WEBVTT - Dancing Molecules and a Plywood Miracle!

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, it's Mango here. With summer winding down, we

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<v Speaker 1>are taking a little break, but we will be back

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<v Speaker 1>with brand new episodes starting September ninth, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>been working hard on so many fun episodes this summer.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot wait for you to listen to them. In

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime, we are re airing our countdown of the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five greatest science ideas of the past twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 1>This list was so joyous to make. Mary and Gabe

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<v Speaker 1>did all this extra research for it. We pulled in

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<v Speaker 1>the show. The whole thing is bizarre and delightful and

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating and joyous, and honestly, I just hope you enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what, Mango, What's that will? It's day four of

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<v Speaker 2>our countdown of the twenty five greatest science ideas from

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<v Speaker 2>the past twenty five years. Can you believe it? Just

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<v Speaker 2>a few short days ago it was day one of

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<v Speaker 2>our twenty five Greatest Science Ideas of the past twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five years.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure you know you're doing something right when

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<v Speaker 1>you've got four sequels.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean by that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, George Lucas stars Star Wars basically with the fourth film, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Henry the fourth was such an interesting king that Shakespeare

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a play about him. But you didn't even bother

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<v Speaker 1>with Henry the Third.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>And Rush Hour four was so good it made Toy

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<v Speaker 1>Story two seem like Spider Man three.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure you're just saying things now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, but maybe you should just get into

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<v Speaker 1>the episode. Today we are covering ideas eight through five,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you want to know what makes the Stratavarius

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<v Speaker 1>sound so good, how a HeLa monster is helping the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and why a single injection might help paralyze people walk again,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna love this one. Let's dive in.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, their podcast listeners, welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Will Pearson, and of course I'm here with my friend

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<v Speaker 2>Mangush hot ticketter and over there in the booth gazing

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<v Speaker 2>wistfully at a portrait of David Dukovney. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>where he got this thing, but it's an interesting portrait.

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<v Speaker 2>It's our Palin producer, Dylan Fagan. Now, Mango, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell if this has anything to do with today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>They just like slax Files apparently.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, well enjoy that, Dylan.

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<v Speaker 2>But all right, well, let's get back to the countdown.

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<v Speaker 2>So one day in the early two thousands, a man

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<v Speaker 2>named Kai Ching Lee was strolling down in Oregon beach right,

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<v Speaker 2>and Lee is an engineering professor at Oregon State University,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was just enjoying his walk washing the Pacific Ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>just waves roll in and now, and suddenly he noticed

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<v Speaker 2>something along the coast. There were hundreds of mussels clinging

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<v Speaker 2>to rocks, and Lee was impressed with their strength. No

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<v Speaker 2>matter how violent the waves were, no matter how strong

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<v Speaker 2>the pull of the tide was, the muscles just stayed

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<v Speaker 2>in place there and when he actually tried pulling one away,

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't budget and that got Lee thinking about plywood.

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<v Speaker 2>M had he also been to an Ikea recently.

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<v Speaker 1>That might have I mean, maybe I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do know that plywood is everywhere, not just furniture

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<v Speaker 1>and cabinets, but also walls, boats, fencing, toys, and for

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<v Speaker 1>good reason. Like plywood is super affordable because instead of

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<v Speaker 1>a single solid chunk of wood, it's made from thin

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<v Speaker 1>layers together into a slab.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But it turns out the glue that holds the plywood

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<v Speaker 1>together is really kind of nasty. It's often made with

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<v Speaker 1>formaldehyde and other chemicals that you don't want to breathe in.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, there's research suggesting that people who work

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<v Speaker 1>in plywood manufacturing plants are at increased risk of developing

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<v Speaker 1>leukemia and other cancers. And that's what Kaiching Lee was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about that day on the beach. How to make

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<v Speaker 1>a better, safer plywood glue.

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<v Speaker 2>And if muscles can stick themselves to rocks, maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>could stick wood together too. Yeah, so muscles.

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<v Speaker 1>Natural adhesive has two big advantages over traditional plywood glues.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, it's non toxic, and secondly, it's waterproof.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you've ever gotten plywood furniture wet. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what a pain it can be because if the water

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<v Speaker 1>isn't dried quickly, the wood layers can start peeling. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a known problem with industrial adhesives, like many of

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<v Speaker 1>them lose their stickiness in the presence of water, but

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<v Speaker 1>not muscle glue.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but how do you get glue out of a muscle?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a good question. So Lee realized right away

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<v Speaker 1>that would be difficult and expensive, not to mention unpleasant

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<v Speaker 1>for the muscles. But he headed to his lab to

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<v Speaker 1>see if he could cook up a synthetic version of

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<v Speaker 1>the muscle glue, and one day, while he was eating

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<v Speaker 1>his lunch, he had another light bulb moment. He realized, soybeans.

