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Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast, Dan, Greg, all the guys,

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Speaker 1: theyo from across America. Welcome to Around the NFL. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan hansis got two heroes here, Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 1: and you know who it is. It's Mark Sessler.

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Speaker 2: Hey boys, Hey, Now I also have a live studio audience.

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Speaker 2: I'm taping in the garage a La Dan and his

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Speaker 2: old place, and my son Walker is sitting on the couch.

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Speaker 2: So we got to keep the swearest to a minimum today.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well you do, Greg, he can't hear what we're saying.

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Speaker 2: It's true. That's a great point. It's a great point. Mark.

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Speaker 1: I am in Texas, and I have to tell you something.

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Speaker 1: Texas is a beautiful place. Texas features people like my

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Speaker 1: wife and her family who welcomed this yankee into their lives,

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Speaker 1: and very sweet, good people and in general a very

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Speaker 1: friendly place to visit. But I don't know how these

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Speaker 1: people do what they do, which is live here. Let

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Speaker 1: me read to you. I'm about sixty miles northwest of Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, Centralish Texas. Here's the five day

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Speaker 1: forecast and it's been like this since I got here

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Speaker 1: today Tuesday. Hi have one hundred and six degrees. What

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Speaker 1: is eric behind the virtual glass? Please find out what

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Speaker 1: that means for people that don't do fahrenheit one hundred

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Speaker 1: and two Wednesday ninety nine. Oh, it cools off on

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Speaker 1: Thursday ninety nine, Friday one hundred, Saturday one oh two,

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Speaker 1: Sunday one oh three, Monday one oh four, and then

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Speaker 1: I come home and the heat goes up from there

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Speaker 1: to one o five. So maybe I'm catching a break.

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Speaker 3: What have you been? Have you do? You spend most

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Speaker 3: of your time in this situation.

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing a bathing suit bottom right now. There's a

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Speaker 1: pool outside that I will be spending much time, and

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Speaker 1: I'm drinking an iced tea. There's air conditioning that I've

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Speaker 1: been living in. It's it's not it's not great.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't sell that bad.

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Speaker 1: Well, that part of it is nice. It could be worse,

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Speaker 1: and it is for a lot of other people. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not complaining. Oh yes, I am complaining. It's too

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Speaker 1: damn hot here.

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Speaker 2: I like a little weather pop at the start of

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Speaker 2: every show. I think we should introduce that every day

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Speaker 1: Well, Greg, you jerk, It's a little different when it's

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Speaker 1: one hundred and six degrees.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, no, I surely do listen to some

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Speaker 2: podcasts that start with like, oh it's really hot that

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Speaker 2: you know, this spring like every time, so I'm more

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Speaker 2: making for it.

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Speaker 1: All. This is extreme weather, this is this is newsworthy

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Speaker 1: weather for a podcast, I thought, But maybe it doesn't

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Speaker 1: reach your standards. And I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I was just having a little fun. No, I'll be.

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Speaker 2: I'll be in similar weather in Tokyo next week.

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Speaker 1: I's a drink. I gotta say.

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Speaker 2: It's like ninety five degrees and humid there, so let's go.

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Speaker 1: How about you, Mark? How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm fine.

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Speaker 4: I'm in you know, a section of Hollywood where it's

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Speaker 4: very temperate. I think it's probably like seventy seven degrees,

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Speaker 1: Could tell you. I could tell this would be an

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Speaker 1: issue for you if you were down here, Mark, because

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Speaker 1: you know who's not taking the trip to Texas. LEVI

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Speaker 1: and that jacket, which is remador image in so many

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Speaker 1: positive ways, simply couldn't wear it down here. And you

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Speaker 1: need to innovate once again. So maybe you're more fortunate

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Speaker 3: Well, No, I mean I I do.

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Speaker 4: I did spend that one year in Arizona, where weatherwise

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Speaker 3: So I do understand what you're going through.

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Speaker 1: So this is yes, our summer of remote shows and

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Speaker 1: and mini camps are now over? Is it over yet?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Is over?

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Speaker 1: Yes, the off season over and we hope now everyone

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Speaker 1: now and mini camp. And you know, one series, I

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Speaker 1: as a component, not just as the podcast, which we've

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Speaker 1: the last ten plus years, but also as writers on

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com making the leap hallowed, GREGI hallowed. And

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Speaker 1: today we're going to offer and this is a big deal.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think this is something that the people

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Speaker 1: We're each going to nominate three making the Leap candidates

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Speaker 2: Are you suggesting that one of us in particular is

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Speaker 3: Which of the three is on your radar, it's probably

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Speaker 3: not yourself. So which of the two.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking it very lightly for starters, but I'm referring

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Speaker 1: pressure doesn't break them. You know that what was the

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Speaker 4: Well, and also the third yeah from a flip side,

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Speaker 3: I've been dragged for those for years since.

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Speaker 4: I mean, so it's like it's important for us to hit,

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Speaker 4: you know, three home runs each, but you never know.

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Speaker 2: Like when you might be proven correct, because that four

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Speaker 4: Well, you also picked Chase Daniels. So, I mean it

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Speaker 2: He was like number thirty nine. I was having all

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Speaker 1: I think the uh, I think that and Mark, I

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Speaker 1: many articles we wrote about RG three after his reconstructive

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Speaker 4: Yeah, these athlete phrases. We just were enduring these phrases

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Speaker 1: And I still don't know what that means.

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Speaker 3: I think he does maybe or did.

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Speaker 2: That was on Wes's radar in a huge way. He

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Speaker 2: to hear Wes's thoughts on our burgeoning broadcast career. He's

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Speaker 1: Is he doing a nice job?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you feel like he's a rising he's

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Speaker 1: All Right, before we do any of that, though, let's

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Speaker 3: Snap the hell comes his first pass over the middle.

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Speaker 2: Fife Terry McLaurin, the dead fuck touchdown touchdown, Washington. Sam

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Speaker 1: Is a sixteen yard touchdown to Terry McLaurin. Hey, what

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Speaker 1: Sam hal who uh for the Washington Commanders last year

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Ron Rivera says they'll enter training camp as

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Speaker 2: But I've found that a little surprising after giving to

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Speaker 2: Kobe Brissett seven and a half million dollars guaranteed, which

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think if you're this coaching staff and

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Speaker 4: how do you want to this? If this is your

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Speaker 3: But if you hit on a rookie.

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Speaker 4: And it brings excitement and energy to that fan base

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Speaker 4: I expect kind of both of them to play. But

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Speaker 2: Well, like how he would be a good making the

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Speaker 2: it translates to forty one degrees celsius right now where

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Speaker 1: So in other news report out there, Greg, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Paul Daaner from The Athletic who's one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they can't get anyone to buy them a drink.

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Speaker 4: It's been it's been like an outstandingly horrible off season

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Speaker 1: And can we and can someone Mark? Can someone give JK.

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Speaker 4: To me, this is just like you're posturing and hoping

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Speaker 2: Right, Like he could get a good contract. He's not

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Speaker 2: I just mean eventually. Because he's a good young player.

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Speaker 2: He must have a good agent. Because people were banging

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Speaker 2: I do love me some JK. Dobbins, though he could

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Speaker 1: Wait Mark, did you say that you think Dobbins could

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Speaker 4: I could see that without any problem, and I think

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Speaker 3: I said top five in AFC, which is not unheard of,

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Speaker 2: He's on my le he'd be on my long list.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals have fifteen million dollars in cap space. By

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Dalvin Cook is out there saying how cool

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Speaker 1: No, you know what it's like a fresh wide receiver

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Speaker 1: where it's like a babbling stream is a bubbling stream.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's a gross territory to be but you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, I love the content pro football talk is

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Speaker 2: keeping fresh. But if if that doesn't scream like this

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Speaker 2: is the most ultimate late June Mike Florio article. I

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Speaker 1: That's very loyery, and I mark even though it was

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Speaker 1: it was harsh. The you made your bed, now lie

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure that I'm banging the table so

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Speaker 1: In over in the Blotterer Stupid, we talked about how

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Speaker 1: it's these guys keep on getting in trouble for gambling.

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Speaker 1: Don't go to an airport with a gun. Patriots cornerback

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Speaker 1: Jack Jones was arrested at Logan in Boston for attempting

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Speaker 1: to bring two firearms onto a plane. And that's you know,

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Speaker 1: you hear about this and it's always like huh, And

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Speaker 1: then I'm reading a little more about it. Because he

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Speaker 1: posted bail of fifty thousand, he's got an arraignment set.

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Speaker 1: It might have even happened by now, but it's coming up.

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Speaker 1: The chargers against Jones are listed as possession of a

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Speaker 1: concealed weapon, possession of ammunition without an ID card, unlawful

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Speaker 1: possession of a firearm, carrying a loaded firearm, possession of

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Speaker 1: a large capacity feeding device put us on the plane.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots are aware of the situation. Obviously. He's a

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two fourth round pick. He played twelve games

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Speaker 1: as a rookie, made two starts, and Gregie, we might

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Speaker 1: not see him for the start of the season. The

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Speaker 1: league doesn't does not. They're not cool about guns and players,

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Speaker 1: as all leagues are not.

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Speaker 2: No and John Moran lawyer made some statements today because

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Speaker 2: he had a court date as we're taping on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: and she actually thanked the Patriots for not releasing them essentially,

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Speaker 2: so I guess, I guess their plan is to keep

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Speaker 2: him that like she was blaming on social media for

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Speaker 2: portraying her client as.

