1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: For decades, US companies trying to cut costs and stay 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: competitive have resorted to offshoring, sending jobs and sometimes their 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: entire operations, to China and other faraway places where they 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: can make their products for less. But recently some companies 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: have started to rethink where they want to be with 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: rising US China tensions and painful pandemic lessons about what 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: happens when your product is stranded thousands of miles away 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: from your customers, and now jobs are coming back west. 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: Instead of offshoring, we've got the reverse. It's being called 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: near shoring, because who doesn't love a catch hraise. The 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: key word here, though, is near. A lot of those 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: jobs aren't quite coming all the way back. Bloomberg's Leeda 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: Alivim and Maya Avrobuck report that hundreds of companies serving 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: American consumers are instead relocating to Mexico, much closer than 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: Asia but less expensive than operating in the US. 16 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: You can literally drive from Mexico for the city of 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 2: Monterrey to the US border in less than three hours 18 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: without hitting one single red light, so that's one of 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: the big selling points. 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 3: I think what's kind of funny about it is that 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: you can walk into an industrial park like that and 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: you have like a giant cookie maker next to an 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: auto parts maker, and they're all really there for the 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 3: same purpose, which is that there's land. It's near the border. 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm Westcsova today on the big take, Mexico is open 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: for business, Lada. I had no idea that there was 27 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: so much business and industry pouring into Mexico right now. 28 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: Why exactly is this happening? 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: So it all started with tensions between the US and China. 30 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: Since the pandemic has been rewiring global trade around the world, 31 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: and now people and companies are looking to change and 32 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: expand their operations closer to where their client is. So 33 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: a lot of companies that we're seeing, and what we 34 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: talk about in the story is they're moving or expanding 35 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: operations in Mexico as a way to serve the US. 36 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: For a lot of years, we heard about offshoring, this 37 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: idea that you move production overseas where it's cheaper, and 38 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: this seems to be the exact opposite of that. 39 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: So now we're seeing the trend of near shoring, and 40 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: Mexico is in the center of this new trend, especially 41 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: the northern region of Mexico, including the state of Revollon 42 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: where Monterey in the capital, Tesla announced a five billion 43 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: dollar investment to build its new gigafactory. 44 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: Even with these tensions, why is it an advantage to 45 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: be in Mexico. 46 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: Obviously, the US is a huge market. That means US 47 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: consumers are buying products from around the world. If they're 48 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: in Mexico, and especially in northern Mexico, they can just 49 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: drive across the border. And it's a convenient for a 50 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: lot of companies. Also because it's cheaper to produce in 51 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 3: Mexico than in the US. And so not all companies 52 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: are moving to Mexico, but there's certainly companies that are 53 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: looking at the country and thinking, I'm going to be 54 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: a few hours from the US. I can appeal to 55 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: different markets in this way, and I can guarantee to 56 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 3: my customers that they're not going to have supply chain 57 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: disruptions in the way that they did in the pandemic. 58 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: And you spoke to people involved in operating some of 59 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: these businesses in Mexico. Here's one of them. 60 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: My name is so Semodia Rasa. I'm the CEO of 61 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 4: Presido IP, the relement and construction right in Mexico northeast 62 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 4: of Mexican. Remember, we got nineteen one hundred miles of 63 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 4: border with the US, which is the largest market in 64 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: the world, and based on the US and Free Trades 65 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 4: agreement in Mexico had an our companies established in Mexico, 66 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 4: none only to supply the US market, also to supply 67 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 4: the world. 68 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: My side from Mexico has been close to the US. 69 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: You're right that there are a lot of advantages to 70 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: moving a company to Mexico. 71 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: Mexico is a country that's been developing manufacturing, especially near 72 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: the border, since the sixties, and it's had this massive 73 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: trade deal with Canada and with the US since the nineties, 74 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: and so this is not like a new game for Mexico. 