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<v Speaker 2>I love how this daily life was just handing him

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<v Speaker 2>the scientific answers that he needed.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it's just inspiration is everywhere anyway. People have

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<v Speaker 1>been making adhesis from soy for decades. The problem is

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<v Speaker 1>soy based glues tend to be weak and they're not waterproof.

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<v Speaker 1>But Lee knew that soybean, flower and muscle glue were

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<v Speaker 1>made from similar makeup of proteins and amino acids, and

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<v Speaker 1>he wondered, what if I altered the chemical profile of

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<v Speaker 1>soybean glue to make it more like the kind made

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<v Speaker 1>by muscles. So, with the help of a grant from

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<v Speaker 1>the USDA, Lee started tinkering with soy's chemical makeup and

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<v Speaker 1>by modifying the amino acids and the bean, he successfully

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<v Speaker 1>created an adhesive that was just his waterproof and just

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<v Speaker 1>as strong as the glue made by muscles. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the soybean based glue was twice as sticky as hot glue,

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<v Speaker 1>three times stronger than Elmer's glue, and had about the

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<v Speaker 1>same adhesive power as contact cement.

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<v Speaker 2>And has this revolutionized the plywood industry or what? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's definitely changed things. Like Lee presented his discovery

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<v Speaker 1>to Columbia Forest Products. They're a major plywood manufacturer, and

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<v Speaker 1>they quickly signed on. So fast forward to today. The

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<v Speaker 1>company has converted all of its factories from formaldehyde glues

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<v Speaker 1>to soy and pollition rates that some of these plants

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<v Speaker 1>have dropped by as much as ninety percent. Wow, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that insane? And other companies have joined them too, So

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<v Speaker 1>today soy based plywood is an option at most hardware

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<v Speaker 1>and home improvement stores. Other big companies like Ikea and

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<v Speaker 1>General motors now use soy for some of their plywood

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<v Speaker 1>products because it's safer, stronger, and better for the planet. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>in honor of Lee's incredible discovery that changed home DIY forever,

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<v Speaker 1>we're running a contest on Instagram today. We're giving away

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<v Speaker 1>a home Depot gift certificate, and our want to make

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<v Speaker 1>by Home Depot, But head over to Instagram at part

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So I'd like to dedicate this next one

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<v Speaker 2>to all the violinists who have dreamed of owning a

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<v Speaker 2>Stratavius violin but can't stomach the instruments two million dollar

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<v Speaker 2>price tag. They're just not that serious about it, Magnant.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want to spend the two million So here

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<v Speaker 2>we Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to know how many professional violinists listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the show, But two million dollars is obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>steep price tag for a three hundred year old violin

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<v Speaker 1>that you're probably too scared to play anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, but thanks to research from Swiss arborist Franz Schwartz,

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<v Speaker 2>there's now a cheaper alternative. And while the new instruments

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<v Speaker 2>don't carry the distinction of having been crafted by Italy's

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<v Speaker 2>most revered violin maker, they do boast a tone quality

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<v Speaker 2>that many experts consider to be just as good and

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<v Speaker 2>in some cases may be better. A claim that might

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<v Speaker 2>seem stunning enough, but the real shock is who's responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for the superior sound? Are you ready for this?

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<v Speaker 1>It's fungus, like Geseppe fungus, the famous Italian violin maker. Nope, nope,

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<v Speaker 1>actual fungus that infested the wood used to make the instruments.

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<v Speaker 1>It is totally bizarre because in most cases, a fungal

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<v Speaker 1>attack destroys wood cell walls and it results in this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of loose soft wood that doesn't sound very pleasant

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<v Speaker 1>if it's made into an instrument. But as Schwartz discovered

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<v Speaker 1>in the late two thousands, there are rare cases where

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<v Speaker 1>fungal infections have a milder effect on the wood's density

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<v Speaker 1>and actually make it sound better. So what happens is

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<v Speaker 1>they thin out the wood cells structure just enough to

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<v Speaker 1>improve its acoustic properties. And so how did he figure

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<v Speaker 1>this out? Exactly like do arboris just go around knocking

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<v Speaker 1>on trees to see what sounds they make.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that's not how they describe it, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of like that. Scientists really do bounce sound

