WEBVTT - The Smiley, Stubborn Llama 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:07.760 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.040 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.479 Chuck and Ben's here too, sitting in for Jerry, the 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:23.040 illustrious Ben, who's doing his thing really well. That makes 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:23.959 the stuff you should know. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.440 Hey just said the listeners know. I finally met Ben 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.879 in person. Oh yeah, was there a hand offs, Georgia? 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.120 Oh yeah, no, there wasn't a handoff. But I went 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:41.000 to that Rim tribute show in Athens and Ben lives 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:41.519 in Athens. 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.080 Yeah, so tell me about that show. Didn't like Michael 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.840 Shannon Reunite Rim somehow. 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.600 Well, Michael Shannon and Jason Narducci got together a band 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:56.320 to play some Rim tribute shows, basically playing all of 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.760 Murmur and Chronic Town and then like another fifteen early 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.720 Deepish cuts Oka and in Athens as happens at the 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.000 forty watt and Athens. When there's Rim things like that, 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.840 the boys tend to come out. And that night all 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.200 of them came out, wow, and shared a stage for 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.800 the first time, and like you know, they said seventeen years, 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.399 but it feels like more than that. But yeah, it 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:20.760 was great. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.200 Boy, that was something, huh, because forty one is not. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:23.760 It was. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.800 It's a tiny black box for everybody who's never been there. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.600 Yeah, a couple hundred people maybe, but it was. You know, 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.520 all of them perform, like you know, Peter Buck shows 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.319 up a lot and performs. Bill Barry is starting to 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.240 come out and perform a little bit every now and then. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.920 Mike Mills, if you start singing an Ariam song in 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.199 your backyard, he'll probably pop out from behind a tree 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:47.480 and ask if you want to back up? Right, But 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.720 Stipe never performs. So when he jumped up, the place 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.240 is just vibrating and I was like, it's happening, It's happening. 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.040 But he didn't perform. He just was very sweet and 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.720 said thank you, and they all kind of congregated for 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.200 a minute and that was it. 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.760 Oh but he didn't perform. That's crazy. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.200 No, he didn't sing. I think everyone was just like, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:14.040 it's finally gonna happen. He said, nope, no, but I 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.760 get it. But it was a great night and met 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:17.240 old Ben. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.160 That's awesome, man, that's a heck of a story. Yeah, 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.880 and it's a great way to kick off our Lama episode. Frankly, 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:24.560 if you ask me. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.840 And I agree, I think, and you know what, I 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.679 will agree because when I was very very briefly in 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.880 abandoned college, I don't know who had it, but someone 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.880 in the band knew a friend with a lama farm. Wow, 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:40.959 who knew that was coming? So when we would go 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.120 out to play in this big barn, we would drive 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:43.960 through the lamas. 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.919 That makes sense because somebody out in Georgia having a 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.840 lama farm is so nineties. That is such a nineties 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:50.400 thing to do. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:52.440 You know, totally yeah. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.399 And it's funny because there was an attempt to introduce 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.359 lamas to the United States well before the nineties and 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.040 even the eighties when they kind of became a thing 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:04.760 for the first time in the US. All the way 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.560 back in nineteen fourteen, the mayor of Buenos Aires tried 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.040 to give Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan the gift 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.760 of a llama, and that's when they would have entered 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:15.560 the US the first time, but it turned out that 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.200 that particular lama had foot and mouth disease, so it 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.799 wasn't allowed in well. 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:25.280 And it's also interesting because lama's they're back in forth 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.200 and thiss with North America is interesting because they originated 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.359 in North America on the Central Plains like forty million 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.680 years ago, and then about three million years ago they 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.000 dispersed to South America. They were like, we're heading south, 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.080 not for the winner, but perhaps. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.720 Forever permanent vacation like Aerosmith. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.360 Exactly that the boy music wrestler is flying all over 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.520 the place. And at the end of the last Ice Age, 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.240 the Camelids, which we'll see they're part of the Kamelid family, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:59.040 they went extinct in North America even though that's where 0:03:59.040 --> 0:03:59.600 they started. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.000 Yeah, so you just kind of touched on something that 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.520 I think is maybe the fact of the podcast. Lamas 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.120 are members of the camel In family. They share a 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:15.840 common ancestor with camels themselves. Hence camels originated in North America. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.599 Just mind blowing to me. Like, take that Central Eurasian steps. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:22.880 Now, were there actual camels here? 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.640 Yeah? I believe, Yes, I looked it up and I 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.480 can't remember exactly, so I'm sure I'm getting it dead wrong. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:36.000 But I believe camels themselves did evolve here in North 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:40.520 America and crossed over into Eurasia through the Bearing Land Strait. 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:45.760 Same with horses. Wow, yeah, I know, so USA, right. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.520 But also Mexico and Canada. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:54.280 Yeah, sure, we were USA back then, right, exactly. They 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:58.760 were domesticated. They're actually one of the oldest domesticated animals 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.640 in history, the history of animals. They're in the Andean 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.680 Highlands of Peru between four and five thousand years ago 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.239 they were domesticated, and then back in the United States 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.920 they were redomesticated, and that's obviously the only way they 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.039 exist in the US now. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.760 Yeah, So it was a little confusing to me, and 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.960 I went and hashed out. Lamas have never existed in 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:26.640 the wild. Llama like animals and species that are related 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:32.200 to lamas, like the guanacos. Guanacos, they're wild and if 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.680 you look up a guanaco, it looks like a wild lama. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.800 But lamas were domesticated from the outset. They were bred 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.800 from guanacos, so they never existed in the wild and 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:45.200 they still don't, which I find fascinating. They were bread 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:50.000 out of whole cloth. Is as a domesticated animal. It 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.080 was never not domesticated. Isn't they cool? 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.400 Yeah, it's super cool. And they're specifically bred because they're 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:56.640 a beast of burden. 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.240 You know, like the rolling Stones. 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.040 Yeah, man, another music graft. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:02.839 I'm gonna keep them coming, okay. 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.880 You totally should, okay, and we'll talk about their you know, 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:10.360 their beast of burdenness and how it's okay as far 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:14.799 as that goes. But they also provided meat, obviously to herdsman. 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.640 They could make candles out of their tallow their clothing, 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.080 although it's not quite like it's not as effective, I 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.880 guess as alpaca wool. They're still shorn, and we'll talk 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.479 about that as well. And you know, their hides and 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.800 things like that, they're they're poo poo. They could use 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.960 for fuel. They were a very useful animal. 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:38.000 Yeah, super useful. The only large animal domesticated in the 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.040 ancient Americas. And they definitely came in handy. They were 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.039 put to good use and they were, like we said, 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.000 they were never a wild animal. They were always bread. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.919 So humans always always had a hand in how lamas 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:55.600 were and the lamas that are around today. Again, they 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.960 were bred from guanacos. Yeah, guanacos, right, that's how you'd 0:06:58.960 --> 0:06:59.640 say that, right. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.360 It's got to be or guanaco I'm not sure. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:06.200 Right, but they are. Some people say that these are 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.640 separate guanacos and lamas are separate. Other people say, no, 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:14.880 they're both. They're both members of the subspecies Llama glama. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:20.720 They're great, right, And then collectively, lamas, guanacos, vicunas, and 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:25.239 alpacas are collectively known as lamboids, not to be confused 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:29.760 with graboids. And that they're still related to camels because 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:35.320 they're all originally camelids. There's a lot of differences between them, 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:39.400 especially with body shape or body morphology, but as we'll see, 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.679 they also share a lot of characteristics with camels. Still, 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.360 camels are from the Americas, by the. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.600 Way, totally, But they don't have that hump. 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.360 That's one. They're much smaller. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.760 Yeah, they're smaller. They're a little more slender. They do 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.720 have long legs, they got the long necks, they got 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:02.200 those cute little short waggy tails. Yes, smaller heads. If 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.000 you look at their face, they have a split upper 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:09.760 lip and big pointy ears, and they smile. I feel 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:14.160 like we do. Maybe we're, you know, have a predisposition 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.880 to highlight animals who smile at us. 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.720 Sure, I feel like we've done that a lot that Really, 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.720 hijags are brainwiring. 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.080 Oh totally, But you look up Lama smile and you're 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:25.480 going to see some pretty cute stuff. 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:29.880 Yes, they also have a panoramic vision because their eyes 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.040 are on the sides of their head, so they can 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.880 see predators from coming a mile away. And what's something 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.360 interesting about lamas that I didn't know about is they 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:42.240 are naturally aggressive toward predators. They don't shy away. If 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.280 they see like a fox or a coyote or something, 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.640 they go after it and they chase it off, which 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.080 is pretty cool. As we'll see, it's very useful. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:54.480 Yeah, nice defense, although I took that their main defense 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.480 is like to charge it something like that. But it's 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.880 sort of a lot of bluster because they don't have 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:01.840 a lot of defense. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.480 No, it is bluster. But they also have a lot 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:08.360 of size on like any coyote or any flock. Certainly, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.959 I didn't realize how big they can get. They a 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.360 llama gets about four feet at the shoulder, pretty tall. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.160 It's one point two meters and males can weigh between 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.800 three hundred and four hundred pounds, which is one hundred 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.320 and thirty five tow one hundred and eighty kilograms. That's 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.320 a hefty, husky little boy there. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.000 Yeah, females can weigh between two thirty and three point fifty. 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.520 And I saw a video of a guy who's llama 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.960 busted out on his farm and went after the dog, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.360 and it was funny. He wasn't harming the dog, but 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.760 he was chasing this dog. And they're pretty fast. They're 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.280 way faster than I thought. They can hit a max 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:50.480 speed of forty miles an hour. That's insane, which is 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.520 just yeah. I mean, I've seen them run, but I 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:54.920 didn't think it was that fast. It's kind of like 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.160 when a camel runs. I think it's a little deceiving 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.079 how fast they are because of their big lopie long 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.720 legs right right, It doesn't have that intensity of a 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.640 horse gallop, right, but it helps them run at a 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.040 predator or most importantly, run away from a predator. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.079 I mean, forty miles an hour is really really fast. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.640 That's like road runner fast. Yeah, but imagine the road 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.920 runner with a furry coat and a big old smile 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.560 while he's running forty miles an hour. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:22.720 What's going on with those feet too? 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.000 So I say we talk about the feet and use 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:26.800 it as a cliffhanger to take a break, and then 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:28.839 come back and talk about how those feet come in handy. 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:29.400 How about that? 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:30.600 Wowie wow. 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.280 So remember I said that they share a lot in 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.160 common still with camels, both of them, neither one of 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.600 them are hooved animals. Camels have two toasts, and so 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.560 do lamas. Camels have toenails in the front, but they 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.559 don't use those for walking on the bottom of the 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:52.360 feet of Llamas and camels are soft pads, leathery and 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.400 soft that are not hoofs, which means that when they're 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.920 walking on like rocks and mountains and stuff like that, 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.640 they can actually kind of grip those rocks with their feet. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.880 And they're split two toes, which makes them very surefooted, 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.960 which again made them very useful in the andies, which 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.400 again leads us to a message. 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:41.439 Break all right, we'll be right back, so Chuck. 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.440 I think we kind of started to set it up 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.360 pretty nicely. Lamas are surefooted, to. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.080 Say the least, that's right, one of the benefits of 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:54.880 being unhooved or maybe even anti hoof I've never talked 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:55.360 to Alama. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.400 They may got no problem with hoofed and they're fine 0:11:58.400 --> 0:11:58.840 with them. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.440 All right, So they're not but that that, like you said, 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.520 that makes them very surefooted. But it Also, it doesn't 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.880 tear up the side of a mountain like a hoof 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.520 did does because they got a little give there. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.320 Yeah, so if you want to walk around and not 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:17.280 accidentally start off a rock slide, bring a lama instead 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:18.120 of like a cow. 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.000 That's a good point I mentioned. We would talk about 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.960 their whether or not they were good beasts of burden. 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:29.439 They're okay. A llama that's about two point fifty can 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.120 carry a load that's one hundred to one hundred and 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.960 thirty five pounds, maybe fifteen miles, maybe twenty miles in 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.760 a day. That's not bad at all. It's no ox 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.920 or horse. But if you've got a lightish load and 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.120 you're going, you know, not the furthest distance, then you 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.800 can do a lot worse than a lama. 