1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ Buck 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: with you on a Friday episode. With a big weekend 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: of football coming up, Buck, what do you what are 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: you looking forward to the most? When we get to 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: the college championship games? We got some some great matchups 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: starting tonight with what is really a play in game, right, 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: We've got UNLV Boise State. They're going to tangle here 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: to see who gets a shot there. We got too 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: Lane an Army You're an army guy, so I know 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: where you stand there. But the other the other championship games, 12 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: We've got Iowa State, Arizona State in the Big twelve, 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: Georgia Texas the rematch there in the SEC, Penn State 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: Oregon number one versus three for the Big Ten, and 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: then Clemson SMU, which will have a huge impact on 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: how that game goes down in terms of do the 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: You know, is there another team that pops in there 18 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: from the from the SEC? Potentially? 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 3: Okay, let's start about I would say the prelimbs. 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the other ones, and so what I 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: love about championship games and gives teams from conferences that 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: you may not see every week depending on how your 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: Saturday breaks down. It gives you an opportunity to see 24 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: those teams. So in watching Tulane take on Army, that'll 25 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: be a great opportunity to see the American the Mountain West. 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: When you look at UNLV and Boise and how they 27 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: get down two coaches that have done a really, really 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: good job of putting their teams in position. Barry Odom 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: who has really done a great job at UNLV getting 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: them off the matt You remember how you NFV. 31 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: Were struggling a few years from. 32 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: Like he used to be in Missouri. Comes to the UNV, 33 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: gets them going. And then look Boise with the runner 34 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: Genti and the way that boys he has always been 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: able to give people problems. That's going to be fabulous. 36 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: Tulane is a game to watch because the coach summer 37 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: All is one of the hottest names that you're gonna 38 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: hear on the circuit. What he's been able to do 39 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: to get them doing. First he was at Troy got 40 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: them successfully up and going. You think about the job 41 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: that he's doing in Tulane. He is someone if he 42 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 1: wants to he's going to have a big job taking 43 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: that on. And so I'm fascinated by watching those games. 44 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: But DJ, you know, the old scout in me is 45 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: we're looking at the main the main dish. Just think 46 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: about the big team game in the SEC game and 47 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: the amount of players that we're going to talk about 48 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: in the run up to the draft that are going 49 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: to participate in those games. How could you not want 50 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: to see those games and those teams play it out. 51 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: I'm I'm so fired up, man, and like buck to me, 52 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: I mean the evaluation opportunities that you have with all 53 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: these multiple games. Like for example, when you just look 54 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: at at Oregon, Man, I got to see Oregon versus Michigan. 55 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: Oregon versus Ohio State is a great tape to watch. 56 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 2: Now I see Oregon versus Penn State. Like, come on, man, 57 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: like this is this is gonna make scouting easier. Now, 58 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: all our buddies don't want to hear that, but it's true. 59 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: Like what good games you want to watch? I got 60 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: seven to choose from with the with the amount of 61 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: quality opponents. 62 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: Well, DJ, I would tell you going all the way 63 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: back to when I was working like I always would 64 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: kind of work back was like some guys work from 65 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: the end of the year back. 66 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: But I always prefer to look at rivalry games. 67 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: I want to see people in championship games and then 68 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: anything they had to do with the playoffs, because those 69 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: games are going to have the energy and the personnel 70 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: that's most like what we're going to see on Sundays 71 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL. To have an opportunity to watch these 72 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: guys play these meaningful games where. 73 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: Stakes are on the line, it gives you like a 74 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: little sneak peek. 75 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: Behind the curtain on how they handle pressure, how they 76 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: handle the stage and the big moment, but more importantly, 77 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: how do they handle playing someone that is at their 78 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: level or maybe even better than level, for the first 79 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: time that they've had to see someone like that this year. 80 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: To me, there's a lot that you can bake out 81 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: about that. 82 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I wait these games heavier 83 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: than most, but they have significance if you show up 84 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: in these games. 