1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: But there's this one time at the height of my 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: career when I had just bought the latest car, did 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: that Escali, the first one in East Africa with twenty 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: four in spinning wheels, that I had passed outside the 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: nightclub when a young man my age walked up to me, 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: pulled me out of the car and slapped the hell 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: out of me, and pulled up the gun and put 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: it on my face and asked me why I was 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: showing off, as if I did not know that the 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: Canja had owners. Well, that was the beginning of my 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: realization that my money, and my sexes and my stardom 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: did not matter if there was no freedom. 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: Freedom. 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 3: Bobby Wye and his wife Barbie are not only a 15 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 3: loving young couple literally in their forties, they have shown 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: an entire country that you can find for what you 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: believe in. They're providing inspirations simply by existing. 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: It's the greatest suspersion. 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 4: Then the tainment can Naci win carry champion, the carri 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 4: Chappi is the be a championa champion and carri Chappi 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 4: and the champion and carry chappion and carried Shepi. 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: The greatest sporsion entertainment can Nacki Whear. So today's guest 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: is Bobby Wine his beautiful wife Barbie Uh. And I 24 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 3: think many of you know of Bobby Wine. He is 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 3: known as a very popular singer, a singer from Uganda 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 3: who has basically taken his music and turned it into 27 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: activism and ultimately he ran for president in Uganda. Now, 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: the story that I'm bringing you today perhaps is it 29 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: necessarily mainstream news, and it reminds me of how we 30 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: have so much going on in the world, but we 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: only know about what the media tells us, which is 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 3: why I say the media is so powerful. Like we 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: know about the Israel Ojamas War, we know about what's 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: going on in Ukraine, but do we know about what's 35 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: going on in Ganda? And the answer to that question 36 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 3: is simply no. In October twenty twenty three, National Geographic 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: released a documentary film entitled Bobby Wine The People's President. 38 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 3: It's streaming on Disney Plus, Hulu and YouTube. You guys 39 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: can find it. But by way of background, it chronicles 40 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 3: five years from twenty fourteen to twenty twenty one. Bobby 41 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 3: Wine it his wife are followed in their pursuit to 42 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: provide some sort of democracy in that country. But the 43 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 3: film gives us an inside and very honest look, very 44 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 3: graphic look at Bobby Wine's personal pursuit to change the 45 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: country that he loves his homeland. It is arguably very 46 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: revealing in terms of dictatorship. But what I find very 47 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 3: interesting is that the world knows nothing about it. There 48 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: are so many atrocities happening in this country, in this 49 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: world rather and we know nothing about it unless the 50 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: media covers it, or you have someone like Bobby Wine 51 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 3: who uses this platform in his voice to give a 52 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: voice for the voice less. He and his wife have 53 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: risked their lives, and that's not a joke. Several assassination 54 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: attempts on his life, he says, as you'll hear in 55 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: this particular episode of Naked, he is here by the 56 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: grace of God, he believes. But I wanted to share 57 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: this story with you, not only because the documentary is 58 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: amazing and it's honest, and it's the education that we need. 59 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: I want you to imagine that there is something happening 60 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: outside of your home, where you live, the country that 61 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: you live in. We complained every single day about what 62 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: I feel is a privilege. I'm sitting here telling you 63 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: this while I'm in my apartment in New York, my 64 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: second home, and I'm complaining because the heat's not hot 65 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: enough for me. Went out And it's a real privilege 66 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 3: to complain to someone knowing that it will be fixed 67 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 3: and repaired and I can go about living my day 68 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: and have my own personal freedoms. It's something that I 69 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: don't even think twice about. But imagine a country where 70 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 3: eighty five percent of the people are under the age 71 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: of thirty and it's being run Their president who currently 72 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 3: runs that country is a dictator. He tries to assassinate 73 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: folks who try to oppose him in elections. He changed 74 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: the law so if he could stay in power, and 75 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: the people of that country are frustrated. They want him out. 76 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: And the one person who came close to defeating the president, 77 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: in fact he did, was Bobby Wine. And they stole 78 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: the election. Not some Donald Trump stole the election. They 79 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 3: literally stole the election from him because he won and 80 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: no one was there to help. So with that being said, 81 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: I want to introduce you to Bobby Wine, the People's 82 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: President Champion. 