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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to another episode of Club sha Shay. I
Speaker 1: am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of
Speaker 1: Club Shahe and today we're at Spotlight La stopping by
Speaker 1: for conversation and a drink.
Speaker 5: Today.
Speaker 1: Is a polar a polarizing figure in the entertainment business
Speaker 1: for almost two decades and unapologetic personality. A confident model,
Speaker 1: a bold business woman, a recognizable media figure, a multi
Speaker 1: talented activist, actress, influencer, TV hosts, author, and a mother.
Speaker 1: Here she is ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only,
Speaker 1: Miss amber Rose.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Thank you for stopping by.
Speaker 1: I know you're very busy, a young lady, young mother,
Speaker 1: and uh I want to say thank you again for
Speaker 1: stopping by.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5: I would like to toast.
Speaker 1: I know you don't drink much, but you told me,
Speaker 1: say Shanna, I don't drink much, but I want to
Speaker 1: try this.
Speaker 3: I do so everyone Ransom raves about this, by the way, to.
Speaker 5: All your all you've done and all you'll continue to do.
Speaker 3: Thank you, baby, well, thank you so much. Ooh some
Speaker 3: special you got right? God, damn.
Speaker 1: You don't we tell you?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, listen, if I drink that, you're
Speaker 2: gonna know all my business.
Speaker 5: Well again, thank you for stopping by.
Speaker 1: Of course, born and raised in South Yes, growing up
Speaker 1: in South Philly, what did Amberoads want to be when she.
Speaker 5: Was a little girl.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be an epidemiologist.
Speaker 5: Okay, I.
Speaker 2: I had a there was a guy in my neighborhood
Speaker 2: that was dying of AIDS in the nineties.
Speaker 3: And I didn't know what it was at the time.
Speaker 3: I would talk to my mom.
Speaker 2: And I know this might sound crazy, but watching his
Speaker 2: body deteriorate over a.
Speaker 3: Month or so.
Speaker 2: I became obsessed with HIV and AIDS and I would
Speaker 2: be in my room and just think of being on.
Speaker 3: The forefront of a cure like that.
Speaker 2: Those were my dreams and aspirations and like just being
Speaker 2: in a lab and you know, people celebrating when I
Speaker 2: found the cure, Like that's the stuff that I used
Speaker 2: to imagine when I would just be in my room
Speaker 2: and yeah, and I just I was just obsessed with
Speaker 2: like infectious diseases and I wanted to know everything about them,
Speaker 2: and still to this day. I mean even when COVID
Speaker 2: came out, I was kind of excited because I was like,
Speaker 2: what is this?
Speaker 1: You know, did you understand what AIDS was and how
Speaker 1: it came about?
Speaker 2: Not initially no, but it was it was the fact
Speaker 2: that he was full of life. And then within two months,
Speaker 2: I mean, he was a young man and he was
Speaker 2: he had a cane, right, And I asked my mom
Speaker 2: like is this like is it cancer?
Speaker 3: Like what is it? And then she told me and
Speaker 3: I was like, what is that?
Speaker 2: It happened so fast that I just became fascinated with it.
Speaker 2: And you know, now in modern day there's medicines and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and people can live a long, healthy
Speaker 2: life with HIV. But you know, back in the nineties,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like that. Yeah, so yeah, I just became
Speaker 2: fascinated with it. And that's how I was like, I
Speaker 2: want to be like doctor Fauci.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, what was your what was your fondest
Speaker 1: memory of your childhood? If you can go back and
Speaker 1: think about when you're being raised in South Philly.
Speaker 5: I don't know how many sailings, how many brothers and
Speaker 5: sisters do you have?
Speaker 2: So I'm the only child from my mom and then
Speaker 2: I'm fourteen years older than my little brother's okay, from
Speaker 2: my father's side.
Speaker 1: But you had you actually, you had friends in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: So what's your fondest memory of being in South Bailly?
Speaker 3: I would say.
Speaker 2: I miss I miss being liked for who I am.
Speaker 3: I miss that because people gave.
Speaker 2: Me a chance back then and they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: Amber's cool with shit, Let's go play double Dutch, or
Speaker 2: let's you know, go to the park, or let's go
Speaker 2: hang out. And I just feel like nowadays, it's just
Speaker 2: it's just not that simple anymore.
Speaker 3: So I miss I missed those times.
Speaker 2: Where life was simple, or like going to the corner store.
Speaker 2: I got a dollar, I'm getting to scratch off. I'm
Speaker 2: hoping I'm a win twenty houses so I can eat,
Speaker 2: you know, like get some good that day to eat
Speaker 2: and the excitement of actually wanting things and being around
Speaker 2: genuine people.
Speaker 3: That's what I miss the most.
Speaker 5: You feel you get judged by the cover now, huh?
Speaker 1: For sure?
Speaker 2: Like my persona and who I am as a person
Speaker 2: is completely different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're nothing like what people when people see Amber roll.
Speaker 2: If you're nothing like that, I am the complete I
Speaker 2: couldn't be more opposite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't be more I'm just a nerd. I
Speaker 3: like to learn. I like to I like to be
Speaker 3: around people that can teach me things.
Speaker 2: And I think I just got pigeon held into a
Speaker 2: persona that made me money to support my family.
Speaker 1: You know, when obviously you didn't have siblings, but when
Speaker 1: you did you have friends? Were you friendly? Were you
Speaker 1: like where your tomboy? Were you girly girl? Did you
Speaker 1: have like Amber school, let's go play with her things
Speaker 1: like that? So what kind of like what did you
Speaker 1: do as a child?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was definitely loved.
Speaker 2: I feel like I always had a good personality. I'm
Speaker 2: very easy going. I'm a bit introverted, but I think
Speaker 2: like people think I come off as a bitch because
Speaker 2: I'm introverted, when you know, I do you know, like
Speaker 2: I came in here and I said hi to everyone.
Speaker 2: I am that person. But I only give the energy
Speaker 2: that people give me. So if I walk into a
Speaker 2: room and that energy is not positive, I'm probably just
Speaker 2: gonna be quiet and just chill and not really say much.
Speaker 2: But I definitely was loved. I had a lot of friends,
Speaker 2: and I was a tomboy as well. I played softball. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a softball girl. I would play wall ball with
Speaker 2: the boys, stickball in the street with like the half
Speaker 2: of tennis ball, you know, just real East Coast street
Speaker 2: games with the boys and stuff.
Speaker 3: But I was always feminine. But I'll play with the boys, right. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So how was your mom?
Speaker 1: How was was she a disciplinarian and did she let
Speaker 1: you kind of like do what you wanted to do?
Speaker 1: What was the relationship was the dynamic between you and
Speaker 1: your mom?
Speaker 2: Well it's tough because, like my mom's mom committed suicide
Speaker 2: when she was ten, and so my mom suffered severely
Speaker 2: from anxiety and depression most of my life.
Speaker 3: And so no, she wasn't a disciplinary.
Speaker 2: I feel like like I became her mom at a
Speaker 2: very young age, and I had to raise her and say, Mom,
Speaker 2: everything's going to be okay. You know, it's okay to cry,
Speaker 2: or how can I help you? Or what can I do? So, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's like almost like I became a mom at
Speaker 2: a young age.
Speaker 1: That's what I was about to ask. And I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to take a shot at your mom, but did
Speaker 1: you feel you had to raise yourself?
Speaker 2: I did, and I would say for many many years
Speaker 2: I resented my mom for that. But as I got older,
Speaker 2: I understood that being ten years old and seeing your
Speaker 2: mom commit suicide is is definitely not easy to live with,
Speaker 2: you know, and my mom suffered.
Speaker 3: She suffered for many years.
Speaker 1: You resent the fact that you didn't really get a
Speaker 1: chance to be a child, You didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to do things that you saw a lot of the
Speaker 1: other kids your age get an opportunity to do because
Speaker 1: you were being there. You were being there for your
Speaker 1: mom when normally moms are there for their.
Speaker 5: Kid, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like even when I had chials and tribulations
Speaker 2: in my life.
Speaker 3: I felt like that I couldn't burden my mom.