85 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: To me, I love it. 86 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: I love having opportunity to see good on good and 87 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: this is a great weekend to see good on good. 88 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus now we get to the playoffs, so you're 89 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: going to get for some of these teams two or 90 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: three more quality opponent games to break down. So yeah, 91 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: it's going to be fun. I do think one of 92 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: the unintended consequences is going to be I think you're 93 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: going to see you know, and I hope this isn't 94 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: the case, but it stands to reason we're going to 95 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: see some limited All Star Game participation with teams that 96 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 2: are in the playoff. That's just it's too long of 97 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: a run, man. They need a break. And you're probably 98 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 2: even going to see it at drift into the combine 99 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: a little bit where you see some people to say, look, 100 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: I'm just beating down from a seventeen game season here 101 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: seventeen games whatever they're playing, And I. 102 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: Think we're on the verge of seeing some of that 103 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: participation wane a little bit with the combine anyway, But 104 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: for All Star Games, here's what will happen though, some 105 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: of those guys that have these extended runs, it'll create 106 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: opportunities for other guys to get elevated and they will 107 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: have a chance to play up. 108 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: And we'll get a chance to evaluate those guys, and 109 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: so our. 110 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: Evaluations may be more comprehensive for the entire draft class 111 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: because we get to see some guys on a bigger stage. 112 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: The one thing that we will talk about it I 113 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: know we'll have Jim Nagi on soon when we talk 114 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: about the reveal for the Senior Bowl. Than those things, 115 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: hopefully we can get more full participation at these All 116 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: Star games, meaning when you go and show up, you 117 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: not only need to do practices, but can we get 118 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: you to play in the game too, Like, can we 119 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: get you to fully participate in the entire week instead 120 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: of having guys who are swapped in on Friday playing 121 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: these games. So hopefully we'll get all that taken care of, 122 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: because it'd be nice to see these guys play. Even 123 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: though the game is a little warded down than what 124 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: a real game would be, you still want to see 125 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: them compete and compete in the front. 126 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's a great opportunity. It's a great 127 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: opportunity for them during that week to be able to 128 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: be around and interact with all the different teams as well. 129 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: So hopefully we do get, if not some of these guys, 130 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: some opportunities for other players to jump in that mix 131 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: and take advantage of that opportunity. Buck, let's take a 132 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: let's take a quick time out and we come back, 133 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: I want to hit you on a couple of teams 134 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: Bill's vikings. These are teams that, if you look at 135 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: where they're situated right now, having phenomenal seasons. I feel 136 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: like we've talked about a lot of those other teams 137 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: up there in that top five, top six in the 138 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: NFL right now, but I feel like these two, in 139 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: terms of the roster build, we haven't given them much attention. 140 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: So I want to do that right after this. 141 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: Let's start with the Buffalo. 142 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: Bills, Buck, and it's you know, much has been made 143 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: about the exodus of some players, but I want to 144 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: spend some time on your buddy and my buddy being 145 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: in what he's done of building up this roster here, 146 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: because if you go back and look at some drafts, 147 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: I want to use this as a starting point here. 148 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: Let's go back to twenty twenty. Okay, it's a COVID draft. 149 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,559 Speaker 2: That's aj Epanessa is the one, and that's their first 150 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 2: pick in that draft. So that's twenty twenty. You go 151 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: to twenty one Gregory Rousseau, so they go back to 152 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 2: back defensive picks. Spencer Brown was a third round pick 153 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: that year, so that's the foundation. We'll get to these 154 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: next three years here in a second. But I think 155 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: whenever you see a good team, you can see the 156 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 2: I don't want to say the light switch, but there's 157 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: literally like there's a line of scrimmage draft in there 158 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 2: somewhere and they sandwich them back to back. 159 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Buffalo Bills are really interesting because I feel like 160 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: they really have settled in one the coaches everything right. 161 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: We talk about tough teams needing a tough head. Coach. 