1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: Making the American Farm Strong Again. 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts now, I 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: want to lay out a thesis for you. You tell me 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: whether you buy it or not. We have seen, in 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: short order, in the last six months seven months, Donald 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: Trump remake the Republican Party in a more significant fashion 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: than I think almost anyone has realized. And I understand 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: because Trump moves so quickly, and because every day is 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: such a frenzy, sometimes it's difficult to tell what matters 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: and what is a distraction. And let me give David Axelrod, 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: probably unexpectedly some credit here. 13 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: Buck. 14 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: In the Alabama administration, he coined the phrase nothing burger, 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: as in a lot of stories bubble up and everybody 16 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: gets really focused on them, and everybody's talking about it. 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: But he would look at that and say, it's a 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: nothing burger. It's a twenty four hour start with nothing burger. 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: I think nothing burger existed before him. Clay, I don't 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: think in the context, in the context of politics, I 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: never heard anybody else apply the phrase nothing burger. That's 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: a good question for etymology, as am I pronouncing that 23 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: word right etymology experts who initially popularized the phrase nothing burger. 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: Good question. 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: Hollywood Gossip columnist Luela Parsons is credited with coining the 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: term nothing burger in the nineteen fifties, according to Google AI. 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: All right, so I apologize, play apologize to the Hollywood 28 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: Gossip Maven for giving credit to ax Arat. I will 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: say I had never heard it really used in a 30 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: political context. My point on that is a lot of 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: what Trump coverage consists of are things that are inconsequential 32 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: that will not last longer than twenty four hours. And 33 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: I think Trump's particular genius is a lot of times people, 34 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: when they say something that turns into a story, will 35 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: backtrack and focus on it and keep on analyzing it. 36 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: Trump just keeps firing. 37 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: He moves forward and sort of as a force of will, 38 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: and he forces you to follow him instead of constantly 39 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: looking at what's behind. 40 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: He's a very forward thinking person. Okay. 41 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: With that in mind, I don't think there's enough discussion 42 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: about how radical Trump has transformed the Republican Party. 43 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: Think about this. 44 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: Buck Elon Musk votes for Joe Biden in twenty twenty 45 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: never endorsed Trump until July thirteenth of twenty twenty, right 46 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: after the assassination attempt Tulci Gabbard, who just got confirmed yesterday. 47 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: I believe Tulca Gabbard ran against Donald Trump in twenty twenty. 48 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: Lifelong Democrat from Hawaii RFK Junior. Until when did he 49 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: officially endorse August? Maybe September. I think Omed Malik, who's 50 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: a friend of the show, deserves a lot of credit 51 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. This guy is really plugged in, and 52 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: he was boys with RFK Junior, and he worked as 53 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: hard as he could to help make this union happen. 54 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: I think it was an August endorsement where RFK Junior 55 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: finally came out and said, I'm on board with Trump. 56 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: What do those people represent? Make America healthy again. I 57 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: think that's something that everybody out there is like, yeah, 58 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: you know what, I wish this nation was healthier, common sense, 59 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: balance the budget, bring a diverse coalition of people of 60 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: a variety of backgrounds who believe in innate American exceptionalism 61 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: and greatness, and remake the Republican Party on the fly 62 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: as the party of common sense and the representative of 63 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: the everyday average American. I don't think most people are 64 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: recognizing what's happening here simultaneously. Buck, It's not just what 65 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: you create. It is because we have developed this system 66 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: of fifty to fifty. Basically in the twenty first century, 67 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: Democrats have gotten used to inherently opposing what Republicans advocate 68 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: for and vice versa. And it's not just that Trump 69 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: has rebuilt the Republican Party. It's that Democrats as a result, 70 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: are increasingly isolating themselves in terms of advocating for small 71 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: minority identity groups that do not not represent the larger 72 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: American population. For example, yesterday, Democrats show up and introduce 73 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: a bill for reparations and argue that America's racist and 74 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: that black people need to be paid because of slavery. 