1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: We shouldn't as Democrats be a power in the Republicans. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: President Trump was secure to smash conventional norms. I would 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: rather see a congressional solution. It's part of my DNA. 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: He's Bloomberg Sound one on Bloomberg two. All right, here 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: we go, pandemic day one of the fifteen days that 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: President Trump has called for. I'm Kevin Cirelli, chief Washington 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. We have we're 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: gonna break down everything. Treasury Secretary Stephen Manuchian announcing that 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: he wants to have a massive, massive economic stimulus. He 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: was up on Capitol Hill earlier today. The market reaction, 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: we have that covered as well, and all of the 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: latest as America continues to grapple with this pandemic. Day 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: one of the fifteen days. And uh, we're super grateful 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: to have Anna Edgerton, Bloomberg Politics editor, to join us 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: via telephone. Anna to break down with the White House 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: is now pushing. Uh. Today, President Trump pushing a one 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: point to trillion dollars stimulus, one thousand dollar checks in 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: two weeks. I'm going to read from from our colleagues 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: reporting the Trump administration is discussing a plan that could 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: amount to as much as one point to trillion dollars 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: in spending, including direct payments of a thousand dollars or 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: more two Americans within two weeks to blunt some of 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: the economic impacts of the widening coronavirus outbreak. Minution has 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: pitched two hundred and fifty billion dollars in checks to 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: be sent at the end of April, with a second 26 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: set of checks totaling five hundred billion a month later. 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: And this is unprecedented. What are you gathering from what capital? 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: Is there an appetite for this on Capitol Hill? It 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: is imprecedented, And we get the impression from speaking to 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: lawmakers that they understand just the gravity of this situation. 31 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of a multifaceted crisis that we 32 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: really haven't seen in the United States or in the world. 33 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: On the one hand, you have the health crisis. You're 34 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: making sure that bowl stay in their homes, work from 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: home as much as they can, and try not to 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: spread this virus. On the other hand, you have the 37 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: economics fallout from people doing exactly that. So this is 38 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: a crisis that really requires an unprecedented response, and it's 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: hard to see how these individual measures will help. But 40 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: there's an understanding that it really needs to be big 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: and bold and really unlike anything we've seen before. Mnutian said, 42 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: it's a big number. Uh, this is a very big 43 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: situation in this economy. We put a proposal on the 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: table that would inject a trillion dollars into the economy. 45 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: President Trump earlier today saying, just as much you said, 46 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: we have to be big and folks, if you're if 47 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: you're listening to us, over the next couple of days, 48 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: at least, we're not gonna be able to play sound 49 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: bites because our colleagues are working tirelessly at home to 50 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: make sure that we can get to air. So you know, 51 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: I wish I could play for the for you that. 52 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have to be reading some of those 53 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 1: quotes now. Uh. Secretary Venition also said, quote, Americans need 54 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: hash now, and the President wants to give cash now, 55 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: and I mean now in the next two weeks. There's 56 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: been so much I don't think, I mean, there's just 57 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: been so this story has just been booming in terms 58 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: of the scope of it and the magnitude of it. 59 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: When do you think or what else might we see 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: from lawmakers up on Capitol Hill. Well, you know, we 61 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: had the they's talk about three phases. You know. The 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: first phase was the initial roughly eight billion dollars at 63 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: both chambers of Congress passed and the Trump's sign into law. 64 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: Then we have the House build that was focused on 65 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: things like paid sick leave to help people stay home 66 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: if they if they needed to, if they felt like 67 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 1: they had symptoms, and expanded some Medicaid options for low 68 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: income families. That how bill has passed the House and 69 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: expected to pass this in it today or tomorrow. And 70 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: this is the third phase that we're talking about this morning. 71 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: Manution's first estimate was that it would be eight hundred 72 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: and fifty billion dollars. By the afternoon he was up 73 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: to one point two trillion dollars. So there is kind 74 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: of a realization that this is going to grow as 75 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: the need becomes apparent. And that's what we're going to 76 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: be watching for, you know, both the scope and the 77 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: individual measures that could be included. And what what are 78 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: you hearing in terms of what folks are saying about 79 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 1: just providing immediate relief to temporary workers, to part time workers, 80 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: to workers who are working in restaurants, to folks who 81 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: are just we're immediately feeling the economic brunt of this. Well, 82 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: that's the tricky thing. And that's what makes this different 83 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: than like two thousand, two thousand nine, is that it's 84 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: not one sector that's affected. You know, it's not like 85 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: you can give a bailout to the financial