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Speaker 1: Welcome back to our ongoing coverage of the NFL combine

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Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis. Jerry Dulak and Dale Lawley joined by

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Speaker 1: Max Starks for this hour, and then I will depart

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Speaker 1: at two pm and it will be Dale and Max

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Speaker 1: along with Matt Williamson, right, going right up to five o'clock.

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Speaker 1: You got three more hours in you actually four?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have four hours straight of this.

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Speaker 2: Dale is the five hour man. Five hours yeah again, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you are five hour energy man, friend.

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Speaker 3: I have done now after at the end of today,

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Speaker 3: fifteen hours of radio in three days.

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Speaker 4: And maybe that's as you get unplugged.

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Speaker 2: You want something happens. Oh there we go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah good, Yeah, got all mixed up here, so yeah yeah,

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Speaker 4: yeah we're on.

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Speaker 2: Are you good? We're inverted? I can hear you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me see if this that's the one that's

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Speaker 3: the one that's not in use.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the one that's not in use. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowler joining us this hour. Well, I just texted him.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know how you have to reach out to him.

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Speaker 2: I reached out to him yesterday and he said he

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Speaker 2: was and that he didn't he joins us if he

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Speaker 2: joins us.

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Speaker 1: Cool, Yes, exactly, I've already forgotten what I wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask him. Yeah, or we talk about oh well, one

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Speaker 1: of the things. What do you think about this discussion

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Speaker 1: about the uh the tush push to your brotherly shove,

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Speaker 1: trying to ban it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to get enough votes. What

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Speaker 2: do you think about it? You know, I don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna get enough votes. I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's gonna get enough votes. But you know, I'm not

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Speaker 2: a fan of it. We kind of talked about it

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Speaker 2: the other day, and you know, I wish there was

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Speaker 2: more clarification on it. You know, we talked. I kind

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Speaker 2: of talked about how I don't like the assistance aspect

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Speaker 2: of pushing a player from start to finish because of

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Speaker 2: the old rule where when I was a player, when

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Speaker 2: we played running back stopped his feet. Offensive lineman had

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Speaker 2: to stop pushing it in a scrum, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Didn't even know they could push at a certain point.

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Speaker 1: I thought they outlawed that you couldn't as just the

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Speaker 1: runner in any form they did outlaw.

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Speaker 2: But when I played, that was the thing, like, if

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Speaker 2: he's still going, you could jump in there. Right, and

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Speaker 2: so now you're creating it that because it starts from

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Speaker 2: the beginning now, so now all of a sudden the

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Speaker 2: legal play. I don't like that aspect of it, I said,

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Speaker 2: I don't mind seeing that phalanx action, right, and then

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Speaker 2: just moving it forward, creating like a shield wall and

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Speaker 2: just plummeting forward. But I wish they didn't have to

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Speaker 2: touch the runner. I don't like the assistance of touching him.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, if you can get him up in

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Speaker 2: there and they can make a root hog with the

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Speaker 2: you know, and push like the offensive lineman kind of

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Speaker 2: like remember the old field goal block roles right where

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Speaker 2: when I played in the early two thousands, you could

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Speaker 2: aim cover the center and then be the linebackers would

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Speaker 2: come behind and they'd push and try and force you through. Right.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind that aspect of it, but don't that's

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Speaker 2: the guy with the ball. That's where I have a

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Speaker 2: little bit of an issue with it. I I, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, beyond to twitch push, this ability to come in

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Speaker 1: and just hammer the pile. To me, you know they're

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Speaker 1: always talking about safety men. To me, that's where injuries

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Speaker 1: are gonna happen because you got these three hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten pound guys sometimes getting a running start. Man, it's

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Speaker 1: whether it's gonna be friendly fire or hurting the other

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Speaker 1: guy you're you're trying to push your guy. Would you

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Speaker 1: want somebody told that big coming in when you're giving

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Speaker 1: away one hundred pounds and get slammed like that?

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Speaker 2: No, you don't. And I know they're like, well, the

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Speaker 2: risk of injury is really low, and oh it's only

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Speaker 2: three plays. But I'm like, why do we need this play?

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Speaker 2: If A, if it is such an ancillary play, then

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Speaker 2: we could do without those three plays, right because obviously

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Speaker 2: you know they say, well, if it was so easy,

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Speaker 2: everybody should be able to do it. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 2: do it, right, But you're also punishing one team who

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Speaker 2: can do it. Yeah, wants to do it. That's where

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Speaker 2: I think it's come wrong. And that's where I think, like,

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Speaker 2: create clarification for it, right, I get, don't get rid

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Speaker 2: of it, but you need to add some bumpers for it,

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Speaker 2: because it is an unstoppable play for that one team.

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Speaker 1: I saw the play this year Dion Dawkins from Buffalo

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Speaker 1: literally grabs James Cook about the four yard line when

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Speaker 1: he's fighting with He literally grabs him and just carries him,

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Speaker 1: carries him into the end zone. Yeah, no to me,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think it's kind of amusing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that should be allowed.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Did he didn't spike him at the end of it.

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Speaker 2: Lawn dart him afterwards? Right right? Yeah? But that but

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Speaker 2: that and that's what I think is like, is like

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Speaker 2: the assisting a ball carrier, right that That's where I

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Speaker 2: kind of have a little bit of a gray area

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Speaker 2: and being like, you know, wanting the football purist in

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Speaker 2: me to say, no, that guy has to get it.

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Speaker 2: If heat stop play is dead. But you can't start

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of the play to create the momentum

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Speaker 2: for him as well.

