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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll

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Speaker 1: be your host Emily Simpson with my co host Shane Simpson,

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Speaker 1: and today we just want to do first some quick updates.

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Speaker 1: Let's just talk about Menendez quickly, because some things have

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Speaker 1: been happening there. First of all, their resentencing hearing is

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Speaker 1: still scheduled from March twentieth and twenty first, but my

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Speaker 1: prediction is that it is going to get re scheduled

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Speaker 1: again because on Gavin Newsom's new podcast, he announced that

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Speaker 1: he's going to use his power of commuting their sentence

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Speaker 1: possibly maybe I don't know, but he's taking a look

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Speaker 1: into it.

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Speaker 2: Why now, you know, he's just, oh, this is popular,

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Speaker 2: I could do this on my podcast.

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Speaker 1: So basically, he's ordering the Pearl Board to do to

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Speaker 1: investigate whether the brothers would pose an unreasonable risks to

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Speaker 1: the public if they were released from prison. So what

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Speaker 1: they're going to do is they'll do this investigation, they'll

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Speaker 1: come up with a report, and they're going to issue

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Speaker 1: the report to Newsom but also to the judge and

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Speaker 1: the court and the DA Hawkman. But I would assume

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Speaker 1: that report is not going to come out until after

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Speaker 1: March twentieth. So my guess would be that these hearings

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Speaker 1: are not going to go forward on the twentieth. They're

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Speaker 1: going to get re rescheduled until after this report comes out.

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Speaker 1: But that's a good question because my first thought when

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Speaker 1: I saw that Gavin Newsom was now getting involved in

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Speaker 1: this case, where before he said he was kind of

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Speaker 1: going to let the DA and the court system and

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Speaker 1: the judge handle it, I thought it looked like a.

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Speaker 2: Pr Oh yeah, it totally is.

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Speaker 1: This is popular, I'll talk about it. I mean, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest. His image wasn't looking great after the fires.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people were calling for his resignation and

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Speaker 1: saying he didn't handle that well. Now he has a

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Speaker 1: new podcast. His first episode of his podcast, he talks

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Speaker 1: about how he's going to possibly get involved in the

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Speaker 1: Menindaz case. Also, I know the DA hawkman came forward

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Speaker 1: and said that he what he did was he made

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Speaker 1: an informal response to their habeas petition. Now, the habeas

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Speaker 1: petition is a completely different avenue. It has nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with the resentencing, and he said that basically he

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Speaker 1: didn't think that they should get a new trial. That

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Speaker 1: would be the habeat route, which I agree, but he

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Speaker 1: was saying it was you know, he talks about how

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Speaker 1: they're telling a continuum of lies during their original trials,

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Speaker 1: and then he doesn't believe that this new evidence that

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Speaker 1: came forward anyway. So basically, it looks like the habeas

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Speaker 1: route is not one that's really an avenue that's going

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Speaker 1: to work for them. We're really going to have to

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Speaker 1: focus on the recent while right the resentencing, or on

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, so we'll see what happens there. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's get into Normally. I don't like to do housewife

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Speaker 1: stuff because I feel like there's so much going on

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Speaker 1: with other legal situations. But let's talk about Karen Huger

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Speaker 1: just for a little bit. So eleven months after Karen

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Speaker 1: got drunk and crashed her Maserati into a street sign,

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Speaker 1: the Montgomery County Circuit Court Judge Terrence McGahn sentenced Karen

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Speaker 1: Huger to two years in jail, one suspended. So she

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Speaker 1: is going to have to spend a year in prison.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, do you think I think she'll probably

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Speaker 1: do six months maybe?

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Speaker 2: Or do you think I don't know how it works

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Speaker 2: where she is. But this is not her first UI, correct, No,

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Speaker 2: it's thing. It's important to know the history to know

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Speaker 2: if the sentencing is valid or not.

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Speaker 1: It is my understanding that this is her fourth Now

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Speaker 1: I believe that there's been long periods of time maybe

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. But to me it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Matter, no, I know. But also she was fined twenty

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Speaker 1: nine hundred dollars to go along with her her sentence.

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Speaker 2: If you don't want learn your lesson because of a

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Speaker 2: two year sentence, maybe this twenty nine hundred dollars fine

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Speaker 2: will teach you something. Probably costs tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: I mean the street sign she hit probably costs twenty

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Speaker 1: She won't be allowed to drive for a year after

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Speaker 2: I should take people's license away. Sorry, I mean once

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Speaker 2: maybe after that, it's like, take the license away. You're

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Speaker 2: no good, you're a minister society.

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Speaker 1: You're as sorry you are.

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Speaker 2: She is she's gonna kill someone? Well she, I mean

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Speaker 2: why why is now? Is she gonna be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I should start being responsible?

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Speaker 1: Well, she's lucky she didn't kill someone after four UI,

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Speaker 1: so you got really lucky that someone was not injured.

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Speaker 2: Or it's ridiculous. Remember my daughter, her fifth grade teacher,

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Speaker 2: mister Clark, and when she got him, she was thrilled

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Speaker 2: killed by a drunk driver mid school year.

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Speaker 1: I remember that.

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Speaker 2: And it was not the drunk driver's first killing as

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Speaker 2: a result of drunk driving.

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Speaker 1: Oh you mean not only first offense, but they had

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, wow, not okay, anyway.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. This is just an interesting

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Speaker 1: story that's popped up in the media. I'm sure everyone's been.

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Speaker 2: Thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: And obsessing over it. But it is the death of

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Speaker 1: Gene Hackman. And I will tell you I find this

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Speaker 1: really interesting. Luke, my son, our son. I forgot our son,

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Speaker 1: our son wanted to watch he had watched this before

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Speaker 1: was Shane, but he wanted to watch the Poseidoniden.

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Speaker 2: Adventure is an excellent movie, but not like the recent.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to watch the nineteen seventy two versions.

