1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:21,475 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Today, 2 00:00:21,555 --> 00:00:25,035 Speaker 1: we begin to find out if we still have a constitution, 3 00:00:25,755 --> 00:00:29,595 Speaker 1: because the Constitution, in the third clause of the fourteenth Amendment, says, 4 00:00:30,195 --> 00:00:33,555 Speaker 1: no person shall be a senator or representative in Congress, 5 00:00:33,915 --> 00:00:37,475 Speaker 1: or elector or hold any office civil or military, who, 6 00:00:37,555 --> 00:00:40,195 Speaker 1: having previously taken an oath as a member of Congress 7 00:00:40,275 --> 00:00:42,875 Speaker 1: or as an officer of the United States to support 8 00:00:42,915 --> 00:00:47,355 Speaker 1: the Constitution, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against 9 00:00:47,395 --> 00:00:50,875 Speaker 1: the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. 10 00:00:51,915 --> 00:00:53,995 Speaker 1: It does not say that that person has to be 11 00:00:54,115 --> 00:00:58,395 Speaker 1: convicted of insurrection or rebellion. It does not say that 12 00:00:58,395 --> 00:01:00,635 Speaker 1: that person has to be disqualified from the ballot by 13 00:01:00,635 --> 00:01:05,395 Speaker 1: a judge or a legislature, or a jury or a plebiscite. 14 00:01:06,315 --> 00:01:08,595 Speaker 1: It does not say that the president is not an 15 00:01:08,595 --> 00:01:10,915 Speaker 1: officer of the United States, or that a president is 16 00:01:10,995 --> 00:01:15,155 Speaker 1: otherwise exempt. It does not say that the disqualification of 17 00:01:15,195 --> 00:01:19,235 Speaker 1: an insurrectionist from being president is any different than is 18 00:01:19,555 --> 00:01:22,915 Speaker 1: the disqualification of a foreign citizen from being president, nor 19 00:01:22,915 --> 00:01:25,595 Speaker 1: any different than is the disqualification of a fourteen year 20 00:01:25,595 --> 00:01:29,235 Speaker 1: old from being president. That all of them are self executing. 21 00:01:30,315 --> 00:01:33,035 Speaker 1: It does not say that this clause of the Constitution 22 00:01:33,755 --> 00:01:38,515 Speaker 1: may only be enforced if all the voters agree. It 23 00:01:38,555 --> 00:01:40,635 Speaker 1: does not say that this clause of the Constitution can 24 00:01:40,675 --> 00:01:45,835 Speaker 1: only be enforced after somebody ineligible has been elected. It 25 00:01:45,875 --> 00:01:48,075 Speaker 1: does not say that this clause of the Constitution can 26 00:01:48,075 --> 00:01:51,355 Speaker 1: only be enforced if the insurrectionists, cult and gangs and 27 00:01:51,395 --> 00:01:55,795 Speaker 1: militias and stochastic terrorists promised not to threaten civil war. 28 00:01:57,035 --> 00:01:59,555 Speaker 1: It does not say that this clause of the Constitution 29 00:01:59,915 --> 00:02:03,035 Speaker 1: can only be enforced if a majority of the justices 30 00:02:03,075 --> 00:02:06,395 Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court cannot make up a bullshit excuse 31 00:02:06,475 --> 00:02:11,955 Speaker 1: for not enforcing it. It does say that this clause 32 00:02:11,995 --> 00:02:17,835 Speaker 1: of the Constitution can be overridden if Congress removes the 33 00:02:17,875 --> 00:02:22,115 Speaker 1: disqualification of a given individual by a vote of two 34 00:02:22,155 --> 00:02:28,915 Speaker 1: thirds of the House and two thirds of the Senate. Period. Today, 35 00:02:28,955 --> 00:02:33,115 Speaker 1: we have just the start the oral arguments in Trump v. Anderson, 36 00:02:33,475 --> 00:02:36,315 Speaker 1: which might as well be called Trump VI. The Constitution, 37 00:02:36,475 --> 00:02:39,915 Speaker 1: because the Constitution is clear, and if there were any 38 00:02:39,915 --> 00:02:42,915 Speaker 1: remaining doubts that this is correct, they were erased on 39 00:02:42,955 --> 00:02:47,155 Speaker 1: Tuesday of this week, when some of Trump's loudest, horariest 40 00:02:47,275 --> 00:02:50,995 Speaker 1: clouds in Congress announced a bill to do exactly what 41 00:02:51,075 --> 00:02:53,795 Speaker 1: the third clause of the fourteenth Amendment says to do 42 00:02:54,075 --> 00:02:56,715 Speaker 1: when you don't like what it does, which is to 43 00:02:56,875 --> 00:03:00,475 Speaker 1: cure the infraction, which is to quote remove the disability 44 00:03:00,595 --> 00:03:04,155 Speaker 1: unquote by enacting a bill to declare that the individual 45 00:03:04,235 --> 00:03:08,235 Speaker 1: in effect did not engage in insurrection and is eligible. 46 00:03:09,715 --> 00:03:12,715 Speaker 1: And if that didn't erase any remaining doubts, then they 47 00:03:12,755 --> 00:03:15,875 Speaker 1: had been erased. When last month a legal columnist brought 48 00:03:15,915 --> 00:03:18,875 Speaker 1: up the fact that on July twenty second, twenty fourteen, 49 00:03:19,275 --> 00:03:23,555 Speaker 1: the dead judge that the Republicans and the Conservatives and 50 00:03:23,715 --> 00:03:27,915 Speaker 1: all the anti democracy forces of this nation most revere 51 00:03:28,795 --> 00:03:32,635 Speaker 1: that he wrote to two constitutional scholars to confirm that 52 00:03:32,675 --> 00:03:36,355 Speaker 1: they were wrong, that the President of the United States 53 00:03:36,595 --> 00:03:39,795 Speaker 1: is too an officer of the United States, and that yes, 54 00:03:39,955 --> 00:03:43,075 Speaker 1: that's what he wrote in an opinion concurring with a 55 00:03:43,195 --> 00:03:46,235 Speaker 1: ruling of his Supreme Court. And then yes, their life 56 00:03:46,275 --> 00:03:48,795 Speaker 1: work devoted to proving that the president is not an 57 00:03:48,835 --> 00:03:51,835 Speaker 1: officer was an utter waste, And that not only is 58 00:03:51,875 --> 00:03:54,075 Speaker 1: the president and officer of the United States, so is 59 00:03:54,075 --> 00:03:57,275 Speaker 1: the Vice president, so is the Speaker of the House, 60 00:03:57,675 --> 00:04:02,195 Speaker 1: so is the President pro temporary of the Senate. The 61 00:04:02,235 --> 00:04:04,835 Speaker 1: man who wrote the letter was named antonin Scalia, And 62 00:04:04,915 --> 00:04:07,675 Speaker 1: if that didn't erase any remaining doubts, then they had 63 00:04:07,675 --> 00:04:10,995 Speaker 1: been erased. When twenty five historians wrote an amicus brief 64 00:04:11,315 --> 00:04:15,555 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court about today's case, reviewing the real 65 00:04:15,835 --> 00:04:20,075 Speaker 1: time debate in the Senate about the third clause of 66 00:04:20,115 --> 00:04:23,395 Speaker 1: the Fourteenth Amendment, the good old what were the framers 67 00:04:23,475 --> 00:04:27,955 Speaker 1: thinking when they did this context that Supreme Court justices 68 00:04:27,995 --> 00:04:31,995 Speaker 1: holds so very dear a debate in which a Maryland 69 00:04:32,035 --> 00:04:36,915 Speaker 1: senator opposed to the amendment asked a main senator supporting 70 00:04:36,995 --> 00:04:40,915 Speaker 1: the amendment why the amendment omitted the president, and the 71 00:04:40,955 --> 00:04:44,555 Speaker 1: main senator said it didn't omit the president. The president 72 00:04:44,595 --> 00:04:47,675 Speaker 1: was covered by the phrase any office civil or military 73 00:04:47,755 --> 00:04:51,555 Speaker 1: under the United States, and the Maryland senator then said, oops, 74 00:04:51,955 --> 00:04:56,475 Speaker 1: my bad, and never mentioned the issue again. And if 75 00:04:56,515 --> 00:05:00,195 Speaker 1: that didn't erase any remaining doubts, then they had been erased. 