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Speaker 1: A thug.

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Speaker 2: But he's someone that if he didn't play well, so

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Speaker 2: you always every every time you're playing in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: it matters a lot because I have a feeling if

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Speaker 2: Jack Jones wasn't excellent last year when he played and

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Speaker 2: he was excellent by the way. I know it was

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Speaker 2: only two starts, but he was one of the highest

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Speaker 2: ranked PFF cornerbacks for much of the season, and he looked,

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Speaker 2: you look like a future starter, a really good player.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he would still be on the roster,

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Speaker 2: but like most teams, I feel like the Patriots have

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Speaker 2: a sliding scale with this stuff and they're gonna keep

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Speaker 2: him because of that. And he has a He also

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Speaker 2: got suspended at the end of last year for supposedly

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Speaker 2: not showing up to rehab. He also was arrested when

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Speaker 2: he was at usc for breaking into a restaurant. Bounced

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Speaker 2: around because of academic issues, so that's why he fell

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Speaker 2: to the fourth round in general. And so it's I

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Speaker 2: guess if a Patriots player was gonna get in trouble

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Speaker 2: with the lots not shocking, it's Jack Jones. And I

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Speaker 2: think they're keeping him because as he looks darn good.

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Speaker 4: Well you can connect those dots. There are some dots

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Speaker 4: to connect there. But I I I'm just I'm mystified

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Speaker 4: to some degree that anyone over a certain age, it's

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Speaker 4: not been drummed into our heads that you don't bring

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Speaker 4: automatic firearms and like a bounty of weapons to an airport.

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Speaker 4: It just it's not something that works out. You may

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Speaker 4: you miss, you're gonna miss your flight. But beyond that,

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Speaker 4: there are much more concerning pressing issues.

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Speaker 2: They do have signs now, they do have signs about

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Speaker 2: the firearms in every airport, you know, right as you're

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Speaker 2: going through. And I noticed that, Lax. They now have

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Speaker 2: signs about the weed too, you know, whis that that's

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Speaker 2: a new one. That's like, don't bring your weed in,

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Speaker 2: we'll kick you off the flight. And it's very specific. LIX.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know some people not following that role.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: Finally, in the news Welcome Back Supplemental Draft, the NFL

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Speaker 1: informed its clubs that the Supplemental Draft will return and

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Speaker 1: take place on July eleventh. NFL Network inside or Ian

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Speaker 1: Rappaport reported on Friday. This is the first year supplemental

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Speaker 1: Draft is taken play since two thousand nineteen. That year,

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Speaker 1: perdue wide receiver shout it out if you know it.

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Speaker 3: Milton Wright.

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Speaker 1: Milton Wright, he was reading off a laptop. That doesn't count.

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Speaker 1: Has been confirmed to study the story, but as eligible

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Speaker 1: as of now. The original supplemental Draft was held in

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Speaker 1: seventy seven to serve prospects who were not eligible for

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Speaker 1: the annual spring draft for various reasons. I don't care

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Speaker 1: really about it, but I will say this, if this

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Speaker 1: brings back the Henry Hotgson aared supplemental mock draft to

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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com, that makes it a success no matter

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Speaker 1: who is taken or not taken.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the only reason I wanted to just mention.

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Speaker 2: Sources close to the situation says nfl uk Hank is

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Speaker 2: aware of this, He's monitoring this situation. He's starting to

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Speaker 2: do deep dives. We might have to have him on

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Speaker 2: the podcast. He's the best in the game when it

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Speaker 2: comes to the supplemental draft, and he was all over

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Speaker 2: Jalen Thompson back in twenty nineteen, who's turned into a

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Speaker 2: nice player for the Cardinals, a starter as a fifth

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Speaker 2: round supplemental pick.

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Speaker 4: One thing I like about the supplemental draft is it takes,

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Speaker 4: on average, roughly about ten minutes, right, And like, all

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Speaker 4: I'm saying is like, I get the first and second

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Speaker 4: day of the NFL Draft, But what if we entered

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Speaker 4: a world where that Day three of the draft took

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Speaker 4: on more of a supplemental form. And we you know,

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Speaker 4: it didn't need to be nine and a half hours long.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a television product.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's basically like a group email or group text.

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Speaker 2: It's like anyone want them in the third round, It's

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Speaker 2: like no one answers, Oh, anyone want him in the

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Speaker 2: fourth round, and then no one answers, and then then

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Speaker 2: we're good.

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Speaker 1: So I texted Henry this morning, early this morning Central

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Speaker 1: time here in Texas, which was before his bedtime over

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Speaker 1: there in London, asking if he could send a video statement,

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Speaker 1: and he no, replied me, and.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, I do well, I'll let you finish. I

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Speaker 2: want to hear it.

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Speaker 1: No, And I'm just and I'm concerned because now that

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Speaker 1: Henry has this fancy job, that he's just going to

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Speaker 1: be a little more buttoned up, and we won't get

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Speaker 1: that statement from Henry, and we might not even get

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Speaker 1: the NFL dot com right up because it's not becoming

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Speaker 1: of a suit at his level. I'm concerned about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm putting that on the record on the show. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: he'll surprise me.

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Speaker 2: I I'm not as concerned. I also reached out to

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Speaker 2: Henry like we're just two minds here. There's not much

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Speaker 2: going on in late June in the NFL, and he

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Speaker 2: unfortunately told me he was actually on his way to

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Speaker 2: New York yesterday and he is in executive meetings all

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Speaker 2: day in New York, because I was thinking maybe he

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Speaker 2: could even pop on today. So that's he was probably

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Speaker 2: meeting with Roger Goodell about the future of the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But to your point, that's what he's busy doing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think we're forgetting about the incredible passion

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Speaker 4: that Henry showed multiple years in a row to create

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Speaker 4: that piece. I think he's gonna do.

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Speaker 1: It well that My concern is, like you know that

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Speaker 1: a beautiful, you know, wild horse, once you put it

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Speaker 1: inside you know borders, like you know the stall if

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Speaker 1: you will, or you put him in between these fence posts,

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Speaker 1: He's just not the same beast anymore. We'll see. I

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Speaker 1: even I will say this. I texted him the unreplied text,

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Speaker 1: could you send a professional video statement from your office

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Speaker 1: Rogers style? And you're telling me he's actually in New

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Speaker 1: York meeting with Roger, probably in Roger's office. Well, why

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Speaker 1: don't we just connect the dots here and really roll

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Speaker 1: the dice in terms of professionalism? Do it for Roger's

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Speaker 1: office for our next show.

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Speaker 2: That's what a true secretariat would do, you know, a

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Speaker 2: real real wild horse.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break and then we will

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Speaker 1: nominate so making the leap candidates. That right, we are

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Speaker 1: back and again. As I said at the top of

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Speaker 1: the show, this is a very special honor. To quote

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Speaker 1: Dick Banks in his description of the team of around

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Speaker 1: the NFL being nominated, simply being nominated as of making

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Speaker 1: the leap candidate is I think how Lamar Miller felt

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Speaker 1: years ago when he was nominated three, four, five times,

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Speaker 1: four of those by myself, all of them by you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: on NFL dot com. But you know, not all these

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Speaker 1: guys are going to have breakout years. But you figure,

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Speaker 1: if we can just nail one or even two, I

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Speaker 1: think we show our bona fides as podcasters.

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Speaker 2: I remember the hits I've learned over the years. Just

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Speaker 2: remember the hits. People will remind you of the misses enough,

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Speaker 2: but just hold on to those hits. Pete Pete Warner

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Speaker 2: was one last year. I think that hit pretty well.

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Speaker 2: I remember that that was a good one.

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Speaker 3: Do you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna leave this totally up to you,

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Speaker 1: because this is not a hit piece on Rosenthal. But

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Speaker 1: you did do an article last summer, last July with

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Speaker 1: some candidates. Do you you care to see if we

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Speaker 1: had any hits.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't looked at it. So yeah, is

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Speaker 2: that here?

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Speaker 3: We are?

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Speaker 2: All right? Is it the assignment list? Let's see, well

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Speaker 2: I did I did it a little different where now

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Speaker 2: they want me to do one for every team, which

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Speaker 2: is like, kind of look, it's probably good for metrics,

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Speaker 2: but you know, I see you're stretching. They just like

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Speaker 2: it that way. It was just fine.

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Speaker 1: You did have Davis Mills last year. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to go through them all because it is a little different.

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Speaker 1: You had Trevor Lawrence. That was a good one.

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Speaker 3: Dingo.

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Speaker 1: Were we okay with the Rocky you sin last year?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You had Tua always like Rucassin. I was thinking of

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Speaker 2: him this year.

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Speaker 1: There's that man again, Elijah Moore. He's going to show

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Speaker 1: up on a lot of lists this year too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what Miles Jacket is. Here a lot

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Speaker 1: of names. It's hard to get it right, and it's hard.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to get sucked into the off season hype machines.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to try to cut through all that. Mark.

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Speaker 1: I know you would be the person out of the

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Speaker 1: three of us most stressed about one of your choices

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Speaker 1: being picked before you got to go. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to have you go first for your own mental mindset.

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Speaker 2: I got a tongue of Biloa on it last year,

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Speaker 2: by the way, So there we go. There's a win.