sector and 86 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: and help whether the storm. This affects all kinds of people, 87 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: small businesses, individuals, and the idea of something like these 88 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: direct cash handouts is really to be a bridge for 89 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: people and for businesses so that they don't have to 90 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, default on loans, you fire employees, lay off 91 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: more workers, so that they can kind of nake it 92 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: through the shock of these weeks as we're all self 93 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: distancing and and drawing down consumer spending and quickly ramped 94 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: back up the economy when we get through it. You know, 95 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: even beyond that, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says that 96 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: they're not going to leave town until they've constructed and 97 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: passed another bill. Uh And and clearly this is something 98 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: that Secretary Monition wants to see done, wants to see executed. 99 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: Is there divide at all is there partisant bickering on this, 100 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: I would hope not. That's a that's a good question, 101 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: and you know, unfortunately there is still some partisans agreement, 102 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: although the dumb enough to to try to keep people 103 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: from getting cash in the middle of a global pandemic. 104 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear these names go ahead. And well, 105 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: the problem is that, you know Mitch McConnell, who's the 106 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: Senate majority leader Republicans control the Senate. He said that 107 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: he's going to set up these taskports that are going 108 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: to be working with anuition to develop this proposal, but 109 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: no Democrats are included on that. He said, once they 110 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: developed their proposal, then they'll take it to the Democrats 111 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: and try to make sure that there's some kind of compromise. 112 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: So it's really a question of process. You know, from 113 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: the beginning, it would be better if this were a 114 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: bipartisan effort, but McConnell made it clear that he's going 115 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: to do his Republican bill, then take it to the 116 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: Democrats and try to negotiate. Now, I should say this 117 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: is what House Democrats did last week, but we were 118 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: at a very different time last week when the scope 119 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: of the crisis was very different. Our Republicans on the 120 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: same page on this. Do they know they're gonna have 121 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: to spend well, the concern is not really about the 122 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: price tag. You know, we heard from lawmakers today saying 123 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: it's a cheap time to borrow money. Interest rates are 124 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: historically low. This is the time to get through this 125 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: economic crisis, to avoid kind of further long term damage, 126 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: kind of price be damned. But there is not agreement 127 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: on what the measures should be. We at Lindsay Graham, 128 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 1: a senator from South Carolina, close ally of the President, 129 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: who said he doesn't like to cash hand out. He 130 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: said he'd rather people be getting a paycheck than a handout, 131 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: Which is fine if you're employed, um, and if you 132 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: are on salary, but you know, for hourly workers who 133 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: aren't working right now, or for people who most of 134 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: their salary or earn rest their sally through tips. You know, 135 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who don't fall inspect 136 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: kind of neat income category that would be helped by 137 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: a payroll tax cut. For example, It's just all right, 138 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: tell me something uplifting and I'm putting you on the spot. 139 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: What'd you see you online that was uplifting today? One 140 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: thing that I do think is uplifting is how seriously 141 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: people are taking this, you know, certainly not across the board, 142 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: but really around the world. We see people changing their lives, 143 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: drawing down their social commercial, uh, you know, whatever kind 144 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: of activity to avoid spreading this virus and to make 145 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: sure that they're protecting them most vulnerable members of society. 146 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: And you know, that's what we're doing right now. I'm 147 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: working from home. You know, everyone's working from home that 148 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: can to make sure that we're not out and about 149 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: and make sure that we're not you know, spreading this 150 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: virus and making sure that people who are six can 151 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: get the help that they need. And it's thank you 152 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: so much, Anna Edgerton, Bloomberg Politics Editor. And it's weird, 153 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: right because as Americans, whenever there's a disaster, remember there's 154 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: a catastrophe, you want to rush in and you want 155 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: to help, you want to do something. And in this situation, 156 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: the best thing to do is to stay home. And 157 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: that's it's just that's that's taken me a minute to 158 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: to to grab to grasp. Really is that you gotta 159 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: you gotta stay home, you gotta stay put, you gotta 160 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: hunker down, work from home. We're gonna get through this. 161 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna get through this, but we've got to get 162 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: through it. I'm Kevin's really, chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg 163 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: Television Bloomberg Radio. You're listening to Bloomberg nine one. This 164 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg and 165 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: one or five point seven f M HD two. I'm 166 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: Kevin Cireli, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television, Bloomberg Radio. 