I never call myself fans like. I don't know why

1134
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: I did it. Just now, I'm the worst place possible

1135
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 4: to say that I'm bisexual.

1136
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: I'm open. I don't care.

1137
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 2: Okay, just.

1138
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,479
Speaker 3: Exactly, Okay, that's fair.

1139
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: Interesting.

1140
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: Do you have any more questions? Because I want a

1141
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 2: dumb bitch story or simp series from Mike Keel.

1142
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So do you know I have any resources or

1143
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: organizations you can recommend for those looking for support like

1144
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: trans people or looked in order to learn about trans issues.

1145
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: Do you know any community?

1146
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 4: I mean, if you are a trans person, there's a

1147
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 4: ton of support groups out there, but one that I

1148
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 4: keep getting emails for specifically is from an organization called Plume.

1149
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 4: There where I get my my hormones from. You know,

1150
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 4: they like ship.

1151
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: That was a question I had. I wanted to know

1152
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: where you initially got your home hormone.

1153
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 4: Yes, they're expensive, you They ship basically nationwide, I believe,

1154
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 4: except in like certain states where we're having like legality issues,

1155
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 4: I believe. But they have a ton of like zoom

1156
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 4: like call support groups and stuff to just talk about

1157
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 4: things like give you information on how to legally change

1158
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 4: your name. Things like that support for like people trying

1159
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 4: to learn about trans people. I'm afraid I can't help.

1160
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1161
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: Well that that's kind of good because that means you

1162
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: haven't had like a whole bunch of adversity, like so

1163
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: you don't know those groups.

1164
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 4: So that's good, And I mean I wouldn't say that,

1165
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 4: but I just feel like.

1166
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: The trans men be chilling because you know, we don't.

1167
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: You just don't be uptight like that. I just really

1168
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: feel that way women, I'd be wilding.

1169
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: Out, you know.

1170
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 4: I mean, no one's ever hurt me, but I've definitely

1171
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 4: had some altercations here and there.

1172
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, how is the experience in church?

1173
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: Do you go to church? Do you feel like church

1174
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: is a safe space as a trans person?

1175
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1176
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, Like, I haven't been to church since

1177
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 4: I was very little. I honestly it had nothing to

1178
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 4: do with me being trans. One time, I like threw

1179
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 4: up everywhere. My grandma never seen me back ever her again.

1180
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 4: She was so embarrassed. I think I was really in it.

1181
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

1182
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: When I'm around like church going people, like I said,

1183
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 4: no one says anything to my face, No says anything

1184
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 4: to my face.

1185
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 3: Everyone's for light in cordial.

1186
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 4: Sometimes I feel like a person's treating me a little

1187
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 4: meaner than they normally would it, and I just assume

1188
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 4: that it's because of that.

1189
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 3: You know, but I nowhere really knowing.

1190
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 2: Right, it might just be that there, dickhead and not. Yeah,

1191
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with you as a person.

1192
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: Some people just just.

1193
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: Me, yeah, anything else, like you wanted to share about

1194
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: your experience or insight as a trans man.

1195
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 4: No, I think you guys asked a lot of really

1196
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 4: good questions.

1197
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, And I didn't offend at all, right,

1198
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: not really, not really tell me, tell me what I

1199
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 2: did offend on.

1200
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 3: It's not really offense.

1201
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 4: It's just like I don't know, like within like what

1202
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 4: other tips people I know, Like we joke all the

1203
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 4: time about the oh, identify as this joke?

1204
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: What we joke about the joke? Exactly?

1205
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 4: I identify as a rich It's like it's not even offensive.

1206
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 4: It's just like all right, here we go.

1207
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: But why we can't.

1208
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: Though, Like I'm confused, Like maybe it's not a joke today.

1209
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: You know, tomorrow it might not be your joke, right,

1210
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: I might really want to be a white man tomorrow.

1211
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 4: I mean, what people have tried it. People try to

1212
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 4: be transversial all the time.

1213
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: Rachel Dozel shout out to Rachel Joseel.

