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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,
Speaker 2: Richard Lawrence back with us. Very few have campaigned longer
Speaker 2: than Richard has for the truth about UFOs. Recent amazing
Speaker 2: revelations from our government and sources have vindicated Richard and
Speaker 2: He is the executive secretary for the Ethereoust Society for
Speaker 2: Europe and Africa, which happens to be the oldest UFO
Speaker 2: contactee organization in Britain, possibly the world. He's an advanced
Speaker 2: psychic channeler and student of Master of Yoga and et
Speaker 2: contact e doctor George King. He has written many books,
Speaker 2: including UFOs and the Extraterrestrial Message. Who was last on
Speaker 2: with me about a year ago? Richard, welcome back. How
Speaker 2: have you been?
Speaker 3: Oh? Great, George. It's really good to say good morning,
Speaker 3: because it is morning there, I think just.
Speaker 2: As well as here, well here here where I am
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, it's midnight, just aftors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're just starting more in a way, but anyway,
Speaker 3: it's great to talk to you again, George. How are
Speaker 3: you keeping? I'm doing fine things.
Speaker 2: Everything's great. What did you think of the governments. Are
Speaker 2: government's UFO hearings before Congress.
Speaker 3: Very significant indeed, And as a matter of fact, I've
Speaker 3: got to say this and put my hands up so
Speaker 3: you could teach us over here in Europe a lesson
Speaker 3: the British government who I am appealing to at the
Speaker 3: moment to do something. And the politicians over here are
Speaker 3: absolutely pathetic compared to I suppose a small number. It
Speaker 3: is really, isn't it, George, of your Democrat and Republican
Speaker 3: politicians over there, and we hear about it, and it's
Speaker 3: it's okay. It's not everything we want, by the way,
Speaker 3: they haven't got the disclosure even that they want, but
Speaker 3: it's real progress it and it's great news.
Speaker 2: What did you think of the testimony of the three
Speaker 2: former military folks.
Speaker 3: I thought it was excellent. I thought it was extremely credible.
Speaker 3: I watched it from beginning to end, and I thought
Speaker 3: that the things that particularly David Grush, but also the
Speaker 3: other two being so highly qualified, particularly command of Fraver,
Speaker 3: just can't be ignored. I mean, he was clear command
Speaker 3: of Fraver that you know, with all his experience as
Speaker 3: a US Navy pilot and so forth, he wasn't into
Speaker 3: UFOs at all before this, or UAPs as they've they've
Speaker 3: kind of rebranded it, haven't they really as UAPs? But
Speaker 3: I think we're still calling them UFOs pretty much. You know.
Speaker 3: He was absolutely clear that they have such incredible capabilities.
Speaker 3: Funnily enough, actually I did. I wrote a book called
Speaker 3: Contact with the Gods from Space with the with the
Speaker 3: late Dr George King, and in that book we put
Speaker 3: some of the capabilities of UFOs in detail that have
Speaker 3: been coming out now quite recently, you know, with your
Speaker 3: US Navy video clips and with some of the things
Speaker 3: that those two witnesses said. But of course David Grew
Speaker 3: the other witness. He was the one who came up
Speaker 3: with the most contemptuous and significant revelations.
Speaker 2: I think, why do you think he said so many
Speaker 2: things publicly and then the real good stuff he said,
Speaker 2: I have to talk to you privately behind closed doors.
Speaker 3: That was frustrating, wasn't it?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 3: And I mean it's absolutely clear cut proof of the
Speaker 3: cover up, isn't it. I mean it was open and
Speaker 3: on display for all to see, and they all acknowledged it,
Speaker 3: including the congress men and women that we're going to
Speaker 3: have to go into a silent meeting to talk about this.
Speaker 3: The public all we can't tell them, And that's of
Speaker 3: course what certainly we and the e Theory Society have
Speaker 3: been saying for decades. I mean, I was bringing actually
Speaker 3: CIA papers over to Britain in the nineteen eighties which
Speaker 3: confirmed that in there. Actually, one of the interesting questions
Speaker 3: I thought, George was by one of the congressmen who
Speaker 3: asked about the capacity of UFOs to disarm an American jet.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you picked up on that, and
Speaker 3: that was that's quite significant because it shows their powers.
Speaker 3: But it also shows that they're peaceful because they didn't
Speaker 3: fire pack. They knew what this craft, this American jet
Speaker 3: was going to do, they just disarmed it. Now that's
Speaker 3: not new. These papers I brought back in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 3: the CIA papers from the published in my book UFOs
Speaker 3: and the Extraterrestrial Message. They show that a weapons controlled
Speaker 3: panel was disabled by a UFO was as soon as
Speaker 3: that jet was got into missile range of it. As
Speaker 3: soon as he got out of range, the weapons controlled
Speaker 3: panel was activated. So these are super normal powers. These
Speaker 3: as Dr Commander Framer said, it's a physics.