76 00:05:00,195 --> 00:05:03,515 Speaker 1: One on January second of this year, one of defendant J. 77 00:05:03,715 --> 00:05:07,995 Speaker 1: Trump's lawyers not only said constitutional disqualifications were irrelevant and 78 00:05:08,075 --> 00:05:10,435 Speaker 1: if the people wanted to elect somebody who was constitutionally 79 00:05:10,475 --> 00:05:14,235 Speaker 1: ineligible to serve, they could quote whether they're guilty of 80 00:05:14,315 --> 00:05:19,115 Speaker 1: insurrection or not, which is one damn fool thing to say, 81 00:05:19,475 --> 00:05:24,315 Speaker 1: and two pretty close to a confession. There is no 82 00:05:24,435 --> 00:05:30,235 Speaker 1: case here. This is not Trump v Anderson, it's bullshit 83 00:05:30,355 --> 00:05:35,155 Speaker 1: v Anderson, it's nothing v Anderson. And I know the 84 00:05:35,195 --> 00:05:38,395 Speaker 1: words bullshit and nothing are already synonyms for Trump, but 85 00:05:38,435 --> 00:05:40,675 Speaker 1: they have never been more apt than they are today 86 00:05:41,075 --> 00:05:46,435 Speaker 1: as oral arguments begin, and saying that, I fully expect 87 00:05:46,435 --> 00:05:48,715 Speaker 1: that at least five of the justices will try to 88 00:05:48,715 --> 00:05:52,355 Speaker 1: find some way to pretend that Trump's argument is not 89 00:05:52,635 --> 00:05:58,435 Speaker 1: utter unconstitutional nonsense, the way their predecessors pretended that corporations 90 00:05:58,515 --> 00:06:03,515 Speaker 1: are people or separate but equal was dandy, or that 91 00:06:03,635 --> 00:06:07,075 Speaker 1: dread Scott would all be a slave, or that the 92 00:06:07,115 --> 00:06:10,355 Speaker 1: Second Amendment protects gun ownership, even though neither the word 93 00:06:10,395 --> 00:06:13,515 Speaker 1: own nor any synonym for it appears in the Second Amendment, 94 00:06:17,395 --> 00:06:21,035 Speaker 1: which is a damn shame because I like supreme courts 95 00:06:21,075 --> 00:06:25,315 Speaker 1: that decide vital, existential constitutional issues based on, you know, 96 00:06:26,315 --> 00:06:32,635 Speaker 1: the Constitution. Also, I don't know what we do if 97 00:06:32,635 --> 00:06:35,835 Speaker 1: we don't happen to have one of those Supreme courts 98 00:06:36,035 --> 00:06:37,515 Speaker 1: at the moment. I mean, I don't know what we 99 00:06:37,595 --> 00:06:41,795 Speaker 1: do about a Supreme Court that is overruling the Constitution 100 00:06:41,915 --> 00:06:46,715 Speaker 1: out of fear, fear of criticism, fear of politics, fear 101 00:06:46,715 --> 00:06:52,635 Speaker 1: of retribution, fear of strife, fear of Trump. I mean, 102 00:06:52,715 --> 00:06:56,075 Speaker 1: there is the argument that John Roberts Court had damn 103 00:06:56,075 --> 00:06:58,915 Speaker 1: well better decide for Anderson and against Trump, because hell, 104 00:06:59,195 --> 00:07:03,115 Speaker 1: the Trump people are already ignoring the Supreme Court rulings 105 00:07:03,155 --> 00:07:06,795 Speaker 1: and insisting that John Roberts and his crew can be nullified. 106 00:07:07,315 --> 00:07:09,755 Speaker 1: And if Roberts and Thomas and Alito and Gorsich and 107 00:07:09,835 --> 00:07:11,835 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh and Barrett are going to make a decision based 108 00:07:11,875 --> 00:07:15,195 Speaker 1: on everything except the Constitution, they probably should put one 109 00:07:15,235 --> 00:07:19,515 Speaker 1: forward favoring the other side in the political civil war 110 00:07:19,555 --> 00:07:23,995 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four US, because the other side is 111 00:07:24,035 --> 00:07:26,115 Speaker 1: already ready to put the court out of business. And 112 00:07:26,635 --> 00:07:32,275 Speaker 1: I don't know, arrest the justices, hi, Greg Abbott. So 113 00:07:32,435 --> 00:07:35,915 Speaker 1: it had probably help these justices if they did not 114 00:07:36,035 --> 00:07:38,555 Speaker 1: ruin such a way that we would be ready to 115 00:07:38,595 --> 00:07:40,555 Speaker 1: put the court out of business. And I don't know, 116 00:07:40,675 --> 00:07:44,315 Speaker 1: arrest the justices. I mean, you're gonna piss somebody off. 117 00:07:45,155 --> 00:07:48,195 Speaker 1: And if that's what you're worried about, piss off the 118 00:07:48,315 --> 00:07:53,635 Speaker 1: side that is already pissed at you. Nothing worse than 119 00:07:53,675 --> 00:07:56,355 Speaker 1: pissing off one side and then adroitly pissing off the 120 00:07:56,395 --> 00:08:00,035 Speaker 1: other as well. I think Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote 121 00:08:00,075 --> 00:08:03,755 Speaker 1: that in Shank right before that part about not shouting 122 00:08:03,795 --> 00:08:11,075 Speaker 1: fire in a crowd theater. But seriously, folks, a lot 123 00:08:11,115 --> 00:08:16,235 Speaker 1: of us invoked the fourteenth Amendment on the night of 124 00:08:16,315 --> 00:08:21,995 Speaker 1: January sixth, twenty twenty four, about Trump, about Marjorie Taylor Green, 125 00:08:22,075 --> 00:08:28,755 Speaker 1: about Josh Hawley, about a lot of others. But whether 126 00:08:28,875 --> 00:08:35,835 Speaker 1: this Supreme Court agrees with what is written in that 127 00:08:35,875 --> 00:08:43,435 Speaker 1: fourteenth Amendment, agrees with two men in particular, or commits 128 00:08:43,555 --> 00:08:47,235 Speaker 1: institutional suicide by overruling the Constitution. Those two men in 129 00:08:47,235 --> 00:08:53,435 Speaker 1: particular will be remembered for mainstreaming the argument that the 130 00:08:53,475 --> 00:08:57,915 Speaker 1: fourteenth Amendment is clear as a bell. One of the 131 00:08:57,955 --> 00:09:01,195 Speaker 1: men is Professor William Baud of the University of Chicago 132 00:09:01,915 --> 00:09:05,835 Speaker 1: and the Federalist Society. The other is Professor Michael Paulson 133 00:09:05,955 --> 00:09:09,915 Speaker 1: of the University of Saint Thomas, Minnesota and the Federalist Society. 