162 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott has a level of toughness that you feel 163 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: from him, and you also see in his teams. If 164 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: you're going to be a line of scrimmers team, that 165 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: has to be something that is demanded. That has to 166 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: be something that you value being able to dominate the 167 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: game at the point of attack, and you also crave 168 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,559 Speaker 1: a little physicality from your opponents. When I think about 169 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean and their experiences together, they've 170 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: certainly come around to building a team to me, that 171 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: is perfect for Western New York when you think about 172 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: the area and where they play in and the conditions 173 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: that you have to deal with, win, snow, rain, all 174 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: of that. DJ you have to be able to control 175 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmags because it can't always be a 176 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: finesse game in Buffalo. 177 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: They've done that, and I'll say they've done a better job. 178 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: Of building a team that can handle the various conditions 179 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: in Buffalo. 180 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: That's why they're a tougher team. 181 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: I think, Look, they may not be as talented as 182 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: they once were, but I think they're more complete, if 183 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: that makes sense at all. 184 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think it absolutely is the case. You 185 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: try and find the weak link on this team, it's 186 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: tough to find it. They're solid all the way across 187 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: the board, and they have an elite, elite, elite quarterback, 188 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: so all those things kind of work together. I want 189 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: to go through a couple of these more recent drafts here, 190 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: so those were twenty and twenty one. You get to 191 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: twenty two. Kyri Elam they go early. James Cook obviously 192 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: has been a really good player for them. Khalil Shakir 193 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: has been a real emerging talent for them. Christian Benford 194 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: that's twenty two to twenty three. Dalkin Kaid, who when 195 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: he's been out there and healthy, has been good. They 196 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: go Cyrus Torrance, Dorian Williams right after that, and then 197 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 2: this last year Kean Coleman. You know Ray Davis, who 198 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: we've seen get in the mix here and do some 199 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: good things. Just a couple of the pieces that they have, 200 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 2: they're cold Bishop in the next round going to be 201 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: a really, really good player. So it's interesting to see. 202 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: I always just try and find that that draft or 203 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: that those two drafts where they kind of fortify the 204 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: trenches and then you can build out from there. 205 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: You can't build out from there. 206 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: The other thing, dj they fit who they are from 207 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: a cultural standpoint. They made a concerted effort to make 208 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: sure that all the guys fit well like puzzle pieces. 209 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: Not saying that some of. 210 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: The guys that are no longer there were outcasts, but 211 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: they wanted to make sure that everyone is kind of 212 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: on the same page when it comes to the way 213 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: the team operates. The team made, the team wants to 214 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: go forward, and Josh Allen is the alpha. Josh Allen 215 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: is the franchise quarterback and as he's kind of evolved 216 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: into being not only the quintessential QB one, but the leader, 217 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: the question leader of the team. I think the guys 218 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: in the locker room compliment who he is in his personality, 219 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: and it's not often talked about, but all those things 220 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: certainly matter because as he goes, his team goes, and 221 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: they've done a really good job of putting the supporting 222 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: cast around him. 223 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: No doubt, he's the center of that universe and everything 224 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: kind of revolves around him. But I do think they've 225 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: done a really good job, and I don't think there's 226 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: a lot of splash in there, even like the splashy 227 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: positions like Khalil Shakir kind of a lunch fail guy. 228 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: He just kind of fits and matches, like you were saying, 229 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: the area and where they play and how they play 230 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: and who they want to be. So not a lot 231 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: of flash across the board. Just a lot of good, 232 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: solid football players, not a lot of weaknesses as you 233 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 2: go through that roster. It's been impressive how they've done it. 234 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: How about the Minnesota Vikings, buck, Let's get over to them, man, 235 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: Let's go back to their last few drafts. Let's start 236 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty with them as well. Justin Jefferson, I 237 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: think we could say that was definitely a home run 238 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: we're able to accomplish there. He's their first pick in 239 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: twenty you go to twenty one Christian darrisaw who, by 240 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: the way, don't forget he's out man. If he doesn't 241 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: get hurt, I think I might be even more bullish 242 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: on this ten and two team and what they could accomplish. 