Speaker 2: With those things, and I had to just suck it
Speaker 2: up and be a g and just deal with it
Speaker 2: because I already knew that she had a lot on
Speaker 2: her plate emotionally that I didn't want to add to that,
Speaker 2: and so I just would just internalize it or deal
Speaker 2: with it by myself.
Speaker 1: When you when you got to high school, were you
Speaker 1: a popular kid? Very so you weren't like superlyve so
Speaker 1: most likely to succeed, best body, wittiest, best personality, so
Speaker 1: you wanted to so you were like you were that
Speaker 1: that girl? You were that girl.
Speaker 2: I definitely was popular when I got to high school,
Speaker 2: for sure. My boyfriend was like the head of the basketball. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know it was god vibe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So obviously it's hard looking at you naesthetically. Were
Speaker 1: girls jealous of you back then?
Speaker 3: I mean yes and no.
Speaker 2: Again, I had a lot of friends, but like the
Speaker 2: culture in Philly, it's.
Speaker 3: Like I don't like your dress.
Speaker 2: I want to fight you, and then you gotta be like, fuck,
Speaker 2: I gotta fight this girl, like you know, or it
Speaker 2: would just be like me you three o'clock, you up?
Speaker 2: And then in school you'd be like, it's twelve o'clock.
Speaker 2: You just know you gotta fight this at three, you know,
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, so like I never started fights,
Speaker 2: but I always had a fight, like for no reason
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 5: I mean, you a girly girl or were you tomboys girl?
Speaker 2: I was a girly girl, but I like sports, okay,
Speaker 2: So I was around the boys a lot, and the
Speaker 2: girls would be like, you know, they would think like
Speaker 2: their boyfriend or like somebody that they liked like me.
Speaker 2: But mind you, I'm I'm just like, I'm chilling. I'm
Speaker 2: not even thinking about boys and stuff in that way.
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Speaker 1: Why are you mad at me? Because he might have
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Speaker 5: Were your parents together?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you remember your pants being together in
Speaker 1: getting them or were they divorced before you remember anything
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: My father had me when he was nineteen and my
Speaker 2: mom was twenty three. Okay, but my dad just a
Speaker 2: poor white boy in Philly, grew up in foster care.
Speaker 3: His mom didn't really love him.
Speaker 2: He never knew his dad, and so when my mom
Speaker 2: got pregnant, he was like, I mean, the only option
Speaker 2: I have is to join the military. So he joined
Speaker 2: the military at nineteen and they ship my dad off.
Speaker 2: So most of my life my dad was gone serving
Speaker 2: our country. But it wasn't an ideal situation because I
Speaker 2: was mostly with my mom taking care of her, like
Speaker 2: mentally and emotionally.
Speaker 5: So do you hunger?
Speaker 1: How much do you know about your dad because you said,
Speaker 1: like nineteen, your mom got pregnant, he goes to the
Speaker 1: military to help support you. So are you were you
Speaker 1: familiar with your dad? What type of relationship did you
Speaker 1: have with your other?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean you got to think I'm forty one years old, right,
Speaker 2: so this is the nineties. Yes, So you can't just
Speaker 2: get on FaceTime when my dad's in Iraq.
Speaker 3: You know, you gotta.
Speaker 2: Wait for a letter, wait till you can he can
Speaker 2: get to a phone to call me, and hopefully I'm home.
Speaker 2: With the time difference, I might be at school, I
Speaker 2: miss the phone call or whatever. It wasn't that easy
Speaker 2: to stay in touch with him. But my dad loved me.
Speaker 2: He always loved me. It's just the circumstances up. But
Speaker 2: me and my father are closer than ever now.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did your mom ever say anything negative about your
Speaker 1: dad that he left and went to the military, that
Speaker 1: he wasn't there to help help her with you or
Speaker 1: did you understand the situation?
Speaker 3: My mom spoke very negatively about my dad. Yeah, she did. Sorry, mom,
Speaker 3: this is my story.
Speaker 2: I got to tell my school, okay, and I love
Speaker 2: my mom and again and now that I'm older, I
Speaker 2: do understand a lot more. Yeah, my mom would be
Speaker 2: like that motherfucker, don't come around.
Speaker 3: He da da da dah this and that.
Speaker 2: And now that I'm older, my dad's like, yo, I
Speaker 2: can't just leave Panama. I'm writing with Noriega, like I
Speaker 2: can't just get up and come. You know. It's a
Speaker 2: different time. And so now I do understand that dynamic.
Speaker 2: And I feel like maybe my mom didn't understand that
Speaker 2: right back in the day, you know, and maybe she
Speaker 2: understands it now. I haven't had a conversation with her
Speaker 2: about that. But for me, Shannon, I like to just
Speaker 2: move forward and just let's shit go.
Speaker 3: I don't want to dwell on all that stuff.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I've had resentment towards my dad initially, then I had
Speaker 2: resentment towards my mom later, and I just feel I'd
Speaker 2: just been in survival mode my whole life. And I'm tired.
Speaker 2: I really am tired because I become famous and I'm
Speaker 2: still in survival mode, you know, So yes, all the time,
Speaker 2: every day day. I just I mean, I just wish
Speaker 2: someday I could just I don't know, you seem tired,
Speaker 2: take a break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been fighting you feel you've been fighting your
Speaker 1: entire life and you just want I don't want to
Speaker 1: fight anymore. I had to fight girls when I was
Speaker 1: growing up. I had to take care of my mom.
Speaker 1: I had to fight, fight, fight, fight.
Speaker 5: Just one day. I just want to I just want
Speaker 5: to rely, just want to decompress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, imagine you're young. Excuse me, you're the only child.
Speaker 2: My stepfather was an alcoholic, so he would, you know,
Speaker 2: he would go on binges for weeks at a time,
Speaker 2: come back and I would get you know, I grew
Speaker 2: up in a one bedroom apartment with my mom one bathroom,
Speaker 2: you know, we were poor, and I would get up
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night to use the bathroom
Speaker 2: and he would just be drunk on the toilet, passed out,
Speaker 2: just like that. And it's like, I gotta do what
Speaker 2: I gotta do to get out of here, you know.
Speaker 2: And I started very young, thinking like taking the train
Speaker 2: up to New York, trying to make connections, try to
Speaker 2: get signed to modeling agencies, just trying to do everything
Speaker 2: I can to make enough money to get out.
Speaker 5: So is this where the exotic dancing came in at?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely so.
Speaker 5: I mean I think I'm started at fifteen.
Speaker 2: Well, I yes, that was the first time I danced.
Speaker 2: I was fifteen years old, and granted my parents did
Speaker 2: not know.
Speaker 1: Of course, how do you pull that off? Because don't
Speaker 1: they normally? I d or, man, you just look very
Speaker 1: mature for your age.
Speaker 3: Well, I just went to the check cash and place
Speaker 3: and just got a fake ID. Like it was just like.
Speaker 2: They're giving out fake id's okay, I'm on my way.
Speaker 2: Like it was like, you know, but I'll be honest.
Speaker 2: I used to like, I used to like weigh crack
Speaker 2: rocks for this drug deal. I'm not gonna mention his name,
Speaker 2: but I used to weigh the crack and I in
Speaker 2: bags and I said, he used to throw me money.
Speaker 2: But then I went to him, I'm like, I have
Speaker 2: to make more money because me and my mom became
Speaker 2: homeless because my stepfather was a construction worker but also
Speaker 2: an alcoholic.
Speaker 5: So he would they missed too many Mondays or they
Speaker 5: gonna let you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he would do like he would do estimates
Speaker 2: all around these neighborhoods and then he wouldn't finish the job.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, So then he would take the money
Speaker 2: and go get drunk or whatever. And we got evicted
Speaker 2: when I was like fifteen years old and I had
Speaker 2: nowhere to go, so I started staying at my friend's house.
Speaker 2: But then her mom was like, you need to put
Speaker 2: up some money for food, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 2: have no money, right, I'm fifteen years old, don't have
Speaker 2: no money. So I would like sometimes I would get
Speaker 2: like fifty cent or like a quarter or something. I
Speaker 2: go get a chicken wing for a corner at the
Speaker 2: corner of Chinese store. I get a chicken wing or something,
Speaker 2: maybe some fried rice if I had like a dollar
Speaker 2: fifty or something. But yeah, so we got evicted and
Speaker 2: then Shannon I tried to sell crack bro I tried.
