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Speaker 2: Tackle for a Loss by guess who Collias Campbell.

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Speaker 1: The latest news and notes from the insiders who cover

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Trey McBride. Heck of a play by the all

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Speaker 2: world tight end Tray McBride. Oh that was nasty right

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Speaker 2: there right swam the ground by Budda Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to try and start with a real, real

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Speaker 2: easy approach. In fact, why don't we make it a

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Speaker 2: tru or false question? Is football withdrawal a real thing?

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Speaker 2: Yes or no? True or false? Stanny Surrec Darren Rman,

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Speaker 2: Paul Calvic, time was not too long ago. I would

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Speaker 2: actually wait for your answer. Now I just go to AI.

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Speaker 2: I just looked it up and it says yes. Football

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Speaker 2: withdrawal is a real feeling for many fans, similar to

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Speaker 2: post holiday blues, characterized by sense of loss or deprivation

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Speaker 2: when the season ends due to the brain missing the

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Speaker 2: dopamine rush from this enjoyable activity.

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Speaker 3: You had to ask a computer how you felt, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just did you know he won the picks? By

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Speaker 3: the way, No he didn't. He cheated us?

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Speaker 4: Day?

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Speaker 3: Are that one week?

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Speaker 4: That's right?

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Speaker 2: So once you know, it's actually kind of a poignant

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Speaker 2: reminder because, as we've already found out this week, there

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Speaker 2: will be change that you know, at any moment, AI

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Speaker 2: might have to step in here on Cardinals Underground, presented

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Speaker 2: by a Pacific Office automation in place of one or

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Speaker 2: maybe all of us at some point.

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Speaker 3: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: But look, it was Monday night. I did actually reach

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Speaker 2: for the remote and actually got as far as almost

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Speaker 2: going to the TV grid and looking for Monday Night Football,

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Speaker 2: only to realize, oh, there's no Monday Night football. And

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Speaker 2: then we got done with the Red Sea report. I

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Speaker 2: got out of that seat right there. Danny went to

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Speaker 2: head into the press conference with Nick Rowlis. No season's

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Speaker 2: over denied. Football withdrawal football.

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Speaker 3: Withdrawal is real later in the year. Personally, I don't

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Speaker 3: feel it quite yet, just because it's all hitting me

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Speaker 3: like a ton of breaks right now as I'm exhausted,

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Speaker 3: as the season has wrapped up and a busy offseason

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Speaker 3: is only getting started. But as we start to push

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Speaker 3: late into the summer and we're you know, gearing up

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Speaker 3: for the final preseason game, then yes, you start to

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Speaker 3: feel ready to have football back.

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Speaker 4: When you work for a team, can you truly have

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Speaker 4: football withdrawal? I'm pretty sure. No no days off?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's Insignao days off, that's right, That's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you work for Bill Belichick, no days off. When

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Speaker 2: no days off. I mean that dude knows how to part.

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Speaker 4: So I make too. I mean Danny's right. Number one.

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Speaker 4: Even if you're a fan of a team, you tend

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Speaker 4: to really get into the playoffs, whether your team's in

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Speaker 4: it or not. So there's no football withdrawal. Yeah. And besides,

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Speaker 4: there can be no football with the actual games might

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Speaker 4: have ended, but the football is still very much going

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Speaker 4: on for this team now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it did get extremely real to kick off

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Speaker 2: this week. Our Cardinals underground flag flying half staff in

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Speaker 2: honor of Jonathan Gannon. And that's just on my own

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Speaker 2: personalist side. Danny, you know, from hosting his TV show,

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Speaker 2: is well, were you surprised? Was it a shock? I mean,

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Speaker 4: I mean I think I think with the way it went,

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Speaker 4: We all saw the the all the reports about you

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Speaker 4: You just you can't know for sure because ultimately, all

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Speaker 4: Until it happens. You know, not in this case, but

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Speaker 4: everything should be fluid you I've said this a million times.

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Speaker 4: I said this when all of this was being discussed

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Speaker 4: see how the whole season plays out. And they let

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Speaker 4: about wins and losses. And if you're going by wins

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Speaker 3: When a team finishes three and fourteen and year three

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Speaker 3: of what was a rebuild, changes are going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Gannon finished fifteen and thirty six in his tenure as

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Speaker 3: I don't think I would have been surprised either way.

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Speaker 3: I think change would have happened regardless whether that was

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Speaker 3: what happens. This is how things work in the NFL

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Speaker 3: like it's it's a tough, tough part of the business,

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Speaker 3: a tough reminder, and I know that fans are frustrated

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Speaker 3: and rightfully so. And we have a different, I don't

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Speaker 3: In the TV show with Gannon, and we saw a

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Speaker 3: it's a stark reminder that these are people and this

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Speaker 3: and that's that's the unfortunate but realistic part of the business.

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Speaker 3: And I think two things can be true where you

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Speaker 3: And I think you can also take a step back

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Speaker 3: bringing in players that truly did set a cultural foundation

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what Michael Bidwell said after that initial comment.

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Speaker 2: You know, wins and losses speak for themselves. And then

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Speaker 2: he went on further to say, look, I felt like

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Speaker 2: change course. So there can be the win loss total,

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Speaker 2: and then there can be the way you finish the season.

