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Speaker 5: It has been two weeks since the election.
Speaker 3: Two about the it was like two months.
Speaker 1: It's been fifteen years since the election.
Speaker 6: It's been I mean, this was me election night.
Speaker 5: Oh was I ever that young?
Speaker 1: Or I ever looked at?
Speaker 2: And some?
Speaker 5: But Donald Trump is returning to power, and so once
Speaker 5: again it is time to saddle up Lizzys Doll. Because
Speaker 5: if you remember before Trump won the election, Democrats will
Speaker 5: clear eyed about the stakes.
Speaker 7: It's times that fascism is called fascism in Americans know
Speaker 7: exactly what they're voting for. He is paving the way
Speaker 7: to become a Vladimir Putin or to become an Adolph Hitler.
Speaker 8: He is a threat to democracy.
Speaker 9: He is a clear and present danger to our democracy,
Speaker 9: to our way of life.
Speaker 2: The damage may be irreversible.
Speaker 10: To destruct could be unthinkable, and it would be a
Speaker 10: betrayal of everything that our framers fought for.
Speaker 5: You're not even gonna look up You're not even gonna
Speaker 5: you know, a little eye contact, a little inflection could
Speaker 5: drive the danger thing. You give it a little urgency,
Speaker 5: you know, Uh, I feel passionately. You know, we should
Speaker 5: fight him on the beaches, in the field, god forbid
Speaker 5: the streets, yastphalts and side.
Speaker 1: It's really all right?
Speaker 5: Is it sad that the only thing that really makes
Speaker 5: it a Schumer impression is I put glasses on? Is
Speaker 5: that was it really that? I mean, you applauded literally
Speaker 5: just the glasses. I'm a pair of bifocals away from
Speaker 5: being Chuck Schumer's.
Speaker 1: Your bastards.
Speaker 5: Now, I assume now that the Democrats have lost to
Speaker 5: the greatest fact we've ever faced as a nation, that
Speaker 5: they will be forthright in acknowledging one the Democrats role
Speaker 5: in this catastrophic defeat and two the bleak healthscape we
Speaker 5: now face.
Speaker 9: Or we're proud of the fact that we've defeated more
Speaker 9: House Republican incumbents than they've defeated House Democratic incumbents.
Speaker 7: We did flip three House seats from Republican to Democrat
Speaker 7: and gain back almost all of those that we had
Speaker 7: lost in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, almost is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we almost gained back all we had lost. Almost is
Speaker 5: kind of a load bearing adverb. Spin wise, finding a
Speaker 5: positive and what is clearly not good news. You can't
Speaker 5: parents good news. We gained back almost all of the
Speaker 5: children we lost on the field trip.
Speaker 2: Win win.
Speaker 6: It's a new dynamic.
Speaker 5: It is a wilful bright siding this shit show that
Speaker 5: we celebrate in our new segment called the Audacity of Cope. Now, technically, yes,
Speaker 5: Democrats have less seats, but have you heard who's in
Speaker 5: those seats.
Speaker 8: In this freshman class alone? And I'm going to stop
Speaker 8: for cheers for each one of these because they're remarkable.
Speaker 8: We have our first trans member of Congress. We have
Speaker 8: an engineer from an immigrant community in the San Fernando Valley.
Speaker 8: We have the first Iranian American Democrat in Congress. We
Speaker 8: have the youngest member ever elected to the House from
Speaker 8: New Jersey.
Speaker 6: That's not a thing.
Speaker 5: How did you go from the reasonably impressive first Iranian
Speaker 5: Democrat to hold the scene to the I think somewhat
Speaker 5: reaching for youngest person ever from New Jersey, and then,
Speaker 5: by the way, to the audience. If you think that
Speaker 5: that framing is not that interesting. Wait till you hear
Speaker 5: that this record breaking young phenom from New Jersey is thirty.
Speaker 6: Eight years old. Thirty eight years old? Yah, how come on?
Speaker 6: How far are we going with this?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: In Illinois we elected a ginger.
Speaker 11: Oh hey yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: We elected the first representative from Washington State who looks
Speaker 5: like he has a terrible secret. He ran on loneliness. Wow,
Speaker 5: this is gonna be the most diverse group of Congress
Speaker 5: people to ever get all their legislation blocked.
Speaker 2: So inspired.
Speaker 6: But you know what, now it's fine.
Speaker 5: People, But you know what, those are just lonely House Democrats.
Speaker 5: How well the head of their party, the outgoing president
Speaker 5: man the ramparts. During this challenging and fraught peaceful transition
Speaker 5: to fatism.
Speaker 12: President Biden is in Brazil, where he became the first
Speaker 12: American head of state to visit the Amazon Rainforest. He
Speaker 12: went there to highlight the dangers of climate change and
Speaker 12: the need to turn away from fossil fuels.
Speaker 2: What the.
Speaker 6: No way that desk was there?
Speaker 1: No way, not a chance.