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Speaker 2: The only good one the one with Kurt Russell, though, okay,

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Speaker 1: Luke and I watched this the day before, and while

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Speaker 1: we were watching it, I remember thinking to myself, is

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Speaker 1: Gene Hackman s so?

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Speaker 2: You asked me, and I told you. I said, well,

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Speaker 2: he's ninety four. Last year a photo popped up of

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Speaker 2: him being ninety four or he did not look healthy

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Speaker 2: at all. I said, I don't know he's gonna make

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Speaker 2: it to ninety five. And then I didn't know you

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Speaker 2: could put a curse on people. Apparently you're a.

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Speaker 1: Witch, which thank you for telling our children that. Because

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Speaker 1: I brought up Gene Hackman two days. I was inquiring

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Speaker 1: then the story broke forty eight hours later that Gene

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Speaker 2: I love Gene Hackman, you do, Yeah, I do. I

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Speaker 2: think he's a great actor. That's partly why Pside Adventure

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Speaker 2: movie Becauseiden Venture has a great story.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Gene Hackman and his wife, along with their dog,

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Speaker 1: were found dead this week and circumstances officials have called

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Speaker 1: suspicious enough to warrant a thorough investigation. So Hackman and

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Speaker 1: his wife's bodies were discovered by maintenance workers at their

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Speaker 1: February twenty six. Now, I will tell you I was

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Speaker 1: looking into it again this morning, you see if there

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Speaker 1: was new information in this case, and I read that

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Speaker 2: Wow, So they are assuming just basically what date was

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Speaker 1: Was found dead February twenty.

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Speaker 2: Six, so that would put him at nine days.

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Speaker 1: the call the cause of death of Hackman, who was

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Speaker 1: ninety five and his wife, Betsy, was sixty three, are

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Speaker 1: they have ruled out carbon monoxide or any type of natural.

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Speaker 1: That's what I read on autopsy. I believe so because

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Speaker 2: But they said that as a just a reasonable assumption

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Speaker 1: And I guess how the investigation right. So the couple's

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Speaker 2: Went if we died in our sleep, yeah, that's how.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the dogs were everywhere. So they were found

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Speaker 1: But I did read somewhere that one was in the bathroom,

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Speaker 2: It would make more sense now that one's in a crate,

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Speaker 1: Maybe they dug through the trash or eat something in.

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Speaker 2: A right, or maybe there's plenty of dog food out,

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Speaker 1: So, Betsy, this is why her body showed obvious signs

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Speaker 1: in both hands and feet. Hackman's body was then found

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Speaker 1: there was no indication that either of them had suffered

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Speaker 1: so many scenarios that go through my mind. First of all,

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Speaker 1: Then she freaked out because she can't live without him,

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Speaker 1: so she took pills.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was odd when the daughters said that

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Speaker 2: yeah'm spilling your dad in a few months, especially when

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Speaker 2: your dad's gene Hackney. Okay, but I have a few

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Speaker 1: Brian So Gabrielle Venora Patito entered the world March nineteenth

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Speaker 1: Let's start. So in July second and twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: So the way I was.

440
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Speaker 1: Understanding the car position was I felt as if one said, hey,

441
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: we don't really have discretion when it comes to domestic abuse.

442
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: In this type of situation, someone needs to be arrested.

443
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: But then I do know that they pulled the female

444
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: officer in, so I felt as if they thought that

445
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: they should arrest someone, whether it was Brian or Gabby,

446
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: because they do make clear that they think she's the aggressor.

447
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 1: But your opinion is.

448
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 2: They just well, I think they had an officer come in,

449
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 2: and I remember on video one of the officers was

450
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 2: saying something the effect of like like, hey, if you

451
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: want to if you think we're in a situation this

452
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: is a scenario where someone needs to be arrested, I'll

453
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 2: support you. If you think this is a situation where

454
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 2: it doesn't meet the checklist of having to arrest someone,

455
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 2: I'll support that too. So it was like, whatever you

456
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 2: whichever direction you want to go, I'll support it. And

457
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: then clearly they went the direction of not arresting.

458
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think about not making an arrest?

459
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 1: Because I have read several articles I have read you know,

460
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it in a little bit. But Gabby Petito,

461
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: those parents have gone on to sue the Moab City

462
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: Police Department for the way they handled the situation on

463
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: this day. Do you think that if a rest was made,

464
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: whether it was Gabby or whether it was Brian, that

465
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: it could have had a different outcome. There could have

466
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: been a they could have and.

467
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:23,239
Speaker 2: We'll never know. But they kept getting back together. They

468
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 2: kept getting back together because remember what happened is so

469
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 2: they ended up deciding to separate the two for like

470
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 2: a cooling off period, and they got him like a

471
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 2: hotel or motel and escorted him there and they gave

472
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: her the camper, probably because it was in her name,

473
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 2: and gave it to her and to give her the

474
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 2: mobility to drive home or go wherever she wanted. And

475
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 2: they advised them heavily do not contact each other tonight,

476
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: let it cool off and start again tomorrow. They didn't

477
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: do that. She immediately was texting him, so he would

478
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: have gone out of jail the next day or whatever

479
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: it was, and they would have gone right back together.

480
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: Don't think making an arrest would have made much of

481
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: a difference.

482
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that, but that doesn't mean they

483
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: I mean, if they should have arrested, they should have

484
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: arrested I think.

485
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: Maybe possibly arresting Gabby because they did claim that she

486
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: was the aggressor in this situation based upon her saying yeah.

487
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 2: I I well what right? Yeah?

488
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: But I feel like if she were arrested and she

489
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: was actually detained and then she had to make a

490
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: phone call, even though I do know she called her mom,

491
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: but if she had to call her mom and call

492
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: her parents and say I was arrested, I need your help,

493
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: I have to hire an attorney, you need to come here,

494
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: that then maybe her parents.

495
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: Would have so it would have been elevated to a

496
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: point where maybe they would would have stepped in. Yeah.

