WEBVTT - Bonus Episode: JFK, Watergate, and More From Seattle 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.800 Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:08.039 just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.000 This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:30.320 to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:32.800 a little thing we like to call the after party. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:34.840 This is the show after the show, the party after 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:36.360 the party, the bridge to get you from one full 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.440 episode or Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.800 into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:46.280 about this week's full episode subject, Bob Dylan. We also 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.280 get into Oliver Stone and Val Kilmer's Jim Morrison for 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.680 a wee bit, as well as a bit of a 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.080 deeper dive into our Hollywood Land spinoff series. And we 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.360 get into your voicemails, text DMS emails and as always, 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.480 a whole lot of rose. All right, this goes, Let's 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:17.880 get into it, all right. This week's after Party is 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.360 gonna be a little bit different. We had a massive 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.920 news day yesterday, which, as I write this, when I 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.679 say yesterday, I mean Tuesday, a ton of music news 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.080 and a ton of news news. And I know a 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.120 lot of you watched the Congressional hearing with Oliver Stone 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.440 and Jefferson Morley on the JFK Files. And I know 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.399 a lot of you are catching up and having yet 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.880 finished this week's full episode of Disgraceland, our part two 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.240 episode on Bob Dylan, which directly relates to those JFK 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.400 hearings on Capitol Hill this week. So if any of 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.279 you have not heard Part two, have not yet heard 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.240 Bob Dylan Part two, not part one, Part two of 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.560 our Bob Dylan story, I'm going to give you this 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.960 moment here to fast forward this year After Party Bonus 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.040 episode about ten minutes or so. Go past the first 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.200 ad break and just start listening from that point on, 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.520 or past the first musical interlude if you're ad free, 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.520 because there will be spoilers, and I'm going to get 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.840 into spoilers right now. Okay, the spoilers are coming in 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.160 the next few seconds. So again, if you haven't yet 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.440 heard Part two of the Bob Dylan episode, now is 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:25.040 your chance to fast forward past the spoilers. Okay, So 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.520 for the rest of you who heard this episode, thank 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.280 you for taking this ride with us, Thanks for the texts, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.880 thanks for the voicemails, Thanks for the comments on social 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.800 if you commented and then didn't see your comment or 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.239 saw your comment get deleted, I deleted them because I'm 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.880 trying to preserve the gag here for the rest of 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.160 the listeners. We haven't done one of these types of 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.799 episodes in five years, Okay, twenty twenty was the last one, 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.400 and I got you good that time, and I got 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.600 you in twenty nineteen as well, But I needed to 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:55.480 take a couple of years off because I needed to 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.560 lull you guys into an unsuspecting content trance before I 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.400 could come back at you with an episode like this 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:06.359 Part two, Bob Dylan episode. Okay, on this episode, it's 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.839 different than the last two that we did, the one 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.239 with Jim and the one with John. This one had 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.840 far less historical fiction, like almost none, and way more 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.280 historical fact, which is the main ingredient really when trying 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.399 to make these episodes work. And this Dylan episode, Part two, 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.560 like I said at the end of it, nearly everything 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.359 is true. Nearly all of those outrageous facts are true. 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.760 Bob Dylan did indeed say that crazy shit about Lee 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.920 Harvey Oswald, basically supporting who was thought to be JFK's killer. 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.080 Two weeks after JFK was murdered. Dylan gave the impression 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.440 he indeed gave the impression that he was for the 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.440 Vietnam War in an interview with Singout magazine in the 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:54.040 I believe that was the late sixties, early seventies, and 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.240 Dylan did beat the piss out of that reporter. As 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:01.040 depicted in our episode, Dylan did stay at the Watergate Hotel. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.760 Dylan's FBI file, or a page from his file anyway, 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.200 was read verbatim in my episode. That's from the actual 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.240 Dylan FBI file, and that was the first file I read. 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:13.920 The other two that I read in the episode, I 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.640 made those up for the purposes of the story. Dylan 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.240 wrote that note to the I ins for John and Yoko. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.440 That's true. You can look up the note the fifty 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:26.080 five Families bit that was true as well. Again, look 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.240 at the book The Political World of Bob Dylan for 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.640 that story with the mysterious illuminati like aristocrat from the 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.760 fifty five Families who ended up playing Bob and Bill Graham. 