Speaker 1: Oh boy, it could happen. Here a podcast about what
Speaker 1: we like to call the crumbles, which is the process
Speaker 1: of the aspects of modern life that were nice and
Speaker 1: convenient and functional breaking down as the climate and our
Speaker 1: political systems continue to fray around the edges and gradually collapse. Today,
Speaker 1: a lot of you are living through a pretty undeniable
Speaker 1: piece of that. If you're anywhere kind of in the
Speaker 1: Eastern Seaboard, if you're in New York City, if you're
Speaker 1: in Philly, if you're in DC, if you're in one
Speaker 1: of the other places at Baltimore, you're dealing with air
Speaker 1: quality the likes of which you've probably never seen unless
Speaker 1: you fled there from the West coast. Basically everyone who
Speaker 1: lives in the northeast of the United States right now,
Speaker 1: as well as a huge number of Canadians, are absolutely
Speaker 1: cloaked in wildfire smoke, drowning in the ghosts of a
Speaker 1: thousand forests. And that's a bummer. It's a bummer, and
Speaker 1: it's a real problem. And so I wanted to kind
Speaker 1: of sit down with Margaret Killjoy, our resident Prepper extraordinaiy Hi, Margaret, Hello,
Speaker 1: how are you yeah? Doing great? Because we're not drowning
Speaker 1: in wildfire smoke. But three years ago in Portland in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the air quality was even worse than it
Speaker 1: is in New York City right now. So I've got
Speaker 1: some experience dealing with this, and Margaret, you spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time thinking about practical prepping, and that's something
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of folks probably are wishing
Speaker 1: that they had spent more time doing right now. This
Speaker 1: is the kind of thing that happens. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not on you know, anybody is like a moral thing.
Speaker 1: But it happens anytime there's a disaster that affects everybody
Speaker 1: at once, all the stuff that is useful for countering
Speaker 1: that disaster sells out or is looted very very quickly,
Speaker 1: and then people suddenly don't have the kind of options
Speaker 1: for tools that they need. You know, this is not great.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to kind of sit down first off
Speaker 1: and kind of talk about one of the better airsats
Speaker 1: tools that you can put together if you are trying
Speaker 1: to deal with the problem of making your air cleaner.
Speaker 1: And basically we have to kind of split this problem
Speaker 1: into two. Right there is the problem of what do
Speaker 1: I do if I'm going outside, and we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that later. But there's stuff that you purchase, you know,
Speaker 1: that is the only things that's going or stuff that
Speaker 1: you already had on hand is all that's going to
Speaker 1: help in that instance. But there are some things you
Speaker 1: can do to keep your inside space clean of particulate
Speaker 1: and relatively safe that don't require at least as many
Speaker 1: things to purchase, and that are you know, can be
Speaker 1: made with stuff that you probably are likelier to have
Speaker 1: on hand. So I want to talk first about what
Speaker 1: you can do to like filter your indoor air. You know,
Speaker 1: in Portland, when we had our horrible fucking wildfire apocalypse,
Speaker 1: yellow smog blanketing the world and making everything look like
Speaker 1: fucking blade runner, everyone at least had gas masks and
Speaker 1: full face respirators, which you know, folks in the Northeast
Speaker 1: right now haven't gone through that experience and so don't
Speaker 1: have that kind of stuff on hand. But what we
Speaker 1: didn't have in Portland was the stuff that can keep
Speaker 1: your indoors cleaner. For one thing, people don't have like
Speaker 1: HEPA filters or central air you know in Oregon as
Speaker 1: often as they have it in some other parts of
Speaker 1: this country. And so a lot of people wound up
Speaker 1: creating building for themselves what are called Corsey Rosenthal boxes
Speaker 1: now a Coarsey Rosenthal box is a kind of like
Speaker 1: air filtration system for rooms that's made up of a
Speaker 1: box fan and five air filters, like the kind of
Speaker 1: filters that you're going to use for your HVAC system
Speaker 1: in your house. Right, pretty much most houses are going
Speaker 1: to have some kind of like air filter already, and
Speaker 1: they're also widely available, Like if you go to any
Speaker 1: home depot or lows, they're going to have a shitload
Speaker 1: of air filters. You can use multiple different types. The
Speaker 1: bigger the air filter, the more air it'll handle. Coursey
Speaker 1: Rosenthal boxes were invented kind of right at the start
Speaker 1: of the pandemic. One of the guys who made it,
Speaker 1: Richard Corsi, was an environmental engineer who kind of realized
Speaker 1: as soon as the pandos started that a lot of
Speaker 1: poor people were going to be absolutely fucked when it
Speaker 1: came to filtering air in their homes because good you
Speaker 1: can get like a nice Hepa filter, like standalone Hepa filter,
Speaker 1: but they're usually several hundred dollars. So he wanted to
Speaker 1: try and provide people with something that could make that
Speaker 1: was a lot cheaper. He had worked previously with the
Speaker 1: CEO of a filter company that I think is based
Speaker 1: in Texas, so he called that guy up and they
Speaker 1: collaborated on a design that basically used you build like
Speaker 1: a box out of air filters and you stick a
Speaker 1: back box fan on top of it. If you google
Speaker 1: Coursey Co R SI, Dash Rosenthal R O, S E
Speaker 1: N T H A L box, you'll find the Wikipedia
Speaker 1: page which has a guide to making these. It's very simple.
Speaker 1: If you're not crafty at all or have no real tools,
Speaker 1: you can still make it work. I've won a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, you know, when shit happened in Portland,
Speaker 1: as did several people I knew. And they're not hard
Speaker 1: to do, and the most common size of box that
Speaker 1: you can build will allow it'll basically change the air
Speaker 1: out in a room five full times per hour and
Speaker 1: a five hundred square foot room, which is reasonably good.
Speaker 1: It'll make a meaningful difference in your indoor air quality
Speaker 1: if you're like blanketed in Hell's mog right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about That's about the same as like one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars if you were to like go
Speaker 2: out and buy, yeah, a five hundred square foot filter,
Speaker 2: it would be about one hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 1: And that is about what this will cost you right now,
Speaker 1: I think, because shit's got more expensive. At least that's
Speaker 1: what a recent Outside magazine article gave the cost of
Speaker 1: constructing this interesting that said you might be able to
Speaker 1: get it for cheaper. There's a good chance, that's if
Speaker 1: you're buying everything. Most people in most places have a
Speaker 1: box fan, you know, and most people have a couple
Speaker 1: of filters, which which should cut down on the cost.
