WEBVTT - Legally Brunette: Gabby Petito 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:05.160 Hi, everyone, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:09.640 be your host Emily Simpson with my co host Shane Simpson, 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.280 and today we just want to do first some quick updates. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.040 Let's just talk about Menendez quickly, because some things have 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.840 been happening there. First of all, their resentencing hearing is 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.639 still scheduled from March twentieth and twenty first, but my 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.840 prediction is that it is going to get re scheduled 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:32.120 again because on Gavin Newsom's new podcast, he announced that 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.519 he's going to use his power of commuting their sentence 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.160 possibly maybe I don't know, but he's taking a look 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:39.720 into it. 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.720 Why now, you know, he's just, oh, this is popular, 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:45.880 I could do this on my podcast. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.600 So basically, he's ordering the Pearl Board to do to 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.280 investigate whether the brothers would pose an unreasonable risks to 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.520 the public if they were released from prison. So what 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.680 they're going to do is they'll do this investigation, they'll 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.800 come up with a report, and they're going to issue 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.639 the report to Newsom but also to the judge and 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.560 the court and the DA Hawkman. But I would assume 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.800 that report is not going to come out until after 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.160 March twentieth. So my guess would be that these hearings 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:13.679 are not going to go forward on the twentieth. They're 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:17.840 going to get re rescheduled until after this report comes out. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.240 But that's a good question because my first thought when 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.679 I saw that Gavin Newsom was now getting involved in 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.319 this case, where before he said he was kind of 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.240 going to let the DA and the court system and 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.839 the judge handle it, I thought it looked like a. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.760 Pr Oh yeah, it totally is. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.440 This is popular, I'll talk about it. I mean, let's 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.760 be honest. His image wasn't looking great after the fires. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.480 A lot of people were calling for his resignation and 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.680 saying he didn't handle that well. Now he has a 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.000 new podcast. His first episode of his podcast, he talks 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.160 about how he's going to possibly get involved in the 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.040 Menindaz case. Also, I know the DA hawkman came forward 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.600 and said that he what he did was he made 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:00.559 an informal response to their habeas petition. Now, the habeas 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.680 petition is a completely different avenue. It has nothing to 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.720 do with the resentencing, and he said that basically he 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.280 didn't think that they should get a new trial. That 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.079 would be the habeat route, which I agree, but he 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.280 was saying it was you know, he talks about how 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.920 they're telling a continuum of lies during their original trials, 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:19.799 and then he doesn't believe that this new evidence that 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:24.600 came forward anyway. So basically, it looks like the habeas 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:30.040 route is not one that's really an avenue that's going 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:31.240 to work for them. We're really going to have to 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.280 focus on the recent while right the resentencing, or on 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.160 Gavin Newsom, so we'll see what happens there. All right, 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:42.120 let's get into Normally. I don't like to do housewife 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.080 stuff because I feel like there's so much going on 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.280 with other legal situations. But let's talk about Karen Huger 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.400 just for a little bit. So eleven months after Karen 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.160 got drunk and crashed her Maserati into a street sign, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:58.000 the Montgomery County Circuit Court Judge Terrence McGahn sentenced Karen 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.720 Huger to two years in jail, one suspended. So she 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.080 is going to have to spend a year in prison. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.760 I don't know, do you think I think she'll probably 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.040 do six months maybe? 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.320 Or do you think I don't know how it works 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:16.080 where she is. But this is not her first UI, correct, No, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.079 it's thing. It's important to know the history to know 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:19.960 if the sentencing is valid or not. 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.600 It is my understanding that this is her fourth Now 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.160 I believe that there's been long periods of time maybe 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:26.960 between the first second, and. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.959 It doesn't matter. But to me it doesn't. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.720 Matter, no, I know. But also she was fined twenty 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:37.000 nine hundred dollars to go along with her her sentence. 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.600 If you don't want learn your lesson because of a 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.160 two year sentence, maybe this twenty nine hundred dollars fine 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.560 will teach you something. Probably costs tens of thousands of 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.960 dollars of court time and everything, and all sudden they're like, oh, 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.040 pay two thousand dollars. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.120 I mean the street sign she hit probably costs twenty 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.560 nine hundred dollars. So Karen was found guilty of DUI 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.200 negligent driving, failure to control speed to avoid a collision, 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.200 and failure to know to fight her change of address. 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.680 She won't be allowed to drive for a year after 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.800 she's released, and if she violates probation, Hugre will be 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:11.040 sent back to jail to serve the year of the 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.280 suspended time. This is Karen Huger's fourth d U. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.799 I should take people's license away. Sorry, I mean once 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.159 maybe after that, it's like, take the license away. You're 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:23.880 no good, you're a minister society. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.520 You're as sorry you are. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.760 She is she's gonna kill someone? Well she, I mean 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.760 why why is now? Is she gonna be like, oh, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.280 I should start being responsible? 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.000 Well, she's lucky she didn't kill someone after four UI, 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.400 so you got really lucky that someone was not injured. 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:44.040 Or it's ridiculous. Remember my daughter, her fifth grade teacher, 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:48.159 mister Clark, and when she got him, she was thrilled 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.000 killed by a drunk driver mid school year. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:51.720 I remember that. 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.680 And it was not the drunk driver's first killing as 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.159 a result of drunk driving. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.360 Oh you mean not only first offense, but they had 0:04:59.480 --> 0:04:59.919 that someone? 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:05.800 Yes, yes, wow, not okay, anyway. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.359 All right, let's move on. This is just an interesting 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.200 story that's popped up in the media. I'm sure everyone's been. 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:15.280 Thinking about it. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.240 And obsessing over it. But it is the death of 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.960 Gene Hackman. And I will tell you I find this 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:24.480 really interesting. Luke, my son, our son. I forgot our son, 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.359 our son wanted to watch he had watched this before 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.640 was Shane, but he wanted to watch the Poseidoniden. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.279 Adventure is an excellent movie, but not like the recent. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.719 He wanted to watch the nineteen seventy two versions. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.799 The only good one the one with Kurt Russell, though, okay, 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:44.359 nobody So. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:51.039 Luke and I watched this the day before, and while 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.440 we were watching it, I remember thinking to myself, is 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:54.440 Gene Hackman s so? 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.320 You asked me, and I told you. I said, well, 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.120 he's ninety four. Last year a photo popped up of 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.920 him being ninety four or he did not look healthy 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.120 at all. I said, I don't know he's gonna make 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.800 it to ninety five. And then I didn't know you 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.080 could put a curse on people. Apparently you're a. 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:14.000 Witch, which thank you for telling our children that. Because 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:17.760 I brought up Gene Hackman two days. I was inquiring 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.120 about his health and whether he was still alive, and 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.640 then the story broke forty eight hours later that Gene 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.640 Hackman and his wife and a dog were found dead. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.640 I love Gene Hackman, you do, Yeah, I do. I 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.160 think he's a great actor. That's partly why Pside Adventure 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:34.680 is really good. I know people aren't here for a 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.800 movie Becauseiden Venture has a great story. 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.599 Okay. Gene Hackman and his wife, along with their dog, 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.400 were found dead this week and circumstances officials have called 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:48.120 suspicious enough to warrant a thorough investigation. So Hackman and 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.880 his wife's bodies were discovered by maintenance workers at their 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.359 home just before two pm. And that was the last Wednesday, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.120 February twenty six. Now, I will tell you I was 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.280 looking into it again this morning, you see if there 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.719 was new information in this case, and I read that 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:06.000 according to his pacemaker, the last known activity on his 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.440 pacemaker was February seventeenth. 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.120 Wow, So they are assuming just basically what date was 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:13.080 he found Well, he. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:14.720 Was found dead February twenty. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.440 Six, so that would put him at nine days. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.320 Yeah, the last activity that was recorded on his pacemaker 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.760 was February seventeenth, so they're assuming that that was most 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:29.080 likely when they died. So a caller told nine to 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.240 one one that they could see two unconscious people through 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.480 a window but could not enter the home. According to 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.200 the call the cause of death of Hackman, who was 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.560 ninety five and his wife, Betsy, was sixty three, are 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.760 not known at this time, but I did read that 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:47.040 they have ruled out carbon monoxide or any type of natural. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:47.720 Gas hold out. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.640 That's what I read on autopsy. I believe so because 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.200 the daughters, so Gene Hackman has daughters, had said in 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.640 an interview that maybe it was carbon monoxide, and then 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.960 I read that had been ruled out. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:05.120 But they said that as a just a reasonable assumption 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:06.920 based on them being found dead on the floor. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.800 And I guess how the investigation right. So the couple's 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.800 bodies were found in separate rooms and their secluded home. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.840 This is in Santa Fe. So Jeene Hackman was found 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:17.840 in at. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.480 Went if we died in our sleep, yeah, that's how. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.960 Shane was on the couch with the TV on and 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.680 Emily had the phone on her face, laying in bed, 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:29.800 dummy worms. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:36.240 Yeah, and the dogs were everywhere. So they were found 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.000 in separate rooms. Gene Hackman was found in a mudroom 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.720 and they are assuming that he possibly fell because he 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.240 had his cane and like some sunglasses lying next to him, 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.240 so it looks like maybe he took a fall were 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.160 next to them. But what is strange is his wife 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.040 was found in a bathroom with scattered pills. Now, also 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.000 there were three dogs in the residence and one dog 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.040 was found in a closet inside a crate. 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:05.520 I read that a lot of reports said, all, there's 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:06.079 three dogs. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:06.840 There's three dogs. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.760 One was found dead inside a crate, so likely lacking 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.720 food and water. That would be my thought seven days 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.400 based on what we're reading. And then there were two 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.280 other dogs found in the residents that were alive and 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.240 not in a crate or a closet, right. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.120 But I did read somewhere that one was in the bathroom, 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:24.320 but I don't know if he was locked in the 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.840 bathroom or they just found him wandering and he ended up. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.800 It would make more sense now that one's in a crate, 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.760 passed away because unfortunately neglected with food and water, and 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.360 the others maybe were able to kind of fin for themselves, 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.560 and you know, right, they. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.200 Maybe they dug through the trash or eat something in. 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.880 A right, or maybe there's plenty of dog food out, 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:42.560 you know right. 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:47.800 So, Betsy, this is why her body showed obvious signs 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.960 of death, body decomposition, bloating in her face, and mummification 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:54.040 in both hands and feet. Hackman's body was then found 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:55.719 on the ground near the kitchen. This is in the 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.560 mudroom in a similar condition, So the sheriff later said 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.880 there was no indication that either of them had suffered 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:06.040 injuries from a fall. So what is your thoughts? There's 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.480 so many scenarios that go through my mind. First of all, 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.040 did he fall and when he hit the ground he 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.360 died because he's ninety five, so maybe the fall alone 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.040 was enough to kill him. Then his wife found him dead. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.400 Then she freaked out because she can't live without him, 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:20.480 so she took pills. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.560 I thought it was odd when the daughters said that 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.240 they had not spoken to him for a few months. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:26.640 They didn't say it like it was a bad thing. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:28.760 They said it like just as a matter of fact, like, oh, 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.199 we haven't spoken to her dad in a few I'm like, 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.000 yeah'm spilling your dad in a few months, especially when 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.160 your dad's gene Hackney. Okay, but I have a few 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.600 months my dad and a few months Okay, but yeah, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:38.679 but that's a different scenario. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:40.480 But how do you know it's a different scenario. 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.079 I don't know. Well, I don't know because I'll tell 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.960 you because the daughters didn't say well, certainly I didn't 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.800 read everything, but assuming there was I just find not 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.560 talking to your parents after a few months when they're ninety. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.960 That old is a little odd. Now, if there was 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.680 distance and they just had no close relationship, then okay, 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.000 then that makes sense. 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.920 Okay, Well here's my thoughts as someone who is not 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.680 very close with my dad and has a stepmom. My 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:11.439 sister and I have always had a lack of communication 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.080 with my dad because my stepmom controls. We call her 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:18.199 the gatekeeper. And when I was reading this about Gene Hackman, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:20.319 I kind of felt like it was the same scenario 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.200 because it said Hackman did not even have a phone 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.480 or an email address, and his friends had to go 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.800 through his wife to get in touch with him. Now 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.720 I understand that because that's what I have to do 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:29.560 to talk to my dad. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.480 Yeah, but I think your dad doesn't want doesn't care 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:33.880 for technology. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.319 I don't think it's just that I think he doesn't 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:37.760 care for technology because he's. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:42.240 Told okay, well, you know, being ninety five, maybe he 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.240 just never really I heard from read what I read, 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.559 which doesn't mean it's accurate that she kept him out 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:53.160 of the spotlight, she kept him away from fans this 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.320 and that. Now, maybe he wanted that initially, she took 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.120 it too far. I don't know, but if she is 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:01.680 this gatekeeper, then him and dying and he wasn't a 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.600 small guy. If he's if he fell and got hurt 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.559 and she couldn't care for him, and maybe she tried 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.840 to care for him and set herself couldn't and it 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.439 just went south from there. I don't know. But there 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.320 was like a story that like when he was he 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.840 was in the hospital a while ago, she would dress 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.439 up as a nurse and go in and out so 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.400 people wouldn't think she was the wife. She was like hiding. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.200 Wait, but why wouldn't she want people to know that 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:25.319 she was the wife? I don't know. 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.720 It was like she was hiding from paparazzi or public. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.200 Oh so she dressed up as a nurse in order 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:30.960 to visit him. 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.400 Saying what I read was accurate. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.760 Yes, Well I don't know. So anyway, what are your 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.720 thoughts on this? Here's my question is she's in her sixties. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.800 She's thirty something year younger than him, So the chances 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:44.360 of her dying from a natural caused the same that 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:48.000 he died doesn't make sense. So that's where the suspicion 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.319 comes in. Did she take pills because she couldn't live 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:51.160 without him. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.040 Is there some outside the time will certainly tell? 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:56.600 Okay, but we're going to keep up with the story 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.760 because Shane, I did not know Shane had such a 0:12:58.800 --> 0:12:59.240 deep love. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.920 So like The Heist is a really good movie, the 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.440 French Connection, he plays Popeye Doyle, really good car chasing there, 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.200 he's you know, he's great. I think his Lex Luthor 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:13.800 role was was terrible. 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.360 Well, I'm glad that you you do give him credit 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.000 words due? Okay, So let's move on to the stream 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.599 measures with you. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.679 You what's his name? You great? 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:26.920 Okay, good, thank you? 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:28.240 It was really good. 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.000 We are now legally Brunette and we do movie reviews 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:42.480 at the same time. Let's move on to the murder 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.280 of Gabby Patito. Now, I when this case came out, 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:47.480 did you follow it at all? 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.160 Absolutely? You did, just just like daily what was on 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:51.560 the news. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.000 Okay, I did not. I know, I didn't. I remember 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.120 briefly hearing things about it, but I really didn't know 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.440 a lot of details about it. I didn't know what happened. 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.720 I didn't even know. I didn't know a lot about it. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.080 But I did watch the Netflix special, which is on 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:06.880 Netflix right now. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:07.800 Now I know everything. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.720 There's no, no, But I did watch the Netflix series 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.400 and I was so invested in it that I then 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.679 went outside and I googled more things, I did more research, 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.200 I read more things. So anyway, guys, I'm excited. We're 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.400 going to talk about Gabby Patito today. So if you 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.280 haven't seen the Netflix special, I would say to watch it. 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:27.280 It's three episodes. 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.680 It's three episodes. They also, which is interesting, they took 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.920 her voice and then made an AI recreation of her 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:39.040 voice to read her journal entries, so that's her speaking, 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.560 but not her organic they pull out right, So let's 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.440 just do a little background about the facts of this 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.400 case so we can all just be on the same page, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:48.960 and then we're going to go through like a little time. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:53.280 So there's Gabby, who's the girl, and then the boyfriend 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.440 fiance is Brian Laundry. 0:14:55.680 --> 0:15:00.760 Brian So Gabrielle Venora Patito entered the world March nineteenth 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.400 of nineteen ninety nine. Tragically, on August twenty seventh, twenty 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.560 twenty one, her life was cut short at the young 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.720 age of twenty two. She was on a cross country 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.960 road trip with our fiance, Brian Laundry, and they were 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:17.000 visiting national Parks when he strangled her to death. This 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.920 devastating event highlights the horrific reality that some individuals can 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.400 become perpetrators of violence against those that they really should 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.120 cherish in safeguard. And I think one of the main 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.320 issues in white people are so engrossed in this is 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.000 because when you watch the special, or you read the facts, 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.400 or you read about what has happened, I think there 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.480 are many times where you can see an avenue where 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:43.320 Gabby could possibly escape or someone could help, and it 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.720 just doesn't turn out that way. And I think that's 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.840 what's so frustrating, So. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.800 That I think that that and not a conclusive like 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.080 timeline of what happened and how he killed her, and 0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:01.480 then coupled with lots of video and audio during this 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.480 whole time right for us to see. 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.960 Let's start. So in July second and twenty twenty one, 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.560 Gabby Patito and her friend and say Brian embark on 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.080 a form of trip traveling across the United States and 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.880 their camper van. Now the van was purchased by Gabby 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:15.680 and the van is in Gabby's name, which I think 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.200 is important. Gabby wanted to be a vlogger and she 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.480 wanted to make a YouTube channel. Gabby's friends and families 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.200 say that this was something she wanted to make a 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.920 career out of, but Brian did not seem to support it. 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.480 I mean the interviews on the in the special, they 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.040 do talk about how he thought it was dumb, he 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.320 thought it was silly. He wasn't really behind it. And 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.840 I did find it interesting, or that's just because I 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.960 do love tacos. But Gabby worked full time at Taco Bell. 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.120 Oh yeah, in order to earn enough money to buy 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:42.560 this van. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:43.960 Well, it was to fix up the van. 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.280 Yeah, well they had to should buy the van. They 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.280 had to fix up the van, and I have for 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.360 transit some spending money for this trip. 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.720 So well, and they wanted to convert it because it 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.480 was just a little delivery van, so they had to 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.040 convert it a little bit right to commentate what they 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.240 wanted and probably get video equipment right. And her little 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.840 sign off to people was have a taco tastic day. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:08.040 Yes, have a taco tastic day. All right. So they're 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.280 out and about, they're going to national parks. She's trying 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.119 to document it. I can tell she's frustrated because he 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.560 doesn't Brian the fiance doesn't seem to be helping her 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.480 with any of the technology or editing part that seems 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.240 to be all on her shoulders. Then on August twelfth, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.120 this is a very. 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.720 Well it's evidenced by when you watch the documentary and 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.480 it shows unedited videos, so them trying to capture videos, 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.480 video content, and you could tell it's him just kind 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.400 of shrugging it off or not really engaging, and she's 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.720 trying to figure it out, like she's not a natural. 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.240 She was kind of trying to egg him on to 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.480 help her, and he was kind of brushing it off. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.400 Yeah, you could tell. 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:49.399 So you wonder if he just didn't want to be 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:49.960 on video. 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:52.840 Well, that was something that I think someone said in 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.199 an interview, one of her friends, possibly I think it 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.320 was Rose, said maybe he was reluctant or has to 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.560 be on this video because he knows what he's like. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:03.800 I can't always. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.679 Control he comes up. Might actually I don't the camera. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.480 To be rolling exactly. So August twelfth, at twenty twenty 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.320 one is a very important date in the Gabby Patito case. 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.720 This is the day when they are going through Moab 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.000 and Shane and I have been to Moab just interesting 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:22.040 fun fact there. But bodycam footage from police officer Eric 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.080 Pratt shows Brian and Gabby's van being pulled over on 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.600 the side of the road in Moab City, Utah. Earlier 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.480 that day, officers had received a call from someone reporting 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.720 that the caller had witnessed a male slapping a female 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.680 and a white van fitting the same description. So through 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.160 the bodycam footage, we see Gabby hysterically crying to officers. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.320 She talks about how she has OCD, she has really 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.760 bad anxiety. When the officer asked her what's wrong, Gabby states, 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.480 We've just been fighting this morning, some personal issues. Yeah, 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.360 I don't know, it's just some days I have really 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.840 bad OCD and I was just cleaning it, straightening up. 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.560 I was apologizing to him, saying that I'm so mean 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.160 because sometimes I have OCD and I get frustrated. However, 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.760 this is the part that I think kind of boggles 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.960