75 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: They also now only two Democrats, Buck, we're willing to 76 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: argue in favor of women's sports only being made up 77 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: of women. They won't even allow that to be voted 78 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: on in the Senate right now. And we also have 79 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: now the attack policy of Democrats being no, no, no. 80 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: Federal workers are great. We shouldn't be searching as aggressively 81 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: as we are for fraud and waste. I think we 82 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: have a building going. I'm not gonna say it's going 83 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: to continue. But the momentum we've got going on right 84 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: now is the Republicans are building a durable, permanent majority party, 85 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: and Democrats are building a permanent, a durable minority party. 86 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: And every day Republicans are expanding their coalition and every 87 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: day Democrats are decreasing theirs. Now, at some point maybe 88 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: sanity returns to the Democrat Party, but out of nowhere 89 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: Trump has built an incredible edifice upon which a new 90 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: party is being built and based. And it's a coalition 91 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: that has a huge tent of just rational, normal, everyday Americans, 92 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: many of whom were Democrats until about six months ago. 93 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think sometimes you can miss the seismic 94 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: impacts because we're looking at all of these twenty four 95 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: hour stories. The idea that Tulci Gabbert and Rfk Junior 96 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: are in the Trump cabinet, that Elon Musk is basically 97 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: sleeping in the White House, all to try to make 98 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: America a more exceptional nation. 99 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 2: Buck. 100 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: If we had said this a year ago, a lot 101 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: of people would have said, you guys are crazy, There's 102 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: no way that's going to happen. Yes, And so the 103 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: question that I have for you is do you buy 104 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: that a new party is being built? And do you 105 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: buy that the Democrats are basically lighting themselves on fire 106 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: every day? How does this change the trajectory that we're 107 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: on right now? 108 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think that we knew that it was Trump's 109 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: Republican party in the first Trump term, and now there's 110 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: been an even further consolidation this time around. Because what 111 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: you have is I think I said this before, but 112 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: I like the analogy. It's like Trump and his team 113 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: did the Rocky training in Siberia before they go up 114 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: against Ivan Drago. 115 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: You know, this is the. 116 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: Most ferociously focused and talented and relentless Trump Maga movement 117 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: that we have ever seen. And that means that Democrats 118 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: have a challenge even if they had some of their 119 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: old stable. 120 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: Of big political names to deal with. 121 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: But it's coming at a time when I think they're 122 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: particularly weak, and I think their arguments are particularly weak. 123 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: Part of this is that one thing you've noticed, you know, Clay, 124 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: you just had the speech on campus, right, and you 125 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: dealt with exposing some young college people to arguments they 126 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: probably had not heard before. I remember when I was 127 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: a college Republican in two thousand. Okay, wow, twenty five 128 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: years that's crazy. Twenty five years ago, I was a freshman, 129 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: and I remember very clearly, very early on, the recognition 130 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: among college Republicans at Amherst then was we know that 131 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 3: we have to be ready to fight, meaning you know, argue, 132 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 3: debate in the classroom, in the study hall, among friends, whatever, 133 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: and so we were always lean, mean. 134 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: And ready for action. 135 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: Democrats, I think got a combination of crazier and flabbier 136 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: intellectually because they had achieved so much information dissemination dominance. 137 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: What I mean is because they could kick you off 138 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 3: the Internet, which they did to parlor, because they could 139 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: count on all social media platforms to be aligned with 140 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: their ideology, to shut down questioning the election, to shut 141 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 3: down questioning masks and lockdowns and the COVID vaccines effectiveness 142 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 3: and all this stuff. I think they just got sloppy, 143 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 3: and I think that as a result, the craziest element 144 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: was able to ascend with the Democrat Party, and they 145 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: were a particularly weak element when it came to being 146 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: able to convince anybody of anything right. So it's like 147 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: the virus, so to speak, was able to run rampant 148 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 3: within the Democrats. And now we're seeing what the casualties 149 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 3: of that are politically. So you know, you have the 150 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: strongest Trump and the strongest MAGA that we have ever seen, 