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.800 It's true. They couldn't pull, they couldn't carry human, They 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.560 couldn't pull a machine. And I saw it. It spelled 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.640 out that even if the Inca who really put the 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:04.200 lama to good use had discovered the wheel, the lama 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.200 still wouldn't have been able to be attached to anything 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.320 bigger than probably like a wheelbarrow sized type thing. They 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.160 just don't have that strength. But they are good pack animals, 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.040 and that they can carry a lot of weight, just 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.520 not like human weight. So if you have a ton 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:24.000 of stuff, say you're mining silver pre Columbian contact, you 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.719 got a silver mine set up of Potosi, you need 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.319 a lot of lamas. And apparently there was a Spanish 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:35.959 observer didn't catch their name, who visited Potosi, which is 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.400 a really important silver mine and what's now Bolivia, and 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.520 found that the Inca were employing what they guessed to 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.440 be about three hundred thousand lamas. Yeah, transporting the silver 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.000 ore from the mind to be refined. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.360 Yeah, I mean that's a lot of lamas. And again, 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.840 if each one of those can carry over one hundred pounds, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.640 then they're moving some silver for sure. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.480 Sure, and it probably goes without saying, but you could 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.280 also delight your child as long as your child's under 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.680 one hundred pounds and let them ride the lama too. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:10.080 They could have done that. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.439 Sure, I'm sure there was an Incan birthday party at 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.000 some point where a kid rode a lama. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:16.520 That's right. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.200 They're also you know, as far as being up there 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.360 in the high dryness, they have a very high thirst tolerance, 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.440 which is super handy. Obviously, has a lot to do 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.400 with their camel camelness. They have a lot of endurance. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.560 They can eat a lot of different kinds of shrubbery, 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.920 which is great, and their blood has a really unusually 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.080 high amount of hemoglobin, and as we all know, that 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.680 protein is going to carry oxygen from the lungs throughout 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.720 your body. So that's an animal that's basically built to 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:53.080 survive a high elevation where it's dry and where there's 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.280 lots of you know, sort of dry grasses and shrubs 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:55.640 to eat. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:15:00.880 So as animals themselves, like you know, without the human 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.000 touch of being used as pack animals. Just if you 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.880 have some lamas hanging out with one another, I can't 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:11.280 believe how I just put that. They are gregarious, which 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:16.320 means they need social like social groups. Like you don't 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.440 really want to have just a single lama, or I 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.520 even saw it, just a couple of lamas. You want 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.720 to have a handful because they have specific ways of living. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:28.000 And typically a lama family group will have a single 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:33.000 male and a handful of females and then whatever offspring 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.960 were born from those by those females that year. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.120 Yeah, exactly, And you'll see why in a minute. If 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:42.840 you are the head of a family. If you're the 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.120 male leading that group, you're going to be pretty territorial. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.880 You're going to defend your family. If a competing male 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.680 comes in there that doesn't have a family, that's like, hey, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.920 I might like to take yours, they will be pretty 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.080 aggressive toward that, even though they're not super aggressive animals. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.720 Drive them out of there and say go back to 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:04.280 your bachelor pad. And by bachelor pad, we mean the 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.840 group of males that don't have families, that all just 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:09.960 seemingly hang out together and play cards. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:16.320 Yeah, there's another thing too that is really just loving 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:21.040 about lamas. They actually will adopt and protect other species 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:21.960 of animals. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:22.440 Uh huh. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.320 Remember how I said they're naturally aggressive toward predators. They'll 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.840 actually defend other kinds of animals that they consider part 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:33.880 of their group on say, like a farmer ranch from predators. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.520 Yeah. I saw that they would adopt sheep, and I wonder, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.480 I mean, they'll probably do this with all the animals, 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.600 but I wonder if it's because the sheep, you know, 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.280 in the face at least, and there are some similarities there. 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:45.800 I think that or. 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.840 The llamas are familiar with the whole ba ram you 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.840 message that allows you either the sheep family. 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:57.600 Or maybe it was particularly you know, interested male lama 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.520 who saw that sheep and was like, hey, shawty, you 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:02.560 want to join our family. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.399 Yeah, for some reason, I'm disturbed by that. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:12.879 You probably should be. They communicate with each other mainly 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:17.040 through a body language. Their posture can kind of tell 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.320 you a lot. Their ears apparently are going to indicate 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.200 their mood. They don't make a lot of noise. Lamas 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.919 are pretty quiet if you have a lama farm, but 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:29.200 they will like vocalize if their predators around. And little 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:33.120 mummies and babies can hum at one another like back 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:34.840 and forth, kind of sing to each other. And it's 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:35.439 very sweet. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.040 Did you watch that YouTube I sent you? 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:38.919 Oh, you know I did, so. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.679 There's a YouTube. I can't remember the exact name, but 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.760 just look up llama hum I think it'll come up. 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.119 But there's a baby lama drinking from a bottle and 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.720 the mom's standing by watching and the baby's just humming 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:54.639 while it's drinking. The mom hums back a little bit. 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:56.280 It's really really sweet. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.760 It's pretty great, and they are gentle for the most part, 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.399 but they are a little bit stubborn. Too, because if 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.520 you put too much weight on them, if you're not 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.800 treating them right, then they're they're just like, I'm just 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.199 gonna have a sit in. Basically, they won't budge, they 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.000 won't move, they will spit at you, they might hiss 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.800 or kick at you. Yeah, and they're just like no, no, no, no, 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.240 that's not lamas. Don't play that game, homie. 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.720 All that behavior is shared in common with camels too. 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.440 Camels are yeah, for sure. Also, one other thing about 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.240 the vocalizations when they when you said when they warn 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.159 of predators. I look that up too, and it sounds 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.040 like a fork being scraped across a metal plate. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.280 Yeah, it's pretty aggressively annoying. 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.040 Yeah, that's what it is. It doesn't scare them off, 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.000 it just annoys them away. 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:43.760 They are like fine, geez. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.240 So we said that the family groups consist of the 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:52.359 offspring that were born that year. That's because the young, 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.040 the little babies get to hang out with the moms 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.960 who are very attentive of them for that first year, 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.520 and then after that the dominant male chases the baby 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:07.200 off after its first birthday. For a couple of reasons. 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.000 It makes sense. So number one, if it's a boy, 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.679 it doesn't want to have to have to fight over 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.760 the females with the boy. But if it's a girl, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.159 it doesn't want to have a girl around that it 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:24.440 might mate with and kind of taper the gene pool 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.600 a little bit. So it makes sense biologically and genetically 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.240 for the dominant male just chase off female and male young. 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.320 Yeah, totally. They have a gestation period about eleven months. 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.520 They only have one little baby at a time, and 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.159 the male has you know, those multi they have a 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.920 little hairm around them. Because they're polygynous, they will mate 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.320 with all the females in their family that will accept 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:53.760 that and they release. It's an induced ovulation, so once 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.520 they they do that thing, they're going to release an 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.239 egg within about a day or a day and a 0:19:58.240 --> 0:19:59.280 half after mating. 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:05.119 Yeah. Yeah, I'm just withholding any jokes. So did you 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.119 say that they just state for eleven months? Yeah, okay, 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.520 and their offspringer called Korea. 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:15.879 Yeah, and there they're like any smallish, long legged mammal, 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.720 a little eighteen to twenty pound lama standing for the 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.119 first time within that first hour is just something that 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.359 everyone just needs to make part of their life. 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:30.080 Yeah, for sure. And after that first hour that they stand. 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:33.040 They can expect to live about fifteen years from that 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:38.200 moment on average, as far as as far as lifespan 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:38.920 is concerned. 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:40.600 Yeah, not bad. 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.320 Speaking of a little baby Lama's being born. There's a 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.399 movie I watched recently, another a twenty four knock it 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.120 out of the park movie called Lamb Have you seen? 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.280 I haven't seen it. I think I know the one 0:20:54.720 --> 0:21:00.000 with the the what's her name rumy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:00.880 what's her last name? 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:02.760 I want to say a piece, but it's. 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.880 I think it's ra piece rap piece, that's right. I'm 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.160 not sure that's how you pronounce it. But I haven't 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:08.720 seen it. But there's almost no way to talk about 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:10.080 it without spoiling it, right. 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.680 I'm not going to, but I'm just gonna say I'm 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:14.880 going to encourage you to please see it as soon 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.800 as possible. It's so good. And I started to watch 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:22.119 it in subtitles, and then I realized they weren't talking 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:23.880 that much, and when they were talking, it was kind 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:28.320 of distracting from the visuals, which are just lovely. So 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.879 I actually watched most of the movie in Icelandic and 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.359 you can just tell from you can tell from the 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:38.520 conversations in the context generally what they're talking about. Oh, 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.280