Speaker 2: We don't have on earth, Richie, do you know your
Speaker 2: friend Nick Polpe by any chance, I do know him.
Speaker 3: Actually, I spoke to him on his first day in
Speaker 3: his job in the ministry. And it's quite interesting because
Speaker 3: I was in touch. I've been on this since, as
Speaker 3: you said in your introduction, since my twenties, and I
Speaker 3: was on the radio at the age of twenty two
Speaker 3: and in the seventies on this topic. And so I
Speaker 3: was onto his department before he got there. I was
Speaker 3: with his predecessor. And then when he got there on
Speaker 3: his first day, I gave him a call to welcome
Speaker 3: him to his department and he that's the UFO department,
Speaker 3: by the way, in the Ministry of Defense, which has
Speaker 3: now closed closed in two thousand and nine. That's another
Speaker 3: disgrace over here. And he I said to him, Dick,
Speaker 3: do you believe in UFOs And he said not particularly no.
Speaker 3: I said, well you will do.
Speaker 2: And look at him now, I'd look at him now exactly.
Speaker 2: He's all over the place.
Speaker 3: But you know, he has to be said, and we're
Speaker 3: perfectly friendly when we do come across each other. But
Speaker 3: he was part of that cover up. I mean, he
Speaker 3: was in there and I am assuming I don't know this,
Speaker 3: but he's still under the Official Secrets Act now because
Speaker 3: usually they are even if they leave the job. He
Speaker 3: is not a whistleblower anywhere near the caliber of the
Speaker 3: three people that were there, Fashily David Gruche. But suddenly
Speaker 3: he's got a lot to say on the topic. And
Speaker 3: the one thing where perhaps I would part company with
Speaker 3: him and some others is that he I think I
Speaker 3: could be wrong, but I think is still open to
Speaker 3: the idea that they could be hostile, that they could
Speaker 3: pose a threat.
Speaker 2: They seem very concerned about that.
Speaker 3: They do well. You know, it's an interesting thing before
Speaker 3: my time in the ethericiety that there's a journal that
Speaker 3: we still have actually called Cosmic Voice. And in nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty eight, this journal, Cosmic Voice, was published, and there
Speaker 3: was a warning in there in print, in an editorial
Speaker 3: that when these things are brought out, when they are revealed,
Speaker 3: as it was said that they would be, then they
Speaker 3: will start to put out the narrative, and not the
Speaker 3: word narrative, but that was what they meant, the narrative.
Speaker 3: They are hostile, and that's happening. I don't know whether
Speaker 3: you caught the news, but in the press over here
Speaker 3: we're told that. But three days before the hearing, Dr
Speaker 3: Sean Kirkpatrick, who's head of the what they call the
Speaker 3: aare the all the main Anomalous Resolution Office what a
Speaker 3: name for a UFO department. Anyway, he came out and
Speaker 3: said that he's having sleepless nights worrying about extraterrestrial invasion
Speaker 3: that was reported over here in some papers. So I mean,
Speaker 3: that's all part of it, and of course that suits
Speaker 3: the agenda. I'd have to say of some in the
Speaker 3: Pentagon and some in ministries of defense around the world,
Speaker 3: because then it's an excuse to build up their armaments.
Speaker 2: What got you involved in UFOs, Richard.
Speaker 3: I was a university in the north of England, not
Speaker 3: far from where I am actually now I'm in the
Speaker 3: north of England talking you now, in a county, beautiful
Speaker 3: county Yorkshire, and actually where doctor King came from. But
Speaker 3: I had a fantastic sighting. And in those days you
Speaker 3: probably remember, George, they were always called either US flying
Speaker 3: saucers or cigar shaped objects, you remember, And then they
Speaker 3: called all these names, don't they. Joe. I actually found
Speaker 3: when I wrote my book on UFO as I found
Speaker 3: reference in an eleventh century Japanese document to a UFO
Speaker 3: sighting being described as an earthenware vessel, so it wasn't
Speaker 3: even new. The flying saucer term wasn't even new. But
Speaker 3: that's a side. I was at a university in a
Speaker 3: place called Hull, and we had a fantastic sighting. But
Speaker 3: I mean not just mere one hundreds. I think it
Speaker 3: was about five hundred people saw this and it was
Speaker 3: moving slowly across the sky with this cigar oblong shape,
Speaker 3: tubular shape, you might say. And he got obscured at
Speaker 3: one point by I know, I drove out with a
Speaker 3: friend and we watched it from a field and then
Speaker 3: it became visible again, moving really quite slowly, and then
Speaker 3: it disappeared. And I do remember the professor at the university,
Speaker 3: I think it was the professor of chemistry. I believe,
Speaker 3: was asked for a statement, as they used to do
Speaker 3: in those days over here, because they were absolutely determined
Speaker 3: to find a so called expert to you know, disprove
Speaker 3: or discount or debunk UFOs all the time. And he
Speaker 3: came out in the local press anyway and said it
Speaker 3: was a barium cloud. He wasn't an expert on UFOs
Speaker 3: at all. He just worked in a chemistry department. And
Speaker 3: then they found out there's no such thing as a
Speaker 3: barium cloud, and I and if there was, it wouldn't
Speaker 3: operate like this object. And then I sort of thought, Okay,
Speaker 3: we've got UFOs, we've also got cover up going on.