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Speaker 1: Billkuer Uh I heard him Dan Patrick or somewhere said

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Speaker 1: it was that it's rugby rugby scrum. That's exactly what

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Speaker 1: it is. And and rugby scrum is another word the

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Speaker 1: NFL looks at as a gimmick and the NFL the

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Speaker 1: owners do not like gimmick plays. I don't yet we

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Speaker 1: have the kickoff role, which that's exactly right, And that's

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Speaker 1: what I said. That's why I didn't think the kickoff

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Speaker 1: eliminated after one year, but they're coming back with it

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Speaker 1: because they had more returns for touchdowns this year than

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Speaker 1: the previous year. And that's what they talk about putting

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Speaker 1: the excite, keeping the exciting play in the game. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know that rule is not going to it's

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Speaker 1: a gimmick to get that exciting play.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is, Yes, it is.

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Speaker 3: It's it's no different than when they start talking about,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you instead of doing it on side kick,

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Speaker 3: how about let's make it you know, fourth and fifteen

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Speaker 3: or whatever, and you gotta, you gotta.

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Speaker 4: That's a gimmick.

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Speaker 1: That's why they That's why they shot that. That's why

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Speaker 1: they shot that.

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Speaker 3: Would be like ending a ending a basketball game with

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Speaker 3: a slam dunk contest or a three three point shooting contest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's part of the game, but it's not the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not the prevailing factor of the game.

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Speaker 2: And when you're talking about trying to create that, it's like,

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Speaker 2: what are you sacrificing to create something?

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Speaker 1: So safety was a big issue of course, citing this

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Speaker 1: change in the kickoff rule. Is it any different for

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Speaker 1: unpunt returned safety because you could get drilled just as well.

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Speaker 1: And they're coming full steam ahead at you on that

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Speaker 1: that's right. And sometimes you know, if they're going for

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Speaker 1: the block. Now I know a lot of times going

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Speaker 1: for the block, they're calling for a fair catch. But

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Speaker 1: there are times when you have no help back there

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Speaker 1: and here they come.

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Speaker 2: And even then sometimes some guys might not pay attention

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Speaker 2: through because I didn't see this motion versus this motion right,

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Speaker 2: And then there's an argument from the other side he

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Speaker 2: waved it fair, but it was down here quick and

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Speaker 2: the other you know, you have to be here. And

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Speaker 2: so it's an inherently dangerous sport. It is a contact sport.

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Speaker 2: It is a gladiatorial sport. I like that that it

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Speaker 2: is for us to figure out how to make it

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Speaker 2: less violent when it is and its nature a violent

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Speaker 2: game is what's very arbitrary. It's like, it's like, are

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Speaker 2: you really splitting hairs about this? Like at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, guess what. Guys get hit, Guys get hurt,

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Speaker 2: and guys keep on playing. You punish and then you

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Speaker 2: get punished in the process. That's why we watch it.

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Speaker 1: What was that where Tony Groscy used yesterday? That's the

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Speaker 1: coaches now use it. Was it observationally or some observation, right,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like gladiatorially. So but here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: So how about early in the game you just give

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Speaker 1: up the fifteen yards. If somebody's gonna catch it at

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Speaker 1: the ten, just go send the message and run right

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Speaker 1: through them and knock him. So he's going to think

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Speaker 1: about it the rest of the game. Hey, we'll give

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Speaker 1: you the penalty, but we're gonna set a little tone exactly.

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Speaker 2: Let's just set the tone, right, and it's like, oh, yes,

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Speaker 2: out fifteen, that's it. Well, I got a really good defense,

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Speaker 2: all right, that's right. Guarantee if your top you know,

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Speaker 2: slot receivers back there right now, I've taken him out

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Speaker 2: of your game or nothing else, you're gonna make a

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Speaker 2: man seat the next time. Yeah, and he's he might muffet,

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Speaker 2: which we've also seen that before, right, or a guy

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Speaker 2: because he got drilled. He's like and then all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden you get butterhands.

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Speaker 1: Anything in particular that you want to see today, and

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Speaker 1: what the group's gonna be out there, Well, they're on

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Speaker 1: the field today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're on the field. The drill start at three

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Speaker 2: o'clock today and they'll go on until eight pm this evening.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be really interested. I love the five ten

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Speaker 2: to five shuttle for the D line and the L drill.

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Speaker 2: Those things. Those are my two football esque drills. And

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Speaker 2: I know you about individuals individuals in regards to maybe

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Speaker 2: to those drills. Yeah, you know, individuals. I enjoy some

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Speaker 2: of them, but hitting a dummy bag is only so

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Speaker 2: much fun, you know, And it's such a coached up

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Speaker 2: drill that they do normally. I think for the average

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Speaker 2: fan they're happy about that because they don't get to

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Speaker 2: see practices like like we have access to. And so

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Speaker 2: for me, you know, can a guy move left and

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Speaker 2: right on the ball drill? He's moving around, you know,

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Speaker 2: all that kind of kind of movement around watching the

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Speaker 2: ball drill. That doesn't excite me. You know, the hoops

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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit. That pursuit drill that they do

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Speaker 2: where they have both the rings in there and you

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Speaker 2: have to run around the rings and chase the guy

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Speaker 2: trying to tag him. That's a little bit because that's

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Speaker 2: just a little bit of desire and want to But

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Speaker 2: for me, the biggest drills that I see outside of

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Speaker 2: watching game tape is going to be their lateral movement

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Speaker 2: and then their their turnaround adjustment retrace ability.

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Speaker 1: Fellas Uh. While he is here Omar Cohn, he's meeting

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Speaker 1: with Naji Harris's representative, the guy from washing Washerman sports

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Speaker 1: that Doug Hendrickson is his name, you know, to see

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Speaker 1: kind of where they are. What do you think or

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Speaker 1: might happen or should happen with that? With nause not

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Speaker 1: so much with that position, because it's pretty much foregone conclusion.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to get Jalen Warnbeck. You tender them, even

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Speaker 1: the writer of first refusal three million dollars. I mean,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna give Jaylen more and more than if you

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Speaker 1: game the second round ten? Who's gonna give more than five?