Speaker 5: In the middle of all this, he disappeared to the rainforest,
Speaker 5: starring in what appears to be like four Pixar movies
Speaker 5: in one mixed together.
Speaker 6: Clearly up is one of them.
Speaker 5: And in conto, I'm gonna say, there's a little moana.
Speaker 5: Maybe Wally had a powerful anti consumer's message. Well, hopefully
Speaker 5: listen Wally's down there. Hopefully he has some inspiring words
Speaker 5: for us.
Speaker 6: Mister president, History is literally watching us now.
Speaker 13: So let's preserve this secret place for our time and
Speaker 13: for the benefit of all humanity. Thank you very very much.
Speaker 1: Where are you coming? Where are you going?
Speaker 5: Just literally just walking away like that, mister President. I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: the tribe has spoken. Extinguish your torch.
Speaker 1: What is happening?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: Maybe this is how we should do the transfer of power.
Speaker 5: The winner moves into the White House and the incumbent
Speaker 5: just wanders off into the jungle so that his nutrients
Speaker 5: may be returned to the soil. But of course that's
Speaker 5: the democrats struggle. Donald Trump headed to Madison Square Garden
Speaker 5: with his grab him by the pussy posse to do
Speaker 5: his favorite thing, watch people submit.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 5: Trump likes submission in the octagon. He likes it out
Speaker 5: of the octagon. He likes submission from his enemies and
Speaker 5: even from his new friends. And by the way, it
Speaker 5: doesn't take much of a transgression to warrant to ben
Speaker 5: Denee for Trump. For instance, last week, Trump's newly minuted
Speaker 5: Health and Human Services nominee hit Trump with a bit
Speaker 5: of a lighthearted jab about his diet.
Speaker 10: The stuff that he eats is really like bad. It's
Speaker 10: a campaign food is always bad. The food goes on
Speaker 10: to that airplane is like just poison.
Speaker 5: That's a little friendly swipe boop, a little bit of ribbing,
Speaker 5: gentle ribbing poop.
Speaker 6: And he will pay for his insudence, President Trump.
Speaker 14: Elon Musk, don jor RFK Junior, and speaker Mike Johnson
Speaker 14: eating McDonald's on Trump's private plane.
Speaker 11: Hey yeah, hey, yeah, rabbit, come in here.
Speaker 6: You think that's poison?
Speaker 11: Yeah, eat it? Yeah, rabbit, eat the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 11: in front of us, right now, eat the whole thing.
Speaker 11: And by the way, when you're done eating the whole thing,
Speaker 11: Grimas is gonna come in here and.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Grimis.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Robert, he don't think Grimas can ask.
Speaker 5: Why we're doing it. You gotta make eye contag with
Speaker 5: him all the time. We're gonna film it.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna keep going with the premise.
Speaker 5: By the way, I know We're focused on the humiliation
Speaker 5: of r F K Junior, But look at a poor
Speaker 5: Mike Johnson there, poor Mike.
Speaker 1: Johnson right there.
Speaker 5: Oh, you didn't even get a seat at the cool
Speaker 5: kids table. And the sad part this whole thing was
Speaker 5: Mike Johnson's bachelor party. Meanwhile, Joe and Mika Brazinski Scarborough,
Speaker 5: who famously warned of the growing threat of Trump's fascism,
Speaker 5: also had an interesting announcement to make last Thursday.
Speaker 9: We expressed our own concerns on this broadcast and even
Speaker 9: said we would appreciate the opportunity to speak with the
Speaker 9: President elect himself. On Friday, we were given the opportunity
Speaker 9: to do just that. Joe and I went to mar
Speaker 9: A Lago to meet personally with President elect Trump. And
Speaker 9: for those asking why we would go speak to the
Speaker 9: President elect during such fraught times, especially between US, I
Speaker 9: guess I would ask back, why wouldn't.
Speaker 1: We because you said he was hitler?
Speaker 5: Okay, tap out. But look, we don't know what the
Speaker 5: visit was. We don't know what the tone of the
Speaker 5: visit was.
Speaker 7: We talked about a lot of issues, including abortion, mass deportation,
Speaker 7: threats of political retribution against political opponents and media outlets.
Speaker 6: Oh, I bet you really lead down the gauntlet, Joe.
Speaker 1: I bet you walked in there and just let him
Speaker 1: have it, didn't you, Joey.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do a one act play called Joe and
Speaker 5: Mika go to Marlago. Mister President, your rhetoric is outrageous.
Speaker 5: I cannot in good content those macarousa.
Speaker 6: The pick one is well bory. We've learned nothing, even
Speaker 6: though it putting up resistance to Trump's agenda.
Speaker 5: Don't seem to understand who who they're dealing with.
Speaker 14: Senator Elizabeth Warren accusing President like Donald Trump's.
Speaker 6: Transition team of breaking the law.
Speaker 14: Is there are reported, mister deadline, devala required ethics pledge.
Speaker 6: Hear ye, hear ye, Hittler, mister reporting deadline.
Speaker 1: The war is over. I've said it before and I'll
Speaker 1: say it again.