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Speaker 1: Bang.

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Speaker 3: That's a big victory.

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Speaker 4: Greg Well, I actually came up with like thirteen or fourteen,

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Speaker 4: and I find a lot of them very juicy. But

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Speaker 4: I'm going to go with a player that had one

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Speaker 4: hundred and seventy one yards through the area year ago,

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Speaker 4: has battled durability issues and there are question marks.

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Speaker 3: About how he can last through NFL season.

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Speaker 4: But when we've seen Kadarius Tony in that Chiefs offense

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Speaker 4: and what we saw what he did down the stretch,

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Speaker 4: and when you've seen Juju Smith Schuster exit stage left

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Speaker 4: and all the whispers are whether or not they have

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Speaker 4: a number one, he's going to be treated that way.

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Speaker 4: And I just think that what we saw live at

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Speaker 4: the super Bowl in that stadium, but just the way

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Speaker 4: they used him and Andy Reid's hyper creativity in general,

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Speaker 4: and the idea that Patrick Mahomes makes everyone around him

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Speaker 4: so much better that have Kadarius Tony, who in the

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Speaker 4: past couple of years has had quad, hamstring, oblique thigh

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Speaker 4: issues and a minor knee surgery. That's a that's an issue.

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Speaker 4: But if he can stay healthy, I think this can

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Speaker 4: be one of the more electrifying guys around. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we've already seen it. He's just a special athlete. It's

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Speaker 4: just about staying on the field.

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Speaker 2: I think he's had a good offseason because I think

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Speaker 2: there were different ways this offseason could have gone. And

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Speaker 2: maybe they will add Hopkins, whereas they've been in the

658
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 2: mix for these right wide receivers, but they haven't closed

659
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: the deal and there's going to be more opportunities for Tony.

660
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: I just did look through my list. He was on

661
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: it last year, actually, so I don't know if that's

662
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: a hit or not. He did have a nice moment

663
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, certainly, but he was on He

664
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: was on the list last year. I like him better

665
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: this year as a choice though.

666
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, a class act move by old Zeusser because I

667
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: was gonna go with this one and I just wanted

668
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: to make sure Mark had an opportunity canarious Tony. Yeah,

669
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: it's weird, Mark, because it's like everything else is there,

670
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't foresee a situation where he

671
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: stays healthy and isn't a big time player. I just

672
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: think he's too talented, and he's with arguably the greatest

673
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: quarterback ever at the height of his powers, and with

674
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster not around, it just it makes sense

675
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: that he's gonna gobble up some targets and just be

676
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: heavily involved with the offense. That said, the making the

677
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: leap exercise when a guy is always hurt and then

678
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, come week four and he's hurt again and

679
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: you're thinking yourself, why did I do that? Yes, this

680
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: always happens, like does he how does this man stay

681
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: on the stiel? Is his body just not built for that?

682
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out. But you're right, everything is

683
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: there for him to have that big breakthrough season. When

684
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: we've done this exercise in the past, I've sometimes gotten

685
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: sucked in by playoff runs as well, and then the

686
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: season comes and it's like, Okay, he got hot or

687
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: the stars aligned. Tony kind of qualifies for that, because

688
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: would he be on this list for you, Mark, if

689
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: he didn't have that memorable super Bowl.

690
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: No, but I use those well. The super Bowl.

691
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 4: That certainly was like a nice cherry on top, But

692
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: even throughout the playoffs, I thought they just started to

693
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 4: use him into diferent ways and it just seemed to

694
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 4: me like a flash forward to what Andy Reid will

695
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 4: create with a this offseason. But you're absolutely right, because

696
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 4: I mean, having done these making the leaps, when you

697
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: pick a guy that's sort of an injury risk, you

698
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 4: are putting yourself into a blender half the time.

699
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 2: Dude, dude just moves different. I've loved him since that

700
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: game he had as a rookie for the Giants against

701
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. He just moves different. Our guy, Spice Rack,

702
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: who I want to I want to get back on

703
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: the show we got We got to get him back.

704
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: We didn't have him on during the draft season, but

705
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: he was a huge Canarius Tony guy. In terms of

706
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: the way that he moves. You can just you can

707
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: just see it. The only way it doesn't work is

708
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: if they just spread the ball around to like five guys.

709
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: And I saw someone put this post of like how

710
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: well Valdez scantly played in the AFC Championship game, which

711
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 2: I totally forgotten. If you watch that one game, you'd think,

712
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: my god, that's a that's a great receiver. And it's

713
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: just like sky Moore gets a little bit, their rookie

714
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: Rice gets a little bit, the running backs get a

715
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: little bit. Kelsey is still Kelsey, and he's just like

716
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: one of those guys. I guess that's the only way

717
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: you would miss if he's healthy. But I don't think

718
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: that's gonna happen.

719
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: It should be noted that I believe on his last

720
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: the appearance on Around the NFL Spice, Rack made predictions

721
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: about his contact with various people on this program, and

722
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: his prediction for me is that we would have zero

723
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: contact from that point forward, and he was correct. So

724
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: I would say, if you want to get him back

725
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: on the program, it's up to one of you guys

726
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: to do it.

727
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: I'll do it. I feel like maybe he could talk

728
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: a little bit rookies in new places.

729
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: He's a big you had you had in the past,

730
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 4: though a mysterious not fully explained to us. I don't

731
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: know ted a ted or beef with him to some

732
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: degree that is that is this still a remnant of.

733
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: That I I could. I wish I could tell you

734
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: if that is even true. I think he made some

735
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: hazy comments about our meeting in Las Vegas years ago.

736
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: I remember having a good time with him, spending multiple

737
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: days with him. He's a wild card, and I think

738
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: to try to get inside the mind of a spice

739
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: rack is to be mystified and perhaps confused.

740
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: Well, that's well said.

741
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: I'd like to be inside you feel like, you know,

742
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: being alive.

743
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what he's excited about. The Cincinnati Reed's

744
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: nine straight wins. A lot of players over there. All right,

745
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: GREGI you're up next.

746
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna cheat. I just I have two guys

747
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: that to me are together and I couldn't pick one

748
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: between them, So I'm just gonna pick them because they

749
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: fit well as a group. I know Dan doesn't like this.

750
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: No, that's that's first of all. It's not what we

751
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: agreed to beforehand, and you might end up picking one

752
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: of your colleagues choice.

753
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll put the one. Then I have two different

754
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: tandems like this where they both fit well together.

755
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: Greg, Now Dan is automatically picking forth.

756
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 2: Now I'm sneaking. I'm sneaking in there's no way he's

757
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: picking either one of these first two. So I'll keep

758
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: the big name, the bigger name guys off the shelf

759
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: for now. I'm gonna go linebackers, middle linebackers. Caden Ellis

760
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: for the Atlanta Falcons, who I love with that extra

761
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: s on his name. I love a little extra, totally

762
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: unnecessary consonant at the end of a name. It's Ellis,

763
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: my daughter's name, with an extra esque it's it's forty

764
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: percent Elis or something like that. And then as he's

765
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: Alsha here for the Titans. No, that's not right. Actually

766
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 2: it's thirty three percent, thirty three percent, thirty three percent, yes,

767
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: And then Azi's alsha here for the Titans. So they're

768
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: both a little random, they're both under the radar. Caden Ellis,

769
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: if you go back and watch when he came in

770
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: as a replacement for Pete Warner and Demario Davis in

771
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: the middle of last season, he had about a four

772
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: game stretch where he looked like Fred Warner. I was like,

773
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: this guy's insane, and it was like, where have they

774
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: been hiding? Kaden Ellis all these years, like he moves

775
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: to the ball so well that he can do a

776
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: variety of roles. He reminds me a lot of Pete Warner,

777
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: which is why I don't think they resigned him when

778
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: he got to free agency. And Warner was one of

779
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: my hits on making the leap last year. And I

780
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: think ellis who got a nice deal from the Falcons.

781
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: There's some carryover in terms of the front offices New

782
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: Orleans in Atlanta, So I think they've looked for anbacker

783
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 2: like for that for a while and it's just someone

784
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: people don't know about. And I think idp leagues like

785
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: if you're into fantasy. He could rack up tackles and

786
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: he's just a good young player. And it reminds me

787
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: a little bit of Aziz alsha Here, who whenever he

788
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: played for San Francisco was just looked like a star.

789
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: And he was on a team which had two of

790
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: the best linebackers in the league in terms of Werner

791
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: and Dre Greenlaw. And so now he's in Tennessee and

792
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: these are guys that will show up. I'm basic when

793
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm watching defenses, like guys who make tackles, who are

794
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field, who are the quarterback

795
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: of the defense. Those are the guys are easier to notice,

796
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: and I could see both of these guys getting talked

797
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: about a lot during the season. So I'm pairing him together.

798
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: And I know I didn't take one from you, Dan.

799
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: No. In fact, you could do as many like linebackers

800
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: as you want.

801
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: Greg, those were the under the radar, but they felt

802
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 2: like they were similar, like their fifth year players actually

803
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 2: going to a new team. So I just was pairing

804
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 2: you thought.

805
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: About it all because again, the nomination process is sacred.

806
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: How do they feel? Like how did Steve mcne Steve

807
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: McNair and Peyton Mann feel when they were co MVPs.