243 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: But absolutely a stud here. So you go through those 244 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: kind of like their top picks. Let's go through the 245 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: next couple of years, so you get ed Ingram twenty 246 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: two SOMEOA, so like that twenty two draft. Ti Chandler 247 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: has been a piece for him one not as you 248 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: know lewis Sen though, so they haven't had as big 249 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: of an impact from that group. But then they come 250 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: back in twenty three. Jordan Addison obviously the top of 251 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: that list and the impact he's made, and then this year, 252 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: you know, interesting with what they've been able to accomplish. 253 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: JJ we won't see him yet. Dallas Turner showed promise, 254 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: so we're excited to see what he's going to be 255 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: going forward. But they kind of started with the you 256 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: kind of look at Justin Jefferson as the difference maker 257 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: that kind of started their climb. 258 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've done it differently, right, so they're able to 259 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: get difference makers and they made sure that they are 260 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: loaded on offense. They are a quarterback friendly team, and 261 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: the roster is constructed to elevate the quarterback. Because remember 262 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: at the time when they bring in just and Jefferson whatever, 263 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: they have Kirk Cousins, and so the draft was about 264 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: how can we elevate the quarterback And however you categorize 265 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and is he a high end treiller or 266 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: low intruck whatever that was. They wanted to make sure 267 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: that they had people around him that could elevate his game. 268 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: And what that has done, it has allowed them to 269 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: also play with a guy like I Sam Donald who 270 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: is a reclamation project but still have success. 271 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: It's interesting. It's an interesting team build model. 272 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: But I'll say this, I feel like the Vikings are 273 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: slept on. They don't get enough conversation about their super 274 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: Bowl potential. And maybe it's because of the way that 275 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: they play, or maybe because people don't believe fully in 276 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:37,599 Speaker 1: the quarterback. 277 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 3: But when I. 278 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: Look at this team play and I look at how 279 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: they've been stacking wins, to me, they have title contender 280 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: written all over them. 281 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: And when you think about. 282 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: The coaching combination Kevin O'Connell Brian Floores with the roster 283 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: that they have, it's hard to find a big weakness 284 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: in the Minnesota Vikings. 285 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: Interesting because we're obviously going to focus heavy on draft 286 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: with our background, what we love. They only have three 287 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: defensive starters that were original draft picks as we stand 288 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: right now. The rest of them are all trades, are 289 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: free agents. Jonathan Bullard came from Atlanta, Harrison Phillips from Buffalo, 290 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: Jerry Tillery from Vegas. Greenard was a big signing for 291 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: them out of the Texans. Blake Cashman, same grewgier Hill, 292 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: He's from Carolina, Ban Ginkle Miami has been awesome. Byron 293 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: Murphy from Arizona, Gilmour from Dallas. I mean, darn, it's 294 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: eight of their eleven right there. That are you know, 295 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: the guys that they you know, found outside of the draft. 296 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so if you think about outside of the draft, 297 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: like older players, maybe you need an older player, a 298 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: smarter player to be able to deal with what Brian 299 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: Floyd's wants to deal with wants to do on defense. 300 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: If we talk about this is when I look at them, 301 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: I call them a high IQ defense because they do 302 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: so much. It's hard to play someone who's not a 303 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: quick process, or doesn't have the experience to be able 304 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: to make changes on the fly. Maybe they have a 305 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: clear understanding of how they want to play. Our young 306 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: guys can go on offense. We need older guys on defense, 307 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: or we need older guys right now on defense until 308 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: we can develop the back half of our roster with 309 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: defensive guys that can understand and grow within the system. 310 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: Now I have and pace and not counted in there 311 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: as a draft pick who has been phenomenal, but he's 312 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: hurt right now, so you put him off to the side. 313 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: But it is a home run draft pick for them, 314 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: But it is there's more than one way to do it, 315 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: is what I'm getting at, and they've done it with 316 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: a lot of veteran players who have Again, I think 317 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: there's two sides of the teaching thing from a coach. 