497
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's where I think that possibly there could

498
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: have been a different outcome, is if Gabby was that

499
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Speaker 1: was arrested in this situation. Also, I was confused, and

500
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody else thought this when they

501
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: were watching it, but it did bother me that she

502
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: was hysterical in the car. She said she had OCDS,

503
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: she said she was dealing with severe anxiety. But then

504
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,239
Speaker 1: they put her in a vehicle to drive away and

505
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: stay alone in her vehicle. I was like, so, the

506
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: girl who's hysterical, who says she has OCD and suffers

507
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: from anxiety, you just handed her the keys to her

508
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: vehicle and said now you're alone in a park and

509
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna stay alone in your vehicle.

510
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: Maybe they could have escorted her.

511
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: I just I didn't like that part. Also, let me

512
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: just say one more thing when it comes to the parents,

513
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know this might be an unpopular opinion.

514
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: I had a hard time with the mom. Now I

515
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: understand that she lost her daughter and she is a

516
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: grieving mother, So I'm not trying to be negative towards

517
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: the mom, But as a parent, if my twenty two

518
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: year old daughter called me from the side of a

519
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: road and said she had gotten in a fight with

520
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 1: her boyfriend and they're on a road trip alone together

521
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: and police had pulled them over and she was hysterical,

522
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I would be in a car or

523
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: on a plane immediately.

524
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: No, you wouldn't.

525
00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I would.

526
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 2: I'd be telling me too. Okay, but so on, why

527
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: did I get out there right now? That's probably true,

528
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: we would.

529
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: Have, But I'm telling you there is no way that

530
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: I would have hung up the phone and then been like, well,

531
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: I hope.

532
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: You proceed along fingers crossed.

533
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: I hope you guys get along the next day. I

534
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: just I don't know in what world me as well.

535
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: We also don't know what conversation yet. Maybe Gabby really

536
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: talked her mom into like it's fine, Maybe she calmed down.

537
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: When we don't know, Let me ask one.

538
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: More question, because when Shane and I were watching this together,

539
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: when it first showed Gabby getting the van ready and

540
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: getting in the van to go with Brian on this

541
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: cross country trip across the United States, he asked, Shane

542
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: said to me, how old is she? And I said,

543
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: she's twenty two, And he said, would you let your

544
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: daughter go on a cross country trip in a van

545
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: with her boyfriend? And I said, well, I don't know.

546
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,239
Speaker 1: That's an interesting question because one, she's twenty two, so

547
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: she's technically an adult. But also I don't think I

548
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: would be supportive of it.

549
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: Not not someone definitely not with a killer, but definitely

550
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: not with him where it didn't seem like her parents

551
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: had a close relationship with him, where they knew him

552
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: and they were familiar with him and they had a

553
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: history together. So it was kind of like, oh, my

554
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: new boyfriend and I were going to go travel to

555
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: the continental US together in this camper van. That's where

556
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: it's like what And I don't remember if there was

557
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 2: any history between him and the parents, but it just

558
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: seemed if they had been together for years family friend

559
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: engaged and there was a lot of comfort there in

560
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: knowing who he was, and they was a good part

561
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: at her and then they wanted to go on a

562
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: road trip. Yeah.

563
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the difference is what I'm picking up

564
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: from you, Because Shane does have a twenty three year

565
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: old daughter and she was recently married, so you're saying,

566
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: if Shelby went to you almost twenty two and you

567
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: didn't really know Evan, that's her her husband's husband, you

568
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: would advise her not to go.

569
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: I would be worried about her going. I'd certainly ask

570
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: a lot of questions and probably discourage her from going.

571
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: But if it was today that she was going to

572
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: do that, my questions would be more about like is

573
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: it a smart thing financially? Are you going to be sustainable?

574
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: Are you going to fall behind in whatever your plant?

575
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: Like those things, not like her safety with her husband

576
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: because we've known him for years now. He's been nothing

577
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: but good to her. They haven't had any domestic issue,

578
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Right, So it's like, yeah,

579
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: of course, now it's just a question of whether it's

580
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: a road trip's a good idea, not who you're going with.

581
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: Okay, So, as I stated a little bit earlier, so

582
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: the potitos end up filing a lawsuit against the City

583
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: of Moab for the way they handled that. So they

584
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: didn't investigate a report. And I thought this was interesting

585
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: because they did feature an interview with Officer Pratt, who

586
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: was one of the officers that was there and says,

587
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm desperately eft over that she got killed. I really am,

588
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: he said, I would have done anything to stop it

589
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: if I would have known that that was coming.

590
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: If if anyone knew, they would have stopped.

591
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: If I would have known Laundry that Brian was going

592
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: to murder her, I would have taken vacation to follow

593
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: them because I care about people to the point where

594
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: he was going to murder her, and I would have

595
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: intervened and citizens arrested him. In Wyoming, I would have

596
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: taken my own time. I would have missed my family

597
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: to go do that. Captain Brandon Radcliffe did not lay

598
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: blame on Officer Pratt or fellow responding officer Daniel Robbins, saying, quote,

599
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: they both believed at the time they were making the

600
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: right decision based on the totality of the circumstances that

601
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: were presented. That's basically your reasonable person standard in that situation,

602
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: and you know that's what we were talking about, not

603
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 1: knowing what was to come in the future. Would different

604
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: officers have handled it differently? Did they do the right thing?

605
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, But what happened in this lawsuit against

606
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: the City of Moab was basically the court dismissed it,

607
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: saying that it is really just an issue of police immunity.

608
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: You can't sue police officers, and what they did was

609
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: say but you can take it to a higher court

610
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: if they want to address the constitutionality of this immunity

611
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: that they have. So the Potitos have appealed the case.

612
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: I believe what I can find so far is basically

613
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: that it's in line to possibly be picked up by

614
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: the Utah Supreme Court. So we'll see what happens with that.

615
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: That could be a long journey there.

616
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: But as when you watched it, do you think the

617
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: police officers made the wrong choice, not not knowing the outcome,

618
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: just just watching everything as if you were there, do

619
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: you think police officers should have done something further to

620
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: separate them?

