Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
Speaker 1: episode or Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
Speaker 1: about this week's full episode subject, Bob Dylan. We also
Speaker 1: get into Oliver Stone and Val Kilmer's Jim Morrison for
Speaker 1: a wee bit, as well as a bit of a
Speaker 1: deeper dive into our Hollywood Land spinoff series. And we
Speaker 1: get into your voicemails, text DMS emails and as always,
Speaker 1: a whole lot of rose. All right, this goes, Let's
Speaker 1: get into it, all right. This week's after Party is
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit different. We had a massive
Speaker 1: news day yesterday, which, as I write this, when I
Speaker 1: say yesterday, I mean Tuesday, a ton of music news
Speaker 1: and a ton of news news. And I know a
Speaker 1: lot of you watched the Congressional hearing with Oliver Stone
Speaker 1: and Jefferson Morley on the JFK Files. And I know
Speaker 1: a lot of you are catching up and having yet
Speaker 1: finished this week's full episode of Disgraceland, our part two
Speaker 1: episode on Bob Dylan, which directly relates to those JFK
Speaker 1: hearings on Capitol Hill this week. So if any of
Speaker 1: you have not heard Part two, have not yet heard
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan Part two, not part one, Part two of
Speaker 1: our Bob Dylan story, I'm going to give you this
Speaker 1: moment here to fast forward this year After Party Bonus
Speaker 1: episode about ten minutes or so. Go past the first
Speaker 1: ad break and just start listening from that point on,
Speaker 1: or past the first musical interlude if you're ad free,
Speaker 1: because there will be spoilers, and I'm going to get
Speaker 1: into spoilers right now. Okay, the spoilers are coming in
Speaker 1: the next few seconds. So again, if you haven't yet
Speaker 1: heard Part two of the Bob Dylan episode, now is
Speaker 1: your chance to fast forward past the spoilers. Okay, So
Speaker 1: for the rest of you who heard this episode, thank
Speaker 1: you for taking this ride with us, Thanks for the texts,
Speaker 1: thanks for the voicemails, Thanks for the comments on social
Speaker 1: if you commented and then didn't see your comment or
Speaker 1: saw your comment get deleted, I deleted them because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to preserve the gag here for the rest of
Speaker 1: the listeners. We haven't done one of these types of
Speaker 1: episodes in five years, Okay, twenty twenty was the last one,
Speaker 1: and I got you good that time, and I got
Speaker 1: you in twenty nineteen as well, But I needed to
Speaker 1: take a couple of years off because I needed to
Speaker 1: lull you guys into an unsuspecting content trance before I
Speaker 1: could come back at you with an episode like this
Speaker 1: Part two, Bob Dylan episode. Okay, on this episode, it's
Speaker 1: different than the last two that we did, the one
Speaker 1: with Jim and the one with John. This one had
Speaker 1: far less historical fiction, like almost none, and way more
Speaker 1: historical fact, which is the main ingredient really when trying
Speaker 1: to make these episodes work. And this Dylan episode, Part two,
Speaker 1: like I said at the end of it, nearly everything
Speaker 1: is true. Nearly all of those outrageous facts are true.
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan did indeed say that crazy shit about Lee
Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald, basically supporting who was thought to be JFK's killer.
Speaker 1: Two weeks after JFK was murdered. Dylan gave the impression
Speaker 1: he indeed gave the impression that he was for the
Speaker 1: Vietnam War in an interview with Singout magazine in the
Speaker 1: I believe that was the late sixties, early seventies, and
Speaker 1: Dylan did beat the piss out of that reporter. As
Speaker 1: depicted in our episode, Dylan did stay at the Watergate Hotel.
Speaker 1: Dylan's FBI file, or a page from his file anyway,
Speaker 1: was read verbatim in my episode. That's from the actual
Speaker 1: Dylan FBI file, and that was the first file I read.
Speaker 1: The other two that I read in the episode, I
Speaker 1: made those up for the purposes of the story. Dylan
Speaker 1: wrote that note to the I ins for John and Yoko.