318 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: There's guys that can bring in young players and get 319 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: them better, and then there's also guys who are able 320 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: to find a little bit of that fountain of youth 321 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: for some of the older players who have the ability 322 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: to mask maybe some of their deficiencies that show with 323 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: age and maybe promote and feature the things they can 324 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: still do really well. I think that's part of the 325 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: teaching process as well. 326 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean it is a big part of 327 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: the teaching says. 328 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: We talk about matching, mentoring, all of those things like 329 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: setting those examples in place, and good teams do do that. 330 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: When you think about like your good college teams, they 331 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: kind of have that succession plan in place. They have 332 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: those things, those guys that you can pattern your game 333 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: after a model how this should look, and you continue 334 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: to pass the tradition. Now, maybe this is a pro 335 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: way of being able to do it where you're stockpiling 336 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: and backstopping old with young and be able to grow 337 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: and eventually hand a paton down to guys that are 338 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: better ready for it in a year or two. 339 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: No doubt, I do want to go behind the curtain 340 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: before we wrap it up here. This is the time 341 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: of year as we sit here, first week in December. 342 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: The teams I was with Buck this was always our 343 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: initial meeting, our first draft meeting of the year. So 344 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: this was that the same for the teams you were with. 345 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the week. 346 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: This is the week everyone will fly in to the 347 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, flying to the facility. They'll put you up. 348 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: You have meetings over the course the latter part of 349 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: the week leading to a weekend. You would go to 350 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: the game and then everyone flies out on Monday, So 351 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: it gives you an opportunity to go through those backboard 352 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: meetings while also seeing your team to give you a 353 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: point of reference in terms of what's playing in the league. 354 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: Might have the holiday party around that time, so it 355 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: kind of brings you back to the organization, so you 356 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: don't feel like you're the lone woolf for ye, this 357 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: is the time. 358 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 359 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: Usually, you know, most organizations will fly out your girlfriend, 360 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: your wife, whatever to come out with you, and then 361 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: you'll you'll be there. We would do the we went 362 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: and do group meetings. We would do one on one, 363 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: so you know, you knew you had your time, so 364 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, throughout the three day weekend, it was like, okay, 365 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: I knew at ten twenty was my day to go 366 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: in there. So you'd sit in there with your college director, 367 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 2: maybe you're over the top guys, you know, maybe your 368 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: personnel director. So you'd sit in there and what they 369 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: want to do is say, okay, just give it your 370 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: top thirty players from your area that you saw this year, 371 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: and we would go through each one and like you know, hey, 372 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: these are the alerts, like there's some character stuff we 373 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: need to dig as we get to these all star games. 374 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: So then they would make a note, Okay, we need 375 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: to do more homework in this area. You know, this 376 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: guy had an injury. Didn't really get the full story 377 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: on it, but like we need to find out more 378 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 2: about what was wrong there, you know, whatever, you know, 379 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: any kind of concern you might have that would get highlighted. 380 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 2: There any other holes that you needed to get filled in, 381 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: you would mention that, but you'd go through those thirty 382 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: so then it was by your grade. So then that 383 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: would be the first time coming out of these meetings 384 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: where a draft board would be together. Now there'll be 385 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 2: a lot of names that are side by side. So 386 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 2: in other words, like our scout in the southeast had 387 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: these three six four corners that he gave six fours to. 388 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 2: Our scout in the west had one six four corner. 389 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: So we have kind of these, as we like to say, 390 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: these little clusters. So you're starting to create these little clusters. 391 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: This is the very beginning part of that process, and 392 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 2: that's how those whole things get started. 393 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: It's so fascinating to me to hear you talk about 394 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: doing one on one meetings when I've never participated in 395 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: a meeting setup that was like that. It was always 396 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: group discussions. Everyone was in the room. You would read 397 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: your report, and it might doing this time. It might 398 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: just be background reports. So you're reading the background, you're 399 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: reading the character, you're doing those things. You're flagging and 400 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: making notes on the guys that we got to make 401 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: sure that we talk to at all Star games, talk 402 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: to at the combine. We need to make sure that 403 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: we have things ready for them. Some teams would opt 404 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: for a little discussion about a little discussion about playing time, performance, 405 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: how they project tentatively, talk about the board and those things. 