Speaker 1: You know, It'll depend on kind of where you are
Speaker 1: and what things are are running. But Hepa filters are
Speaker 1: also standalone ones likelier to sell out fast as opposed
Speaker 1: to kind of the raw components to making a Coarsey
Speaker 1: Rosenthal filter, So you may find it easier to get
Speaker 1: access to I like the Corsey Rosenthal filter for a
Speaker 1: couple of other reasons. Obviously, it's accessible and it's comparatively affordable,
Speaker 1: but it also is something that you can make yourself
Speaker 1: that will have a meaningful impact on how you weather
Speaker 1: this event. That's important psychologically in a disaster, feeling as
Speaker 1: if you have some sort of agency by actually doing
Speaker 1: the useful thing, and it can also be important from
Speaker 1: a community point of view. You can thear hdically raise
Speaker 1: money and put together people to make Corsey Rosenthal boxes
Speaker 1: and hand them out to people who maybe can't afford
Speaker 1: them or you know, have mobility issues or less able
Speaker 1: to get the equipment. That's the kind of thing that
Speaker 1: builds community connection and also offers an immediate alleviation of
Speaker 1: suffering and health consequences for people, which is the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that I like to see people doing in
Speaker 1: a disaster like this. I also kind of like this
Speaker 1: filter because it represents a rare example of people you
Speaker 1: might call elites taking immediate action to ensure cash poor
Speaker 1: individuals had a life saving tool available to themselves. It's
Speaker 1: one of those kind of rare examples from the start
Speaker 1: of the pandemic of like that radical solidarity we saw
Speaker 1: bits and pieces of. And I think Jim Rosenthal and
Speaker 1: Richard Corsi are pretty cool in my book for figuring
Speaker 1: out this thing. So you know, there's a lot that's
Speaker 1: nice about these filters.
Speaker 2: So I just looked at the cost of making one,
Speaker 2: I just like kind of added it together. It looks
Speaker 2: like you could probably make one for about sixty five bucks.
Speaker 1: Oh great, great, great grade. It is probably the outside
Speaker 1: guy was probably buying all the Gucci shit.
Speaker 2: Right, if you just buy cheap, you need at least
Speaker 2: a MERV thirteen filter. That's the level of filter where
Speaker 2: it starts cutting out smoke. And if you get the
Speaker 2: twenty inch filters, which I think is what usually people
Speaker 2: are getting a twenty inch box fan, and so it's
Speaker 2: and then you only need the four filters, I believe,
Speaker 2: because the bottom isn't sucking air in the bottom ends
Speaker 2: up a flat when I was looking at it earlier today.
Speaker 2: But you've built one and I haven't.
Speaker 1: So yeah, honestly, it was three years ago. Yeah, everybody,
Speaker 1: I misspoke saying five. I think you can do it
Speaker 1: just fine with four. I'm not sure if either we
Speaker 1: did it weird when we did it last or if
Speaker 1: I was just remembering wrong, But that means, yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot more available. Like I had three filters on hand
Speaker 1: in my house this morning, just because that's how many,
Speaker 1: you know, I usually keep as a backup. So a
Speaker 1: lot of you are probably in a similar situation. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a more accessible thing compared to the equipment. We're
Speaker 1: about to start talking about stuff like respirators and stuff
Speaker 1: like standalone HEPA filters, which are likely to sell out
Speaker 1: pretty quickly as people go to all of the stores
Speaker 1: to buy up all the things.
Speaker 2: Although I will say it's almost depressing right now. I
Speaker 2: was checking availability for some of my East Coast friends.
Speaker 2: I'm actually an East Coast friend normally, but I went
Speaker 2: to the land of Smoke, the usual smoke Pacific Northwest
Speaker 2: and missed it. But most things are still available right now,
Speaker 2: at least as of recording. I don't know whether it's
Speaker 2: people just haven't put it together that it's necessary, or
Speaker 2: people felt like they couldn't afford it. A lot of
Speaker 2: stuff is still in stock as of this.
Speaker 1: That's really good to hear, because that's what we're about
Speaker 1: to get into. So I did want to kind of
Speaker 1: lead into this, moving from this kind of what I
Speaker 1: think is inspiring about the course E. Rosenthal filter, which
Speaker 1: is that it's something that is accessible, something that people
Speaker 1: can work on and provide for each other together, and
Speaker 1: sort of representative of the kind of radical solidarity see
Speaker 1: in disasters. I think that's kind of particularly meaningful to
Speaker 1: me because of why this air quality event is so
Speaker 1: frightening to folks. You know, people who are in New
Speaker 1: York or Philly, or Richmond or DC or a lot
Speaker 1: of other places in the Northeast have not dealt with
Speaker 1: this kind of air quality before. This is because most
Speaker 1: people who are young in those areas, because most young
Speaker 1: Americans have had the privilege of experiencing air pollution primarily
Speaker 1: as either an annoyance or as an abstract concept. A
Speaker 1: big part of why is that the Clean Air Act,
Speaker 1: instituted in nineteen sixty three, did a huge amount to
Speaker 1: stop the kind of poisoning of the sky that led
Speaker 1: to fairly regular smog events in the fifties and early
Speaker 1: to mid nineteen sixties, even nineteen seventies in a lot
Speaker 1: of parts of this country. You know, it took a while.
Speaker 1: There was more involved than just the Clean Air Act,
Speaker 1: but shit like this used to be a lot more common,
Speaker 1: and Americans suffered from a variety of illnesses, including adult
Speaker 1: onset emphysema or young adult on set mphysima at a
Speaker 1: much higher rate because of stuff like this. If you
Speaker 1: are young, and by young, I mean like my age,
Speaker 1: Margaret's age, you know, not all that young. Because air
Speaker 1: quality in the United States has been significantly better than
Speaker 1: it was for like my parents when they were kids.