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's gonna do that anyhow, But that's

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Speaker 1: pretty much a foregone conclusion. But what do you do

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Speaker 1: with what do you what are they gonna do with nausea?

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Speaker 1: What would you do with naugen?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can give him a respectable offer, but

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Speaker 3: To test free agency, and you know, because of what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and I believe that Arthur Smith actually prefers

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Speaker 2: nobody's respecting Russell Wilson's boot game. You know, they might

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Speaker 1: It's the way they feel, yes, the way they feel.

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Speaker 4: That's the way that this has to work.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can't you know, if they could have

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Speaker 1: It wasn't that the most telling sign for the most

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Speaker 3: At that position, to pick up that fifty year option

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Speaker 2: And he's played through injuries. He has sour yeah, and

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Speaker 3: Nobody's questioning his toughness, no, no, I mean, it's definitely

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Speaker 2: But we need dynamic playmaking on the offense side of

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Speaker 3: No, it becomes on the Kenny Pickett situation where you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like, do I want to do I

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Speaker 1: Where did they find a size seventeen steel plate or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you had to show up for meetings,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they knew I was on my way, so they

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Speaker 4: As long as his arms are he could actually he

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Speaker 1: Two things I was told the Steelers want. But like

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Speaker 2: Have vision, huge rights. I would even say that versus

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Speaker 1: It wasn't one of the other I wasn't ranking them, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I need the vision first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even care about forty times are all

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Speaker 4: Ran for thirteen hundred yards this year because he has.

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Speaker 2: A vision, right, Yeah, that's right. Yeah, And I think

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Speaker 2: And that's where the vision the patients kind of go

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Speaker 2: it's no different than not hitting the hole at all. Right,

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Speaker 2: But if the guy slow plays it and takes it

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Speaker 2: go and go upfield. That's the thing that you know,

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Speaker 2: I think there are a couple of guys who do

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Speaker 2: you can't get in like you said, and there's plenty

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We're gonna come back with

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Speaker 1: more from the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Jerry Dulac, Dale

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Speaker 1: Lawley and Max Starks will be back right after this.

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Speaker 1: The uh Valery cap here has been released two hundred

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Speaker 1: that was almost as big was after COVID when it

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Speaker 2: Up and up.

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Speaker 1: And that's it's certainly not surprising, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's one thing that people you know, when

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Speaker 4: Thousand and nine to two thousand.

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Speaker 3: And thirteen, and that was really when the Steelers had

433
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,120
Speaker 3: some salary cap issues back in that range of eight.

434
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 4: Of course, were a good football team. They were, you know,

435
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 4: winning super bowls.

436
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 3: They had a roster that you know, guys wanted to

437
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 3: be paid, uh you know, you know what they were

438
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 3: worth for teams that you know, were won super bowls.

439
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 3: And that two thousand and nine season, it was one

440
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty three million the twenty ten season was uncapped,

441
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 3: but then you say they had the stagnation there in

442
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 3: twenty eleven it was one hundred and twenty so it

443
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 3: actually went down the only time it stayed out of

444
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 3: twelve side of COVID when it went down, and that's

445
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 3: when the Steelers had to make some difficult decisions releasing

446
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 3: James Harrison and things of that nature that you know,

447
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 3: just really made it difficult on them, you know, for

448
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 3: part of that next decade.

449
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:22,959
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's gone up.

450
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you think about just a few years ago

451
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 3: after coming out of that COVID situation, when it was

452
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty two and a half million in

453
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, and now we're one hundred million dollars

454
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 3: more than that four years later.

455
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 1: Now you look at just ten years ago in twenty

456
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: and fifteen, it's nearly doubled. Twenty fifteen it was one

457
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: hundred and forty three million, and now it's a two

458
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: seventy nine. That's almost twice as much in that ten

459
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: year period. And you know, the the inflation is here

460
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL not surprising, and you just wonder if

461
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, if it creates some type of unfair

462
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: advantage for some teams as opposed to others, maybe in

463
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: smaller markets, I don't know. I don't I know that

464
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: will be the case.

465
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 3: They're all making the money, you know, off the TV revenue, right,

466
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 3: that's share they're streaming. You know, people ask me, why

467
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 3: are they going on the streaming outlets? This is why,

468
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 3: because they're able to increase the salary cap by doing so.

469
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: Why are they playing international games?

470
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 2: This is why.

471
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 3: You know, you're trying to grow the pot, and they've

472
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 3: done so, and they're obviously I get In twenty and

473
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: twenty two the cap was two hundred and eight million dollars.

474
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 4: Three years later it's two seventy nine.

475
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: I know.

476
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's it's an amazing jump. But

477
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: you used to go up about ten million dollars a y, right, Yeah,

478
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: for the most parts, it's gone up twenty or thirty

479
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 3: million dollars.

480
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it would go up ten or twelve million. Typically.

481
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: You go back and I think you're probably looking at

482
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: the same chart I have. But you know, two thousand

483
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: to two thousand and one was five million. Following two

484
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: years four four million following two years, five million, and

485
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: following two years seven million and seven million, seven million,

486
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, so and then boom, uh thirty thirty one

487
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: and twenty four here in the last and twenty six

488
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: the year before that. So yeah, so twenty six, twenty

489
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: four and and uh uh thirty one. Due to quick math,

490
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: that's about twenty eight million average. It's gone up every

491
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: year in the last three the last four years. Yeah,

492
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: last three years, four years. Yet you know, that's that's

493
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: all part of this.