406 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: But a lot of times for me, we wouldn't have 407 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: those scustings into the meeting right before the combine because 408 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: right before the combine big again, that's the big one. 409 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: But this is a little tasty cake. Who do we 410 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: need to see? Where do we need to get to 411 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: bowl games? Because you remember back then wed still go 412 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: to bowl games to see guys. So it's an opportunity 413 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: to kind of get the assignments of a who are 414 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: the guys that we need to get eyeballs on because 415 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: maybe we didn't see enough of them early in the fall. 416 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 2: So the reason why we would do the one on 417 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 2: ones is we would not get the grades. We were 418 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: not to discuss whatever grades we had on players. So 419 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: then I would get cross checks. And so some of 420 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: it would be, hey, like we're going to go to 421 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: these three bowl games, you know, so throughout there's a 422 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: couple by where you live, and then maybe one you 423 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: might have to get out to. But these three bowl games, 424 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: that's six teams. So all this, all the prospects on 425 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 2: those six teams, you're going to cross check those and 426 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: then maybe another other couple guys that they want you 427 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: to do. Well, I don't. I didn't sit in the room. 428 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: I don't want to hear what the report is from 429 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 2: somebody else. Or what is great is that I want 430 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 2: to be independent. I want to be able to come 431 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: up with my own opinion. So you would do that, 432 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: and then then that was the first round of, you know, 433 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: cross checks. The next round of cross checks was positional, 434 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: so I always had quarterbacks, you know, some every scout 435 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: has a position that they would always be assigned. And 436 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 2: then that was kind of the next wave of it. 437 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 2: But the first get together meeting where we would actually 438 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: read our summaries and go over the grades on the players. 439 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 2: Was that one right before the combine? 440 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: Okay, So in speaking of that, like I've told you 441 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 1: about this arduous process that we went through first when 442 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: I was in Seattle, where we would show up maybe 443 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: three weeks before the combine and DJ from seven guys 444 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: seven am to seven pm. 445 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 3: We're watching tape NonStop. And the way that we did 446 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 3: it was different than most teams. 447 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: So you and I are area scouts. We have everybody, 448 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: all the grades come in and so let's just say 449 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: we started the offensive tackles and on the board all 450 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: degradable guys that had a draftable grade at offensive tackle 451 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: are listed in alphabetical order. And grab a coffee, get comfortable, 452 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: Get comfortable. 453 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: Turn off the light. We're gonna watch tape and DJ. 454 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: As a group, we're gonna watch I wouldn't say three 455 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: full games, but we're gonna watch parts of three games 456 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: on every player. Now, the hard part of that is, man, 457 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: that's a lot of work. That's a lot of grind. 458 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: I would say. The benefit and that is a scout. 459 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: I got a chance to see what's playing in the Southeast. 460 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: Even though I've been on the West, I now get 461 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: a chance to see what a first round tackle looks 462 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: like the SEC. So what it does is it trains 463 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: my eyes to have a better appreciation for what the 464 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: standards should be. And so when I look at my 465 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 1: guy at Boise, how do I think he compares to 466 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: what I could see in the Southeast at Alabama. Uh, 467 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: he's really good out here. But maybe I won't give 468 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: him that first round gate. Maybe I give him up 469 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: second round grade to get him in the discussion and 470 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: then we can talk about that. So it was us 471 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,239 Speaker 1: working through that process on film, but early we were 472 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: talking about all the character stuff in those things. 473 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 3: In December, So. 474 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: Back to the group tape thing, would you guys discuss 475 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: would that be open? Open mic during the tape? 476 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 3: One hundred percent open mic. But now here's what I 477 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: would say, you're grade? 478 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: Does that not lead to group think? 