134 00:09:10,635 --> 00:09:14,075 Speaker 1: And they were the two guys who last August revealed 135 00:09:14,075 --> 00:09:19,115 Speaker 1: the conclusions of their long constitutional scholarship about the fourteenth 136 00:09:19,155 --> 00:09:23,355 Speaker 1: Amendment to The New York Times, summarized by Professor Bode 137 00:09:23,395 --> 00:09:27,955 Speaker 1: when he said, quote Donald Trump cannot be president, cannot 138 00:09:28,035 --> 00:09:32,475 Speaker 1: run for president, cannot become president, cannot hold office. On 139 00:09:32,635 --> 00:09:36,155 Speaker 1: last two thirds of Congress decides to grant him amnesty 140 00:09:36,195 --> 00:09:42,915 Speaker 1: for his conduct. On January sixth, same Professor Will Bode, 141 00:09:42,915 --> 00:09:46,555 Speaker 1: who five months earlier had given the Antonin Scalia law 142 00:09:46,675 --> 00:09:52,995 Speaker 1: lecture at Harvard with Scalia's widow in the audience. While 143 00:09:53,075 --> 00:09:59,275 Speaker 1: such esteemed American lawyers and figures of jurisprudence as Trump's 144 00:09:59,475 --> 00:10:03,195 Speaker 1: parking lot lawyer and Trump's I never bothered to read 145 00:10:03,235 --> 00:10:06,555 Speaker 1: when I'm signing lawyer have jumped to the forefront of 146 00:10:06,595 --> 00:10:10,395 Speaker 1: the imaginary debate over the imaginary excuses that the fourteenth 147 00:10:10,435 --> 00:10:13,995 Speaker 1: Amendment has not already disqualified Trump and his only recourse 148 00:10:14,075 --> 00:10:16,235 Speaker 1: is to the House and Senate and getting a two 149 00:10:16,275 --> 00:10:19,275 Speaker 1: thirds vote in his favor. Oh right, the Republicans couldn't 150 00:10:19,275 --> 00:10:21,195 Speaker 1: even get a one vote vote in their favorite. Tuesday, 151 00:10:21,355 --> 00:10:26,275 Speaker 1: Professor Bode has not been everywhere, but he has been writing. 152 00:10:27,115 --> 00:10:30,595 Speaker 1: He and Professor Paulson have written eight follow up columns 153 00:10:30,915 --> 00:10:34,835 Speaker 1: at the website Reason and I suppose as a stalwart 154 00:10:34,915 --> 00:10:37,515 Speaker 1: of the Federalist Society. He is the last person I 155 00:10:37,555 --> 00:10:41,075 Speaker 1: ever expected to be quoting here, And I'm just as 156 00:10:41,115 --> 00:10:45,235 Speaker 1: certain that as a stalwart of the f you Federalist Society, 157 00:10:45,875 --> 00:10:48,635 Speaker 1: I'm the last person he ever expected to be quoting him. 158 00:10:48,675 --> 00:10:50,435 Speaker 1: And for all I know, he will sue me when 159 00:10:50,435 --> 00:10:54,275 Speaker 1: I do. But Goddamnity's right, and God damnity. He's also 160 00:10:54,275 --> 00:10:58,435 Speaker 1: a great writer. I encourage you to read all the essays. 161 00:10:58,475 --> 00:11:02,955 Speaker 1: They are not long, and he's tweeted links. The most 162 00:11:02,995 --> 00:11:06,995 Speaker 1: recent he and Professor put out at one thirty yesterday afternoon, 163 00:11:07,075 --> 00:11:09,715 Speaker 1: and it is titled the objection that it is too 164 00:11:09,835 --> 00:11:14,635 Speaker 1: soon to adjudicate Trump's qualifications. In other words, why throw 165 00:11:14,675 --> 00:11:17,555 Speaker 1: them off the primary ballot in a state or even 166 00:11:17,555 --> 00:11:20,555 Speaker 1: the actual election ballot? Now, I mean, the amendment says 167 00:11:20,595 --> 00:11:24,875 Speaker 1: he can't serve, not that you can't vote for him. Right, 168 00:11:25,035 --> 00:11:31,435 Speaker 1: deal with it later, No, to quote Professors Bode and Paulson. 169 00:11:32,035 --> 00:11:35,915 Speaker 1: According to the Colorado Supreme Court, the authoritative expositor of 170 00:11:35,955 --> 00:11:40,595 Speaker 1: Colorado law, Colorado's legislature has provided for the exclusion from 171 00:11:40,635 --> 00:11:45,155 Speaker 1: the presidential primary ballot of those who are not eligible 172 00:11:45,195 --> 00:11:49,435 Speaker 1: to serve as president. In other words, Section three makes 173 00:11:49,515 --> 00:11:52,755 Speaker 1: clear that Trump cannot hold the office of president, and 174 00:11:52,875 --> 00:11:56,315 Speaker 1: state law provides that those who cannot hold the office 175 00:11:56,355 --> 00:11:59,475 Speaker 1: of president should not be on the ballot as presidential candidates. 176 00:12:01,435 --> 00:12:05,515 Speaker 1: To continue quoting them again with respect. What seems to 177 00:12:05,515 --> 00:12:08,835 Speaker 1: have given this argument legs, in our view, is not 178 00:12:08,875 --> 00:12:13,635 Speaker 1: so much its dubious legal merits as its supposed political expediency. 179 00:12:13,755 --> 00:12:16,395 Speaker 1: The argument is seen to offer the court an off 180 00:12:16,515 --> 00:12:19,595 Speaker 1: ramp that would allow it to reverse the Colorado Supreme 181 00:12:19,675 --> 00:12:22,915 Speaker 1: Court ruling in favor of trumpet without accepting any of 182 00:12:22,915 --> 00:12:28,635 Speaker 1: his various unacceptable arguments about Section three. Somehow, this is 183 00:12:28,715 --> 00:12:32,435 Speaker 1: thought to be a politically preferable alternative to a straightforward 184 00:12:32,515 --> 00:12:37,515 Speaker 1: affirmance or reversal on the merits. Our specialty is law, 185 00:12:37,635 --> 00:12:41,075 Speaker 1: not politics, But the political merits of this approach are 186 00:12:41,195 --> 00:12:44,315 Speaker 1: hard for us to understand. If the Court rules that 187 00:12:44,355 --> 00:12:48,195 Speaker 1: it is too soon to adjudicate Trump's qualifications for the office, 188 00:12:48,195 --> 00:12:54,035 Speaker 1: he seeks, when will it be time in November, when 189 00:12:54,075 --> 00:12:58,195 Speaker 1: most presidential election votes are cast, in December, when the 190 00:12:58,195 --> 00:13:02,275 Speaker 1: electors meet in January, when the electoral votes are counted 191 00:13:02,275 --> 00:13:06,475 Speaker 1: in joint session on inauguration day. Each of these options 192 00:13:06,515 --> 00:13:10,915 Speaker 1: seems riskier and riskier, far from a convenient off ramp 193 00:13:11,275 --> 00:13:14,995 Speaker 1: or leisurely rest stop. It looks to us like a 194 00:13:15,075 --> 00:13:19,355 Speaker 1: formula for a chain reaction, massive multi car pile up. 195 00:13:19,675 --> 00:13:22,795 Speaker 1: It would seem safer to us to keep one's eyes 196 00:13:23,035 --> 00:13:30,515 Speaker 1: on the road. Unquote right. I could quote most of 197 00:13:30,555 --> 00:13:33,555 Speaker 1: that essay and the seven others in full, as I said, 198 00:13:33,955 --> 00:13:36,755 Speaker 1: go read them. But let me quote briefly from two 199 00:13:36,795 --> 00:13:41,195 Speaker 1: of the others. One about the idea that clearly to 200 00:13:41,275 --> 00:13:44,115 Speaker 1: be disqualified for insurrection you have to be charged with 201 00:13:44,195 --> 00:13:48,035 Speaker 1: insurrection and convicted of insurrection. Not so fast, Roger B. 202 00:13:48,235 --> 00:13:55,355 Speaker 1: Tawny Breath quote. The text of Section three nowhere contains 203 00:13:55,755 --> 00:14:00,115 Speaker 1: or references any requirement of criminal law conviction as a 204 00:14:00,235 --> 00:14:05,435 Speaker 1: prerequisite too, or condition of Section three's operation. To read 205 00:14:05,555 --> 00:14:10,075 Speaker 1: such a requirement into section three is to make up 206 00:14:10,195 --> 00:14:14,555 Speaker 1: something that is not there. Rather, as we put it 207 00:14:14,635 --> 00:14:19,595 Speaker 1: in our original article, section three's disqualification where triggered just 208 00:14:20,475 --> 00:14:25,875 Speaker 1: is it parallels the Constitution's other qualifications for office, such 209 00:14:25,915 --> 00:14:30,275 Speaker 1: as age, residency, and citizenship, none of which, of course 210 00:14:30,835 --> 00:14:37,395 Speaker 1: requires a criminal trial. Was I right about his writing? Too? 211 00:14:38,595 --> 00:14:43,235 Speaker 1: And lastly, there is the fear factor. The essay in 212 00:14:43,235 --> 00:14:47,395 Speaker 1: which Baud quotes another constitutional expert from Washington University in 213 00:14:47,435 --> 00:14:50,355 Speaker 1: Saint Louis, who gets off a pretty good joke at 214 00:14:50,355 --> 00:14:54,115 Speaker 1: the end. This essay was titled the Objection that enforcing 215 00:14:54,155 --> 00:14:59,795 Speaker 1: Section three would be too quote dangerous. It begins quote. 