Speaker 1: For quite a while, you have benefited from a pretty
Speaker 1: remarkably successful campaign to render Americans at least less vulnerable
Speaker 1: to them to this kind of pollution. Now, this came
Speaker 1: alongside years of others' reforms and things like emission standards,
Speaker 1: which were successful enough that in like West La right now,
Speaker 1: a lot of days of the year you can see
Speaker 1: the mountains. That was not a thing for people who
Speaker 1: lived in Los Angeles and say the nineteen seventies. I
Speaker 1: had an annual check up right after I moved there
Speaker 1: with my doctor in you know, southern California, and I
Speaker 1: asked him, like what life had been like there during
Speaker 1: the small years. And the thing that he mentioned to
Speaker 1: me that stuck with me is that he had a
Speaker 1: shitload of like patients in their twenties who had like
Speaker 1: the early symptoms of emphysema, which is just not a
Speaker 1: thing that really occurred occurs in southern California anymore. Although,
Speaker 1: you know, because of climate change, there are similar things
Speaker 1: that are starting to hit. You know, there's a number
Speaker 1: of like fungal based infections that people are getting, particularly
Speaker 1: in the valley that's really nasty and wildfire smoke could
Speaker 1: bring back a lot of this stuff. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: we're kind of looking at a lot of the gains
Speaker 1: in public health caused by reducing you know, the amount
Speaker 1: of smog in the air going away as a result
Speaker 1: of you know, externalities that can't be controlled locally. Now,
Speaker 1: the downside of the really lovely state of affairs that
Speaker 1: was kind of ushered into the Clean Air Act is
Speaker 1: that most Americans have spent their lives in kind of
Speaker 1: a bubble of artificially pure air, while the negative externalities
Speaker 1: that made are tech heavy lives possible were exported to
Speaker 1: the global South, and those people experienced with increasing regularity
Speaker 1: the kind of catastrophic pollution that in an earlier age
Speaker 1: here caused the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland to light on
Speaker 1: fire every spring or so. Globally, in twenty eighteen, some
Speaker 1: eight point seven million deaths were caused by air pollution,
Speaker 1: specifically pollution created via the burning of fossil fuels. David
Speaker 1: Wallace Wells, who writes about climate catastrophe better than most people,
Speaker 1: put the cost this way in a testimony before the
Speaker 1: US Senate Committee on the Budget in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Those punishments are harrowingly widespread. The Lancet puts the global
Speaker 1: annual death toll of air pollution at nine million. This
Speaker 1: is dying at the scale of the Holocaust every single year.
Speaker 1: In India, where three hundred and forty nine thousand stillbirths
Speaker 1: and miscarriages have been attributed annually to the effects of
Speaker 1: air pollution, the average resident of Delhih had his or
Speaker 1: her life expectancy shortened by more than nine years from
Speaker 1: the repetitive inhalation of smog. Globally, the average figure is
Speaker 1: two years.
Speaker 2: So this is bad.
Speaker 1: So this is real bad, and it's one of those
Speaker 1: things that we're it's it's so shocking and traumatic to
Speaker 1: people right now because we haven't experienced this in most
Speaker 1: of the US outside of like, yeah, the West, you
Speaker 1: know recently as the wildfires have gotten worst for quite
Speaker 1: a while, but the problems that cause this we were,
Speaker 1: you know, suffered by people outside of the United States
Speaker 1: consistently for years. Like one of the things that's you know,
Speaker 1: you've kind of seen on like Twitter and shit, is
Speaker 1: like people in the West Coast and the East Coast
Speaker 1: fighting about who's had it worse in terms of wildfire
Speaker 1: smog lately and like, well, the answer if you want
Speaker 1: to talk about who's been dealing with this the worst
Speaker 1: and the longest, is like people in fucking Deli, people
Speaker 1: in Shinzen, you know, the in China. Like this is
Speaker 1: a problem that is primarily born. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: not in the US too, by the poor, but it's
Speaker 1: been borne by the poor outside of the United States
Speaker 1: because we successfully externalized a lot of the consequences of
Speaker 1: our lifestyles. And ideally, the hopeful thing is that perhaps
Speaker 1: experiencing this in New York City, which is, if you're
Speaker 1: not aware, we're the only writers that people apparently listen
Speaker 1: to live will cause some kind of enhanced solidarity for
Speaker 1: the folks in what you might call or what often
Speaker 1: is described as the Global South, who are have been
Speaker 1: dealing with this for years and will continue to deal
Speaker 1: with this in a much more severe form with much
Speaker 1: fewer resources available to them. If you are currently living
Speaker 1: in one of the great cities besieged by wildfire smoke,
Speaker 1: your life span has already been shortened. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be like panic inducing. We're talking about like
Speaker 1: by the same it would be like if you had
Speaker 1: smoked half a pack of cigarettes since this all started.
Speaker 1: It's kind of similar to that, But there is no
Speaker 1: safe amount of time to inhale, particular in the quantities
Speaker 1: when you're talking about AQI over four hundred. There's no
Speaker 1: safe amount of time to just kind of be raw
Speaker 1: dogging the air out in the street. Any amount is
Speaker 1: going to damage your lungs, it's going to stiffen your arteries,
Speaker 1: it's going to increase your chances of a number of cancer's.
Speaker 1: Heart attack risk increases by a meaningful amount. When you
Speaker 1: are out dealing with stuff like this, your immune system
Speaker 1: is significantly weaker, and.
Speaker 2: You don't get to look cool like smoking.
Speaker 1: You don't get to look cool like smoking. Right Like,
Speaker 1: it's all of the downsides of being a daily smoker
Speaker 1: with none of the significant benefits of looking rad as
Speaker 1: hell of looking like fucking Martin Sheen and apocalypse. Now,
Speaker 1: ah man, I love a good smoker, but nobody looks
Speaker 1: good in this shit unless you're like, have one of
Speaker 1: those sick ass you know, apocalypse dusters, and like a
Speaker 1: face mask, which we're about to talk about. Then you
Speaker 1: can look cool, although your clothing will probably always smell
Speaker 1: of wildfire. There's a lot Also, it's kind of worth
Speaker 1: noting that, like when we're talking about the day here,
Speaker 1: it's not It may smell like a little like campfire smoke,
Speaker 1: but you're also inhaling an incinerated asbestos and particle board,
Speaker 1: and you know, presumably hordes of ammunition that had been
Speaker 1: buried by Canadian preppers. So like, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: reasons why you don't want to breathe this shit in.