Speaker 1: That's true. You can look up the note the fifty
Speaker 1: five Families bit that was true as well. Again, look
Speaker 1: at the book The Political World of Bob Dylan for
Speaker 1: that story with the mysterious illuminati like aristocrat from the
Speaker 1: fifty five Families who ended up playing Bob and Bill Graham.
Speaker 1: Even the bit about me working for Carl Bernstein and
Speaker 1: how my boss chose to use me to thwart Carl's stupidity,
Speaker 1: all true, all true. Okay, what wasn't true? Now that's
Speaker 1: a little bit different, not as much, not as much
Speaker 1: on the not true vine. But Andy, the answer was
Speaker 1: an invention. I made that up to help set up
Speaker 1: the part where Bob unknowingly becomes the ruse that Andy
Speaker 1: exploits to get into Becca's office. Becca was made up
Speaker 1: as well. Aside from that, there's not much that I
Speaker 1: made up, And that's the beauty of these these satirical episodes.
Speaker 1: And again there's only been three in the entire history
Speaker 1: of Disgraceland. But as for some historical fiction here, okay,
Speaker 1: I can't say if the following two supposed conspiracy theories
Speaker 1: are true or not, but they haven't been proven false.
Speaker 1: They haven't proven true either one way or another. They
Speaker 1: haven't been proven. But the Watergate prostitution ring is a
Speaker 1: real theory. It was a real conspiracy pedaled by G.
Speaker 1: Gordon Liddie, and it was litigated in court in the
Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties, I believe, and as far as I
Speaker 1: can tell, there's no actual evidence that supports the idea
Speaker 1: that there was in fact a prostitution ring run out
Speaker 1: of the Watergate Hotel in the early nineteen seventies, so
Speaker 1: on that one false. Now the second so called conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: the idea that Richard Nixon did not orchestrate Watergate, but
Speaker 1: was instead set up by the CIA to make it
Speaker 1: look like he orchestrated Watergate, or rather set up by
Speaker 1: the CIA two orchestrate Watergate so that the CIA would
Speaker 1: then have a way to peacefully dispose of him. When
Speaker 1: I first heard this theory a year ago, I gave
Speaker 1: it no credence up But now, seriously, after all the
Speaker 1: dirty shit detailed in the JFK files about the CIA,
Speaker 1: and about all the lies they've been caught in in
Speaker 1: the last few weeks, and all the ways in which
Speaker 1: CIA members perjured themselves relative to their testimony on the
Speaker 1: JFK assassination, I'd say that I'm fifty to fifty on
Speaker 1: this Nixon thing and whether or not he was set
Speaker 1: up by the CIA. On this theory, I mean, there's tape,
Speaker 1: for God's sakes, I played you the tape in the
Speaker 1: episode that's real. Now, whether or not the theory's real,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying one way or another. All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is that it's not entirely unlikely given all we know,
Speaker 1: but it all goes back to Watergate, the place, not
Speaker 1: the scandal. It was that information about Bob Dylan staying
Speaker 1: at the Watergate hotel that got me thinking about this
Speaker 1: entire idea that in the fifty five Families saying that
Speaker 1: I read in that book about Bob's politics. The larger
Speaker 1: point I was trying to make in this episode, and
Speaker 1: a point that I think Bob Dylan would support, is
Speaker 1: that politics are evil and the media is just as
Speaker 1: corrupt as our government. In that first FBI memo on
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan that I read to you in the episode,
Speaker 1: the Special Agent in Charge, and again this is a
Speaker 1: real memo, the Special Agent in Charge recommends that the
Speaker 1: Bureau call upon its contacts and media to get the
Speaker 1: word out on Dylan, to basically frame Bob Dylan as
Speaker 1: anti American. We've talked about Operation Mockingbird here before. That's
Speaker 1: the CIA's effort to co opt and control over six
Speaker 1: hundred journalists at major news outlets in the nineteen sixties
Speaker 1: and seventies. Nothing has changed. Nothing. Just this morning, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm putting this episode together on Wednesday, April second, just