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Speaker 2: I've said him many times. An NFL season is usually

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Speaker 2: multiple seasons.

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Speaker 2: You know, Houston Texans started zering three, they finished strong,

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Speaker 2: They're in the playoffs. Cardinals won their first two and

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Speaker 4: The reality is I remember some people saying before the

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Speaker 4: and I thought that was dumb, and I still think

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Speaker 4: Expectations were a thing this year There's no question expectations

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Speaker 4: season last year after and then you didn't play as

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Speaker 4: well down the stretch. Expectations were a part of this.

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Speaker 4: But I I absolutely one million percent believe that Jonathan

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Speaker 4: Gannon would have survived if it hadn't gone quite so sideways.

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Speaker 4: And but but that's where we are, and uh.

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Speaker 2: And what about the fact it went sideways on the

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Speaker 2: I think, to a certain degree, it's the where, and

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Speaker 2: it's the who. It's in the division where your first

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Speaker 2: but then the last four games within the division nowhere

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe maybe you've heard enough, you've heard some

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Speaker 4: other things, Paul. I'll be honest. I I don't think

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Speaker 4: Gannon is a defense to coach, and the defense failed.

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Speaker 4: I just don't believe that because I believe if the

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Speaker 4: I don't and you went three and fourteen. I mean,

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Speaker 4: if you're losing games lopsided, but you're losing twenty seven

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Speaker 4: don't know if there's much of a difference there. That's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess my gut feels a little different.

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Speaker 2: You know, if the defense had been much more rock

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Speaker 2: an abject failure, then I think you could have done

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Speaker 2: a much better job of justifying you want to bring

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Speaker 3: I see that not because gan is a defensive minded coach,

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Speaker 3: but rather that was a relatively healthy defense until the

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Speaker 3: last couple of weeks when you know, Josh Sweat got

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Speaker 3: all the money and free agency went was bolstering the defense.

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Speaker 3: And that's where the frustration really lies for me. Of

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Speaker 3: not so much that Gannon was a defensive minded head coach,

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Speaker 3: but you had a healthy defense and they were not

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Speaker 3: It couldn't keep you know, touchdowns off the board. All

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Speaker 3: of those things the offense, I mean the team as

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Speaker 3: a whole. Injuries played such a role. The Cardinals put

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Speaker 3: out on the field. That's an incredible hurdle to try

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Speaker 3: They struggled to run the ball, they struggled to score points. Right,

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Speaker 3: We did not see the same kind of consistency or

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Speaker 4: You're right, Paul, But I just I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: You should bet your whole paycheck. Isn't that what you

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you have to be competitive within your division if

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Speaker 2: Now again, they finished with the second most difficult strength

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Speaker 3: We to Trey McBride, you're going to have an incredible

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Speaker 4: That story is way better if you imagine Paul doing it.

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Speaker 2: Well, Okay, the light detector can go off if we want,

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Speaker 4: The lamp's light?

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Speaker 4: I just want to say thank you to Trey McBride

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Speaker 2: Now that'll light the lamp, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 4: Because that that gave me something to write about.

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Speaker 3: I do think if you break it down individually, there

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Speaker 3: when your season ends early, right, It's unfortunate, whether it's

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Speaker 4: to have playoff coaches two distracted essentially from their jobs.

436
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Speaker 4: I do want to say as we get started on this,

437
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Speaker 4: as we record this, a couple things have just come

438
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Speaker 4: out just while we've been here. The Cardinals, by various reports,

439
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Speaker 4: have now reached out to three candidates to get these

440
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Speaker 4: virtual interviews. And it's interesting. They're all defensive coordinators Dolphins,

441
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Speaker 4: Anthony Weaver, Advance Joseph of the Broncos, and Robert Sally

442
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Speaker 4: of the forty nine Ers.

443
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Speaker 3: Interesting, Vince Joseph was defensive coordinator here under Cliff Stillsbury.

444
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Speaker 4: So but essentially you can talk to teams coaches that

445
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Speaker 4: are out of the playoffs or teams with a bye

446
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Speaker 4: in the next few days. I don't think they can

447
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Speaker 4: talk to any wildcard people. They can't until next week.

448
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Speaker 4: So the solid one is going to have to wait.

449
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Speaker 4: The Joseph one could happen now, the Weaver one could

450
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Speaker 4: happen now, and these initial interviews all have to be virtual.

451
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Speaker 4: I don't think there's any in person stuff until much

452
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Speaker 4: later in January. And ultimately, what this means is the

453
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Speaker 4: timeline for all these coaching hires, not just the Cardinals,

454
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Speaker 4: is going to be a little bit later than it

455
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Speaker 4: normally is, which is probably good. And they're trying to

456
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Speaker 4: put make sure that playoff coaches are on a similar

457
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Speaker 4: timeline as guys that aren't in there, so that if

458
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Speaker 4: you're a playoff assistant coach, you're not getting kind of

459
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Speaker 4: screwed because you're good.

460
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Speaker 3: Should take note.

461
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's a whole nother podcast.

462
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Speaker 2: Danny, what about high school football? We'll get to my

463
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Speaker 2: hot take a little bit later. Vertical tas Wow, maybe

464
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Speaker 2: I won't get to it later based on the initial reaction.