Speaker 2: I did it for like two hours, and I was
Speaker 2: so scared.
Speaker 3: Dealing with these people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 3: And I was like, yo, I cannot do this. I can't.
Speaker 3: I want them Like.
Speaker 2: In my mind, I'm like, you see the money I
Speaker 2: meant surviving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to get out.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure my life out and I'm young
Speaker 2: and I don't have no family, right, so you know.
Speaker 2: Then I ran into some girls and they were like,
Speaker 2: you're pretty, you can come make money over here, and
Speaker 2: it just was not my personality at all, and I
Speaker 2: just I felt like, what else am I going to do?
Speaker 2: I can't go work at McDonald's, but it's not enough money.
Speaker 5: So let me ask give you this.
Speaker 1: I had cash doll on and she said when she
Speaker 1: first I think she was in her teens. Also when
Speaker 1: she first started, what is the mindset that you have
Speaker 1: to get in to go do that? Because she said, hey,
Speaker 1: I had to take a couple of shots get my
Speaker 1: mind right to know that all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: have to take my clothes off in front of strange man.
Speaker 1: Taking your clothes off in front of your man is
Speaker 1: one thing. Taking your clothes off in a building everybody
Speaker 1: watching is something entirely different. So what was the mindset
Speaker 1: that amber Rose had to get in and says, you're
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen at this time, what was the mindset that
Speaker 1: you had to go to to say if I can
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about it, Shannon. I just knew
Speaker 2: that I had to make money to eat, get my
Speaker 2: mom an apartment, and figure it out. I never drank.
Speaker 2: I never did a drug in my life. To this day,
Speaker 2: I've never tried coke Molly. People would be like, how
Speaker 2: did you marry?
Speaker 3: What's khalif?
Speaker 2: And you never smoke weed? I don't smoke weed. I
Speaker 2: just was a laser focused.
Speaker 3: On making money. And I don't know where cash all.
Speaker 2: Worked, but where I worked, it was only topless. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't I've never danced nude.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 5: So you kept the bottom.
Speaker 2: Zone, yes, okay, kept the bottoms on, so it was
Speaker 2: just topless. I was like, I mean, once you see
Speaker 2: a pair of titties, you've seen them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah yah yeah, I don't know if you.
Speaker 5: Did yeah, I think football.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, never. I've never danced nude ever, no never.
Speaker 3: So yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's like once you get into the dressing room
Speaker 2: with the girls and everyone has there, yeah, you're just
Speaker 2: you become desensitized.
Speaker 3: You're like, it's really not a big deal.
Speaker 2: It's not like a huge reveal where the guys are like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's you know, so did you.
Speaker 5: Make a lot of money? You make good?
Speaker 1: I mean so, so your first night working you go
Speaker 1: in there, You're like, Okay, I got to do this.
Speaker 1: There is no other option. I don't have any family.
Speaker 1: I can lean on my mom, really needs me to
Speaker 1: come through. You're fifteen, sixteen years of age. How much
Speaker 1: money did you make the first night? And were you
Speaker 1: hooked from that point on?
Speaker 3: Thirty three dollars, I'll never forget three.
Speaker 5: You about have came up better going to McDonald's.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, three dollars, yes.
Speaker 1: Well, how much was the dance? A dollar?
Speaker 2: I didn't do no dances. I was too scared. I
Speaker 2: was too scared, Shannon. I just was not that girl.
Speaker 2: I felt like I had to be there and I
Speaker 2: went on stage and this was one.
Speaker 3: Of those It was it more of a gentleman's club,
Speaker 3: like a make a ring club.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the guys was like giving me little one.
Speaker 5: Yes, they talking a buck, Yeah, took a buck.
Speaker 3: I made thirty three dollars, thirty three.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll never forget the number, because I was like,
Speaker 2: at least I get to eat.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, You're like, ok, if you make thirty three dollars, now,
Speaker 1: that's not a big incentive, am, But to come back
Speaker 1: the next night. I'm just saying, I just see if
Speaker 1: you made a five or you made five hundred, you
Speaker 1: made two fifty, yeah, thousand dollars. Absolutely, I'm coming back
Speaker 1: thirty three dollars. But somehow you're like, I got to
Speaker 1: go back.
Speaker 3: Yes, I even got junks and everything at the club for.
Speaker 1: Thirty three dollars.
Speaker 2: Not that nice, okay, but I got so they took
Speaker 2: your money. Hell no, they didn't take my money. Okay, No,
Speaker 2: they didn't take my money.
Speaker 1: So why would you get jumped because you order you
Speaker 1: the prettiest girl in the club.
Speaker 2: I got jumped because there was stages, right, and you
Speaker 2: know when you get called to stage, then you got
Speaker 2: to go to the next stage and a new girl
Speaker 2: comes up and it's like a rotation. Yes, so I
Speaker 2: this girl went up before me, and she was doing
Speaker 2: all these tricks and splits and stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: I was never that dancer. I was always very sensual
Speaker 2: and sexy. That's the type of dancer I was. So
Speaker 2: she got up and I think they were like Africans,
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, and they just had stacks and
Speaker 2: stacks and stacks of money at this one stage, Shannon,
Speaker 2: they didn't.
Speaker 3: Give her a dollar. They didn't give this girl a dollar.
Speaker 2: So it was my turn to get on stage, and
Speaker 2: it was a tsunami as soon as I stepped foot
Speaker 2: on that stage. It was crazy and she got mad
Speaker 2: at me. What and she is so she so she
Speaker 2: was bullying me and then we go into the dressing
Speaker 2: room and she's like, mm hmm, I want to think they.
Speaker 3: Better they cute.
Speaker 2: Just I was like, girl, you're obviously talking about me, Like,
Speaker 2: just say it to me, right. I was in the Bronx.
Speaker 2: I was like, who's rendezvous at the time, and uh.
Speaker 2: One of her friends was like, don't talk to her
Speaker 2: like that. And I'm like, oh, are about the jump,
Speaker 2: you know? And then I said, you know, you shut
Speaker 2: it up because I felt like if I don't you know,
Speaker 2: I'm from Philly. If I don't do this, I can't
Speaker 2: come back and make money, I can't let these bully me,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, they wind up jumping me. But the
Speaker 3: girl that started everything didn't even jump in. We didn't
Speaker 3: even fight. It was it was her friends that jumped
Speaker 3: me in what was.
Speaker 5: Your stage name?
Speaker 1: Paris coming to the stage all the way from Philly.
Speaker 1: Let's give it up for Paris.
Speaker 3: You know, I was Paris before Paris Hillton.
Speaker 2: He's gonna say that, yeah, because I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be Paris.
Speaker 5: So you so, how long how long were your exotic dancer?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: Oh god, probably five seven years?
Speaker 1: Five years. But so you had to be making some
Speaker 1: good money, did you after why?
Speaker 3: I was, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: You was the girl that they came back. They requested, man,
Speaker 1: where's Paris? I'm looking for Paris?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: So were you like, how many nights a week would
Speaker 1: you work? Two nights a week, three nights a week,
Speaker 1: five nights.
Speaker 2: I would work all the time. Sometimes I'll do doubles,
Speaker 2: sometimes I'll do day shifts.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I mean normally the girls that day shift.
Speaker 3: They don't be like that now exactly.
Speaker 1: Why make money? Yeah, you're the baddest breaking the powerm
Speaker 1: oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Because you know, like the businessmen will come on their
Speaker 2: lunch break. Yeah, and yeah, I would make I would
Speaker 2: make money.
Speaker 5: You get an apartment? You're doing well?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you know, like, I'm just doing this temporarily. This
Speaker 1: is not gonna I'm not going to make this a career.
Speaker 1: So what was your thought? PROB said, So what would you?
Speaker 1: Did you have an exit plan?
Speaker 3: I did, so.
Speaker 2: I moved to New York. Well, so when I was
Speaker 2: going up to New York and I was trying to
Speaker 2: get signed to a modeling agency. And what's crazy is.
Speaker 3: That Channing Tatum before he was famous.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we both weren't famous, but he was like
Speaker 2: dating some girl that I knew and we all became
Speaker 2: friends or whatever.