808
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: It took a little of the luster off, And I'm

809
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: wondering if your two young men here are feeling the

810
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: same way right by.

811
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: Now, that's another way to look at this.

812
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: If I had just picked one, yeah, I think I

813
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: would have gone with Elis. I guess if I had

814
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: Now it now it makes also you're feeling worse now, sorry, And.

815
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: Now he's in a back sewer with the running backs.

816
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna be great. That's gonna be great.

817
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: All right, that's good, Greg. It's very important you bring

818
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: that nitty gritty football guy vibe to the show. Getting

819
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: the linebackers in I'm gonna get right back onto basic

820
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: Boulevard and let's move to that's where I like to

821
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: be real basic, and I'll do one. Maybe maybe this

822
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: will hurt Greg, will make him feel good, but also

823
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: he'll be like, oh, I wanted to nominate this player,

824
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: so that's good. Romadre Stevenson mm hmm, New England Patriots.

825
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: You never you never know how Bill is gonna gonna

826
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: to dole out his running back work. But I think

827
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said for the tape Stevens

828
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: to put out there. And and then two other outside factors. One,

829
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: Damien Harris is no longer there. He's with the Bills.

830
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: You know. Actually, I need give me a little juice,

831
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: Eric behind the virtual glass, give me a little nomination music.

832
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: This will make this, will sell this better. Yes, Rondre

833
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: Stevens in fresh off that one thousand yard season and

834
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: now he has a clear path to bulk carries. And

835
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: in Bill O'Brien as the new offensive coordinator. Bob is

836
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: not the most you know, you know, innovative play caller

837
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: when it comes just opening things up. And he has

838
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: Mac Jones at quarterback coming off a rough season that

839
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: I think he wants to ease into the mix and

840
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: give plenty of help. So I think Stevenson it's gonna

841
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: be his show on the offense more than it's going

842
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: to be an aired out passing game type situation. And

843
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: he's a three down type back. And when Stevenson has

844
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: thirteen hundred, fourteen hundred total yards this season, he will

845
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: absolutely qualify as a man that we will see making

846
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: the leap in twenty twenty three.

847
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 3: I like it a lot.

848
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 4: I think, first of all, a good making leap candidate

849
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 4: has given us a fair amount of proof that they

850
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 4: can make the leap versus just something from out of

851
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 4: the darkens. He looked great at times last year in

852
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 4: a totally non functional attack. So there's sort of an

853
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: arrow air up feel with Bill O'Brien there, and I

854
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 4: think it will be a healthier environment and there is

855
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 4: less of a clown car of runners this time around,

856
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 4: because that would be my one thing with Bill Belichick,

857
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 4: and we've just seen it going back to you know,

858
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 4: ten years ago.

859
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: Plus it's just like I'll use six.

860
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 4: Running backs then on some random Monday night game, our

861
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 4: fourth string guy will get thirty five carries and run

862
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 4: for one hundred and eighty yards. So if he's if

863
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 4: Bill's a little over some of that nonsense, and you

864
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 4: stick with Stevenson, I think you got something.

865
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Greg, because you follow the team

866
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: as closely as anyone is this one. Should this not count?

867
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: Do you think Stevenson made the leap already?

868
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: Yes? But that means and I'm glad you asked, because

869
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: when I do that written piece, there's different types of

870
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: leaps for him to make the leap. Forget fourteen hundred

871
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: yards he got that last year, actually yards from scrimmage.

872
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: That's out goodnyway. He was kind of under the radar

873
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: fantasy heads though, but he ended up with fourteen hundred

874
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: yards from scrimmage and sixty nine catches. He has to

875
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: make it to what Mark was talking about, top five

876
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: running back, right. I actually think I think he could

877
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: do it. I think he could do it.

878
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: Bring me my music back. I guess I gotta clean

879
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: this up a little bit.

880
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: Why do you get the music? By the way it sounded,

881
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: I thought of better because I thought of it.

882
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: You could have it. You could borrow it if you

883
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: want fair dollars borrow it.

884
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 4: I don't claim that I agree that you thought of it.

885
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: Fourteen hundred yards a season ago with six touchdowns, five

886
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: on the ground. This year he surpasses eighteen hundred and

887
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: fifty total yards and fifteen total touchdowns. He becomes a

888
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: true star running back, which means he'll be released a

889
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: year later salary cap considerations.

890
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: I could see it when Bill talks. When Bill Belichick

891
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: talks about Stevenson, you could just tell it's his guy.

892
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 2: Like he always talks about how he doesn't make any

893
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: mental errors. He did fumble a lot, but he just

894
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: like understands every play and in a way that almost

895
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: hasn't happened since Corey Dillon. I could see them just

896
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: trusting him every single down and just going for it

897
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 2: because he's he's not great at anything, but he makes

898
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: you miss. He's a power back, he's a receiving back.

899
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: He's good at everything, and that's exactly what Belichick loves.

900
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: Well rounded a couple woe games that twenty nine nothing

901
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: went over to true. In Week five, he went twenty

902
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: five for one sixty one that absurd loss to the Raiders.

903
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: The Chandler Jones game, he was nineteen for one seventy

904
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: two nine yards a rush. It's there. It's there, and

905
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: if you want to load him up and make him

906
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: the guy, he could become a true star running back.

907
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: In fact, next week, Mark, we'll be rolling out the

908
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: uh Superstar Club twenty twenty three. I feel like I

909
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: backed myself in a corner here a little bit because

910
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna say he's making that leap to eighteen

911
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: hundred total yards and fifteen tds, does that put him

912
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: in the Superstar Club? I mean I gotta get a

913
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: little more risky.

914
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't have it both ways. I mean, he's

915
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 3: he's getting close to that club.

916
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: All right, You're like, you can't have it both ways.

917
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: That's that's a lot to ask Superstar Club for her mind.

918
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: I want that music, by the way, I mean I

919
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 3: understand the day.

920
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: Hey, let me wait, hang on, let me let me

921
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: think internally. All right, you could have it?

922
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: All right?

923
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going running back too, because I see a

924
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 4: chance for this player who has really never done anything

925
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 4: beyond five hundred yards on the ground in a season,

926
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 4: always held back behind the person in front of him.

927
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: That person is gone.

928
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 4: Dalvin Cook is gone, and so Alexander Madison, who watching

929
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 4: running backs whenever I've watched him, I've I've loved it

930
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 4: and wished he were a starter earlier, had a chance

931
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 4: somewhere else. Kevin O'Connell has been glowing about him all

932
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 4: off season, saying that he's absolutely stepped in and showed

933
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: the ownership that a three down back needs to show

934
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 4: inside of offensive meetings. That's he's known he could do

935
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 4: this for a long time, and this is going to

936
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 4: be an offense that runs the ball. It's like they

937
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 4: didn't get rid of Dalvin Cook because they're just gonna

938
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: go pass heavy alone and not use a running back

939
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 4: like Alexander Madison's already shown he can do it. I

940
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 4: would point to the twenty twenty two campaign where he

941
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 4: or one where he came in for a injure Dalvin

942
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 4: Cook and had four hundred and fifty one yards, two

943
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 4: hundred and twelve yards through the air, and five touchdowns

944
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: in five starts. I thought that stretch was what frustrated me,

945
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 4: because it's like then he was put back into the shadows. Largely,

946
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 4: this is a starting NFL running back in a good

947
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 4: position to have obviously his biggest year, but not just

948
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 4: some milk toast season. I think he could be something special.

949
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: Now as someone who loaned that song out, Dan, Yeah,

950
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: do you think people that use the song do we

951
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: need to finish by the end of the song, and

952
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: then if you keep talking after the end of the song,

953
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: it's not fair, not fair use do you have to

954
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: like pay extra.

955
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: Little backhanded shot the old cestog there?

956
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: Well, wait, yeah, I would.

957
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 4: I want to go check the tape and see if

958
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: you if you did, I'm assuming you did, but I

959
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: don't clearly remember that.

960
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Let it be not to let the record state that

961
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: that was I was not adding that the notation for

962
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: the usage of the song. I would say, i'd write,

963
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: I think it's more important to the listeners and the

964
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: nominee that you get those thoughts out.

965
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: So okay, I mean I'm in trouble me with my

966
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: double dippers. I'm not exactly short winded. Is that a word?

967
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: You know?

968
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: Uh?

969
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: I just made it up, you know, I'm overleave for both.

970
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: I thought that was well said on Madison. I'm surprised,

971
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: like there's not a little more hype about him, even

972
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: among Vikings fans, Like they don't seem always that excited,

973
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: and I really like him. Reminds me a little bit

974
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 2: of a Chester Taylor former Raven who got a chance

975
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: to be the guy in Minnesota way back in the

976
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: day when he got a chance to step up. He

977
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: was a fantasy star, can do everything. And I'm with you.

978
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 2: I'm with you on Madison.

979
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: All right, that's good, all right, Gregie, Well you're up again.

980
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: And uh well, I'm afraid you don't like this double

981
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: dipping thing. Why don't I ask, do you have any

982
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: wide receivers from the NFC South.

983
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.

984
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: You'd be free on lie list.

985
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I have a wide receiver that I'm still even

986
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: as we're going through this episode, trying to fight against

987
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: throwing out there. But he's not in the South.

988
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: Okay, let's hit the music. All right, I'm going double

989
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 2: dipping from the NFC South. It's the wide receivers, Chris

990
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: o'lave and Drake London. This music does make me feel excited.

