WEBVTT - Wildfire Smoke: A Self Defense Guide

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, it could happen. Here a podcast about what

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<v Speaker 1>we like to call the crumbles, which is the process

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<v Speaker 1>of the aspects of modern life that were nice and

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<v Speaker 1>convenient and functional breaking down as the climate and our

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<v Speaker 1>political systems continue to fray around the edges and gradually collapse. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of you are living through a pretty undeniable

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<v Speaker 1>piece of that. If you're anywhere kind of in the

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Seaboard, if you're in New York City, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>in Philly, if you're in DC, if you're in one

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<v Speaker 1>of the other places at Baltimore, you're dealing with air

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<v Speaker 1>quality the likes of which you've probably never seen unless

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<v Speaker 1>you fled there from the West coast. Basically everyone who

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<v Speaker 1>lives in the northeast of the United States right now,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as a huge number of Canadians, are absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>cloaked in wildfire smoke, drowning in the ghosts of a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand forests. And that's a bummer. It's a bummer, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a real problem. And so I wanted to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sit down with Margaret Killjoy, our resident Prepper extraordinaiy Hi, Margaret, Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you yeah? Doing great? Because we're not drowning

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<v Speaker 1>in wildfire smoke. But three years ago in Portland in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, the air quality was even worse than it

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<v Speaker 1>is in New York City right now. So I've got

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<v Speaker 1>some experience dealing with this, and Margaret, you spend a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time thinking about practical prepping, and that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that I think a lot of folks probably are wishing

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<v Speaker 1>that they had spent more time doing right now. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the kind of thing that happens. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not on you know, anybody is like a moral thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But it happens anytime there's a disaster that affects everybody

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<v Speaker 1>at once, all the stuff that is useful for countering

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<v Speaker 1>that disaster sells out or is looted very very quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>and then people suddenly don't have the kind of options

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<v Speaker 1>for tools that they need. You know, this is not great.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to kind of sit down first off

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of talk about one of the better airsats

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<v Speaker 1>tools that you can put together if you are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with the problem of making your air cleaner.

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<v Speaker 1>And basically we have to kind of split this problem

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<v Speaker 1>into two. Right there is the problem of what do

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<v Speaker 1>I do if I'm going outside, and we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that later. But there's stuff that you purchase, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that is the only things that's going or stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>you already had on hand is all that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>help in that instance. But there are some things you

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<v Speaker 1>can do to keep your inside space clean of particulate

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<v Speaker 1>and relatively safe that don't require at least as many

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<v Speaker 1>things to purchase, and that are you know, can be

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<v Speaker 1>made with stuff that you probably are likelier to have

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<v Speaker 1>on hand. So I want to talk first about what

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<v Speaker 1>you can do to like filter your indoor air. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>in Portland, when we had our horrible fucking wildfire apocalypse,

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<v Speaker 1>yellow smog blanketing the world and making everything look like

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<v Speaker 1>fucking blade runner, everyone at least had gas masks and

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<v Speaker 1>full face respirators, which you know, folks in the Northeast

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<v Speaker 1>right now haven't gone through that experience and so don't

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<v Speaker 1>have that kind of stuff on hand. But what we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have in Portland was the stuff that can keep

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<v Speaker 1>your indoors cleaner. For one thing, people don't have like

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<v Speaker 1>HEPA filters or central air you know in Oregon as

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<v Speaker 1>often as they have it in some other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>this country. And so a lot of people wound up

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<v Speaker 1>creating building for themselves what are called Corsey Rosenthal boxes

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<v Speaker 1>now a Coarsey Rosenthal box is a kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>air filtration system for rooms that's made up of a

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<v Speaker 1>box fan and five air filters, like the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>filters that you're going to use for your HVAC system

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<v Speaker 1>in your house. Right, pretty much most houses are going

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<v Speaker 1>to have some kind of like air filter already, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're also widely available, Like if you go to any

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<v Speaker 1>home depot or lows, they're going to have a shitload

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<v Speaker 1>of air filters. You can use multiple different types. The

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<v Speaker 1>bigger the air filter, the more air it'll handle. Coursey

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<v Speaker 1>Rosenthal boxes were invented kind of right at the start

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<v Speaker 1>of the pandemic. One of the guys who made it,

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Corsi, was an environmental engineer who kind of realized

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as the pandos started that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>poor people were going to be absolutely fucked when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to filtering air in their homes because good you

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<v Speaker 1>can get like a nice Hepa filter, like standalone Hepa filter,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're usually several hundred dollars. So he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>try and provide people with something that could make that

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot cheaper. He had worked previously with the

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of a filter company that I think is based

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas, so he called that guy up and they

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<v Speaker 1>collaborated on a design that basically used you build like

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<v Speaker 1>a box out of air filters and you stick a

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<v Speaker 1>back box fan on top of it. If you google

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<v Speaker 1>Coursey Co R SI, Dash Rosenthal R O, S E

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<v Speaker 1>N T H A L box, you'll find the Wikipedia

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<v Speaker 1>page which has a guide to making these. It's very simple.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not crafty at all or have no real tools,

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<v Speaker 1>you can still make it work. I've won a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago, you know, when shit happened in Portland,

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<v Speaker 1>as did several people I knew. And they're not hard

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and the most common size of box that

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<v Speaker 1>you can build will allow it'll basically change the air

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<v Speaker 1>out in a room five full times per hour and

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<v Speaker 1>a five hundred square foot room, which is reasonably good.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll make a meaningful difference in your indoor air quality

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<v Speaker 1>if you're like blanketed in Hell's mog right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's about That's about the same as like one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty dollars if you were to like go

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<v Speaker 2>out and buy, yeah, a five hundred square foot filter,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be about one hundred and fifty bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is about what this will cost you right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, because shit's got more expensive. At least that's

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<v Speaker 1>what a recent Outside magazine article gave the cost of

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<v Speaker 1>constructing this interesting that said you might be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get it for cheaper. There's a good chance, that's if