Speaker 3: And he was an exotic dancer.
Speaker 2: So I was like, chan can you get me some
Speaker 2: appointments up in New York. I'm tall, I'm slim at
Speaker 2: the time, and I had kids and now I filled
Speaker 2: out a little bit. So I'm like, can you give
Speaker 2: me some appointments at modeling agencies? And he was like
Speaker 2: of course. So I would go up there and I
Speaker 2: had hair at the time, and they were like, no, no, no, girl,
Speaker 2: You're never going to be a model. It's never going
Speaker 2: to happen for you. And make a very long story short.
Speaker 2: I went back to Philly and I was like, you know, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm a pretty girl, but all the girls are pretty
Speaker 2: that are going up there, They're all beautiful girls. How
Speaker 2: can I stand out? And I went to the barbershop
Speaker 2: and I said, just go down the middle. I don't care,
Speaker 2: just shave this off. Really, yes, you cut.
Speaker 1: All the I'm assuming because you're biracial, your father's while
Speaker 1: your mom is black. Correct, Yes, So I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, and I am I have a lot of hair.
Speaker 5: Forgive me for being presumptuous. Those gorgeous locks.
Speaker 3: You just shaved them, shaved it off, shaved it off.
Speaker 2: And I said, you know what, I don't because I
Speaker 2: used to put my hair in a ponytail, a low ponytail,
Speaker 2: and look from the side and I was say, it
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 3: Looks like I have a nice shaped head.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, you definitely have. You definitely have the
Speaker 1: head that you can pull it off.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: So you know, I took a gamble and and I won,
Speaker 2: and I got signed to Ford Models out of New York.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't a famous model. I was just I
Speaker 2: just got signed, so I still wasn't like this famous model.
Speaker 3: I still had to work, started to make money.
Speaker 2: I was sending money back to Philly for my mom.
Speaker 3: And I just tried everything. And then oh and then
Speaker 3: this lady.
Speaker 2: Comes into SU's rendezvous and she's like, you should do
Speaker 2: music videos, damn. And I was like, I'm a real model.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing.
Speaker 3: Just my ego right.
Speaker 2: Talking okay, And she was like, no, it's all expenses
Speaker 2: paid and you get paid like one thousand dollars and
Speaker 2: you get like a pre damn to eat and you know,
Speaker 2: get a hotel and everything. So I was like, get
Speaker 2: I'll do it. And then my first video was a
Speaker 2: young jeezy I put on from my city.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I had hair because I would like wear
Speaker 2: hair to the strip club because when I modeled, I
Speaker 2: was ballheaded.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So so at what age did you cut
Speaker 1: your hair? Eighteen eighteen? And so this is kind of
Speaker 1: the look that you've had since you were eighteen, twenty
Speaker 1: two years, since twenty two years. Yeah, you don't miss it.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: You're gonna let it grow back?
Speaker 3: You're not, probably not, probably not. I don't.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just like it's.
Speaker 5: Your look now. I mean it's kind of like you
Speaker 5: see Amber Rolle.
Speaker 1: You expect to see the low haircut and I don't
Speaker 1: want to say ball here, but you expect to see
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I throw a wig
Speaker 2: on everything. But you know what it's like, I almost
Speaker 2: look worse with like wigs. It's so weird.
Speaker 5: People recognize you with a wig.
Speaker 3: They do. They'll be like, girl, if you don't take
Speaker 3: that wig off.
Speaker 1: Okay, the lady comes in she says, you know what
Speaker 1: you ought to do.
Speaker 5: You ought to do music videos.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm a real model, but anyway, you give
Speaker 1: it a try, you do it for a thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: And then yes, so I do that, and then she
Speaker 2: calls me back for another Young Jeezy video vacation, but
Speaker 2: again at the strip club.
Speaker 3: I'm wearing a wig.
Speaker 2: So then she calls me back for a Ludacris and
Speaker 2: Chris Brown video. I know what them girls like and
Speaker 2: I said, well, her name is Margot.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Margo.
Speaker 2: I said, Margo, you know I got like this buzz
Speaker 2: cut underneath this wig I've been wearing. Do you think
Speaker 2: like maybe the next video I do, like I can
Speaker 2: rock my short haircut. And she was like video girls
Speaker 2: don't have short haircuts. Amber like, it's just not a thing, right,
Speaker 2: And I said, well, can I just send a picture
Speaker 2: maybe maybe they might try it, you know. So she
Speaker 2: sent it to Chris Robinson, the video director, and he's like, yo.
Speaker 3: Fly her out.
Speaker 2: And I became one of the main girls in that video.
Speaker 2: It was my first time in LA so I was
Speaker 2: really excited and that video is really what changed my life.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I read you once got paid one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: For a music video? Is that true? No, what's the
Speaker 5: most you ever made in the music video?
Speaker 3: Twenty five thousand?
Speaker 5: Is that normal or was that excessive?
Speaker 3: Well, I was already famous.
Speaker 2: I think Future gave me twenty five thousand, or mask Off,
Speaker 2: I think he gave me twenty five thousand. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then I think I did fabulous his music video. You'd
Speaker 2: be killing them. I think he gave me like fifteen thousand.
Speaker 2: But really, at that time, I just thought it was cool,
Speaker 2: Like they were like my home music say.
Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all come through and do a video.
Speaker 1: It's not a problem because I did music videos with Future,
Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj's Young, j Z, fam Luda Breezey, Kanye Wherez
Speaker 1: and Mary Mary two of these guys. You end up
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that. What's your best experience in
Speaker 1: the music video? So just meeting the guys and like, damn,
Speaker 1: they really cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was very surprised with Future because he comes off
Speaker 2: very toxic, but like we haven't seen where. We're like
Speaker 2: in the car, like driving together, and he's just a
Speaker 2: really nice, well spoken guy. Like I could see why
Speaker 2: girls date Future, okay, because I'll see it online and
Speaker 2: they'll be like, girl, you dan in future, you know
Speaker 2: how future. But when I did this video with him,
Speaker 2: I was like, he's actually really nice. And you know,
Speaker 2: my friend China dated him, right, But yeah, he's just
Speaker 2: a well spoken, very professional, nice guy.
Speaker 5: What's the worst part of doing music videos?
Speaker 2: I'm when I come on set, I'm very professional. I'm
Speaker 2: not drinking, I'm not doing nothing. I'm waiting for my
Speaker 2: turn or waiting.
Speaker 3: To get called. That's just that's just how I move.
Speaker 3: So I've always had a pleasant experience.
Speaker 1: So what is there anything that people their perception of
Speaker 1: music videos that's not reality?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: What does the public don't get about music videos?
Speaker 3: I think it depends on the artist.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, because again, Chris Brown, Young, Geezy, Future, fabulous,
Speaker 2: they were all very professional with everybody that was there,
Speaker 2: so I didn't have a bad experience. I can't speak
Speaker 2: for other artists, you know, I don't know what they
Speaker 2: do on set, but these guys were always great.
Speaker 5: I read.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true or not that Nicki
Speaker 1: Minaj helped you get your following me up by shouting
Speaker 1: you out that you got gained like a ton of followers.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I called her and I said, girl, I
Speaker 2: needed I just signed up for Twitter. Can you give
Speaker 2: me a shout out? And she was like hell yeah,
Speaker 2: and then she did it. I was just went at
Speaker 2: Nikki's house the other day. Yeah, we're still We're still
Speaker 2: good friends, you know.
Speaker 5: So you got a cool relationship with her, Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, video Vixen's that's is that the m that's the
Speaker 1: term that some of you, some of you young ladies get.
Speaker 1: You look at Melissa Ford and Karen Stephen's and Buffy
Speaker 1: the Body, Gloria Bellez, Black China, Eric Manena.
Speaker 5: Is that a? Is that an enduring term? Or you're like,
Speaker 5: now we end up we just well.
Speaker 2: That's a part of my resume. Okay, I'm not a
Speaker 2: video of Vixen now, but I was.
Speaker 3: I was. Yeah, and it was a fun time really yeah,
Speaker 3: hell yeah it was fun.
Speaker 5: Did you did you work with any of these ones
Speaker 5: that I mentioned?