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.240 Even the bit about me working for Carl Bernstein and 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.960 how my boss chose to use me to thwart Carl's stupidity, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:46.760 all true, all true. Okay, what wasn't true? Now that's 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:48.600 a little bit different, not as much, not as much 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.400 on the not true vine. But Andy, the answer was 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.800 an invention. I made that up to help set up 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.360 the part where Bob unknowingly becomes the ruse that Andy 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.880 exploits to get into Becca's office. Becca was made up 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.120 as well. Aside from that, there's not much that I 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:08.839 made up, And that's the beauty of these these satirical episodes. 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:10.960 And again there's only been three in the entire history 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:15.520 of Disgraceland. But as for some historical fiction here, okay, 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:20.119 I can't say if the following two supposed conspiracy theories 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.640 are true or not, but they haven't been proven false. 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.160 They haven't proven true either one way or another. They 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.000 haven't been proven. But the Watergate prostitution ring is a 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.120 real theory. It was a real conspiracy pedaled by G. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.880 Gordon Liddie, and it was litigated in court in the 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.200 early nineteen eighties, I believe, and as far as I 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.040 can tell, there's no actual evidence that supports the idea 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.200 that there was in fact a prostitution ring run out 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.960 of the Watergate Hotel in the early nineteen seventies, so 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:51.839 on that one false. Now the second so called conspiracy theory, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.800 the idea that Richard Nixon did not orchestrate Watergate, but 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.800 was instead set up by the CIA to make it 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.120 look like he orchestrated Watergate, or rather set up by 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.560 the CIA two orchestrate Watergate so that the CIA would 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.240 then have a way to peacefully dispose of him. When 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:10.960 I first heard this theory a year ago, I gave 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.480 it no credence up But now, seriously, after all the 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.600 dirty shit detailed in the JFK files about the CIA, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.000 and about all the lies they've been caught in in 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:22.920 the last few weeks, and all the ways in which 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.560 CIA members perjured themselves relative to their testimony on the 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.919 JFK assassination, I'd say that I'm fifty to fifty on 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.120 this Nixon thing and whether or not he was set 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.239 up by the CIA. On this theory, I mean, there's tape, 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.960 for God's sakes, I played you the tape in the 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.120 episode that's real. Now, whether or not the theory's real, 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.279 I'm not saying one way or another. All I'm saying 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.039 is that it's not entirely unlikely given all we know, 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.960 but it all goes back to Watergate, the place, not 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:54.200 the scandal. It was that information about Bob Dylan staying 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.240 at the Watergate hotel that got me thinking about this 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.359 entire idea that in the fifty five Families saying that 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.279 I read in that book about Bob's politics. The larger 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.479 point I was trying to make in this episode, and 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:08.039 a point that I think Bob Dylan would support, is 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:12.680 that politics are evil and the media is just as 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:16.320 corrupt as our government. In that first FBI memo on 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.120 Bob Dylan that I read to you in the episode, 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.480 the Special Agent in Charge, and again this is a 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.480 real memo, the Special Agent in Charge recommends that the 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.920 Bureau call upon its contacts and media to get the 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.160 word out on Dylan, to basically frame Bob Dylan as 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.920 anti American. We've talked about Operation Mockingbird here before. That's 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.720 the CIA's effort to co opt and control over six 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.640 hundred journalists at major news outlets in the nineteen sixties 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:45.360 and seventies. Nothing has changed. Nothing. Just this morning, okay, 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.000 I'm putting this episode together on Wednesday, April second, just 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:54.000 this morning, in the wake of Tuesday April first, JFK 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.560 Files Congressional hearing, the congressional hearing of the JFK assassination 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:03.040 that was held on Capitol Hill just this morning. CBS 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.600 and ABC News are not only miscategorizing Jefferson Morley's testimony 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.200 on Capitol Hill relative to the JFK Files, they're outright 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:16.440 lying about his past. And he's calling for an immediate retraction, 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.960 as he should be, and I hope he even sues them. Now, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:24.040 why would CBS and ABC in the year twenty twenty 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.360 five move so quickly to discredit a man who has 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.600 done more fact based research on the JFK assassination, Jefferson 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.360 Morley than any other living journalists, A man who has 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.000 never once uttered a word of conspiracy, A man who, 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.800 if you follow him, it's obvious that his statements, his writing, 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:47.079 his opinions are entirely fact based. What incentive would CBS 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.920 or ABC have in discrediting this man. Well, I'll tell 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:52.760 you what that incentive is. It's because he came out 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.920 yesterday in public, on record on Capitol Hill, at the 