Speaker 1: this morning, in the wake of Tuesday April first, JFK
Speaker 1: Files Congressional hearing, the congressional hearing of the JFK assassination
Speaker 1: that was held on Capitol Hill just this morning. CBS
Speaker 1: and ABC News are not only miscategorizing Jefferson Morley's testimony
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill relative to the JFK Files, they're outright
Speaker 1: lying about his past. And he's calling for an immediate retraction,
Speaker 1: as he should be, and I hope he even sues them. Now,
Speaker 1: why would CBS and ABC in the year twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five move so quickly to discredit a man who has
Speaker 1: done more fact based research on the JFK assassination, Jefferson
Speaker 1: Morley than any other living journalists, A man who has
Speaker 1: never once uttered a word of conspiracy, A man who,
Speaker 1: if you follow him, it's obvious that his statements, his writing,
Speaker 1: his opinions are entirely fact based. What incentive would CBS
Speaker 1: or ABC have in discrediting this man. Well, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what that incentive is. It's because he came out
Speaker 1: yesterday in public, on record on Capitol Hill, at the
Speaker 1: risk of perjuring himself, and said what we have all
Speaker 1: known to be true for decades that the evidence in
Speaker 1: no way supports the so called fact that Lee Harvey
Speaker 1: Oswald killed JFK. The CIA cannot have this out there
Speaker 1: because the truth is very dark. If Oswald didn't do it,
Speaker 1: who did? Okay? I have thoughts on that, and I
Speaker 1: think these files are going to bear them out. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk about that more in the coming weeks
Speaker 1: here and there. Not going to make a big deal
Speaker 1: out of it. It's going to take a while for
Speaker 1: all this to get pieced together. But again, why would
Speaker 1: ABC and CBS come out so quickly to try to
Speaker 1: discredit this man. It's because the media still does the
Speaker 1: bidding of their handlers in the CIA and in the FBI.
Speaker 1: Nothing has changed, nothing, all right? Anyway, I hope you
Speaker 1: dug this episode, and I hope you're not to pissed
Speaker 1: at me for taking you on this hour plus ride.
Speaker 1: This is the longest episode of Disgrace, and I believe
Speaker 1: that we've ever done. Matt Boden is still pissed off
Speaker 1: at me for making him mix it, though I don't
Speaker 1: blame him. It was long, but Matt killed it because
Speaker 1: the sound design came up great. Anyway, Matt, no more
Speaker 1: hour long episodes, I promise all right. Coming up on Friday,
Speaker 1: we are revisiting another giant from music history, the hardest
Speaker 1: working man in show business, James Brown, Ladies and Gentlemen,
Speaker 1: James Brown, in our rewind slot on Friday. That's tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I've got a James Brown Part two that I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about based on this theory that he was murdered. Haven't
Speaker 1: done a lot of research on it, but just top line,
Speaker 1: it's pretty interesting and there's there's a lot there, but
Speaker 1: that's not for a while, if at all. Then next
Speaker 1: week on Tuesday, we have a new episode on Billy
Speaker 1: Idle and Holy Debauchery Batman. This one's going to leave
Speaker 1: a mark when you're listening to this episode and wading
Speaker 1: through all the sex, drugs and rock and roll, be
Speaker 1: thinking about Billy Idle and his debauchery and thinking about
Speaker 1: which rock star was the most debaucherous. Was it Billy Idle,
Speaker 1: as we're going to explain, or was it someone else?
Speaker 1: Which artist stories of excess are so bad, so gross,
Speaker 1: so over the top that they deserve the crown over
Speaker 1: Billy Idle. That's going to be the question of the
Speaker 1: week next week six one seven nine oh six six
Speaker 1: six three eight leave me a voicemail or a text.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be back in a flash with your
Speaker 1: voicemails and texts and dms on this week's question of
Speaker 1: the week. All Right, we are back, And just a
Speaker 1: quick reminder to make sure you Apple podcast listeners have
Speaker 1: auto downloads turned on so you're not missing any episodes.