167 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: I hope everyone's doing all right. I'm keeping every one 168 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: of my prayers. We're gonna get through this, folks. And uh, 169 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: you know, the administration is saying that an economic stimulus 170 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: is on the way. How Speaker Nancy Pelosias said that 171 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: she's going to vow to work with everyone to get 172 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: something done. Checks might be on the way in two weeks. 173 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: President Trump said he wants check smailed out within two 174 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: weeks now, as Treasury Secretary Steve Amnuan said it. And 175 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, you know, we'll see if that, if that 176 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: helps anyone out there who so desperately needs an economic help, 177 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: so desperately needs some medical help during this national pandemic. 178 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: Dennis kellerher is on the line. He is the president 179 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: of Better Markets and uh uh, Dennis, are are you there? Yes? Good? 180 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: How are you sorry? I just want to make sure 181 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: you were there. We're our our crew on this program, 182 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: Dennis is. I'm sure everyone is working from home. They've 183 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: just doing such an incredible job and so something I 184 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: just want to make sure that I wanted to make 185 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: sure you're on the line. Dennis. How how would what 186 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: are you hearing? I mean, you are the president of 187 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: Better Markets, traditionally more aligned with progressive candidates, and I 188 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: want to get your take now for how you what 189 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: you think economic stimulus ought to look like as we 190 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: grapple with this crisis. Well, first, Kevin, thanks for having 191 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: me on, and I think you're right in talking about 192 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: the size and scope of this unprecedented national crisis. But 193 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: what we need to do is start thinking much bigger 194 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: and bolder than we have. Um. You know, most almost 195 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: all Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and most Americans, more 196 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: than seventy americans, have no significant savings. And that means 197 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: literally this week and next week, uh, tens of millions 198 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: of Americans are not going to get a paycheck, and 199 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: they're not going to have any money. That is a crisis, 200 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: and that is why the President and the leaders on 201 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: the hill are right. Just are thinking about getting cash 202 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: immediately to main street families. And there are a number 203 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: of ways to do that, but we need to start 204 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: thinking as just started today, of aid that starts with 205 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: a t. Last week, Um, you know, I published an 206 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: op ed in market Watch with proposing a one trillion 207 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: dollar plan and truthfully, by the time this is over, 208 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be many multiples of a trillion dollars. 209 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: And our proposal is that you need to actually um 210 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: require any aid to any company or business in the 211 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: United States with that business actually continuing to pay the wages, 212 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: tips and benefits of all their workers until the crisis 213 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: is over. This is I want to This bears repeating. 214 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: So what Dennis kellerher president of Better Markets, which is 215 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: a nonprofit, independent organization working to build more sure financial 216 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: system for all Americans. This is candidly more progressive approach. 217 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: Just what and what he's saying is, look, you want 218 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: money from the government, keep paying your workers. Am I 219 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: simplifying this? Denis? That's right? And but importantly, the federal 220 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: government will reimburse all those payments, and the company who 221 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: does that has a no layoff policy pays all its 222 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: workers will also be eligible for other aids. But no 223 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: company that does not continue to pay its wages to 224 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: its workers or lays off workers in the middle of 225 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: this crisis will not be eligible for any other aid 226 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: So bailing out the airlines that don't have passengers to 227 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: save them from bankruptcy makes no sense. What do we 228 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: care if we've got a bunch of airlines that aren't bankrupt, 229 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: but the planes are sitting on the runways and nobody's 230 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: traveling because we're all quarantined. So bailing out the airlines 231 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: just for the sake of bailing them out makes no sense. 232 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: But sending them money that they then immediately dispersed to 233 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: all their workers so that their workers can eat. And 234 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: by the way, Kevin, very importantly, they can pay their 235 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: rent so the landlords don't go broke. They can pay 236 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: their mortgage, their credit card and other bills so that 237 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: the banks don't go broke. What we will have at 238 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: that point is is a functioning economic system, although people 239 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: won't be working. That's going to be a huge bill 240 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: for the federal government. But that's the only way, we're 241 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: going to be able to very quickly get enough money 242 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: into the hands of enough people who in literally days 243 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: are going to have no money, are going to be scared, 244 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: and there's going to be a panic in this country 245 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: like you've never seen before. Moody has just said that 246 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: nearly eighty million jobs are at high or moderate risk 247 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: right now. That's an unemployment rate of over fifty That 248 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: can't happen. But we also can't get money to the 249 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: people quick enough. You know, they talk about helicopter money, 250 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: sending checks that takes time. Every employer in this country 251 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: right now, right now, knows how to put money right 252 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: into the bank account of every one of their employees. 