Speaker 3: And then I got into it and I found just
Speaker 3: how bad and how dishonest the cover up was over here.
Speaker 3: And then of course in America they were overtly lying.
Speaker 3: I think they've admitted it now, just blatantly lying about
Speaker 3: this topic.
Speaker 2: Let's analyze some of the discussions of the three who
Speaker 2: spoke before Congress. Let's start with David Grush, who said
Speaker 2: that our government, the American government, has retrieved an alien spacecraft.
Speaker 2: What do you think of that?
Speaker 3: It's very interesting, isn't it, Because I mean, obviously I
Speaker 3: have no inside knowledge on how true that is. But
Speaker 3: I mean I can't see any reason why a man
Speaker 3: like that, who, as you rightly say, was always very
Speaker 3: careful to obey the law and didn't comment on things
Speaker 3: he wasn't legally allowed to comment on, and said this
Speaker 3: is secret, will have to meet secretly, and so forth,
Speaker 3: why on earth he would come out and say that
Speaker 3: if it wasn't true, he's got no reason to it's
Speaker 3: extremely damaging to his career. He claimed that he was
Speaker 3: actually physically harmed and implied even that his wife may
Speaker 3: have been in some way endangered by him doing this,
Speaker 3: that that was one of the themes, wasn't it? The
Speaker 3: way people are being harmed to speak out on this issue.
Speaker 3: And so I think it's very very interesting, and it's
Speaker 3: very interesting to us over here, actually, George, because the
Speaker 3: first one he said actually was in Europe, in Italy
Speaker 3: in nineteen thirty.
Speaker 2: Three Mussolini's government, right.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Mussolini, when he was ruling Italy with his dictatorship,
Speaker 3: they had a retrieved spacecraft. And then when he was
Speaker 3: defeated at the end of the war thanks to the Americans.
Speaker 3: Really then apparently this is really a fascinating the Pope
Speaker 3: Pious the twelfth intervened and made sure that this spacecraft
Speaker 3: that they had in a in their air force over
Speaker 3: there was taken to America. And that's the first one
Speaker 3: that David Grush knows of at all. Actually, there is
Speaker 3: one I know of that's a lot older than that
Speaker 3: that was retrieved, and that's the oldest document I think
Speaker 3: on Earth, which is the Ramayana Thedic script Hindus, and
Speaker 3: that's called the push Park of Vimana, and that was
Speaker 3: retrieved from Sri Lanka as is now as coutryl Anka
Speaker 3: now and taken back to the Himalayas, according to that book.
Speaker 3: But that's going a long way back, George.
Speaker 2: Now, also Grush talked about biologics. What do you think
Speaker 2: he meant by that?
Speaker 3: Richard, Yeah, that's fascinating. Well, I've got a theory. It's
Speaker 3: only my opinion. If they retrieved biologics, which one assumes
Speaker 3: was they call them non human personnel or some word
Speaker 3: like that. In my opinion, George, that would be robotic.
Speaker 3: In other words, it might appear to our And this
Speaker 3: is only I don't know this if that's true. And
Speaker 3: he said he hadn't witnessed that. When he was asked
Speaker 3: whether he'd witnessed that I had certain knowledge of the
Speaker 3: spacecraft being retrieved, he wouldn't comment. When it came to
Speaker 3: the biologics, he said that's what he'd been told. So
Speaker 3: it sounds like he knows about the craft and he's
Speaker 3: been told about the biologics. But in my opinion, again
Speaker 3: I don't believe that an alien I mean, I think
Speaker 3: one of the congressmen actually said, look, it fits far
Speaker 3: fetched to think they've got this technology which is so outstanding,
Speaker 3: with incredible acceleration, even power of invisibility or what you
Speaker 3: might call multi dimensional existence. That to me was one
Speaker 3: of the most interesting moments in the whole hearing, the
Speaker 3: whole the reference to quasi dimensional intelligences coming down from
Speaker 3: a higher dimension to a lower one. That's really I
Speaker 3: think groundbreaking. But anyway, coming back to the biologics, this
Speaker 3: congressman said, well, you know, how is it that they
Speaker 3: have all this capability and yet they crash? And the
Speaker 3: answer to that must be, as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 3: is because they are either they don't really crash, they
Speaker 3: just appear to crash, or they are allowed to crash.