Speaker 1: All right, six one seven nine oh six six six
Speaker 1: three eight. You know where I'm at. I'm in the
Speaker 1: phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging
Speaker 1: on the telephone. If you want to send me a
Speaker 1: voicemail or a text. I like that. I like that
Speaker 1: hanging on a telephone bit. Anyway, I'm going to leave
Speaker 1: the Dylan voicemails and the Dylan text to next week.
Speaker 1: Is there a bunch of you who still haven't heard
Speaker 1: this episode? And I'd like to have a complete conversation,
Speaker 1: a complete discussion, if you will, on this story with
Speaker 1: as many of you as possible. But have no fear
Speaker 1: because a ton of you hit me up to continue
Speaker 1: our conversation from last week on Grunge, on Seattle, on Alice,
Speaker 1: and chains, et cetera. Let's hear from the seven to
Speaker 1: four to oh hey.
Speaker 2: Jake, just listen to your grunge top ten. Really glad
Speaker 2: to hear bad motor Finger at number one.
Speaker 3: Oh, I should have should have.
Speaker 2: Mentioned I'm great than in the seven to four to Oh.
Speaker 2: I'm also pretty pumped to hear you talking about Dinosaur Junior, Lemonheads,
Speaker 2: Pixies definitely three of my favorite bands ever, and I
Speaker 2: agree none of them should really fall into grunge. Maybe
Speaker 2: early Lemonheads, Dinosaur Junior, Yeah, that was just too early.
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're talking about late eighties, early nineties
Speaker 2: of the starter grunge, they're just a little early for that. Also,
Speaker 2: don't mind having a couple Nirvanas and a couple down
Speaker 2: Gardens in that top ten singles. Like you said, just
Speaker 2: absolutely killer album, even the bad Let's up and cover
Speaker 2: but phenomenal, Smashy Pumpkins Song on the Air, drown Birth,
Speaker 2: Ritual Town Garden amazing. Probably got a lot more to say,
Speaker 2: but I'll leave it at that. Man, love the episode, Grayson.
Speaker 1: We have very similar tastes and appreciate, Uh, I appreciate
Speaker 1: the backup on my Lemonhead's Dinosaur in Pixie's Cake. Grayson.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you saw but Billy Corgan is
Speaker 1: hitting the road not in support of Siame's dream, but
Speaker 1: to play melancholy in the infinite sadness, wondering what you
Speaker 1: think about all that hit me back? Let me know, Grayson.
Speaker 1: Let's Matt, Let's check out the two seven.
Speaker 3: Oher Hey, Jake, I left a message earlier about Mark
Speaker 3: Lanagan two seven. Oh, I'm new to this calling thing.
Speaker 3: I've listened to calling you. That is, I've listened to
Speaker 3: your show for years now. Every episode, I promise two
Speaker 3: seven is Bowling Green, Kentucky. I actually live in Nashville,
Speaker 3: so share an information because you share so much with
Speaker 3: me and us, Mark Lanagan, My recommendation is listen to
Speaker 3: Bubblegum the album in its entirety. You can't go wrong
Speaker 3: with this catalog at all. Listen to that he was
Speaker 3: on one, then great album, Loose concept album, and then
Speaker 3: his work as the Gutter Twins with Greg Dooley. But
Speaker 3: once again, you can't go wrong. Listen or read. I
Speaker 3: would say listen because he narrates the book Seeing Backwards
Speaker 3: and Weep. Book came out a few years ago, a
Speaker 3: couple of years ironically before his untimely death. Once again,
Speaker 3: Mark Lanagan for me it's not even close. True badass,
Speaker 3: just like those outlaw country guys. He was a true badass.
Speaker 3: Thank you, man, thank you so much for your content
Speaker 3: and your show. I love it. See if all right?