Speaker 5: Republicans are playing chess and the Democrats are in the
Speaker 5: nurse's office because.
Speaker 6: They glued their balls to their thighs.
Speaker 2: That is what is happening.
Speaker 5: The election that we've just had was a repudiation of
Speaker 5: the status quo, an overly regulated system that is no
Speaker 5: longer responsive or delivering for the needs of the people
Speaker 5: or their beloved beheaded squirrels, oh rip peanut. Government is
Speaker 5: theoretically a constitutional system of checks and balances between equally
Speaker 5: powerful branches.
Speaker 6: But what government actually is is an.
Speaker 5: Overly complicated, byzantine, bureaucratic maze of rules, loopholes to those rules,
Speaker 5: and norms, complex enough that a, if you want to
Speaker 5: find a rule that keeps you from doing something, you'll
Speaker 5: find it, and b if you actually want to do something,
Speaker 5: you can find a loophole to get around said rule.
Speaker 5: And then the norms are just how often you've had
Speaker 5: to pull any of this shit.
Speaker 6: For example, Trump's.
Speaker 5: Let's be generous, provocative, and unorthodox cabinet picks. I don't
Speaker 5: think Hulk Hogan's been nominated yet.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be.
Speaker 6: The secretary of Take your vitamins. Democrats are positive.
Speaker 5: That the vaunted constitutional rules of the Senate shall be
Speaker 5: the guardrail to this madness.
Speaker 1: Certainly we can fight back.
Speaker 7: The president nominates, the Senate.
Speaker 6: Confirms we're a check in balance.
Speaker 15: We're there to be a guardrail.
Speaker 1: The Senate has a constitutional obligation to advise and consent
Speaker 1: on this nomination.
Speaker 5: Oh shit, you want Matt Gates mister President, prepared to
Speaker 5: be advice and consented beyond. There is no way for
Speaker 5: the Constitution to allow you to get past it.
Speaker 7: The Constitution does give the president a power to adjourn
Speaker 7: the House and Senate on extraordinary occasions.
Speaker 10: To unilaterally install his most controversial nominees and bypass the
Speaker 10: Senate confirmation process entirely.
Speaker 5: That is our government in a nutshell. The rules say
Speaker 5: we can stop it. The loophole says that, and so
Speaker 5: what are you left with the last refuge of losers
Speaker 5: the norms. I don't think that's appropriate, and I don't
Speaker 5: think that's what the founders intended.
Speaker 15: That is not the customer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can do it, and it's legal by whatever guy,
Speaker 5: we're gonna think you're a day.
Speaker 6: Republicans exploit the loopholes.
Speaker 5: Democrats complain about the norms over and over and over,
Speaker 5: and it has ghastly consequences.
Speaker 6: Remember when President.
Speaker 5: Obama nominated Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court, Senate Majority
Speaker 5: Leader Mitch McConnell refused to give that a vote, saying, well,
Speaker 5: it's only one full year before the election.
Speaker 6: It's too close.
Speaker 5: Now you can make a case that Obama could violate
Speaker 5: the norm say the Senate failed their advice and consent,
Speaker 5: and appoint.
Speaker 6: Him anyway, and see whatever happens.
Speaker 2: Fight.
Speaker 6: They just went, well, we never heard of that rule,
Speaker 6: but okay, smash cut.
Speaker 5: Two months before a presidential election, Trump nominates Amy Coney
Speaker 5: Barrett to the Supreme Court after the completely un foreseeable
Speaker 5: death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. And as you can imagine,
Speaker 5: the Democrats went right to the nearby kinkos.
Speaker 1: Behind me is the McConnell rule.
Speaker 8: On February thirteenth, twenty sixteen, when Justice Scalia passed away,
Speaker 8: Senator McConnell said, and I quote, this.
Speaker 1: Vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.
Speaker 5: And so Amy Connie Barrett was forced to head back
Speaker 5: to her homestead, never to be heard from. Oh they
Speaker 5: didn't give them. Oh all right, I forgot they didn't
Speaker 5: give it. Look, let this show be the utterly ineffective
Speaker 5: hypocrisy finders.
Speaker 6: I can tell you from experience. It does nothing.
Speaker 5: You guys be the loophole guys that figure out how
Speaker 5: to get shit done. Because they don't give a about
Speaker 5: your norms. They will exploit any loophole, even if they
Speaker 5: have to go through clearly closed windows to do it.
Speaker 5: You would think after Trump's presidency Democrats would have learned,
Speaker 5: but they doubled down. When Biden tried to get immigration
Speaker 5: reform into the Inflation Reduction Act and the Senate Parliamentarian
Speaker 5: told them he couldn't. Did he respond to the rule
Speaker 5: with the loophole or did he.
Speaker 9: That's for the parliamentarian to decide them, not for Joe
Speaker 9: Biden to decide.
Speaker 6: No, that's for you.
Speaker 5: Take the parliamentarian and you put them in a locker,
Speaker 5: and then you bring Grimace in and have.