465
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Speaker 3: This is going.

466
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Speaker 4: If it's not Josh McCown, I don't want to hear.

467
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Speaker 3: No, you're both wrong.

468
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: I love it. You're both wrong here. It is perhaps

469
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Speaker 2: high school coach of the year. Carson Palmer, how about it.

470
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I'm only half serious when I say

471
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Speaker 2: Carson Palmer should be on the list of head coaching

472
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Speaker 2: interviews for the Arizona Cardinals.

473
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Speaker 4: Would Carson Palmer ever want to give up that kind

474
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Speaker 4: of personal time to do.

475
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Speaker 2: That for the right price? Carson Palmer not that he

476
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: really he's comfortably retired. Let's put it that way with now, Look,

477
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: he has kids that he's coaching in high school, so

478
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: that's probably the biggest factor whatsoever. But if you Philip Rivers,

479
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: if you can coach, you can coach, You're absolutely right, Danny.

480
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Speaker 2: And that's then when when the Philip Rivers started coming out,

481
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Speaker 2: I started thinking, Okay, why not Carson Palmer.

482
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm pounding the table for Josh McCown because

483
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Speaker 4: I'm a Josh.

484
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Speaker 2: Just give me thirty seconds, all all this deers, but

485
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get I'm gonna go with it. Okay. Back

486
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Speaker 2: in the day, you know this, Darren, he used to

487
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Speaker 2: run the Friday practice. BA would outsource the Friday practice

488
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Speaker 2: to Carson Palmer. Boom, right there. Number two. He comes in.

489
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Speaker 2: He knows every single defensive coordinator in the league. Still,

490
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: he knows everything that's being run. You come and get

491
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Speaker 2: the automatic, immediate respect from everyone in that room as

492
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Speaker 2: a former number one pick overall and long time elite

493
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Speaker 2: NFL quarterback. Plus I'm guessing there's just something genuine about

494
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Speaker 2: his coaching. Chops to walk in as a rookie head

495
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Speaker 2: coach and win a high school state title not unlike

496
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Speaker 2: wait for it, Jim Harbaugh walking into Division three University

497
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Speaker 2: of San Diego and coaching it up and then the

498
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Speaker 2: very next year going into Stanford and taking a one

499
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Speaker 2: win Stanford team to ten wins, and then the second

500
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Speaker 2: year beating Pete Carroll's juggernaut at USC and then the

501
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Speaker 2: third or fourth year he ended up as the head

502
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Speaker 2: coach of the forty nine ers and took them from

503
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Speaker 2: a six win team to the playoffs. If you can coach,

504
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Speaker 2: you can coach. I would bring in Carson Palmer for

505
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Speaker 2: at least a cup of coffee in a conversation.

506
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Speaker 3: You know where many Austin Fort's office is. What are

507
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Speaker 3: you doing? Still? Send here?

508
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go look for that suggestion box. You know,

509
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Speaker 2: I haven't really hit a suggestion box since last offseason

510
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Speaker 2: when I suggested the tight end screen to Tip Ryman.

511
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 2: The name of the play was who wants some? Remember

512
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: I dropped that in the offensive coordinator suggestion box.

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Speaker 4: I'm guessing most he's just sitting up there waiting where's

514
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Speaker 4: Paul Calvic? I haven't seen Paul today?

515
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Speaker 2: All right? That was entirely enough on that. So the

516
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Speaker 2: three names that have been reported Anthony Weaver, Robert Sala

517
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Speaker 2: and Vance Joseph. Two of the three have head coaching experiences. Yes,

518
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: deal or a big deal.

519
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Speaker 4: Has Anthony Weaver been an interim don't know, don't know.

520
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Speaker 2: We can look that up.

521
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Speaker 4: Maybe the crew back there can look that up real quick.

522
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Speaker 2: In heis, They're not asleep in hindsight, considering the way

523
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: the absolute bottom fell out of the Jets after Robert

524
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Speaker 2: Sala left. Not that they were a playoff caliber team,

525
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: but they were a lot better with Robert Salad than without.

526
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Speaker 3: I don't see interim coach on his timeline, Thank you, Danny.

527
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Speaker 2: In Vance Joseph two years as a Denver head coach

528
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Speaker 2: without a quarterback in like seventeen eighteen or eighteen nineteen,

529
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Speaker 2: and then he came and he was the defensive coordinator

530
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Speaker 2: of Kingsbury last two years was Sean Payton. That doesn't

531
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Speaker 2: hurt coaching under a future Hall of Famer. And I'm

532
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Speaker 2: just guessing you know a guy now in his early

533
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Speaker 2: to mid fifties, Vance Joseph, who's already been there and

534
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: done that as a head coach. He was interesting. Lorenzo

535
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Speaker 2: Alexander on the Red Sea Report this week as a

536
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Speaker 2: buddy of his who was a head coach briefly in

537
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Speaker 2: the NFL. He didn't give up names, but he said,

538
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Speaker 2: if I was an owner. I would never hire a

539
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Speaker 2: first time head coach because there's so much that goes

540
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Speaker 2: beyond being an assistant coach that the experience of having

541
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: head coach on your resume is invaluable and just allows

542
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Speaker 2: you to get off to a much quicker start.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry, Danny, I was just going to say

544
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Speaker 4: real quick that we've seen that, Like Cliff Kingsbury's an example,

545
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Speaker 4: not the only example, but I think Cliff was a

546
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Speaker 4: little overwhelmed with all the other crap that he had

547
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 4: to do in an NFL building, no doubt.