253 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: That's a hundred and fifty eight million Americans in total. 254 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: That's the way to do it. Dennis Kelleher is on 255 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: the line. He as president of Better Markets. Dennis, I 256 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on to break this down. I mean, 257 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: switching back over to Capitol Hill. You know, this this 258 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: stimulus that the administration's calling for. I don't want to 259 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: get too far into the weeds, but at the crux 260 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: of it, I mean, this will be a bipartisan stimulus. 261 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: Will get out, will it not? I believe in a 262 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: very big bipartisan stimulus will get out. The real concern 263 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: over is what the pieces of that stimulus is and 264 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: what would you say? What would you say as some 265 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: of the sticking points in general terms? Well, I think 266 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, no strings bailouts of corporations not that different 267 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: than two thousand and eight when trillions of dollars were 268 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: sent to Wall Street with no conditions or terms, with 269 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: no transparency, oversight or accountability. And what happened? You know, 270 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: Main Street ends up with this horrible recession that we've 271 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: lived through for ten years. You have the Teeth Party 272 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: and Occupy Wall Street in reaction to it. But what 273 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: happened with that money and the county or two thousand nine, 274 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: Wall Street paid itself twenty two billion dollars in bonuses 275 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: after being bailed out with taxpayer money, and I think 276 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: everybody is That's what everybody's worried about happening this time. 277 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: So the concern is, if you're going to bail out 278 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: of corporation, you can't leave the workers and main Street 279 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: families behind. This has to be a main street bailout, 280 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: not a corporate bailout. Dennis, tell me something good in 281 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: the news tell me something optimistic. There's so much human 282 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: gloom right now. I think so. I think you know 283 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: the best, you know, the best news we've had in 284 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: a long time is the President actually appears to understand 285 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: the size and scope of the problem, has stopped blaming 286 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: democrat democrats and demagoguing, attacking the media. He actually is 287 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: letting Dr Fauci and others take the lead. That's the 288 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: best sign so far. The second best sign which happened 289 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: today is that the numbers the Hill Congress administration that 290 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: talking about for eight to Main Street is over a 291 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: trillion dollars. So they're finally getting serious about the size 292 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: and scope of the problem. And this clearly an urgency, 293 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: which should make everybody believe that they're going to get 294 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: a big bipartisan bill done and it's going to get 295 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: money into the hands of people very quickly. I think 296 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: there's very good, very good news coming out. Dennis. I 297 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on, Dennis Keller, her President the Better Markets, 298 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: do me a favorite checking with me in a couple 299 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: of days. All right, all right, that was Dennis kellaher. 300 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Sireli, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television, Bloomberg Radio, 301 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: and coming up, we're gonna check in with Maddie Douppler 302 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: for some more economic analysis on the markets. You're listening 303 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. Sound On with Kevin 304 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: Zeril on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven f 305 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: M h D two. I'm Kevin Sireli. She fashed and 306 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. It was another 307 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: while down Wall Street. UH stocks jump with Wall Streets 308 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: seeing crazy swings. Reading now from the Bloomberg terminal UH quote. 309 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: US stocks rebounded from the biggest routes since Night seven 310 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: as the US government stepped up et sepfort to offset 311 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: the financial damage caused by the coronavirus. Treasuries tumble the 312 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: SMP five hundred up almost six percent after trading in 313 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: the red earlier, continuing a streak of volatility last seen 314 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: during the Great Depression. The dal Jones industrial average meanwhile 315 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: notched a five point two percent gain. Mattie Doppler's on 316 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: the line front of the program. She, of course, is 317 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: senior fellow at the National Taxpayers Union, former Coalitions director 318 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: for the House Republican Conference. Maddie, First of all, thank 319 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: you so much for making time for us. How are 320 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: you doing? I am doing okay, Keb how are you? 321 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: You're in the studio today, so that is you're out. 322 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: You're about the rest of us. We're all hunkered down 323 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: at home. I was hunkered down all day. I worked 324 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: from home all day. I'm here tonight only because we 325 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: have strict, strict guidelines in uh here. Uh. No one 326 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: else is in the office except maybe two other people. 327 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: Because I've been to Bloomberg. You guys have it on lockdown. 