991
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: You know, when I watched Desmond Redders tape, London just

992
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: stuck out. You look at his numbers and he got

993
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: overshadowed a little bit by Garrett Wilson and Olave and

994
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: my god, like he gets open way better than I expected.

995
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: The Mike Evans comparisons make a lot of sense. If

996
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: he wasn't stuck on the Falcons, I think we would

997
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: have looked at his rookie season as a huge, huge success.

998
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: He had some key fumbles at points, but he attacks

999
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: the ball, he runs with it. He's a red zone

1000
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: guy like Drake London did everything even better than I

1001
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: expected coming out of the gates, made the Kyle Pitts

1002
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: slow start look bad and then Olave. Yeah, he got

1003
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: votes for Rookie of the Year, but I still think

1004
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: people under sell them. They look at him as like

1005
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: almost like a number two that's gonna get a thousand,

1006
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: eleven hundred yards every season. I think he could be

1007
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: like a true number one Marvin Harrison fourteen hundred and

1008
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred yard receiver. To me, he is gonna be

1009
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: the guy in New Orleans racking up stats, getting open,

1010
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: and it's not gonna be flashy. It's gonnall lot to

1011
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: be a lot of thirteen yard gains, a lot of

1012
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 2: thirty yard plays. He's gonna be avoiding hits like that's

1013
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be flashy, but he's gonna make catches.

1014
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: He's gonna get open. O Lave and London twenty twenty

1015
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: three for president for making the league.

1016
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't get. I don't get the pairing thing.

1017
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: But well they're both, you know, second year receivers from

1018
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 2: the South. They couldn't choose between them. I loved them

1019
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 2: both so much. It's you know, who do.

1020
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: You like more?

1021
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Well, London the academy will reflect that a lave. But

1022
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: London surprised me more. I didn't expect him, especially because

1023
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: of his numbers and his profile coming out of college.

1024
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: I think he is a little better of a fit

1025
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: actually for making the leap, because he kind of got

1026
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: overshadowed by the other rookie receivers and I think he's

1027
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: gonna make a big step up.

1028
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 4: I guess it's just like it comes down to like

1029
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 4: an output thing too, because watching a lobb a, I

1030
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 4: kind of felt like he made a rookie year leap

1031
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 4: in terms of watching him.

1032
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 3: But I get you, I get part of.

1033
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 4: The exercises, the production could be, you know, incrementally bigger London.

1034
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: I'm with you on London too.

1035
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 4: I think there were I just remember watching Marcus Mariota

1036
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 4: for QBAN next week after week and they we're like,

1037
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 4: it's obviously a Mariota thing.

1038
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of that.

1039
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 4: But London seemed to have occasionally key drops and lose

1040
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 4: the ball here and there. But you also see I

1041
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 4: think that go that's kind of go away after your

1042
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 4: rookie year in a weird quarterback situation. Although it's still

1043
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 4: a little a little strange, but there's a lot of

1044
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 4: weapons there. I mean, he's got a chance, I think,

1045
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 4: to be the lead guy there, no question.

1046
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: He's still twenty one years old. He's about to turn

1047
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: twenty two in late July, but that to do that

1048
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: as a twenty one yeard. You're right, there were some

1049
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: big moments. He lost that Saints game with a fumble,

1050
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: yet he had a couple key dropped, right, you know,

1051
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: I can live with that with the plays that he made.

1052
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with maybe a lave more than London,

1053
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: he's more maybe in the Madre Stevenson category, where he's

1054
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: already proven himself that he's going to be a big

1055
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: time player in the league. When you come out as

1056
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: a rookie playing on a mediocre team and you finished

1057
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: seventy two for one thy forty two and four touchdowns,

1058
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: I expect you to make that leap in year two

1059
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: like I could have. I could have went obviously Garrett Wilson,

1060
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: going from Zach Wilson and Joe Flacko and Mike White,

1061
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I expect him to be knocking on the

1062
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: door of the Superstar Club this year, but I don't

1063
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: want to go too heavy on those guys that have

1064
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: kind of made the leap but are going to the

1065
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: next level. But I agree a lave I think is

1066
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: a slam dunk Drake London. Yeah, I still I worry

1067
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: about that QB room and how that will depress in

1068
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: deflate numbers and maybe added stress in that building to

1069
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: finally not only give touches to this dynamic young running

1070
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: back you just brought in, but finally make sense of

1071
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: the Kyle Pitts era in the NFL, and if that

1072
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: could end up depressing some of the targets for Drake

1073
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: London that would not stun me. But obviously very talented

1074
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: player as well.

1075
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was hesitant on a lobby, but I think

1076
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: it's because I'm basic on what I hear about a lobby,

1077
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: which is I think there's this feeling that he's like

1078
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: DJ Moore, that he was a huge double right off

1079
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: the bat. He's going to be a good receiver forever,

1080
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 2: and I think he could he could be a superstar

1081
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 2: that he could be leading the league and receiving.

1082
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: Also like a football head if you're paying attention, like

1083
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: all the people that love to write about the game

1084
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: and pound table for guys and the analytics pop in

1085
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: the hood. I'm sure Matt Harmon his reception perception was

1086
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: very kind for Chris Alave. Everyone sees it as a

1087
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: guy that has a chance to be true.

1088
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: You called me too basic. I get it, I shout

1089
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 2: up somewhere under the radar.

1090
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: Guys, No, listen, you just came off a double linebacker

1091
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: nomination that this is fair. That was fine. I liked it.

1092
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: I liked it. I'm up, all right, Shoot, this is

1093
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: hard because we're doing three each. I'm gonna save my.

1094
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 2: Last is doing six each, But yeah, we'll do my

1095
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: last one is Actually he's by himself. I could try

1096
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: to I could try to find a combo, but it

1097
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: would be a stretch.

1098
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: Oh do I want to do it? Oh God, all right,

1099
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: I'll do it last time at the rodeo.

1100
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: You could renominate Kaden Ellis.

1101
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: Last time at the rodeo. Jerry Judy, let's oh, I

1102
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: like it? It can we can we finally be And

1103
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 1: I think he's been on what is this his fourth

1104
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: year now or is his third year?

1105
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: It's only his third year, right.

1106
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's was on everyone's making the leap

1107
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: list for the most part last.

1108
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: Year year fourth season. This would be his third potential

1109
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: making the lead.

1110
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? He's already in year four now? And

1111
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: you heard the rumors music please, I mean I I

1112
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: should get it without without saying it just should go,

1113
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: just should fill the room. It goes without saying that

1114
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: Judy has talent, former first round pick. And we all

1115
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: remember when Russell Wilson joined the team and everyone thought

1116
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: they were going to make magic. Didn't work out. Russell

1117
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: Wilson's still there. Russell Wilson, by the way, remember what

1118
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: he was called? This hang on Detective Culties.

1119
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: So you got to watch the YouTube Dan Mike exploding

1120
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: out of no.

1121
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: This is even sadder when this inspirational music is played.

1122
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: I am enjoying this.

1123
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: Now. I'm holding a mic like Freddie Mercury. Remember when

1124
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was called a sack of potatoes at the

1125
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: back end of last season, which felt like a dig

1126
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: his build and how hard he might have been working

1127
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: a lot of reports at a Denver that he's down

1128
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: serious pounds and is light and moving moving his feet.

1129
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 1: Maybe the light turned on, knowing all of a sudden

1130
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: his whole football career is up in the air. So

1131
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: if it's Russell Wilson, lighter, peppier, more focused, Sean Payton

1132
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: and what he brings to any offense that he runs.

1133
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: And then Jerry Judy, a great route runner, a playmaker,

1134
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: a guy that has already flashed in his career when

1135
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: he has a dealt with injuries himself. Yes, Judy, I'm

1136
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: doing it one last time at the Rodeo making the

1137
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: leap in year four.

1138
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: The video of Russell Wilson proves what you're pointing to

1139
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 4: those reports. He looks tangibly different to me physically. I

1140
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 4: think he's, you know there obviously couldn't have been humbled anymore.

1141
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 4: He's got some sort of hashtag tagline out there about

1142
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 4: it being like a redemption season two. I don't remember

1143
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 4: the exact verbiage, but it's very.

1144
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 1: Rough the grind it's about to find it.

1145
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 4: Wasn't quite that on the nose but it was pretty

1146
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 4: much on the nose. But I mean everything there should

1147
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 4: be a little bit more controlled, a little bit better.

1148
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 4: I still trust Sean Payton. Jerry Judy to me, like

1149
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 4: from the minute he hit the league, he could do

1150
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 4: these fascinating things and then beguile you with terrible drops.

1151
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 4: I just never really had like the right quarterback situation there.

1152
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 4: So this environment feels positive compared to the horror show

1153
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 4: we witnessed a year ago.

1154
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know he he was better last year.

1155
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: Like his numbers yards per route, ron yards per target,

1156
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: it was so much better than Courtland Sutton for instance,

1157
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: or anyone else on that team. He did have his

1158
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 2: career high in receptions and yards, didn't break a thousand yards,

1159
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: but he was better. I have not given up on

1160
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: Jerry Judy either. I'm sure he's been on my making

1161
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: the leap, but maybe I'll bring him back on if

1162
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: I need one for every team. Although I like another Bronco,

1163
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: Greg Dolci. The tight end is on my longer list, So.