Speaker 1: So when you go outside, you are going to want
Speaker 1: to wear a mask. In ninety fives work reasonably well
Speaker 1: for adults if you have any on hand, or if
Speaker 1: you're fortunate enough to live in a city with the
Speaker 1: kind of emergency preparedness budget that allows them to provide
Speaker 1: stuff like that New York City is providing in ninety
Speaker 1: fives in some quantity right now. If you're out on
Speaker 1: your own, an N ninety five maybe an easy thing
Speaker 1: to acquire quickly for relatively cheap. That said, they're not
Speaker 1: perfect for one thing. They don't tend to work very
Speaker 1: well on kids. For this just because like the fit
Speaker 1: is off and wrong. You may find that something like
Speaker 1: a KF ninety four allows you to get a better
Speaker 1: fit on a child, and those do work reasonably well,
Speaker 1: certainly better than like nothing at all in this kind
Speaker 1: of a situation. My personal recommendation, if they are in
Speaker 1: stock and if you can afford them, is either a
Speaker 1: half or a full face respirator. We'll talk about the
Speaker 1: differences between those in a second, but these are the
Speaker 1: kind of masks that like, if you're a contractor and
Speaker 1: you're like putting together a building, you're dealing with a
Speaker 1: shitload of insulation, you're like cutting certain kinds of metal,
Speaker 1: or you know, you're doing a whole bunch of different
Speaker 1: things that can kick up nasty particulate. You probably have
Speaker 1: a number of these, right Like people I know in
Speaker 1: graffiti and graffiti. Yeah, if you're doing a lot of graffiti,
Speaker 1: you know, hang out near a building, you know that
Speaker 1: kids that kids spray paint a lot, and then you know,
Speaker 1: stick them up with a handgun for their their respirators.
Speaker 1: That's a responsible way to deal with Yeah, that's trying
Speaker 1: to teach everyone smoke through the respirator. That makes it
Speaker 1: extra cool and healthy. So yeah, what we're talking about here, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a thing to type into Google
Speaker 1: or whatever, three M half mask respirator. I found a
Speaker 1: three and a half mask respirator kit with a couple
Speaker 1: of what are called Bayonet filters for forty six forty
Speaker 1: one on Granger dot com right now. You can get
Speaker 1: them for similar prices on Amazon dot com. If you
Speaker 1: walk into a Lows or a home depot and they
Speaker 1: have not there hasn't been a run on them, you
Speaker 1: can probably find these. You will want to make sure
Speaker 1: you get filters with them. Sometimes you get just the
Speaker 1: respirator and you have to buy the filters separately. Usually
Speaker 1: if you get one, it'll it'll come with them, But
Speaker 1: make sure the filters are going to be these. Most
Speaker 1: of them look kind of like triangles with like rounded
Speaker 1: edges that are sort of this like pinkish purple color.
Speaker 1: For the most part, there's some that are gray and
Speaker 1: like circular. It doesn't really matter you know which kind
Speaker 1: of filters yours get. I would say just get whatever
Speaker 1: they have the most of Well, yeah.
Speaker 2: The in general, the filters filter out a ton of
Speaker 2: different stuff, And the thing you're looking for is the
Speaker 2: particulate filteration, which is actually the easiest and that's why
Speaker 2: almost any filter will do this. The rawest doesn't do
Speaker 2: anything else. Filter that you would be looking for is
Speaker 2: a P one hundred and sometimes those are they're more likely.
Speaker 2: I believe three M marks them as the pink, So
Speaker 2: if it's pink, it's particulate with three M. There's other brands.
Speaker 2: There's Honeywell, and then there's Yeah, I can't remember off
Speaker 2: the top of my head, but anyway, P one hundred
Speaker 2: is like you just look for particular filter. But honestly, yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty much anything is going to do it.
Speaker 1: Basically, any kind of respirator you're going to get it,
Speaker 1: like a home depot with filters is going to be
Speaker 1: sufficient for this. Yeah, there are kind of like the
Speaker 1: one and that. There's two main categories of respirators. The
Speaker 1: one we're interested in are called air purifying respirators. That
Speaker 1: means you breathe in the air from outside and it
Speaker 1: filters it right. The other kind of atmosphere supplying respirators,
Speaker 1: which normal people do not need in this situation. That's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it has like a tank of stuff walking around.
Speaker 2: Don't get that.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a lot more than is necessary
Speaker 1: for at least the next like six to eight months.
Speaker 1: Respirators are then further divided into half face masks, which
Speaker 1: things like Batman from that the worst of the Nolan
Speaker 1: Batman or not Batman, think of Bane from the Worst
Speaker 1: of the Nolan Batman movies. It's a little bit like
Speaker 1: that right where it's kind of just over your mouth
Speaker 1: and jaw. And then there's full face masks and there
Speaker 1: are also reusable elastomeric respirators. I tend to prefer half
Speaker 1: a full face masks for one thing, there's no reason
Speaker 1: to like, you're not working in some sort of like
Speaker 1: capacity where you want to be tossing it every time.
Speaker 1: You know, you might as well just get one. You
Speaker 1: can plug new filters into. A half face mask is
Speaker 1: going to be a lot more convenient. It's a lot
Speaker 1: less sort of weight and stuff, but it doesn't protect
Speaker 1: your eyes or anything, which if you're dealing with really
Speaker 1: heavy particulate, you may find your eyes getting irritated out there.
Speaker 1: The benefit of a full face mask is that it
Speaker 1: does protect your eyes, and if you happen to ever
Speaker 1: be in a situation where there's hella, mace or tear
Speaker 1: gas being used, it provides excellent protection from that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. The downside is that these are three to
Speaker 1: four times as expensive as the half faced respirator, so
Speaker 1: they're not my general recommendation to people. But again, either
Speaker 1: of them is going to be perfectly adequate for wildfire smoke.
Speaker 2: And then the full face ones of the additional problem
Speaker 2: of most of them are not designed for wearing glasses, yes,
Speaker 2: and you need a full seal on the side of it,
Speaker 2: so don't just throw it over your glasses. But they
Speaker 2: make adapters or you can wear contacts if you're not
Speaker 2: actually out expecting chemical weapons.