328 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you're safe and that we're able to 329 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: do the program. So I feel very safe here. Um. Okay, 330 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: So the markets, I mean, what did you notice today 331 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: with the markets, Maddie. Well, so let's take a step 332 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: back and look at the last two weeks. I think 333 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: it's obvious that the markets are sending at least one 334 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: clear signal, which is that FIS school policy is what's 335 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: needed here. You know, when we first started to get 336 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: the first reports of the virus outbreak in the United States, 337 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: the FED of course and being an emergency meeting and 338 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: did a slight cut on rapes. That was that was 339 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of a surprise at the time, and 340 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: that actually didn't do much to stall markets. The following 341 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: day was when the House took up and passed its 342 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: first go at fiscal legislation, and that's what gave the 343 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: markets a little bit um of a bound. So I 344 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: think we're seeing that response again today. We, of course, 345 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: over the weekend saw another emergency cut from the fed 346 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 1: UH and some other monetary policy tools deployed. But it 347 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: wasn't until today when we had that press conference from 348 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: the President and the rest of the Coronavirus Task Force 349 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: where there was serious discussion not only a stimulus chest 350 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: but other measures that may go into effects helped blunt 351 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: the economic impact of this virus that we started to 352 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: see a market response. So I really think that when 353 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: not much else is clear, the one thing we do 354 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: know is the market is looking for a fiscal plan. 355 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: You cut out there, but you cut out there in 356 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: an important part. So where you cut out was when 357 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: you said not much else is clear. But the one 358 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: thing we know, so let's pick it up there. So yeah, 359 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: so the one thing that we do know is that 360 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: the market responds when we get some about of confidence 361 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: that a fiscal policy response is coming. And now, of 362 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: course the Senate is still working through the ches lenges 363 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: on the House bill. But the fact that the administration 364 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: has basically said that they want to see more efforts 365 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: that go beyond what we have in legislation right now 366 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: indicates that there will continue to be fiscal policy that 367 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: comes out to blunt the economic impact of the virus. Maddie, 368 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: as you look through, you know all of this volatility, 369 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: has any certainty emerged economically speaking? Well, I think that 370 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: the one thing to keep in mind, uh. And this 371 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: is something that fed Herman J. Powell reiterated during the 372 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: conference call on Sunday, is that we are entering this 373 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: challenge from a point of strength all. And I don't 374 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: say that to be Pollyanna pollyanna ish. I say it 375 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: to allow for some acknowledgement that we have the fiscal 376 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: space to make the responses here that will help keep 377 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: this this unprecedented UH circumstance from becoming a blown out 378 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: long term economic malaise. Uh. You know, before we entered 379 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: the real impact of the virus, we saw really strong 380 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: labor market data. We saw new housing starts rising, the 381 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: services sector was expanding, all of that is to say, 382 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: is that we have the fundamentals in place, we need 383 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: to have an efficient and clear policy response to make 384 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: sure that we can return to those fundamentals and to 385 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: that ecosystem once we have this exogenous affentive effect of 386 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: the virus under control. And and I think that it 387 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: also bears repeating that this is first and foremost a 388 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: public health problem. We need to have a public health 389 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: response that then has an economic response that is meant 390 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: to really try to keep some of those effects you know, 391 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: at day to best that they can, and to really 392 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: diminish the effects, particularly the most vulnerable population. You know, Maddie, 393 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: I think what you just said is so smart. And 394 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: we just had Dennis kellerher on and I talked to 395 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: Dennis for years in this town, and every time you 396 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: wanted to get the pulse of progressive policies and what 397 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: progressive ideas are, I go to that tell her every 398 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: reporter in town knows that. And you know, for him 399 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: to come on air tonight and to say that he 400 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: thinks President Trump gets it in the shift of tone, 401 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: that's a big, big deal. And I'm curious, I mean, 402 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that to be partisan, because I mean, 403 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: I I talked to Democrats who are you know, I 404 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: was talking to you know, Mark Warner's office, Christ Coon's 405 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: office today and they also are saying everyone that I'm 406 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: talking to Maddie is talking from the same playbook, and 407 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: you know, and and now it just feels like they're 408 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: dotting their eyes and crossing their teas. And time is 409 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: of the essence. I mean, Lord knows, time is of 410 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: the essence to get relief to two people who need it, uh, yesterday. Uh. 411 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: But I mean, are you hearing what I'm hearing That 412 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: the folks are, for the most part, on the same 413 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: page on this. They get it. I think so. And 414 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: I think that I think something that Senator Ruby, I 415 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: believe said was really important, which is that we don't 416 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: have all the time in the world here. This isn't 417 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: like normal circumstances where we can call Congress back in 418 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: and they can continue to think agociate bills. Congress is 419 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: a large body, driven by hundreds of people that are 420 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: staff these members, and we can't have them all working 421 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: while we're trying to contain a contain of public health problem. 