Speaker 4: Him that's why you do.
Speaker 5: Do you guys get what I'm saying. Perhaps a demonstration
Speaker 5: is in order to get anything done. The Democrats feel
Speaker 5: like they must thread the needle to make sure. Ooh,
Speaker 5: we have to make sure each norm follows the overly
Speaker 5: complex bureaucratic process that we created ourselves. Oh, the parliamentary
Speaker 5: the Ooh, I can't do it because the norm said,
Speaker 5: I can't get anything done.
Speaker 6: Meanwhile, the Republicans come in and all they have to
Speaker 6: do is finger bang of donut.
Speaker 2: That's all I have to do.
Speaker 5: Oh, how are we going to get Matt Gates in
Speaker 5: if the advice and consent?
Speaker 10: Oh, right there.
Speaker 4: Boom boom, yn there how he did well?
Speaker 2: He did?
Speaker 1: Do I have to sleep with this? Now I've made
Speaker 1: you all uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: Now Trump has the House, Senate, Presidency, and Judiciary, so
Speaker 5: it's going to get hard or not easier. Democrats are
Speaker 5: going to have to forcefully play the loopholes. But the
Speaker 5: good news is you're well set up for it, with
Speaker 5: the youngest Congressional representative ever from New Jersey, thirty eight
Speaker 5: year OLDLR Monica McIvor. Unless wait, I've got a loophole.
Speaker 5: What if Joe Biden got his vice president to not
Speaker 5: certify that?
Speaker 2: No, No, President Biden.
Speaker 4: Wait, listen, listen of the plan, Joe, We'll be right
Speaker 4: back with Roy.
Speaker 2: To Shara, don't go why no nod so I get tonight.
Speaker 5: Is an American Enterprise Institute senior fellow, co founder of
Speaker 5: the Liberal Patriots Substack, and co author of Where Have
Speaker 5: All the Democrats Gone?
Speaker 6: Please?
Speaker 1: Welcome to the program? Real Wait to.
Speaker 2: Shara suck for joining us.
Speaker 6: Hey, my blood jog you your book is whereab all?
Speaker 6: I don't even know what I'm holding it up to
Speaker 6: your I'll just hold it up over here.
Speaker 5: Where of all the Democrats Gone? This was kind of
Speaker 5: an expose I think on your recipe for how Democrats
Speaker 5: lost their coalition.
Speaker 7: Written when we put it out last year, basically exactly
Speaker 7: a year from this your.
Speaker 5: Question, did you send it to any of the Democrats?
Speaker 7: Not really, No, we hope they'd pick up with it.
Speaker 7: I guess didn't happen.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, people aren't really readers anymore.
Speaker 1: Is there an audiobook?
Speaker 15: There is an audio book.
Speaker 7: Maybe we should have sent that, Tom, or maybe like
Speaker 7: a five slide PowerPoint deck.
Speaker 1: Now you're learning the game right.
Speaker 5: First of all, it is a really interesting historical breakdown
Speaker 5: context of sort of how the Democrats lost their more
Speaker 5: populist economic instincts and can you can you go through
Speaker 5: it sort of The Clintons probably began it in a way,
Speaker 5: but even as far back as Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, yeah, I mean Jimmy Carter had a sort
Speaker 7: of deregulatory, sort of anti populist approach toward economics. He
Speaker 7: took on a lot of things that eventually found their
Speaker 7: way into the Reagan approach in terms of deregulation and
Speaker 7: so on. And of course with Bill Clinton, we have
Speaker 7: you know, deregulation of finance, we have NAFTA eventually after
Speaker 7: Clinton leaves, but you know, sort of he was pushing
Speaker 7: it along. We have a session of China to the
Speaker 7: WTO and you have the so called China Shock, which
Speaker 7: really destroys millions of manufacturing jobs. So over time, you
Speaker 7: saw a lot of working class people developing a sense,
Speaker 7: particularly in the areas of the country that we left behind,
Speaker 7: that we're dependent on you know, industrial growth, on you know,
Speaker 7: resource extraction. I mean, they felt like Democrats didn't have
Speaker 7: their backs anymore. They felt Democrats were you know, this
Speaker 7: was a new world. We're all going to get educated.
Speaker 7: You know, we were going to have a lot of
Speaker 7: economic growth because we're moving into the new information economy
Speaker 7: and forget that old manufacturing stuff.
Speaker 5: And there wasn't seemingly much difference other than maybe tax
Speaker 5: cuts and tax heights, between neoliberal Democrats and standard republican
Speaker 5: free trade policy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, that was definitely true. I mean, I was
Speaker 7: very noticeable at the time, and there's some Democrats who
Speaker 7: pushed back against it, but they definitely lost the debate,
Speaker 7: and the Democrats became you know, there's sort of this
Speaker 7: third way thing in the nineties, right with Clinton and
Speaker 7: Blair and people like that, and sort of they basically
Speaker 7: put their chits down and we have to get government
Speaker 7: off people's backs. We have to, you know, deregulate, we
Speaker 7: have to just let a rip right with global trade,
Speaker 7: and eventually it would all trickle down to the asses
Speaker 7: of honest workers and peasants of America.