Speaker 1: I appreciate the land again recommendations. And this is not
Speaker 1: the first time Greg Dooley has come up, and I
Speaker 1: haven't commented on Greg Dooley. Dooley, He's incredible. He's incredible,
Speaker 1: gentleman by Afghan Wiggs. If you guys don't know that record,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to that today. If you don't know
Speaker 1: that record, oh man, you're in for it. Put that
Speaker 1: on today. It's so damn good. Dooley's collaboration with Lanigan
Speaker 1: is another reason that I should get into the Mark
Speaker 1: Lanagan story. And yes, two seven zero total outlaw. I
Speaker 1: wonder if if Bob Dylan would agree. I think you
Speaker 1: would that outlaw spirit is the theme of our recent
Speaker 1: episode on Bob Dylan, and I see a correlation between
Speaker 1: Bob and Lanigan. I wonder if you do, all right? Listen,
Speaker 1: In last week's after Party, we went through a list
Speaker 1: from gold Mine Magazine the top ten grunge albums of
Speaker 1: all time. And you know, I gave my thoughts on
Speaker 1: that list, and then I provided my own list and one, uh,
Speaker 1: I think it was in the number ten spot was
Speaker 1: the single soundtrack, which I anticipated would get me some
Speaker 1: shit from you guys. We got this text here from
Speaker 1: the three oh four three oh four rights saying, hey,
Speaker 1: thank you for shouting out the single soundtrack. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: make it my number one, but it is a good one.
Speaker 1: But you saying that makes me feel better about claiming
Speaker 1: some of my more questionable choices. Well, three oh four,
Speaker 1: I want those questionable choices. You can't leave me hanging
Speaker 1: like that. Come on, hit me back, and I'm happy
Speaker 1: to hear that you agree with my singles. Take I
Speaker 1: didn't have number one, by the way, I had him
Speaker 1: number ten. Okay, seven to sixty five rights say, hey, Jake,
Speaker 1: it's Amanda from the seven to sixty five and I
Speaker 1: just wanted to thank you for the George Michael episode.
Speaker 1: I loved George Michael, and not in a fangirl type
Speaker 1: of way. I was convinced he was gay long before
Speaker 1: he came out. Well, we all were, and it didn't
Speaker 1: matter at all of me. His music spoke to me.
Speaker 1: I didn't really care for the wham stuff, it was
Speaker 1: much more. I was much more impressed by his later stuff,
Speaker 1: his deeper stuff. The amount of emotion he conjured with
Speaker 1: that incredible voice gave me chills every time. I chose
Speaker 1: him to do a presentation on for my World music
Speaker 1: class in college, and I learned something new from this episode. Also,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he had a GHB addiction. I knew
Speaker 1: he did drugs, but I thought he had gotten clean,
Speaker 1: and it real my heart when he died. I'm more
Speaker 1: in the loss of the amazing music yet to come,
Speaker 1: and I was also hoping he would meet someone else
Speaker 1: who would make him as happy as in Salomo Dude.
Speaker 1: Another quick note on the grunge topic. I've always been
Speaker 1: a fan of songs rather than albums. A lot of
Speaker 1: times I won't even know who performs them, but I
Speaker 1: know I love Man in the Box and spoon Man.
Speaker 1: I grew up with radio, and if it wasn't on
Speaker 1: the radio, I probably haven't heard it. Thanks again for
Speaker 1: doing such a great job. I've listened to all of
Speaker 1: the podcast you've done now. Thank you so much. Seven six'.
Speaker 1: Five for those of you who don't, know we get
Speaker 1: A George michael episode a couple episodes back in the.
Speaker 1: Feed as you can hear from the seven sixty, five
Speaker 1: it's a. Banger check that out at seven sixty. FIVE
Speaker 1: i appreciate you calling in with your thoughts On, George
Speaker 1: Michael textan AND i should, say and On man in
Speaker 1: The box And Spoon. MAN i think both those songs
Speaker 1: are completely emblematic of the grunge scene in the early.
Speaker 1: Nineties you couldn't escape those. SONGS i Believe man in
Speaker 1: The box might have been eighty nine or ninety not
Speaker 1: SURE i should, know. Though two one four text, In Hey,
Speaker 1: jake this is All austin from the two to one.