422 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: So I think that there's a recognition that these circumstances 423 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: require exigency in a way that we haven't really experienced before. 424 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: And I will say this crystallization around the notion that 425 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: we need to get money out the door in terms 426 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: of stimulus checks is very interesting from a policy perspective. 427 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: You see conservatives, Republicans, progressives, democrats kind of all talking 428 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: about that being a necessary element of any kind of 429 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: recovery package going forward. I hope there is also an 430 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: element of understanding that there are more or lasticities that 431 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: we need to be aware of in the economy, meaning 432 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: that businesses need support. We need liquidity for businesses who 433 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: are having cash flow problems. I would keep an eye 434 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: on this announcement from Treasury that they're going to delay 435 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: tax payments. That certainly will be helpful, but we need more. 436 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: We need certainly some kind of social insurance for people 437 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: who don't know if they're going to have a job 438 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: in a week if they can't show up, and absolutely 439 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: if people are sick, we need some kind of assurances 440 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: for them that they can't go to work so we 441 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: can continue to get this public health problem under control. Maddie, 442 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: tell me something good, tell me some good news. I'm 443 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: asking every guest. I'm gonna ask you that because every 444 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: segment I'm not doing this doom and gloom show every 445 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: day for the next you know, hopefully you know, at 446 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: least the next fifteen days. I'm not doing it. I 447 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: need I need some positivity. We all need some positivity 448 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: because you click on those those social media feeds that 449 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: will drown you out. I had to turn it off. 450 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: I totally agree with you coming and so tell me 451 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: something good. What did you see that's good, Maddie. Well, 452 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: here's the mind. God, let me just say what I'm 453 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: doing that's helping my mood. I am putting on my 454 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: running playlist while I'm working, So it's like pump up music. 455 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: It's like feel good gets the blood pumping good while 456 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: I'm writing about this keeps me focus. I encourage everyone 457 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: to get some good playlists and that will help a 458 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: little bit. Well, what else I mean? Come on, I 459 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: saw I just saw something that in Paris, France. This 460 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: is something on Twitter that they're they're doing, um butchering 461 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: this words, but they're doing something with their lights to 462 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: acknowledge and recognize all of the medical workers who are 463 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: on the front lines of this. Oh. I love that 464 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: I love that was so listen, Like we've heard a 465 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: lot about this. I live in d C. DC is 466 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: a great community. We get crap from everyone, right, but 467 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: DC is a great community. So if we're doing all 468 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: the stuff that everyone's talking about, trying to order gift 469 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: cards from our favorite local businesses so they can get 470 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more cash flow going, trying to like 471 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: just get up sign and kind of walk around the neighborhood, 472 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: like keep a respectful different distance, but still say hi 473 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: to your neighbors. Like just that acknowledgement that we're all 474 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: in this together, I think is so helpful for your 475 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: own mental wellness. Um, and you know, just making sure 476 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: that like you're staying connected to the other things in 477 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: your life, Like our lives are not just the news. 478 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: Like this news is going to continue to come out. 479 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: It's really important to stay in form. But like you 480 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: don't have to have the TV on seven to be informed, 481 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: So like you don't have to have you you know 482 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: what I said this, I think I've said this. I'm 483 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: not going to tell people in my family. I said, 484 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: get off of social media for the just get off 485 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: of it tonight. Put on something. Just get off of 486 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: social media. Go to the CDC dot gov. Maddie, stay 487 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: with us, Stay with us, Stay on the line, Maddie, 488 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: because we have another segment and we're going to talk 489 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: more about the political ramifications of this coming up, as 490 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: the d n C just put out a new statement 491 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 1: in terms of political voting guidelines. Maddie Doppler stays, I'm 492 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: Kevin Sireli, chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg TV and Radio, 493 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: and you're listening to Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound 494 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: On with Kevin Curley on Bloomberg and one oh five 495 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: point seven f M h D two. I'm Kevin Sireli, 496 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television of Bloomberg Radio. Look, 497 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: I I say this, you know, turn on Bloomberg Television 498 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: if you're working from home. I mean, I just want 499 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: to give kudos to all of my colleagues. Uh, you know, 500 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm biased. I think bloomber it's a great news source. 501 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: And you turn on Bloomberg TV and they're covering this 502 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: from around the world. So if you want firsthand reports 503 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: on how China grappled with this, on how countries around 504 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: the world grappled with this on how Europe s grappling 505 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: with this, and plus real updates on the supply chain. 