216 00:14:59,955 --> 00:15:02,195 Speaker 1: Of all the objections that have been offered to our 217 00:15:02,275 --> 00:15:05,915 Speaker 1: interpretation of Section three, one stands out as far and 218 00:15:05,955 --> 00:15:09,755 Speaker 1: away the most craven and insidious. It is the argument that, 219 00:15:09,955 --> 00:15:13,075 Speaker 1: regardless of what the Constitution says and how it is 220 00:15:13,155 --> 00:15:17,715 Speaker 1: correctly understood, we should not enforce Section three's exclusion of 221 00:15:17,755 --> 00:15:24,355 Speaker 1: insurrectionists from future office, because doing so might provoke substantial 222 00:15:24,475 --> 00:15:30,075 Speaker 1: political resistance and even violence by their supporters. To comply 223 00:15:30,235 --> 00:15:33,995 Speaker 1: with the Constitution in this respect, therefore, it is said, 224 00:15:34,515 --> 00:15:38,755 Speaker 1: is simply too dangerous. In short, it might tend to 225 00:15:38,795 --> 00:15:44,275 Speaker 1: produce further greater acts of insurrectionary violence or rebellion directed 226 00:15:44,275 --> 00:15:47,795 Speaker 1: against our constitutional order. We should decline to enforce the 227 00:15:47,835 --> 00:15:53,675 Speaker 1: Constitution's exclusion of insurrectionists from office, because that might only 228 00:15:54,035 --> 00:16:00,235 Speaker 1: make matters worse. Or, as Professor Daniel Epps put it 229 00:16:00,275 --> 00:16:04,315 Speaker 1: in jest, the Supreme Court shouldn't rule that Trump is 230 00:16:04,355 --> 00:16:07,435 Speaker 1: in l eligible for the presidency for engaging in insurrection 231 00:16:07,755 --> 00:16:12,755 Speaker 1: because if they do, Trump will definitely stage an insurrection. 232 00:16:14,995 --> 00:16:21,715 Speaker 1: Hot damn and that Justices of the Supreme Court is 233 00:16:21,795 --> 00:16:28,715 Speaker 1: the case for the defense in Trump v. Anderson. I 234 00:16:28,795 --> 00:16:43,435 Speaker 1: hope to God you listen to it. Also of interest here, 235 00:16:43,475 --> 00:16:47,755 Speaker 1: impeaching Secretary majorcas didn't work. It humiliated every Republican. It 236 00:16:47,835 --> 00:16:50,715 Speaker 1: imperiled yet another Speaker of the House. So the Republican 237 00:16:50,835 --> 00:16:55,315 Speaker 1: plan B is do it all over again next Tuesday. 238 00:16:56,595 --> 00:17:00,715 Speaker 1: And she's running for Secretary of State in Missouri. And 239 00:17:00,755 --> 00:17:04,195 Speaker 1: she's had it with all these book banners. She has 240 00:17:04,235 --> 00:17:12,075 Speaker 1: a better idea and book banning, book burning. That's next. 241 00:17:12,155 --> 00:17:18,635 Speaker 1: This is countdown. This is countdown with Keith Oberman, my 242 00:17:18,795 --> 00:17:30,915 Speaker 1: crazy friend. Postscripts to the news, some headlines, some updates, 243 00:17:30,955 --> 00:17:38,355 Speaker 1: some snark, some predictions. Dateline, Capitol Hill, Washington, No. DC. 244 00:17:41,235 --> 00:17:43,315 Speaker 1: Got to hand it to the Republicans. They will never 245 00:17:43,355 --> 00:17:46,435 Speaker 1: be kept up at night or shackled by the complications 246 00:17:46,475 --> 00:17:50,315 Speaker 1: of regret or doubt from having learned from their mistakes. 247 00:17:51,275 --> 00:17:55,395 Speaker 1: Mayorka's impeachment fails because the Speaker assumes the Democrat with 248 00:17:55,475 --> 00:17:58,715 Speaker 1: the surgery scheduled cannot possibly make it back to the floor, 249 00:17:58,875 --> 00:18:02,435 Speaker 1: so he knows he can screw the Democrats and especially 250 00:18:02,515 --> 00:18:06,315 Speaker 1: the congressen having surgery, So the Congressman shows up and 251 00:18:06,435 --> 00:18:11,195 Speaker 1: screws little Johnson into the ground. But I'm Moses, so naturally, 252 00:18:11,315 --> 00:18:15,555 Speaker 1: per documents sent by Democratic House leadership to its members yesterday, 253 00:18:16,315 --> 00:18:19,555 Speaker 1: they will be voting again on impeaching Majorcis at six 254 00:18:19,555 --> 00:18:24,075 Speaker 1: point thirty next Tuesday. This were Trump, there'd be four 255 00:18:24,395 --> 00:18:27,755 Speaker 1: and twenty nine lawsuits by now claiming double jeopardy or 256 00:18:27,835 --> 00:18:34,235 Speaker 1: presidential immobility or something. So the Republican schedule is Tuesday 257 00:18:34,315 --> 00:18:38,435 Speaker 1: six point thirty impeach the secretary, and Tuesday six forty five. 258 00:18:38,435 --> 00:18:42,355 Speaker 1: When that fails, flee and try to destroy all the evidence. 259 00:19:11,675 --> 00:19:15,155 Speaker 1: Thank you, Nancy Faust. By the way, the reaction to 260 00:19:15,195 --> 00:19:17,995 Speaker 1: the failed impeachment from the new anchor boy of the 261 00:19:18,035 --> 00:19:23,435 Speaker 1: far right, Carl Higbee of Newsmacks, they must primary Republican 262 00:19:23,515 --> 00:19:28,635 Speaker 1: ken Buck of Colorado, who voted against impeaching Majorcis. Ken 263 00:19:28,635 --> 00:19:32,155 Speaker 1: Buck is retiring from the House of Representatives. He's not 264 00:19:32,235 --> 00:19:38,235 Speaker 1: running for reelection. That'll show him once again. Democracy survives 265 00:19:38,275 --> 00:19:41,155 Speaker 1: not so much by our efforts to preserve it, but 266 00:19:41,275 --> 00:19:45,275 Speaker 1: by the stupidity of those trying to destroy it, most 267 00:19:45,315 --> 00:19:55,315 Speaker 1: of whom like this idiot Higbee are Nitwitz speaking of Dateline, Missouri. 268 00:19:55,355 --> 00:19:59,555 Speaker 1: Please meet Valentina Gomez Noriega. She is running for the 269 00:19:59,555 --> 00:20:04,515 Speaker 1: Republican nomination for Secretary of State in Missouri, and like you, 270 00:20:04,715 --> 00:20:09,515 Speaker 1: and she is appalled by all this banning of books. 