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<v Speaker 1>you're buying everything. Most people in most places have a

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<v Speaker 1>box fan, you know, and most people have a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of filters, which which should cut down on the cost.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, It'll depend on kind of where you are

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<v Speaker 1>and what things are are running. But Hepa filters are

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<v Speaker 1>also standalone ones likelier to sell out fast as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of the raw components to making a Coarsey

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<v Speaker 1>Rosenthal filter, So you may find it easier to get

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<v Speaker 1>access to I like the Corsey Rosenthal filter for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of other reasons. Obviously, it's accessible and it's comparatively affordable,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also is something that you can make yourself

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<v Speaker 1>that will have a meaningful impact on how you weather

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<v Speaker 1>this event. That's important psychologically in a disaster, feeling as

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<v Speaker 1>if you have some sort of agency by actually doing

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<v Speaker 1>the useful thing, and it can also be important from

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<v Speaker 1>a community point of view. You can thear hdically raise

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<v Speaker 1>money and put together people to make Corsey Rosenthal boxes

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<v Speaker 1>and hand them out to people who maybe can't afford

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<v Speaker 1>them or you know, have mobility issues or less able

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<v Speaker 1>to get the equipment. That's the kind of thing that

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<v Speaker 1>builds community connection and also offers an immediate alleviation of

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<v Speaker 1>suffering and health consequences for people, which is the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that I like to see people doing in

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<v Speaker 1>a disaster like this. I also kind of like this

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<v Speaker 1>filter because it represents a rare example of people you

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<v Speaker 1>might call elites taking immediate action to ensure cash poor

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<v Speaker 1>individuals had a life saving tool available to themselves. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those kind of rare examples from the start

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<v Speaker 1>of the pandemic of like that radical solidarity we saw

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<v Speaker 1>bits and pieces of. And I think Jim Rosenthal and

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Corsi are pretty cool in my book for figuring

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<v Speaker 1>out this thing. So you know, there's a lot that's

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<v Speaker 1>nice about these filters.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just looked at the cost of making one,

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<v Speaker 2>I just like kind of added it together. It looks

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<v Speaker 2>like you could probably make one for about sixty five bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh great, great, great grade. It is probably the outside

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<v Speaker 1>guy was probably buying all the Gucci shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, if you just buy cheap, you need at least

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<v Speaker 2>a MERV thirteen filter. That's the level of filter where

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<v Speaker 2>it starts cutting out smoke. And if you get the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty inch filters, which I think is what usually people

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<v Speaker 2>are getting a twenty inch box fan, and so it's

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<v Speaker 2>and then you only need the four filters, I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>because the bottom isn't sucking air in the bottom ends

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<v Speaker 2>up a flat when I was looking at it earlier today.

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<v Speaker 2>But you've built one and I haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, honestly, it was three years ago. Yeah, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>I misspoke saying five. I think you can do it

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<v Speaker 1>just fine with four. I'm not sure if either we

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<v Speaker 1>did it weird when we did it last or if

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<v Speaker 1>I was just remembering wrong, But that means, yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more available. Like I had three filters on hand

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<v Speaker 1>in my house this morning, just because that's how many,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I usually keep as a backup. So a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of you are probably in a similar situation. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a more accessible thing compared to the equipment. We're

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<v Speaker 1>about to start talking about stuff like respirators and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like standalone HEPA filters, which are likely to sell out

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly as people go to all of the stores

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<v Speaker 1>to buy up all the things.

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<v Speaker 2>Although I will say it's almost depressing right now. I

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<v Speaker 2>was checking availability for some of my East Coast friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually an East Coast friend normally, but I went

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<v Speaker 2>to the land of Smoke, the usual smoke Pacific Northwest

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<v Speaker 2>and missed it. But most things are still available right now,

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<v Speaker 2>at least as of recording. I don't know whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>people just haven't put it together that it's necessary, or

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<v Speaker 2>people felt like they couldn't afford it. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff is still in stock as of this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really good to hear, because that's what we're about

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<v Speaker 1>to get into. So I did want to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>lead into this, moving from this kind of what I

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<v Speaker 1>think is inspiring about the course E. Rosenthal filter, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's something that is accessible, something that people

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<v Speaker 1>can work on and provide for each other together, and

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<v Speaker 1>sort of representative of the kind of radical solidarity see

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<v Speaker 1>in disasters. I think that's kind of particularly meaningful to

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<v Speaker 1>me because of why this air quality event is so

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<v Speaker 1>frightening to folks. You know, people who are in New

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<v Speaker 1>York or Philly, or Richmond or DC or a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other places in the Northeast have not dealt with

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of air quality before. This is because most

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<v Speaker 1>people who are young in those areas, because most young

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<v Speaker 1>Americans have had the privilege of experiencing air pollution primarily

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<v Speaker 1>as either an annoyance or as an abstract concept. A

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<v Speaker 1>big part of why is that the Clean Air Act,

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<v Speaker 1>instituted in nineteen sixty three, did a huge amount to

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<v Speaker 1>stop the kind of poisoning of the sky that led

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<v Speaker 1>to fairly regular smog events in the fifties and early

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<v Speaker 1>to mid nineteen sixties, even nineteen seventies in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of parts of this country. You know, it took a while.

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<v Speaker 1>There was more involved than just the Clean Air Act,

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<v Speaker 1>but shit like this used to be a lot more common,

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<v Speaker 1>and Americans suffered from a variety of illnesses, including adult

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<v Speaker 1>onset emphysema or young adult on set mphysima at a

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<v Speaker 1>much higher rate because of stuff like this. If you

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<v Speaker 1>are young, and by young, I mean like my age,

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret's age, you know, not all that young. Because air

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<v Speaker 1>quality in the United States has been significantly better than

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<v Speaker 1>it was for like my parents when they were kids.