Speaker 6: It's coming people, It's going to trickle down. Yeah, a
Speaker 6: few more decades.
Speaker 5: So then it's sort of you get the rise of
Speaker 5: kind of Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warrent, there is this and
Speaker 5: throughout it, you know, Paul Welson, a progressive wing that
Speaker 5: wanted a more populist approach, but they could never win
Speaker 5: the day. And you make the case it's because the
Speaker 5: money that was coming into the Democratic Party was coming
Speaker 5: now from business and not from labor.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 7: I mean the influence of labor on the Democratic Party
Speaker 7: just declined so much in the eighties and nineties. Of
Speaker 7: course through our current day. I mean, it used to
Speaker 7: be labor was the backbone of the Democratic Party. That's
Speaker 7: what they relied upon for troops, for money to some extent,
Speaker 7: and that really just becomes completely replaced in the eighties
Speaker 7: and nineties, and even the culture of the Democratic Party
Speaker 7: changes because there used to be much more contact between
Speaker 7: the Democrats and the labor movement. You know, there's a
Speaker 7: really close working relationship between them. Over time, the labor
Speaker 7: movement gets pushed out because it's also declining at the time.
Speaker 5: So it's not I was going to say, what do
Speaker 5: you think came first, the decline of the labor movement,
Speaker 5: the decline of people participating in the labor movement, or
Speaker 5: the Democrats moving away from that as a source of.
Speaker 7: Well, I think they were sort of an interactive negative
Speaker 7: feedback loop, as it were.
Speaker 1: I mean, fewer people.
Speaker 7: Of unions to kind of a death sprival if you
Speaker 7: want to be melodramatic about it.
Speaker 6: Really I do want to be melodramatic about Okay, well,
Speaker 6: I don't know if you watch the first.
Speaker 1: Act, but I punched my hand through a doughnut hole.
Speaker 7: Let's face it.
Speaker 1: I mean that thanks be done.
Speaker 2: Better, I think now.
Speaker 5: But something that I feel like resonated with the audience
Speaker 5: and has resonated with them in a while. My idea
Speaker 5: of what happened with the Democratic Party is it was
Speaker 5: a rejection of a status quo feeling that not just
Speaker 5: in the working class movement, but in many movements that
Speaker 5: democracy is by nature analog. We are living in a
Speaker 5: digital world where you know, terminally online, the outrage and
Speaker 5: the anger and the confusion is much elevated, and the
Speaker 5: distance between those two points becomes untenable, especially if the
Speaker 5: Democrats insist on, well, we have to keep I'd love
Speaker 5: to get.
Speaker 1: You the help you need.
Speaker 6: But the parliamentarians really.
Speaker 5: Been up my ass, like all night, right, Like I
Speaker 5: feel like that's a real problem for them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the sense that the Democratic Party isn't
Speaker 7: responsive to the needs of sort of ordinary the common
Speaker 7: man and women in the working class, and they're too
Speaker 7: caught up in other issues or they're too worried about
Speaker 7: you know, sort of government regulations and parliamentary and stuff,
Speaker 7: and they're not.
Speaker 15: Like laser focused on getting stuff done.
Speaker 7: And you know, even in places like New York City
Speaker 7: where you have you know, very democratic, it's a sense
Speaker 7: that they aren't pulling out all the stops to make
Speaker 7: sure everyone gets good services and everything runs well, and
Speaker 7: you know, effective government is.
Speaker 15: What people want.
Speaker 5: It's a system in some respects, there's two things. You
Speaker 5: have to respond to what seems to be the immediate
Speaker 5: needs and then lay the groundwork for the future. I
Speaker 5: still think they did an effective job laying.
Speaker 15: The groundwork for the first part is what.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
Speaker 6: Infrastructure built, Chick, those great things.
Speaker 5: But the new deal worked because it triaged the urgency.
Speaker 15: That's right.
Speaker 6: It seems like that problem.
Speaker 5: By the way, I don't think the Republicans do that either,
Speaker 5: you know, in terms of.
Speaker 7: Let's see, I mean, look at these great cabinet picks
Speaker 7: that Trump.
Speaker 15: They're ready, they're ten and ready for help.
Speaker 2: Good people.
Speaker 1: Wrong, I was warned about you.
Speaker 5: Ruie to share is a dry son of a bitch, right, No,
Speaker 5: dead on right. I almost think, and this is this
Speaker 5: is a broader conversation, but if you look at sort
Speaker 5: of European countries, they're satisfaction with government is higher because
Speaker 5: it feels like they think the money they pay into
Speaker 5: government returns in services they actually use. If you break
Speaker 5: down people's tax bill, the first probably five tranches of
Speaker 5: it are nothing that you use. You know, seventy five
Speaker 5: eighty percent of it is it's military, Medicare, social Security.