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<v Speaker 2>waves off of trees to gauge their health. The funkier

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<v Speaker 2>the echo, the more widespread the wood rot and so

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<v Speaker 2>Franz Schwartz was using this method himself when he hatched

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<v Speaker 2>the idea for his bungle violin. He wondered how gentler

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of fungus might affect the sound of a wooden instrument,

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<v Speaker 2>so he partnered with Swiss violin maker Michael Ronheimer to

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<v Speaker 2>find out. Now, they selected two different species of wood

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<v Speaker 2>eating fungi for the job, and while I won't bother

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<v Speaker 2>to pronounce their scientific names, I can tell you their

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<v Speaker 2>nicknames their rusty crust and dead mule's fingers. So those

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<v Speaker 2>are both pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure which is grosser, but I think I'd

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<v Speaker 1>go with rusty crust.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the right answer. But anyway, the top plate

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<v Speaker 2>of the violin, which was made of spruce, was inoculated

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<v Speaker 2>with rusty crust, and on the bottom, the sycamore plate

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<v Speaker 2>was treated with dead mule's fingers. Both plates were submerged

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<v Speaker 2>in a box of water to stimulate the fungui's growth,

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<v Speaker 2>and a few months later, after killing off the spores,

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<v Speaker 2>Ronheimer put the two halves together to create the world's

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<v Speaker 2>first bio violin. So Schwartz was blown away by the

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<v Speaker 2>instrument's sound, which he described as warmer and rounder than

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<v Speaker 2>that of a conventional violin, and he was so pleased

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<v Speaker 2>with it that he decided to stage a blind sound

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<v Speaker 2>test at an annual forestry conference in Germany. So on

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<v Speaker 2>September first, two thousand and nine, a jury of acoustics

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<v Speaker 2>experts and conference attendees. They listened carefully as British violinist

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew Trussler played five different instruments from behind the curtain.

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<v Speaker 2>Four of the violins were made by Ronheimer, two of

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<v Speaker 2>them with fungus treated wood and the other two with

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<v Speaker 2>untreated wood from the same trees. But the fifth instrument

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<v Speaker 2>came from Trustler's own collection, a violin made by Antonio

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<v Speaker 2>Strativeris himself way back in seventeen eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess the goal was to identify which one

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<v Speaker 1>was the true strad in the mix.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. So attendees were asked to rank the

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<v Speaker 2>sound of each instrument they heard and to guess which

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<v Speaker 2>one of them was over three hundred years old. Schwartz

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<v Speaker 2>later admitted that as good as they sounded, he never

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<v Speaker 2>expected one of the fungal violins to be confused for

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<v Speaker 2>a multi million dollar instrument, But in the end, that

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<v Speaker 2>is exactly what happened. Out of more than one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and eighty attendees, one hundred and thirteen of them thought

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<v Speaker 2>that one of Ronheimer's violins, which had been covered with

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<v Speaker 2>fungi for nine months, was produced by Stratu Areas.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't It wasn't even close.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, the real strat came in a distant second,

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<v Speaker 2>but the other fungus violin claiming third place, and the

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<v Speaker 2>two untreated instruments pulling up the rear, so like it

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<v Speaker 2>really does show the difference that it made.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I get that like a fungus could change

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<v Speaker 1>the wood and the sound of a violin, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are they comparable to Stratavarius.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good question, and honestly, no one can really

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<v Speaker 2>say for sure why is violin sound as good as

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<v Speaker 2>they do. The best guess is that it's due to

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<v Speaker 2>the weather in Italy during his lifetime. So Strata Areas

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<v Speaker 2>happened to live through what people knew as Central Europe's

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<v Speaker 2>Little Ice Age. This happened in the seventeenth century, and

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<v Speaker 2>it brought long winters and cool summers to the region.

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<v Speaker 2>So the unusually chilly temperatures would have slowed the cell

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<v Speaker 2>growth of the local trees there, causing their wood to

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<v Speaker 2>develop more slowly and uniformly, which was the perfect recipe

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<v Speaker 2>for producing wood with stellar acoustics. So, according to Schwartz,

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<v Speaker 2>the fungi treatment he used was able to recreate that

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<v Speaker 2>same ideal structure.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really cool, But if a fungus violin produces a

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<v Speaker 1>richer sound, why don't they do that for all violins now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, partly because not every violin needs the same tonal

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<v Speaker 2>quality as the strativarius, like, it's nice to have different options,