621
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: I do, because to me, she looked like a frail, scared,

622
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: timid young girl that weighs one hundred pounds, and I

623
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: thought he was creepy, even not knowing, even if you

624
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: take out the circumstances of knowing what happens in the future,

625
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: then I felt like she looked like she was in danger.

626
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: Why did the police? Why do you think the police

627
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: did not do anything?

628
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: Because I think she kept saying that he was her person.

629
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: She didn't want to be separated. They were a team.

630
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: She kept calling them a team, and I think these

631
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: cops thought, let's just separate them and then they'll be fine.

632
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: The next day, I wondered when I was watching it,

633
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: if because they weren't residents of Moab, and I wondered

634
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: if it was just like these people are coming through,

635
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: because it's something like five thousand people live in Moab,

636
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: but there's like multi like three to four million visitors

637
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: a year during peak seasons, So you'll wonder if they're

638
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: kind of like, let's just separate them and get them

639
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: to move along. Do we really want to, like, you know,

640
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: book someone from from out of our city and get

641
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: involved that way and keep them around, or are they

642
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: just traveling through and just just let them cool off

643
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: and travel through. I think them not being a residence

644
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: was taken into consideration whether they really wanted to be

645
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: invested in either of them being arrested.

646
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's probably true too, But.

647
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: Does that make it right wrong? I don't know. All right,

648
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: So this, I like how I make a pretty deep

649
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: profound I theorize something and you're like yeah. Yeah, Well,

650
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: because you.

651
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: Made your profound statement and now the listeners can agree

652
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: with you or not. It's not up for me, it's

653
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: up to them. So I just want to go on

654
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: with a little bit more of that. However, mister Radcliffe

655
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: suggested that the traffic stop should have ended with Potito's

656
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: arrests because she admitted to hitting laundry. I still kind

657
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: of disagree with that, but that's okay. Based on the

658
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: information provided in this specific incident, Brian would be the victim,

659
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: with Gabby being the suspect. I do not find that

660
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: they enforce the law. They responded to a confirmed mestic

661
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: violence incident, and they had evidence showing an assault had

662
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: taken place. The statements of all this involved, along with

663
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: the evidence presented, provided probable cause for an arrest. The

664
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: report recommended that both officers be put on probation and

665
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: that the entire department receive additional domestic violence investigation training

666
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: to ensure that officers understand state laws and statutes. We'll

667
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: see what happens. It's the next timeline event, so we're

668
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: still on the timeline. So that was the that was

669
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: August twelfth when they were pulled over. Now, August nineteenth,

670
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, Gabby and Bryan share their first and

671
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: only YouTube video highlighting their road trip across.

672
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: The United States. One video.

673
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: One out of all of that, Okay, it.

674
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: Definitely was not supportive. And what did he want? Then?

675
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: What do you think We're just going to go on

676
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: a road trip, Like she says, let's go on a

677
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: road trip and document it and try to build some

678
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: type of channel and following. And he's just like okay,

679
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: and then he has no interest in doing that party

680
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: this spants to go on the camping part. Like, what

681
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: was his plan?

682
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: I think his plan. I think he was just obsessed

683
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: with Gabby and his plan was just to be with Gaby,

684
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: isolated with her to I think he was fine isolating her.

685
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: I think he you know, earlier and the.

686
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: Darted day money did support themselves.

687
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't think they needed a lot of money. I

688
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: think they ate in the vase and I think they lived.

689
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: They took showers whatever those public shower places the police

690
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: were talking about where he kept telling her over and

691
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: over she could get a hot shower for four.

692
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: He kept saying that. I was like, Okay, good for

693
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: your wife.

694
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: I know that the police officer kept.

695
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: Telling you beat your wife she shower. Was like, you

696
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: can't say that. I don't know what he was saying.

697
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: He just kept saying, when my wife gets frazzled, she

698
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: takes a hot shower.

699
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure his wife loves that. They keep showing

700
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: that video over. He talks about how his wife suffers because.

701
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: It kind of looked like he sends his wife to

702
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: those truck stops for a Showery, you need to cool off, Yeah,

703
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: go to here. It's four bucks. Go ahead, a shower.

704
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: Okay. So the video there, their first and only video

705
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: that they posted, received five hundred views when it was

706
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: initially posted, but it has now received over ten million.

707
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: And I don't even know. Maybe it's even more than

708
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: ten million. Now, I'm not sure how recent that is.

709
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: All right, that was August nineteenth. Now we move on

710
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: to August twenty sixth of twenty twenty one. Gabby shares

711
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: her final Instagram post. It was wishing everyone a happy

712
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Halloween as she holds a crochet pumpkin. The post is

713
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: a series of selfies of Gabby looking happy and care free.

714
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: Now we move on to August twenty seventh of twenty

715
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: twenty one.

716
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: This is the.

717
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: Assumed date of Gabby's murder. However, police cannot be certain

718
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: because her body was not found right away. This is

719
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: also the last footage of Gabby that has ever been captured.

720
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: There is CCTV video of her and Brian in a

721
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: whole food store.

722
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: You can see the video of.

723
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: Them walking down the aisle shopping together, and that's the

724
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: last known time that anyone saw her.

725
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: Alive August twelve. They get pulled over by the MOAB

726
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: troopers August nineteenth, so one week later they post their

727
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: first and only video, and then another week later, August

728
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: twenty six, she heard her final Instagram post, and then

729
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: and then the following day is the assumed date of murder.

730
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, also, I know you didn't get this far,

731
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: but Gabby called an ex boyfriend.

732
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, I saw, I did see, I did watch. Okay, Well,

733
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: the first text she sent him was I'm sure I'm

734
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: the last person you want to hear from, or I'm

735
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: sure you're the I'm the last person you think you'd

736
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: hear from. Something that matter of fact, meaning they have

737
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: not communicated and it wasn't normal for her to reach

738
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: out to him. She reached out to him, and he

739
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: felt there was a reason, like it was a cry

740
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: for help.