494
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: And in the meantime, you know, with the with the

495
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 3: way that the rookie contracts are now drawn up. You know,

496
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 3: when you think about the salary casts back in like

497
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: the early two thousands, you had guys who were the

498
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 3: number number one overall pick at that point, or if

499
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: they were a top ten pick, they were making more

500
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: money than veteran players in the league. And that has

501
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: now changed, you know, with the rookie slotting into the

502
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 3: of the money and all that stuff that that that

503
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 3: has changed dramatically here, so the the star players are

504
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 3: getting paid and commensurate with what they are worth.

505
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: Now in the years that I've been coming to the combine,

506
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 1: now I grant you we have more space here year

507
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: now the way it's set up, But in all the

508
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: years I've been coming, the two biggest crowds that I

509
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: have seen around for a player a scrum was for

510
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck and Mantiteo Mantiito. I think having the biggest

511
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter had quite the crowd there he had. He

512
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: had a P and C daytime crowd here today surrounding

513
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: him as a guy. You know, is it going to

514
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: be a corner is it going to be a wide receiver?

515
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: But the biggest crowd yet at the combine for Travis Hunter?

516
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think a large part of it is

517
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: because he is a player. You know, what's he going

518
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: to do? Is he going to play wide receiver? Is

519
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 3: he going to play cornerback? Is he going to do both?

520
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: And that's going to be.

521
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: The interesting thing in terms of this part of it

522
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 3: when we start talking about salary caps and stuff things

523
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 3: of that nature, because whatever team drafts him is going

524
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: to have a fifty year option on him after his

525
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 3: third season. What where does he get sloughted that? Does

526
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: he get slaughtered as fift year option for a cornerback?

527
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: Does he gets slotted a fift year option for a

528
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 3: wide receiver? Because it makes a difference. Yeah, just like

529
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: it does if he's been to Pro Bowls and things

530
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 3: of that nature, and you know his agent, you know,

531
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 3: wherever he goes this year, he's going to look at

532
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: that rookie salary cap and going, you're you're getting two

533
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 3: players here.

534
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: You know he should he should make more.

535
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: Dan who was the player I think a Steeler player

536
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: wanted to be slotted, but.

537
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: Dupree was that who was He was considered an outside

538
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 3: linebacker and defensive linemen were paid more, and his agent

539
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: argued that he plays more of a defensive fens.

540
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because they yeah so but now but but

541
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: edge rushers make more than defensive lineman now though, but

542
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: they weren't categorized defensive edge rushers then they were categorized.

543
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 2: That's kind of outside linebackers.

544
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: The fifty year option thing, since with the new content

545
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: with the new CBA a couple of years ago, is

546
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 3: interesting with the way that they do this now. You know,

547
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: I know people look at the uh, well, if you

548
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: didn't pick up a fifty year option, you must not

549
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: like the player. Well, it's it's just it's not that

550
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 3: simple anymore. You know, if the player has made Pro

551
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: Bowls and if he, you know, has some playtime options

552
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: and things of that nature, it just changes the value

553
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: of what he is worth. So I'm just looking here.

554
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: I sent that to UH. But for example, all your

555
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: offensive linemen are considered, they get the the the average

556
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 3: salary of the if you've if you've made a prob

557
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: or made multiple Pro Bowls, you get the average salary

558
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: for the for all offensive linemen UH on the franchise tag.

559
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 3: So for example, this year, the Ravens are going to

560
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: have to pick up the fifty year option on Tyler Linderbaum.

561
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 4: It's gonna be twenty five million dollars.

562
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 3: They also have Kyle Hamilton because they were both first

563
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 3: round draft picks in the same year. They have to

564
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: pick up a fifth fifty year option on Kyle Hamilton

565
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: as well, who's been to multiple Pro Bowls.

566
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 4: That's nineteen million dollars.

567
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: They gotta dole up forty four million dollars for those

568
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 3: two players, fully guaranteed by picking up those.

569
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: Fifty And those guys get more though, because of because

570
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: they've attained Pro Bowls and things like that. If they didn't,

571
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: then obviously their money there as large.

572
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: The way it works out, you have a basic one.

573
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: You have the playtime one, which if you've been a starter,

574
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: if you I think if you started more than fifty

575
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: percent of the snaps or plays over the first three

576
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 3: years of your contract, and you get that one. If

577
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: you've made one Pro Bowl, you get another fifty year

578
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: option tender. And if you've made multiple, then you get

579
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: the highest level.

580
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: And that's kind of where Nause was. Nause was in

581
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 1: it pro part. He had made a Pro Yeah, so

582
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: he his was going to be six million, But if

583
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: you made multiple I think it was up to like

584
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: eleven or thirteen.

585
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 4: Now you're getting the franchise right value.

586
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: Right, right, exactly, yeah, exactly, that's what right, That's what

587
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

588
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So for example, this year, you're looking at a

589
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 3: guy like Aiden Hutchinson, for example, Well, he's made he's

590
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 3: made a Pro Bowl, so his fifth year option will

591
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: be twenty one point or twenty three point two million dollars.

592
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 4: Tray Von Walker, who was the number.

593
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: One overall pick in that draft, even though they play

594
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: the same position, his fifty year option, he just gets

595
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: the playtime option. It's sixteen point four million. I mean,

596
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: there's a seven million dollar difference there. It's that significant

597
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner, who is the fourth overall pick at cornerback

598
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: in that same draft, he gets twenty point nine million dollars,

599
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 3: whereas Derek Stingley, who's made one Pro Bowl, who has

600
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 3: picked one spot ahead of him, gets seventeen point six. It's,

601
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: you know, it's a lot of money to dole out

602
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: for these guys.

603
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 4: Whereas it used to.