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<v Speaker 1>For quite a while, you have benefited from a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>remarkably successful campaign to render Americans at least less vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>to them to this kind of pollution. Now, this came

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<v Speaker 1>alongside years of others' reforms and things like emission standards,

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<v Speaker 1>which were successful enough that in like West La right now,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of days of the year you can see

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains. That was not a thing for people who

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<v Speaker 1>lived in Los Angeles and say the nineteen seventies. I

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<v Speaker 1>had an annual check up right after I moved there

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<v Speaker 1>with my doctor in you know, southern California, and I

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<v Speaker 1>asked him, like what life had been like there during

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<v Speaker 1>the small years. And the thing that he mentioned to

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<v Speaker 1>me that stuck with me is that he had a

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<v Speaker 1>shitload of like patients in their twenties who had like

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<v Speaker 1>the early symptoms of emphysema, which is just not a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that really occurred occurs in southern California anymore. Although,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because of climate change, there are similar things

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<v Speaker 1>that are starting to hit. You know, there's a number

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<v Speaker 1>of like fungal based infections that people are getting, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>in the valley that's really nasty and wildfire smoke could

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<v Speaker 1>bring back a lot of this stuff. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're kind of looking at a lot of the gains

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<v Speaker 1>in public health caused by reducing you know, the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of smog in the air going away as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, externalities that can't be controlled locally. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the downside of the really lovely state of affairs that

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of ushered into the Clean Air Act is

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<v Speaker 1>that most Americans have spent their lives in kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a bubble of artificially pure air, while the negative externalities

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<v Speaker 1>that made are tech heavy lives possible were exported to

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<v Speaker 1>the global South, and those people experienced with increasing regularity

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of catastrophic pollution that in an earlier age

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<v Speaker 1>here caused the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland to light on

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<v Speaker 1>fire every spring or so. Globally, in twenty eighteen, some

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<v Speaker 1>eight point seven million deaths were caused by air pollution,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically pollution created via the burning of fossil fuels. David

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<v Speaker 1>Wallace Wells, who writes about climate catastrophe better than most people,

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<v Speaker 1>put the cost this way in a testimony before the

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<v Speaker 1>US Senate Committee on the Budget in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Those punishments are harrowingly widespread. The Lancet puts the global

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<v Speaker 1>annual death toll of air pollution at nine million. This

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<v Speaker 1>is dying at the scale of the Holocaust every single year.

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<v Speaker 1>In India, where three hundred and forty nine thousand stillbirths

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<v Speaker 1>and miscarriages have been attributed annually to the effects of

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<v Speaker 1>air pollution, the average resident of Delhih had his or

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<v Speaker 1>her life expectancy shortened by more than nine years from

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<v Speaker 1>the repetitive inhalation of smog. Globally, the average figure is

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<v Speaker 1>two years.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is bad.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is real bad, and it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things that we're it's it's so shocking and traumatic to

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<v Speaker 1>people right now because we haven't experienced this in most

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<v Speaker 1>of the US outside of like, yeah, the West, you

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<v Speaker 1>know recently as the wildfires have gotten worst for quite

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<v Speaker 1>a while, but the problems that cause this we were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, suffered by people outside of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>consistently for years. Like one of the things that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've kind of seen on like Twitter and shit, is

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<v Speaker 1>like people in the West Coast and the East Coast

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<v Speaker 1>fighting about who's had it worse in terms of wildfire

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<v Speaker 1>smog lately and like, well, the answer if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about who's been dealing with this the worst

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<v Speaker 1>and the longest, is like people in fucking Deli, people

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<v Speaker 1>in Shinzen, you know, the in China. Like this is

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<v Speaker 1>a problem that is primarily born. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not in the US too, by the poor, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>been borne by the poor outside of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>because we successfully externalized a lot of the consequences of

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<v Speaker 1>our lifestyles. And ideally, the hopeful thing is that perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing this in New York City, which is, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not aware, we're the only writers that people apparently listen

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<v Speaker 1>to live will cause some kind of enhanced solidarity for

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<v Speaker 1>the folks in what you might call or what often

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<v Speaker 1>is described as the Global South, who are have been

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with this for years and will continue to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with this in a much more severe form with much

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<v Speaker 1>fewer resources available to them. If you are currently living

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<v Speaker 1>in one of the great cities besieged by wildfire smoke,

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<v Speaker 1>your life span has already been shortened. Now I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be like panic inducing. We're talking about like

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<v Speaker 1>by the same it would be like if you had

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<v Speaker 1>smoked half a pack of cigarettes since this all started.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of similar to that, But there is no

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<v Speaker 1>safe amount of time to inhale, particular in the quantities

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<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about AQI over four hundred. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>safe amount of time to just kind of be raw

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<v Speaker 1>dogging the air out in the street. Any amount is

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<v Speaker 1>going to damage your lungs, it's going to stiffen your arteries,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to increase your chances of a number of cancer's.

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<v Speaker 1>Heart attack risk increases by a meaningful amount. When you

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<v Speaker 1>are out dealing with stuff like this, your immune system

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<v Speaker 1>is significantly weaker, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't get to look cool like smoking.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get to look cool like smoking. Right Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all of the downsides of being a daily smoker

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<v Speaker 1>with none of the significant benefits of looking rad as

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<v Speaker 1>hell of looking like fucking Martin Sheen and apocalypse. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>ah man, I love a good smoker, but nobody looks

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<v Speaker 1>good in this shit unless you're like, have one of

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<v Speaker 1>those sick ass you know, apocalypse dusters, and like a

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<v Speaker 1>face mask, which we're about to talk about. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>can look cool, although your clothing will probably always smell

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<v Speaker 1>of wildfire. There's a lot Also, it's kind of worth

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<v Speaker 1>noting that, like when we're talking about the day here,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not It may smell like a little like campfire smoke,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're also inhaling an incinerated asbestos and particle board,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, presumably hordes of ammunition that had been

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<v Speaker 1>buried by Canadian preppers. So like, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why you don't want to breathe this shit in.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you go outside, you are going to want