741
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: So when Gabby was texting with this ex boyfriend, she

742
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: did make it clear. I believe that she wanted to

743
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: break up with Brian, and so I think she was

744
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: reaching out to the ex boyfriend for some kind of

745
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: help or guidance or you know, sometimes when you're just

746
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: like I'm done, but I'm stuck something.

747
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: Should want her mom to judge her, say, see, he

748
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: was not good for you, or maybe her mom wasn't

749
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: really her parents weren't so quick to come out and

750
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: save her the way she wanted it. So she called

751
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: her former boyfriend and was like, I need help. I

752
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know.

753
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: But so she calls him and he doesn't answer. He

754
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: says in an interview that he was at work so

755
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: he couldn't answer, and then that was the last time

756
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: he heard from her. Because we assume she was murdered

757
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: shortly after.

758
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: That now, and she left no message right so she

759
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: could have a lot could have been told had that

760
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: phone call been picked up.

761
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: So August twenty seventh was the last time Gabby was

762
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: seen on any footage, so we know that she was

763
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: alive on August twenty seventh. On August twenty ninth, twenty

764
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: twenty one, Brian called his parents on this day and said, quote,

765
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: Gabby is gone. He later asked his father to arrange

766
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: an attorney for him. Following this, the father.

767
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: Coust, well, how do we know these phone calls exist?

768
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: Because well, they.

769
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: End up getting the phone records and they can see

770
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: that he called his parents in the habit.

771
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: They can't see the content, So how do we know

772
00:36:59,600 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 2: the content?

773
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: Because I believe that the father came forward later and

774
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: said that that was what was.

775
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure it was accurate, okay.

776
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: So following this, Christopher Laundry, who is the dad, claimed

777
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: that quote he had no idea what to think about

778
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: what had happened to Gabby. He just asked me to

779
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: get a lawyer, and I couldn't get any more information

780
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: from him. End quote. Speaking about the day Brian called them, ROBERTA. Laundry,

781
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: who is the mother, told the court his voice was

782
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: very upset and I didn't know why. I didn't want

783
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: to push him, so we just said goodbye. When I

784
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: got off the phone, I told Chris, that's the dad,

785
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: you know. Brian sounded upset, maybe you should give him

786
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: a call. So then that's when it ended up being

787
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: a longer call. I think that's when he asked for

788
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: the attorney and said Gabby is gone. Now we get

789
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: to August thirtieth, a final text message is sent from

790
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: Gabby's phone. This is likely Brian posing as Gabby. The

791
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: text was sent to Gabby's mom, Nicole. However, Nicole felt

792
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: something was really strange with the wording of the message

793
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: because it referred to Gabby's grandfather by his first name, Stan,

794
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: which Gabby would never normally call. She would say Grandpa

795
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: or something, but she said Stan in the text message.

796
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: So you can assume on August thirtieth that he's texting

797
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: from his phone to or using her phone to reply.

798
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: He also that same day zeld himself from Gabby's account

799
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: seven hundred dollars, and then you know, on zellan notes,

800
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: he puts something to the effect of I never want

801
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: to see you again, basically if from her to him,

802
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: as if from her to him, she was buying out

803
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: of reship, like that's it. So not only did Brian

804
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: zell himself money from Gabby's account, but also on his

805
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: road trip home driving her van. He also used her

806
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: debit card to get gas, So there's a little bit

807
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: of a trail that's starting to come forward as far

808
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: as Zell is using her phone, he's using her debit card.

809
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: And I assume so you think that he most likely

810
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: ended his life when he did, because these things are starting.

811
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: I'm guessing if I don't remember, but I think, yeah,

812
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: things started a surface and the next thing you know,

813
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: he disappears and he dies, probably because he realized, how

814
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: am I going to explain that I used your credit card?

815
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: How am I going to explain this? How am I

816
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: going to explain that? And I used your phone? Trying

817
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: to cover up her death?

818
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: Right But September one, twenty twenty one, Brian arrives back

819
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: at the home of his parents, Chris and Roberta. And

820
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: this is in Florida. So he shows up September first,

821
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: in Florida. He shows up alone, though he was in

822
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: his and Gabby's van. While he's in Florida, Brian and

823
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: his parents move between the family home and a local

824
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: area for a camping trip.

825
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: Now when he shows up, that's odd. I remember that. Now,

826
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 2: that is odd. They went camping with him?

827
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

828
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: Well, what's odd is if you're almost like, it's not

829
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: their first rodeo, Oh, let's go camping.

830
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Well, what's odd is your son is on a road

831
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: trip with his girlfriend and then he shows up back

832
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 1: in Florida driving her van that's registered in her name,

833
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: and she's nowhere to be found, and then you're just

834
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: going to go camping and continue to live life like

835
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 1: nothing happened and nobody would know how.

836
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: Before we have our initial consultation with my new criminal attorney,

837
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 2: let's go camping. They went out where there was no where,

838
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: They're off the grid, away from everyone, and then they

839
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 2: could talk in private.

840
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: That's yeah, I didn't think about that, but probably so

841
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: on September fifth. Now, remember he arrives back in Florida

842
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: on September first, alone September fifth, His sister, Cassie says

843
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: this date is the last time she saw her brother

844
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: or was able to contact him. She also claims her

845
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: parents stopped responding to her as the investigation is playing out,

846
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: so he's disappeared, the sister doesn't know where he is,

847
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: and the parents are also not responding to the sister.

848
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: Now September eleventh of twenty twenty one, Gabby's mother, Nicole

849
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: reports Gabby missing to police. The police toe Brian and

850
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: Gabby shared van away from the laundry family Strive Way,

851
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: and when confronted by police Roberta and Chris these are

852
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: his parents deny having any knowledge of Gabby's whereabouts. Now

853
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: this was so did you see this?

854
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 2: This was so.