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<v Speaker 2>But the main reason is that Schwartz and his colleagues

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<v Speaker 2>are still working out the details on how you'd actually

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<v Speaker 2>mass produce these Once they do. The plan is to

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<v Speaker 2>sell the instruments for about thirty thousand dollars each, which

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a lot, but it's actually about what you'd

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<v Speaker 2>pay for other high quality violence and a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Less than two million dollars definitely, you're good at math.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to pause for a quick break, but we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back with more great science ideas right after. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to part time genius listeners, and we are counting

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<v Speaker 1>down to number Okay, So I'm not going to beat

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<v Speaker 1>around the bush on this one. This research totally blew

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<v Speaker 1>my mind. So scientists and Northwestern University have developed a

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<v Speaker 1>new treatment for spinal cord injuries that allowed paralyzed mice

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<v Speaker 1>to walk again after a single injection. Not only that,

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<v Speaker 1>the treatment has loads of other applications, potentially impacting the

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<v Speaker 1>way we treat everything from bone loss to neurodegenerative diseases

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<v Speaker 1>like Alzheimer's. I can't be I've never heard of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it sounds like a real life cure. All yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's still early days from the research perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>The team's big breakthrough was only back in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>but so far the data is really incredible and promising.

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<v Speaker 1>So just to give a little background on why this

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<v Speaker 1>is such a big deal, they're currently about three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people living with a spinal cord injury in the

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<v Speaker 1>US alone, and in the most severe case is less

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<v Speaker 1>than three percent of them will ever recover any basic

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<v Speaker 1>physical functions. The reason for that is that the neurons

0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.000
<v Speaker 1>in their spinal cords have been completely severed, and thus

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<v Speaker 1>far as scientists haven't been able to find therapeutics that

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<v Speaker 1>can successfully trigger spinal cord regeneration. But that changed with

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<v Speaker 1>the study from Northwestern University. So researchers were able to

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<v Speaker 1>reverse paralysis in mice by injecting them with something they

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<v Speaker 1>called dancing molecules.

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<v Speaker 2>I've actually never heard of that either, so I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 2>So are the molecules themselves dancing or is it that

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<v Speaker 2>they can restore the mouse's ability to dance? What are

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<v Speaker 2>we referring to?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so no word on whether the mice can dance

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<v Speaker 1>before or after the treatment, but the molecules that were

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<v Speaker 1>injected absolutely can dance. So after being injected as a liquid,

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<v Speaker 1>the molecules coalesced to form tiny synthetic nanofibers that surround

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<v Speaker 1>the spinal cord. And the fibers were composed of tens

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<v Speaker 1>of hundreds of thousands of molecules, and the researchers found

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<v Speaker 1>that by changing their chemical structure, they could control them

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<v Speaker 1>molecules collective motion. This allowed them to fine tune the

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<v Speaker 1>synthetic molecules movements, speeding them up to match the motion

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<v Speaker 1>of biological molecules within the spinal cord. It turned out

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<v Speaker 1>that the most hyperactive molecules, the ones that were dancing

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<v Speaker 1>the most, were able to connect more effectively with receptors

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<v Speaker 1>in neurons and other cells.

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<v Speaker 2>So once the molecules made that connection, they were able

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<v Speaker 2>to like tell the cells to repair the damage neurons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the dancing molecules triggered two bioactive signals. The

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<v Speaker 1>first prompted the tails of the neurons to regenerate and

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<v Speaker 1>that effectively restored communication between the body and the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>And the second signal promoted the regrowth of lost blood

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<v Speaker 1>cells that feed the neurons and other cells related to

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<v Speaker 1>tissue repair. And the result of this intervention was that

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<v Speaker 1>after just four weeks, these paralyzed mice could regain the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to walk.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is just stunning. Yeah, and it's also kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a testament to the power of dance if you think

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<v Speaker 2>about it, because it sounds like the approach didn't work

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<v Speaker 2>so well when they tried it with more slow, guish molecules.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that souped up molecular motion really was the key

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<v Speaker 1>factor in all of this. The cells and receptors within

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<v Speaker 1>the body are constantly moving, so once the team was

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<v Speaker 1>able to match that speed or vibration, the fast moving

0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:16.840
<v Speaker 1>molecules encountered the receptors much more often, and that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>them to send their signals again and again. The breakthrough

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<v Speaker 1>therapy actually has obvious implications for improving the spinal injuries

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<v Speaker 1>of both humans and animals, but there's reasons to hope

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<v Speaker 1>that the underlying discovery could also be used in other treatments,