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<v Speaker 1>to wear a mask. In ninety fives work reasonably well

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<v Speaker 1>for adults if you have any on hand, or if

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<v Speaker 1>you're fortunate enough to live in a city with the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of emergency preparedness budget that allows them to provide

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that New York City is providing in ninety

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<v Speaker 1>fives in some quantity right now. If you're out on

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<v Speaker 1>your own, an N ninety five maybe an easy thing

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<v Speaker 1>to acquire quickly for relatively cheap. That said, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>perfect for one thing. They don't tend to work very

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<v Speaker 1>well on kids. For this just because like the fit

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<v Speaker 1>is off and wrong. You may find that something like

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<v Speaker 1>a KF ninety four allows you to get a better

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<v Speaker 1>fit on a child, and those do work reasonably well,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly better than like nothing at all in this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a situation. My personal recommendation, if they are in

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<v Speaker 1>stock and if you can afford them, is either a

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<v Speaker 1>half or a full face respirator. We'll talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>differences between those in a second, but these are the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of masks that like, if you're a contractor and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like putting together a building, you're dealing with a

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<v Speaker 1>shitload of insulation, you're like cutting certain kinds of metal,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, you're doing a whole bunch of different

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<v Speaker 1>things that can kick up nasty particulate. You probably have

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<v Speaker 1>a number of these, right Like people I know in

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<v Speaker 1>graffiti and graffiti. Yeah, if you're doing a lot of graffiti,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hang out near a building, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>kids that kids spray paint a lot, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stick them up with a handgun for their their respirators.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a responsible way to deal with Yeah, that's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to teach everyone smoke through the respirator. That makes it

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<v Speaker 1>extra cool and healthy. So yeah, what we're talking about here, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking for a thing to type into Google

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, three M half mask respirator. I found a

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<v Speaker 1>three and a half mask respirator kit with a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of what are called Bayonet filters for forty six forty

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<v Speaker 1>one on Granger dot com right now. You can get

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<v Speaker 1>them for similar prices on Amazon dot com. If you

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<v Speaker 1>walk into a Lows or a home depot and they

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<v Speaker 1>have not there hasn't been a run on them, you

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<v Speaker 1>can probably find these. You will want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you get filters with them. Sometimes you get just the

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<v Speaker 1>respirator and you have to buy the filters separately. Usually

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<v Speaker 1>if you get one, it'll it'll come with them, But

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<v Speaker 1>make sure the filters are going to be these. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of them look kind of like triangles with like rounded

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<v Speaker 1>edges that are sort of this like pinkish purple color.

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<v Speaker 1>For the most part, there's some that are gray and

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<v Speaker 1>like circular. It doesn't really matter you know which kind

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<v Speaker 1>of filters yours get. I would say just get whatever

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<v Speaker 1>they have the most of Well, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The in general, the filters filter out a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>different stuff, And the thing you're looking for is the

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<v Speaker 2>particulate filteration, which is actually the easiest and that's why

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<v Speaker 2>almost any filter will do this. The rawest doesn't do

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<v Speaker 2>anything else. Filter that you would be looking for is

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<v Speaker 2>a P one hundred and sometimes those are they're more likely.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe three M marks them as the pink, So

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<v Speaker 2>if it's pink, it's particulate with three M. There's other brands.

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<v Speaker 2>There's Honeywell, and then there's Yeah, I can't remember off

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<v Speaker 2>the top of my head, but anyway, P one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>is like you just look for particular filter. But honestly, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much anything is going to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, any kind of respirator you're going to get it,

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<v Speaker 1>like a home depot with filters is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>sufficient for this. Yeah, there are kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>one and that. There's two main categories of respirators. The

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<v Speaker 1>one we're interested in are called air purifying respirators. That

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<v Speaker 1>means you breathe in the air from outside and it

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<v Speaker 1>filters it right. The other kind of atmosphere supplying respirators,

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<v Speaker 1>which normal people do not need in this situation. That's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it has like a tank of stuff walking around.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't get that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a lot more than is necessary

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<v Speaker 1>for at least the next like six to eight months.

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<v Speaker 1>Respirators are then further divided into half face masks, which

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<v Speaker 1>things like Batman from that the worst of the Nolan

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<v Speaker 1>Batman or not Batman, think of Bane from the Worst

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<v Speaker 1>of the Nolan Batman movies. It's a little bit like

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<v Speaker 1>that right where it's kind of just over your mouth

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<v Speaker 1>and jaw. And then there's full face masks and there

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<v Speaker 1>are also reusable elastomeric respirators. I tend to prefer half

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<v Speaker 1>a full face masks for one thing, there's no reason

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<v Speaker 1>to like, you're not working in some sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>capacity where you want to be tossing it every time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you might as well just get one. You

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<v Speaker 1>can plug new filters into. A half face mask is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a lot more convenient. It's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>less sort of weight and stuff, but it doesn't protect

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes or anything, which if you're dealing with really

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<v Speaker 1>heavy particulate, you may find your eyes getting irritated out there.

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<v Speaker 1>The benefit of a full face mask is that it

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<v Speaker 1>does protect your eyes, and if you happen to ever

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<v Speaker 1>be in a situation where there's hella, mace or tear

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<v Speaker 1>gas being used, it provides excellent protection from that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. The downside is that these are three to

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<v Speaker 1>four times as expensive as the half faced respirator, so

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<v Speaker 1>they're not my general recommendation to people. But again, either

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<v Speaker 1>of them is going to be perfectly adequate for wildfire smoke.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the full face ones of the additional problem

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<v Speaker 2>of most of them are not designed for wearing glasses, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and you need a full seal on the side of it,

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<v Speaker 2>so don't just throw it over your glasses. But they

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<v Speaker 2>make adapters or you can wear contacts if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>actually out expecting chemical weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would do that sometimes when we were dealing

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<v Speaker 1>specific particularly with like mace heavy fights. As contacts and

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<v Speaker 1>a full face it always worked for me. People will

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<v Speaker 1>say that if you have a beard, it can fuck

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<v Speaker 1>with the seal. I think, I'm sure that's true with

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<v Speaker 1>like really heavy beards. I keep mine reasonably trim, and

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<v Speaker 1>I never noticed a problem, you know, even in very

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<v Speaker 1>thick tear gas with either my full face or with

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<v Speaker 1>my gas mask.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, this is why beards fell out of

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<v Speaker 2>favor in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, because of a World War One and gas masks.