Speaker 3: I did not. I haven't had the pleasure. Now, wow,
Speaker 3: would you do a little before my time?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah I came after those girls.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, my bad.
Speaker 3: Uh oh not just playing, No, shade to the girls.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I didn't mean it like that.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that they're a general They're like with
Speaker 2: Cisco and like I was still young with like Drew
Speaker 2: Hill and Cisco and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I read that John Legend said that I sat down
Speaker 1: with John Legend as a matter of fact, this very
Speaker 1: building here, and it was talking about that he had
Speaker 1: a shot a video.
Speaker 5: That's how he ended up meeting his wife, Christy Tigan.
Speaker 1: Obviously you went on a video a couple of video
Speaker 1: shoots and you ended up meeting your future partners. Is
Speaker 1: that when you go on the shoot, you was like,
Speaker 1: I'm keeping it professional, yes, or at least you try to.
Speaker 1: Is that the goal of some women like go on
Speaker 1: decess and maybe try to get with the guy.
Speaker 3: That's I'm sure women do that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure plenty of women do that. That's personally not me.
Speaker 2: But it's crazy because you're referring to Kanye when I
Speaker 2: did his video. Yes, okay, well he flew me out
Speaker 2: to do RoboCop video because he was like, you look
Speaker 2: like a robot. I think this would be cool, right,
Speaker 2: And I said absolutely, I'll doube. You're Kanye West. Of
Speaker 2: course I'll come out shoot the video. It would be
Speaker 2: an honor. And I come out and shoot the I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I go to LA and we're like hanging out.
Speaker 2: That night, i meet him and he's on another video
Speaker 2: set and I'm like, okay, so what time should.
Speaker 3: I be ready? Tomorrow morning? Is the cardon?
Speaker 2: You know? So I'm so used to like these other
Speaker 2: videos I've done before that, and he's like, no, not
Speaker 2: just chill. We're going to figure it out.
Speaker 3: I'll just you know. So I'm like okay.
Speaker 2: So then a day goes by, Then another day goes by,
Speaker 2: we're going out to dinners.
Speaker 3: Oh we're going We're going like, you know, you're.
Speaker 1: Doing everything but shooting the video, and yes, I'm doing everything.
Speaker 3: We're shooting a video.
Speaker 2: Some like Kanye, you know, like only like one outfit,
Speaker 2: because that's what I was used to. You flying, you
Speaker 2: do the video, you have an outfit to get back
Speaker 2: on the airplane and go home. He's like, you don't
Speaker 2: need no outfit. Don't even worry about it. I got you.
Speaker 3: So I'm like okay.
Speaker 2: So then he's so then we go out to dinner
Speaker 2: and he this is like the fourth fifth day I'm
Speaker 2: there and he's like, hey, do you want to I
Speaker 2: know this is crazy, but do you want to come
Speaker 2: to the Grammys with me? And I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, yes, like this, you know it sounds fun.
Speaker 2: So we went to the Grammys and then you know me,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm so young, Shannon, I'm like, are we
Speaker 2: still doing this video? I did not realize I got
Speaker 2: flown out.
Speaker 1: O hell, I'm sitting here. I didn't realize you got flown.
Speaker 3: I was so green.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that he really flew me out because
Speaker 2: he saw me in the ideo right and you know, hot,
Speaker 2: and then he flew me out.
Speaker 3: But I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Were you at the video when he jumped on the
Speaker 1: stage with Taylor?
Speaker 3: Yes, you called that. I did not. I did not
Speaker 3: call that.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you a question. Okay, day one
Speaker 1: go by, you're in shoot no video. Day two go by.
Speaker 1: He like, Bro, I understand, we going to dinner things,
Speaker 1: but Bro, I need to make money. Did you ever
Speaker 1: did that? Thought like, hold on, I'm not here and
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm going to these nice restaurants, but that
Speaker 1: ain't putting no money in my pocket.
Speaker 2: Well you have to think, Shannon, like it's still Kanye West,
Speaker 2: and he's very nice to me, and he's not being
Speaker 2: fresh with me or nothing, being very respectful and nice.
Speaker 5: See that's that nineties talking fresh.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So like he you know, he was. He was very charming.
Speaker 2: So I was having a good time. But once I realized,
Speaker 2: you know, so anyway, we go to the Grammy, Right,
Speaker 2: I called my mom. I said, Mom, Kanye invited me
Speaker 2: to the Grammys. Like I just I'm flabbergasted. I don't know,
Speaker 2: Like she's like, baby, just go have a good time,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: So little did I know.
Speaker 2: The same day I called my mom was the same
Speaker 2: day my aunt died. It was my favorite person in
Speaker 2: the whole world. It's my mom's sister, right, and she
Speaker 2: died of an overdose. But so I call Kanye because
Speaker 2: I'm at the hotel and I guess he's at home,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I have to leave.
Speaker 2: I have to go back to Philly and my aunt died,
Speaker 2: and he was like, I'll go with you.
Speaker 3: I'll come with you. I don't care. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm like.
Speaker 2: Kanye, you can't come with me because the funeral is
Speaker 2: going to be all about you being there. Let me
Speaker 2: just go handle my stuff. I'll just call you. And
Speaker 2: he's like, okay, okay. So I go and I go
Speaker 2: to my aunt's funeral and he's checking on me every hour, Shannon,
Speaker 2: every hour's checking on me.
Speaker 3: And mind you this.
Speaker 2: We didn't have sex, we didn't kiss, we didn't hug,
Speaker 2: we didn't do nothing. Like I flew out to do
Speaker 2: a music video. He's take me out to dinner. But
Speaker 2: that was about it. So long story short, the funerals.
Speaker 2: Over a couple of days go by, he calls me
Speaker 2: and he's just like, I know this is crazy, but
Speaker 2: like you should just come out here and just be
Speaker 2: with me. Just move to LA and just come and
Speaker 2: be with me, like I'd been thinking about you every day. Wow,
Speaker 2: And I just think we should try it. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I got to go back to the Bronx and get
Speaker 2: all my stuff out out of my apartment.
Speaker 3: He's all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I'll get you all brand new stuff. You don't need nothing.
Speaker 2: So I left all my in the Bronx.
Speaker 3: I left everything I had, and he got me everything
Speaker 3: brand new.
Speaker 5: Somebody got some good stuff up in the Bronx, hun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got some cool ain't as school as but
Speaker 3: Kanye brought me.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Shannon, I did not know. I just did
Speaker 2: not know. So when people are like, oh, Kanye found
Speaker 2: her at the strip club, he didn't even know I
Speaker 2: was a dancer. And so I went back to La
Speaker 2: to be with him. I was like, by the way
Speaker 2: I was dancing, and he was like, I don't give
Speaker 2: a shit about that, Like, I just want to be
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 3: So he was very charming.
Speaker 2: That's why I fell in love with Kanye because it
Speaker 2: was really amazing at the time.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Kanye. So first dates, give me, give me
Speaker 1: a kind of like a timeline, like a first date.
Speaker 5: High should line up?
Speaker 1: Okay, I see some you see somebody Because this studies say,
Speaker 1: now nobody ask anybody on a date in person.
Speaker 5: Basically it's dming. It's you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Third party a my homeboy or my homegirl saw you,
Speaker 1: or they want to know can they get you? You know,
Speaker 1: give me your ig, don't nobody's passed out, no numbers anymore.
Speaker 5: You can hit me on ig things like that.
Speaker 1: So if someone were to ask, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to be disrespectful, So if you're in a relationship, I apologize.
Speaker 3: I'm very much single.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just what's the best way to go about
Speaker 1: asking Amber.
Speaker 5: Rolls out on a date?
Speaker 3: Just ask me. I might actually say yes, because no
Speaker 3: one talks to me ever. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: You know, people will be like, you know, how did
Speaker 2: Nick Cannon get Mariah? And it's like he got Mariah
Speaker 2: because he actually asked and he wasn't intimidated because she
Speaker 2: was Mariah carried, you know, and you gotta think somebody
Speaker 2: like Mariah or even me.
Speaker 3: I know I'm not Mariah.
Speaker 2: You might say, yeah, but they just are so they're
Speaker 2: scared of the rejection that so many months go by
Speaker 2: where no one tries to talk to us, and then we're.