1214
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 3: You know we have the same birthday.

1215
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: Oh really, now that's a fool right then, But she'd

1216
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: be yelling.

1217
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: All right, So we're gonna go to commercial and we

1218
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 2: come back. We're gonna get a SIMP series story from Michael.

1219
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: We'll be right back dumbitch stories, so do because we've

1220
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 2: all been a dumb bitch at least once or twice.

1221
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: All right, y'all, we are back and Michael is going

1222
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: to share his SIMP series story with us. Go ahead, Michael,

1223
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 2: what happened?

1224
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: Okay?

1225
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 4: Well, back when I was in high school, I had

1226
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 4: this this guy who sat in like the back of

1227
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 4: the classroom from me, and I guess I'm gonna give

1228
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 4: him a fake dam I'll call him. I'll call him Rick,

1229
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 4: And you know Rick. He was hispanic, you know, very handsome,

1230
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 4: and he was like short. I always really like short

1231
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 4: guys because they don't make me feel short, because I

1232
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 4: think he's about like five five. But this was like

1233
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 4: in the middle of COVID, so like we're all wearing

1234
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 4: our masks and everything, and I can barely see him,

1235
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 4: but I think, you know, eventually, like I wrote The

1236
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 4: Courage and I asked him for his phone numbers so

1237
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 4: that like we could like chat and like be friends

1238
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 4: or whatever. And we started texting for a while and

1239
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 4: he was really nice, like very nice actually, and I

1240
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 4: found his Instagram and stuff like that's what was the

1241
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 4: actual face was like, and he had a very nice smile.

1242
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 4: You know, I thought he was great. I had a

1243
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 4: really big crush on this guy, and you know, he

1244
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 4: respected my pronouns and everything. And I divided over to

1245
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 4: my house one day and we were hanging out in

1246
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 4: my room and like watching this like cartoon or whatever,

1247
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 4: and he like, I don't know, he asked me like

1248
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 4: a couple of like little questions here and there.

1249
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 3: He was like, so how did.

1250
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 4: You know, like like what of people do you like?

1251
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 4: Like just basically a lot of questions about my identity

1252
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,919
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, and I answered them all because

1253
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: you know, I just I like to talk, you know,

1254
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 4: like to have a little conversation. So I was completely

1255
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 4: open with everything. And at some point during that time

1256
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 4: he kissed me, and then he left and he went home,

1257
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 4: right and like I think like a week later, he

1258
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 4: came over again. He was like, so have you been

1259
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 4: like who've you like told about this? And I was like,

1260
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 4: is there people that I'm not supposed to tell about this?

1261
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 4: She was like, no, no, it's fine, it's fine. I

1262
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 4: just you know, I just wanted to know if, like,

1263
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 4: you know, you've been like talking about this around with

1264
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 4: like people or whatever. And at this point I'm like, oh, okay,

1265
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 4: so this is a secret, like you don't want anybody

1266
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 4: to know about this, And you know, I wish I

1267
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 4: could say I stopped talking to him after that, but

1268
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 4: I didn't, So it was it was like a little

1269
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 4: a little secret for a while. But I guess that's

1270
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 4: my big story for that, because that's embarrassing. After that,

1271
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 4: I should have been lining.

1272
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: So I have a question about that, because maybe he

1273
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: wasn't ready to be out, you know, does that make

1274
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: would that make you feel like it's about you or

1275
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 2: more about them?

1276
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 4: You know a little bit of both, because he's the thing,

1277
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 4: like it's so much about image, And it's always going

1278
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 4: to be a slight when you feel like a person

1279
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 4: doesn't want, like isn't proud to be seen with you specifically,

1280
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 4: Like that's always gonna be something that's hurtful, especially when

1281
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 4: you know the next person he was out with was

1282
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 4: my friend, who is like the most like prettiest, skinny,

1283
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 4: little white girl on the planet, you know, and it

1284
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 4: it just feels like it's slight, it does you know?

1285
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 4: I don't believe in out in anybody, tell anybody anybody's business.