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<v Speaker 2>Military people had to start shaving because otherwise you'll die.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's the difference, right, Like, oh, a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of smoke is getting in that sucks a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of murder gas gets in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's you have a more severe problem. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of folks may be and I've seen questions

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<v Speaker 1>about like getting a gas mask, right and obviously, if

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's available to you, if you already happen to

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<v Speaker 1>have one because you're a weirdo prepper, or if that's

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<v Speaker 1>just what you can find, a gas mask will indeed

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<v Speaker 1>protect you from particulate. You may if you are someone

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<v Speaker 1>who has the benefit of money, decide I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>just go ahead and get a good gas mask if so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a number of places you can look

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<v Speaker 1>to for that. The one I have is called a

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<v Speaker 1>Mirram ir. They're three four hundred dollars something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I can confirm that they work great when you're drenched

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<v Speaker 1>in tear gas so heavy that you can't see through it.

0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:47.240
<v Speaker 1>People bitch at them online in like weirdo prepper communities

0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:50.760
<v Speaker 1>sometimes because they have some like silly attachments and stuff

0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 1>that are kind of too expensive. But like I have

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 1>used every kind of face mask filtering product in heavy

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.560
<v Speaker 1>gas and mace. Mirror are comfortable, they do work well.

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:04.919
<v Speaker 1>That said, much more expensive and much heavier than you

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.040
<v Speaker 1>need for something like filtering particulate. This would not be

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 1>my first go to for anybody. Any kind of gas

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.640
<v Speaker 1>mask you get is going to be very bulky. Even

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 1>the ones that are made specifically for stuff like special

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Forces use where they're like really streamlines so that you

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.200
<v Speaker 1>can like shoulder a rifle with them, those are still

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 1>much bulkier than you know a normal half faced respirator

0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.879
<v Speaker 1>is going to be. They also, you know, one of

0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.199
<v Speaker 1>the benefits. One thing I will say I did a

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 1>few times when Portland was bad, as I would put

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:38.359
<v Speaker 1>on two filters in my gas mask, which allows you

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 1>to kind of breathe it close to the normal rate

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.320
<v Speaker 1>that you can, and I would go jogging because like

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 1>otherwise you really can't safely. I'm not saying you should

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:49.159
<v Speaker 1>do this. Please don't like avoid outdoor exercise as a

0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:53.199
<v Speaker 1>general rule anyway, Military surplus gas masks if that's what

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 1>you have again, and you have filters for them that

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.119
<v Speaker 1>can help. If you do attempt to do this, you

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 1>will immediately get in an understanding of why chemical warfare

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 1>sucks so much, because most especially MILLSERP gas masks suck

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 1>ass to wear super uncomfortable, super shitty visibility, not ever

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 1>my primary recommendation, but again, if that's what you've got

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.440
<v Speaker 1>and all you can get, it will indeed filter out

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 1>particulate and an.

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Expired filter, a military style filter. It's usually the NATO standard. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 2>they an expired one. It's like I'm not recommending people

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.680
<v Speaker 2>use expired ones, yeah, but they're if you're not defending

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 2>yourself against like murder gas, yeah, an expired one should

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 2>do you. Yeah.

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:40.399
<v Speaker 1>We are again when we come to stuff like this,

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.119
<v Speaker 1>as long as you have some sort of filter and

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>a military gas mask, it's probably going to be certainly

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 1>better than nothing. Yeah, because we are just kind of

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:49.919
<v Speaker 1>dealing with smoke in particulate here. We're not dealing with

0:25:50.040 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 1>like mustard gas or saren or whatever. Yet I'm bringing

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>up gas masks just because it's what a lot of

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 1>people might already have on hand or something. As opposed

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 1>to recommending that as what you get, you should just

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:15.159
<v Speaker 1>get a respirator. That's going to be a lot more

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:18.919
<v Speaker 1>effective for basically one hundred percent of people. Now, you

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 1>will probably notice, if you've been paying attention to what

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.680
<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about today, that all of the effective

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.440
<v Speaker 1>measures for mitigating the danger of smoke cost money nearly

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 1>all of them at least, and also rely on having

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:32.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff like access to transit that can get you to

0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 1>a store, on you know, having an address that packages

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.600
<v Speaker 1>can be delivered to, because once again, as we talked

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>about with you know, places like India that have been

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:45.000
<v Speaker 1>dealing with smog like this for many, many years, the

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.880
<v Speaker 1>costs of climate collapse are always heaviest on those who

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:51.360
<v Speaker 1>can least bear them. Assuming you are housed. There are

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>some other decent tips that can allow you to protect

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.160
<v Speaker 1>your house. One of them is that you probably want

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.320
<v Speaker 1>to create a clean room for your animals. Yours and

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 1>your dogs number one, are less capable of understanding what's

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>happened happening, and they will notice something is wrong. You know,

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.199
<v Speaker 1>they will not go outside and feel like it's a

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:15.439
<v Speaker 1>normal day just because they're stupid dog or whatever. Like,

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 1>they will recognize that something is gravely wrong. You want

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>to keep them inside as much as possible because it's

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>even they're smaller than you, right, it's even worse for them.

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:25.159
<v Speaker 1>The same thing with thin like you want to keep

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>your kids inside because the kind of shit that like

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:30.479
<v Speaker 1>maybe a two hundred pound adult can sort of shrug

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 1>off in terms of particulate will hit a sixty five

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.679
<v Speaker 1>pound child or a forty five pound dog a lot worse.