1164
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: It's almost like if he doesn't this year, if Judy

1165
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: once again is inconsistent as their producer or struggles to

1166
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: stay on the field, he deserves to go in this

1167
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: other like category you don't want to be in. Maybe

1168
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: Lamar Miller's in it, like making the leap guys that

1169
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: repeatedly trick people into being that they were that guy

1170
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: and it never really happened. But I'm gonna say there

1171
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: are enough factors in play, and is either clear Number

1172
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: one Sutton obviously is still there too, But I think

1173
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: I think Judy is a nice scheme fit with Sean

1174
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: Payton also in terms of what he does, is his

1175
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: skill set. I'm in, let's go, let's go, buddy, do it.

1176
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: If for some reason he got to free agency, which

1177
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: you could actually see happening, like let's say has a

1178
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: similar year this year to next year, they don't want

1179
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: to pay, Like people will still pay Jerry Judy a

1180
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: ton of money. Receivers are just worth that much now

1181
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: and they never get the good ones. It's hard to

1182
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: get them in free agency, Like there will be seven

1183
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: gms out there who are huge, making the leap fans

1184
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,479
Speaker 2: that are like, screw it, let's give him twenty million

1185
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: dollars a year, Like it's still it'll still happen.

1186
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: And I could see it. I could see it. But

1187
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe if not to skew negative again.

1188
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: But if if he has Sean Payton and Wilson's Better

1189
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: and it still doesn't happen, maybe that would depress his value.

1190
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: I guess.

1191
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: I hope we don't find out. I hope he just

1192
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: lights it up.

1193
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: The Wilson's Better part is a complete mystery.

1194
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, it is time now for the final

1195
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: nomination once again, Mark, this is the floor is yours.

1196
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: No one could take anything from you. You're at complete

1197
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: ease as you nominate your final player for making the

1198
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: Leap twenty.

1199
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 4: I'd like the music to be added on top of Yes, please, miss.

1200
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 4: I am picking between two George's because I really wanted

1201
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 4: to go. George karloftis of the Chiefs who I think

1202
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 4: has a real opportunity with Frank Clark gone to be.

1203
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 4: I just found am so disruptive to watch, and there's

1204
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 4: something about him that like Parkens back to an old time.

1205
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 4: But I'm going George Pickens eight hundred and one yards

1206
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 4: a year ago, fifty one catches four touchdowns.

1207
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 3: I mean, we saw it.

1208
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 4: The thing is, you can't say you made the leap

1209
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 4: last year because I think a lot of it happened

1210
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 4: when Kenny Pickett got involved, they showed chemistry. I mean,

1211
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 4: I could just see these two being together for a

1212
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 4: long time. There isn't a team in the league. I

1213
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 4: trust more to develop wide receivers. But beyond that, like

1214
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 4: what we see him doing from a hand eye coordination, angle, athleticism,

1215
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 4: acrobatic catches, He's just.

1216
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: Made to be an NFL start.

1217
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 4: And I guess you have to trust that Kenny Pickett

1218
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 4: picks up where he left off.

1219
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 3: But I do m.

1220
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: I hope my comments about the you know, finishing before

1221
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: the song was over, and yeah, because you were on a.

1222
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 4: Roll, you were on clipped No, I felt like I

1223
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 4: was ready to stop speaking.

1224
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: Because I can I want to be I'm relieved Mark

1225
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: that you went with a Pittsburgh Steeler beca because I

1226
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: was going to, uh, if you didn't nominate either Picket

1227
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: or someone connected with the team, I was gonna accuse

1228
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: you of doing the old move that many people, the

1229
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: trap people fall into in this business, which is the

1230
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: old Remember the Contras spread gun? Maybe Yeah, it was

1231
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: like we have the spread remember that one, and just

1232
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: the bulls shot everywhere.

1233
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great weapon.

1234
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: And you've you're already on record on the show saying

1235
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: that the Steelers are winning twelve plus games and Kenny

1236
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: Pickett's taking the leap, so somebody had to be in

1237
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: the making the leap. Conversation from Mark as a nomination

1238
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: and going with his potential number one ride receiver checks

1239
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: the box. So I'm just I'm giving you a compliment.

1240
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: You you're a man of your word.

1241
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 4: Well thanks, guns down when it comes to Picket, Like

1242
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 4: I think when we talk about making the leap as

1243
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 4: a quarterback, like there's a lot of competition in real estate,

1244
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 4: Like I he can kind of just be who he

1245
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 4: was last year for the most part, and they're functional.

1246
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 4: But like do I don't see, I'm not. It's tougher

1247
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 4: for me to project Kenny Pickett making a massive like

1248
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:07,959
Speaker 4: josh Allen Lake leap.

1249
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 2: Hmmm. Pickens is a good one. I like that he's

1250
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: different than other receivers too, Like the analytical consensus is

1251
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: sort of like guys who in contested catches are a

1252
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,479
Speaker 2: little more unreliable, Like there's only so many contested catches.

1253
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: You'd rather have a guy that just gets open or

1254
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: wins after the catch, like those are more valuable skill sets.

1255
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: George Pickens is a throwback in some ways to guys

1256
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: from the nineties where it's just like just throw it

1257
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: up to him and he's gonna go get it. He is,

1258
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 2: that is his superpower, and he's gonna learn and get

1259
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: better at receiving, kind of like DK metcalf Is. I

1260
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: know he's not as physical, but that is a superpower

1261
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: that it carried over and I have no reason to

1262
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 2: think it's not gonna keep carrying over like that choice.

1263
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: All right, Greg, So last year I did check that

1264
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: making the Leap, you know list had some hits. Tua,

1265
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: Zach Allen was on there.

1266
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: He actually you already brought up You brought on Tua.

1267
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: You're making it sound like.

1268
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: That Jalen Hurts, Jalen Hurts I had on there. You

1269
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: had Hurt, had Hurt. I mean I was banging the

1270
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: drune for Hurts last offseason, Auk and then like twenty

1271
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 2: six other guys.

1272
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 3: You know.

1273
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: But I'm going to go back to quarterback. And I

1274
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: debated this because you know, I could go for more

1275
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: under the radar ones and maybe this is predictable, maybe

1276
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 2: it's not. I think Mack Corgile Jones is making the Leap.

1277
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: I think people threw away his last season and put

1278
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: it all on him. At the same time, they're saying

1279
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 2: Matt Patricia is the worst offensive coordinator in the history

1280
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 2: of the league. It's the biggest mistake ever. And I

1281
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: hear this quarterback draft of starters where he came in

1282
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 2: twenty ninth and I think Lawrence was six. And I'm

1283
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: not saying he's Trevor Lawrence. He's not going to have

1284
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: the career. But like when Lawrence had a total abortion

1285
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 2: as a head coach, you we threw that away when

1286
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: when Mac Jones had Matt Patricia. He needs to have

1287
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: a good system around him. He is a system quarterback.

1288
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 2: His leap is to a Kirk Cousins like level, where

1289
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 2: he's a slightly above average quarterback who has already shown

1290
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 2: a couple of things, which is tough reading the defense quickly, touch, timing, accuracy.

1291
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: He did that at a Rivera's Philip Rivers like level

1292
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 2: as a rookie. That made me excited. And it's not

1293
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 2: just because I'm a Patriots fan. I like quarterbacks like

1294
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: this often, and people have really kind of given up

1295
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: on him having a good career. And I think this

1296
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: situation with Bill O'Brien's gonna be much better, and I

1297
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: think he can bounce right back into being a solid,

1298
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: better than average quarterback third year in the system, touch,

1299
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: timing and accuracy, mccorkoll, don't let me down.

1300
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 3: I mean.

1301
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 4: The only place I'd push back Greg a little bit

1302
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 4: is that I feel like people were critical of Trevor

1303
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 4: Lawrence for up through the midpoint of last season because

1304
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 4: we were seeing things that were suggesting that there issues,

1305
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,959
Speaker 4: and when it came to mac Jones, like I feel

1306
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 4: it from mid season on, it was kind of like, well,

1307
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 4: he's in a disaster situation, like this is a you know,

1308
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 4: this year is a throwaway year.

1309
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 3: This year doesn't count.

1310
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: He gets a do over.

1311
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 4: I just like that was the language that I heard

1312
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 4: and spoke more about mac Jones, where it's like you

1313
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 4: can't blame him for what's going on that stead. I

1314
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 4: still see him as like a top fifteen, sixteen seventeen quarterbacks.

1315
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: Right well, that would be I feel like, though, if

1316
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: you actually write him down and maybe we'll do this exercise,

1317
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 2: I guess I'd be curious if you really would have

1318
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: him there. I wouldn't even have him there yet because

1319
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 2: it's a it's a pretty deep crop of quarterbacks now

1320
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: and I get that, but I kind of look at

1321
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: him versus the other you know, rookie quarterback, you know,

1322
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: guys from that year, and I just think he's put

1323
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: good football on tape. And that's one thing I think

1324
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: it's helped me doing making the leaps. When a guy

1325
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 2: at some point has shown a high level of play

1326
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 2: at any point in their career, like they can get

1327
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: back to that. He's put it on tape as a rookie,

1328
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: and I think now the knowledge and hopefully the system

1329
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: really helps him out.

1330
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has done no favors last year with the

1331
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: way Belichick botched the offense.