151 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: most consolidated, the most able to bring over converts to 152 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 3: your point about RFKM and TULSI. And at the same 153 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 3: time as you have the weakest Democrat party that we've 154 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 3: seen in my adult lifetime. In twenty five years, this 155 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: is the weakest Democrat party we've ever seen. 156 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: Here's a question I want you guys. 157 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: I think that the party has been remade, and I 158 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: think it's important to think about it. I know many 159 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: of you out there listening may not have been traditional 160 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: listeners of this program. Question that I think is very 161 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: interesting is how do the Democrats eventually align on somebody 162 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: to combat it? And I'm kind we talked about this. 163 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a current office holder who 164 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: is charismatic enough to be that person. So think about 165 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: that second part of this. How durable is the Trump magic? 166 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: How durable is the movement that Trump has built? In 167 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: other words, how much of it transfers to whomever the 168 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: air is and how much of it is unique to 169 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: Trump's own particular brand of what I think you have 170 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: to say, is political fairy dust? 171 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: I mean, he is a unique. 172 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: Political unicorn talent. How much of it transfers. Let's pretend 173 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: that JD. Vance is the guy going forward. These are 174 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: the things I think in the back of your mind, 175 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: big picture that you should be contemplating, because one of 176 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: these big things that you have to keep in mind 177 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: is as good as Trump is and as many wins 178 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: as he is stacking right now, a Democrat with a 179 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: pen at the resolute desk can wipe out an awful 180 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: lot of this greatness over four years. We have to 181 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: stack multiple terms to your point. 182 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 3: About whether it transfers and whether you know and I 183 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: think Trump it was interesting. We didn't discuss this, but 184 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 3: he was asked in a recent interview. I think it 185 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: was Brett Baer, is JD. Vance your successor? And he 186 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: responded something along the lines of JD is super competent 187 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: and capable, but you know, we'll see. And I think 188 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: we have to keep that in mind. Whether the not 189 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 3: knots for JD specifically, but just what happens with the 190 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: MAGA movement going forward with Trump's Republican Party. A lot 191 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 3: of it will be determined by how successful the next 192 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 3: eighteen months are. The next eighteen months is a continuation 193 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 3: of what we've seen in this first month, then I 194 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 3: think you're just going to have an incredibly robust party 195 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: that has a solid majority of the American people behind 196 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: it and can count upon a whole bunch of people 197 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: to take the torch and move forward with it. You know, 198 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: it all depends. Right right now everything looks rosy and great. 199 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: We got to see where everything goes. So but I 200 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: think the case for optimism right now is stronger for 201 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 3: the Republican Party, for this new Republican Party under Trump overall, 202 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: than it has been in a very long time. I mean, really, 203 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: the only kind of consolidation I think you've seen among 204 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 3: Republicans that is in any way similar to what we 205 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: have now is the immediate aftermath of nine to eleven, 206 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: which is very different. That's getting together in the bunker 207 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: to fight an existential threat against our way of life 208 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: in our society. That's not I think We're going to 209 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: tackle the debt and have a booming economy and have peace. 210 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: So we're in a different place now under Trump, but 211 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: we've had a similar level of consolidation among Republicans that 212 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 3: we haven't seen in twenty plus years. 213 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 2: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. 214 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: We are joined by Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Mister Secretary, 215 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: I appreciate you making the time for us. A lot 216 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: going on in the world. 217 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me. 218 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: Let's jump right into it. 219 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 3: There's so much we want to ask you about the 220 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: start of this Trump administration. The domestic stuff, the executive 221 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: orders has got a tremendous amount of focus, but the 222 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 3: president has an ambitious foreign policy agenda that you are 223 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 3: the point person for. Let's just start with if you 224 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 3: could set the table on Russia Ukraine and the reporting 225 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 3: that Trump is eager to have negotiations to end that conflict, 226 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: to at least bring about a ceasefire. 