604
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: Be they did this with the top ten picks under

605
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: the old system, and then everybody else after that was

606
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: just kind of slotted in at a certain amount. It

607
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: didn't matter what position you played, it it was tied

608
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: into where you were drafted at.

609
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 4: So for example, when the Steelers picked up TJ.

610
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 3: Watts fifty year option, it wasn't anywhere near It was

611
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: much less than the guy who was drafted fourteenth in

612
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: that draft.

613
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: And I can't I don't even know who that was,

614
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: but he wasn't t J.

615
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: Watt. Now, if if they Steelers would have had to

616
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: do that with t J. Watt, TJ.

617
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,239
Speaker 3: Watt would have been making twenty five million dollars on

618
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: his fifty year option.

619
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: Where I don't know if I've asked you this or

620
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: where you feel of what you've heard. Where do you think,

621
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: and I know it depends who drafts him. Where do

622
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: you think Travis Hunter is going to play? Where should he?

623
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: Where do you think he should play?

624
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: I would play him at cornerback. I think it's the

625
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: more difficult position in terms of finding it finding those

626
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: kind of players, right. I mean, when we're talking about

627
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: the best cornerbacks in the league, you know, you could

628
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: you could probably count on one hand those guys. When

629
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: we're talking about wide receivers, you know you could. You

630
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: could play him some at wide receiver. You know, maybe

631
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: you give him fifteen snaps a game at wide receiver.

632
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: But if he's going to play wide receiver full time,

633
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: then he's going to have to it's a lot more detailed.

634
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 2: Uh.

635
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: You know, if it's corner if he's going to play cornerback,

636
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: and you say you got him, you're you're you're our

637
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: best man cover guy, that's what you do.

638
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 4: If he's going to play a wide receiver, he's got.

639
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 3: To be in that meeting room all the time, you know,

640
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: on a full time basis, and gonna have to know

641
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: all the you know, the checks and everything. I just

642
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: think that makes more sense for him to do it

643
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: that way. Yeah, and you know at corner. Look, I

644
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: know you can line him at wide receiver every play,

645
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: but you can line in a corner. He could be

646
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: on the field every play if you desire, right, Uh,

647
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: And he has more chance to be impactful there. That

648
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: being said, it's hard to ignore his wide receiver skills

649
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: and big playability, the ability to change a game not Look,

650
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: I know you could do that at corner too, but

651
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: you can also if you're the opposing team stay away

652
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: from him, you know what I mean, and take him

653
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: out of the game, which that self is a value.

654
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: Sure it is, Sure it is, because now you're negating

655
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: your own top receiver, right.

656
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I.

657
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: Would play him at cornerback.

658
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: I think he's a better corner prospect than he is

659
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: a wide receiver prospect.

660
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: But that's that's just me.

661
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: I mean, even even when Dion did it, it was

662
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: really only one year where he was really impactful where

663
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: he had like, I think, forty plus catches the one

664
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: season when he when he was playing wide receiver. Outside

665
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: of that, he never really had more than ten catches

666
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: in the seasons. It's all nice to talk about, but

667
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: asking this this young man as a rookie to go

668
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: out there and play. You know, your average NFL game

669
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: has one hundred and twenty offensive and defensive snaps. To

670
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: have him go out there and play one hundred and

671
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: twenty snaps over the course of a seventeen week season,

672
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: you know, he wasn't doing that at Colorado. He was

673
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: playing both ways. But they're playing eleven games or twelve games.

674
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: Right, and you know, and there's nothing to prevent him

675
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: from using them. You know, five six plays as a

676
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 1: special package. No, no different than say you put Taysom

677
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: Hill in a game for example. Absolutely, you know, you

678
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: put them three four wide receiver sets. What are they

679
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: going to do if you haven't if you have a

680
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: top receiver not going to sit there and put all

681
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: their focus on Travis Hunter. It just makes the creates

682
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: a problem for the defense and the other the other

683
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: part of the equation.

684
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: And it's you know, it's one of the reasons why

685
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: you know, when Rob Woodson was pressent with pushing Bill

686
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: Cower to be you know, play offense.

687
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: What happens if he gets hurt? Yeah, right, that's right.

688
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: He's primary, he's your number one cover cornerback. If he

689
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: gets hurt while he's out there doing something gimmicky like

690
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: that that affects more than just your offense. Now you've

691
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: taken your best corner off the field on deeps.

692
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: Why they don't let them return punts and kicks once

693
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: they've established themselves. I know that could be a little

694
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: bit more problematic in terms of maybe getting hurt, but

695
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: it's the same reason we want to limit where how

696
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: many times we put them out there.

697
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: Why we don't have to.

698
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: Be able to put you out there on that unless somebody's,

699
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: you know, the forty eighth player on their roster take

700
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: out the number one player on our roster.

701
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: Max Stark's had to step away, but he will be

702
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: joining us. Uh, well, I guess shortly, but he'll be

703
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: back with you and maxis shortly, that's right, and Matt

704
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: Williamson at two o'clock, that's when I depart, but we're

705
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: going to come back with at least my final segment

706
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: right after this. The players go on the field abut

707
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: three o'clock. Right, yeah, today at Lucas Oil stad and

708
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: we're across the street at the Indiana Convention Center right

709
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: next door. Basically you could take the tonnel underneath, except

710
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: then always let us over on the Fieldale unfortunately. So

711
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: we'll be back with a little bit more right after

712
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: this on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steeler Nation Radio. Yeah,

713
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: welcome back to our coverage of the NFL Combine here

714
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. Jerry lack Dale Lawley and Max Starks with you.