Speaker 1: Four i've been a fan from the get go and
Speaker 1: finally caught up On. Disgraceline he've been asking about our
Speaker 1: Favorite seattle. Bands earlier this, MONTH i was In seattle
Speaker 1: for a ski trip and paid tribute To Kurt cobain
Speaker 1: AS i was able to check out the first venue
Speaker 1: Where nirvana played At Central. Saloon is pretty cool seeing
Speaker 1: some history attached to some visual, imagery and here we
Speaker 1: have two to one. Four austin sent in some amazing
Speaker 1: photos from what looks to be The Central. Saloon looks
Speaker 1: like a small little, place and they got some great
Speaker 1: ephemera On nirvana And. Soundgarden i'm sure a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of other bands played. THERE i may have even been
Speaker 1: at The Central. Saloon i've been to a lot of
Speaker 1: clubs In. Seattle long, long, long, long, long long long time.
Speaker 1: Ago toured up there with The figs back in the early.
Speaker 1: Aughts and this place looks familiar to one, four looks very.
Speaker 1: Familiar MAYBE i was. There MAYBE i. Was MAYBE i
Speaker 1: didn't know the history WHEN i was. There that would
Speaker 1: have been a. Shame thanks for bringing it to my.
Speaker 1: Attention appreciate you, guys six one seven nine oh six
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Speaker 1: i'll get into all The dylan stuff and next week's
Speaker 1: after party as more people have had a chance to
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Speaker 1: group of folks who were testifying to the facts behind
Speaker 1: THE jfk. Assassination Now Oliver, stone in addition to making
Speaker 1: the great FILM, jfk which tipped off a lot of
Speaker 1: this sort of seeking of truth around this matter prior to,
Speaker 1: That Oliver, STONE i believe it was prior to that
Speaker 1: which first The doors ARE. JFK i could look it,
Speaker 1: up But i'm not going. To i'm trying to stay. Focused,
Speaker 1: anyways they're back to, BACK i, believe and they're both fucking.
Speaker 1: Great The doors is. Great i've had my problem With
Speaker 1: The doors in the, past but you, know it's kind
Speaker 1: OF i, mean there's a lot about it that's, sensational
Speaker 1: BUT i don't. CARE i love. That there was a
Speaker 1: lot About Jim morrison that was, sensational AND i think
Speaker 1: IT'S i think it's a great music bio. Pick and,
Speaker 1: Again i've been up and down with this film over the,
Speaker 1: years BUT i think Where i'm landing with, it Where
Speaker 1: i'm ending with, it IS i fucking love. It and
Speaker 1: of course this brings us to the very sad news
Speaker 1: That Val kilmer has passed. Away this was. Announced WHEN
Speaker 1: i woke up this, MORNING i heard. It and of,
Speaker 1: Course Val kilmer just an incredible, actor a great leading
Speaker 1: man who probably in a previous generation Of hollywood would
Speaker 1: have had a, much a much, bigger more impactful. Career
Speaker 1: not that he didn't have a bit impactful. Career he
Speaker 1: most certainly, did BUT i feel like in the last
Speaker 1: few decades of his, Career val veered somewhat away from
Speaker 1: the leading man, path and he did a lot in
Speaker 1: support of other, filmmakers other, actors and you, know one
Speaker 1: of my Favorite Val kilmer, roles he's not the leading,
Speaker 1: man it's it's In. Heat it's his, character And, heat
Speaker 1: WHO i think is JUST i think that character is.
Speaker 1: INCREDIBLE i think he plays it, incredibly and it's in
Speaker 1: support of Al pacino and really in support Of robert
Speaker 1: De niro more than anything, else and he just fucking kills.
Speaker 1: IT i was reading this morning again relative to what
Speaker 1: we're talking about here About Val kilmer's relationship With Bob,
Speaker 1: dylan and there's this, great this great story That Val
Speaker 1: kilmer tweeted, out and of Course kilmer did that movie
Speaker 1: With Bob, dylan but this Story he depicts this before
Speaker 1: he Does bob's, movie and which is called what Was
Speaker 1: Bob's masked And, anonymous and that's what it was. Called
Speaker 1: prior to. That They kilmer's In New York, city and
Speaker 1: Somehow Bob dylan gets in touch with him and wants
Speaker 1: to come over to his hotel and like meet with.