Speaker 3: I don't think they would allow alien entities to be captured,
Speaker 3: but they might allow, again my opinion, robotic creatures, non
Speaker 3: human what we might call biologics, which might appear to
Speaker 3: us to be so sophisticated that they are biological, but
Speaker 3: in fact they are some kind of created intelligences that
Speaker 3: they're allowing people on Earth. In the American government or
Speaker 3: the Pentagon or wherever to try and investigate it. You know,
Speaker 3: they're trying to do reverse engineering, aren't they. But apparently,
Speaker 3: from what we can glean, not very successfully.
Speaker 2: They could be cyborgs too, part biological, part machine.
Speaker 3: That's true as well. Yeah, you're sort of grown as
Speaker 3: it were, deliberately grown. Yeah, I could see that, but
Speaker 3: I think it'll all be what they want because they're
Speaker 3: what it's like. And you've been doing this. I don't
Speaker 3: know where it's longer than George, but you've been on
Speaker 3: this forever, but as I have, and there used to be, didn't.
Speaker 3: They're the sort of the nuts and bolts flying source
Speaker 3: of person or upologist and the more spiritually inclined one.
Speaker 3: Actually the two have come together more now. But there
Speaker 3: are people who say, Okay, there are sightings, there are
Speaker 3: radar tracking, there is film, there is you know, military witnesses.
Speaker 3: And let's remember this is estimated to be about five percent,
Speaker 3: according to one of the three gentlemen, five percent of
Speaker 3: the real military sightings of craft. It's the ones that
Speaker 3: are put it. He was saying, he thinks ninety five
Speaker 3: percent aren't even reported by military personnel because it's so
Speaker 3: damaging to their careers to report it. So we're talking here,
Speaker 3: we aren't even looking at what the public are experiencing
Speaker 3: out there. This is purely military personnel working for the
Speaker 3: American government.
Speaker 2: Were you surprised by the hearing the fact that they
Speaker 2: went ahead and did it?
Speaker 3: I was, actually and what the one thing I you
Speaker 3: know already back in twenty twenty one, and you and
Speaker 3: I've talked about this, they virtually as good as said
Speaker 3: that UFOs exist, having denied it forever, and well done,
Speaker 3: congratulators have got to be given by the way to
Speaker 3: the American government. I mean, I've just got a thing
Speaker 3: and I don't know how interesting this is to your listeners,
Speaker 3: but just like an hour ago from the UK government
Speaker 3: here and we have a Science committee here stating they've
Speaker 3: got no plans to investigate flying sources, even though the
Speaker 3: US Congress inquiry has captured the imagination. The UK government
Speaker 3: doesn't spend any money, they're claiming on R and D
Speaker 3: research and development into unidentified flying objects. That's just come
Speaker 3: out and the House of Commons, that's what we have
Speaker 3: over here, a bit like your House of Representatives. Science
Speaker 3: Innovation and Technology Committee said it had no existing or
Speaker 3: planned work on the issue, and the Ministry of Defense
Speaker 3: over here were, like your Pentagon said it ceased to
Speaker 3: investigate reports of UFOs or UAP in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: There is no change on that. And basically the final
Speaker 3: arbiter here, the UK Space Agency, said we don't find
Speaker 3: anything looking into UFOs. They just look into the possibility
Speaker 3: of life on Mars, and that they actually referred. They
Speaker 3: referred the questions to each other, all these various departments,
Speaker 3: and you never get anywhere. So was I surprised, Yes,
Speaker 3: I was to a degree. The big question to me
Speaker 3: was will they come out and admit now that they're extraterrestrial?
Speaker 3: And I certainly the three witnesses made that very clear,
Speaker 3: and I think it looked to me like quite a
Speaker 3: few of the congressmen and women were thinking that too.
Speaker 3: We need that now to be officially confirmed by Pentagon
Speaker 3: bodies and by the government, and then we need the
Speaker 3: other governments to get off their backsides and really get
Speaker 3: out there and start being honest with the public.
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