Speaker 5: Just what's wrong with me? Just like.
Speaker 1: With y'all. So you like a confident man, You like
Speaker 1: a man to walk up on you say, excuse me?
Speaker 5: Can I take you to lunch? Can I take you
Speaker 5: to gain? You know?
Speaker 1: Not like to climb?
Speaker 5: Lord have mers? You got to give me in trouble.
Speaker 1: But so, but you like, you like a man with
Speaker 1: confidence that's not put off because there's not there's not
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable in saying this. I don't think there
Speaker 1: are very many people that can that's gonna walk up
Speaker 1: on you and not know who you are. But a
Speaker 1: lot of times people get intimidated by the men that
Speaker 1: you dated. She dated Kanye, she dated a wiz, she
Speaker 1: dated Sam and so they like automatically. Yeah, So let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. You cool with a dude
Speaker 1: that's that's not on that level.
Speaker 3: As far as what like, either famous or financially Yes.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, Look, you're doing good for yourself. I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be with somebody that ain't doing as good
Speaker 1: as me. I need you to be due at least
Speaker 1: as good as me, if not better, better, it's better.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, could it be someone that's not famous
Speaker 1: quote unquote of.
Speaker 2: Course, yeah, they don't have to be famous at all,
Speaker 2: but they they.
Speaker 5: They gotta have to be rich.
Speaker 3: They have to be rich for sure.
Speaker 1: So you go out, So what's so? How's because it's
Speaker 1: interesting to see because you know, you think you how
Speaker 1: I would talk to someone that's not famous versus someone
Speaker 1: that is famous.
Speaker 5: You're trying to like, Okay, when a n actuality is
Speaker 5: still a.
Speaker 1: Woman and they like pretty much a lot of the
Speaker 1: same things. So I can have a normal you could
Speaker 1: a guy can have a normal conversation, correct.
Speaker 3: Right, exactly. So there was this guy, it was like
Speaker 3: two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: He went to his manager and asked about me. If
Speaker 2: his manager knew someone that knew me to get in
Speaker 2: contact with me, right.
Speaker 5: You're doing too much bro.
Speaker 3: So he did all that.
Speaker 2: So I finally get on the phone. I'm like, why
Speaker 2: didn't you just DM me? And he was like, I
Speaker 2: just feel like you got so many dms.
Speaker 5: You ain't gonna see me.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna see And I said, I have no dms.
Speaker 2: My dms are so dry. Men are terrified of me, Shannon,
Speaker 2: even when I go on dates, like their handshake and
Speaker 2: I'm just like.
Speaker 3: Why.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, are you okay being because
Speaker 1: the thing is Amber the thing of people? I think
Speaker 1: sometimes the like the public, the publicity, what comes along
Speaker 1: with Amber Rose. Are you okay not being dating publicly?
Speaker 1: I prefer that okay, because you.
Speaker 5: Know you date public, you got to break up public.
Speaker 3: I made those.
Speaker 2: Mistakes throughout the years. I don't I'm not even concerned
Speaker 2: with that anymore.
Speaker 1: But when gods slide to your DM, do I mean,
Speaker 1: do they like I would like to get to know you?
Speaker 1: How do you? How do you differentiate, how do you like?
Speaker 5: Okay, you serious?
Speaker 1: Oh you man, you're going to bull jobs and so
Speaker 1: forth to So how do you how do you determine.
Speaker 5: What are you going to entertain and what you're gonna
Speaker 5: mark the red?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not based off the first conversation on the phone.
Speaker 2: If you're stupid. I'm very attracted to like I'm attracted
Speaker 2: to articulate, smart men that have like a soothing energy
Speaker 2: but still very masculine and strong. I need all of
Speaker 2: those components to make me feel safe around you. So
Speaker 2: if I get on the phone with you and you're like, yo,
Speaker 2: what up? Shauty, what up? I'm going to be like this,
Speaker 2: ain't it. It's not it. It's not it.
Speaker 1: You mentioned like you want someone that's obviously financially secure,
Speaker 1: So what is this? What about fifty to fifty relationships?
Speaker 1: You ain't You ain't trying to hear that?
Speaker 5: Bruh. You asked me out come on with it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially on the date. I'm not paying for no date.
Speaker 2: I'm not paying for no date. Okay, I'm not Like,
Speaker 2: if I I'm in a committed relationship with someone, why
Speaker 2: do I have to pay the bills?
Speaker 3: That's insane.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not so no bills.
Speaker 2: I'm I can pay for my cell phone bill because
Speaker 2: it's like already like set up, Like I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: be like let me take my credit card off and
Speaker 2: put yours on.
Speaker 3: I'm not an ass, but you know, I mean just.
Speaker 2: Realistically, I don't like, I don't even know how that
Speaker 2: would work. I've never experienced.
Speaker 5: Have you ever paid for a date? Have you a guy?
Speaker 1: Have you ever taken a guy out and paid for
Speaker 1: his date, been paid for them, you know, brought to
Speaker 1: you know, the meal, the check came and you're like, babe,
Speaker 1: I got this.
Speaker 2: Or if it was my man, yes, for sure, I'll
Speaker 2: do that. That's not a problem. But if it's just
Speaker 2: a date and I'm getting to know the person.
Speaker 1: No, do you want to share bank accounts or you're okay,
Speaker 1: like you got your own? I got my own. I
Speaker 1: know you're gonna take care of me like that. Or
Speaker 1: do you need to be have a You guys need
Speaker 1: to have a joint bank account, even if you if
Speaker 1: you're married. I understand that because I think everybody if
Speaker 1: you're married, have a joint bank account. You got your
Speaker 1: bank account, I got my bank account. But what about
Speaker 1: just dating? We're not married.
Speaker 3: No, I don't want to see that's too invasive. Okay,
Speaker 3: yeah I don't. I don't need that.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I don't need that.
Speaker 5: Marriage. You want to get married again.
Speaker 3: If I find the right person, But I'm not kid
Speaker 3: one more kid? Do I want another baby? Daddy? Is
Speaker 3: the question?
Speaker 5: Because you told me I think you you want you
Speaker 5: want a girl? Right? You want to? You got two boys?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't mind another boy.
Speaker 5: What about a daughter?
Speaker 1: You don't want to I'm good, you're a friend, he
Speaker 1: might be like big, you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm actually I love my boys.
Speaker 2: I'm very much a boy's mom, so I'm so used
Speaker 2: to that that I don't even know what I would
Speaker 2: do with a girl, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: But I would have to get.
Speaker 2: A Sarah Gate because I was telling you before we started,
Speaker 2: I have tears in my spinal cord from pregnancy. So
Speaker 2: I have to get like epidoro steroids shots and stuff.
Speaker 2: And once I get those, I'm like running around like
Speaker 2: a teenager.
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 2: But to go through that like again with my body
Speaker 2: and carrying a baby in my body, I can I
Speaker 2: go through that again?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, gifts. What's the best gift you've ever received?
Speaker 3: I don't get gifts.
Speaker 1: Stop this dam and I see now see how you
Speaker 1: see putting on?
Speaker 5: We would do it good.
Speaker 1: I thought you was courteous, receptive to courtesy, and now
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me and nobody know about you no gifts.
Speaker 3: They don't buy me gifts. They don't buy me gifts.
Speaker 1: They don't buy you no gifts anymore, or they have
Speaker 1: never bought you gifts.
Speaker 2: I never really like, I never like men have taken
Speaker 2: me shopping. For sure, I go shopping, but as far
Speaker 2: as like I was thinking about you and I got
Speaker 2: you this.
Speaker 3: No, really, I'm telling you you know.
Speaker 2: When I was at home and I was thinking about
Speaker 2: this interview, I'm like, people are gonna think that I'm
Speaker 2: a liar, Yes, but I really just always had bad luck.
Speaker 2: Like I just feel like my whole life has just
Speaker 2: been bad luck. And I had some cool happen, but
Speaker 2: for the most part, I don't know. I just never
Speaker 2: really had I.
Speaker 3: Mean, maybe a Christmas gift, I don't know.
Speaker 2: No, I see girls on Instagram and it's like my
Speaker 2: boyfriend just bought me a g wagon.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I never got that ever.