227 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 4: Well, the great thing about working for President Trump is 228 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: there's not a lot of ambiguity. I mean, he's pretty straightforward, 229 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 4: and he's been campaigning and saying the war would have 230 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 4: never happened if he was president. I believe that to 231 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 4: be true. He said that yesterday too, tootom and putin 232 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 4: by the way, and and he wants it to end now. 233 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: He wants to end the war. He's not looking for 234 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 4: just like a pause. You know, he's looking for it 235 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 4: to end and uh. And then it's gonna it's gonna 236 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 4: be hard, uh, and it's gonna have to move in stages. 237 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: You know. Maybe it starts with a ceasefire that's not 238 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 4: been agreed to, negotiated, but I'm just saying that. And 239 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 4: then you know, opening things like eight corridors and ensuring 240 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 4: that both sides you know, aren't targeting energy infrastructure. So 241 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 4: we'll see how that plays out. And by the way, 242 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: I think the US is not going to happen without Trump. 243 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 4: He's the only one in the world that can bring 244 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 4: it something like this together. But it has to be 245 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 4: a global effort. It's not just US, it's not just 246 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: Europe or NATO. I mean, countries around the world are 247 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: gonna have to participate. Now, I will say Europe is 248 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: going to have to provide if there's going to be 249 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 4: durable security guarantees for Ukraine. Uh, that's gonna have to 250 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 4: be the Europeans who have to be willing to step 251 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 4: up and do that. And but there's a lot of 252 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 4: sensitive issues to talk about, territorial claims, you know, arms 253 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 4: control and things of that nature, language and cultural matters. 254 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 4: All that's going to have to be worked through. And finally, 255 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 4: you know, the US is going to have a stake 256 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 4: in Ukraine's long term independence and that should be anchored 257 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 4: in an ongoing economic interests. You know, whether it's the 258 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 4: ability to hopefully we'll have some newsier soon on that, 259 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: the ability to partner with Ukraine a joint venture or 260 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 4: something like that for their mineral rights, you know, all 261 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 4: the natural resources they have, and some of that money 262 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 4: will go back to pay back the US taxpayer for 263 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: the billions of dollars and that's been spent there, and 264 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 4: part of it was going to be reinvested back into 265 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: Ukraine to rebuild all the destruction that's happened there, you know, 266 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 4: their infrastructure and things like that. But it's a lot 267 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 4: of hard work. But yesterday was the first step in 268 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 4: a long journey that lies ahead. But it's this all 269 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 4: reiterate what the President said that the killing and the 270 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 4: dying has to stop in Ukraine. 271 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: We're talking to Secretary of State Marco Rubio. There has 272 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: been talk that you are going going to Munich and 273 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: that there could be conversations potentially as early as tomorrow. 274 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: Is that taking place, Will you be traveling to Europe. 275 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: What is the procedure under which conversations like these that 276 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: could lead to a ceasefire would take place. 277 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: What can you tell us about that? 278 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I mean, we got to work 279 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 4: through all that. I will be in Europe tomorrow, be 280 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 4: in Germany, for it was already scheduled to be there. 281 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 4: The Vice President and I'll be meeting with Zelenski and 282 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 4: at some point you know that you will have to 283 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 4: engage with Russian counterparts. So we haven't talked to the 284 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: Russians in almost two and a half years. So I 285 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: think the president's call yesterday with Ladimir Putin was the 286 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 4: first presidential call of Latimir Putin two and a half years. 287 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 4: So we'll have some work to do in terms of 288 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 4: just rebuilding the lines of communication. We'll have to wait 289 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 4: for the Russians to identify their counterparts and the people 290 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 4: are going to be involved on their end, And obviously 291 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 4: you know we're going to be talking to Ukraine, and 292 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 4: we're going to be talking to all of our allies 293 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 4: and partners in Europe and around the world regarding this 294 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 4: as well. They're going to be involved in all this. 295 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: So there's still some work to do and sort of 296 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 4: setting all that up to yesterday was really about confirming 297 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 4: that both Putin and Selensky want the war to end, 298 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 4: and now it's about the work of trying to figure 299 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 4: out how we get there. 