548
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Speaker 3: Typically when things don't work out, you go from one

549
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: end of the spectrum to the other, and so right

550
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Speaker 3: we you know, the Cardinals had an offensive head coach,

551
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Speaker 3: first time head coach in Cliff Kingsbury, opposite end of

552
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Speaker 3: the spectrum, still first time head coach, but defensive minded,

553
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Speaker 3: and Jonathan Gannon. I would not be surprised if they

554
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Speaker 3: tried to go somewhere in the middle this time around

555
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: for Manti Austin for its second head coach search, and

556
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Speaker 3: whether or not it's off defensive, but somebody who does

557
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Speaker 3: have head coaching experience. I looked a little bit more

558
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Speaker 3: though on Weaver and he was the assistant head coach

559
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 3: in Baltimore in twenty twenty two, and then in twenty

560
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Speaker 3: twenty four he did interview for the head coach position

561
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Speaker 3: with the Falcons as well as Washington. So he doesn't

562
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: have that experience, but he has definitely been on the

563
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: radar for that position the last couple of years.

564
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Speaker 2: So it's interesting, you know, I mean just that, I

565
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: guess you know, there's it's minus the learning curve if

566
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: you come in and you have head coaching experience. And

567
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: like Cliff, remember when the Cardinals played the Washington Commanders

568
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: last year Week four, there are a lot of questions

569
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Speaker 2: about to Cliff that way, and a lot of it

570
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: was about his experience as a Cardinals head coach. Do

571
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: you want to be a head coach again? Right? All

572
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Speaker 2: the media change stear Runner coaching it and he's like, yes,

573
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Speaker 2: I would like to be a head coach eventually, doesn't

574
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Speaker 2: have to be right away. And if you are a

575
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Speaker 2: head coach, would you do things differently? And he said yes,

576
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Speaker 2: I would definitely come in differently in set a tone.

577
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Speaker 4: I think I think every guy is like that, right,

578
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 4: like you would.

579
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Speaker 2: But Cliff in particularly, I would think just because he

580
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: was such a player's coach and.

581
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Speaker 3: Coming from college.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just seems to me that he would come

583
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Speaker 2: in and to that point, Danny, I think that that's

584
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Speaker 2: probably the gist of it was he came in from college. Okay,

585
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: are these NFL guys going to accept me right away?

586
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: I probably have to earn my spot, Whereas now as

587
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: a former NFL head coach, as a two year NFL

588
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: offensive quator, he just walks in immediately goes, yo, here's

589
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: the deal. Well, I belong, I.

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Speaker 4: Do think, and I think some of this is Cliff's personality.

591
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Speaker 4: I think he came to the NFL and I'm sure

592
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Speaker 4: part of it had to do with being with the

593
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Speaker 4: Patriots at one point. He came into the NFL thinking,

594
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Speaker 4: these are all professionals. They're all going to take care

595
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Speaker 4: of their business. I just need to give them the

596
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 4: football part of it. They will take care of their business.

597
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Speaker 4: But don't work that way, not with all of them,

598
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Speaker 4: some of them, but not with all of them.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, there's there's the Buddha Bakers and the

600
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: JJ Watts, and but yeah, there's the back end of

601
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: the roster that might need a little more maintenance. High maintenance,

602
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: if you know what we mean. So to Danny's point,

603
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Speaker 2: you know, do you think there's any more of an

604
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Speaker 2: inclination Darren to go with a coach who has former

605
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: head coaching experience, or maybe to go with a coach

606
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Speaker 2: who has an offensive background. If you're bringing in a

607
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Speaker 2: brand new quarterback, how essential might that be?

608
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Speaker 4: I mean, if we're already getting reports of three candidates

609
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Speaker 4: and they're all defensive guys, I don't think they're necessarily

610
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Speaker 4: going offense. I don't think I wouldn't rule it out.

611
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Speaker 4: I tend to believe many Austin for it when he

612
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Speaker 4: said at the press conference, We're not gonna rule anybody out.

613
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Speaker 4: I think it would be kind of goofy for the

614
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Speaker 4: position they're in right now to say we have to

615
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Speaker 4: have an offensive guy or defense guy. I think it

616
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Speaker 4: would be goofy for them to say we have to

617
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Speaker 4: get somebody with experience or a first time person. I

618
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Speaker 4: think they should be trying to get the best person

619
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Speaker 4: they can and go from there. Now the key is

620
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Speaker 4: gonna be, and this has happened to this team before,

621
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Speaker 4: like you might find a guy who you really want

622
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Speaker 4: and it's not going to work out for for whatever reason.

623
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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's not as simple as we interview

624
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: all these guys, this is the guy we want. He's

625
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 4: automatically the guy. Uh. You have to you have to

626
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 4: figure out what the power structure is going to be.

627
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 4: You have to figure out what the pay is going

628
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: to be. You have to figure out all these things.