Speaker 5: Wow, yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1: But how would you feel like or you start dating
Speaker 1: because I think you know, once you start leading with money,
Speaker 1: there's an expectation that that's the continuation and that's the
Speaker 1: way it should be. So I mean, so what's your
Speaker 1: expectations you get in.
Speaker 3: I don't leave with money.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They leave, you know, lead
Speaker 1: with money. I don't expect you to. But I'm saying
Speaker 1: of a guy.
Speaker 3: Oh, I hear what you're saying. I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, here's the thing. I won't just date a
Speaker 2: man because he has money. Okay, if that's the case,
Speaker 2: I could have been married a billionaire already. I need
Speaker 2: to want to have sex with you. I need to
Speaker 2: want to snuggle up with you. I need to want
Speaker 2: to not eat until I eat with you. That's what
Speaker 2: I love. I'm a lover girl.
Speaker 3: Oh uh.
Speaker 2: You know, if we're watching the series, I'm not finna
Speaker 2: watch the next episode without you. That's the type of
Speaker 2: person I am. So I can't just be with a
Speaker 2: guy just because he has money.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: It has to be a full package, which is why
Speaker 2: I've been single for the past two years.
Speaker 3: It's because I just won't. I just won't settle.
Speaker 2: I just won't settle for something that's not genuinely gonna
Speaker 2: make me excited.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I mean, it's not like you got
Speaker 1: a wheelhouse type of guy. I mean with this six
Speaker 1: four you got Kanye looks order, I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: you'd be I.
Speaker 3: Dated white man, I dated black man. I did. I
Speaker 3: don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't really have a preference and looks Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't. I just I like Korean men too, like
Speaker 2: I like the Yeah, like the the k pop.
Speaker 1: They're like cute athletes.
Speaker 5: I don't know about. You dated an athlete.
Speaker 3: Before I dated one was a l I don't want
Speaker 3: to talk about.
Speaker 1: But I was.
Speaker 2: Going through a divorce. It don't count. But I did
Speaker 2: in Monte Morris, that was my boyfriend for a while.
Speaker 3: We're actually still very close.
Speaker 2: And I'm close with his family and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but as friends, we haven't been together for a very
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 5: What about football player getting a football guy? Know what's
Speaker 5: wrong with them?
Speaker 3: They're a little you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I tried.
Speaker 5: I tried. I tried to get y'all leave, but he like.
Speaker 3: Crazy, So no, it's okay. So it's not that.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know what's Shannon, I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 2: with you. If I get on the phone with you
Speaker 2: and you you try to love bombing and then all
Speaker 2: you talk about is sex, I'm gonna block you very
Speaker 2: early on in the conversations.
Speaker 3: And I feel like with.
Speaker 2: A lot of athletes, they're very sexual all the time,
Speaker 2: and it's like, can we just chop it up and
Speaker 2: laugh and just go to.
Speaker 3: The movies and to eat. Like, just like men have groupies,
Speaker 3: I have groupies too.
Speaker 2: So when it gets too convenient and too easy, I'm
Speaker 2: turned off.
Speaker 3: It's too accessible for me. I'm not the average girl.
Speaker 2: So when it's too accessible and you just slinging it
Speaker 2: all over the place, I'm like, it's not I don't
Speaker 2: really want it, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's that's your red flag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like I just want to I want to
Speaker 3: see you. I want to do this. And now I'm like, God,
Speaker 3: what's your last name? But where you come? You got kids?
Speaker 3: What's going on here?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: What are what your hobbies?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: Talking about having sex with me? You don't even know me?
Speaker 5: So weird idea first day?
Speaker 3: Okay, I might't need another sipidition. God damn.
Speaker 5: All right, Hello, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 3: Are we doing this? Yeah?
Speaker 5: You know we're doing this. I'm calling, I'm calling you
Speaker 5: pick up? Hello, Hey, how you doing this? Shannon?
Speaker 3: Oh? Hey Shannon.
Speaker 1: Uh that was the one thing. If you're free tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: I want to take you to dinner. I just want
Speaker 1: to get to know you, just just feel you out, nothing,
Speaker 1: having nothing major, no no strings attached. It's not like
Speaker 1: this is a committed relationship or anything like that. But
Speaker 1: I just want to get to know you and see
Speaker 1: if we can buy it.
Speaker 3: I'm actually free tomorrow. I would love that with time.
Speaker 5: Uh, I'm on.
Speaker 1: My way right now, but I think of a party.
Speaker 5: So so, okay, got called.
Speaker 2: I'm easy, you know, but I'm not easy in that way.
Speaker 3: But it's like, if i'm available, sure I'll go.
Speaker 4: On a date.
Speaker 5: What do you like? So?
Speaker 1: What's a what's a you wanna dimly lid? Okay, you're cool.
Speaker 1: You want to be off in the back room somewhere.
Speaker 1: What's what's what's an ideal evening for amber?
Speaker 3: Great conversation?
Speaker 2: Okay, eye contact, not talking about sex at all, it's
Speaker 2: gonna turn me off.
Speaker 3: What are your dreams?
Speaker 2: And ambitions or what were they like you asked me
Speaker 2: earlier when you were a kid.
Speaker 3: I just want to get to know you.
Speaker 2: I want to feel a closeness to you where it
Speaker 2: makes me be like, damn, I'm thinking about him the
Speaker 2: next day.
Speaker 3: I want to see him again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like that, you know, so like y'all
Speaker 1: see that women do y'all need to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be like I want to wake
Speaker 2: up the next day and just be like that was
Speaker 2: so nice.
Speaker 3: I wonder what he's doing.
Speaker 5: Later, hopefully, I sure hope he asked me out again.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but she had it. Hold on before you
Speaker 2: say that. These men out here are princesses. Okay. They
Speaker 2: want to be the princess. They want you to text first.
Speaker 2: They want you.
Speaker 3: To be like, babe, I'm gonna take you out. They
Speaker 3: want you to call I'm gonna take you out, boo.
Speaker 2: They want you to be the man in the relationship. Really,
Speaker 2: it's so bad out here. It's so terrible. You don't
Speaker 2: know how many people are blocked, like I can't take it.
Speaker 2: And these are really I mean, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: name y'all. They're really successful guys, just stupid, just they
Speaker 2: want to be catered to, and it's like I'm old.
Speaker 1: School, but it's okay. If you call, it's okay.
Speaker 5: It's like, hey, are.
Speaker 3: You and I do?
Speaker 1: Okay, I do because somebody some of y'all, y'all, some
Speaker 1: of y'all y'all be doing too well.
Speaker 3: Not toxic.
Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying I shouldn't have to call all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is is that these men nowadays do
Speaker 2: not take initiative.
Speaker 3: Like men do.
Speaker 2: If you if me, you are talking, and you text
Speaker 2: me and I'm on my phone, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be toxic and be like let me wait. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let him wait ten minutes for okay. That not doing
Speaker 2: that done.
Speaker 3: I'm too old for that.
Speaker 2: If I'm on my phone or you text me, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be like, hey, what you doing, I'm gonnaect you
Speaker 2: right back. I don't care about looking thirsty and all that.
Speaker 2: If I'm excited, I'm going to show you that I'm
Speaker 2: excited and I want the same in return.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 1: Hold on, is it true that you make men get
Speaker 1: tested before they sleep with you?
Speaker 3: Yes, well I'm protecting yes every time.
Speaker 5: And they cool with that.
Speaker 2: They're like, okay, yeah, but they're not gonna do it.
Speaker 3: They're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you believe it. Hey, As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I'm coming with it that you go right now, exactly
Speaker 1: at what age did you start doing?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 5: What age?
Speaker 2: But again, I watched my neighborhood friend died of AIDS,
Speaker 2: So for me, it was very close to home. And
Speaker 2: I wanted to be epidemiologist, so I studied STDs and
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with like bacterias and stuff.
Speaker 3: So for me, it's like, you're not finna play with
Speaker 3: my life. I don't give how cute you are.
Speaker 1: Wow, what's the wildest thing you've ever done in relationship?