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.440 risk of perjuring himself, and said what we have all 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.240 known to be true for decades that the evidence in 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.240 no way supports the so called fact that Lee Harvey 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:12.200 Oswald killed JFK. The CIA cannot have this out there 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.000 because the truth is very dark. If Oswald didn't do it, 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.080 who did? Okay? I have thoughts on that, and I 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.079 think these files are going to bear them out. We're 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:22.920 going to talk about that more in the coming weeks 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.560 here and there. Not going to make a big deal 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:25.920 out of it. It's going to take a while for 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.360 all this to get pieced together. But again, why would 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.880 ABC and CBS come out so quickly to try to 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:36.200 discredit this man. It's because the media still does the 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.680 bidding of their handlers in the CIA and in the FBI. 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.800 Nothing has changed, nothing, all right? Anyway, I hope you 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:46.480 dug this episode, and I hope you're not to pissed 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.920 at me for taking you on this hour plus ride. 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.760 This is the longest episode of Disgrace, and I believe 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.640 that we've ever done. Matt Boden is still pissed off 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.320 at me for making him mix it, though I don't 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.120 blame him. It was long, but Matt killed it because 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.600 the sound design came up great. Anyway, Matt, no more 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.200 hour long episodes, I promise all right. Coming up on Friday, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.559 we are revisiting another giant from music history, the hardest 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.800 working man in show business, James Brown, Ladies and Gentlemen, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.800 James Brown, in our rewind slot on Friday. That's tomorrow. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.800 I've got a James Brown Part two that I'm thinking 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.480 about based on this theory that he was murdered. Haven't 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.880 done a lot of research on it, but just top line, 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.920 it's pretty interesting and there's there's a lot there, but 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.360 that's not for a while, if at all. Then next 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.120 week on Tuesday, we have a new episode on Billy 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.760 Idle and Holy Debauchery Batman. This one's going to leave 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.000 a mark when you're listening to this episode and wading 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.080 through all the sex, drugs and rock and roll, be 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.240 thinking about Billy Idle and his debauchery and thinking about 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.880 which rock star was the most debaucherous. Was it Billy Idle, 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.640 as we're going to explain, or was it someone else? 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.440 Which artist stories of excess are so bad, so gross, 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.200 so over the top that they deserve the crown over 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:56.880 Billy Idle. That's going to be the question of the 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.000 week next week six one seven nine oh six six 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.640 six three eight leave me a voicemail or a text. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.680 I'm going to be back in a flash with your 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.960 voicemails and texts and dms on this week's question of 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:30.080 the week. All Right, we are back, And just a 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.840 quick reminder to make sure you Apple podcast listeners have 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.440 auto downloads turned on so you're not missing any episodes. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.320 All right, six one seven nine oh six six six 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:39.719 three eight. You know where I'm at. I'm in the 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:41.480 phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:42.719 on the telephone. If you want to send me a 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.320 voicemail or a text. I like that. I like that 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.760 hanging on a telephone bit. Anyway, I'm going to leave 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.280 the Dylan voicemails and the Dylan text to next week. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.079 Is there a bunch of you who still haven't heard 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.679 this episode? And I'd like to have a complete conversation, 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.960 a complete discussion, if you will, on this story with 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.480 as many of you as possible. But have no fear 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.680 because a ton of you hit me up to continue 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.720 our conversation from last week on Grunge, on Seattle, on Alice, 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.080 and chains, et cetera. Let's hear from the seven to 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:09.840 four to oh hey. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:14.200 Jake, just listen to your grunge top ten. Really glad 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.080 to hear bad motor Finger at number one. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:17.920 Oh, I should have should have. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.240 Mentioned I'm great than in the seven to four to Oh. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:25.760 I'm also pretty pumped to hear you talking about Dinosaur Junior, Lemonheads, 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.800 Pixies definitely three of my favorite bands ever, and I 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.280 agree none of them should really fall into grunge. Maybe 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:38.400 early Lemonheads, Dinosaur Junior, Yeah, that was just too early. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.800 I mean, if we're talking about late eighties, early nineties 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:46.960 of the starter grunge, they're just a little early for that. Also, 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:52.000 don't mind having a couple Nirvanas and a couple down 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.680 Gardens in that top ten singles. Like you said, just 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:01.559 absolutely killer album, even the bad Let's up and cover 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:07.800 but phenomenal, Smashy Pumpkins Song on the Air, drown Birth, 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:12.760 Ritual Town Garden amazing. Probably got a lot more to say, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:17.439 but I'll leave it at that. Man, love the episode, Grayson. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.280 We have very similar tastes and appreciate, Uh, I appreciate 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.920 the backup on my Lemonhead's Dinosaur in Pixie's Cake. Grayson. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.160 I'm not sure if you saw but Billy Corgan is 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.480 hitting the road not in support of Siame's dream, but 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.360 to play melancholy in the infinite sadness, wondering what you 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.320 think about all that hit me back? Let me know, Grayson. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.520 Let's Matt, Let's check out the two seven. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:44.120 Oher Hey, Jake, I left a message earlier about Mark 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:48.000 Lanagan two seven. Oh, I'm new to this calling thing. 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.440 I've listened to calling you. That is, I've listened to 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:56.000 your show for years now. Every episode, I promise two 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:00.040 seven is Bowling Green, Kentucky. I actually live in Nashville, 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.520 so share an information because you share so much with 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:10.600 me and us, Mark Lanagan, My recommendation is listen to 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.000 Bubblegum the album in its entirety. You can't go wrong 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.760 with this catalog at all. Listen to that he was 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:24.080 on one, then great album, Loose concept album, and then 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.720 his work as the Gutter Twins with Greg Dooley. But 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:32.280 once again, you can't go wrong. Listen or read. I 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:36.400 would say listen because he narrates the book Seeing Backwards 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.040 and Weep. Book came out a few years ago, a 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:44.840 couple of years ironically before his untimely death. Once again, 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:50.120 Mark Lanagan for me it's not even close. True badass, 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.640 just like those outlaw country guys. He was a true badass. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.800 Thank you, man, thank you so much for your content 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.400 and your show. I love it. See if all right? 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.280 I appreciate the land again recommendations. And this is not 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.600 the first time Greg Dooley has come up, and I 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.960 haven't commented on Greg Dooley. Dooley, He's incredible. He's incredible, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.400 gentleman by Afghan Wiggs. If you guys don't know that record, 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.200 I'm gonna listen to that today. If you don't know 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.440 that record, oh man, you're in for it. Put that 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.160 on today. It's so damn good. Dooley's collaboration with Lanigan 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:23.960 is another reason that I should get into the Mark 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.840 Lanagan story. And yes, two seven zero total outlaw. I 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.680 wonder if if Bob Dylan would agree. I think you 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.960 would that outlaw spirit is the theme of our recent 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.480 episode on Bob Dylan, and I see a correlation between 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.560 Bob and Lanigan. I wonder if you do, all right? Listen, 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.360 In last week's after Party, we went through a list 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.520 from gold Mine Magazine the top ten grunge albums of 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:48.160 all time. And you know, I gave my thoughts on 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:53.400 that list, and then I provided my own list and one, uh, 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.240 I think it was in the number ten spot was 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.640 the single soundtrack, which I anticipated would get me some 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.320 shit from you guys. We got this text here from 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.280 the three oh four three oh four rights saying, hey, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.720 thank you for shouting out the single soundtrack. I wouldn't 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.560 make it my number one, but it is a good one. 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.880 But you saying that makes me feel better about claiming 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.440 some of my more questionable choices. Well, three oh four, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.560 I want those questionable choices. You can't leave me hanging 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.960 like that. Come on, hit me back, and I'm happy 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:21.920 to hear that you agree with my singles. Take I 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.400 didn't have number one, by the way, I had him 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.840 number ten. Okay, seven to sixty five rights say, hey, Jake, 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.480 it's Amanda from the seven to sixty five and I 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.640 just wanted to thank you for the George Michael episode. 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.160 I loved George Michael, and not in a fangirl type 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:33.880 of way. I was convinced he was gay long before 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:35.960 he came out. Well, we all were, and it didn't 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.160 matter at all of me. His music spoke to me. 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.000 I didn't really care for the wham stuff, it was 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.640 much more. I was much more impressed by his later stuff, 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.200 his deeper stuff. The amount of emotion he conjured with 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.960 that incredible voice gave me chills every time. I chose 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.200 him to do a presentation on for my World music 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.000 class in college, and I learned something new from this episode. Also, 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.440 I didn't realize he had a GHB addiction. I knew 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.120 he did drugs, but I thought he had gotten clean, 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.480 and it real my heart when he died. I'm more 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.520 in the loss of the amazing music yet to come, 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.840 and I was also hoping he would meet someone else 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.600 who would make him as happy as in Salomo Dude. 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.080 Another quick note on the grunge topic. I've always been 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.320 a fan of songs rather than albums. 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