629
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Speaker 4: But to your original point, Paul, I, I would not

630
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: like it if they are set on one kind of

631
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: coach because quite frankly, that limits your options and I

632
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 4: don't I don't know why you'd want to do that

633
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 4: at this point.

634
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Speaker 3: This this time around is different for so many obvious

635
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: reasons of finding a new head coach, the first one

636
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: being you're not also hiring a first time general manager

637
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: and from front office and going that way. There's a

638
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: lot of question marks though around the quarterback position and

639
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: what Kyler Murray's future looks like with the Cardinals. When

640
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: Austin fort was asked about that point Blake and his

641
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: joint press conference with Michael Bidwell Monday, he said everything

642
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: is on the table. After the season they have had.

643
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Speaker 3: He mentioned all three quarterbacks Murray, Jacoby were said, and

644
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: King's loves are all under contract, which.

645
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Speaker 4: Has got to be very happy that I got mentioned,

646
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 4: which is.

647
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: True, right, Like things don't have to happen tomorrow. But

648
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: it's no secret that decisions have to be made, and

649
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: that's something that can't really be decided until a head

650
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: coach is decided. Right, So when you're talking about offensive

651
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: or defensive minded head coach, those are things that are

652
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Speaker 3: going to be coming up in these interviews. Part of

653
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Speaker 3: the conversation of what would you do? What interests you?

654
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: You know, A, B and C. What option are you choosing?

655
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Speaker 3: What is the plan of attack? And then you start

656
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Speaker 3: looking further down the rabbit hole of okay, let's say

657
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Speaker 3: you choose option C, Well, then what are what are

658
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: your options at quarterback? Right of you're talking draft free agencies.

659
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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of things that are going to

660
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: go into this head coaching decision. It's not so simple,

661
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: quote unquote simple as who's the right kind of leader,

662
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: who knows football, those kinds of things. It's it's going

663
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: to be a lot more nuanced this time around, with

664
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Speaker 3: so many question marks in the air.

665
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Speaker 2: All you thought the Carson Palmer was bad, here's the

666
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: thought Calvicy consulting the POLYPIGXKAN Division says, if you want

667
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: to throw other teams off the scent as to what

668
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: you're really gonna do with Kyler Murray, what you do

669
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: is you bring in Lincoln Riley for an interview and

670
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: you just float out there. We'll do it. We'll hire

671
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: his former Oklahoma head coach. We'll bring him in. We'll

672
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: reconstruct this offense around k one.

673
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Speaker 3: Darren, you want to share the name you shared with

674
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Speaker 3: me in our back room before we started podcasting as

675
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Speaker 3: a joke, I'm drawing blank Danny lane Kiffin.

676
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Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin. That's right.

677
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Speaker 3: I said, getting cultured would be very exciting.

678
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I told her, I said, lane Kiffin

679
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: might actually come in the studio with us and do

680
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Speaker 4: getting cultured.

681
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. All right, yeah, well, look, I believe

682
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Speaker 2: I forgot that. Here's the analogy that I'll throw out there.

683
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: And I get it. You're in a tough division and

684
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: there's a serious divide in the win loss records right now.

685
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: And as Mani said, and you know what, props to

686
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: the Cardinals GM for owning quite a bit during the

687
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: press conference. But as Michael Bidwell mentioned, he has flipped

688
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 2: the roster on what it's looked like versus three years ago.

689
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: I think it's tough to get a true sense of

690
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: this roster because the staggering amount of injuries. You know,

691
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna die on the hill, that is Mac

692
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: Wilson Senior. Just that loss of your quarterback on defense

693
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: just plummeting the d in so many different ways on

694
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: all three levels. You know. But you could also argue,

695
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: you know what, it was, Josh Sweat and Walter Nolan

696
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: is the only two players on the defensive side of

697
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: the ball that really affected the quarterback in a consistent manner.

698
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: So you got to improve that. Obviously, you got to

699
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 2: Khlais Campbell, Kalays.

700
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Speaker 3: Campbll we said to be a free agent, might retire,

701
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Speaker 3: but yes.

702
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Speaker 2: So here's the analogy I threw out there with Wolf.

703
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: It was late last season, New England comes to town.

704
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: Remember that game, week fifteen, sixteen, whatever it was, doesn't matter.

705
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: We're all looking at the roster, We're looking at the

706
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: flip card, and you're looking down on the field like,

707
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, this team is so beref to talent.

708
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: This might be the least talented team in the league.

709
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: There was Christian Gonzalez, who was a dude. And then

710
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: there was Drake May who was sort of coming into

711
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: his own the end of last year. And other than that,

712
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: you're like, this team is doomed. It's nuclear winner in

713
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: New England for like the next decade. What did they do?

714
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: They nailed the head coach and they nailed the quarterback

715
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: and then they went and rebuilt the offensive line and

716
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: look at New England. Now, now those are three huge ifs,

717
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: but the formula is there in my mind. Chicago, Chicago, sure.

718
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: Bringing the right coach bolster up that offensive line. Well,

719
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: things can quickly change.

720
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Speaker 4: And to that point, that's what Michael Bidwell was talking

721
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Speaker 4: about Monday. I had somebody reaching in the mailbag this

722
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 4: week and basically said they were disappointed JG was fired

723
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 4: in part because they didn't want to have to go

724
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Speaker 4: through another three year rebuild. Well, if you're listening to

725
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: what Michael Bidwin was talking about on Monday, that does

726
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 4: not sound like an owner who is willing to sit

727
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Speaker 4: through another three years.