715
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: Although Max has had to step away, he will be

716
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: back with Dale at the top of the hour along

717
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: with Matt Williamson, and they will take you right up

718
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: until five pm. The players go on the field for

719
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: begin testing and their drills today at three pm. Saw

720
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Mark Gorshak earlier. He's going to start the forty times

721
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: again as he has every year I think for the

722
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: last sixty seven years, if I'm not mistaken, No, exactly,

723
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: but it's been in a long time. It's been a

724
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: tradition and he former Steeler scout. He will be doing

725
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: it again today. Beginning today, they start running the forties today.

726
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: They'll do that'll be tonight. Yeah, yeah, right, exactly, yeah, exactly.

727
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: So. Yeah.

728
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: I ran into a Mark down in the at the

729
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl down in Mobile. He does scouting for them

730
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: now as well to help identify the players.

731
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 4: That they want to bring in. You know, for that game.

732
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: So he still has a hand in all this, and

733
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: they've done a really good job in mobile of identifying

734
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: some of those top prospects and getting them to come

735
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 3: to that game.

736
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: It was a really talented group down there this year. Uh.

737
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about Travis Hunter as you know,

738
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: cornerback or an he wide receiver. You know, the wide

739
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: receivers of course, will be I would imagine will be

740
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: of great interest to the Steelers. I don't expect one

741
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: in Round one, but I'm not certain again, depending on

742
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: what they do in free agency. I expect one in

743
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: the first two days. Yeah, uh, maybe in the second round.

744
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of wide receivers available with then. There

745
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: seems to be the case every year, but as we

746
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: were pointing up early, there's not that there's not that

747
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: dominant one, the clear cut number one. Everybody's gonna want

748
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: this guy, but there's a lot of good ones.

749
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and obviously that could change as well. I mean

750
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 3: I can remember when Justin Jefferson did come out. You know,

751
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 3: the question on him was, well, is he just a slot?

752
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: And then he went, oh, yeah, he's a slot. He

753
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: came out here and ran a four to four and everybody's, oh,

754
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: he might be able to play outside, and as it

755
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 3: turned out, he can. He can do pretty much everything.

756
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: But there are gonna be some guys in that round two,

757
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: round three area that are are very interesting players.

758
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: You know.

759
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 3: I like Jack pet Betch out of TCU, big physical

760
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 3: outside wide receiver. Jayden Higgins out of Iowa State's another

761
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 3: one that's you know, six three and two hundred pounds.

762
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 3: You know, you look at Erica I'm sorry, Elka Yemanor

763
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: out of Stanford, another six foot two, two and ten

764
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 3: pound wide receiver who got the best of Travis.

765
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 4: Hunter two years ago and they played.

766
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: He's he's from Stanford, had a monster gang twelve catches

767
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: in that game against Colorado. So there's there's gonna be

768
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: guys there that can help the Steelers, you know, and

769
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: you know, you hope that they continue their success of

770
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 3: identifying some of those type of players.

771
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: You know, you get Juju Smith Schuster.

772
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: In the second round, you got George Pickens in the

773
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: second round, you got Deontay Johnson in the third round.

774
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: You know, identifying those guys that can come in and

775
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: help right away and be a part of this. And

776
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 3: I think what the Steelers are going to be looking

777
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: for because you know Roman Wilson, you know Calvin Austin

778
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 3: are going to be on this roster.

779
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: You need another.

780
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: Bigger bodied guy in addition to George Pickens.

781
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: Well, and that's what I wanted to ask you. You look,

782
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: you mentioned Juju Smith, Schuster, Chase Claypool, George Pickens. A

783
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: bigger guys, Calvin Austin, Roman Wilson, you know guys, especially

784
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: Roman Wilson, guys who at least they're they're they're especially

785
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: there forte if you will, is the ability to get open.

786
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: So you want to make sure. But Deontay Johnson was

787
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: that kind of guy. But now he's gone and they,

788
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: let's face it, regards or whatever he was in the

789
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: large room, you miss him.

790
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: Those guys you just talked about. Johnson was a third

791
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: round pick. Wilson was a third round pick. Deontay Johnson, Uh,

792
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Calvin Austin was a fourth fourth round pick.

793
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: That's right.

794
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 4: So those smaller type receivers you can get a little

795
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 4: bit later.

796
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: That's right.

797
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: Your body guys that try to take a little bit

798
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 3: earlier in the second round.

799
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: Right, And so then you say, okay, well, what what

800
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: is missing from from this offense. And to me, it

801
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: was always the it's the inability of guys to get

802
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: open on a consistent basis. And then so to me,

803
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's the uh. I think that's uh,

804
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, a big priority for them, certainly in need.

805
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I like Agbuka from Ohio State because

806
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: he does that very well as well. Yeah, but he's

807
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: not No, I know he's not. I know he's not.

808
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna go early.

809
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: The interesting thing is I went back earlier this week

810
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: and looked at where Troy Filotanu and Wilson would rank

811
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: among this year's class based on their grading that they do,

812
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: the grading system that they on NFL dot Com, that

813
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 3: the Lancy Airline does, and he does a great job

814
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: with that and follow Toano would be the top ranked

815
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 3: offensive lineman in this draft.

816
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: Really, no kidding, better Gret.

817
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: Than anybody else. Roman Wilson will be a top ten

818
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: wide receiver.

819
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: Where was he last year? Not top ten?

820
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: He was, Yeah, he was like fifteen, somewhere between fifteen

821
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: and twenty. In this draft, he had a six three

822
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 3: to oh grade that would put him right behind Betch

823
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 3: and right ahead of Jalen Royals out of Utah State,

824
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: but it would have him into top ten in terms

825
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 3: of the grading system at the NFL dot com uses

826
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: on these guys.

827
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, interesting, Yeah, I would expect, you know, the

828
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: Steelers to do something in free agency. It doesn't mean

829
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: there's a free agent wide receiver. Obviously T Higgins would

830
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: be the prime catch. I just don't expect going to happen,

831
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: that's right. I don't expect the Bengals to let him go.

