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Ralph Nader with 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: us how the Rats re formed the Congress of Fable Ralph. 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: Knowing you over these years, I know that there's a 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: method behind everything you do. What's the message you want 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: people to get about how the Rats reformed the Congress? 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: The message is, basically, it's easier. We think it never 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: takes more than one percent of the people in congressional 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: districts organizing spending as much time as they do on 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: a regular hobby like collecting stamps or coins or whatever, 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: and reflecting majority opinion. So the answer is it's easier, 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: and we think, how do you do it? So rather 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: than write, you know, a five hundred page tome that 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: people can fall asleepover, I wrote this fable to get 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: people in. So the mighty rat invasions spark a national 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: news frenzy which people begin to pay attention to, and 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: the derision from tens of millions of people about how 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: the members of Congress can't stamp out this rat invasion. 27 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: They're trying to cover it up, and the derision gets 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: people's attention and they start paying attention to Congress. So 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: activists sees on this burgeoning story, organize for a popular agenda, 30 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: and spontaneous rallies break out everywhere. The activists see the 31 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: rats upending business as usual routines on Capitol Hill as 32 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: a symbol against the lobbyists and their corporate dominated Congress. 33 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: And then it really gets into strategy technique and the 34 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: battles with the Wall Street moguls and the big trade 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: lobby trade association lobbies in Washington, and how they think 36 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: they're going to wear down the people, they're going to 37 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: overcome the people. But millions come to Washington. They take 38 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: relays all around Congress bellowing out their demands with loud speakers, 39 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: and so it's a very exciting thing. What's important about this, George, 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: is that it deals with real life problems, because I 41 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: always believe if you talk about problems where people live, work, 42 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: and raise their families, a lot of this ideology conservative 43 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: liberal dissipates. So you ask people, regardless of whether they 44 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: label themselves conservatives, liberals, progressives, libertarians, you want good schools, 45 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: you want good roads, you want clean air, you want 46 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: safe healthcare, affordable healthcare. You want fair enforcement of laws 47 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: to the rich and powerful and the mighty, cramping down 48 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: on corporate crime. You want criminal justice reform, and more 49 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: and more in state legislatures, conservative liberal legislators are pushing 50 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: out criminal justice reform. And a lean defense is the 51 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: best defense. A huge, wasteful, bloated military budget, it isn't 52 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: even auditable, is full of corruption with what Eisenhower, President 53 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: Eishar warned us about the military industrial complex. So on 54 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: the back of this book, and you can get this 55 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: book by going to Rats Reform Congress dot org. Just 56 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: Rats Reform Congress dot org. And by the way, you'll 57 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: like this, George. We have five of these paperbacks for 58 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: fifty bucks total, and they can send three of them 59 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: to the two senators representatives. And it's very powerful when 60 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: a citizen back home sends a book like this and 61 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: asks the center and representatives to write them a letter 62 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: back home about their reaction. Now here's what happens. The 63 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: staff in Congress gets this book. We've already distributed some 64 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: of it around the Capitol Hill. They get this book, 65 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: and basically you back home are telling them, I know 66 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: how you guys operate. I know who runs you, I 67 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: know who tempts you. I know how you turn your 68 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: back onto people. I know what you don't do that's wrong. 69 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: I know what you do do is wrong, like on 70 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: Wall Street and corporate bailouts, chrony capitalism, government waste. When 71 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: they know that you know, you immediately have power over them. 72 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: They immediately know they cannot fool you, flummox you, and 73 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: flatter you. They can't brush you off with a nice 74 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: form letter. And so just by sending them this book, 75 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: you can establish a connection with them, and by doing 76 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: it with some of your neighbors, then they pay even 77 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: more attention to you. And then you get into a 78 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: real key in this book. The website, by the way, 79 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: Rats Reform Congress dot org. It's not only where you 80 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: can get this book and I've got all autographed, it's 81 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: ready to ship, but it also as a free website 82 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: that gives you one detail after another about how to 83 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: organize Congress watchers groups, how to send a citizens summons 84 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: to the two senators and representatives, signed by your neighbors, 85 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: your co workers, your friends, and summoning them to your 86 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: own town meetings with your own agenda about how to 87 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: make this country great again, and how to redirect and 88 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: redirect your taxes back home to rebuild your public services 89 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: what they call the infrastructure. So it's rot to Reform 90 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: Congress dot org. And you can get five copies for 91 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: fifty dollars. A paperback single is twenty, a hard back 92 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: is third. Either all autographed. And I can't wait to 93 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: go up on Capitol Hill and walk into one center's 94 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: office after another and watch the staff say, Hey, what's 95 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: going on here. We're getting these books. We're getting them 96 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: from Toledo, We're getting them from Albuquerque, We're getting in 97 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: from Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, at Los Angeles, Saint Louis. What's 98 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: going on? And you know what I'm gonna tell them 99 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: what's going on, is you better shape up or you're 100 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: gonna be shipped out. People are waking up people. And 101 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: when you talk about Congress, you're also talking about the Senate. 102 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: They're not exempt from this, are they They're not at all. 103 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: And you know what people don't know about the Congress. 