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<v Speaker 1>as we allude to before. According to the studies, lead

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<v Speaker 1>researchers Samuel Stupp quote, the central nervous system tissues we

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<v Speaker 1>have successfully regenerated in the injured spinal cord are similar

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<v Speaker 1>to those in the brain affected by stroke and neurodegenerative

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<v Speaker 1>diseases such as als, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. Beyond that, our

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental discovery about controlling the motion of molecular assemblies to

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<v Speaker 1>enhance cells signaling could be applied universally across biomedical targets.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they're thinking that could fine tune molecules to

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<v Speaker 2>match the motion of other damage cells, not just the

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<v Speaker 2>ones in the spinal cord exactly. And the most amazing

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<v Speaker 2>part is they've already done it. So just last year,

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<v Speaker 2>the team from Northwestern applied their strategy to damaged human

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<v Speaker 2>cartilage cells and they found some success. Now, normally there's

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<v Speaker 2>no way for humans to regenerate the tissues in our

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<v Speaker 2>joints once we reach adulthood. So if you have a

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<v Speaker 2>disease in which cartilage breaks down over time, you eventually

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<v Speaker 2>get to a point where the bone is grinding against

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<v Speaker 2>the bone with no cushion between them. And currently the

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<v Speaker 2>only treatment for this is joint replacement surgery, which is

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<v Speaker 2>extremely invasive and also very expensive. But once again, the

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<v Speaker 2>team here has found a much better solution. So using

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<v Speaker 2>their injectable therapy, they were able to spur cartilage regeneration

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<v Speaker 2>in damage cells within just a matter of days. And

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<v Speaker 2>once again, it was the molecules dancing that triggered the process.

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<v Speaker 2>So building on that second success, the team's next goal

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<v Speaker 2>is to test the therapy's effectiveness at regenerating bone and

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<v Speaker 2>from there, the sky's limit because, as Stupp explained, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>now we have observed the effects in two cell types

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<v Speaker 2>that are completely disconnected from one another. Cartilage cells in

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<v Speaker 2>our joints and neurons in our brain and spinal cord.

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<v Speaker 2>This makes me more confident that we might have discovered

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<v Speaker 2>a universal phenomena and it could be applied to many

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<v Speaker 2>other tissues. That really is amazing. So what's the status

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<v Speaker 2>of the spinal cord repair?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Have they been able to test this in humans yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Fortunately not. The team's been petitioning the FDA for approval

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<v Speaker 1>to start clinical trials, but so far it's yet to

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<v Speaker 1>be granted.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I hope it does come through sooner rather than later,

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<v Speaker 2>and it sounds like something that could seriously change people's

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<v Speaker 2>lives and of course the lives of mice as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll have them all dancing again soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Why. Well, our next breakthrough is a reminder that medical

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<v Speaker 2>advances can truly come from anywhere, even from inside the

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<v Speaker 2>mouth of a venomous lizard. Now we know this for

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<v Speaker 2>a fact thanks to the work of doctor John Aang.

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<v Speaker 2>He's an endocrinologist and VA researcher who found a way

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<v Speaker 2>to stimulate the insulin producing cells and the pain creas

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<v Speaker 2>using a hormone found in wait for it, the saliva

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<v Speaker 2>of a HeLa monster.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's no way to make that not

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<v Speaker 1>sound crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, just to be clear, helo monsters are not,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact spased monsters or aliens. They're big, desert dwelling

0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.800
<v Speaker 2>lizards native to the southwestern United States. They can grow

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<v Speaker 2>to be about twenty inches in length and are easy

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<v Speaker 2>to recognize thanks to their splotchy orange and black coloring. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's rare to see one in person, though, since they

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<v Speaker 2>spend about ninety percent of their lives underground and only

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<v Speaker 2>come to the surface when it's time to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you dc one, you should probably clear away, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're pretty venomous.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you really don't want to mess with one of

0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.960
<v Speaker 2>these guys. They have a pretty powerful bite, and because

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<v Speaker 2>their main defense is to pump you full of venom,

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<v Speaker 2>they tend to hang on to whatever they chomp on

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<v Speaker 2>for as long as possible. And the venom glends are

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<v Speaker 2>inside their mouths obviously, right, Yeah, and they're lower jaws

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. The longer a helo monster clamps down,

0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.159
<v Speaker 2>the more venom is injected through their teeth and into

0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.400
<v Speaker 2>the bite wound. It was unfortunate enough to have been bitten, say,

0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.879
<v Speaker 2>the venom stings like molten lava. So these people have