832
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: I really don't.

833
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 3: There's some other guys and even guys that aren't available yet,

834
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: you know, Deebo Samuels. If the forty nine Ers can't

835
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: trade him, they're probably gonna cut him. I like Christian

836
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 3: Kirk out of Jacksonville, I think, and the Steelers almost

837
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: had a deal.

838
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: To me.

839
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: I think that's a very real possibility, just making it

840
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: because he's not a free agent, right right, they're gonna

841
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: they're making a deal, right right, See that probably.

842
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 3: Gonna have to cut him, or they're gonna they're gonna

843
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: come back to this A you liked him last year,

844
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna make a trade for him.

845
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: Are you still interested?

846
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: The other guy? Too, Chris Godwin's.

847
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: Chris Goblin would be Yeah, would be a major addition.

848
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: The thing that that interests me though, I want to

849
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: play in the comp game next year.

850
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: So these guys that are going to be.

851
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: Released in the next week or so here interest me

852
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: more than maybe the free agents.

853
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: The guys who are true free agents because.

854
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: They don't hurt your comp pick formula, right, And the

855
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 3: Steelers are gonna, you know, if they lose Naugy, if

856
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 3: they lose Dan Moore, if they lose James Daniels, one

857
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 3: of the quarterback signs elsewhere, and you don't go out

858
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: and make a bunch of true free agent signings, you're

859
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 3: gonna get a fourth round pick, an additional fourth round

860
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: pick next.

861
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 4: Year, maybe a third probably, yeah, for some of these guys.

862
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 4: And that interests me.

863
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: If I'm in the mark for a quarterback next year

864
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: and that helps me maybe trade up to get that guy.

865
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: We're talking about wide receiver, Yeah, yeah, exactly, And I think, yeah,

866
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: you you want to look at that because, like you said,

867
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: you want the value. And I'm with you, because you know,

868
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know about that comp game.

869
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up. Because if I can

870
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: get into the third round to get get the two

871
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: extra picks next year, there's a huge those and it's

872
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: and it's also it's chips on the table right if

873
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 2: I need to make a move next year, because there's

874
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: something I really.

875
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: Love because those things are tradable.

876
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, they are tradable. They are tradable pieces in there,

877
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: and you still don't touch your original pieces potentially, So

878
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: it's like it's like it's like the casino saying, you

879
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: know what, we appreciate you gambling with us. So here

880
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: you go, here's an extra thousand and chips. You know

881
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Paying now you're literally playing with house money.

882
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 2: And and by the way, you still get a buffet

883
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: ticket and maybe a sweet upgrade. You know. So I'm

884
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: with you on that. I think a lot of people

885
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: don't think about those type of terms. But it's like, yeah,

886
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: if you just continuely just go in the draft and

887
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 2: and you know, you kind of lose that value and

888
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: it's like, man, this is good. You know, you hate

889
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: to say you see departures, but sometimes you know the

890
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: departures are actually you know, additioned by subtraction, and those.

891
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 4: Duty of trading late draft picks for other teams players.

892
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 3: You don't have to pay any of the signing bonus.

893
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: All they count against your salary cap is their base salary. Yeah,

894
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 3: and you know you can renegotiate.

895
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: With that, absolutely, that's the whole deal.

896
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 3: Things like that, But you're not there on the hook

897
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 3: for the base or for everything, all the old bonus

898
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: money and everything. All he costs you is that base contract.

899
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: And a lot of times that base contract is very nice.

900
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: Hey.

901
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: And even when they were making the deal for or

902
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: talking about getting Brandon Ayuk, same thing with Christian Kirk,

903
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: there was a deal in place that those guys were

904
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: aware of. This is what it's going to be when

905
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: you get traded. It's going to be less than what

906
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: it is or however it's structured, but it's going to

907
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: be more you know, palatable for the Steelers. But yeah,

908
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: when they make the trade, they're not just taking the

909
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: trade and then taking that base salary and then a

910
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: roster bone.

911
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: This is with it.

912
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: I know this signing bonus doesn't count, So I mean,

913
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: that's obviously what they do, and they renegotiate the deal

914
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: and make it more friendly for him.

915
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: Well, and I think you know, and you know the

916
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: news yesterday, right, Jaira Alexander. That's what makes him so

917
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: attractive because his base salary is low, he's gotten a

918
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: lot of that, you know, that bonus money out of

919
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: the way that we don't have to deal with. So

920
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: that's why it's like, okay, now maybe you do take it.

921
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: Take a look at two.

922
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 3: Years at thirty three million dollars, not so bad.

923
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: Not the worst thing in the world. And like you said,

924
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: once you get him, yet, you can put those voidable

925
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 2: years on the end or renegotiate you know, everything else.

926
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, and ye're onto it. And here's here's a little

927
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 4: signing bonus for you.

928
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, Tony Grocy was with us. Yeah, he wasn't

929
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: on with us right when Tony, Yes, he was talking

930
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: about the voidable years and what's remaining what they have

931
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: with with Deshaun Watson. And he said in two years, right,

932
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be ninety million dollars that they got to pay.

933
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna come due in two more years.

934
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: Again, like yeah, right, Jesus, let's just go ahead and

935
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: say worst con tracked in the NFL history, Can we

936
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: just can we just put.

937
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: The worst contract in NFL the worst trade in NFL

938
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: history because they traded all not just the first round picks.

939
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they traded away second round picks.

940
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: When Tony was on with us, He's like, we didn't

941
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: have to I didn't have to do a mock draft

942
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: the last three years because we have a first round pick. Yeah,

943
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: and in a lot of those years we have a

944
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: second round pick. You have nobody in between. There's no

945
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: young talent on that roster, young cheap talent on that

946
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 3: roster because of Deshaun Watson.