506 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking at a story on Bloomberg right 507 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: now that's literally going headfirst into how China is using 508 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: drones and their strategy to drop off thermometers. So, I mean, 509 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: that's the type of stuff quite frankly, I'm gonna to 510 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: Bloomberg TV's horn. I mean, they're doing a great job. 511 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: Mattie Doubler's on the line. She's a good friend of mine, 512 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: a good friend of the program, and she, of course 513 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: is uh the senior fellow at the National Taxpayers Union. 514 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: We were talking earlier about the market implications. Earlier in 515 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: the program, we talked about the economic implications, but we 516 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: got to talk about the political ramifications because there are 517 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: elections tonight and the DNC. I'm going to read from 518 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: Alexander Draffee and Will Weisert's reporting on the Associated Press 519 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: dot com. Uh. The new coronavirus kept some voters and 520 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: poll workers at home and hampered efforts to open some 521 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: polling sites on Tuesday at three states that held that 522 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: held Democratic presidential primary contests amid the global camp pandemic. 523 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: Ohio called off their primary just hours before the polls 524 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: were going to open. I mean, thankfully they did. You've 525 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 1: got Ohio canceled and then uh. And it was so 526 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: unprecedented that d n C Committee chirman Tom Perez urged 527 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: states to expand vote by mail and absentee balloting and 528 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: polling station hours in an effort to keep the coronavirus 529 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: from further disrupting the party's presidential nominating process. Maddie, I, 530 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I don't want to put on our 531 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: normal political punditry segment cap. But what I do want 532 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: to ask is, I mean these are serious, what these 533 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: are democratic with a lowercase D questions that we're all 534 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: trying to face now about what this pandemic means in 535 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: a presidential and down ballot race election. Here, Maddie helped 536 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: me make sense of this. Well, So for one, I 537 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: want to start off just are all of your listeners 538 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: understanding we do have a state that does all mail 539 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: in balloting. If Washington State like this is how they 540 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: run their elections, regardless of what's going on the country, 541 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: it's always mail in voting there. So there's a template 542 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: for how we could do this. Now, the question is, 543 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: of course, changing midstream. That's a whole different question. Right 544 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: when you especially something like in Ohio where you have 545 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: officials saying the day before that they're going to cancel voting, 546 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: the question is how do you change these kinds of 547 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: protocols UM in states that aren't used to that. Now 548 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: we have seen in some states an uptick in mail 549 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: in voting, uh that have that ability, But to go 550 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: entirely to mail in voting, that requires you, of course, 551 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: the mail belts else everyone to get those done in time. 552 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that states are equipped to do that. 553 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: Tom Paras did seem to indicate he thought states had 554 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: the capable of the capabilities to implement that UM. But 555 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: in populations, particularly in populations that aren't used to this, 556 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: then you you have to worry about the folks who 557 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: you know aren't watching the news, people who don't have 558 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: that information. You don't want them to miss the opportunity 559 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: to vote, because obviously, if the impact of the virus 560 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: is that people are disenfranchised, then we have another crisis 561 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: on our hands, which is a political one on top 562 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: of the public health and the financial one. So Illinois, Arizona, 563 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: and Florida they're having primaries today. I don't I truthfully, 564 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: I don't think this is I don't know how how 565 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: are they justifying holding these contests. Yeah, the question is, 566 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, because the Ohio governor had had issued this 567 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: statement and then essentially tried to sue in front of 568 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: the court and that he's that he he needed that 569 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: UM that license in order to move forward, and the 570 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: court said, like, this isn't enough time. You need to 571 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: make these decisions ahead of time. I think acknowledging the 572 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: challenge here and the tension, which is that we want 573 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: voting to be as free and open and accessible as possible. 574 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: But I would argue that in the throes of the 575 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: pandemic that we're facing right now, that environment doesn't exist. 576 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: It isn't open and accessible for people to vote. So 577 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: I think that the responsible thing to do for states 578 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: that have primaries looming is thoroughly to delay UM. But 579 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: that does raise a question. You know, For one, there 580 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: are important ballot measures that are being voted out in 581 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: these states. You need to make sure that those are 582 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: uh still getting their due. But obviously, when it comes 583 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: to democratic primary uh, this has been a dynamic process. 