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:38.199
<v Speaker 1>So a good thing to do is to create a

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>clean room, potentially with the kind of filters, the Corsey

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.919
<v Speaker 1>Rosenthal filters that we talked about, if you have the

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 1>ability doing something like you would do kind of for

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 1>a mudroom, a little kind of airlock situation when you

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.360
<v Speaker 1>take your pets in and out from doing their business,

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>so you can minimize the amount of shit that gets in.

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:58.440
<v Speaker 1>There's a few ways to do this. You know, when

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>there's not currently smog everywhere, Making sure that the seals

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>and stuff on your windows and doors are of quality

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>and up to date and recently replaced is key. Obviously,

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.639
<v Speaker 1>if you're under smog right now, that's less of a

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 1>realistic thing that you can do. But one thing you

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 1>can do people, did you know in Portland during this

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 1>if you get like towels and soak them and put

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:24.679
<v Speaker 1>them around the edges. If you know you've got oh

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I know this windows, Yeah, I know stuff's getting in.

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>If you kind of can tape that up around and

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>keep it wet around the window, that will take some

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>of the basically particulate, it'll get kind of soaked into

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the towel and it should minimize kind of what you're

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 1>dealing with in the house. I haven't seen, actually, this

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>is one of the things I haven't seen like studies

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>on how well this works. But it's what most of

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the people I knew who had kind of older houses

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 1>did and do during wildfires, and it seems to have

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>an impact. So I would recommend kind of trying that.

0:28:58.280 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 2>And if you can get to the store, you get

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 2>like foam strips and stuff like that. If you don't

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 2>have much money, you can do the whole everything's a

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>free store for the brave. Yeah, but it's not very

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 2>expensive anyway. They're like foam tape.

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that would be again, much better than trying

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>to do the wet towel thing. That said. One thing

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you should be doing every day is wiping off large

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>surfaces in your house with a damp cloth to clean

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>away the particulate that's settled during the day. That's going

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 1>to reduce the strain on whatever kind of filters you've

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>got going indoors. You're going to want to very quickly

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>change your air filter unless you like if you change

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>your filter a week or two before this hit, you

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 1>know it'll be fine for a little while. But if

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>like most people, you kind of let that go a

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>little long, probably one of the first things you should

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>do is slot in a fresh air filter if you've

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>got one. If you are shopping for an air filter

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and you want something that is going to work better

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in your HVAC system on particulate, you want something with

0:29:56.520 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>a high minimum efficiency reporting value or MERV, which Margaret

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>mentioned a little earlier value. Those are going to catch

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>more particles than normal filters. You're going to want to

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 1>switch your HVAC into fan only mode immediately. This will

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>insist ensure that it runs your indoor air through the

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>filter rather than pulling air in from the outside. Yeah,

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>that is a key thing to do. If you've got

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of a central system, you're also going to want

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>to turn off anything that pulls in air from the outside, like,

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>for example, the portable air conditioner units with like hoses

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>that go at your window, which is the things that

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>like everyone in the East Coast tends to have as

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>opposed to a central system.

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 2>So if you've got.

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>One of those, some window acs will have what's called

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>an outdoor air damper that you can close. If they

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:47.719
<v Speaker 1>don't have that, you're going to want to keep it

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>off and sealed, and you're going to want to in

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>any case use tape or whatever you have to ensure

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>that the seal around the unit is more robust. I know,

0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>people generally, you know, can be a little bit lacks

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>daisical about the actual like window seal with a unit

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>like that is generally not perfect. You're going to want

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>to be extra careful because even a small gap, you know,

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>that that allows shit in, is going to allow quite

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of particulate and like a surprising amount. Again,

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of some of these methods are just like

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>stuff that you should be doing to prep your house,

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>but a lot of them do require resources, which is,

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, frustrating for a lot of reasons. I'm sure hope.

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping Margaret that like what you found online is

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>accurate people's experience and that stores have not sold out

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 1>of the things that are useful in this situation. That

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>is one of those things kind of when we talk

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 1>more broadly about preparation for stuff like this, that people

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>should be thinking about, like don't just think about what

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>stuff has gone wrong in the past. That's a great

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>way to have plenty of toilet paper when there's a

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>shortage of water or whatever. Right Likewise, it's one of

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>those things where where you know, if you were in

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 1>when I made a couple of posts about what was

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 1>happening in New York earlier, and somebody responded, and I

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>was making the joke that like, hey, if you get

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.239
<v Speaker 1>a full face respirator, it'll be useful, you know, if

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>you've got to fight the cops too, And their comment

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>was like, well, we don't really get tear gassed here.

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>And first off, I mean that may be true, but

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>like you guys do get maced, and they're great against mace.

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I can say that from a intense personal experience. But

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>the other thing is that, like, well, that's part of

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>when we talk about kind of proactive practical prepping. A

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>big part of it is thinking about stuff that like

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 1>maybe unlikely, but it's not impossible, and that if you

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>don't have shit on hand, you're not going to be

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>able to deal with, right, Yeah, And one of those

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 1>things is having a fucking respirator. Basically, everybody who is

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>capable of affording them should have a half or a

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 1>full faced respirator. You should get that. You should get

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>a couple of spare filters, and you should just have it,

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>even if you're in a place where wildfire smoke has

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>never been a problem for you, because it will be

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 1>at some point. That's just basically guaranteed.

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I want to say for dogs, I don't

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.280
<v Speaker 2>know about cats, but they make masks for dogs. They

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 2>make respirators for dogs. The brand that I've gotten that

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I can't specifically, I haven't compared to other brands is

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 2>called Canine Mask. And then I know people who have

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 2>made their own dog respirators basically out of and ninety

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>fives and tape and stuff. And then if your dog,

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 2>if you're really on top of it, you're going to

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 2>do the work to acclimate your dog to this, right, Yeah,

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 2>reward reward your dog greatly and slowly build up their tolerance.