Speaker 5: It's stuff you'll use when you're sixty five or seventy,
Speaker 5: but you don't use. Now, how do we get them
Speaker 5: more responsive to what really is happening in people's lives.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, if I knew that, I would be
Speaker 7: running the Democratic Party and they'd be running the table.
Speaker 7: But first of all, I mean, you can't hit the
Speaker 7: target unless you're aiming at it. Contrary to the Zen precept,
Speaker 7: you actually have to focus relentlessly on delivering for people
Speaker 7: in their daily lives and figuring out a way to
Speaker 7: do it. Okay, you know they've got x percent of
Speaker 7: the budget that's allocated these other things. But how can
Speaker 7: we take what degrees of freedom we haven't use them
Speaker 7: to help ordinary people say they feel it, Let's not
Speaker 7: just pass a bunch of legislation that kind of sounds
Speaker 7: good and may pay off in the long run, But
Speaker 7: people don't really feel in their day to day lives.
Speaker 5: And I think they have a sense that they work hard,
Speaker 5: they pay money into the system, and then that money
Speaker 5: is Whether this is hyperbolic or not, I think it
Speaker 5: is it goes to people who don't deserve it. It
Speaker 5: goes to migrants, it goes to trans people, it goes
Speaker 5: to the and it's they don't deserve.
Speaker 1: It, right, I deserve it?
Speaker 15: Right?
Speaker 7: Well, the mogrants thing became such a problem obviously because
Speaker 7: of you know, the extent to which immigration spiked, and
Speaker 7: then you had people turning up in overburdened urban areas,
Speaker 7: and you know, you've had a lot of black voters,
Speaker 7: for example in Chicago saying, why should I vote for
Speaker 7: for for for Kamala Harris. I mean, you know, they're
Speaker 7: they're giving away all this stuff to people, you know,
Speaker 7: who just came in from out of the country that
Speaker 7: are not even legal.
Speaker 5: And you know, but even that tells you though they
Speaker 5: had an opportunity to do something three years about it,
Speaker 5: they said they couldn't.
Speaker 6: I I was blowny, but I can't do it.
Speaker 5: I'm going to wait for First of all, that's the
Speaker 5: type of language that I have seen.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I saw your monologue that was I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what happened there.
Speaker 16: It will get beleeved, okay, But but it is the
Speaker 16: kind of thing like we can't overturn norms and things,
Speaker 16: and you're like, well, how did you get to Kamala
Speaker 16: Harris as the nominee that wasn't enormous?
Speaker 5: You overturned out And by the way, when you did,
Speaker 5: there was an explosion of enthusiasm and excitement because they
Speaker 5: suddenly felt like, oh, they're recognizing a reality that I owe,
Speaker 5: now we have a chance, and now we have a chance.
Speaker 5: Why isn't that more a part of the governance?
Speaker 7: Well, I think one. I mean, for example, look at
Speaker 7: the immigration issue. Right, Yes, there were some tenuous excuses
Speaker 7: why they they couldn't move on in earlier, But why
Speaker 7: didn't they move in earlier? It was a lot because
Speaker 7: the Democratic Coalition is so responsive. Biden was responsive to
Speaker 7: the various elements of the coalition. You didn't want them
Speaker 7: to do anything right. I mean, there were a lot
Speaker 7: of advocacy groups, a lot of parts of the Democratic
Speaker 7: Party that really thought things were fine. This is like
Speaker 7: not really a problem, it's all made up, it's all
Speaker 7: in Fox News. And and Biden didn't want to cross
Speaker 7: I mean, and this is a part of the problem
Speaker 7: with the Democratic Coalition today. There's too many parts of
Speaker 7: the coalition have veto power undoing effect.
Speaker 5: You think you get into something interesting with that. And
Speaker 5: it's something that I you know, rightfully, I think have
Speaker 5: a blind spot on and that is this idea of
Speaker 5: woke and dei and that the Democrats are too woke
Speaker 5: and too dei and that's why they lost and it's
Speaker 5: hard for me to wrap my head around that.
Speaker 7: Well it's not the only reason, but it was a
Speaker 7: contributing factor, right, And if you look at like there's
Speaker 7: been some data collected after the election by the Blueprint Strategy.
Speaker 15: Group that saw the show the top three reasons there.
Speaker 6: You know, I love their listicles listical.
Speaker 7: Well in this listicle, the first reason was inflation, This
Speaker 7: second reason was too much illegal immigration, and the third
Speaker 7: reason was Democrats being too concerned about cultural issues and
Speaker 7: not the welfare of the middle class. Right, I mean,
Speaker 7: and there's similar data from other places.
Speaker 1: Here's where maybe you can help me with this.
Speaker 5: But the idea of DEI and maybe I'm just working
Speaker 5: off of a wrong the wrong definition of woke, you
Speaker 5: know which is. And maybe that's the thing that I
Speaker 5: don't understand. But like when they say all this DEI,
Speaker 5: it feels like you're talking about like that one seminar
Speaker 5: you have to sit in, Like that's like an hour,
Speaker 5: Like I know, it's a little more it gets eye rolly,
Speaker 5: but it's an hour.