Speaker 1: And I would do that sometimes when we were dealing
Speaker 1: specific particularly with like mace heavy fights. As contacts and
Speaker 1: a full face it always worked for me. People will
Speaker 1: say that if you have a beard, it can fuck
Speaker 1: with the seal. I think, I'm sure that's true with
Speaker 1: like really heavy beards. I keep mine reasonably trim, and
Speaker 1: I never noticed a problem, you know, even in very
Speaker 1: thick tear gas with either my full face or with
Speaker 1: my gas mask.
Speaker 2: So you know, this is why beards fell out of
Speaker 2: favor in the United States.
Speaker 1: Oh, because of a World War One and gas masks.
Speaker 2: Military people had to start shaving because otherwise you'll die.
Speaker 2: Because that's the difference, right, Like, oh, a little bit
Speaker 2: of smoke is getting in that sucks a little bit
Speaker 2: of murder gas gets in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you have a more severe problem. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: a lot of folks may be and I've seen questions
Speaker 1: about like getting a gas mask, right and obviously, if
Speaker 1: that's what's available to you, if you already happen to
Speaker 1: have one because you're a weirdo prepper, or if that's
Speaker 1: just what you can find, a gas mask will indeed
Speaker 1: protect you from particulate. You may if you are someone
Speaker 1: who has the benefit of money, decide I'm going to
Speaker 1: just go ahead and get a good gas mask if so,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a number of places you can look
Speaker 1: to for that. The one I have is called a
Speaker 1: Mirram ir. They're three four hundred dollars something like that.
Speaker 1: I can confirm that they work great when you're drenched
Speaker 1: in tear gas so heavy that you can't see through it.
Speaker 1: People bitch at them online in like weirdo prepper communities
Speaker 1: sometimes because they have some like silly attachments and stuff
Speaker 1: that are kind of too expensive. But like I have
Speaker 1: used every kind of face mask filtering product in heavy
Speaker 1: gas and mace. Mirror are comfortable, they do work well.
Speaker 1: That said, much more expensive and much heavier than you
Speaker 1: need for something like filtering particulate. This would not be
Speaker 1: my first go to for anybody. Any kind of gas
Speaker 1: mask you get is going to be very bulky. Even
Speaker 1: the ones that are made specifically for stuff like special
Speaker 1: Forces use where they're like really streamlines so that you
Speaker 1: can like shoulder a rifle with them, those are still
Speaker 1: much bulkier than you know a normal half faced respirator
Speaker 1: is going to be. They also, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the benefits. One thing I will say I did a
Speaker 1: few times when Portland was bad, as I would put
Speaker 1: on two filters in my gas mask, which allows you
Speaker 1: to kind of breathe it close to the normal rate
Speaker 1: that you can, and I would go jogging because like
Speaker 1: otherwise you really can't safely. I'm not saying you should
Speaker 1: do this. Please don't like avoid outdoor exercise as a
Speaker 1: general rule anyway, Military surplus gas masks if that's what
Speaker 1: you have again, and you have filters for them that
Speaker 1: can help. If you do attempt to do this, you
Speaker 1: will immediately get in an understanding of why chemical warfare
Speaker 1: sucks so much, because most especially MILLSERP gas masks suck
Speaker 1: ass to wear super uncomfortable, super shitty visibility, not ever
Speaker 1: my primary recommendation, but again, if that's what you've got
Speaker 1: and all you can get, it will indeed filter out
Speaker 1: particulate and an.
Speaker 2: Expired filter, a military style filter. It's usually the NATO standard. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they an expired one. It's like I'm not recommending people
Speaker 2: use expired ones, yeah, but they're if you're not defending
Speaker 2: yourself against like murder gas, yeah, an expired one should
Speaker 2: do you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We are again when we come to stuff like this,
Speaker 1: as long as you have some sort of filter and
Speaker 1: a military gas mask, it's probably going to be certainly
Speaker 1: better than nothing. Yeah, because we are just kind of
Speaker 1: dealing with smoke in particulate here. We're not dealing with
Speaker 1: like mustard gas or saren or whatever. Yet I'm bringing
Speaker 1: up gas masks just because it's what a lot of
Speaker 1: people might already have on hand or something. As opposed
Speaker 1: to recommending that as what you get, you should just
Speaker 1: get a respirator. That's going to be a lot more
Speaker 1: effective for basically one hundred percent of people. Now, you
Speaker 1: will probably notice, if you've been paying attention to what
Speaker 1: we've been talking about today, that all of the effective
Speaker 1: measures for mitigating the danger of smoke cost money nearly
Speaker 1: all of them at least, and also rely on having
Speaker 1: stuff like access to transit that can get you to
Speaker 1: a store, on you know, having an address that packages
Speaker 1: can be delivered to, because once again, as we talked
Speaker 1: about with you know, places like India that have been
Speaker 1: dealing with smog like this for many, many years, the
Speaker 1: costs of climate collapse are always heaviest on those who
Speaker 1: can least bear them. Assuming you are housed. There are
Speaker 1: some other decent tips that can allow you to protect
Speaker 1: your house. One of them is that you probably want
Speaker 1: to create a clean room for your animals. Yours and
Speaker 1: your dogs number one, are less capable of understanding what's
Speaker 1: happened happening, and they will notice something is wrong. You know,
Speaker 1: they will not go outside and feel like it's a
Speaker 1: normal day just because they're stupid dog or whatever. Like,
Speaker 1: they will recognize that something is gravely wrong. You want
Speaker 1: to keep them inside as much as possible because it's
Speaker 1: even they're smaller than you, right, it's even worse for them.
Speaker 1: The same thing with thin like you want to keep
Speaker 1: your kids inside because the kind of shit that like
Speaker 1: maybe a two hundred pound adult can sort of shrug
Speaker 1: off in terms of particulate will hit a sixty five
Speaker 1: pound child or a forty five pound dog a lot worse.