300 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: What does that meeting with Zolensky look and feel like 301 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: from your perspective? 302 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just kind of curious. 303 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: Are there tons of Ukrainian tons, meaning four or five 304 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: Ukrainian leaders alongside of them? Is it jd Vance, you 305 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: and maybe heg Seth and Zolensky? What does a conversation 306 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: look like tomorrow in Munich? 307 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 2: Well, I know. 308 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 4: It'll be me and the vice the Vice president and 309 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 4: I and I'm not sure who else. I don't know 310 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: if Pete's going to be a part of that, or 311 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 4: he's got a bunch of other things he's working on. 312 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 4: He could be. I mean, he's great, he's doing a 313 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 4: great job. I was just watching him on TV here 314 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: a few minutes ago. He's doing phenomenal. And then you 315 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 4: have on the Ukrainian side. My guess is he'd probably 316 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 4: be accompanied by some of his people as well. But 317 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 4: you know, they come and they take a bunch of pictures, 318 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 4: and the press walks out and then we talk about 319 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 4: these things as we've outlined, and we'll hear their point 320 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 4: of view. And the President talked to Zelenski, actually talked 321 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: to them close to forty five minutes. And by the way, 322 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 4: some people say, look how much shorter it was. The 323 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 4: difference is with Putin you have to have these translators 324 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 4: and it just takes forever back and forth. You know, 325 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: as Zelensky speaks a little English, you know, they're able 326 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 4: to talk and communicate more directly, and it moves a 327 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 4: lot faster. So you know, my senses, it will be 328 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 4: a good meeting. It'll be a productive meeting, will sort 329 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 4: of restate the President's position and view of this moving forward. 330 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 4: We'll hear their input and they have to be a 331 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 4: part of it. Obviously it's their country, you know, so 332 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 4: we're going to be talking to them tomorrow. And like 333 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 4: I said, much of the stuff to be frank, and 334 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 4: I know a lot of people pretend, but let me just 335 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 4: say a lot of this stuff can't happen in front 336 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 4: of cameras and the press. You know, it's got to 337 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 4: be that's not the way this stuff works. I mean, 338 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 4: you have to do it in these meetings. And private 339 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 4: and just walk through it until we have something to announce. 340 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 4: That won't be tomorrow, obviously, but we have a lot 341 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 4: of work ahead. 342 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 3: We're speaking the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, and mister Secretary, 343 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: if you could address a little bit of where you 344 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 3: see the Trump administration on Gaza. You know, the comments 345 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 3: that President Trump has made on that recently get a 346 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: lot of attention, the possibility of some kind of rebuilding effort, 347 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: I know it's very early stage. And then if you 348 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: would also just transition into what is the Trump administration 349 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 3: framework for the Mideast more broadly in the next four years? 350 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: What are the things that you're trying to accomplish top 351 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: of the list. 352 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 4: Well, those two things are related. Let's just talk about 353 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 4: Gaza for a moment. I mean, obviously we've seen what's 354 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 4: happened there. It looked like that ceasefire might fall apart, 355 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 4: you know at some point here because Hamas was saying 356 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 4: they weren't going to release the hostages that were scheduled 357 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 4: to be released. Now I see news reports that that's 358 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 4: back on, and that would be good. But ultimately, whenever 359 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 4: this process ends at some point, then you've got to 360 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 4: figure out Okay, what happens with Gaza. So the president 361 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 4: you know, sitting around everybody, you know, all these countries 362 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 4: say how much they care about the Palestinians, but none 363 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 4: of them want to take any Palestinians. None of them 364 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 4: have a history doing anything for Gaza in that matter. 