104 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the Congress comes in in the Poles 105 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: lower than any time since Poles. They come in under 106 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: twenty percent approval. That's both conservatives and liberals being pulled 107 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: under twenty percent. Some polls went twelve percent. Never mind 108 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: used card dealers than the poor use card dealers. They 109 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: usually come in pretty low. They're coming in low. This 110 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: is a dangerous time for our republic when we don't 111 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: trust five hundred and thirty five men and women who 112 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: are using our sovereign power and abusing it. And I 113 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: say in the back of the book again and again 114 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: congressional majorities, because there's some good people in Congress, so 115 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: I always use the word. Congressional majorities have paved the 116 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: way for draining away America's critical necessities and giving huge 117 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: money to the corporate freeloaders, corporate welfare bailouts, handouts, giveaways, 118 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: subsidies going on every every day, and the bigger the corporation, 119 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: the more they don't have to ever go bankrupt. When 120 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: they fail the market test, they go to Washington for 121 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: a bail as Wall Street was bailed out. So, but 122 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: here's what people don't don't know about Congress. It's itself 123 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: is the concentrated tyranny of self privileged secrecy, exclusionary rules 124 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: and practices, avoiding key public hearings like on the tax bill, 125 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: on the healthcare bill, on the Access to Justice under 126 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: Tort Law bill. They didn't even have public hearings the 127 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: Republican This is unheard of. They just in fact, there 128 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: were times when they wouldn't even let the Democrats see 129 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: the wording in the draft legislation that they sent to 130 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: the Senate and House floor for a vote. That's how 131 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: bad it was. And they don't they don't oversee the 132 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: executive branch. They don't want to see how our taxes 133 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: are miss spent and wasted. And they're always shutting out citizens. 134 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: Are you called Senate office now or a representative office? 135 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: They often have what's your name and they get your name? 136 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: Your back calm, you're a constituent, and they see whether 137 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: you've given a donation, and depending on whether you've given 138 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: a donation or not given a donation, or the size 139 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: of donation depends on whether you're going to get through 140 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: to your senator, representative or just a staffer or maybe 141 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: a college in turn. And the secrecy is staggering as well. 142 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: The Freedom Information Act, which we got through in nineteen 143 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: seventy four, the best one in the world, giving people 144 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: right to get government files, meet and poultry inspection, nursing 145 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: home inspection reports, food and drug and they still hold 146 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: back things wealth don't. They exempted Congress from that. They 147 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: exempted Congress so you can't get like when they settled 148 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: for these sexual assaults using taxpayer money to settle with 149 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: a woman who accused a member of sexual assault or worse, 150 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: that was secret. That was when they are playing the 151 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: stock market using inside information. You couldn't get the information 152 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: because they exempted the Congress from the Free Information Act. 153 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: So this is designed to give you power of people. 154 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: I want to give you power. I don't want to 155 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: ever hear you say whatever it will be, will be, 156 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: will be denied healthcare when we've paid our premiums, we 157 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: can't do anything about it. We can't get good public 158 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: transit to get the work on time if we're cleaning 159 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: houses in the suburbs and people in the inner city. 160 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: We're paying gouging prices for drugs that are often subsidized 161 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: by taxpayer research as the nationalists who savout and given 162 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: to these drug companies, and then they they price it 163 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: the highest price in all the world. They charge Americans 164 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: the highest price, and that's where the drugs are developed 165 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: with your taxpayer dollar, and on and on, and why 166 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: do people take this Because they don't think they have 167 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: the power. And this book, this book, The Rats Reformed 168 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: the Congress, is designed to give them that power. And 169 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: you're very astute, Rolf, because one of the reasons our 170 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: show was so successful. We cater to people who live 171 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: at night, they work at night, they're everywhere. And you've 172 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: noticed this, and you've pointed something out that not a 173 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: lot of people have pointed out, and that is most 174 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: candidates when they run for office, seem to forget about 175 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: what we call a third of the nation that lives 176 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: at night. That is unbelievable. In fact, just before this 177 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: last election in November, a few weeks before I sent 178 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: out letters to a lot of people running for the Congress. 179 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: I said, look, do you know the tens of millions 180 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: of people in this country worked the midnight shift. They 181 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: keep the society going by while the rest of us 182 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: are sleeping. And these are the people who are in 183 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: the hospitals and nursing homes, firefighters, police, these are people 184 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: who are the night cab drivers, you name it. Yeah, 185 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: you know all night restaurants, drug stores, tollkeepers, the people 186 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: who repair our infrastructure, on and on and never you 187 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: never connect with them. So why don't you announce you're 188 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: going to be a midnight campaigner several times? And you like, 189 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: you start the campaign in front of a shift, a 190 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: midnight shift for a large hospital, and you go to 191 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: all these different places and you respect them and you 192 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: recognize them and you urge them to vote. I mean, 193 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:39,239 Speaker 1: it's amazing how they ignore midnight the midnight shift workers. 194 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: But now some of them are starting to do it. Converson, 195 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: Jamie Raskin did it in Maryland and a couple others. 196 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: But I couldn't get Beeto O'Rourke to do it, even 197 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: though he went into every county in Texas. I couldn't 198 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: get Senator Bill Nelson to do it. He lost. Had 199 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: they done it, they might have picked up some extra vote, 200 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: without a doubt, without a doubt, because the midnight workers 201 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: do not meet the candidates, and they feel ignored and 202 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: they feel out of it. And suddenly someone recognizes their 203 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: work and their value and meets them and shakes hands 204 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: with them and talks with them, and then the word spreads. 205 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: So you're right. I used to do the Larry Kingshaw 206 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: a lot, you know, from one to three, one to four. 207 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: I love the people who stay up late at night 208 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: and we get their calls. But this book, I wrote 209 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: it for you, the people. I don't care what your 210 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: label is. Most people have a sense of justice, they 211 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: have a sense of fair play, and if they don't 212 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: let the politicians divide and rule them. With these slogans, 213 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: we're going to turn this country around. Listen to more 214 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at one am Eastern, 215 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: and go to Coast to Coast dot com for more