271 00:20:10,595 --> 00:20:13,555 Speaker 1: In a video she has made and posted to social media, 272 00:20:14,475 --> 00:20:18,715 Speaker 1: Valentina Gomez Noriega is shown not with an automatic weapon 273 00:20:18,755 --> 00:20:22,075 Speaker 1: of some kind that is so twenty twenty three, but 274 00:20:22,235 --> 00:20:27,635 Speaker 1: with what looks like a Jerry rigged flame thrower. Because 275 00:20:28,475 --> 00:20:33,395 Speaker 1: her platform is no more banning of books. We're going 276 00:20:33,515 --> 00:20:36,915 Speaker 1: to burning of books is what I will do to 277 00:20:36,955 --> 00:20:39,395 Speaker 1: the growing books when I become Secretary of States. Let's 278 00:20:39,395 --> 00:20:43,155 Speaker 1: go welcome to the main events in applying pressure, but 279 00:20:43,235 --> 00:20:47,835 Speaker 1: I'm promising that the reposed library, when I'm not today 280 00:20:47,875 --> 00:20:53,195 Speaker 1: will burn. Now. As horrifying as this asshole's idea is 281 00:20:54,235 --> 00:20:57,595 Speaker 1: and how she should have her life ruined for even 282 00:20:57,755 --> 00:21:00,795 Speaker 1: giving public voice to it, I am comforted by one 283 00:21:00,955 --> 00:21:07,835 Speaker 1: inevitable reality of which Miss Valentina Gomez Norriega is clearly unaware. Now, 284 00:21:07,915 --> 00:21:11,635 Speaker 1: after some minor searching, I could not find out where 285 00:21:11,795 --> 00:21:15,075 Speaker 1: Miss Gomez Noriega was born but she says her parents 286 00:21:15,115 --> 00:21:18,755 Speaker 1: are immigrants, and I've only been to Kansas City and 287 00:21:18,835 --> 00:21:23,275 Speaker 1: Saint Louis. But my hunch is that her three opponents 288 00:21:23,275 --> 00:21:26,795 Speaker 1: in the Republican primary for Secretary of State might just 289 00:21:26,955 --> 00:21:29,715 Speaker 1: hear her talk and mention that she don't sound like 290 00:21:29,795 --> 00:21:34,715 Speaker 1: she's from Chesterfield, Missouri. Because the modern Republicans may not 291 00:21:34,755 --> 00:21:40,795 Speaker 1: oppose book burning or Missouri Nazis or Missouri racism, but 292 00:21:41,555 --> 00:21:46,435 Speaker 1: we can count on this, they do oppose people named 293 00:21:46,595 --> 00:22:12,355 Speaker 1: Gomez Noriega stell Ahead on Downdown. I swear this is true. 294 00:22:12,435 --> 00:22:15,075 Speaker 1: One constant listener was nice enough to send me a 295 00:22:15,115 --> 00:22:19,195 Speaker 1: photo from what he termed a baseball event, and there 296 00:22:19,355 --> 00:22:24,595 Speaker 1: was Rudy Giuliani getting applause and handshakes and backclaps instead 297 00:22:24,595 --> 00:22:28,635 Speaker 1: of you know, rotten tomatoes and paper towels with which 298 00:22:28,675 --> 00:22:32,275 Speaker 1: to wipe off his extra hair coloring. So this seems 299 00:22:32,315 --> 00:22:34,555 Speaker 1: like a good time to recall my baseball event with 300 00:22:34,635 --> 00:22:37,315 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani, which was the first day I realized he 301 00:22:37,555 --> 00:22:43,155 Speaker 1: was not of this earth. And we are approaching the 302 00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:45,915 Speaker 1: thirtieth anniversary of that day. So the rest of you 303 00:22:45,955 --> 00:22:49,155 Speaker 1: who have complaints about Giuliani, you get in line behind 304 00:22:49,275 --> 00:22:53,315 Speaker 1: me first time for the daily roundup of the other miscreants, 305 00:22:53,355 --> 00:22:56,675 Speaker 1: morons and Dunning Krueger effects specimens who constitute two days 306 00:22:57,235 --> 00:23:03,235 Speaker 1: worse persons in the world, the brons worse dementia. Jay Trump, 307 00:23:03,995 --> 00:23:06,955 Speaker 1: what was he doing at one oh seven am yesterday morning? 308 00:23:07,035 --> 00:23:13,075 Speaker 1: What any normal, sane, almost octagenarian would be doing? Spit 309 00:23:13,195 --> 00:23:18,475 Speaker 1: posting on social media about the TV ratings for the 310 00:23:18,995 --> 00:23:24,115 Speaker 1: Grammy Awards. Another year of anemic Grammy ratings only sixteen 311 00:23:24,155 --> 00:23:28,875 Speaker 1: point nine million viewers. I suppose this is still the 312 00:23:28,955 --> 00:23:32,795 Speaker 1: Time Magazine Person of the Year award going to Taylor's 313 00:23:32,915 --> 00:23:37,315 Speaker 1: swift stuff. Plus maybe it's him signaling to the cult 314 00:23:37,315 --> 00:23:40,755 Speaker 1: that he's buying into the right wing swift conspiracies about 315 00:23:42,035 --> 00:23:45,035 Speaker 1: I've lost track anyway, her picture was in this thing too. 316 00:23:45,475 --> 00:23:50,835 Speaker 1: Only sixteen point nine million viewers. Last month when Trump 317 00:23:50,875 --> 00:23:54,875 Speaker 1: went on Fox, he got four point four million viewers. 318 00:23:54,995 --> 00:23:58,395 Speaker 1: That's about a quarter of the Grammy audience last May. 319 00:23:58,555 --> 00:24:02,635 Speaker 1: Trump got three point three million viewers on CNN last March, 320 00:24:02,755 --> 00:24:06,075 Speaker 1: three million on Fox. In Septem three million on Meat 321 00:24:06,115 --> 00:24:09,355 Speaker 1: the Press. And that was compared to five million who 322 00:24:09,355 --> 00:24:11,715 Speaker 1: were not watching him on This Week and Face the 323 00:24:11,795 --> 00:24:16,075 Speaker 1: Nation so his last four full length solo TV appearances 324 00:24:16,435 --> 00:24:21,435 Speaker 1: have earned Trump a total audience for four shows of 325 00:24:21,555 --> 00:24:25,355 Speaker 1: thirteen million, seven hundred and sixty thousand viewers, compared to 326 00:24:25,555 --> 00:24:28,475 Speaker 1: sixteen million, nine hundred thousand for the Grammys. So if 327 00:24:28,475 --> 00:24:33,515 Speaker 1: the Grammy ratings are anemic, Trump's ratings are him with 328 00:24:33,635 --> 00:24:38,715 Speaker 1: a bunch of leeches stuck to his face, which coincidentally 329 00:24:38,755 --> 00:24:41,035 Speaker 1: is how I think of him. The runner up were 330 00:24:41,075 --> 00:24:44,235 Speaker 1: Sir Rishie Sunak, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, 331 00:24:44,515 --> 00:24:48,795 Speaker 1: the one after Cameron and May and Johnson and Liz Truss. 332 00:24:49,115 --> 00:24:52,555 Speaker 1: So mister Sunak is the Conservative Party's fifth string prime 333 00:24:52,555 --> 00:24:56,915 Speaker 1: minister sixth string if you count the lettuce. Sunak showed 334 00:24:56,955 --> 00:25:00,235 Speaker 1: why he actually lost the leadership contest in his party 335 00:25:00,275 --> 00:25:03,475 Speaker 1: to Liz Truss, the mother of a trans girl murdered 336 00:25:03,475 --> 00:25:06,075 Speaker 1: by two teenagers in fact, did with trump Ism. Was 337 00:25:06,115 --> 00:25:08,915 Speaker 1: in the visitors gallery for Prime Minister's question time in 338 00:25:08,955 --> 00:25:12,515 Speaker 1: Parliament yesterday and Sunak paid tribute to her, and then 339 00:25:13,475 --> 00:25:18,115 Speaker 1: like ninety seconds later, he made a joke about transgender 340 00:25:18,275 --> 00:25:21,955 Speaker 1: women as an insult against the leader of the opposition. 