83 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: And Kary Chappion and Carried chap. 84 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: I would like to begin just before we talk about 85 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: the docuseries that people can watch on Disney Plus and 86 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: Hulu and YouTube. I would like to begin with if 87 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: you both could tell me if you could describe what's 88 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 3: happening in Uganda right now, the political state of your home, 89 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: and what you hope for in terms of a better future. 90 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: Well, I wish I would present my country in better light, 91 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: but the reality is that Uganda is a young country 92 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: that continues to suffer under the yoke of a thirty 93 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: seven year old military dictatorship by general you're in seventy, 94 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: who's been in power for thirty seven years, have been 95 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: taken power violent today in nineteen eighty six, when I 96 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: was for years. But besides that, I also want the 97 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: world to know that Uganda is a beautiful country with 98 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: resilient people, the second youngest country in the world, with 99 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: young people that are determined to reship and redefine their 100 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: destiny and to free up themselves and be able to 101 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: create a country that will make them proud to call 102 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: it home, how. 103 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: To call it rule. 104 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: You have, even your wife, have created a voice for 105 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: those who have no voice. And you are very very determined, 106 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: if not relentless in brain in the process and barbicane. 107 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: You talk to me about how you and your husband 108 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: first met and how you decided to take on this 109 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: adventure sure of being an activist with him. 110 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 5: I wish telling you of how we are doing with 111 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 5: the activism was as easy as telling you the story. 112 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: Of how we met. 113 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, we met on stage. I was an actress. 114 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 5: I studied basic does and drama in secondary school for 115 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 5: six years. So I had just won an alcoholage at 116 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 5: the National Theater as one of the best actors that 117 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 5: year in our secondary school. And one of the vigil 118 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 5: letters was their professor, their teacher at university. So she 119 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 5: had written a play and she invited me to act 120 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 5: in that play. So when I came from my secondary 121 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:52,119 Speaker 5: school to go and do the acting at the National Theater, 122 00:07:52,360 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 5: I met him there house No so I realized that 123 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 5: he was the best at university because during that time 124 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 5: he was at university studying music and drama, majoring in drama. 125 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 5: So he had also come to take part in the play. 126 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 5: This play was called Lady Will was titled Lady Will 127 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 5: You Marry Me? And he was acting as the president 128 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 5: and I was given a role to act as the 129 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 5: first Lady. 130 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 6: He was mister mouse, and was he was mister cart 131 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 6: and I was Lady Mouse. 132 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 3: So it was. 133 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 5: It was the political play where the cat was the president, 134 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 5: and this president chose to marry the mouse and made 135 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 5: high first lady. But you don't want to know how 136 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 5: the story ended. This politician was a liar. He hit 137 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 5: me it would yeah. 138 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: That was not when he was the whole mounted Could 139 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 3: we ring right now? 140 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 2: I want to read the professor ROTHI we already find 141 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: the play in real life. 142 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,599 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you did really define the play and the 143 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 5: highly political play, very highly political, where this cat promised 144 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 5: that the cat family was going to work really hard 145 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 5: towards making equal opportunities for the cats and the mice, 146 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 5: and there was never going to be this hunting of 147 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 5: each other, and that everyone would live in harmony. And 148 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 5: he to write with his presidency. Actually that was twenty 149 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 5: one years ago, Yes, that was twenty interestingly answering to 150 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 5: jump in. But interestingly, the speech that I gave in 151 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 5: that play as a young boy twenty one years ago, 152 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 5: trying to ask for support from the. 153 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: Animal kingdom, the rats and they might to come together. 154 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: The speech that I give in that play is more 155 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: or less the speech that I give when I was 156 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: being nominated for president, promising a new country for the generation. 