Speaker 15: Right, Well, there's more to it than that.
Speaker 7: I think people have the perception that it's being used
Speaker 7: as a way of allocating things that's different from merit,
Speaker 7: and that's the real problem. I'm just saying, you know,
Speaker 7: it doesn't seem to work that well. People don't like it,
Speaker 7: you know, including non white working class people. So you
Speaker 7: know that's yeah. I mean, there's there's a very reasonable
Speaker 7: argument that we need to lift up people who've been
Speaker 7: left behind by various heritages of vexed hair.
Speaker 5: I don't even know why that's controversial.
Speaker 15: That's not that's not controversial.
Speaker 7: People are fine with helping out people who are disadvantaged.
Speaker 7: I mean that there's people are good with that. I mean,
Speaker 7: they don't think necessary.
Speaker 5: Here's where I'm lost, right, because you just said people
Speaker 5: don't like that.
Speaker 6: So I guess is it is it because of.
Speaker 7: My DEI or reparations or whatever, I mean whatever kind
Speaker 7: of a basket of things that sound to them like
Speaker 7: they're going to give people stuff that they didn't you know,
Speaker 7: sort of earn.
Speaker 1: What is it we're doing.
Speaker 6: Tariffs are there to repair the damage?
Speaker 1: Yes, Riffs are our.
Speaker 7: Economic policy that's supposed to make it, you know, sort
Speaker 7: of more things made in America. It's supposed to help
Speaker 7: manufacturing workers.
Speaker 15: Yes, and so on.
Speaker 7: Okay, so what do I suggest that people look at
Speaker 7: class different from race.
Speaker 15: What can I tell you?
Speaker 1: It's just but it's all mixed together.
Speaker 15: It's all mixed together.
Speaker 2: So why are you yelling because you seem to.
Speaker 7: Be determined to Uh, I don't know. Just what's your point?
Speaker 7: It's like race is more important than class.
Speaker 15: No, what's your point?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: My point is it seems that government's job is to
Speaker 5: look at the systems that we use in this country
Speaker 5: to create wealth and progress, sure, and then to look
Speaker 5: at the natural areas where those systems create collateral damage
Speaker 5: and repair as best they can the collateral damage of
Speaker 5: those systems. And I don't understand why we've singled out
Speaker 5: DEI as the devil and helping manufacturing as smart and
Speaker 5: good like.
Speaker 6: Isn't it all the same thing?
Speaker 7: The point about DII is is not particularly effective and
Speaker 7: lift But.
Speaker 6: That's a different argument, does it not?
Speaker 15: No, it's not a different argument.
Speaker 7: Basically, what I'm saying is that what if you want
Speaker 7: to actually help people and materialist you want you want
Speaker 7: universal policies that will disproportionately lift up stay black and
Speaker 7: Latato poor people because they're more heavily concentrated among people who.
Speaker 15: Are will also be covinted that is what is popular.
Speaker 5: But they were explicitly disadvantaged, so why wouldn't we try
Speaker 5: to repair that? But my point is if the government
Speaker 5: picks winners and losers all the time. We have subsidies
Speaker 5: for farming areas, and those aren't controversial because they say
Speaker 5: the policies that we have in place have hurt farmers,
Speaker 5: So let's get some subsidies in there to ameliorate the damage.
Speaker 6: That is a particular one.
Speaker 7: If you want to you want to help out people
Speaker 7: who live in say, poor black areas of poor Latino areas, yes,
Speaker 7: you can't just channel that money to people who are
Speaker 7: Latino and black, because that's unconstitutional and is extremely unpopular.
Speaker 7: If you want to lift them up, have universal programs
Speaker 7: that actually help people live in those disadvents.
Speaker 15: Everybody's for that. Everybody's for that.
Speaker 2: That's not d I D I is really different.
Speaker 15: I think I know they're completely different.
Speaker 5: I think I think said I disagree with you that
Speaker 5: everybody's for it because I think they view that as woke.
Speaker 5: That what I just described they would view as woke,
Speaker 5: and that is.
Speaker 6: Of a different that's all right.
Speaker 5: I get the sense that in this country people look
Speaker 5: at entrenched poverty in the cities and think that it
Speaker 5: is a product of culture and vice, and they look
Speaker 5: at entrenched poverty in whier areas and think that they
Speaker 5: are victims of economic policies that they are not in
Speaker 5: control of. I do think in this country it's viewed differently.
Speaker 1: I just think it's.
Speaker 5: You know, here's what you didn't get, here's what you
Speaker 5: didn't get during the crack crisis, deaths of despair, these
Speaker 5: poor people. But in the federal Christness, rightfully, so you do.
Speaker 5: And I think some of that has to do with
Speaker 5: the populations. And so that's my point is why is DEI.
Speaker 5: I feel like that it's a failure to describe what
Speaker 5: we're trying to do.
