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Speaker 1: of sit down with Margaret Killjoy, our resident Prepper extraordinaiy Hi, Margaret, Hello,

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Speaker 1: how are you yeah? Doing great? Because we're not drowning

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Speaker 1: creating building for themselves what are called Corsey Rosenthal boxes

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Speaker 1: It'll make a meaningful difference in your indoor air quality

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about That's about the same as like one

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Speaker 1: And that is about what this will cost you right now,

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Speaker 2: So I just looked at the cost of making one,

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Speaker 1: Oh great, great, great grade. It is probably the outside

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Speaker 2: Right, if you just buy cheap, you need at least

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Speaker 2: But you've built one and I haven't.

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Speaker 2: Although I will say it's almost depressing right now. I

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Speaker 1: That's really good to hear, because that's what we're about

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Speaker 1: thick tear gas with either my full face or with

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00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 1: my gas mask.

434
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 2: So you know, this is why beards fell out of

435
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 2: favor in the United States.

436
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: Oh, because of a World War One and gas masks.

437
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: Military people had to start shaving because otherwise you'll die.

438
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 2: Because that's the difference, right, Like, oh, a little bit

439
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 2: of smoke is getting in that sucks a little bit

440
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: of murder gas gets in.

441
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you have a more severe problem. Yeah, so

442
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: a lot of folks may be and I've seen questions

443
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: about like getting a gas mask, right and obviously, if

444
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: that's what's available to you, if you already happen to

445
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: have one because you're a weirdo prepper, or if that's

446
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: just what you can find, a gas mask will indeed

447
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: protect you from particulate. You may if you are someone

448
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: who has the benefit of money, decide I'm going to

449
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: just go ahead and get a good gas mask if so,

450
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, there's a number of places you can look

451
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: to for that. The one I have is called a

452
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: Mirram ir. They're three four hundred dollars something like that.

453
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: I can confirm that they work great when you're drenched

454
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: in tear gas so heavy that you can't see through it.

455
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: People bitch at them online in like weirdo prepper communities

456
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: sometimes because they have some like silly attachments and stuff

457
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: that are kind of too expensive. But like I have

458
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: used every kind of face mask filtering product in heavy

459
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: gas and mace. Mirror are comfortable, they do work well.

460
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 1: That said, much more expensive and much heavier than you

461
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: need for something like filtering particulate. This would not be

462
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: my first go to for anybody. Any kind of gas

463
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: mask you get is going to be very bulky. Even

464
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: the ones that are made specifically for stuff like special

465
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: Forces use where they're like really streamlines so that you

466
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: can like shoulder a rifle with them, those are still

467
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: much bulkier than you know a normal half faced respirator

468
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: is going to be. They also, you know, one of

469
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 1: the benefits. One thing I will say I did a

470
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: few times when Portland was bad, as I would put

471
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: on two filters in my gas mask, which allows you

472
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: to kind of breathe it close to the normal rate

473
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: that you can, and I would go jogging because like

474
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: otherwise you really can't safely. I'm not saying you should

475
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: do this. Please don't like avoid outdoor exercise as a

476
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: general rule anyway, Military surplus gas masks if that's what

477
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: you have again, and you have filters for them that

478
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: can help. If you do attempt to do this, you

479
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: will immediately get in an understanding of why chemical warfare

480
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: sucks so much, because most especially MILLSERP gas masks suck

481
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: ass to wear super uncomfortable, super shitty visibility, not ever

482
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: my primary recommendation, but again, if that's what you've got

483
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: and all you can get, it will indeed filter out

484
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: particulate and an.

485
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: Expired filter, a military style filter. It's usually the NATO standard. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

486
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: they an expired one. It's like I'm not recommending people

487
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: use expired ones, yeah, but they're if you're not defending

488
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: yourself against like murder gas, yeah, an expired one should

489
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: do you. Yeah.