1332
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 2: He's stunk though I'm not arguing, but.

1333
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: He Yeah, he did not play well. I yeah he

1334
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: the rookie season. Definitely. There were moments where he played

1335
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: really well during that year as well. But I don't know, man.

1336
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: I mean what you say, Kirk Cousins, he could have

1337
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: a Cousins like career, and that that feels a little

1338
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: rich to me. I'm wondering if one aspect of him,

1339
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: like is he likable? Does teammates like him? Does his

1340
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: coach like him?

1341
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair question.

1342
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: Is this personality does it. It seems to to just

1343
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: walk the line between fiery, competitive guy with some swag

1344
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: and kind of a guy that maybe is writing what

1345
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: do they say, writing checks with his mouth that his

1346
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: body can't cash a little bit. I'm very conflicted because

1347
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, and would it surprise me

1348
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: if the Patriots end up being a competitive team and

1349
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: Jones bounces back? No? But is he also just like

1350
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: a middle of the road guy who talks too much?

1351
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: And I think that could be true too. I'm leaning

1352
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: in that direction that he's not the answer in New England,

1353
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: so we'll see.

1354
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 3: That could be true.

1355
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 4: But I would also say that like some of his

1356
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 4: fire from last season and some of his comments were

1357
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 4: just completely warranted, and he didn't come in with that

1358
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 4: out of the gate. That was as things really started

1359
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 4: to break apart, and I if anything, they went out

1360
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 4: of their way to pair him with Bill O'Brien, a

1361
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 4: play caller who knows him. They're implementing Alabama elements to

1362
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 4: the offense, like they're gonna give it a try and

1363
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 4: we'll find out.

1364
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: But like just get I could see them yelling at

1365
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: each other back and forth too. Though they're they're both fiery.

1366
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: I think Dan's right that he was in last year.

1367
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: There might be a question of whether his teammates like

1368
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: and I think it was immaturity last year. He does

1369
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: some mature things on the field. He's still a young

1370
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: guy who I think hopefully learned a lot last year.

1371
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: You're right, Dan, If he goes another year with being

1372
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 2: a pain in the butt like his career, this is

1373
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 2: a huge year for his career. His career is going

1374
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 2: to take. Yeah, he's going to be a backup.

1375
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: I would just say to what you said, Mark, that

1376
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: he did while he was sold down the river in

1377
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: some ways by his coaching staff. I just fundamentally disagree

1378
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: with like he was okay or in the right to

1379
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: act out on the field, and the report about him

1380
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: reaching out to other coaching staffs from his past, Like,

1381
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: take that and compare that to Trevor Lawrence the previous

1382
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: year when he was an even worse situation with Urban Meyer,

1383
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: who wasn't even a real human being coaching that team

1384
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: and making a mockery of Lawrence's rookie season. And the

1385
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: guy never said anything, He never publicly spoke out in

1386
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: a way that kind of made himself a distraction even

1387
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: though he was going through hell, and then he got

1388
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: a better coach, Doug Peterson, and some better players, and

1389
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: then he really got his career going. I didn't love

1390
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: how Jones kind of made it a show of look

1391
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: how up this scene is here and I and I'm

1392
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: gonna point it out because I am who I am.

1393
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: Why I see why it could happen, Because I like

1394
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: in sports, even though I'm at a far lesser level

1395
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: like when I was, you know, playing even in intramural sports,

1396
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: sometimes you kind of lose yourself a little bit, but

1397
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: like when you're the quarterback, there's just a higher level

1398
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: I think of accountability that he lacked last year.

1399
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 4: I guess all I'm trying to say is that, like

1400
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 4: when I first of all called him like somewhere in

1401
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 4: the low low teens, if you get the rookie version

1402
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 4: of him, I think he is around there. And I'm

1403
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 4: willing to forgive what happened last offseason and just kind

1404
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 4: of like see where we go because we might feel

1405
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 4: differently about him the leader and the person, but I

1406
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 4: guess some of that comes out and you learn about

1407
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 4: them in the tough situations. And it was a tough

1408
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 4: situation and there were endless gifts and memes of him,

1409
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 4: like blowing up at Matt Patricia from the middle of

1410
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 4: the which is not what you want on a weekly.

1411
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,560
Speaker 2: Bus, no, but Belichick was so sick of him. I

1412
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 2: think he'd be an ex patriot if the right situation

1413
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 2: had landed for them this offseason, but it didn't, And

1414
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 2: I do I think he was immature too, because he

1415
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 2: was trying to list like he was too aggressive at first,

1416
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 2: and he kept making big mistakes and then he pulled

1417
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 2: it in too much and was just trying to avoid mistakes.

1418
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: And if you watch the last four or five games

1419
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: of the season according to PFF, I think he had

1420
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: counting it up now ten eleven big time throws or

1421
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 2: nine big time throws, two turnover wheth. He plays like

1422
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 2: he cleaned it up by the end of the season.

1423
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 2: And I'm still basing on what I saw as a rookie.

1424
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 2: He's an interesting test case because he has he just

1425
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 2: can't make can't He's not a playmaker, like can you

1426
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 2: win in twenty twenty three with a quarterback that can't

1427
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 2: make plays? Because to me, when I see him, I

1428
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 2: think he could be a better version of Jimmy g

1429
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 2: too touch, accuracy, getting rid of the ball quickly. Like

1430
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: can a Jimmy g really succeed in twenty twenty three?

1431
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's not really many. We have those

1432
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: examples coming up that are having a lot of success

1433
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 2: that can't make plays. So he's a good test case.

1434
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: Okay, my last one in our final nominee, and again,

1435
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: congratulations all the nominees and good luck in the upcoming season.

1436
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe I'll go with a defender. You know,

1437
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: got Greg Russeau and Buffalo seems like a guy who

1438
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: could do something I think a lot of people are expecting.

1439
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll go Homer and go with a jet and

1440
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: Elijah Vera Tucker definitely somebody I think who could be

1441
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: an All Pro guard if they just leave him be

1442
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: and he stays healthy. But I'm gonna also go quarterback

1443
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: Greg the place where I thought you were going, because

1444
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a true star making the leap situation

1445
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 1: at QB. So let's head to Chicago, and let's head

1446
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: to Justin Fields because Fields didn't get as a fan

1447
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: of a team that does a bad job building around

1448
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks. Chicago did it wrong in his first two years.

1449
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: You had Matt Naggie there and then by the time

1450
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: new leadership took over, the roster was in a total

1451
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: tear down. So there goes year two. But even with

1452
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: year two having a situation where they I think they

1453
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,799
Speaker 1: lost ten straight games in the year, we saw special things.

1454
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: And going back to what you were saying, Greg, it's

1455
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 1: good to see it, to see a guy be special

1456
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: and then say can he build on that? And I

1457
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: think Chicago finally did it right. It's better late than

1458
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: never with their moves here trading out of the number

1459
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: one pick and making that decision. We are standing behind

1460
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,879
Speaker 1: fields and we're gonna build around him. That trade resulting

1461
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: in Dj Moore a true number one wide receiver. They

1462
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: added right tackle Darnell Wright, another wide receiver in Tyler Scott.

1463
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: They added Bobby Tanian. Danta Foreman is in for David Montgomery.

1464
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: You have Khalil Herbert, who really flashed last year, another

1465
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: guy who you could have nominated in this exercise at running.

1466
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: And if you improve the blocking in front of him

1467
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: and you prove the skill players, now you could properly

1468
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: evaluate justin fields and he has things to clean up.

1469
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: He was very bad in terms of his completion rates

1470
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: with a clean pocket. He needs to be better out

1471
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: of play action. But these are things that with a

1472
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 1: better supporting cast. Good reports coming out through spring practices

1473
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: about him starting to understand things more. I just think

1474
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: the talent is going to break through here in a

1475
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: more professional setup for him, Justin Fields becomes the star.

1476
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: The Bears desperately need him to be my final end

1477
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: to me, the most important making league candidate candidate, because

1478
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: Chicago football deserves a true shining star at signal caller.

1479
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:47,799
Speaker 1: Let's do it Justin Fields.

1480
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 4: I love this because I think of everyone that we've

1481
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 4: named like the ceiling. If it works, he is the ceiling.

1482
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 4: Like he becomes a transcendent player. And I think what's

1483
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 4: lost little bit from last season was we saw the

1484
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 4: power on the ground, the total disruption, the way that

1485
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 4: he would just completely baffle defenses. I think he grew

1486
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 4: as a passer down the stretch, and it just makes

1487
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 4: me think a little bit of where we were a

1488
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 4: year ago. This time with Jalen Hurts, it was still like, well,

1489
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 4: not necessarily trying out for his job, but kind of

1490
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,799
Speaker 4: like they had flatlined against the Bucks in the playoffs,

1491
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 4: and they added some weapons and then he made that

1492
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 4: leap as a passer, and you're looking at an MVP candidate.

1493
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 4: So if he can grow justin fields can mimic that,

1494
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 4: I think you're looking at a star, And like, when

1495
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 4: is the last time there.

1496
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 3: Was a true star quarterback in Chicago?

1497
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 4: And so I think the ceiling here, like I said,

1498
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 4: is just the highest of any player we've talked about.

1499
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he plays quarterback in said a different way. He

1500
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,560
Speaker 2: holds on to the ball forever, and I feel like

1501
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 2: you've got to improve that a little bit. Like his

1502
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 2: time to throw was higher than any quarterback in the league.