Speaker 1: I reg with Meghan Fox. I think she drank like
Speaker 1: some of the machine gun Kelly's blood. And you saw
Speaker 1: Angelina Angelina Joe Lee did this with Billy Bob Thornton.
Speaker 1: What's the wildest thing you've done in the relationship ever?
Speaker 3: I'm not a wild girl. I'm not.
Speaker 5: But why people have that perception of you know they
Speaker 5: do that?
Speaker 2: No, ask my assistant Joseph. You've been with me for
Speaker 2: ten years. I had no skeletons in my closet. I'm
Speaker 2: not into dbus sex. I don't like eating kouchie. I'm
Speaker 2: not into threesomes. I don't I'm a very traditional hole.
Speaker 2: I don't like none of that extra. I don't do drugs.
Speaker 2: I don't get drunk. I'm very square. I'm just not
Speaker 2: that person.
Speaker 5: Oh so you like a basket. You like one on one.
Speaker 3: I like one on one. I like one.
Speaker 5: Give me that, Give me that, y'ah.
Speaker 2: All them that's frowns upon nowadays, because if girls say that,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, she ain't gonna bring No. I'm not
Speaker 2: bringing no bitchess home, y'all. I'm not doing it. Don't
Speaker 2: ask me, don't bother me with that, or just leave
Speaker 2: me alone. Right, it's not my thing.
Speaker 5: You spend the block. No, once you done, you're done.
Speaker 3: I'm done. Yeah. I hope grudges too, Really yeah, I do.
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 3: I just I'm just not a forgiving person.
Speaker 5: What if it's you're the one that messed up.
Speaker 3: I don't mess up. I never met. I'm an overachiever.
Speaker 3: I do not mess up. Mm hmmm. You go through
Speaker 3: my phone if i'm if you're my man, you can go.
Speaker 2: You got my password. I don't got nothing to high Damn. Yeah, Shannon,
Speaker 2: men don't cheat on their barber. Why you won't cheat
Speaker 2: on me?
Speaker 5: Damn?
Speaker 1: I ain't look at it like that. I didn't look
Speaker 1: at it like that. You heard that.
Speaker 5: You don't cheer you, You.
Speaker 1: Don't go to the barbers. He can be cut you
Speaker 1: every ten years, all of a sudden, step out on
Speaker 1: and let somebody else cut it.
Speaker 2: They don't do that. Why why do you cheating on
Speaker 2: me for what? Why do I have to tolerate that?
Speaker 3: Damn? I'm dealing with that ship.
Speaker 1: What have dating in La taught you?
Speaker 2: It is a nightmare out here. Really, it's a nightmare.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw on Instagram the other day they said La
Speaker 2: is the worst place in America for dating.
Speaker 5: I can believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's a lot of pretending amber. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of pretending on both sides. I'm somebody that I'm not,
Speaker 1: I have something that i'm not, I'm going someplace I'm not,
Speaker 1: And so everybody, everybody is lying to each other. And
Speaker 1: then when you get together and you finally catch up,
Speaker 1: like bro Sis, you've been lying this whole time. You
Speaker 1: ain't none of what you said.
Speaker 3: It's sick out here. It's sick if.
Speaker 1: You live here, so you gotta you're gonna have if
Speaker 1: you gonna get married, you gonna have to.
Speaker 2: I live here by default because my kids are here
Speaker 2: and they're still young. If I didn't have my kids,
Speaker 2: or if I didn't want to go through all this
Speaker 2: with my baby Daddy's, I would leave.
Speaker 3: I would go to I would go to Dallas or something.
Speaker 5: I thought you'd gonna say, Houston. Why do you think
Speaker 5: people cheat?
Speaker 3: They're insecure.
Speaker 2: If you cheat, your insecure, because all you have to
Speaker 2: do is say, hey, listen, I care about you, but
Speaker 2: I'm not happy. So I want to go over here
Speaker 2: and try this. It's really not that hard. Yes, you
Speaker 2: might shatter someone's hard, but at least you're being honest.
Speaker 2: So when you cheat, you're trying to find validation somewhere
Speaker 2: else because you can't face what you got going on
Speaker 2: in your life.
Speaker 3: Just be honest.
Speaker 5: So transparency is big for you.
Speaker 3: It is the only thing. If you betray me, I've
Speaker 3: never talked to you ever again.
Speaker 5: Never Never have you ever cheated.
Speaker 3: Never, not on any boyfriend I ever had ever in
Speaker 3: my life. I never cheated. I'm not a cheater.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you don't drink, you don't smoke.
Speaker 1: You and I here tripping?
Speaker 5: What is it? What is it?
Speaker 1: I mean I would have thought you'd have been married
Speaker 1: with my four or five kids by nothing.
Speaker 3: Men are terrified in me.
Speaker 5: Why they terrified me?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean you're a man. Tell me.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I think they're they're
Speaker 3: intimidated by my persona.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 3: But if you get to know me.
Speaker 2: As a person, you'd be like, damn she cool with sales.
Speaker 2: I'm really just a souldfilly regular.
Speaker 1: I mean, you came in here, You're like, hey, how
Speaker 1: you doing. Nice to meet you, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming out to do this. You're very courteous,
Speaker 1: very receptive to courtesy. Yeah, but I can I can
Speaker 1: see because I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: she's a very attractive woman. I mean I see her.
Speaker 1: When you see someone that I was telling you this
Speaker 1: off camera. I say, to see someone on television and
Speaker 1: you think you're going to see this person, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you meet this person. Of course, I
Speaker 1: had a perception of what I thought you would be.
Speaker 1: You're nothing. What I thought you would be. That's actually
Speaker 1: sitting here talking to you off camera, now talking to
Speaker 1: you on camera. So I can see why men that
Speaker 1: see you and I like to think I'm kind of
Speaker 1: successful but a normal person. Yeah, they would be very
Speaker 1: intimidated by you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it happens.
Speaker 2: But you know, girls like me are probably the most
Speaker 2: loneliest for sure.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you know someone is cheating?
Speaker 1: Have you someone cheating? You go through his phone, you
Speaker 1: follow him out, you put what are the air tags?
Speaker 5: I think that's the thing. So how have you called? I?
Speaker 3: Will I listen?
Speaker 5: You're gonna tell your secrets.
Speaker 2: I'm a real soul Philip. I used to pull up.
Speaker 2: I will pull up. I'll do all that stuff. I'll
Speaker 2: bust out windows.
Speaker 1: I'm on jazz, but sell the windows. Somebody call I swear.
Speaker 2: To God like that is the amber back in the day. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: now I have an intuition. I'll know like that, and
Speaker 2: I'll just be like, out of my life.
Speaker 3: I don't tolerate. Why why tolerate?
Speaker 2: I have my own money, my own children, my own house,
Speaker 2: my own cars. Why tolerate and betrayal? If you can
Speaker 2: sit there and lie to me, you're not my friend.
Speaker 2: And in a relationship, you have to be friends with
Speaker 2: someone first before anything, you know, So if you're not
Speaker 2: my friend, why are you in my life for what?
Speaker 1: How do you repray a broken heart time? Because they
Speaker 1: say the mind replays what the heart can't delete.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you're in a situation and you're with
Speaker 1: someone for an extended period of time and not saying
Speaker 1: this betrayal because and the thing is that I'm bright,
Speaker 1: and now what I tell people, breaking up with someone
Speaker 1: is easy if you're the one that wanted to do
Speaker 1: the breaking up. The hard part is when you want
Speaker 1: to be in this relationship and the other party doesn't. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's the hard part. How do you start to mend
Speaker 1: when you've been interwoven with this person for an extended
Speaker 1: period of time two years, five years, seven years, ten years?
Speaker 5: How do you untangle that?
Speaker 2: I mean, I go to the gym. That's all I do.
Speaker 2: I get up every day. No, it sounds superficial, but
Speaker 2: the only thing that can heal that is time. Getting
Speaker 2: up under somebody else is not going to help. Sitting
Speaker 2: at home and crying about it is not going to help.
Speaker 2: It's not going to change nothing. But if you go
Speaker 2: and you get active and you stay busy, time will
Speaker 2: go by, and then you know things will get better.
Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two
Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever
Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just
Speaker 1: simply go back to club Shashay profile and I'll see
Speaker 1: you there.