157 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, life imitating art, art imitating life. 158 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 3: How whatever you would like to say. But I love 159 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: that this story you have me defined what it's supposed 160 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 3: to be in a beautiful way. I think that a 161 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: lot of people would know you. Not a lot of people, 162 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: but people know you for your activism but the end 163 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: that you are a politician. But they also know that 164 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: you are talented in many other ways by be outside 165 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: of acting. Your music has been described in again a conversation, 166 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: I'm just having some say, and I hope this is 167 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: not offensive to you, but some would say you are 168 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: the Bob Marley of your country using. 169 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: The and that is a flat tat I feel flat. 170 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you your friend Charlotte Marie was 171 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 3: explaining on for that. To me, it was like I 172 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: would call him about Marley, and I think that's beautiful. 173 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: I think as apropos and and and it's beautiful to 174 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: see how you were seeing. What did you use your 175 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 3: music to do initially when you first started singing. Was 176 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: it to change lives? Was it to speak for those 177 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: who didn't have a voice, or was it no. 178 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: It was a bad boy. It was rock. It was 179 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: it was bad boy. It was about the girls and 180 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: the music and the weed and the party. 181 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 6: I know, I know that he was called the Ladies Wine. 182 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: Oh okay. 183 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 7: That the Ladies. 184 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fancy. It was all bad boy music 185 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: and I was having fun and it was making me 186 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: lots of money. Actually got very successful. 187 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: But there is this one time at the height of 188 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: my career when I just bote the latest carded that escally, 189 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: the first one in East Africa with twenty four in 190 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: spinning wheels, that I had packed outside the nightclub, when 191 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: a young man my age walked up to me, pulled 192 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: me out of the car and slapped the hell out 193 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: of me, and pulled up the gun and put it 194 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: on my face and asked me why I was showing off, 195 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: as if I did not know that the country had owners. Well, 196 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: that was the beginning of my realization that my money 197 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: and my seccess and my stardom did not matter if 198 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: there was no freedom. The humiliation that I faced reminded 199 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: me of the humiliation that had been with lensing other 200 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: people going through and I had been deceitfully shielded from 201 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: me because I was friends with the powerful a mighty. 202 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: But when this happened, I realized that if there's no justice, 203 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: if there's no freedom for everybody, even my pseudo freedom 204 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: was a city was alive. That day, my music transformed 205 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: that I started singing about justice. My music started being 206 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 1: activism music, revolutionary music. In fact, I cod named it 207 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: eighty attainment, not entertainment, so that I was the transformation 208 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: that I went through and for then for the next 209 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: ten years, I sang about injustices and the realities, until 210 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, when I realized that thinging about it alone 211 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: was not enough. 212 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: I had. 213 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: Social capital, I had a social acceptance, and many of 214 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: my friends, who had by that time nicknamed me the 215 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: Ghetto President. They pushed me to go on an even 216 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: more formal platform to talk about these things. And I 217 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: looked back at Bob Marley, who had been singing about things. 218 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: I looked back at Mohammad Ali, I looked back at Tupac, 219 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: and I was doing the same thing. But I had 220 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: to take the chiga. That's why I say that if 221 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: the Parliament cannot come to the ghetto, the ghetto will 222 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: go to the Parliament and they get to win. To 223 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: the Parliament and pass the parliament. Now the ghetto wants 224 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: to go to the Ugana and White House. 225 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: That's right. I love that. 226 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: I think that it is fair to say that the 227 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: People's President. The docuseries chronicles the last five years of 228 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: your life, in your life, and I believe when people 229 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: watch us, if they have not already watched it, they'll 230 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: have a culture, better understanding and great respect for the 231 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: courage of the people of Uganda. Barbie, this question is 232 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: for you, I wonder as his wife, I know that 233 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: you've been through a lot. Your entire family has been 234 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 3: through so much. You were just recently arrested for no reason, Bobby, 235 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: So talk to me, Barbie, about how you keep the 236 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: family stable, if you will, in terms of uh of 237 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: being strong when sometimes it seems fearful. Okay. 238 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 5: So they say that you don't know what to do 239 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 5: for a situation until you're in that situation. Nobody prepared 240 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 5: us for this. Nobody who wonders about what we're going 241 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 5: to find there. We've found ourselves fighting against a bigger 242 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 5: than life situation. So it has always been survival, survival, survival, 243 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 5: So every day we are walking towards staying alive, but 244 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 5: in the In the film, you just see that the 245 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 5: camera following us our family. There are so many untold 246 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 5: stories of very many bold with women, very many women 247 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 5: who are not just cheerer leaders, but who are at 248 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 5: the front line, women that if that camera followed them, 249 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 5: you just be amazed by their strength. Ours or mine 250 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 5: is nothing to look at compared to what those other 251 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 5: women have done. So I am just this image that 252 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 5: has been put in a place where the camera focuses 253 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 5: on what we go through. 