490
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: We are again when we come to stuff like this,

491
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: as long as you have some sort of filter and

492
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: a military gas mask, it's probably going to be certainly

493
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: better than nothing. Yeah, because we are just kind of

494
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: dealing with smoke in particulate here. We're not dealing with

495
00:25:50,040 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: like mustard gas or saren or whatever. Yet I'm bringing

496
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: up gas masks just because it's what a lot of

497
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: people might already have on hand or something. As opposed

498
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: to recommending that as what you get, you should just

499
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: get a respirator. That's going to be a lot more

500
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: effective for basically one hundred percent of people. Now, you

501
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: will probably notice, if you've been paying attention to what

502
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: we've been talking about today, that all of the effective

503
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: measures for mitigating the danger of smoke cost money nearly

504
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: all of them at least, and also rely on having

505
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: stuff like access to transit that can get you to

506
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: a store, on you know, having an address that packages

507
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: can be delivered to, because once again, as we talked

508
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: about with you know, places like India that have been

509
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: dealing with smog like this for many, many years, the

510
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: costs of climate collapse are always heaviest on those who

511
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: can least bear them. Assuming you are housed. There are

512
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: some other decent tips that can allow you to protect

513
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: your house. One of them is that you probably want

514
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: to create a clean room for your animals. Yours and

515
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: your dogs number one, are less capable of understanding what's

516
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: happened happening, and they will notice something is wrong. You know,

517
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: they will not go outside and feel like it's a

518
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: normal day just because they're stupid dog or whatever. Like,

519
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: they will recognize that something is gravely wrong. You want

520
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: to keep them inside as much as possible because it's

521
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: even they're smaller than you, right, it's even worse for them.

522
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: The same thing with thin like you want to keep

523
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: your kids inside because the kind of shit that like

524
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 1: maybe a two hundred pound adult can sort of shrug

525
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: off in terms of particulate will hit a sixty five

526
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: pound child or a forty five pound dog a lot worse.

527
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: So a good thing to do is to create a

528
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: clean room, potentially with the kind of filters, the Corsey

529
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: Rosenthal filters that we talked about, if you have the

530
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: ability doing something like you would do kind of for

531
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: a mudroom, a little kind of airlock situation when you

532
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: take your pets in and out from doing their business,

533
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: so you can minimize the amount of shit that gets in.

534
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: There's a few ways to do this. You know, when

535
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: there's not currently smog everywhere, Making sure that the seals

536
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: and stuff on your windows and doors are of quality

537
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: and up to date and recently replaced is key. Obviously,

538
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: if you're under smog right now, that's less of a

539
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: realistic thing that you can do. But one thing you

540
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: can do people, did you know in Portland during this

541
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: if you get like towels and soak them and put

542
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: them around the edges. If you know you've got oh

543
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: I know this windows, Yeah, I know stuff's getting in.

544
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: If you kind of can tape that up around and

545
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: keep it wet around the window, that will take some

546
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: of the basically particulate, it'll get kind of soaked into

547
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: the towel and it should minimize kind of what you're

548
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: dealing with in the house. I haven't seen, actually, this

549
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: is one of the things I haven't seen like studies

550
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: on how well this works. But it's what most of

551
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: the people I knew who had kind of older houses

552
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: did and do during wildfires, and it seems to have

553
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: an impact. So I would recommend kind of trying that.

554
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: And if you can get to the store, you get

555
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: like foam strips and stuff like that. If you don't

556
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: have much money, you can do the whole everything's a

557
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: free store for the brave. Yeah, but it's not very

558
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: expensive anyway. They're like foam tape.

559
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that would be again, much better than trying

560
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: to do the wet towel thing. That said. One thing

561
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: you should be doing every day is wiping off large

562
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: surfaces in your house with a damp cloth to clean

563
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: away the particulate that's settled during the day. That's going

564
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: to reduce the strain on whatever kind of filters you've

565
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: got going indoors. You're going to want to very quickly

566
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: change your air filter unless you like if you change

567
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: your filter a week or two before this hit, you

568
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: know it'll be fine for a little while. But if

569
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: like most people, you kind of let that go a

570
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: little long, probably one of the first things you should

571
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: do is slot in a fresh air filter if you've

572
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: got one. If you are shopping for an air filter

573
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: and you want something that is going to work better

574
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: in your HVAC system on particulate, you want something with

575
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: a high minimum efficiency reporting value or MERV, which Margaret

576
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: mentioned a little earlier value. Those are going to catch

577
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: more particles than normal filters. You're going to want to

578
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: switch your HVAC into fan only mode immediately. This will

579
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: insist ensure that it runs your indoor air through the

580
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: filter rather than pulling air in from the outside. Yeah,

581
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: that is a key thing to do. If you've got

582
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: kind of a central system, you're also going to want

583
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: to turn off anything that pulls in air from the outside, like,

584
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: for example, the portable air conditioner units with like hoses

585
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: that go at your window, which is the things that

586
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: like everyone in the East Coast tends to have as

587
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: opposed to a central system.