Speaker 7: Okay, well, di I isn't the name for what you
Speaker 7: want then.
Speaker 6: Because DEI is the only things allowed.
Speaker 15: Behind black and Latino.
Speaker 5: But the real things that would help entrenched poverty in
Speaker 5: those cities aren't done in favor of Okay, we're not
Speaker 5: actually going to do that, but we will let you
Speaker 5: have an hour every three months where you get to
Speaker 5: tell us.
Speaker 15: I agree with that. I agree with that.
Speaker 7: I think DII is a very poor substitute for those
Speaker 7: kinds of programs.
Speaker 5: Could you just look into that camera and say that
Speaker 5: do you think it is something that can be fixed?
Speaker 5: Is it perception or is it reality?
Speaker 7: It is a matter of the kinds of programs will
Speaker 7: have to be promulgated on a universal basis which have
Speaker 7: a disproportionate effect on black and Latino working class and
Speaker 7: poor people. That's how you do it, and it's possible
Speaker 7: to build support for those, I really believe. Don't call
Speaker 7: it DEI don't call it reparations, don't call it anything
Speaker 7: like that because those are really unpopular. Call it you're
Speaker 7: just trying to help people who are disadvantage and then
Speaker 7: maybe complex historical reasons for it. And there's black people
Speaker 7: and white people and Latino people all need that kind
Speaker 7: of help.
Speaker 15: That is actually pretty popular.
Speaker 5: Why do you think the Republicans don't have to play
Speaker 5: by those same rules, Like if you're pro Palestine, they're
Speaker 5: very happy going. You're a terrorist sympathizer, if you want
Speaker 5: certain economics, you're a Marxist and a communist.
Speaker 1: They name call constantly. They do the.
Speaker 5: Same thing that you're saying they do, So why well
Speaker 5: they don't seem to ever have like this if.
Speaker 7: They really wanted to seriously dominate the country in a
Speaker 7: way that's different than taking advantage of fact people hated
Speaker 7: the Biden Harris administration. They would have to like push
Speaker 7: back on stuff like that. They would have to move
Speaker 7: to the center themselves. That's the whole thing about the
Speaker 7: political era we're in. We're in an era where both
Speaker 7: Democrats and Republicans seem incapable, maybe even not interested in
Speaker 7: forming a dominant majority coalition and sort of standing off
Speaker 7: their rough edges, correcting the things they need to be corrected,
Speaker 7: and really capturing the center of American politics in a
Speaker 7: decisive way. And absolutely the Republicans have the same problems,
Speaker 7: but they say and do a lot of stupid stuff.
Speaker 7: It's a feeling on their support.
Speaker 5: Generally, the biggest movements in America that have done what
Speaker 5: you're saying weren't centrist. The New Deal in FDR was
Speaker 5: considered far left. Reagan and the Reagan Revolution was considered
Speaker 5: far right. And it seems like the centrist Romney McCain,
Speaker 5: those guys got their asses kicked.
Speaker 15: So I always was actually quite centrist.
Speaker 7: I mean really popular interest, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 6: Basically Norman Thomas and socialism.
Speaker 7: No, no, it was basically it was the institution of
Speaker 7: economic talk in the country, and it was actually wildly
Speaker 7: popular at the time. I mean, people revered FDR. They
Speaker 7: what he stood up for the common man and woman. Well, okay,
Speaker 7: but they still liked it.
Speaker 6: But it wasn't No, it wasn't.
Speaker 7: I'm not defining the center as being a particular ideology.
Speaker 7: I'm defining it as what do people in the center
Speaker 7: of the distribution want?
Speaker 15: What do they care about? What are their concerns?
Speaker 5: You mean like that you're talking about statistical Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: you know, that's my thing.
Speaker 7: Sorry, guilty as charge.
Speaker 5: I didn't know statisticians were such argumentative sons and pictures.
Speaker 15: Are you pretty argumentative yourself?
Speaker 6: Can I tell you something super argumentative?
Speaker 12: Like?
Speaker 5: I actually don't like that about myself. I'm very contrarian too,
Speaker 5: like and can get a little sanctumous. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: know what I'm gonna do about that. I have the
Speaker 5: feeling it's not going to get it's not going to
Speaker 5: get any better. I'm gonna be one of those dudes
Speaker 5: where people are just like, don't invite him, right right.
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Speaker 14: Well, John, we'll be talking about my weekend trip to
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Speaker 14: with President elect Trump.
Speaker 6: Reopened the cup.
Speaker 14: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 6: Does he didn't you spend the.
Speaker 1: Last year calling him a face?
Speaker 6: Let's not know how I remember it.
Speaker 14: No, but I wanted to go down there for unity.
Speaker 14: I want to be unified with all the people who
Speaker 14: he won't be getting revenge on. We had a great
Speaker 14: conversation about mass deportation, and the bottom line is I
Speaker 14: can tell you now that, uh, I'm gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: What about all the people being mass supported.
Speaker 14: Oh yes, I can tell them too that I'm gonna
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