365 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 4: And so President says, all right, then this is what 366 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 4: we're going to do. You know, we'll we'll take it on. 367 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 4: We'll have to move people around. It's the only plan 368 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 4: out there right now. Now. If someone has a better plan, 369 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 4: and we hope they do, If the Arab countries have 370 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 4: a better plan, then that's great. Then they say they do, 371 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 4: they're going to come up with it. We're going to 372 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: look at it, see what it's you know, regarding, and 373 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 4: then what it does. Obviously, I can tell you that 374 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 4: any plan that leaves Humas there is going to be 375 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 4: a problem because Israel is not going to tolerate it. 376 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 4: We're going to be right back where we were. So 377 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 4: but we're going to give them a chance to come 378 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 4: up with a plan. You know, I think they're working 379 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 4: in good faith and not just to pay for it, 380 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 4: by the way, because it's not just if someone's going 381 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: to have to go on the ground. I mean, Hamas 382 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 4: has guns, they have weapons. Someone has to confront those guys. 383 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 4: Who's that going to be. It's not going to be 384 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 4: American soldiers. If the countries in the region can't figure 385 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 4: that piece out, then Israel is going to have to 386 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 4: do it, and then we're back to where we've been, 387 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 4: you know. So that doesn't solve the problem. So we're 388 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 4: going to give them time. I know they're getting together. 389 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 4: I think they're meeting in Saudi Arabia in a couple 390 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 4: of weeks, and then they're going to get back to 391 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 4: us with a plan. And it's one of the reasons 392 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 4: why I'm trying traveling after I leave Germany to the 393 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 4: Middle East, to Saudi Arabia, to the UAE and to 394 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 4: Israel to hear from the UAE and Saudi Arabia and 395 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 4: I our partners. We already met with the Egyptian We 396 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 4: talked to the Egyptians this week, We met with the 397 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 4: Jordanians this week, and hopefully they're going to have a 398 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 4: really good plan and to present the president. But right now, 399 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 4: the only plan they don't like it. But the only 400 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 4: plan is the Trump plan. So they've got a better plan, 401 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 4: you know, now's the time to present it. So we're 402 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 4: looking forward to that. 403 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: We're talking to Secretary of State Marco Rubio. You have 404 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: served in the Senate for a while. You are an 405 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: expert in foreign relations there. What is the difference when 406 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: you talk to foreign leaders between Joe Biden as president 407 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump as president? How much different is difference 408 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: is it making? And what is the impact in two 409 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: fields of war where we're got to cease fire right 410 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 1: now hopefully it holds in the Middle East and another 411 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: where hopefully one day in the near future we can 412 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: get one. And how much has Trump selection changed the 413 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: calculus for foreign leaders? 414 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Biden and Trump not even in the 415 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 4: same universe, right, I mean, not even in the same universe. 416 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 4: I'll give you a great example. So President Trump said, 417 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 4: you know this hostage thing, you know where these people 418 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 4: are trickling out and now they're saying they're not going 419 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 4: to do it. He says, all right, you don't do it, 420 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 4: that's fine. If it's not done by Saturday, then all 421 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 4: hell's going to break loose, And all of a sudden, 422 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 4: Jima says, well, we're back on that. Deals back on. 423 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 4: So I mean, that's night and day from what we 424 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 4: used to see in the past. I think part of 425 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 4: it is clarity. I mean, he's just very clear. Part 426 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 4: of it is action, he actually does things. And I 427 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 4: think the other point is that we have a president 428 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 4: now in Donald Trump who says, like, this is what 429 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 4: I'm going to do, and then he like he does it. 430 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 4: And you know, a lot of these foreign leaders are 431 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 4: used to American diplomacy, where you sort of talk around 432 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 4: issues and you use flowery language and you say, well, 433 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 4: this is what we might do, this is what we 434 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 4: could do. Trump doesn't work that way. He kind of says, 435 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 4: this is what I'm going to do, and then he 436 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 4: actually does it, and then there's a shock factor at 437 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 4: this point. But I and to some degree, but ultimately 438 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 4: I think the reason why you know, he's the only 439 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 4: person in the world that can end this conflict with 440 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 4: Ukraine and actually he's the only person in the world 441 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 4: that can serve as a catalyst for some structure in 442 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 4: the Middle East that prevents just endless cycles of war, 443 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 4: is because he understands the language of how to put 444 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 4: deals together and that's what he's done his whole life. 445 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 4: Now he's just doing from a geopolitical perspective, and and 446 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 4: he speaks very clearly, very bluntly, and then he acts. 447 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 4: I'm watching on the news right now. I remember he's 448 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 4: They're like, oh, he's not really going to do tariffs, 449 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 4: and he's just announcing reciprocal tariffs out there. So it's 450 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 4: just an enormous advantage because from a foreign policy standpoint, 451 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 4: there's just a lot of clarity. When I talk to 452 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 4: my foreign counterparts, there isn't any ambiguity. They're not wondering 453 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 4: what does he mean or what is he really going 454 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 4: to do? No, they know what he's going to do, 455 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 4: and and it gives us. I think it actually makes 456 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 4: foreign policy better. You know, it makes foreign policy better 457 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 4: when you're when you're predictable, when they know what you're 458 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 4: going to do because you said that's what you're going 459 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 4: to do. When you when you act differently, they countries 460 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 4: are all acting in their own national interests. They'll try 461 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 4: to take advantage of you. They'll try to, you know, 462 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 4: get ahead of you, they'll try to work around you. 463 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 4: You can't do that with Donald Trump. So I would 464 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 4: argue that probably the best job in Washington right now 465 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: is to be the secretary of State for Donald Trump. 466 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 3: Mister Secretary, I know you were down in El Salvador 467 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: with President Buchalie recently and it's a small country, but 468 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 3: big lessons and I think could be big implications for 469 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 3: Latin America and honestly for any nation state paying attention. 470 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 3: Can you just speak to what seems like something of 471 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: a miracle that has occurred because of good governance in 472 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: that country and what it means for our relationship, not 473 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 3: just with El Salvador, but you know, with the region 474 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 3: with Latin America. 475 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I bu Kelly is first of all, 476 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 4: he's a big fan and supporter of the United States 477 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 4: and always has been. The Biden people treated him very poorly, 478 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 4: very bad. You know, they treated him very poorly. They 479 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 4: called him a dictator and an autocrat, even though the 480 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 4: guy won like ninety percent of the votes. Is huge popularity. 481 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 4: I mean, the opposition to him and al Savadra was 482 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 4: like a five percent movement, you know. And one of 483 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 4: the things that made him popular is this. You know, 484 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 4: for twenty years in El Salvada, you couldn't live you 485 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 4: really couldn't. I mean, if you owned this, let's say 486 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: you were you had a little small stand that out 487 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 4: in a you know, on a street corner or something. 488 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 4: Every week, some young kid would come on a bicycle 489 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 4: and you'd have to pay him the protection money. And 490 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 4: if you didn't, then the gangs would come and you know, 491 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 4: kill your daughter, or kidnap your son, or murder your 492 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 4: husband or whatever. I mean, that's what used to happen. 493 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 4: You couldn't walk, you couldn't be out it after six 494 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 4: pm at night. You couldn't be out in the streets 495 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 4: of El Salvador. So he went and he basically wrapped 496 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 4: up all these gang members and threw him all in 497 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 4: a big prison that he built by the way, in 498 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 4: seven months, and all of a sudden, the crime disappeared overnight. 499 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 4: It's a completely different country, and people love it because 500 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 4: they feel safe. And that's why he's so popular. He 501 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 4: doesn't have to be an autocrat. He's not because he's 502 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 4: popular and so I think it's a great example. But 503 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 4: he's also a good friend of the United States. He 504 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 4: was just treated very badly, very poorly by the previous administration. 505 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 4: But now with President Trump, he's got an ally and 506 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 4: someone we can work with. And they made very generous 507 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 4: offers last week. I mean, they agreed that Obviously they're 508 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,239 Speaker 4: going to take all the MS thirteen people in our 509 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 4: country they're from Salar, but they're also going to take 510 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 4: gang members. We send them like trained dot Agua and 511 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 4: those guns. And he also offered something which you probably 512 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 4: won't be able to do just because of our constitution, 513 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 4: but he said, look, if you've got prisoners from the 514 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 4: US and you want to outsource you know, the prison 515 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 4: system to us, and you want to send us some 516 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 4: really bad guys, we've got room in our jrails for 517 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 4: them as well. So very generous offer on this part 518 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 4: of me. No one's ever offered that, So I think 519 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 4: it just shows he's a very pro American president who 520 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: was treated very poorly by Joe Biden's administration. 