728
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't take Liam Cohen three years, didn't take

729
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: Demico Ryans his first year was c J. Stroud three years.

730
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Speaker 2: If you can nail down a couple of key parts

731
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 2: of your team. There's certainly enough talent on both sides

732
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: of the ball if you can get quarterback and head

733
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: coach correct, especially since you now have at least two

734
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Speaker 2: elite weapons, and you hope you can unlock Marvin Harrison Junior,

735
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Speaker 2: and then you're gonna be one of the few teams

736
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 2: you can count on one hand who have a pair

737
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: of wide receiver ones. Devonte Adamspooking a coup on your

738
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: own division. You played against Jamar Chase and t Higgins.

739
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: Aren't that many teams, And then the best tight end

740
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Speaker 2: in the league. So for everything the Rams and the

741
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: Niners and the Seahawks have, they don't stink and have

742
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: two potential wide receiver ones. Well, the Rams do, but

743
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Speaker 2: then in addition to Trey McBride, you know Seattle as

744
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and Jigma well you know what else. And

745
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: the Niners have George Kittle. But so that is your

746
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: competitive advantage.

747
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Speaker 3: Is this the segue into the Cardinals having the third

748
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: overall pick in the draft this year? Poll, it's the

749
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: time for mock drafts.

750
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Speaker 2: I know, you know what I might throw at Carson Palmer,

751
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: but I'm not so crazy to go with mock drafts.

752
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: Not yet No, not on January.

753
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting. Maybe it's just because it hasn't been

754
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 3: on a team I've covered, But to have multiple teams

755
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: finished with the same record, you're going to have a

756
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: bit of a carousel, a rotation as to how the

757
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: picks are going to pan out in every round.

758
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, if you're tied, if you're tied in a record,

759
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 4: then it moves around for every pick. And I think

760
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 4: what the Cardinals are? What the second pick of the

761
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 4: three and thirteen teams? So in the second round they

762
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Speaker 4: will have the first pick of the second.

763
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Speaker 2: Round, double ding.

764
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Speaker 4: I like that, all right, Giants would go back to

765
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 4: the fourth because there's four teams, and in the third

766
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Speaker 4: round the Cardinals would be the fourth.

767
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Speaker 3: A lot of math. I don't need to worry about

768
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: some fourth closer to the draft.

769
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Speaker 4: Team teams, so the fifth pick and you just keep

770
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Speaker 4: rotating it.

771
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Speaker 2: By the way, this might be one of many things

772
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 2: I'm slow in the uptake here, but there's a lot

773
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: of talk that whoever takes the Giants head coaching gig

774
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 2: has like this franchise quarterback in waiting in Jackson Dark

775
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: you're not a believer in Jackson Dart has he already arrived.

776
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest. I didn't watch a lot of

777
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: Giants football this year. I didn't watch many Giants was

778
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: on that team, Paul, I get it, But you know

779
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: Foot was also pointed the wrong way last time I

780
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: saw him. So I'm not really sure what his timeline is.

781
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: But Marcel shipped, I mean, are we already putting down

782
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: that the Giants have their answer at quarterback for the

783
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: next decade? Really?

784
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 3: Jackson break Paul Well, I mean their last help was Russell.

785
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: Wilk Because if you're competing against the Giants for your

786
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: next head coach, I mean, is that how much of

787
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: a selling point is Jackson Dart. I guess that's okay.

788
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 4: I guess I would say I kind of like what

789
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: I saw from him. If he can stay healthy number

790
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 4: one and number two. I'm not saying he is the guy,

791
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: But the way you're talking, you're just automatic dismissing it.

792
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 4: What do you think he is like another Josh Rochen?

793
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: So is the Kyler Murray question a valid question? I've

794
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: done question what in terms of does he potentially have

795
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: a future with the Arizona Cardinals.

796
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 4: If all options are on the table, which is what

797
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: the general manager said. I can't see how that's not

798
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: one of them. Now, if you're giving percentages, I don't

799
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: know if that's the biggest percentage of all those options.

800
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 4: But again, there's a lot that has to be figured out.

801
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 4: With the Kyler Murray situation. He's making whatever it is,

802
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: thirty six million dollars guaranteed in twenty twenty six. He's

803
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 4: got on the fifth day of the league year, whatever

804
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 4: roster he's on. If he's got this contract, he's getting

805
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: over nineteen million dollars guaranteed for twenty twenty seven. So

806
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 4: there's a lot that has to be figured out in

807
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 4: terms of if you go forward with him, Like if

808
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 4: let's just say the very basic, you keep him and

809
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 4: he's your quarterback next year, you've you've you're already guaranteeing

810
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: him almost twenty million dollars for twenty t twenty seven,

811
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Speaker 4: no matter what happens, which is doable, like that's not

812
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 4: but at some point he's also going to be looking

813
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 4: for more guaranteed money, and where you're starting to talk

814
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: about a contract again, and like things get tangled up.