254 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 6: But what we go through is not even half one 255 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 6: the women at the front line go for. So what 256 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 6: you see is just a little bit of what happens 257 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 6: in our country. 258 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 5: So I just give it up to all those other 259 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 5: women who are strong and who I get the strength from, 260 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 5: because I get the strength from those very women who 261 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 5: are surviving at the front line. I am in the 262 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 5: comfort of my home, just praig that my husband will 263 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 5: come home, But they at the front line, demanding for 264 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 5: their president, putting their lives on the line. So they 265 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 5: give me so much strength to play my small part. 266 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 5: And I'm just blessed that our children are strong individuals. 267 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 5: They watched everything happened, and none of them ever seemed 268 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 5: to be abandoned to be one of them took the 269 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 5: challenge by like with grace, and I'm very glad that 270 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 5: they did. And they also saw some children lose their 271 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 5: parents in this struggle, like proper dead. They went for 272 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 5: some of the barriers and these children are their friends. 273 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 5: So I think they also derived the strength from these 274 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 5: kids who had actually lost their parents but were strong. 275 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 5: So they felt like they can't start big childish when 276 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 5: someone has actually lost their parents. So we pray together 277 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 5: with the right we will get our strength from the 278 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 5: stronger individuals in the struggle. We have family that's there 279 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 5: for us whenever we are not able to do some things. 280 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 5: You know, Africa, we have big families, so we have 281 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 5: each other rely on. Yeah, basically it's a mixture of 282 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 5: so many things, but the main point is as the 283 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 5: riving the strength from those other women that are actually 284 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 5: going head on. 285 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: You do it together. 286 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 3: It's the collective. You guys are working together. I think 287 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: that's beautiful. Hey, everybody, we've got to pay some bills, 288 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 3: you know that, So this is really an important message. 289 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: We'll do me a favor. Fast forward if you have to, 290 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 3: but stay, stay here and listen and find out ways 291 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 3: in which you can support Bobby and his wife Barbara. 292 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 3: He'll be right back in just a few moments. 293 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 4: Every champion and Cary champion is to be a champion, 294 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 4: a champion and carry champion and carried chat. Be a 295 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 4: champion and carried chappion and carried chatt is his sport 296 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 4: and entertainment. 297 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 2: Get naked word. 298 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 4: Every champion, the carby champion is to be a champion, 299 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 4: a champion and carried champion. Nigger hut a champion and 300 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 4: carried champion and carried chat afraid entertainment. 301 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 2: Get naked word. 302 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 3: Welcome back to naked We still have Bobby and his 303 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 3: wife Barbara. I appreciate y'all. Bobby, can you talk to 304 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 3: us about your touring twenty one presidential bid in Uganda 305 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: where we believe that you want to race, but it 306 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: was stolen from you and there was still so much 307 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 3: hope even in that, even in that theft, because the 308 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 3: possibility of what could be is real. How do you 309 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 3: describe that entire time while running for president in your country? 310 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: WHOA in one statement, it's going to hell and coming back. Well, 311 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, it was the most bloody experience in my life. 312 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: It is the most fraudulent election. I believe in history. 313 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: You know, we went through an election that was more 314 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: like the Wall. I campaigned putting on a bullet proof 315 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: vest and a ballistic helmet. I watched my close friends 316 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: being run over by military tracks. I watched my friends 317 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: being shot and killed. I watched the young ladies being 318 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: abducted by the military and the police, and up to 319 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: now we don't know where they are. I buried so 320 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: many of my friends. But I also saw, like never before, 321 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: a spirit of and wavering desire for freedom. I saw 322 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: the right of a generation. I saw solidarity from all 323 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: corners of the art. 324 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: I saw hope. I still see hope, hope against hope. 325 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 2: I I I died and resurrected. Yeah. Yeah, we did it. Yes, 326 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: we did it. 327 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 3: I I know that my even in reading your story 328 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 3: and and talking about it with the film The Dark Series, 329 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 3: there was attempt to assassinate you and they ended up 330 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 3: killing your driver. 