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 2>And if you don't have time for that, you can

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 2>put a cone on your dog to keep your dog

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 2>to keep the mask on. And obviously you don't want to,

0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, mostly just want to keep your dog inside, right,

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, if your dogs, yeah, exactly, there's actually an

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 2>argument for pad training my dog that I I've never.

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Bothered to do. And that may be by the way,

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 1>when we're talking about like what stuff should you keep

0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>on hand, Well, if you're not a normal pad training person, yeah,

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 1>that could be a useful prepping thing to have to

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 1>have pads on hand and to occasionally use them. So

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the animal understands that that's an option, because they are

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 1>a variety of things that might make it not feasible

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 1>to take them outdoors, you know, if you don't have

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 1>a yard especially so yeah, but also.

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Say, even though it's better to look at what's next

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:24.359
<v Speaker 2>instead of what's current, right, like, look at the next

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 2>problem instead of the current problem, it's also okay. And

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>what most people do realistically is prep for the thing

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 2>that went bad last time. Yeah, you know, like I

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 2>have an emergency blanket on me at almost all times

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 2>in my emergency kit because when I was like thirteen,

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 2>it saved my life or whatever. Right. Yeah, I've never

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 2>needed one ever again, but I didn't forget that I

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>needed one and someone else had one. I will just

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 2>have one, right And you know, so if this is

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 2>you're suddenly I need an air purer of fire, it

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 2>maybe is too late. It may not be too late.

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>It.

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Don't beat yourself up if this is when you decide

0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 2>that you're going to start having one.

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like it's for one thing. There's this, there's this.

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:08.879
<v Speaker 1>If you like study military history, you run into this too,

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:12.360
<v Speaker 1>like the problem that military planners are always fighting the

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 1>last war right when they're when they're preparing for shit,

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 1>which is why a lot of like stupid and useless

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 1>crafts is on hand every time we enter a new conflict.

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.640
<v Speaker 1>But everything actually really does work that way because that's

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 1>just the way people be. And so like, I'm sure

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 1>basically everyone in New York had extra toilet paper on

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 1>hand just shit hit, but they weren't ready for you know,

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 1>which is you know that's not New Yorkers, you so stupid. No,

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 1>that's everybody. That's how that's how we all are. The

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 1>only reason Portland was more prepared for this when it

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>hit us is that we'd been getting like a significant

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:44.800
<v Speaker 1>portion of the city had been going out and getting

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:45.879
<v Speaker 1>tear gassed every night.

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it is.

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>It does kind of mean that like part of prepping

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 1>is like sitting around and like bullshitting with your friends

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>if you want to like be all cool and and military.

0:35:57.840 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 1>Larpie about it. You can you can put on gear

0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and you can like sit around a war table with

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 1>a map and game plan out stuff. You can make

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.759
<v Speaker 1>it fun. Yeah, Like, there's no reason not to treat

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>it like a you know, a session of D and D.

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Walk through different kinds of problems that you guys think

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 1>are more likely and try to lay out kind of

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 1>consequence trees as to like what might happen and what

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.239
<v Speaker 1>might be necessary, and then you know, think about what

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of equipment would be useful in those situations and

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 1>put it in a kind of teer it in a

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>list of like what is more affordable, what is more likely,

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>and you know kind of trioge with that, and what's

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 1>small too, Yeah, what's small? Like what's easy to have

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:37.240
<v Speaker 1>on hand?

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go get eye drops? Now. I don't

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 2>keep eye drops around normally. But as I'm like looking

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 2>at this stuff and I'm talking to people who deal

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 2>with smoke, they're like, well, the half mask rustpbraider is great,

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:48.439
<v Speaker 2>but if you don't have a full mask rust braider,

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:50.880
<v Speaker 2>bring eye drops, yeah, you know. And I'm like, oh,

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>that's not something I ever considered. That's cheap and takes

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 2>up no room in my truck.

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can have that in your go bag, you

0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 1>can have that in your car.

0:36:58.719 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, I always please keep a set of bone

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 1>knives and nitrial gloves and a tarp in my car

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>because I like to process roadkill. But there's other disasters

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that's potentially useful, you know, much like your pig farm.

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>But much like my pig farm. Yeah, so, and it's

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like like this this this shit's going

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.359
<v Speaker 1>to keep happening. Something else will probably happen this year.

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>That's like a chunk of the country dealing with some

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of terrible disaster that affects everybody at once that

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 1>people in that area at least haven't dealt with before,

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.839
<v Speaker 1>like it, because that's the world that we're living in now.

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:42.320
<v Speaker 1>And so you're never going to be perfect at thinking

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>through stuff. But like, the more time you spend kind

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>of trying to make your brain elastic when it comes

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>to disaster, the more likely you are to have at

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>least some of the things that you need to deal

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>with problems when they occur, especially since a lot of

0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>tools are like multi use tools. You know, respirators are

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 1>great with wildfire smoke. They're also you know, potentially useful

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 1>if like, for example, a pandemic where to hit.

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, wouldn't it be awful if that all this happened

0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:12.359
<v Speaker 2>during a respiratory pandemic.

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 1>That would be fucked? Yeah yeah.

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 2>And I think that if you do prepping right, it

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:19.839
<v Speaker 2>can actually reduce anxiety instead of increase it. A lot

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 2>of people avoid prepping because they're afraid to engage with

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 2>these problems because if they if they think, if they

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 2>look at the it's the prey animal thing. I don't

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 2>know if this is real or not, but you think

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.800
<v Speaker 2>if you don't look at the predator, it won't notice you.

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>And I think that people do that because they don't

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 2>want to think about these things, and that is understandable.

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 2>We live in a very high anxiety time, right, But

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.760
<v Speaker 2>I think that looking at these problems has overall reduced

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 2>my anxiety around them because like, for example, when I

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:48.800
<v Speaker 2>lived in more in the woods than I currently do,

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and I live in a cabin in the woods, and

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what will I do if there's a

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.239
<v Speaker 2>forest fire? And I thought it through and most of

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 2>the answer was keep my car, you know, gassed and

0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 2>ready to go and have my go bag and I

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 2>was like, that's it. That's the only preparation I'm going

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.800
<v Speaker 2>to do for this fire that may or may not happen.

