1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to the Coast to Coast. 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: George Nori back with you along with doctor David Livingston 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: as we're talking about space. Will take calls with David 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: next hour here on Coast to Coast David, China's coming 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: along like crazy. I mean, they've landed on the Moon. 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: They're bringing back lunar samples. Are they doing this with 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: our technology? Probably some of ours, but some of the 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: old Soviet Union technology as well. But you know, they 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: attend our universities, they learn from the same professors we 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: learn from. You know, they have their other space bearing 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: countries as well, ESA, for example, and there's plenty of 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: places for them to pick it up. Plus they're very bright. 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: I would not underestimate their competence and their creativity and 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: their ability to do science and engineering. But they're really 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: good at copying and learning from others. And they're in 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: our universities. They take our same aerospace engineering courses and 18 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: mechanical engineering courses. And as we all know or probably 19 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: should know, they don't become foreign students in the United 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: States without being a representative of the PRC and the CCP. 21 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: So this is a big national security issue too. I mean, 22 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: that's another subject. But there's some real challenges ahead with 23 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: China and students and what they want to do in 24 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: space and their goals in space, and I honestly hope 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: we're up to it because the Moon is a sort 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: of starting point for it all. And I mean, we 27 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: do so much more, George. We're creative, we're innovative. I mean, 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: I've got listeners to the show who are creating technically 29 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: correct three D lunar civilizations where you can build a 30 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: house on the Moon as if you were really on 31 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: the moon, control a rover. This is called moonward stock. 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: You're not seeing that kind of stuff come out of China. 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: We have such an innovative scientific and engineering culture. Although 34 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: Kim who has moonwards as Canadian and down in Mexico 35 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: the West, is just amazing. We need to be on 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: our toes, George, I just don't know how to say 37 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: it any more strongly. And that's one of the really 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: important reasons why we have got to continue our lunar 39 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: program and get back to the Moon and use the 40 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: Moon to learn and be able to go forward to 41 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: Mars and other places and develop and learn and even 42 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: become better stewards of Earth in the process. David, you 43 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: follow UFOs, what's your take on the latest Over the 44 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: last few years, we've been hearing about the navy craft 45 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: chasing UFOs, Pentagon releasing more videos. What do you think 46 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: about all that? It's the only UFO story we cover 47 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: on the Space Show because normally I don't do that 48 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: on the show. But as far as tic Tac and 49 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: this whole story goes, if it's real and so I've 50 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: got a question about that. But if it's real and 51 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: the characteristics of its performance are as the Navy pilots 52 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: are talking about and others are saying, I seriously doubt 53 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: it's from Earth because everybody that I have talked to, 54 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: I've never talked to one person who says we can 55 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: come close to anything with those performance characteristics. And now 56 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: we're starting to hear about vehicles that are traveling two 57 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour under the ocean and being tracked 58 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: by navy vessels. Who the hell travels two hundred miles 59 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: an hour under the ocean exactly? Not us? So yeah, 60 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm not us, it's right. But on the other hand, 61 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: I know that there is so much advanced research going 62 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: on that we have no clue about. I can't help, 63 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: but wonder could we be testing advanced technology against our 64 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: own military forces to see if they can detect it, 65 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: what they can do with it. I've looked at demonstrations 66 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: of Microsoft Holographic, a Zoo programs for commerce on the 67 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: website of Microsoft, and I've seen their demonstrations where you 68 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: can make a presentation in your office in San Francisco 69 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: and have it show up on a stage in Tokyo. 70 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: You're speaking perfect Japanese to a live Japanese audience and 71 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: they don't know that you're not there. That's amazing. And 72 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: it's there a Zoo program. Now, you know, radar doesn't 73 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: pick up a holograph, So but does that mean Darba 74 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: or some technology hadn't found a way to spoof it. 75 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: So I'm not ready to say it's from out there someplace, 76 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: because I just don't know if there could be some 77 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: really super secret technology and we're testing it against our 78 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: own F eight teams in the Navy without even letting 79 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: them know it. It's not real. Yeah, And it's the 80 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: highest quality of military hardware we've got on the radar 81 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: comships and they put in the new radar in the 82 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: F eighteen. Where would you want to test this that 83 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: there's no other country that has the capability of testing 84 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: it as well as our own forces. But again, you know, 85 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: I don't have any security classifications anymore, so I don't know. 86 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: But if they're real, and if they're not some DARPA 87 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: super secret kind of thing, they're not coming from here. 88 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: Well that if there's some super secret thing they're not 89 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: going to tell us, are they probably not. I for 90 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: some reason, we're not allowed to know the truth about UFOs, 91 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: about aliens, about et I think there's a lot there. 