331 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Many attempts, many many. 332 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, film shows one. 333 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the film shows only one attempt, and that is 334 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen when my driver was shot and killed 335 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: and I survived that. But there were three more attempts 336 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: during the presidential election when bullets were shot in my car. 337 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 3: I don't know. 338 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: I used not to have so much faith, but those 339 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: survivors made me believe that there's a higher power. 340 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 2: That's right. I agree. 341 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 3: What what do you all plan to do when you 342 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 3: look when you look at this film and all that 343 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 3: you've accomplished, and that's just five years and I'm sure 344 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 3: they left out as mentioned so much more. But it 345 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 3: does give you a really good idea of the battle 346 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 3: and the struggle that is happening in Uganda. But you 347 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 3: say there is still hope, Barbi, What does the future 348 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 3: look like for you all? What would you say it's next? 349 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 6: The future is very very bright. 350 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: That's right, baby, that's right. 351 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: The future right, we are going to win. We are 352 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: going to be free, but I don't know how and when, 353 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: but for sure, we are convinced that we are going 354 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: to be free because looking at what other people have 355 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: gone through, looking at what the people of South Africa 356 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: have gone through and how they overcame it under the 357 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: able leadership of Nelson Mandela, what the people in America, 358 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: especially the black people have gone through. And looking back 359 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: in the days of Malcolmics and doctor Martin Luther King, 360 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: oppressed people have never stated op pressed forever and that 361 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: good has never lost to evil. So we are sure 362 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: we are going to win. We are sure because we 363 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: are on the right side of morality, the right side 364 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: of history, and we believe God is on now on site. 365 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, and we know that the young people of Uganda 366 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 5: are not going to give up. Yeah, they are young. 367 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 5: Our country is one of the youngest countries in the world. 368 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 5: Over eighty percent of our population is below the edge 369 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 5: of thirty. That they are all very vigilant and they're 370 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 5: fighting for their widow gret godness, Wait. 371 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 3: Eighty eighty five percent or under the age of thirty 372 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: in Uganda. 373 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, they've never seen another president. I mean 374 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,239 Speaker 1: I am forty one and back home, I am an 375 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: old man. 376 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're that trust me. 377 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 2: Wait. 378 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: So here's what's interesting to me, and this is that 379 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 3: when you are in your twenties or right there, even 380 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 3: in your thirties, you're very active and you're very aware. 381 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 3: And once the people have the knowledge, they then have power. 382 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 3: These are all things that we hear and say. But 383 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 3: I do understand that's a very activated age. This president 384 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: that is the only president that they know. Do you 385 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 3: feel is if there is a contingency or a group 386 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: of people that really want him in because he. 387 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 7: Serves a purpose, or is he ruling with fear. He 388 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 7: is ruling with fear, with fear by the barrow of 389 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 7: the gun. But yes, every dictator in the world has 390 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 7: the people that benefit from his dictatorship, those within the 391 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 7: country and those outside the country. Now those within the 392 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 7: country are first his family and they polite to coelite 393 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 7: that benefit from the massive corruption, and of course the 394 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 7: foreign elements which benefit from the massive natural. 395 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: Wealth that we have. 396 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: Our country is reaching gold and recently the biggest depositing 397 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: in the world was discovered in Uganda, is reaching oil, 398 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: in uranium and many others. 399 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: So we believe that there are. 400 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: Those forces that benefit from the exploitation of our resources 401 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: that helped General seven stay in power. So yes, he 402 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: rules with fear, but she also rules with the support 403 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: of those that are unfairly benefiting from the wealth of 404 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: our country. 