75 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: The auto industry was already here, and so when auto 76 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: companies are talking about switching to evs and are talking 77 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: about selling EVS to US consumers, for many of them, 78 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: it's reoutfitting operations that they already have. A lot of 79 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: the investment that's coming into Mexico from foreign companies is 80 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 3: also building on plants that are already here. They're companies 81 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: that are adding a second or a third plant, and 82 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: so they kind of have the know how of what 83 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 3: Mexico looks like. It's a country. Again, there are a 84 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: lot of people work in manufacturing. It's a big source 85 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 3: of employment. There are a lot of trained engineers. There's 86 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: a lot of people who are looking to work in 87 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: these industries. And so for companies who are moving here 88 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: or trying to expand operations, that's an advantage. And then 89 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: for all those little companies or mid size companies, they're 90 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: part of a chain. Right. So a company like Tesla 91 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: might move to Mexico and it brings with it other 92 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: companies in its wake. It needs suppliers for all its 93 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: different parts and needs someone to make the plastic components 94 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 3: the metal components in every car, and Tesla's not going 95 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: to do all of that itself. So the kind of 96 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: assembly work that happens in these big manufacturing centers in 97 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: Mexico is something that Mexico has been doing for decades 98 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: and that it's really good at and companies want to 99 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: keep doing that here, but at a bigger scale. 100 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: Now you can literally drive from Mexico for the city 101 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: of Monterrey to the US border in less than three 102 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: hours without hitting one single red light. So that's one 103 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: of the big selling points of Mexico bringing those companies 104 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: and attracting those investments into the region, which also raises 105 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: an issue that even the government has been actively talking about. 106 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: It's how the investment across the country is a little 107 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: bit divided between the north region and the south. So 108 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: we see a lot of even the government itself trying 109 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: to pull more investments from companies abroad to the southern regions, 110 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: which hasn't been a lot of the case because if 111 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: all those companies are coming to the northern region, they 112 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: also are facing some certain challenges because of that big demand, 113 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: and we see that with industrial park space, we see 114 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: that with the challenges around infrastructure and how it's not 115 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: able to keep up that big demand. And they're trying 116 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: their best to speed up the investments around, but many 117 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: still think that's not enough and there's still more to do. 118 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: The current governor of the president and Esminuel Loprezo Brador, 119 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: who is known as AMLO, is focusing its last term 120 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: in office on building and developing its big product of 121 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: a railroad that will connect both the Pacific and the 122 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: Gulf of Mexico, and they're selling it that it will 123 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: rival the Panama Canal, and I. 124 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: Want to talk a little bit more about some of 125 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: those big challenges that Mexico is facing out as so 126 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: many companies are flocking there. But first let's talk a 127 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: little bit more about what kinds of companies are showing 128 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: up in Mexico and Maya. You talked a little bit 129 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: about Tesla, and one of the things that just stood 130 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: out to me in your story was the incredible gravitational 131 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: pull that Tesla's new plant there has brought, and how 132 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: many other companies are coming in to support it. 133 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: The Economy Ministry the state, Ivan Rivas, told us that 134 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: he estimated that some thirty companies had moved to the 135 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: state in the last few years, both because of the 136 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: Tesla plant that's going to be built in Mexico and 137 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 3: another Tesla factory that was built in Austin, Texas. And 138 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: so these are the parts suppliers, right, These are the 139 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: people who make the windshield and the brakes and the 140 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: machines that make it possible for there to be self 141 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: driving cars on the road. Obviously a lot of those 142 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: providers don't just sell to Tesla. They can sell the 143 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 3: same kinds of products to all different kinds of companies. 144 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 3: And so you see companies that sell some products to 145 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 3: the auto's market, some products to other people, and they're 146 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: working with plastics and metals, and so, yeah, Tesla has 147 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: kind of been a selling point for the government. There 148 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 3: was a lot of hype later. 