Speaker 1: So a good thing to do is to create a
Speaker 1: clean room, potentially with the kind of filters, the Corsey
Speaker 1: Rosenthal filters that we talked about, if you have the
Speaker 1: ability doing something like you would do kind of for
Speaker 1: a mudroom, a little kind of airlock situation when you
Speaker 1: take your pets in and out from doing their business,
Speaker 1: so you can minimize the amount of shit that gets in.
Speaker 1: There's a few ways to do this. You know, when
Speaker 1: there's not currently smog everywhere, Making sure that the seals
Speaker 1: and stuff on your windows and doors are of quality
Speaker 1: and up to date and recently replaced is key. Obviously,
Speaker 1: if you're under smog right now, that's less of a
Speaker 1: realistic thing that you can do. But one thing you
Speaker 1: can do people, did you know in Portland during this
Speaker 1: if you get like towels and soak them and put
Speaker 1: them around the edges. If you know you've got oh
Speaker 1: I know this windows, Yeah, I know stuff's getting in.
Speaker 1: If you kind of can tape that up around and
Speaker 1: keep it wet around the window, that will take some
Speaker 1: of the basically particulate, it'll get kind of soaked into
Speaker 1: the towel and it should minimize kind of what you're
Speaker 1: dealing with in the house. I haven't seen, actually, this
Speaker 1: is one of the things I haven't seen like studies
Speaker 1: on how well this works. But it's what most of
Speaker 1: the people I knew who had kind of older houses
Speaker 1: did and do during wildfires, and it seems to have
Speaker 1: an impact. So I would recommend kind of trying that.
Speaker 2: And if you can get to the store, you get
Speaker 2: like foam strips and stuff like that. If you don't
Speaker 2: have much money, you can do the whole everything's a
Speaker 2: free store for the brave. Yeah, but it's not very
Speaker 2: expensive anyway. They're like foam tape.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that would be again, much better than trying
Speaker 1: to do the wet towel thing. That said. One thing
Speaker 1: you should be doing every day is wiping off large
Speaker 1: surfaces in your house with a damp cloth to clean
Speaker 1: away the particulate that's settled during the day. That's going
Speaker 1: to reduce the strain on whatever kind of filters you've
Speaker 1: got going indoors. You're going to want to very quickly
Speaker 1: change your air filter unless you like if you change
Speaker 1: your filter a week or two before this hit, you
Speaker 1: know it'll be fine for a little while. But if
Speaker 1: like most people, you kind of let that go a
Speaker 1: little long, probably one of the first things you should
Speaker 1: do is slot in a fresh air filter if you've
Speaker 1: got one. If you are shopping for an air filter
Speaker 1: and you want something that is going to work better
Speaker 1: in your HVAC system on particulate, you want something with
Speaker 1: a high minimum efficiency reporting value or MERV, which Margaret
Speaker 1: mentioned a little earlier value. Those are going to catch
Speaker 1: more particles than normal filters. You're going to want to
Speaker 1: switch your HVAC into fan only mode immediately. This will
Speaker 1: insist ensure that it runs your indoor air through the
Speaker 1: filter rather than pulling air in from the outside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a key thing to do. If you've got
Speaker 1: kind of a central system, you're also going to want
Speaker 1: to turn off anything that pulls in air from the outside, like,
Speaker 1: for example, the portable air conditioner units with like hoses
Speaker 1: that go at your window, which is the things that
Speaker 1: like everyone in the East Coast tends to have as
Speaker 1: opposed to a central system.
Speaker 2: So if you've got.
Speaker 1: One of those, some window acs will have what's called
Speaker 1: an outdoor air damper that you can close. If they
Speaker 1: don't have that, you're going to want to keep it
Speaker 1: off and sealed, and you're going to want to in
Speaker 1: any case use tape or whatever you have to ensure
Speaker 1: that the seal around the unit is more robust. I know,
Speaker 1: people generally, you know, can be a little bit lacks
Speaker 1: daisical about the actual like window seal with a unit
Speaker 1: like that is generally not perfect. You're going to want
Speaker 1: to be extra careful because even a small gap, you know,
Speaker 1: that that allows shit in, is going to allow quite
Speaker 1: a lot of particulate and like a surprising amount. Again,
Speaker 1: a lot of some of these methods are just like
Speaker 1: stuff that you should be doing to prep your house,
Speaker 1: but a lot of them do require resources, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, frustrating for a lot of reasons. I'm sure hope.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping Margaret that like what you found online is
Speaker 1: accurate people's experience and that stores have not sold out
Speaker 1: of the things that are useful in this situation. That
Speaker 1: is one of those things kind of when we talk
Speaker 1: more broadly about preparation for stuff like this, that people
Speaker 1: should be thinking about, like don't just think about what
Speaker 1: stuff has gone wrong in the past. That's a great
Speaker 1: way to have plenty of toilet paper when there's a
Speaker 1: shortage of water or whatever. Right Likewise, it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where where you know, if you were in
Speaker 1: when I made a couple of posts about what was
Speaker 1: happening in New York earlier, and somebody responded, and I
Speaker 1: was making the joke that like, hey, if you get
Speaker 1: a full face respirator, it'll be useful, you know, if
Speaker 1: you've got to fight the cops too, And their comment
Speaker 1: was like, well, we don't really get tear gassed here.
Speaker 1: And first off, I mean that may be true, but
Speaker 1: like you guys do get maced, and they're great against mace.
Speaker 1: I can say that from a intense personal experience. But
Speaker 1: the other thing is that, like, well, that's part of
Speaker 1: when we talk about kind of proactive practical prepping. A
Speaker 1: big part of it is thinking about stuff that like
Speaker 1: maybe unlikely, but it's not impossible, and that if you
Speaker 1: don't have shit on hand, you're not going to be
Speaker 1: able to deal with, right, Yeah, And one of those
Speaker 1: things is having a fucking respirator. Basically, everybody who is
Speaker 1: capable of affording them should have a half or a
Speaker 1: full faced respirator. You should get that. You should get
Speaker 1: a couple of spare filters, and you should just have it,
Speaker 1: even if you're in a place where wildfire smoke has
Speaker 1: never been a problem for you, because it will be
Speaker 1: at some point. That's just basically guaranteed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I want to say for dogs, I don't
Speaker 2: know about cats, but they make masks for dogs. They
Speaker 2: make respirators for dogs. The brand that I've gotten that
Speaker 2: I can't specifically, I haven't compared to other brands is
Speaker 2: called Canine Mask. And then I know people who have
Speaker 2: made their own dog respirators basically out of and ninety
Speaker 2: fives and tape and stuff. And then if your dog,
Speaker 2: if you're really on top of it, you're going to
Speaker 2: do the work to acclimate your dog to this, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: reward reward your dog greatly and slowly build up their tolerance.