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 2>And so then I stopped worrying about it because I've

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 2>done everything that I'm going to do. There's like a

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 2>next level thing, like actually these particular fires, I was

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 2>looking it up. I think one hundred thousand people have

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 2>been displaced from their homes in Canada as a result

0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:17.880
<v Speaker 2>of this.

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Jeez it is.

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 2>We are currently at one four hundred percent of the

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 2>fires that are normal for this time of the year.

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we're not even in summer yet.

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've eight point seven million acres have burned so

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 2>far this year. Six point two million per year is

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 2>normal like total, and we're not at summer yet, and

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 2>so shit's gonna get worse, but it's not. But we can.

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 2>We can handle it. And we can like look at

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 2>these things, and we can look at the predator and

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 2>well we can't it's invisible because of the yeah, little

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:55.320
<v Speaker 2>invisibility field.

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:56.719
<v Speaker 1>But we can, we can. I mean, there are some

0:39:56.760 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 1>predators that we can look at, which is where I

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:00.720
<v Speaker 1>should say that. Like there's a pretty good movie about

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 1>pipelines that came out recently. Oh yeah, but uh yeah, no,

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean you you have like looking at in the

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>face is necessary and also finding This is part of

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>why I brought up the first thing I brought up

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 1>was those those Coarsey Rosenthal filters, because like having a

0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 1>thing to do when like you wake up in the

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:22.319
<v Speaker 1>morning and it's orange. Yeah, like is a nice way

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:25.360
<v Speaker 1>to allay the doom feeling. Like give yourself a task.

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 1>It increases agency. And when you once you build that thing,

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:32.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, either you'll use it all up right away

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 1>because those filters don't last forever, or you'll have something

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:39.919
<v Speaker 1>on hand the next time this occurs. Yeah, so yeah,

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That's what I got, Margaret, You got

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 1>anything else to get into?

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Uh. I want to say that if you're in a

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 2>fire area, you should have your plan of escape. You

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 2>should have your go bag. If a fire is like

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 2>particularly likely, you're going to keep that go bag in

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 2>your vehicle and keep it pointed outwards. You want to

0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 2>clear the area around your house if that's something that

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 2>you choose to do. Obviously, if you're like, no, the

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:03.839
<v Speaker 2>whole points I live in a cabin with trees over

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 2>it or whatever, right, Yeah, And there's more that you

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 2>can do to look at making sure that like a

0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of the fires are about sparks getting sucked in

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 2>through vents, and there's ways to close it up. And

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I also want to say, this is a really good

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 2>time to take care of each other in particular, look

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:24.760
<v Speaker 2>out for asthmatic friends, or if you're the asthmatic friend,

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.399
<v Speaker 2>get other people to help take care of you. Go

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 2>get groceries for your asthmatic friends during a smoke emergency,

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:33.239
<v Speaker 2>because you're going to be able to handle it a

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 2>lot better than some other people might.

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you're heading down to the store to go

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.279
<v Speaker 1>get filters in a box, fan or something, check in

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.239
<v Speaker 1>with your neighbors and see how they're doing and what

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.400
<v Speaker 1>they're capable of handling for themselves and stuff. You know,

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:50.319
<v Speaker 1>hopefully this won't be bad for everyone for too long,

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, as we always say. But like, look, guys,

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:55.879
<v Speaker 1>this isn't going to be the last time in New

0:41:55.960 --> 0:42:00.479
<v Speaker 1>York is the color of Mexico in a breaking bad right, Yeah,

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Like it's this is going to happen again, because the

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:06.800
<v Speaker 1>fires aren't going to stop until there's no more forest

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 1>left than they all have, more gloriously clean air.

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally.

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, and then the final thing I want to say

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 2>is that like a lot of the stuff, right, like

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 2>walking around in a half mask respirator is a little

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 2>bit less weird to people than walking around in a

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:20.839
<v Speaker 2>full face respirator is a little bit less weird than

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:24.760
<v Speaker 2>walking around in a gas mask. And and we actually

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 2>need to build these social norms. I think the reason

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 2>that people have stopped masking in a lot of parts

0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:33.000
<v Speaker 2>of the country is literally just because of social norms.

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Have stopped having people mask, and people don't want to

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.239
<v Speaker 2>be the weirdo with a mask. And I will say,

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 2>as someone who has been the weirdo for the past

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 2>thirty years of my life, it's not that bad to

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 2>be the weirdo. And we can build new social norms.

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 2>And so if you're worried about wearing a half mask

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.279
<v Speaker 2>respirator and a smoke emergency because you'll look weird, it

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 2>is better than getting sick.

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, it's one of those things. All of us

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 1>crazy people had a nice moment, Yeah, at the start

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 1>of the pandemic when we like looked over at our

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 1>mountains of beans and storable foods and rifles, and ah,

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 1>it was all the worthwhile.

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so we need to break the social modum

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 2>about preparing in general, right, and I actually, I mean

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:21.480
<v Speaker 2>if you're listening to the show, then you're probably a

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 2>little bit aware of this. But we just yeah, like

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:27.200
<v Speaker 2>talk to your friends who wouldn't normally talk about preparing

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 2>and talk about how we can how we can do this.

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 2>We need to make preparedness like a part of our

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:36.720
<v Speaker 2>culture because shit is getting more intense.

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you know, handle handle your shit. Sorry, this

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 1>is happening to you, you east Sts, you coasties. I

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.520
<v Speaker 1>did hear a good joke recently where someone was like,

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 1>the visibility is so bad that we New Yorkers can't

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 1>even go on walking here anymore. Yeah, it's good. It's

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:04.799
<v Speaker 1>good anyway, enjoy that joke, everybody, and avoid dying.

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