149 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: With all these companies coming to Mexico. How much does 150 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: all this investment work? 151 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 4: Well? 152 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,599 Speaker 2: The Mexican economy has been recording export figures over the 153 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: last few months as a result of this near shoring boom. 154 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: Just an example, in May, shipment rows five point eight 155 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: percent from a year ago, reaching fifty two point nine 156 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: billion and recording the second highest print on record. Just 157 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: this year in general has been record breaking for Mexico 158 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: in this terms of exports. And even to put into 159 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 2: some context when we talk about this foreign direct investment 160 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,119 Speaker 2: is how much are we seeing in Mexico coming in? 161 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: Mexico received twenty nine billion in foreign direct investment in 162 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: the first half of twenty twenty three, in which most 163 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: of that money comes from the US since it is 164 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: the number one buyer of goods, and the amount represents 165 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 2: just forty one percent increase from that same period a 166 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: year before, and even bisector fifty seven percent is manufacturing, 167 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: so we definitely see that shift. 168 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 3: I would also just say we talk a lot about 169 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: auto because they're these huge consumer products for the US 170 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: because there's a shift to eves and incentives in the 171 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: US for people to do that, and some of those 172 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: cars are being made in Mexico. And the auto and 173 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: transportation sector was responsible for one hundred and fifty billion 174 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: dollars of exports from Mexico to the US this year. 175 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 3: But we also see things like computers and electronics and furniture, 176 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: and there's this huge increase in exports of beverages and tobacco. 177 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: So there's this real diversity of products that are going 178 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: from Mexico to the US. 179 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: And another thing that you talk about that's really very interesting, 180 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: especially when we're talking about the relationship between the US 181 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: and China, is how many of the companies moving to 182 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: Mexico that are Chinese companies. 183 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 184 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that Chinese companies sell to all kinds 185 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: of different suppliers and data. I want to be left out. 186 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: Those Chinese companies want to be part of experts to 187 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 3: the US, and if they're operating in Mexico, they're not 188 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 3: going to be facing the same kinds of tariffs as 189 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: if they were producing still in China, and. 190 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: Lady, you're write that this is kind of one way 191 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: that China is keeping its hand in and not losing 192 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: out on all that business even if they're not producing 193 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: it at home. 194 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: Right, they want to follow that trend. And just to 195 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: mention that this past month in China was very tough 196 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: in general with the slow down and the economic troubles, 197 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: which is putting Mexico in an even better position in 198 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: terms of its relationship to the US. We're seeing that 199 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 2: Mexico is being uplifted by it and it's boosting its 200 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: position and its relationship with the US. And just in July, 201 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: it officially became the biggest import for the US. They're 202 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: passing China that has for long been the number one. 203 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: One study from the Bank BBVA suggested that in the 204 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: next couple of years, one in five foreign investments in 205 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: Mexico would come from Chinese companies. So they're having this 206 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: growing role in new investments in the country. And while 207 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: other companies are expanding, it looks like the new ones 208 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: that are moving in definitely include a lot of these 209 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 3: Chinese firms. 210 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: After the break with so many new factories cropping up, 211 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: does Mexico have the infrastructure to handle it. Mayo. We 212 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that all of this investment that companies are 213 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: bringing are also coming with a certain amount of headaches 214 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: that Mexico wants them to come, but they don't have 215 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: the infrastructure to support all of this industry. Yet what 216 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: are they doing about that. 217 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: Companies have to make a decision about whether they're willing 218 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: to run into certain kinds of risks when they're deciding 219 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: to invest, because these are long term investments. So one 220 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: of the issues is a shortage of water. There was 221 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: a huge drought that affected northern Mexico last year. In 222 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: Monterrey specifically, where we're seeing this huge business boom. There 223 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 3: are a lot of people without water for many days 224 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: on end. And there's some kinds of solutions, like the 225 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 3: government is working on building a new aqueduct to the 226 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: city to bring more water to it, but that's not 227 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: going to get rid of drought or get rid of 228 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: climate conditions that are making this part of the country difficult. 