Speaker 2: And if you don't have time for that, you can
Speaker 2: put a cone on your dog to keep your dog
Speaker 2: to keep the mask on. And obviously you don't want to,
Speaker 2: like I mean, mostly just want to keep your dog inside, right,
Speaker 2: But yeah, if your dogs, yeah, exactly, there's actually an
Speaker 2: argument for pad training my dog that I I've never.
Speaker 1: Bothered to do. And that may be by the way,
Speaker 1: when we're talking about like what stuff should you keep
Speaker 1: on hand, Well, if you're not a normal pad training person, yeah,
Speaker 1: that could be a useful prepping thing to have to
Speaker 1: have pads on hand and to occasionally use them. So
Speaker 1: the animal understands that that's an option, because they are
Speaker 1: a variety of things that might make it not feasible
Speaker 1: to take them outdoors, you know, if you don't have
Speaker 1: a yard especially so yeah, but also.
Speaker 2: Say, even though it's better to look at what's next
Speaker 2: instead of what's current, right, like, look at the next
Speaker 2: problem instead of the current problem, it's also okay. And
Speaker 2: what most people do realistically is prep for the thing
Speaker 2: that went bad last time. Yeah, you know, like I
Speaker 2: have an emergency blanket on me at almost all times
Speaker 2: in my emergency kit because when I was like thirteen,
Speaker 2: it saved my life or whatever. Right. Yeah, I've never
Speaker 2: needed one ever again, but I didn't forget that I
Speaker 2: needed one and someone else had one. I will just
Speaker 2: have one, right And you know, so if this is
Speaker 2: you're suddenly I need an air purer of fire, it
Speaker 2: maybe is too late. It may not be too late.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: Don't beat yourself up if this is when you decide
Speaker 2: that you're going to start having one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's for one thing. There's this, there's this.
Speaker 1: If you like study military history, you run into this too,
Speaker 1: like the problem that military planners are always fighting the
Speaker 1: last war right when they're when they're preparing for shit,
Speaker 1: which is why a lot of like stupid and useless
Speaker 1: crafts is on hand every time we enter a new conflict.
Speaker 1: But everything actually really does work that way because that's
Speaker 1: just the way people be. And so like, I'm sure
Speaker 1: basically everyone in New York had extra toilet paper on
Speaker 1: hand just shit hit, but they weren't ready for you know,
Speaker 1: which is you know that's not New Yorkers, you so stupid. No,
Speaker 1: that's everybody. That's how that's how we all are. The
Speaker 1: only reason Portland was more prepared for this when it
Speaker 1: hit us is that we'd been getting like a significant
Speaker 1: portion of the city had been going out and getting
Speaker 1: tear gassed every night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is.
Speaker 1: It does kind of mean that like part of prepping
Speaker 1: is like sitting around and like bullshitting with your friends
Speaker 1: if you want to like be all cool and and military.
Speaker 1: Larpie about it. You can you can put on gear
Speaker 1: and you can like sit around a war table with
Speaker 1: a map and game plan out stuff. You can make
Speaker 1: it fun. Yeah, Like, there's no reason not to treat
Speaker 1: it like a you know, a session of D and D.
Speaker 1: Walk through different kinds of problems that you guys think
Speaker 1: are more likely and try to lay out kind of
Speaker 1: consequence trees as to like what might happen and what
Speaker 1: might be necessary, and then you know, think about what
Speaker 1: kind of equipment would be useful in those situations and
Speaker 1: put it in a kind of teer it in a
Speaker 1: list of like what is more affordable, what is more likely,
Speaker 1: and you know kind of trioge with that, and what's
Speaker 1: small too, Yeah, what's small? Like what's easy to have
Speaker 1: on hand?
Speaker 2: I'm going to go get eye drops? Now. I don't
Speaker 2: keep eye drops around normally. But as I'm like looking
Speaker 2: at this stuff and I'm talking to people who deal
Speaker 2: with smoke, they're like, well, the half mask rustpbraider is great,
Speaker 2: but if you don't have a full mask rust braider,
Speaker 2: bring eye drops, yeah, you know. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's not something I ever considered. That's cheap and takes
Speaker 2: up no room in my truck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can have that in your go bag, you
Speaker 1: can have that in your car.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, I always please keep a set of bone
Speaker 1: knives and nitrial gloves and a tarp in my car
Speaker 1: because I like to process roadkill. But there's other disasters
Speaker 1: that's potentially useful, you know, much like your pig farm.
Speaker 1: But much like my pig farm. Yeah, so, and it's
Speaker 1: just kind of like like this this this shit's going
Speaker 1: to keep happening. Something else will probably happen this year.
Speaker 1: That's like a chunk of the country dealing with some
Speaker 1: sort of terrible disaster that affects everybody at once that
Speaker 1: people in that area at least haven't dealt with before,
Speaker 1: like it, because that's the world that we're living in now.
Speaker 1: And so you're never going to be perfect at thinking
Speaker 1: through stuff. But like, the more time you spend kind
Speaker 1: of trying to make your brain elastic when it comes
Speaker 1: to disaster, the more likely you are to have at
Speaker 1: least some of the things that you need to deal
Speaker 1: with problems when they occur, especially since a lot of
Speaker 1: tools are like multi use tools. You know, respirators are
Speaker 1: great with wildfire smoke. They're also you know, potentially useful
Speaker 1: if like, for example, a pandemic where to hit.
Speaker 2: Right, wouldn't it be awful if that all this happened
Speaker 2: during a respiratory pandemic.
Speaker 1: That would be fucked? Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think that if you do prepping right, it
Speaker 2: can actually reduce anxiety instead of increase it. A lot
Speaker 2: of people avoid prepping because they're afraid to engage with
Speaker 2: these problems because if they if they think, if they
Speaker 2: look at the it's the prey animal thing. I don't
Speaker 2: know if this is real or not, but you think
Speaker 2: if you don't look at the predator, it won't notice you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think that people do that because they don't
Speaker 2: want to think about these things, and that is understandable.