584 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: You know, we've gone from twenty four people running the 585 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: Democratic primary down to two. Uh. And I think there's 586 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: an argument to be mad and we made that when 587 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: you have this kind of event and nurse is going 588 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: to be interrupted, and that will create problems for the 589 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: front runner. Now because the delegate count, is there enough 590 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: tension there that that really derails Vice President Biden? Dance 591 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: isn't getting any said? Probably not? But you know at all, 592 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: you know, I just to me, I don't. I don't 593 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: think any American can understand in the middle of a 594 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: global pandemic, why you wouldn't postpone your primary. I mean 595 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: that that to me doesn't pass the basic common sense 596 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: test when we're all in this together. I mean, I 597 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: mean I don't understand that. And and quite honestly, I 598 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: mean like delay it. I can't wrap my head around 599 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: Maddie Well and think about where people vote to the 600 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: normally vote in school, sometimes they vote in nursing homes. 601 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they vote in these places where we've already 602 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: said that it's not safe. It's not safe to congress here, 603 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: it's not safe to have the populations who are there 604 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: to be there in large groups. So it certainly defies logic. 605 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: To have to send more people to those places. But 606 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, I am very sympathetic to the tension here, 607 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: which is that when you're the head of the party, 608 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: you don't want to be seen as interfering. And I 609 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: know that. Again, I'm a I'm a former Republican aide. 610 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: That's the side of the aist and I'm on. I 611 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: know Democrats and progressives have had their own tensions about 612 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: whether or not the party has interacted in the way 613 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: that they think is most equitable. But this is a 614 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: really hard decision to make. I do think delay, certainly 615 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: is not a hard decision to make. I think the 616 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: question is how you get people to vote, and when 617 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: you do that, that's a little more challenge. Well, Governor 618 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: Larry Hogan, Governor Larry Hogan of Maryland, he's he's postponed 619 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: the primary until June two. It was originally gonna be 620 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: on April. I mean Governor Hogan making the you know, 621 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: it's saying, hey, we're gonna get out in front of this, 622 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: and we're gonna say it's not gonna be until June. 623 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: You know, I mean that in and of itself. I 624 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: think just getting out in front of it. So Governor 625 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: Hogan's allaying the of Maryland delaying the presidential primary until 626 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: June two. I do want to give a vaccination update. 627 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: Fightser and bio en Tech have announced a joint development 628 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: of the potential COVID nineteen vaccine. Reading from tech Crunch, 629 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: Pharmer Giant, Fightser announced on TUESDA Day that it's working 630 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: with bio Enzech and German company working on new kinds 631 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: of immuno therapy treatments on a potential COVID nineteen vaccine. 632 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: So the Americans and the Germans working together on a vaccine. 633 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: Yesterday we followed up on that reporting, uh that the 634 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: first vaccine, the COVID nineteen vaccines and clinical trials already 635 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: they're testing on humans already out in uh Seattle. Uh 636 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: and I you know if you read the I don't 637 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: know if you saw this with the Associated Press pulled. 638 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: One of the people that they they've tested on is 639 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: a forty three year old and she has uh some 640 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: teenage kids and they think that she's a rock star. Mom. 641 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: Uh testing for testing on the vaccine very quickly. Uh, 642 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: give me some more good news, Maddie. We gotta end 643 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: on an upbeating note. So what's on your radar, what's 644 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: on your good news radar? Good news radar. Well, let's see, 645 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: we're going into a tax season where you might have 646 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: a delay being able to file your taxes for a 647 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: lot of people, that's really good news, but not a hammer. 648 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: Everything looks like a nail, right. I love tax policy. 649 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: That's definitely good news for people who haven't filed their 650 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: taxes yet. But listen, it's a beautiful day here in DC. 651 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: One thing you can do is you can go out, 652 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: you can take a walk, you can get some fresh air. 653 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: I just want everyone to remember that you have the 654 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: opportunity and the power to like just take a moment 655 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: for yourself, like if that nothing else, take one moment, 656 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: take a couple of deep breaths. We're all gonna get 657 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: through this together. And absolutely a shout out to the 658 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: public health workers and all of the other people who 659 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: are working in public health right now. I mean that 660 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: this is an incredible time to be a part of 661 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: that effort, and we are supporting you, and we're grateful 662 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: for your sacrifice and for your efforts there and lost 663 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: in all of this, It's St. Patrick's Day, It's St. 664 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: Patrick's St Patrick's said, help me say something else. Tom 665 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: Brady's leaving the Patriots. So there's good news for the 666 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: fault because you know what, when the NFL starts playing again, 667 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: Brady's gone from Belichick. I'm Kevin SI really. Chief Washington 668 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: corresponded for Bloomberg Television of Bloomberg Radio. Hey, we're gonna 669 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: get through this. Keep on, keeping on. You're listening to Bloomberg. 670 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: The apective affective, the