341 00:25:22,475 --> 00:25:26,315 Speaker 1: Honest to God. Ninety seconds later, first he pays tribute 342 00:25:26,355 --> 00:25:30,515 Speaker 1: to this poor woman whose transgender daughter was murdered, and 343 00:25:30,595 --> 00:25:35,835 Speaker 1: then he makes a joke about transgendered women. So who's 344 00:25:35,875 --> 00:25:40,035 Speaker 1: the Conservative Party's seventh string prime minister. Anybody's seen that 345 00:25:40,115 --> 00:25:44,835 Speaker 1: head of Lettuce, but our winners Tucker Carlson and Juanita Broadrick. 346 00:25:45,515 --> 00:25:49,795 Speaker 1: That's Tucker Carlson who got community noted by the Kremlin 347 00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:53,755 Speaker 1: under his post promoting his flatulent lap sitting visit with 348 00:25:53,795 --> 00:25:58,355 Speaker 1: the dictator. The Kremlin has disputed Carlson's claim that no 349 00:25:58,675 --> 00:26:03,955 Speaker 1: other Westerner has bothered to interview Putin. The Kremlin spokesman added, 350 00:26:04,315 --> 00:26:07,755 Speaker 1: there's there's no way he could know this like that 351 00:26:07,795 --> 00:26:11,115 Speaker 1: ever stopped Tucker Carlson before. When the Kremlin is more 352 00:26:11,195 --> 00:26:13,915 Speaker 1: credible than you are, Tucker, You've just turned the rest 353 00:26:13,955 --> 00:26:16,875 Speaker 1: of your life into a punchline. By the way, a 354 00:26:16,915 --> 00:26:20,275 Speaker 1: member of the European Parliament is talking about introducing a 355 00:26:20,355 --> 00:26:24,395 Speaker 1: response to Carlson's serving as Putin's useful idiot by proposing 356 00:26:24,435 --> 00:26:30,435 Speaker 1: a travel ban against Carlson in EEU countries. Also that 357 00:26:30,475 --> 00:26:33,235 Speaker 1: phrase useful idiot, That's how we used to think of 358 00:26:33,235 --> 00:26:38,875 Speaker 1: Tucker at MSNBC, only without the useful part. And Juanita 359 00:26:38,915 --> 00:26:42,595 Speaker 1: Brodrick remember her. She's the woman who you thought used 360 00:26:42,675 --> 00:26:45,235 Speaker 1: up all her lies in the twentieth century when she 361 00:26:45,355 --> 00:26:49,595 Speaker 1: changed her story about Bill Clinton five different times and 362 00:26:49,715 --> 00:26:53,195 Speaker 1: eventually went to one in which Clinton called her to apologize, 363 00:26:53,275 --> 00:26:56,075 Speaker 1: which is the single most unbelievable thing anybody has ever 364 00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:59,835 Speaker 1: said about Bill. Now, Juanita has become one of the 365 00:26:59,875 --> 00:27:02,315 Speaker 1: many right wing nut jobs to fall for something on 366 00:27:02,355 --> 00:27:05,915 Speaker 1: what used to be Twitter, which Elon Muskreenx, which he 367 00:27:05,915 --> 00:27:10,715 Speaker 1: should now rename sucks. She and thousands of others among 368 00:27:10,795 --> 00:27:14,395 Speaker 1: the brain damage on sucks took a doctored screenshot in 369 00:27:14,435 --> 00:27:17,395 Speaker 1: which all the lettering might be in Ukrainian cyrillic, or 370 00:27:17,515 --> 00:27:21,155 Speaker 1: might be in Russian cyrillic, it's hard to tell. And 371 00:27:21,195 --> 00:27:23,515 Speaker 1: it has a picture of Zelensky on it, And she 372 00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:29,155 Speaker 1: declared it was a Ukrainian government assassination list directed against 373 00:27:29,715 --> 00:27:32,675 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson because there's a picture of him on it too. 374 00:27:33,595 --> 00:27:38,915 Speaker 1: Quoting Juanita, this pos dictator Zelenski has put Tucker Carlson 375 00:27:38,915 --> 00:27:42,435 Speaker 1: on a kill list for interviewing putin Biden has helped 376 00:27:42,475 --> 00:27:46,155 Speaker 1: him with your tax dollars. First of all, it turns 377 00:27:46,195 --> 00:27:49,755 Speaker 1: out that the image was from an Internet database and 378 00:27:49,795 --> 00:27:52,115 Speaker 1: the worst thing it actually says about Carlson in the 379 00:27:52,115 --> 00:27:56,595 Speaker 1: original is that he's a quote blogger. Like Tucker Carlson 380 00:27:56,635 --> 00:28:00,715 Speaker 1: could write anything. A blogger. But secondly, even if you 381 00:28:00,715 --> 00:28:05,155 Speaker 1: think Ukraine is wrong and Putin is right, house stupid 382 00:28:05,155 --> 00:28:08,995 Speaker 1: do you have to be to think that somewhere online 383 00:28:09,675 --> 00:28:13,155 Speaker 1: the president of a country with elections and a representative 384 00:28:13,195 --> 00:28:17,555 Speaker 1: government and a free media keeps a kill list where 385 00:28:17,675 --> 00:28:22,075 Speaker 1: people could find it and screenshot it. Well, you'd have 386 00:28:22,155 --> 00:28:24,835 Speaker 1: to be as stupid as one eeda Brodrick, which is 387 00:28:25,395 --> 00:28:29,995 Speaker 1: pretty effing stupid. One need to also how stupid would 388 00:28:29,995 --> 00:28:32,395 Speaker 1: you have to be to think Tucker Carlson is worth 389 00:28:32,435 --> 00:28:38,475 Speaker 1: the price of a bullet Broderick two days worse Parson 390 00:28:39,435 --> 00:29:01,115 Speaker 1: and just ahead. You may think Rudy Giuliani only went 391 00:29:01,235 --> 00:29:03,515 Speaker 1: nuts after Biden blew him out of the water during 392 00:29:03,555 --> 00:29:05,635 Speaker 1: the primary debates and two two thousand and seven when 393 00:29:05,635 --> 00:29:08,075 Speaker 1: he said that Rudy was just a noun, a verb 394 00:29:08,155 --> 00:29:10,595 Speaker 1: and nine to eleven. You may think it only happened 395 00:29:10,595 --> 00:29:15,315 Speaker 1: when that one last viagra too many redirected Rudy's blood 396 00:29:15,355 --> 00:29:19,595 Speaker 1: from his tiny mind to his tiny moving on. In fact, 397 00:29:20,035 --> 00:29:22,915 Speaker 1: it happened at least thirty years ago, and I'm a witness, 398 00:29:23,155 --> 00:29:25,995 Speaker 1: as I'll explain next in things I promised not to 399 00:29:26,035 --> 00:29:29,595 Speaker 1: tell the day I found out Rudy Giuliani was nuts. 400 00:29:30,435 --> 00:29:32,355 Speaker 1: First time for another dog in need, you can help 401 00:29:32,395 --> 00:29:35,075 Speaker 1: Every dog has its day today. In fact, it's a 402 00:29:35,075 --> 00:29:37,115 Speaker 1: little help for somebody who helps out a lot of 403 00:29:37,155 --> 00:29:39,955 Speaker 1: dogs in need. 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If you can make a donation to them, great. 