855
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: Frustrating for me. Gabby's mom calls and makes a missing

856
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: person report about Gabby, saying they haven't heard from her

857
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 1: since it would have been the twenty seventh, right, because

858
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: that was the last day anybody heard from her or

859
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: saw her on video. Here we are September eleventh, so

860
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: you're talking two weeks. At this point, the police show

861
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: up at Brian's house at his parents' house. Gabby is

862
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: not there. The van is there, Yeah, the van is

863
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: registered and heard name. The sister said that Brian said

864
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: that he flew back from their trip, which is a

865
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: blatant lie because there's the van.

866
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: He clearly drew it back, unless he's yeah, unless he's

867
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: arguing that she drove it back. He flew back. But

868
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: then be like, oh, yeah, we'll show us your flight.

869
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: But then when the police go to the door and

870
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: request to speak to Brian. The dad comes out, refuses

871
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: to speak, refuses to answer quoes, rssians, and hands them

872
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: the business card of their lawyer.

873
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: If my kid murdered his girlfriend, I'd be driving them

874
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: down to the police station.

875
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know I am.

876
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean I would take reasonable precautions. Okay, you

877
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: know you have your rights high lowre. But it'd be like, sorry, dude,

878
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 2: we're not going camping. We're going to go to the police.

879
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: You're not going to help bury the body. You're not

880
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: going to hinder the investigation. And you're not going to

881
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: allow this mother who has no idea where her daughter

882
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: is continue to guess and not know where her daughter is.

883
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: No, apparently you would, well you'd be like, oh, lukie,

884
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: come to bed with mama.

885
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I have boys, and that.

886
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean i'd be okay with it, but that's what

887
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: you got to do.

888
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not.

889
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: I mean it would be tough. I had I would

890
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: be I would feel awful, but it would be like, sorry.

891
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: Dude, all right, this is the question now. So then

892
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: by September seventeen, twenty twenty one, Brian's family reports him missing.

893
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: They haven't seen him in three days and suspect that

894
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: he's in the Carlton Reserve in Sara Sarasota County in Florida.

895
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: They claim they did not alert police about it sooner,

896
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: as they thought Brian was going on a camping trip

897
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: to get away from all of the chaos. Lots of

898
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: questions here. First of all, the night that the police

899
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: come in, they're asking about Gabby. Did you think that

900
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: they had probable cause to arrest Brian at that time?

901
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: Here's my thoughts. She's reported missing, the mother hasn't heard

902
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: from her, The van is parked in the driveway, it's

903
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: registered in her name. The dad won't talk, Brian won't

904
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: come to the door. They hand him a card, a

905
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: business card of an attorney and say contact my attorney.

906
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: Is that enough to arrest him? And should they have

907
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: arrested him at that time?

908
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: They should have because the car is in her name,

909
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 2: so that it's like my daughter's missing for two weeks.

910
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: She was with that guy. He doesn't know where she

911
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: is or he's not talking, and he has her car.

912
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: But I've also read and thought about that they don't

913
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: want to arrest too early in an investigation.

914
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm thinking, I'm thinking the Potito parents did not,

915
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: did not. We're not aggressive enough in saying our daughter

916
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: is missing, something's wrong, just as they weren't very protective

917
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: of her when she wanted to just go across the

918
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: country with some new guys.

919
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: So you're saying you're not You're not saying they're bad.

920
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: Parents are not blaming their parents, but you're saying they

921
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: could have been more.

922
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: I would have been like, she's been gone for two

923
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: weeks if I knew, if assuming they knew all these facts,

924
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: she's been gone for two weeks. I have not heard

925
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 2: from her. She called me crying once when the police

926
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: pulled her over. There's been some scuffling between the two

927
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: of them, and she's he came back without her and

928
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: he has her car, and I am fearful. I needed,

929
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: I needed. We need to look into this.

930
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: What would you have done differently? Because she called the

931
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: police and she she reported her missing in Florida, to

932
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: where his parents live. So I'm saying, if you don't

933
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: know where they are on their road trip, because you

934
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: haven't heard from her for two weeks, where are you

935
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: physically going to go?

936
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know but you would have had.

937
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: Life three sixty on her. I would have done Yeah, yeah,

938
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: we have life three sixty on Annabel. I would unless

939
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: she but he took her phone. How do you can't like?

940
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I would not have been sleeping

941
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: normal and going back to work the next day and

942
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: all this. I would have been trying to figure it out.

943
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: Well, here is my problem with the way the police

944
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: handled it. When Brian ends up back on Florida, we

945
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: don't know where the body is, we don't know where

946
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: Gabby is. Brian was the key to finding Gabby Petito,

947
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: and they did not have a trail on him. They

948
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: were not watching him. He disappeared from the police and

949
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: the police had no idea where he was. We are

950
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: lucky that someone else ended up finding the body, But

951
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: what if someone didn't find the body outside of Brian.

952
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: The police lost him. They don't know where he is.

953
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I think I'm

954
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: saying that Brian is the key to finding out what

955
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: happened to Gabby, where her body is, how she was right.

956
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: He knows everything. He's the only one that.

957
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: Knows, the only one that knows, and the police lost him.

958
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: They didn't know where he was, and it took his

959
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: parents to go to this camping site, which, by the way,

960
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: is also suspicious that police were apparently looking for him

961
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: for days and days and days in this campsite and

962
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: then his parents show up and they literally like walk

963
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: to where he is. They're like, oh, there he is

964
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: with his backpack and you know, his camping things. They

965
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: found him like that, Yeah, I.

966
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: Don't know that family's dirty.

967
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: Let's back up a little bit. Let's go through this timeline.

968
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: September seventeenth is when Brian's family reports him missing. They

969
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: haven't seen him in three days. They suspect that he's camping.

970
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: September nineteenth is when Gabby's body is found near Grand

971
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: Titan National Park in Wyoming. After speaking with her family

972
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: and having her identified, the news was made public, So

973
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: her body is found on September nineteenth. Now, remember he

974
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: went missing on September seventeenth. This was my point from earlier.