1503
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson was close, and you're trying to, like Survey,

1504
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 2: you're trying to make plays. He's such a naturally talented thrower.

1505
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: When he sets up and aims it, it goes where

1506
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: he wants to go. So I think all the things

1507
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 2: that he has to improve on are improvable with the experience,

1508
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 2: and his life is going to be easier like Jalen

1509
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 2: Hurts and Lamar Jackson because he's one of the greatest

1510
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 2: running quarterbacks in the history of the league. Every good

1511
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 2: running quarterback is now. I mean, he's put up the

1512
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 2: numbers and it just is going to open up options

1513
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 2: and make it more decisive. I guess in terms of

1514
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 2: the reads that he makes it should and that's not

1515
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 2: his fault, Like he's the one setting that up with

1516
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 2: his talent. He should make it easier to be a pastor.

1517
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 2: But he needs to take a step as a passer,

1518
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: because he didn't take as big as step as a

1519
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: passer last year as I expected.

1520
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he can't give him a total pass and

1521
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: I mean his QB record if that matters at all,

1522
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: and I don't think it does for him because, like

1523
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: I said, they didn't set him up well. But he's

1524
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: lost twenty of twenty five starts so far, so he's

1525
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: been around a lot of losing also, And just looking

1526
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: at his Pro Football Reference page, I don't know if

1527
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: you guys know this. He finished in the top ten

1528
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: MVP voting last year. He's at number nine, and that's

1529
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: solely because of that's yeah, that's that's very strange, But

1530
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: that's solely because of how much he flashed some some

1531
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: weirdo like radio guy from Chicago probably did that like

1532
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: snoozer in the morning. But when he had before he

1533
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: got hurt, he was kind of taking things over and

1534
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: fantasy heads know that because anybody that had him in

1535
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 1: November or so last year said, oh, I'm winning my

1536
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: league because this guy is blowing up defenses and then

1537
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 1: he got hurt. So again, injuries is something that have

1538
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: to be considered here because he plays physically. He runs

1539
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 1: a ton. He's coming off an eleven heart eleven hundred

1540
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: yard season rushing. Maybe they'll look to tone that down

1541
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 1: a little bit and develop them more as a passer

1542
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 1: and give him that balance. But don't take him away.

1543
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: Don't do the thing I worry about with Henry where

1544
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: they put him in the old what do they call it,

1545
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: the corral? Don't corral them.

1546
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 3: Talk about Henry Hodgson now has been putting.

1547
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: Henry Watson, vice president of the UK. I'm challenging Henry

1548
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,799
Speaker 1: at this point. It feels like a full on challenge

1549
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: and one of those things where he might be mad

1550
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: at me. But I want to see that that great

1551
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 1: Henry spirit come out with his official statement on the

1552
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: supplemental Draft and let's get back to that.

1553
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 3: I like that.

1554
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great friend of mine, one of my

1555
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: closest friends. So I hope he understands this is not

1556
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 1: a needling. But it's it's a challenge as friends need

1557
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: to do sometimes to each other.

1558
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 2: I've done some research on this MVP vote here. Yeah,

1559
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: Justin Fields was one of eight men who received one

1560
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 2: fifth place vote, so we added you could vote one

1561
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 2: through five. Now that's kind of fun. I like, oh wow,

1562
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 2: And so they all tied for ninth, also receiving one

1563
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 2: fifth place vote. And yeah, I'm sure there was a

1564
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 2: Chicago person that did it that was stupid. I mean,

1565
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 2: in what world was he even a top five quarterback?

1566
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: Stop a stupid A. J. Brown got one, Derrick Henry

1567
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 2: got one, Justin Herbert got one, Tyreek Hill got one

1568
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: that I think Tyreek.

1569
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 3: Kell a problem with the rest of those. Maybe Henry

1570
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 3: Hill I.

1571
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 2: Actually think was on. I think I did a ballot

1572
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 2: for something, and I think he might have been fifth

1573
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 2: on mine. I don't think that's crazy. Gina Smith had one.

1574
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 2: That's a little silly, but I like it. Tua got one,

1575
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 2: and Danny Kellington from Buffalo, who I believe was the

1576
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 2: e M. T the medical personnel who helped save DeMar

1577
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 2: Hamlin's life, got one.

1578
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's that's incredible. What what that man did?

1579
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 3: Uh?

1580
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: And it's way more important than football. But in no

1581
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 1: world should he have gotten an MVP vote. Let the

1582
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,719
Speaker 1: record state it's a little.

1583
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 2: Odd and justin fields, they were all a little weird.

1584
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence actually got a fourth and a fifth.

1585
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm surprise this is that run by the way for

1586
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: fields when it was just like what is happening here?

1587
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: Starting in a blowout loss of the Cowboys where he

1588
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: went seventeen of twenty three with two touchdowns and then

1589
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 1: went eight for sixty on the ground with a score,

1590
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: and it was like, wow, he filled up that box score.

1591
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: Then the following week he threw three touchdown passes and

1592
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: then rushed fifteen times for one hundred and seventy eight

1593
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown. The following week he threw two

1594
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: more touchdowns and a narrow loss to Detroit and ran

1595
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: thirteen times for one hundred and forty seven yards and

1596
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: two scores. And then the following week against the Falcons,

1597
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: he got hurt and you didn't really see that guy again.

1598
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 1: But imagine if we see some version of the guy

1599
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: that seemed to be taking flight in the second half

1600
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: of last season. I mean, he could be if you

1601
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: want to talk about I don't. I don't do Vegas stuff.

1602
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm not even allowed to. But you look at what

1603
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts did last year, like Justin Fields, in terms

1604
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: of a long shot for MVP. If everything fell into place, Maron.

1605
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 4: Yep, because you all have a team that had the

1606
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 4: worst record a year ago in a shaky NFC, they

1607
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 4: could contend for a wild card, Coach of the Year,

1608
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 4: assistant Coach of the year, comeback Players of the year,

1609
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:08,839
Speaker 4: filling the blank MVP candidate.

1610
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 3: You can see it.

1611
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 2: The funny thing is when he was coming out, like

1612
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 2: anyone that mentioned his running ability, it was essentially was like, well,

1613
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 2: that's just not who he is, Like he's he's a

1614
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 2: deep ball thrower. And I look at and it's funny

1615
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 2: thinking back, like people were slammed. It's like, well he

1616
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 2: didn't show that. You're you're kind of stereotyping because he's

1617
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 2: an athletic, you know, young black quarterback. And it's true.

1618
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 2: And now I look at c J. Stroud too, and CJ.

1619
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 2: Stroud will not be like Justin Fields. He doesn't have

1620
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 2: that sort of talent. But Ohio State essentially tells their quarterback,

1621
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 2: don't do that, don't risk getting hurt. He's just you know,

1622
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 2: his coach Ryan Day has talked about it since that,

1623
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: like he tells their quarterbacks like, don't risk it, don't run,

1624
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 2: And so it makes me think about Stroud a little bit.

1625
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 2: He doesn't have nearly the athleticism of Fields, but like

1626
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 2: no one saw this coming with Fields because he was

1627
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 2: told essentially, just stay healthy and be a pocket quarterback

1628
01:19:58,240 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 2: at Ohio State. Just hit the open receivers.

1629
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: All right, there you go. Good stuff. We'll be back

1630
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: on Thursday with another and hopefully I'll still be alive.

1631
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 1: It's very warm here. Did I mention that Greg the

1632
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: tent here?

1633
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 2: I think it was. I think it was a little

1634
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 2: slice of life people. You know, they don't just listen

1635
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: to us for the football takes. It's like what's happened

1636
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 2: in their lives, their relationships. That's the podcast.

1637
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: You know. I don't like to go willy nilly and

1638
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: bring up weather, but when it gets to this level,

1639
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: when we are in a heat emergency, I'm just happy

1640
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 1: that power didn't go out. And if it goes out

1641
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: before Thursday, it will be a classic Rosenthal Sessler joint

1642
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: and I will listen to that if I'm still alive.

1643
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 4: This feels like a setup where you could text us

1644
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 4: out of nowhere. Well, the power did go out, guys,

1645
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 4: I'm shackled here. There's no way to technologically, I can't

1646
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 4: really do this from a tech angle.

1647
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 2: I hate to.

1648
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 3: Well, that's only something I do.

1649
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, let's write out the Sessler handbook right there, Dan,

1650
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: It's not.

1651
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 2: As transparent Mark. Mark drops a little breadcrumbs when he's

1652
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 2: about to miss the show of possible things that was

1653
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 2: That was preture.

1654
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: All the lights are flickering weird.

1655
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I just got a little bit of

1656
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 2: a little cough is popping up. We'll see how I

1657
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 2: feel in two days.

1658
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: I to you did have a right but this complicates

1659
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: if that was a breadcrumb my power situation compliment, that

1660
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: complicates your situation of an out out clause here for

1661
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 1: later in the week. So just something we're all gonna

1662
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:33,799
Speaker 1: have to track together.

1663
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 3: We'll track it.

1664
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, suddenly it's a it's a Greg and Walker duo

1665
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 2: power joint on Thursday.

1666
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: That'd be good. All right, let's go. Thank you everybody

1667
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: for listening. Wherever you are, Stay cool, stay safe until

1668
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: next time. He the call