229 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 3: AMLO's government has said, well, why don't companies go to 230 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: states where there's more water. It's going to be easier 231 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 3: to guarantee them supply, and that there's a population issue, 232 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: which is, if you build a bunch of factories, you 233 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 3: need people to work in those factories, and those people 234 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: are going to need water, and the country simply might 235 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: not have it in certain states that have traditionally been 236 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: the hot bet of investment, manufacturing, and therefore exports. The 237 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 3: other issues are things like the electricity grid. We talked 238 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: to one manager at a plant who talked a lot 239 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: about the headache of having power outages and the fact 240 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: that he had to scrap some of the products that 241 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: they were developing because their production lines would suddenly shut down. 242 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: And Mexico is certainly working on expanding its grid. There's 243 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: been a big battle during this administration of exactly who 244 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: should be responsible for electricity production and distribution, whether the 245 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: state should have a bigger role, or private industry should 246 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: have a bigger role, whether renewables should have a bigger 247 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 3: part in the industry as well. And we've seen some 248 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: companies try to find workarounds they can produce some amount 249 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: of their own electricity, but not the bulk of it 250 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: for the scale of operations that we're talking about. 251 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 5: All My name is Spidro GRANMPA. I'm responsible for the 252 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 5: operations of Quanta in Mexico. There's plenty of people talking 253 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 5: about nilshore, and there's plenty of people talking about what 254 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 5: the SATs made in China can said and the future 255 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 5: made in Mexico. But I don't see, and this is 256 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 5: my personal opinion, I don't see interialist strategy. Let's go 257 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 5: to that way from our fertort is together with a 258 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 5: tat autor it is about how to facilitate those processes 259 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 5: or being set up in Mexico. So near shoring is 260 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 5: going to happen to Mexico. Don't know if it's going 261 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 5: to happen to the contential. 262 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: Later. I guess another thing that they're facing is just 263 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: finding enough workers. In the US, where there's also a 264 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: lot of investment going into building chips and cars and 265 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: other sorts of products, finding people who are skilled to 266 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: do that work has been a real challenge. Does Mexico 267 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: have enough people to fill out the ranks about these companies, I. 268 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: Think it's a constant growth. When we went to Montere, 269 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: one of the selling points as well that the advertise 270 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: is the skilled workforce. They talk about a lot of 271 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: their universities and how it's very specialized for their teachings 272 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: and how much they can add to the workforce coming 273 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: into this production. 274 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: It depends if you need to hire sort of an 275 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: engineer specialized in certain computers, or if you need to 276 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 3: hire sort of assembly line workers who are going to 277 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: be manually putting together parts. Certainly, Mexico has a lot 278 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: of workers, and there's a competition between companies. We've heard 279 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: about companies training workers and then having those same workers 280 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 3: be poached by other companies because there is a high 281 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: level of demand right now. Unemployment in Mexico is a 282 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: historic lows at the moment because there is such a 283 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: great desire for this workforce. And you know, that doesn't 284 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: mean that there aren't still people leaving Mexico to go 285 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: work in the US where there are much higher wages, 286 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: but it does mean that part of what's attractive about 287 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: some of these big cities that already have a lot 288 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 3: of manufacturing or experience in aerospace or in electronics is 289 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: that they do have a certain amount of trained people. 290 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: We've talked about how the US is glad that a 291 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: lot of these companies are moving to Mexico away from China, 292 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: But is there any tension with the US? Joe Biden 293 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: has a big plan to try to bring back a 294 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: lot of manufacturing to the US. Is the US at 295 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: all trying to lure those companies not to Mexico but 296 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: to the United States. 