815
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Speaker 3: I agree, I don't think that's the highest percentage when

816
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 3: you're looking at all the options on the table. I

817
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: do think that number jumped now that it's going to

818
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: be a new head coach. You could very well get

819
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: a new coach in here that says, with all the

820
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: things that I'm going to have to do and the

821
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Speaker 3: adjustments that are going to have to be made, keeping

822
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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray gives us the best chance to win. Somebody

823
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: who's experienced, who's a good quarterback, who's familiar here. I

824
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Speaker 3: think that number jumped significantly. Again, not not the most

825
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: common of the options at this point, but I do

826
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Speaker 3: think that number is more likely now that you're going

827
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Speaker 3: to have a new head coach.

828
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Speaker 4: I would also say this, if this was twenty twenty

829
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Speaker 4: four and you're picking third, then that would have drastically

830
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Speaker 4: change the equation because there were so many good quarterbacks

831
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Speaker 4: at the top of that draft. This draft and the

832
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 4: lack of good quarterbacks and you can make I'm guessing

833
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 4: Fernando Mendoza is going to be a high pick, probably

834
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: number one overall. But does anybody see Fernando Mendoza at

835
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 4: this point being another Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow. I

836
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 4: don't think so, and it drops off precipitously from there,

837
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Speaker 4: I think. I know a lot of people are talking

838
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 4: about Dante Moore of Oregon, and I can't believe I'm

839
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 4: talking about draft picks.

840
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: But anyways, it's the most important position if in sports

841
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 2: you can talk well.

842
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 4: If Dante Moore comes out, you're talking about a guy

843
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: who's got barely any on field experience, and that usually

844
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: doesn't play out very well on the next level, at

845
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 4: least for a while.

846
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: So see Trey Lance and Anthony Richardson.

847
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: So you're talking about a situation where the Cardinals aren't

848
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 4: even picking third, aren't in a great spot. It doesn't

849
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: look like to find the quarterback of the future, at

850
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 4: least in the first round. Now you might take a

851
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 4: flyer on one later picking at the high point, you know,

852
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: picking second in round two Carson Beck knowing that the

853
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: Raiders probably will pick a quarterback number one in the

854
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: first round. So that but then you're then you're dealing

855
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 4: with quarter teams at the end of the first round

856
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 4: and and all that stuff.

857
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: Because new Raiders head coach Brian flores An offensive coordinator

858
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: Brian Dable, they're gonna need they're gonna need their guy.

859
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: They're gonna need their franchise quarterbacks.

860
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: So that's the with Tom Brady at the Helm. I

861
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: can't believe I held there and we have getting culture

862
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: and we don't have getting cultures. I can't talk about,

863
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: you know, insanely popular influencer Alex are All seeing canoodling

864
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: with Tom Brady and Saint Barts over New Year's Eve,

865
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: a month after announcing her breakup with Texans wide receiver

866
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Speaker 3: Braxton Barrios.

867
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Speaker 4: I mean, can you believe she can't talk about that?

868
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, she just doesn't get to say

869
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: anything about it.

870
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Wow. Okay, Well that's why social media

871
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: was created, so you can have a voice online.

872
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 4: Yes, good Yeah, because I'm the same way, like I

873
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 4: was disappointed we're not having a winning behavior today because

874
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 4: I really wanted to talk about the non winning behavior

875
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 4: of the Jets defense not getting an interception all season.

876
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: The last time that happened was in nineteen thirty three,

877
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 4: and all and the leading passer in the league in

878
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: nineteen thirty three had nine hundred and seventy three passing

879
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 4: yards and they probably only played like eleven games.

880
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: In your head, coach was known yes for interceptions. As

881
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: a former cornerback, but again.

882
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 4: We don't have getting cultured, we don't have winning behavior,

883
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 4: so we can't talk about those things.

884
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, anything else you feel the urgency to

885
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 2: discuss the opponents? I literally, by design have not looked

886
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: at next year's opponents. Whatsoever? Do you want to run

887
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: through them? Really quick? Home and away? Do you want

888
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: to run through beyond the division? Were the home opponents?

889
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: What are the away opponents? I purposely have not looked

890
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: at this yet.

891
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 4: I can do that for you, Paul, if you just

892
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 4: give me one moment.

893
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: And most importantly, just remember one thing you bought Homer Road. First,

894
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: there are only two kinds of games in the NFL.

895
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: It's not home or away. It's roof or no roof.

896
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: Oh well, and by the way, so far has a roof,

897
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: but it does not have climate control. And Danny, we

898
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 2: decided the collection of yours truly and the team docs

899
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: decided that the Rams game Week eight team was the

900
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: coldest game of the year.

901
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: It was chilly, which I mean, thank goodness, we have.

902
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: Really lucked out the last rogue seven degrees.

903
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: That year where we were in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and

904
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: Chicago in the winter and it wasn't horrible or we

905
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 3: got Buffalo week one and Green Bay early on. We

906
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: really have lucked out.

907
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: Okay, so we'll quickly go over this. I'm gonna go

908
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 4: with the roof home schedule first, Paul.

909
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: Because although remember the one time the Cardinals had the

910
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 3: roof open at home and Paul got hailed on.

911
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true, and then I realized, oh, idiots,

912
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: just step and then I was under the cover of

913
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: the roofline.