975
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: If someone did not come across her body in that park,

976
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: this guy eluded police, disappeared into a campsite, and nobody

977
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: can find him. He is the only one who knows

978
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 1: where she is buried, knows how she died knows anything.

979
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that police lost him.

980
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they lost their their hot lead. They did, and

981
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: that a person of interest exactly. So September twenty first,

982
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: the coroner rules her cause of death as homicide. So

983
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: now it's turned into a murder investigation. They should have

984
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: put like a tracker on his car. That's what they did,

985
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: like Scott Peterson that, oh you're very suspicious, Scott Peterson, right,

986
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: and they put a tracker on his car.

987
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. If they didn't want to take him

988
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: into custody because they didn't feel like they had enough

989
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: evidence for a murder investigation, I get that. I understand

990
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: that you want to make sure when you arrest him

991
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: that you have all your docks in a row because

992
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: you don't want him to get out. However, they don't

993
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: know where he is. They're not tracking him, they don't

994
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: have someone following him. They're not watching the house. This

995
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: guy shows up in Florida without his girlfriend and he disappears.

996
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: Her body was in a national park. It could have

997
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: eluded people. Police campers her family forever. On October twentieth,

998
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: after over a month of searching, Brian's belongings and his

999
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: body are found by his parents and the authorities. And

1000
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: the authorities should actually just be in parentheses because the

1001
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: authorities have been looking for him for over a month.

1002
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: They can't find him. But then his parents just like

1003
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: walk up and find him within an hour. Then on

1004
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: November twenty third, at twenty twenty one, following an autopsy,

1005
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: police confirmed that Brian died by suicide with a gunshot

1006
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: who in his head. Now here's some other important details

1007
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: about this story. Police, this is very interesting. You'll like this.

1008
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 1: Police found a letter that Brian's mom, Roberta, had written

1009
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: to him. There is no way to know when the

1010
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: letter was actually written. It was not dated. But the

1011
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: envelope reads Brian Christopher Laundry and then it says burn after.

1012
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: Reading and this is found on him.

1013
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: I believe so. The letter reads, I just want you

1014
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: to remember I will always love you, and I know

1015
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: you will always love me.

1016
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: You are my boy.

1017
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: Nothing can make me stop loving you. Nothing will or

1018
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: could ever divide us. No matter what we do, or

1019
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: where we go, or what we say, we will always

1020
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: love each other. If you're in jail, I will bake

1021
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: a cake with a file in it. If you need

1022
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: to dispose of a body, I will show up with

1023
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: the shovel and garbage bags. If you fly to the moon,

1024
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: I will be watching the skies for your re entry.

1025
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: If you say you hate my guts, I will get

1026
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: new guts. Roberta, that's the mom, has said the letter

1027
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: was written before her son's trip Withtito, and one of

1028
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: her attorneys released a statement saying it was quote in

1029
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: no way related to Gabby end quote, although Potito's family

1030
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: has challenged those assertions. Now the Potitos end up suing

1031
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: Bryan Laundry's family, It did not go to trial, which

1032
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: I think is a good thing. They ended up settling,

1033
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's because both sides did not want

1034
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: to litigate the details of what happened to Gabby, and

1035
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: so it ended up settling out of court for I

1036
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: don't know if it was an undisclosed I think it

1037
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: was three million. Yeah, So what are your thoughts on that?

1038
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 2: It's a shady family.

1039
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: That is a shady family.

1040
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: Would not I would not recommend dating anyone in that family.

1041
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: I have a question his parents found his body.

1042
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: His parents found his body.

1043
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they knew where he was. They were in communication

1044
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: with them. Did they search his phones after they found

1045
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: his body or anything like that that we know of?

1046
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: You know what I always thought, because I did think

1047
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: of that myself. I thought maybe they found that the

1048
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: police found Brian's phone when they found him dead, because

1049
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: they did find a notebook with Brian that happened that

1050
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: had like his handwritten journal entries in it. So I

1051
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: just want to read a few passages from his notebook

1052
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: that was found with his belongings after he committed suicide.

1053
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to everyone this will affect. Gabby was the

1054
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: love of my life and I know adored by many.

1055
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm so very sorry to her family because I love them.

1056
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: I consider her younger siblings my best of friends. I

1057
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: am sorry to my family. This is a shock to

1058
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: them as well as a terrible grief. Please do not

1059
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: make this harder for them. This occurred as an unexpected tragedy.

1060
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: Rushing back to our car, trying to cross the streams

1061
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: before it got too dark to see, too cold, I

1062
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: hear a splash and a scream. I could barely see.

1063
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't find her for a moment. Shouted her name.

1064
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: I found her, breathing heavily. I carried her as far

1065
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: as I could from the stream toward the car, stumbling,

1066
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: exhausted in shock, knew I couldn't safely carry her. I

1067
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: started a fire and spooned her as close to the heat.

1068
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: She was so thin, had already been freezing too long.

1069
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: While carrying her, she continually made sounds of pain. Laying

1070
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: next to her, she said little, gasping between violent shakes,

1071
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: gasping in pain, begging for an end to her pain.

1072
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: She would fall asleep, and I would shake her awake,

1073
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: fearing she shouldn't close her eyes if she had a concussion.

1074
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't know the extent of Gabby's injuries, only that

1075
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: she was in extreme pain. I ended her life. I

1076
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: thought it was merciful, that is what she wanted. But

1077
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: I see now all the mistakes I made. I panicked,

1078
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: I was in shock. I knew I couldn't go on

1079
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: without her. I rushed home to spend any time I

1080
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: had left with my family. I wanted to drive north

1081
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: and let James or TJ kill me. I assumed James

1082
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: or TJ is dad and stepdad, but I wouldn't want

1083
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: them to spend time in jail over my mistake, even

1084
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: though I'm sure they would have liked to. I'm ending

1085
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: my life not because of a fear of punishment, but

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00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: rather because I can't stand to live another day without her.