297 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 3: This is a tricky thing for the US government. We've 298 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: seen some firms look at both Mexico and the US 299 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: and in the end have to make a decision about 300 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: where they're going to end up. So we know that 301 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 3: there is a certain amount of competition at the level 302 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 3: of individual companies who are kind of going on tours 303 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: and trying to figure out what's convenient for me. That said, 304 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 3: this is a three way trade agreement between Mexico and 305 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 3: the US and Canada. In theory, it is still beneficial 306 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: for the US government to have these companies moving to 307 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 3: North America. Certainly, as you said, it might not want 308 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 3: a big chunk of those companies to be Chinese companies, 309 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 3: but it does want to have availability of products, and 310 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 3: there's a lot of back and forth production. Right There's 311 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: certainly some industries where we see plans for cross border production, 312 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: like with semiconductors, but investing in one place doesn't necessarily 313 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: mean leaving out the other. 314 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: Later. Another question that often comes up about Mexico is crime, 315 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: especially the drug cartels and violence. How does that enter 316 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: into the calculations that companies thinking about Mexico are making. 317 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: They say, while it's still a concern, it's not yet 318 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: the stopping point for us to be like we're moving 319 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: to the US or we're not thinking about Mexico. But 320 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: many say that the benefits outweigh the risks in terms 321 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: of what Mexico has been facing. So when they look 322 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: at it, they look in the bigger picture, and when 323 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: the plan to expand their operations in North America, they 324 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 2: still see that Mexico has a better value with labor 325 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: costs and the production and they do make that decision 326 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: to continue despite the challenges. 327 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: Here's hose Maria Garza again, he's the CEO and president 328 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: of GP Development and Construction. 329 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 4: Well, if you look at it from all perspective, construction 330 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 4: and regal state is cheaper here than the US. Leases 331 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 4: are less here than the US. We have access to 332 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 4: the same finance, and our constructure costs is way lower, 333 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 4: I will say forty fifty percent lower than the US. 334 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 4: And manufacturing costs here in Mexico steel we are very 335 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 4: very competitive worldwide. We can compete with any country. 336 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: In the world. 337 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: When we come back, Maya and Leda, tell us what 338 00:19:50,320 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: this business boom looks like on the ground in Monterey. Lady, 339 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: you mentioned how you and Maya went to Monterey, which 340 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: is the site of so much of this activity. What's 341 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: it like there? What did you see? 342 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: It's a boomtown. It's a city that is continuously growing, 343 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: and it's very industrial. You'll drive around the roads and 344 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: you see big trucks just clogging the highways. 345 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that developers are super excited 346 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 3: about the amount of growth that is happening. It also 347 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: means that the city is growing outwards, and so there 348 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: are huge industrial areas where developers are trying to put 349 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 3: up buildings that they think they can sell really quickly. 350 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: And they can think they can sell them when they're 351 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 3: half done, when there's no windows, when there's no ceiling 352 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: yet there's no doors. But there are companies that are 353 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 3: interested enough that they'll put money down and say, okay, 354 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: I want that building. Other companies are buying space instead 355 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: of renting. Rental times have gone up, and so you 356 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 3: walk around between these massive buildings that are in the 357 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: middle of construction zones. But are still operating. Companies that 358 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: already there are putting up new buildings nearby, and so 359 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 3: everything looks a little bit half finished, and it's really 360 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: hot in summer. I have to say that's another challenge 361 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: for people who live and work there. And all of 362 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: these trucks are kicking up dust on the rate of 363 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 3: the border and they get stuck in traffic jams, and 364 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 3: you can see people from different parts of the world 365 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 3: who have sent representatives to try to figure out is 366 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: Mexico the right place for us? Where all these other factors, 367 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 3: you know, the heat, the building space that isn't that 368 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 3: available right now, the electricity, the crime, whatever it is, 369 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 3: are going to make it not that preferable. 