914
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 4: All right, home games Eagles, Commanders, Broncos, Raiders, Lions, Jets,

915
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 4: and then the three NFC West games.

916
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, say that again, real quick.

917
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 4: Home opponents Eagles, Commanders, Broncos, Raiders, Lions, Jets, and the

918
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 4: NFC West.

919
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: It's all or nothing. You're either really good or really bad.

920
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, really, and and well we'll see what happens. You

921
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 4: just got to telling me how Brian Flores is coaching

922
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 4: the Raiders. All right, road games, two very very possible,

923
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 4: freezing cold games when they are no Giants and the Chiefs.

924
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 4: So we'll see Kansas City sneaky freezing cold at the.

925
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: Time, totally overrated in every way. Kansas City. They do

926
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: not have anywhere close to the loudest venue and it

927
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: can be stinking cold.

928
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 4: Also play the Chargers on the road, the Saints again

929
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 4: so you're indoors there nice, and then the Cowboys which

930
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 4: has a roof, but we'll see if that game is

931
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: actually ends up in Dallas, but they have a roof,

932
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: and then the NFC West.

933
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's go. Let's rewind that a little bit,

934
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: the Dallas game.

935
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: If it's an international game. Oh, I see, okay, I

936
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: don't think I've been to Sofi for a Chargers game.

937
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: So we'll go to.

938
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: We'll go to twice, once for the Chargers, once for

939
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 3: the Rams. I'm not surprised that I don't think Kansas

940
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: City is cold in a sneaky way. I mean, I

941
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 3: lived in Missouri for four years. It did not surprise

942
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 3: me that Missouri gets cold.

943
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 4: Oh I see what you're saying, it's not it's cold.

944
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm well sneaky.

945
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm well aware of how cold that is.

946
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 4: Like how you speaking of sneaky? I like how you

947
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 4: snuck in that you went to Missouri.

948
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: Is there gonna be an international game this year in Venezuela?

949
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: Considering recent events for all right, too soon, let's see

950
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: here in terms of the off season checklist.

951
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 4: He just messed himself up.

952
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: I don't even know where I'm going on, you know,

953
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: I guess this would be a good time to uh.

954
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: Darren already mentioned it doesn't need further clarification as to

955
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: who finished a top the Weekly Picked Standing board.

956
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 4: I just want to know, since I've been telling Cody

957
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 4: the whole time I hated the picks.

958
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: This year with a Hall finished with one hundred and

959
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 3: sixty two wins, Darren one hundred and sixty one. Myself

960
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: won fifty three, so I made improvements from last year.

961
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: But again, this is like the leaderboard with an asterisk there.

962
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: Because Paul cheated one.

963
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: Week, I was ready, you know, truth be told TBH

964
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: is a kid saying I was going to I was

965
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: already with my excuses, you know, because I thought I

966
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: completely tanked Week eighteen. I'm like, you know, it's not fair.

967
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: You don't know who's playing, you don't know if they're

968
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: playing hard. We all have the same issues. It's like

969
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: August all over again in Week eighteen. How are you

970
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: supposed to pick the games?

971
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 4: Oh?

972
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: Bit a minute. I actually went nine to six and

973
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: won by a single game, and.

974
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: Wise guy Darren had fifteen wins. Three Oh no, do

975
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: you think I'll be able to remember when we pick

976
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: that up that Darren was our reigning champ.

977
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: Oh man, I don't know.

978
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 3: Three wins went absolutely nothing.

979
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: Three win seasons beget change. We'll see what happens.

980
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 4: I'm going to have withdrawal.

981
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: No, that's it was wise guy nightmares exactly. All right,

982
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 2: So there you go, unless we want to add anyone

983
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: else to the list. You know, it's a free country.

984
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 4: I had.

985
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: I had a Carson Palmer on Lincoln Riley. Do you

986
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: guys Josh McCown and Josh McCown from Darren? Okay, all right,

987
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: that's cool. We're gonna you know, why not? Everyone has

988
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: their own list, you know. I mean, you can't be

989
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: wrong unless.

990
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 4: Jam you want to throw anybody out there just for

991
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: the fun of it. Oh, I said Lane Kiffin. Two.

992
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 3: No, please, I say this if for anybody listening, joking only,

993
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: we're already paying Cliff Kingsbury. He's available, He's available.

994
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 4: It is amazing now he's him advanced back together, gets

995
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 4: the band back together.

996
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: If you believe the reports, it was a mutual agreement

997
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: that he split ways with Washington. It is amazing when

998
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: you're still getting paid a head coach's salary. How you

999
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: can just take or leave a gig and not have

1000
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: to worry about it.

1001
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 4: Although all the reports that I saw it might have

1002
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: been parting mutual, but it sounded like if Cliff wasn't

1003
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 4: going to be mutual that he was probably out.

1004
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: Anyways, I get you, by the way, am I the

1005
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: only one? Can you see Cliff being the next head

1006
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: coach in Tennessee? Cliff Kingsbury in Nashville? Is that not

1007
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: a good fit? That is a good fit, is it not.

1008
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: We're talking as a person like his personality.

1009
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: The whole thing, the whole vibe.

1010
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 4: You know, I could see that.

1011
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: That'll do it for this edition of Cardinals Underground presented

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