Speaker 2: We live in a very high anxiety time, right, But
Speaker 2: I think that looking at these problems has overall reduced
Speaker 2: my anxiety around them because like, for example, when I
Speaker 2: lived in more in the woods than I currently do,
Speaker 2: and I live in a cabin in the woods, and
Speaker 2: I was like, what will I do if there's a
Speaker 2: forest fire? And I thought it through and most of
Speaker 2: the answer was keep my car, you know, gassed and
Speaker 2: ready to go and have my go bag and I
Speaker 2: was like, that's it. That's the only preparation I'm going
Speaker 2: to do for this fire that may or may not happen.
Speaker 2: And so then I stopped worrying about it because I've
Speaker 2: done everything that I'm going to do. There's like a
Speaker 2: next level thing, like actually these particular fires, I was
Speaker 2: looking it up. I think one hundred thousand people have
Speaker 2: been displaced from their homes in Canada as a result
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 1: Jeez it is.
Speaker 2: We are currently at one four hundred percent of the
Speaker 2: fires that are normal for this time of the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're not even in summer yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've eight point seven million acres have burned so
Speaker 2: far this year. Six point two million per year is
Speaker 2: normal like total, and we're not at summer yet, and
Speaker 2: so shit's gonna get worse, but it's not. But we can.
Speaker 2: We can handle it. And we can like look at
Speaker 2: these things, and we can look at the predator and
Speaker 2: well we can't it's invisible because of the yeah, little
Speaker 2: invisibility field.
Speaker 1: But we can, we can. I mean, there are some
Speaker 1: predators that we can look at, which is where I
Speaker 1: should say that. Like there's a pretty good movie about
Speaker 1: pipelines that came out recently. Oh yeah, but uh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean you you have like looking at in the
Speaker 1: face is necessary and also finding This is part of
Speaker 1: why I brought up the first thing I brought up
Speaker 1: was those those Coarsey Rosenthal filters, because like having a
Speaker 1: thing to do when like you wake up in the
Speaker 1: morning and it's orange. Yeah, like is a nice way
Speaker 1: to allay the doom feeling. Like give yourself a task.
Speaker 1: It increases agency. And when you once you build that thing,
Speaker 1: you know, either you'll use it all up right away
Speaker 1: because those filters don't last forever, or you'll have something
Speaker 1: on hand the next time this occurs. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's what I got, Margaret, You got
Speaker 1: anything else to get into?
Speaker 2: Uh. I want to say that if you're in a
Speaker 2: fire area, you should have your plan of escape. You
Speaker 2: should have your go bag. If a fire is like
Speaker 2: particularly likely, you're going to keep that go bag in
Speaker 2: your vehicle and keep it pointed outwards. You want to
Speaker 2: clear the area around your house if that's something that
Speaker 2: you choose to do. Obviously, if you're like, no, the
Speaker 2: whole points I live in a cabin with trees over
Speaker 2: it or whatever, right, Yeah, And there's more that you
Speaker 2: can do to look at making sure that like a
Speaker 2: lot of the fires are about sparks getting sucked in
Speaker 2: through vents, and there's ways to close it up. And
Speaker 2: I also want to say, this is a really good
Speaker 2: time to take care of each other in particular, look
Speaker 2: out for asthmatic friends, or if you're the asthmatic friend,
Speaker 2: get other people to help take care of you. Go
Speaker 2: get groceries for your asthmatic friends during a smoke emergency,
Speaker 2: because you're going to be able to handle it a
Speaker 2: lot better than some other people might.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're heading down to the store to go
Speaker 1: get filters in a box, fan or something, check in
Speaker 1: with your neighbors and see how they're doing and what
Speaker 1: they're capable of handling for themselves and stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: hopefully this won't be bad for everyone for too long,
Speaker 1: you know, as we always say. But like, look, guys,
Speaker 1: this isn't going to be the last time in New
Speaker 1: York is the color of Mexico in a breaking bad right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it's this is going to happen again, because the
Speaker 1: fires aren't going to stop until there's no more forest
Speaker 1: left than they all have, more gloriously clean air.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and then the final thing I want to say
Speaker 2: is that like a lot of the stuff, right, like
Speaker 2: walking around in a half mask respirator is a little
Speaker 2: bit less weird to people than walking around in a
Speaker 2: full face respirator is a little bit less weird than
Speaker 2: walking around in a gas mask. And and we actually
Speaker 2: need to build these social norms. I think the reason
Speaker 2: that people have stopped masking in a lot of parts
Speaker 2: of the country is literally just because of social norms.
Speaker 2: Have stopped having people mask, and people don't want to
Speaker 2: be the weirdo with a mask. And I will say,
Speaker 2: as someone who has been the weirdo for the past
Speaker 2: thirty years of my life, it's not that bad to
Speaker 2: be the weirdo. And we can build new social norms.
Speaker 2: And so if you're worried about wearing a half mask
Speaker 2: respirator and a smoke emergency because you'll look weird, it
Speaker 2: is better than getting sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's one of those things. All of us
Speaker 1: crazy people had a nice moment, Yeah, at the start
Speaker 1: of the pandemic when we like looked over at our
Speaker 1: mountains of beans and storable foods and rifles, and ah,
Speaker 1: it was all the worthwhile.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we need to break the social modum
Speaker 2: about preparing in general, right, and I actually, I mean
Speaker 2: if you're listening to the show, then you're probably a
Speaker 2: little bit aware of this. But we just yeah, like
Speaker 2: talk to your friends who wouldn't normally talk about preparing
Speaker 2: and talk about how we can how we can do this.
Speaker 2: We need to make preparedness like a part of our
Speaker 2: culture because shit is getting more intense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, handle handle your shit. Sorry, this
Speaker 1: is happening to you, you east Sts, you coasties. I
Speaker 1: did hear a good joke recently where someone was like,
Speaker 1: the visibility is so bad that we New Yorkers can't
Speaker 1: even go on walking here anymore. Yeah, it's good. It's
Speaker 1: good anyway, enjoy that joke, everybody, and avoid dying.
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