370 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: And so we have all this activity pouring into Mexico, 371 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: and yet one of the things you write is that 372 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: there's a concern that this could be a cautionary tale, 373 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: that Mexico has seen this kind of growth in them 374 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: passed and it didn't last. 375 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: I think there was an idea in the nineties and 376 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 3: even before that exports were going to be the big 377 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: answer for the Mexican economy, that it was going to 378 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 3: turn into this great manufacturer and this would make all 379 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 3: the difference for its population, that people would be better 380 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 3: off essentially because of all of this manufacturing, and that 381 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: didn't exactly turn out as maybe the politicians at the 382 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 3: time expected. Since NAFTA went into effect in nineteen ninety four, 383 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 3: which is the free trade agreement between Mexico, the US, 384 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: and Canada, I think Mexico since then has had growth 385 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 3: on average of about two percent, which is okay, but 386 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 3: it also means that it's been surpassed in growth by 387 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 3: other countries that were doing worse than it at the 388 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 3: start of the century. Countries like Turkey or Poland or 389 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 3: Malaysia that are now bet are off, and so I 390 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: think there's this sense in Mexico that maybe the bet 391 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 3: on cheap labor in manufacturing and exports to the US 392 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: didn't exactly work out. There's still millions of people in poverty. 393 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 3: There's certain government programs that have helped to reduce the 394 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: poverty figure, but over a third of the country still 395 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 3: lives in poverty, and a ton of people migrate still 396 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 3: because they don't have enough work opportunities, and there's a 397 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: big division in the country, and obviously a lot of 398 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 3: states where the trade agreements have not worked in their favor. 399 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: There are places that had a lot of agricultural small 400 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 3: scale agriculture of different kinds that were affected by all 401 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 3: of the imports from the US, things like us Coorn 402 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: and those areas of the country weren't benefited by the 403 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: trade agreements high in the nineties. There have been efforts 404 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 3: since then to revise the trade agreement to make sure 405 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: that it's more beneficial, to make sure that there's more 406 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: attention to labor rights, But fundamentally, this is still a 407 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 3: bet on exports, right It's a bet that exporting more 408 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 3: will make Mexico richer, and if it becomes richer, the 409 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 3: people who live there will become richer. That hasn't exactly 410 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 3: turned out to be the case. So I think there's 411 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: this big question of who is going to end up benefiting. 412 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 3: Is it going to be the foreign companies who are 413 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 3: getting a really good deal because they are moving to 414 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 3: a country that still has a lower cost labor force, 415 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 3: they're finding open land that they can develop and it 416 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 3: can continue to the export to the US market, Or 417 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: is it Mexico and Mexicans who are working in all 418 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 3: of these factories who are going to end up benefiting. 419 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: Later when you look down the road a year from now, 420 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,479 Speaker 1: five years from now, where do you see this story heading. 421 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 2: I think Mexico will still be looking to continue to 422 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: enjoy this opportunity with near shoring as it attracts more 423 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: companies coming into the country and take advantage of that. 424 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: It's a big moment for Mexico. Now it's a matter 425 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 2: of how they're going to take advantage of it for 426 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: next years. We're seeing exports surging and hitting records. Will 427 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 2: continue to see that trend moving forward, especially as companies 428 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: establish themselves and officially begin operating in the country in 429 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: the coming years. So I think going into next year's elections, 430 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: it's a matter to see what are the candidates' plans 431 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: to continue this trend of near shoring and to continue 432 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: to attract the companies so that Mexico can fully take 433 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 2: advantage of this moment that's been presented and not repeat 434 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 2: history as it's been for the last few years. 435 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 3: I think it's also an interesting election race. Right we 436 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: have two leading women candidates, the candidate for the party 437 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 3: of the president and the candidate for the opposition, So 438 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: it's pretty likely that Mexico will have a women president 439 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: for the first time starting at the end of twenty 440 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 3: twenty four. Certainly, both of these candidates are promising that 441 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 3: they're women of the people, that they are going to 442 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 3: pay attention to poverty, to the security issues, and that 443 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 3: they are going to make sure that the country keeps growing. 444 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: But exactly how they plan to do that, we don't 445 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 3: know yet. 446 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 5: Hopefully we'll get our act together and whatever it's say 447 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 5: in my inn a China becomes Nada Mexico. 448 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: Sooner leta maya. Thanks so much. 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