479 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: Though it can if you're not strong, if you're not convicted, 480 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: it can. You can't have that that that uneasy position. 481 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: If you've given a grade, no one knows what you're 482 00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: great is? 483 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so great as a been revealed, But imagine, God, 484 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: who is the linebacker? There was a linebacker that played 485 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: at Resno. It was my first year scout. It may 486 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: have been like Orlando Huff or something, and like my 487 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: first year. You know, did you go back those first 488 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: years when you slap a water great? And then I 489 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: remember watching the tape of being like, oh, oh this 490 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: is not. 491 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not I thought he was. Come on, man, 492 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 3: make a play. You know. 493 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: I've been known to love up a cal Poly player 494 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: two early on. 495 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: Early on, but uh, the group think wouldn'tess or do. 496 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: I think it would just have healthy discussions. And then 497 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: my thing would be if it's a player that you're 498 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: really big on and you feel like everyone isn't as high, 499 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: to be like, hey, let's look at this tape. Here's 500 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: what I saw. This is why I'm so big. Let's 501 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: compare and contrast to whatever. There is some danger in 502 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: group think, but I just love the exposure to being 503 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: able to see outside. So in lieu of cross checking, 504 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 1: that's what we did. So I never had to travel 505 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: outside my area. I could stay in my area the 506 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: entire fall, but I had an opportunity to see everybody 507 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: and I would make notes, and I feel like it 508 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: eventually made me a better scout overall because I had 509 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: a chance to kind of see what else is out 510 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: there in different parts of the country. 511 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: And it's a lot more efficient now. Back in the 512 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: day we had beta tapes, there was no breaking it 513 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: up by playtime. You know. Now, if you're going to 514 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: do a pass rusher who in a game where the 515 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: defense had eighty four snaps, he might have played fifty snaps, Well, 516 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: you just saved yourself time having to watch thirty four 517 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: you know, having to zip through thirty four snaps figuring 518 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: out where the heck he is on the field when 519 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 2: he's not out there. So it's a lot more efficient now. 520 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: And as with receivers, you could just hum through the 521 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: targets you can. 522 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: It's a much cleaner process all around, Like DJ just 523 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: from watching tape like before, like we're dating us as 524 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: but way back when we couldn't even really watch tape 525 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: on the computer. 526 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: Back then like now, no no everything, Like you know 527 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 3: what I mean, you had to go and get a thing. 528 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 3: Now you have access to whatever. You can wizz through 529 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: and breeze through a bunch of different things. 530 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: And with some of the technology that you have in 531 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: terms of being able to categorize stuff. I want to 532 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: see the pass rushes I want to see this, I 533 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: want to see that. 534 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: Like it. I want to say, it's a lot easier, man. Process. 535 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 2: Do you remember you had your beta deck and your 536 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: hotel room at the meetings, and so you'd go, like 537 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: the night before you'd be like, all and I know 538 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 2: I've got Then we go talking about them all let 539 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 2: me go rewatch And each for those of the beta tape, 540 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: each half was its own tape on one side of 541 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: the ball. So if I'm going to watch the if 542 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: I want to watch you know, Alabama Auburn, I've got 543 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,239 Speaker 2: gen tapes for that. And I got man, you got 544 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: a box. You had a big old box full with 545 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 2: all your tapes. 546 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: So not only that, but with the Carolina Panthers, we 547 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: had to wall so there was a catalog. 548 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 3: We had to go okay seven sixty one, Okay, that's on. 549 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, we had the same thing. The coaches would just 550 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: throw them in the bend. They would never put them back, 551 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: for they belong in there. Like going to the live 552 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: where trying to find a tape a night. 553 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 3: See you going in and do all the other stuff. Yeah, DJ, 554 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: that was a man, those are the good old days. Yeah, 555 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: we're old. 556 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: That's all we're saying this world all right. I hope 557 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: everybody has a wonderful weekend. This has been fun. We 558 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: love hanging with you guys here. We'll see you on 559 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: Monday to recap a fun weekend of championship college football 560 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: as well as a big NFL weekend. We'll see you 561 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: right here on Move the sticks.