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00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: I've lost our whole future together, every moment we could

1088
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: have shared. I'm sorry for everyone's loss. Please do not

1089
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: make life harder for my family. They lost a son

1090
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: and a daughter, the most wonderful girl in the world, Gabby.

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00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So that was found in his notebook next

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00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: to his body when he committed suicide, the part that

1093
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: bothers me about him committing suicide again. I'm going back

1094
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: to the police, and I believe they have probable cause

1095
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: that night to either arrest him, detain him, question him,

1096
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: track him, follow him. Is I want to see this

1097
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: guy brought to justice. Suicide is too easy of a

1098
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: way out for him. I want him to go to court.

1099
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: I want there to be even though I feel badly

1100
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: that the parents would have to go through a trial.

1101
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: But don't you want to know what happened? Don't you

1102
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: want to go through his phone? Don't you want to

1103
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: question him and depose him and put him on the stand.

1104
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to rot in hell.

1105
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: Well, so what happens after this Gabby.

1106
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: Petti no pain before, like after all your surgeries and stuff,

1107
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 2: and you're miserable, and I never once thought, oh, I'll

1108
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: strangle you and put you out of your misery. No,

1109
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: thank you for that.

1110
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I mean I did have a hip replacement,

1111
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: and I will tell you the pain that I was

1112
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: in before my hip replacement was the most severe pain

1113
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: I have ever been in. And I'm thankful to you

1114
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: for not ending.

1115
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: No, I will not strangle you as a result.

1116
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: I as I moaned and gasped and pain at night,

1117
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: because I did do that for a long time.

1118
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, are you buying anything he wrote there?

1119
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: This, I mean you know, he strangled her. She gasped

1121
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: for air, she begged it to stop at all those

1122
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: things he said. But it's because he was killing her.

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00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: I think it had to do with jealousy. I think

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00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: he probably saw her phone, saw that she had texted

1125
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: the ex boyfriend, saw that she called the ex boyfriend.

1126
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: I think he went into a jealous rage because he

1127
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: knew that she was probably trying to get away from him.

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00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, is he out? Yeah, because she might have

1129
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: been saying I'm going to break up with you. And

1130
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 2: things like that, and then he sees the phone. It's

1131
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: the ex boyfriend.

1132
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Gabby Patito's family appealed to Utah judge's decision

1133
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: dismissing their wrongful death lawsuit against the MOA Police Department.

1134
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: We talked about this earlier. The family is seeking to

1135
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: change a state law that limits wrongful death claims against

1136
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: the government agencies. The family hopes to change the law

1137
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: to prevent future victims of domestic violence from going without justice.

1138
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: So where it's at now is they are appealing to

1139
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: the Utah Supreme Court. So we'll see if the Utah

1140
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: Supreme Court picks up the case. It's a constitutional.

1141
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: Issue with really all that can happen the best the

1142
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 2: outcome is the police department learns something, they do an

1143
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: internal review, and they do something to make it better

1144
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: for nixt time. That's that's all you can do, right

1145
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: And then.

1146
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, the Petito and Schmidt family Potito

1147
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: is his family, Schmidt is the mom, settled a wrongful

1148
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 1: death lawsuit against Brian's parents for three million. And then

1149
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, the Potito family settled another case,

1150
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: a ledging that the laundries had inflicted emotional distress, and

1151
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: I think that's the undisclosed amount. I don't know how

1152
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: much that was, but they settled that. So that's where

1153
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: we're at. Also, just if there's any good that came

1154
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: from the Potito case, there is the Gabby Potito Bill,

1155
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: which was passed in Florida in twenty twenty four. It's

1156
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: a new bill passed by the House and Senate and

1157
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: it was advocated for by Joseph Patito, Gabby Patito's father,

1158
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: and it creates a set of twelve mandatory questions law

1159
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: enforcement we'll have to ask a potential victim when responding

1160
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: to a domestic violence call. It's referred to as the

1161
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: Gabby Patito Act. And I'll just go through something. We

1162
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: don't have to go through all twelve, but it's too

1163
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: I think it's to streamline the process better, especially when

1164
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: you think back to the Moab situation where they pulled

1165
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: her over and they put her in another car and

1166
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: they were just kind of asking her who's the aggressor

1167
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: or was it you did you hit him? It wasn't.

1168
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: There wasn't a structured system of trying to find find

1169
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: out what happened. So the mandatory set of twelve questions include,

1170
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: let's just go through some of them. Did the aggressor

1171
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: ever use a weapon against you or threaten you? Did

1172
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: the aggressor ever threaten to kill you or your children? Yeah?

1173
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: But then what happens when the scared person in this

1174
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: relationship is saying no, no, they didn't, No, no they didn't,

1175
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 2: everything's fine.

1176
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, you know, I don't know. I

1177
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: don't know.

1178
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: The kind of asked her questions and she just made

1179
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: it like he was the love of her life and

1180
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: they're a team and I'm sorry I acted out and

1181
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: I hit him and that's why he was driving like that.

1182
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: Well, you know, maybe the fact that it's twelve questions,

1183
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: which is a lot of questions, maybe that the point

1184
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: is to build a rapport. Yeah, and if you're asking

1185
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: twelve mandatory questions, that it's a long enough conversation that

1186
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: maybe that person calms down.

1187
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: And maybe the police are forced to kind of, you know,

1188
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: basically these twelve questions to dig deeper.

1189
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: And kind of not just valuate maybe the body language

1190
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: the answers and make a determination. I think now is

1191
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: it going to make a huge difference? I don't have

1192
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: any idea, But at least the point is is that

1193
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: based upon what happened to Gabby, people legislatures are saying, hey,

1194
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: there needs to be a better system in place so

1195
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: that we can protect people better. So at least that's

1196
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: a positive start. So anyway, all right, thank you guys

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00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: so much for listening. We appreciate it. And again, let

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00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: us know if there's any cases out there that you

1199
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: would love for us to cover, to talk about, and

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00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: we always appreciate feedback, so thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,