1286
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's always gonna be hurtful, you know.

1287
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 2: No, I can feel that I can respect that, but

1288
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 2: you never know, he might have wanted to be with

1289
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 2: you but just felt like he couldn't.

1290
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 3: You know, I believe I believe that too.

1291
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 4: You know. It's always hard for me to as like

1292
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 4: this is one of my faults, Like it's hard for

1293
01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 4: me to empathize super well.

1294
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 3: But because I was so out so.

1295
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 4: Early compared to a lot of other people, that it's

1296
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 4: like hard for me to like imagine, like I'm scared.

1297
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 4: I don't want anybody to know because I've just never

1298
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 4: been able to hide. Really Like, I feel like I

1299
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 4: feel like everybody knew before I knew, at least that

1300
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 4: something was off about me.

1301
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: In black families, we'd be knowing from birth.

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Speaker 4: My mother told me that a client turned around in

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Speaker 4: her chair one day when she was doing her hair

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Speaker 4: and just said, you know, you know your daughter is gay?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: I gotta be in like elementary school at this point,

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Speaker 4: maybe middle school, how do you know?

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, Well, you know what, I kind

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Speaker 2: of knew because when we would talk, you want to

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Speaker 2: talk about nothing but comic books and comic Con and

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Speaker 2: nothing else, nothing else. That's me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is just nurty.

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Speaker 2: I didn't like I mean, he didn't like it.

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Speaker 4: I liked I liked Barbie's. I loved Barbie Dolls.

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Speaker 2: Very very young. You got over that quick.

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Speaker 4: I just like to add stuff out. But that's probably

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Speaker 4: because because I'm a writer. That's probably where that came from.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Michael, tell everybody where they can find you.

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Speaker 2: Plug anything that you're doing, anything that you want to

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Speaker 2: share where people go ahead and plug it for yourself.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, you can find me on Instagram at It's

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Speaker 4: spelled m y k E underscore e L, so it's

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Speaker 4: like my name, but add an extra E and put

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Speaker 4: it like an underscore between the e's at mike L.

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Speaker 2: That's one more time. Because you're going to do it people,

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Speaker 2: you can m.

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Speaker 4: Y k E underscore e L on Instagram on Instagram

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Speaker 4: and they're attached to my website. I have a lot

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Speaker 4: of writing projects that I'd love to share. It's basically

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Speaker 4: that portfolio. So if you were going to work with me,

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Speaker 4: let me know, please shoot me an email.

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Speaker 1: So what are you writing?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: You write like scripts and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 4: I also do creative writing. I do everything, also do journalism.

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Speaker 2: Do you look, what's the email? Though you didn't say

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Speaker 2: the email? What is it? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, it's on the website.

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Speaker 2: Oh and what's the website?

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Speaker 3: It's attached to the instagram.

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Speaker 1: It's on the instagram. Now hold on, we already was

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Speaker 1: past that, right quick? Do you know how to use

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Speaker 1: final Draft?

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Speaker 3: I do? I have it?

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Speaker 2: Period.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll be emailing you because do you mind? Can

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Speaker 1: I pay you to give me like a tutorial?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, yes, I need It's perfect.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, I need help because I'm writing some stuff

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Speaker 1: and I've just been you know, just typing in regular

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Speaker 1: but I need to know how to properly format things like.

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Speaker 3: Script for Oh absolutely, I can teach you all about her.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yay, now I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm a screen so like that was like my

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Speaker 4: first several classes when wow, okay.

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Speaker 1: So I mean I look, I look for some people

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Speaker 1: on Fiver, but I just you know, you just can't

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Speaker 1: be sure before you pay somebody. So yeah, I will

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Speaker 1: be contacting you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for joining us, Mikel, and thank

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Speaker 2: you for sharing all this information with us. I really

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Speaker 2: really really appreciate you with the Aunties, with the Aunties

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Speaker 2: Millennial Aundies K A J.

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Speaker 2: Well we're yeah all right.

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