405 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 3: You went to Ukraine when the war began or sometimes 406 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: during war, and you Li Liken Prout and the to 407 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 3: the President of Uganda in terms of the way in 408 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 3: which he rules. Was there a solidarity that you sent 409 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 3: with the Ukrainian people? That you recognized and as if 410 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: it's the same with your people in Uganda. 411 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: Yes, I went to Ukraine because I believe that wrong 412 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: is wrong wherever it is, and I wanted to stand 413 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: with the people of Ukraine. But also, of course it 414 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: was such a risk to go there, but I wanted 415 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: to also get the moral authority to tell the international 416 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: community that of the African lives matter too. You know, 417 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: the way they stood with Ukraine when they're fighting for 418 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: self determination is the way they should stand with Africa. 419 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: They should judge all dictators with the same standards. You know, 420 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: if General seven, who was a European president, doing that 421 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: European people, he would not be president today. But on 422 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: the eighteenth and nineteenth of November twenty twenty in massacred 423 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: more than one hundred and fifty innocent people, including women 424 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: and children and the elderly on camera, and this was 425 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: filmed by international journalists. Only a few weeks later, he 426 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: was receiving billions of money. General seven receives up to 427 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: a billion US dollars annually from the United States. Now 428 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: that should not be because it is that money that 429 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: is keeping us under subjugation. We said it numerously that 430 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: We are not asking for americas help. We're not asking 431 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: America to come and save us. We are only asking 432 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: them to stop sponsoring our oppression. 433 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 3: You know, that's so well said. Don't sponsor the oppression. 434 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 3: Don't and by the way, don't ignore it. You mentioned that, 435 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 3: and I think of it so often. You think of 436 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 3: the world that we live in and the lighter the 437 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 3: skin and the more protected you are. And it's so 438 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 3: unfortunate because we see it day in and day out 439 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 3: with the companies that the US chooses, that mean seen 440 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 3: in the countries that the US chooses to support. I 441 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 3: and this is for everyone who was listening. I really, 442 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 3: I really encourage you to go out and watch this 443 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 3: docu series again. It came out in October. It is 444 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 3: on YouTube, It is on Disney Plus, which I think 445 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: is I think is interesting, and then it's also on Hulu. 446 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 3: Good for you guys to get all of that distribution. 447 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 3: That is huge because it can reach a lot people. 448 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 6: I'm very grateful to not Geo. 449 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: For doing Yeah, that Geo, which is it's amazing. And Richard, 450 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 3: tell me your working relationship with that Jill. How did 451 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 3: this all this film come about? 452 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 5: No body, it's not jail. This is not a supposed advert, Okay, 453 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 5: just believe me. This is a genuine response to how 454 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 5: they have dealt with our film from the beginning, giving 455 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 5: it all these opportunities, all these exposures are indebted telling 456 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 5: us story all over the world and giving it prime space. 457 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 6: We are in dated we have and. 458 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: If i'm as if I may mention, also believe me 459 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: there are so many oppressed people across the world, the 460 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: many painful stories. They are painful stories in the Congo 461 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: or that have been ongoing, many painful stories in Somalia, 462 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: in Soudan and other places. We're only honored and likely 463 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: to see that the case study in Uganda got this opportunity, 464 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: and I hope that our story will be an inlet 465 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: to the attention of all other stories across the world 466 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: of people. We hope that this is not only a 467 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: focus on our operasion. And I've always said it that 468 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: once we free up, we will always use our country 469 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: as a launch part for the freedom of all other people. 470 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: So we're only grateful that we've got this opportunity with 471 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: na Jeo to tell our story, and we hope our 472 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: story inspires all other people, especially young people of our 473 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: generation to believe in freedom, and not only to believe, 474 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: but to go out there to risk it all to 475 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: make sure that they change the fortunes of their nations 476 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: and to say that they see a day of freedom 477 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: and liberty in their lifetime. 478 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: Amen, I received that. I'm activated, I'm ready, I'm ready. 479 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 3: Where we're going, I'll let go, oh fallow. 480 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 4: Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion, 481 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 4: a champion, and carry champion and carry chat be out 482 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 4: a champion and carry Champion and carry Champion entertainment. 483 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 7: Getting naked Weird. 