947
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that trade and you lost a lot of key

948
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: contributor positions with those Yeah. And because that's where your

949
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: key contributors come in. They come in those second rounds,

950
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 2: and if your later first round picks, that's the value.

951
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: And that's how you continually stack chips. You know, we

952
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: talk about building the house of cards, right, that's how

953
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: you build a house of cards. But like you said,

954
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: if you have you have you have no first rounders

955
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 2: and you have no second rounders, you don't have the

956
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: first two levels of the house. So now you're now

957
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: you're building the TP.

958
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 4: You know, you got a bunch of guys up here

959
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 4: making a bunch of money.

960
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that are older.

961
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: And then you've got a bunch of guys down here

962
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 3: are a rookie's fourth round pick and later who maybe

963
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: they hit, maybe they're good, maybe they're not, but.

964
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: All intents and purposes, they lasted long enough for you

965
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 2: to draft them. They're probably not. All the good ones

966
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: were sucked up, and especially when we look at last

967
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: year's draft, right, I mean, the amount of talent that

968
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: was in those top two rounds, and especially for us,

969
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: they played for us, Our guys were contributed to you know.

970
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: So I'm like, man, I mean, just look at what

971
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 2: a Zach Fraser does for you. Now, Troy fault Town

972
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: obviously gets injured, but the potential was there and he

973
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: and he was going to start. He was going to start,

974
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 2: you know, until he takes the injury. So yeah, man,

975
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: I mean, and listen, I'm not over here to crime

976
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: a river for Cleveland at any at any point. But

977
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: that's when you see a Joe Potonio considering retirement. You

978
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: get a letter from Miles Garrett on social media Monday

979
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: morning of Super Bowl week saying I want to trade

980
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: and I want to chase the ring. That's what happens

981
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: when you don't build the infrastructure underneath it. You know.

982
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: You look, you lose Roman Wilson last year too. Yeah,

983
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: you go out. So now the Steelers going to free agency,

984
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: say they make some type of deal, which I expect

985
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: them to, uh for wide receiver, and you still draft

986
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: one probably before the end of day.

987
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: Two, would imagine.

988
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you come in and you you know, you

989
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: have three new guys potentially to wrap around you excuse

990
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: me with George Pickens. All of a sudden, that room

991
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: done looks so bad now it doesn't.

992
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about the quarterback room being cleared

993
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: out and looking a lot different, you know, from where

994
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: the end of the seasons at the beginning of the

995
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 2: following season. I think that fresh face will actually help him.

996
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: I mean, you got a Calvin Austin already in there,

997
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: that's right, and we don't know. I mean, Robert Wilson

998
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: is a rookie for all intents and purposes, exactly right,

999
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So you're essentially coming in

1000
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, five hole snaps, you know, done in

1001
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: the preseason either yeah right, yeah, yeah, first day of

1002
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 2: pads got hurt, right, Yeah, he did. First day of pads.

1003
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: I mean it was like Calvin Austin over all over.

1004
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, You kind of like, hey,

1005
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: runs and trading whatever and got in for a game

1006
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: and that really.

1007
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: You have to treat that situation kind of like you

1008
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: did with sant Quiz Golson, similar situation where he got

1009
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: hurt early in camp his rookie year, and you know,

1010
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: it just became something that happened every year with him,

1011
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: and well he was a boss.

1012
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was or not. He couldn't

1013
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: stay healthy, he didn't play long enough. He wasn't on

1014
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: the field healthy enough to.

1015
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, the injuries were the injury.

1016
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: And I love people say that was a horrible pick.

1017
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: Well he can't help. If the guy got hurt, he

1018
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: might have been a really good player.

1019
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. No, but you can get all of these

1020
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: measurables here. You can go get the e KG, the

1021
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: bone density test, the way whatever, all this stuff. You

1022
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: can't predict injuries. And once again I go back to

1023
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: this is a contact sport. There's a gladiatorial sport, right,

1024
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 2: You're going to take contact and you don't know if

1025
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: it's hit one or hit ten thousand. That's gonna do it. Yea,

1026
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: that's the that's the crapshoot of this.

1027
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: And the draft. The draft in itself is an inexact science.

1028
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: So it's so hard to predict him. Now, you throw

1029
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: an injury on top of it, and who you're supposed

1030
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: to blame the team, the GM, the coach.

1031
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: And then here's the thing. If he doesn't have any

1032
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: injury history, how do you how are you to believe

1033
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: any differently? That's the other thing, Like, you can go

1034
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: through all this, he can be as healthy as a

1035
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: whistle and then boom. All it takes is the right

1036
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: hit at the right time, at the right spot to

1037
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: make everything go awry. So it's but that's the nature

1038
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: of this game. That's why we have a draft every year.

1039
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: If we if we didn't have injuries, and we didn't

1040
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: have other things that factors take in, we wouldn't have

1041
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: this draft. We wouldn't be sitting there right now, that's right.

1042
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I enjoyed three days with you.

1043
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: Hey I'm done now though.

1044
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you you're you're out of here. He's

1045
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, no.

1046
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: Not gonna do some other work. I'm just off the radio.

1047
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: You're off the radio. Center tonight tomorrow right down the highway.

1048
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 2: Hey, that'll be nice. I'll be on the airplane tomorrow.

1049
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say there you go. Except for I

1050
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: gotta do radio.

1051
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say you got it. And you've got

1052
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: three more hours along with Dale and Matt Williams, and

1053
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: they are coming up next. I always enjoy being with

1054
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: you boys. You stay tuned for more of our continuing

1055
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: radio coverage from the NFL Combine in Indianapolis right here

1056
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steeler Nation Radio.