92 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: I you know, you've just got this former Israeli Minister 93 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: of Space. Yeah, he's saying that there's been a deal 94 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: between Israel and the United States with et S. Yeah, 95 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: and that we're sharing a Mars underground Bates. That's kind 96 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: of a stretch for me, as is the name of 97 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: the group, the Galactic Federation. That kind of is a 98 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: little tacky to me. But then you had the Canadian 99 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: Defense Minister several years ago saying similar things, Paul Hellier. Yeah, 100 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: so I think there's a lot there. It would not 101 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: surprise me that it's real, and I don't understand why 102 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: we have to be lied to and kept in the dark. Well, 103 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: then there's just no way in this vastness of space 104 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: David were alone. I just can't comprehend that. I would agree, 105 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: but I don't think we found it with our technologies 106 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: and including Setti, and I don't think our propulsion, our 107 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: rockets and things of that nature are capable of doing 108 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: anything that could take us to where we might might 109 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: be able to do something maybe through exo planets. Maybe 110 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: if some of the programs for getting closer to the 111 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: speed of light workout, got Project Breakthrough or something like 112 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: that down the road, and we can pick up some 113 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: speed and some more capabilities, maybe will develop more capabilities 114 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: to detect that. But I think there's something to it all. 115 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: Why would the Israeli guy make such statements of everyone's 116 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: got to think he's a whack of doodle, right, So 117 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: why would you do that if it's if it's not 118 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: real or exactly and of course the propulsion is coming 119 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: from them, and if they have a thousand years advance 120 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: on us, or a million years advance or even more, 121 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: who knows what they developed. Hum I just did a 122 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: program on the Ezekiel from the Bible, the Spinning Wheel. 123 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: So we featured a book by a former NASA engineer 124 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: named blum Rich who's dead. I don't know if you're 125 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: familiar with this, is called the Spaceships of Ezekiel. And 126 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: he's an aerospace engineer. Came out of Austria and was 127 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: in the German Army. Came over on paper Clip with 128 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: Von Brown. He worked at Marshall. He worked on the 129 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: Saturn five, the space station Advanced Projects designed. He was 130 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: head of that group. I mean, he's got the bona fides. 131 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: He was a real McCoy and he looked at what 132 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: Ezekiel was talking about and he saw spacecraft of the 133 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: technology for the most part we used for Apollo. And 134 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: he wrote a book called Spaceships of Apollo. You can 135 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: find it on the internet, even though he's been dead, 136 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: I think for nearly thirty years, and he shows in 137 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: terms of Apollo technology, which was his era, what an 138 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: Ezekiel craft looked like, and what all of that meant, 139 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: and how the fires and all of this were engines 140 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: on retro landing. They were doing retro landing helicopter blades 141 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: to stabilize it. At lower altitudes just looks like a 142 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: droney off of Amazon or a military drone where the 143 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: rotors are on the four corners. I mean, it was 144 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: really intriguing. Of course, we'll never know, because there's no 145 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: remnants of ezekiel spacecraft that's ever been found. But this 146 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: was an aerospace engineer who was for real, who saw 147 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: his technology that he was developing in the Bible, and 148 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: what Ezekiel was talking about that is dramatic. Who knows, 149 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: but I think there's something there. I'd love to have 150 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: it confirmed while I'm still on this Earth and still 151 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: with my wits about me. But man, that's another frustration 152 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: I can add to my twenty years of doing the 153 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: Space Show. Why in the heck do they have to 154 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: keep disinformation and lying to us and not letting us 155 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: know the truth. What are they hiding? What is so 156 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: shocking about that? And that's where the Israeli guys saying 157 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: humanity's not ready and they blocked Trump from disclosing it. 158 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it would be such a big shock 159 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: the humanity at all. I think humanity's ready for it, 160 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: and I think most people would say we knew it absolutely, 161 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: And I hope it's true, but again I don't I 162 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: just hope they're telling the truth when when we see 163 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: the tik tak information. But I'm still skeptical. Getting back 164 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: to Elon Musk and the Jeff Bezos, They've spent a 165 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: lot of their own money, but I'm sure they're doing 166 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: this because they want to make a lot of money, 167 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: don't they Have they made any money really yet? I 168 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: don't know about Bezos with Blue Origin, he's really tight 169 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: chested about all of what he's doing. But yeah, Musk 170 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: is SpaceX is making money, and they've got a good 171 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: commercial manifest for their launches, and he's just doing another 172 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: round of a one point four billion dollars in private 173 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: financing I think, and the company's is worth it's just huge. 174 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, he's he's doing all right then, making money 175 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: and SpaceX as wealth is growing, and he's in it 176 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: for money, But he also really does believe that we 177 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: need to be a multiplanet species for the survival of 178 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: the human race. He is absolutely legitimate to that commitment, 179 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: and so Mars is where that action is probably the 180 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: only place in the Inner Solar System, maybe the clouds 181 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: of Venus, but he's focused on Mars and he's committed 182 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: to making us a multiplanet species by going on to Mars, 183 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: and he thinks that that's crucial for human survival. Listen 184 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at one 185 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: am Eastern, and go to Coast to Coast am dot 186 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: com for more