484 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 4: Erry Champion and carry Champion is to be a champion, 485 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 4: a champion and Carrie Champion, Nigger kitty shot, a champion 486 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 4: and carry Champion and Carrie chap. 487 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: Entertainment. 488 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 3: Get naked Weird. Barbie you said this, and I and 489 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 3: I and I'm curious because I listened to how passionate 490 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 3: Bobby is and Barbie you on your Instagram you had this. 491 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 3: I was just, you know, perusing, and you had something 492 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 3: that I thought was beautiful and it was simple and 493 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 3: it was your daughter. And I think she might have 494 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 3: been singing. I don't know she was singing, but you said, 495 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 3: give me motherhood any day, and I thought that was 496 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 3: a really beautiful, beautiful and and I wonder, are you 497 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 3: aware that you're raising activists and if they if they 498 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 3: decided to pick up, we're bobbing left off. How does 499 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 3: that make you feel? 500 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 6: Just ask me how it is making me feel. 501 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 5: I have a fifteen year old who is vocal about 502 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 5: international issues. I won't tell you Instagram handle, I will 503 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 5: not tell it anybody because sometimes we are now in 504 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 5: the crisis of trying to tell her, you know, in 505 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 5: two year, can't take some time. 506 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 6: You need guidance from us. 507 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 5: But she has a view or what is happening in 508 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 5: Israel and Ghazand, what is happening in Ukraine, what's happening 509 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 5: is that? What's happening in Barandi? What's happening about the 510 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 5: oil in Uganda and Tanzania? She is so you know, 511 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 5: an apple doesn't fall far away from. 512 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: It makes you. I named that after my mother, so 513 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,959 Speaker 2: it shouldn't surprise us. 514 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so we already knew coming. 515 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 516 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 6: So I think every child should be just left to 517 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 6: be who they want to be with the guidance. As 518 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 6: an adult and as a parent, you just try to 519 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 6: guide how you know, based but within the confines of 520 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 6: yourself and letting them growing and fly and go, because 521 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 6: you don't want them to stay with a closed linde 522 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 6: like yours. Because every child is born in their generation 523 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 6: and generation has a way they deal with things. So 524 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 6: you don't you don't impose your faults and children. 525 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 3: No you don't. Yeah, No, you're so right. And by 526 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: the way, that's very generous of you. I don't know 527 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 3: too many parents who like to have let their children 528 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 3: have freedom and figure themselves out. They kind of try 529 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 3: to tell them what they do. So that's very loving 530 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 3: of you both. Before I let you go, Babby, I 531 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 3: am curious for those who are listening and those who 532 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 3: know of your work, how can we support how do 533 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 3: we support the people of Yougandha and what we hope 534 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 3: will soon be a democracy, a free nation? 535 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: There, ladies, First, before we even as any support, want 536 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: to appreciate the attention that we have got so far. 537 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: It is because of the attention of the world, especially 538 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: the international community, that I am still alive. Have been 539 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: rested many times, but the only thing that kept me 540 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: alive at the international outcries that forced the regime to 541 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: spit me out. 542 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 2: So we appreciate. 543 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: We would hope to have continued attention on your gandha, 544 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: to have the wild pay attention to us and whenever 545 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: possible to amplify our voices, kindly follow me on Facebook, 546 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: on Instagram and on TikTok Bobby Why because social media 547 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: is our only boys. We are blocked from our traditional media. 548 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: Back on a musician, but my music is abolished and 549 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: my name is banned the radio, and people are arrested 550 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: and they disappear for just playing my music. So social 551 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: media is our only way. Please amplify our voices. To 552 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: the citizens of the European Union and the United States, 553 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: we request you to kindly amplify our voices by reaching 554 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: out to your leaders, your congressmen and women and asking 555 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: them to change the policy in Uganda, asking them to 556 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: stop sponsoring terror, to spons stop sponsoring dictators, because dictators 557 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: are only kept alive by international money which is actually 558 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: borrowed in our my name, which we and my children 559 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: and my great grandchildren are going to pay. The national 560 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: date in Uganda pristans at chuch and saying rate that 561 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: it would take with the GANNA taxpayers ninety to seven 562 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: years to pay, and that money is being borrowed and 563 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: it's used to oppress us. So if you, the citizens 564 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: of the United States and the European Union, who have 565 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: the leary of protesting for a right, who have the 566 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: privilege of being listened to by leaders, kindly ask your leaders, 567 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: twitch to them, post to them, immail them, and ask 568 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: them to influence a change in the policy in Uganda. 