0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:09.040
<v Speaker 2>not only been bitten, but they also have experienced molten lava.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently they are unlucky people rough, But for people with

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<v Speaker 2>type two diabetes, it actually can be a lifesaver.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is wild. So how did doctor Ng even think

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<v Speaker 1>to try this? Like, like, why was messing around with

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<v Speaker 1>HeLa monster spit? Like h the first thing you was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually wondered that too. But keep in mind that

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<v Speaker 2>medications derived from animal venom aren't that unusual. Sure, the

0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.680
<v Speaker 2>venom of snakes, scorpions, spiders, even the world's only other

0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:41.520
<v Speaker 2>venomous lizard, the kmodo dragon. They've all contributed to different

0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.520
<v Speaker 2>treatments over the years, and some of the existing research

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<v Speaker 2>is what convinced doctor Ng that HeLa monsters might be

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<v Speaker 2>helpful for treating diabetes. So let's go back to the

0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.040
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties when doctor Ng was practicing as a physician

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<v Speaker 2>and a researcher at the VA Hospital in the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 2>He was working to discover new animal hormones with medical potential,

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<v Speaker 2>and since he was an endocrinologist, he was especially interested

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<v Speaker 2>in ones that might treat diabetes. This eventually led him

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<v Speaker 2>to an article from the National Institutes of Health about

0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the effects of certain snake and lizard venoms on the pancreas.

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<v Speaker 2>Studies showed that some venoms, including that of the HeLa monster,

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<v Speaker 2>could trigger inflammation in the pancreas where insulin is produced.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this convinced doctor Ing that the HeLa monster venom

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<v Speaker 2>was worth a closer look, and so in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>two he discovered a new hormone in the animal salivam,

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<v Speaker 2>which he called extendin iv. Now. When he tested the

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<v Speaker 2>compound on mice, he was shocked to find that it

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<v Speaker 2>reduced their blood glucose levels by stimulating the insulin producing

0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.520
<v Speaker 2>cells in the pancreas. In fact, it worked very similarly

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<v Speaker 2>to the GLP one hormone found in the digestive tract

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<v Speaker 2>of humans, but with one other important difference. Extending four

0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.520
<v Speaker 2>degraded in the body much slower, so for reference, a

0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.520
<v Speaker 2>diabetic would have to inject GOLP one every hour to

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.560
<v Speaker 2>keep an effective amount of insulin in the bloodstream, but

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<v Speaker 2>extending four would only need to be injected once a day,

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<v Speaker 2>which obviously sounds like a game changer. It absolutely was,

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<v Speaker 2>but unfortunately it took quite a while for doctor Ng's

0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.680
<v Speaker 2>discovery to get the attention it deserved. Although the VA

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.959
<v Speaker 2>had funded his initial research, it showed very little interest

0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 2>in his findings, and neither did big pharmam. Injecting diabetics

0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:20.679
<v Speaker 2>with proteins from lizard venom was just kind of deemed

0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.200
<v Speaker 2>too weird for mainstream medicine, so doctor Ang's research wound

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<v Speaker 2>up languishing for years until this small biotech startup with

0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 2>a focus on diabetes finally took notice. So the resulting drug, exenotide,

0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.760
<v Speaker 2>was approved by the FDA in two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's now used by millions of diabetic patients worldwide.

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<v Speaker 1>I do love that these like venomous lizard creatures are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these things that like everyone is afraid of,

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<v Speaker 1>are responsible for saving humans lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they don't even know it, the lizards or

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<v Speaker 2>the people. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, the lizards might not be too happy about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I read that HeLa monster numbers are way down in

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<v Speaker 1>recent years because we keep destroying their habitats, and if

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.560
<v Speaker 1>we aren't careful, we might lose those little guys completely.

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<v Speaker 2>Which would be a huge loss, even from a self

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<v Speaker 2>serving perspective. I mean, if they prove this to be

0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:13.960
<v Speaker 2>useful in humans wants. Who's to say other medical secrets

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<v Speaker 2>might be hiding in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think it's kind of a branding problem. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if we renamed them HeLa cuds instead of Heala monsters,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like they'd have more of a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great idea. Maybe we should push

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Pearson and me Mongas Chatikler and research by our good

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<v Speaker 1>pal Mary Philip Sandy. Today's episode was engineered and produced

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<v Speaker 1>by the wonderful Dylan Fagan with support from Tyler Klang.

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<v Speaker 1>The show is Executive produced for iHeart by Katrina Norvell

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