412 00:30:09,955 --> 00:30:12,515 Speaker 1: The info is in the pinned tweet at my dog 413 00:30:12,555 --> 00:30:16,595 Speaker 1: account at tom Jumbo Grumbo, but even just retweeting that 414 00:30:16,755 --> 00:30:21,355 Speaker 1: tweet can help them too. Gidri's Guardian thanks you, and 415 00:30:21,515 --> 00:30:29,595 Speaker 1: I thank you, and through the number one story on 416 00:30:29,635 --> 00:30:32,275 Speaker 1: the countdown and my favorite topic, me and things I 417 00:30:32,435 --> 00:30:36,555 Speaker 1: promised not to tell. I hear this question about Rudy 418 00:30:36,595 --> 00:30:41,515 Speaker 1: Giuliani a lot. When did his life go so horribly 419 00:30:41,635 --> 00:30:46,675 Speaker 1: horribly wrong? Here was America's mayor the rock in the 420 00:30:46,755 --> 00:30:50,435 Speaker 1: hours of crisis, after nine to eleven. What is he now? 421 00:30:51,195 --> 00:30:53,755 Speaker 1: After literally years of trying to sell the Hunter Biden 422 00:30:53,875 --> 00:30:59,075 Speaker 1: laptop story. Who does the Hunter Biden laptop story bite him? 423 00:30:59,835 --> 00:31:05,875 Speaker 1: Four seasons gardening, the mascara, running down his face, emissions 424 00:31:05,875 --> 00:31:11,915 Speaker 1: at phony election hearings, the Sasha Baron Cohen film. I mean, 425 00:31:12,395 --> 00:31:15,555 Speaker 1: even back then, I thought it was nuts that people 426 00:31:15,595 --> 00:31:18,315 Speaker 1: actually thought Rudy Giuliani was the front runner for the 427 00:31:18,355 --> 00:31:21,315 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight Republican presidential nomination. What he was 428 00:31:21,475 --> 00:31:24,915 Speaker 1: widely held to be just that in two thousand and six, 429 00:31:24,955 --> 00:31:29,475 Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, and by the time it happened, 430 00:31:29,675 --> 00:31:32,195 Speaker 1: he was already on his way to spending millions of 431 00:31:32,235 --> 00:31:36,995 Speaker 1: dollars to finish last. But it was the final nail 432 00:31:37,075 --> 00:31:39,915 Speaker 1: in the coffin in which he still lives. At a 433 00:31:39,955 --> 00:31:43,155 Speaker 1: Democratic debate in two thousand and seven, October thirtieth, before 434 00:31:43,155 --> 00:31:46,555 Speaker 1: the field shook out, everybody but Obama and Hillary one 435 00:31:46,555 --> 00:31:49,755 Speaker 1: of the other candidates was excoriating the Republicans and their 436 00:31:49,795 --> 00:31:53,515 Speaker 1: exploitation of terrorism and the al Qaeda attacks, and that 437 00:31:53,635 --> 00:31:57,635 Speaker 1: other candidates said of Giuliani, quote, there's only three things 438 00:31:57,675 --> 00:32:01,155 Speaker 1: he mentions in a sentence, A noun, a verb, and 439 00:32:01,315 --> 00:32:06,955 Speaker 1: nine to eleven. The candidate was Joe Biden. The phrase 440 00:32:07,075 --> 00:32:09,755 Speaker 1: a noun, a verb and nine to eleven ended Rudy 441 00:32:09,795 --> 00:32:14,635 Speaker 1: Giuliani's career, and Giuliani's dislike of Joe Biden, many decades old, 442 00:32:14,755 --> 00:32:18,475 Speaker 1: turned to hatred at that exact moment, which is why 443 00:32:18,515 --> 00:32:22,355 Speaker 1: we got to where we got to in twenty and twenty. 444 00:32:22,795 --> 00:32:24,915 Speaker 1: That was also the exact moment at which any hopes 445 00:32:24,995 --> 00:32:30,795 Speaker 1: Julianni had being elected anything anywhere ever again vanished. But 446 00:32:31,955 --> 00:32:34,275 Speaker 1: it was clear to me as far back as September 447 00:32:34,275 --> 00:32:36,755 Speaker 1: two thousand and one. That's sadly, what we saw at 448 00:32:36,755 --> 00:32:39,355 Speaker 1: that time was a bad man having a few good 449 00:32:39,475 --> 00:32:43,155 Speaker 1: days before that month was out. Juliani's response to the 450 00:32:43,195 --> 00:32:48,435 Speaker 1: attack on democracy was to himself attack democracy, to propose 451 00:32:48,475 --> 00:32:51,675 Speaker 1: that the November election to choose his successor to be 452 00:32:51,795 --> 00:32:55,115 Speaker 1: Mayor of New York should be postponed, or that at 453 00:32:55,195 --> 00:32:58,075 Speaker 1: least he should stay on for a few months as 454 00:32:58,315 --> 00:33:03,875 Speaker 1: co mayor because he was irreplaceable. There had always been 455 00:33:03,955 --> 00:33:07,075 Speaker 1: more subtle nts that Giuliani was never a good man, 456 00:33:07,275 --> 00:33:10,755 Speaker 1: just a slightly smarter one, a more devious one. The 457 00:33:10,875 --> 00:33:15,355 Speaker 1: venomous Rudy, the scheming Rudy, the a moral Rudy, the 458 00:33:15,435 --> 00:33:18,995 Speaker 1: Rudy with a bad song in his heart, leaked out 459 00:33:19,035 --> 00:33:21,915 Speaker 1: from time to time, and often inside the world of sports, 460 00:33:21,915 --> 00:33:25,715 Speaker 1: which is where I met him. You will remember, Rudy 461 00:33:25,755 --> 00:33:29,835 Speaker 1: Giuliani was a professional New York Yankees fan. He always 462 00:33:29,915 --> 00:33:33,395 Speaker 1: went to the games for free, mind you, dugout seats 463 00:33:33,395 --> 00:33:37,915 Speaker 1: for himself, his wife, his other wife, his next wife, 464 00:33:38,275 --> 00:33:41,715 Speaker 1: the kids, the friends. When I still had friends at 465 00:33:41,795 --> 00:33:44,995 Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium, they estimated Rudy used to cost them thousands 466 00:33:45,035 --> 00:33:48,835 Speaker 1: of dollars every time he showed up. He always left 467 00:33:48,955 --> 00:33:53,115 Speaker 1: via the clubhouse. He always wore a Yankees cap. He 468 00:33:53,195 --> 00:33:56,035 Speaker 1: billed himself as quote the number one Yankee fan. And 469 00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:58,875 Speaker 1: then when the Boston Red Sox were playing in the 470 00:33:58,915 --> 00:34:01,275 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven World Series, when he was campaigning 471 00:34:01,315 --> 00:34:04,355 Speaker 1: for president in New Hampshire, Rudy Giuliani suddenly announced he 472 00:34:04,395 --> 00:34:07,995 Speaker 1: was rooting for the Red Sox. This is like being 473 00:34:08,075 --> 00:34:11,635 Speaker 1: a Trump fan and announcing you are rooting for democracy. 474 00:34:13,115 --> 00:34:17,715 Speaker 1: But I went back with Rudy Giuliani even longer than that. 475 00:34:18,795 --> 00:34:21,435 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety five or nineteen ninety six, I was 476 00:34:21,475 --> 00:34:24,795 Speaker 1: asked by the Deputy Mayor of New York City, fran Writer, 477 00:34:25,235 --> 00:34:27,915 Speaker 1: and the staff of the Baseball Hall of Fame to 478 00:34:28,155 --> 00:34:31,795 Speaker 1: travel from ESPN in Connecticut, literally to the steps of 479 00:34:31,835 --> 00:34:34,995 Speaker 1: New York City Hall to MC an event for what 480 00:34:35,155 --> 00:34:38,595 Speaker 1: must have been thirty five members of the Baseball Hall 481 00:34:38,675 --> 00:34:42,155 Speaker 1: of Fame, maybe the largest group of them ever assembled 482 00:34:42,195 --> 00:34:46,195 Speaker 1: in one place in one moment in time. The Deputy 483 00:34:46,195 --> 00:34:49,475 Speaker 1: Mayor approached me and the Mayor a few steps behind 484 00:34:49,475 --> 00:34:52,755 Speaker 1: her on that gorgeous spring day. As she began to 485 00:34:52,795 --> 00:34:57,755 Speaker 1: introduce us, she realized he had begun to wander off. Ruddy, Ruddy, 486 00:34:58,435 --> 00:35:01,875 Speaker 1: She bellowed, He wandered back, Rudy, this is Keith Olderman 487 00:35:01,915 --> 00:35:04,595 Speaker 1: from ESPN. He's going to be the MC. You will 488 00:35:04,675 --> 00:35:07,475 Speaker 1: I have to introduce him after you speak. The mayor 489 00:35:07,515 --> 00:35:11,475 Speaker 1: seemed to be having trouble focusing on me or anything else. 490 00:35:12,195 --> 00:35:14,795 Speaker 1: I thought of the old joke, just keep your eyes 491 00:35:14,795 --> 00:35:18,475 Speaker 1: on the Olberman in the middle. He extended a hand 492 00:35:18,955 --> 00:35:23,835 Speaker 1: missed mine, then recalibrated. As we shook hands, he grunted. 