569 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: What are we asking for. We're asking the international community 570 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: to put coalitions of respect for democracy, respect for the 571 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: rule of law, and respect for human rights in exchange 572 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: for cooperation with Uganda, not to continuously just keep paying 573 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: a dictator that uses the money to commit crimes that 574 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: are contrary to the values that bring us together, that 575 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: will keep us safe. The rest we shall do ourselves. 576 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: That's all we're asking for the United States. 577 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 3: And you want and you want, I want to make 578 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 3: sure I'm getting this right. You want people to follow 579 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 3: follow you on all social outlets because that is the 580 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 3: way in which you were able to share what's going 581 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 3: on back home, because exactly then and if you don't 582 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 3: have you need people to really support this platform for 583 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 3: you and. 584 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 2: Sure, okay, amplify our voices. Definitely. Bobby had some asks. 585 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, after direction and the abductions. We have turned into 586 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 6: a charity. 587 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 5: And the National Unity Platform, the political party is spending 588 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 5: so much money on maintenance of prisoners because they have 589 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 5: to visit them to take them political prisons. We have 590 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 5: very many political prisoners in different prisons of the country. 591 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 5: So the Nationality Platform has to fund all the all 592 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,439 Speaker 5: the families of the missing, the families of the dead 593 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 5: and the families of those in prison. So and it 594 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 5: is very expensive. So we will carry drives of donations 595 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 5: once in a while and we run these drives on 596 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 5: Bobby's social media platforms. So yeah, when people follow then 597 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 5: they will know when that time comes and then we 598 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 5: would ask them to donate towards the course. Also, Iran 599 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 5: a charity where most of those children are. Our charity 600 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 5: pays their school fees and looks after them during school time. 601 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 5: It's called Carrying hat U Ganda. When you google me 602 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 5: and the charity that Iran, if you go to our website, 603 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 5: there is a place for donations that also will help us. 604 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 3: Keep this this this two jenin is it Caring hearts 605 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 3: Uganda dot com? What website? What is the website? 606 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 6: Caring hats Yugandha dot. 607 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 2: Org dot Org. 608 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 3: It's always order, okay. Bobby Wine and Barbie, thank you 609 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 3: so much, so very much for the work. Thank you 610 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 3: for using your voice to speak to those who cannot speak, 611 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 3: and for your courage because I know it's not easy 612 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 3: for the folks. Again, you are listening. Nat Geo did 613 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 3: the docu series. It's available on Disney Plus. It is 614 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 3: also available on Hulu as well as YouTube. That means 615 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 3: there's no way in which you cannot watch it. If 616 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 3: you don't have a streaming service, you have YouTube, I'm sure, 617 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 3: so go check it out and support that. Thank you 618 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 3: guys so much. Again. Again, you guys, you should go 619 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 3: out and support Bobby Wine the People's President. The documentary 620 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 3: is streaming on Hulu, on Disney Plus, on YouTube. There's 621 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 3: absolutely no way in which you cannot find it, So 622 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 3: go out and support. I gotta say this again, it 623 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 3: really takes a lot of courage to decide that you 624 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 3: want to go out and speak for those who can't 625 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 3: speak for themselves. And Bobby and his wife are not 626 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 3: even in their home country anymore because they can't be. 627 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 3: They've been exiled. If he will, they cannot return. He 628 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 3: talked about this in the podcast three attempts, three assassination 629 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 3: attempts on his life, and he is still here today 630 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 3: and still fighting. I encourage you to follow him on 631 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 3: all of his social media platforms so that he can 632 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 3: help get that message out to you and others, and 633 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 3: maybe in some form or fashion that people of Uganda 634 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 3: can have justice. I am done. I am not going 635 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 3: to complain about not having heat. I am not going 636 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,439 Speaker 3: to complain about the New York look cold because from 637 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 3: my perspective and from someone else's perspective, I'm living a 638 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 3: good life. I can't complain. We really can't. When you 639 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 3: think about what's happening all over this world, we really 640 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 3: truly can't complain. Today's podcast is teaching me correct to 641 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. I'll talk to you all next week.