Speaker 1: Him AND i think they're friends by this, point but
Speaker 1: they haven't quite worked with each, other but they don't
Speaker 1: know each other that. Well and of Course dylan comes
Speaker 1: over and he's all Mysterious, dylan and he Asked kilmer
Speaker 1: to start reciting dialogue from his from his character's role In,
Speaker 1: tombstone And kilmer says to, him, okay sing me blowing
Speaker 1: in the, wind And bob didn't like that at all.
Speaker 1: Apparently But kilmer then goes on to to CREATE i
Speaker 1: guess like a like a spoof version of His tombstone
Speaker 1: quotes set to the lyrics of one Of dylan's. SONGS
Speaker 1: i think it Was it's all, Right, mom only, bleeding
Speaker 1: and he sent it To dylan and They dylan dug,
Speaker 1: it and of course they become, friends and And val
Speaker 1: does that role For bob, later WHICH i just. Loved
Speaker 1: also this morning On Val. KILMER i want to Give
Speaker 1: Val kimer a minute. HERE i saw this tweet From
Speaker 1: Jennifer tilly regarding Regarding kilmer and how he got his
Speaker 1: role In Oliver Stones The. Doors, So Jennifer tilly writes
Speaker 1: ON X a long time, AGO i was auditioning for
Speaker 1: the Movie The. Doors it was kind of a cattle,
Speaker 1: call and they paired together potential gems with potential, pamelas
Speaker 1: and they were running. Behind so we were spilling out
Speaker 1: of the casting office and sitting on the porch in
Speaker 1: the lawn in the. Driveway all of a, sudden a
Speaker 1: sixties convertible came screeching, up blaring doors music at top,
Speaker 1: volume and a guy jumped out and strode. Inside he
Speaker 1: had wild, hair and he was, barefoot, shirtless and wearing
Speaker 1: nothing but a pair of tight leather. Pants we all
Speaker 1: looked at each, other, like who is this? Guy and
Speaker 1: we were more than a little shook by the sheer
Speaker 1: audacity of his. Entrance, well of course it Was Val,
Speaker 1: kilmer and from that minute on nobody else stood a.
Speaker 1: Chance rest in, Peace. KING i love, that AND i
Speaker 1: love how Seriously Val kilmer took getting that role because
Speaker 1: nobody could have played that role as well As Val kilmer.
Speaker 1: Did he fucking destroyed he killed, it killed it for
Speaker 1: a huge part of my late teen, years in my early,
Speaker 1: ADULTHOOD i couldn't even think Of Jim morrison without thinking
Speaker 1: Of Val. Kilmer that's how Good Val kilmer is in that.
Speaker 1: Role And Val kilmer was of course great in a
Speaker 1: ton of different. Roles And i'll be looking for some
Speaker 1: of his films, tonight in this week and this, weekend
Speaker 1: AS i know you guys will as. Well maybe we'll
Speaker 1: even Do Adoors Val kilmer episode of Hollywood land at some.
Speaker 1: Point rest in, Peace Val, kilmer and thank You Oliver
Speaker 1: stone for all the great work you've done over the.
Speaker 1: Years all, right it's that time of the show where
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Speaker 1: get into my recommendations. Here i'm gonna talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about What i'm listening to this week and what more,
Speaker 1: excitedly What i'm. Watching i'm watching two fantastic shows ON.
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Speaker 1: getting it's just getting massive new. Exposure SO i love.
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Speaker 1: AND i, thought you, know we can only release one
Speaker 1: archive episode a. WEEK i should probably do a better
Speaker 1: job of bringing to light some of these other episodes
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Speaker 1: of deadheads who listen to the, show AND i know
Speaker 1: that The Grateful dead episode of Disgrace sand has been
Speaker 1: talked about a, lot but there is a second, episode
Speaker 1: an episode on Pig, pen an episode on The Grateful
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Speaker 1: course you Know I'm i'm a sucker for a good mob.
Speaker 1: Story i'm actually looking, forward by the, way side, note
Speaker 1: to watching that New robert De niro movie where he
Speaker 1: plays two roles simultaneously opposite one. ANOTHER i can't think
Speaker 1: of the name of the, film but it got fucking
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