493 00:35:24,875 --> 00:35:27,435 Speaker 1: The Deputy mayor now roared at him, Rody, you have 494 00:35:27,515 --> 00:35:31,275 Speaker 1: to introduce him. His name is Keith Olberman from ESPN. 495 00:35:31,515 --> 00:35:36,475 Speaker 1: He's the MC. Juliani turned and looked at her like 496 00:35:36,555 --> 00:35:40,635 Speaker 1: he'd never seen her before. He grunted again. Deputy Mayor 497 00:35:40,755 --> 00:35:44,995 Speaker 1: Writer now screamed at Rudy Giuliani, repeat it to me. 498 00:35:47,395 --> 00:35:49,835 Speaker 1: He looked at me, then he looked back at her 499 00:35:50,275 --> 00:35:53,875 Speaker 1: and he said, his name is Keith Alderman from ESPN. 500 00:35:54,035 --> 00:35:58,715 Speaker 1: He's the MC. With annoyance. Writer said thank you, and 501 00:35:58,795 --> 00:36:04,315 Speaker 1: Juliani smiled and wandered off again. And I half seriously thought, 502 00:36:05,315 --> 00:36:08,915 Speaker 1: did I just meet a body double? Is he a replicant? 503 00:36:09,755 --> 00:36:12,795 Speaker 1: Is he a well built robot? This can't be the 504 00:36:12,835 --> 00:36:17,235 Speaker 1: actual mayor. Well it was. I took my seat in 505 00:36:17,275 --> 00:36:19,115 Speaker 1: the front row of the stage that had been built 506 00:36:19,115 --> 00:36:21,755 Speaker 1: atop the City Hall steps. As the crowd gathered, and 507 00:36:21,795 --> 00:36:24,155 Speaker 1: it was a good one, maybe three or four hundred people. 508 00:36:24,915 --> 00:36:27,715 Speaker 1: The President of the Hall of Fame spoke first. The 509 00:36:27,715 --> 00:36:31,315 Speaker 1: Mayor sat next to me. Giuliani leaned in at one 510 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:34,835 Speaker 1: point and whispered to me, your name is Keith Alderman 511 00:36:35,275 --> 00:36:40,915 Speaker 1: from ESPN. You're the MC, I talk, I introduce you. 512 00:36:42,195 --> 00:36:46,035 Speaker 1: I said something encouraging, and he smiled broadly, like a 513 00:36:46,155 --> 00:36:50,475 Speaker 1: child who was about to get some candy. The president 514 00:36:50,515 --> 00:36:52,955 Speaker 1: of the Baseball Hall of Fame wrapped up introduced Juliani, 515 00:36:52,955 --> 00:36:54,955 Speaker 1: who bounced up to the stage and thanked him and 516 00:36:55,435 --> 00:36:58,595 Speaker 1: got his name wrong. He then launched into a speech 517 00:36:58,635 --> 00:37:01,275 Speaker 1: taking credit for the great weather in the terrific early 518 00:37:01,355 --> 00:37:03,315 Speaker 1: season performance of the New York Yankees and the New 519 00:37:03,395 --> 00:37:07,235 Speaker 1: York Mets and the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York 520 00:37:07,315 --> 00:37:09,395 Speaker 1: Giants who had moved out of New York in nineteen 521 00:37:09,475 --> 00:37:11,275 Speaker 1: fifty seven. But if he had been mayor, then they 522 00:37:11,315 --> 00:37:12,955 Speaker 1: wouldn't have moved out in New York, would have the 523 00:37:12,995 --> 00:37:15,515 Speaker 1: four teams it deserves. And look at all these great players. 524 00:37:15,555 --> 00:37:17,075 Speaker 1: Will let me now turn it over to a good 525 00:37:17,075 --> 00:37:19,395 Speaker 1: friend of mine and a great baseball man. And he 526 00:37:19,435 --> 00:37:28,155 Speaker 1: looked at me, and he forgot everything. Silence, titters of 527 00:37:28,235 --> 00:37:31,115 Speaker 1: laughter from the crowd, And finally he looked the other 528 00:37:31,155 --> 00:37:34,115 Speaker 1: way behind him, where the Deputy Mayor had her head 529 00:37:34,195 --> 00:37:38,035 Speaker 1: in her hands. Rudy Giuliani into a microphone that picked 530 00:37:38,115 --> 00:37:42,635 Speaker 1: up everything he said. Said loudly, what's his name? Who 531 00:37:42,755 --> 00:37:47,035 Speaker 1: is he? And now the titters of laughter in the 532 00:37:47,075 --> 00:37:49,955 Speaker 1: crowd turned to a little bit louder laughter, and some 533 00:37:50,035 --> 00:37:52,755 Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame players seated behind me gave 534 00:37:52,795 --> 00:37:56,875 Speaker 1: me pats of consolation on my shoulder. Fran Ryder screamed, 535 00:37:57,315 --> 00:38:00,915 Speaker 1: Keith Alverman from me, ESPN, DMC, you repeated it to me. 536 00:38:02,435 --> 00:38:06,115 Speaker 1: Juliani turned to the crowd as if there had been 537 00:38:06,155 --> 00:38:08,235 Speaker 1: no way they could have heard or seen any of this, 538 00:38:08,635 --> 00:38:11,235 Speaker 1: and he said, so let me turn it over to 539 00:38:11,315 --> 00:38:13,595 Speaker 1: a good friend of mine and a great baseball man, 540 00:38:14,315 --> 00:38:24,715 Speaker 1: Keith Obelman, our NC from ESPM. I just sat there, 541 00:38:26,235 --> 00:38:30,075 Speaker 1: more laughs, more consolations from the players behind me. I 542 00:38:30,075 --> 00:38:32,795 Speaker 1: can still hear the laugh of the late Detroit Tigers 543 00:38:32,795 --> 00:38:35,915 Speaker 1: great al Kayline rising above the others. Al later came 544 00:38:35,955 --> 00:38:39,515 Speaker 1: over to commiserate. As I thought, should I get there 545 00:38:39,555 --> 00:38:44,195 Speaker 1: and say thank you Mayor Dinkins, or better yet, thank 546 00:38:44,235 --> 00:38:49,355 Speaker 1: you Mayor LaGuardia. I then concluded, no, I can't do that. 547 00:38:49,595 --> 00:38:53,315 Speaker 1: I'm representing ESPN, I'm representing the Baseball Hall of Fame. 548 00:38:53,875 --> 00:38:57,395 Speaker 1: As I thought that, he said it again. So now 549 00:38:57,515 --> 00:39:00,995 Speaker 1: I got up and I told the crowd sorry, I 550 00:39:01,115 --> 00:39:04,675 Speaker 1: wasn't sure he meant me. So if you were saying 551 00:39:04,675 --> 00:39:08,435 Speaker 1: saying to yourself, what on earth happened to Rudy Giuliani 552 00:39:08,475 --> 00:39:11,395 Speaker 1: with that brown schitz pouring down his face, I am 553 00:39:11,435 --> 00:39:14,395 Speaker 1: saying to you he has been this crazy for at 554 00:39:14,475 --> 00:39:18,555 Speaker 1: least thirty years. You were just lucky enough to have 555 00:39:18,635 --> 00:39:23,675 Speaker 1: not previously noticed. It is all true. Or my name 556 00:39:23,835 --> 00:39:42,395 Speaker 1: ain't Keith Obelman, our NC from ESPM. I've done all 557 00:39:42,395 --> 00:39:44,355 Speaker 1: the damage I can do here. Thank you for listening. 558 00:39:44,795 --> 00:39:48,195 Speaker 1: Send the podcast to somebody who would like it, all right, 559 00:39:48,235 --> 00:39:51,315 Speaker 1: that's asking a lot. Send it to somebody who will 560 00:39:51,355 --> 00:39:57,035 Speaker 1: subscribe to it. Liking it is optional. 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