521 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 3: And just one more for you, mister secretary on Mexico. 522 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 3: What do we want, what can we expect? What are 523 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 3: the goals for this Trump administration, because that's obviously a 524 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 3: critical relationship and there's a room for improvement. 525 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that deal, I mean that situation is broken 526 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 4: up into two pieces. One is tariffs and that the 527 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,239 Speaker 4: Treasury and Commerce sectarier are going to be handling that. 528 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 4: And I think how Lutnik will be confirmed here in 529 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 4: a few minutes and when he is in the Senate 530 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 4: and hopefully he'll be taking charge of the tariff piece 531 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 4: of it. They're interrelated, but they're separate topics. And then 532 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 4: I'm working with Pambondi and Christinom on the security piece 533 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 4: of it. You know, our interest is we want to 534 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 4: stop the human trafficking and the migratory trafficking across the 535 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 4: US border. We want the fentanyl to stop, we want 536 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 4: the drugs to stop. We don't want these cartel people 537 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 4: coming over our border. So we're asking them to take 538 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 4: steps even more steps to stop that from happening. And 539 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 4: they are asking us to help them keep guns out 540 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 4: of the hands of these these cartels. A lot of 541 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 4: these cartels they're finding ways to buy guns or whatever 542 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 4: in the United States and they come back the other way. 543 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 4: So we're working on a plan with them collectively. Right 544 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 4: We're going to work together them on their side of 545 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 4: the border, us on our side of the border, so 546 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 4: we can take care of their you know, their gun 547 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 4: running problem, and they can help take care of the 548 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 4: fentanyl problem and the mass migration problem and the cartel problem. 549 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 4: And we're looking to our teams are talking and hopefully 550 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 4: we'll have something positive to announce. And you know, I've 551 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 4: got a great team with Christy and Christy Noman and 552 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 4: Pam Bondi, and we were talking to Pam about it yesterday. 553 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: So we've got a good team. And the Mexicans have 554 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 4: a good team. So we're gonna we're gonna work on 555 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 4: that and I think we're gonna have something positive on 556 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 4: that front fairly soon. 557 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: Last question for you, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, how 558 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: awesome was it watching your son score for the Florida 559 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: Gators in a bowl game much less serious? You got 560 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: a lot of serious things going on in your life, 561 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: but that had to be pretty incredible as a dad. 562 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, of course it is. No, I'm happy. You 563 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 4: know the best part about that for me, it wasn't 564 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 4: the score. I mean, the score is great. He had 565 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 4: other carries he had And let me tell you something. 566 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 4: What happened was that they had this big guy des 567 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 4: Watson in there, and they they'd run him a couple 568 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 4: of plays earlier, and my son said, I know that 569 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 4: we get to the one yard line, they're going to 570 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 4: put that guy in to run it over the goal 571 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 4: line to give him his go away present. So he 572 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 4: said if he saw that open and he hit that 573 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 4: hole so hard he had he knew he had to 574 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 4: score it. Because I got down to the one or two, 575 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 4: he wasn't going to get the ball. But my favorite part, honestly, 576 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 4: was not the score. My favorite part was the way 577 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 4: his teammates reacted to see the end bench come off 578 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 4: and I saw the flags fly, and I was worried, 579 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 4: you know, he had spiked the bomb, like, oh damn, 580 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 4: you know it's gonna but they called it on the 581 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 4: entire Florida bench. The way his teammates reacted, it shows 582 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 4: me that the kid is a good teammate. He works 583 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 4: halrready has the respect and love of his teammates. And 584 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 4: that tells you, I mean, that makes you proud. That's 585 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 4: what I was the proud of stuff. To be honest 586 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 4: with you, that was what I was proud of. Stuff. 587 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 2: Well that's a proud dad moment. 588 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: I know you're out there busting your ass for the 589 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: country on a day to day basis, but it's good 590 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: to be a dad and get to celebrate some of 591 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: those things. Well, appreciate you making the time, be safe 592 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: on your trips, and we'll talk to you again soon. 593 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks for having me on. 594 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 3: Thank you sir,