588
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: So if you've got.

589
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: One of those, some window acs will have what's called

590
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: an outdoor air damper that you can close. If they

591
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: don't have that, you're going to want to keep it

592
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: off and sealed, and you're going to want to in

593
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: any case use tape or whatever you have to ensure

594
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: that the seal around the unit is more robust. I know,

595
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: people generally, you know, can be a little bit lacks

596
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: daisical about the actual like window seal with a unit

597
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: like that is generally not perfect. You're going to want

598
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: to be extra careful because even a small gap, you know,

599
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: that that allows shit in, is going to allow quite

600
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: a lot of particulate and like a surprising amount. Again,

601
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: a lot of some of these methods are just like

602
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: stuff that you should be doing to prep your house,

603
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: but a lot of them do require resources, which is,

604
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, frustrating for a lot of reasons. I'm sure hope.

605
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm hoping Margaret that like what you found online is

606
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: accurate people's experience and that stores have not sold out

607
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: of the things that are useful in this situation. That

608
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: is one of those things kind of when we talk

609
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: more broadly about preparation for stuff like this, that people

610
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: should be thinking about, like don't just think about what

611
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: stuff has gone wrong in the past. That's a great

612
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: way to have plenty of toilet paper when there's a

613
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: shortage of water or whatever. Right Likewise, it's one of

614
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: those things where where you know, if you were in

615
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: when I made a couple of posts about what was

616
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: happening in New York earlier, and somebody responded, and I

617
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: was making the joke that like, hey, if you get

618
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: a full face respirator, it'll be useful, you know, if

619
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: you've got to fight the cops too, And their comment

620
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: was like, well, we don't really get tear gassed here.

621
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: And first off, I mean that may be true, but

622
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: like you guys do get maced, and they're great against mace.

623
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: I can say that from a intense personal experience. But

624
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: the other thing is that, like, well, that's part of

625
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: when we talk about kind of proactive practical prepping. A

626
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: big part of it is thinking about stuff that like

627
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: maybe unlikely, but it's not impossible, and that if you

628
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: don't have shit on hand, you're not going to be

629
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: able to deal with, right, Yeah, And one of those

630
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: things is having a fucking respirator. Basically, everybody who is

631
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: capable of affording them should have a half or a

632
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: full faced respirator. You should get that. You should get

633
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: a couple of spare filters, and you should just have it,

634
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: even if you're in a place where wildfire smoke has

635
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: never been a problem for you, because it will be

636
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: at some point. That's just basically guaranteed.

637
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I want to say for dogs, I don't

638
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: know about cats, but they make masks for dogs. They

639
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: make respirators for dogs. The brand that I've gotten that

640
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: I can't specifically, I haven't compared to other brands is

641
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: called Canine Mask. And then I know people who have

642
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: made their own dog respirators basically out of and ninety

643
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: fives and tape and stuff. And then if your dog,

644
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: if you're really on top of it, you're going to

645
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: do the work to acclimate your dog to this, right, Yeah,

646
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: reward reward your dog greatly and slowly build up their tolerance.

647
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: And if you don't have time for that, you can

648
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: put a cone on your dog to keep your dog

649
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: to keep the mask on. And obviously you don't want to,

650
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: like I mean, mostly just want to keep your dog inside, right,

651
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, if your dogs, yeah, exactly, there's actually an

652
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: argument for pad training my dog that I I've never.

653
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: Bothered to do. And that may be by the way,

654
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: when we're talking about like what stuff should you keep

655
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: on hand, Well, if you're not a normal pad training person, yeah,

656
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: that could be a useful prepping thing to have to

657
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: have pads on hand and to occasionally use them. So

658
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: the animal understands that that's an option, because they are

659
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: a variety of things that might make it not feasible

660
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: to take them outdoors, you know, if you don't have

661
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: a yard especially so yeah, but also.

662
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: Say, even though it's better to look at what's next

663
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 2: instead of what's current, right, like, look at the next

664
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: problem instead of the current problem, it's also okay. And

665
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: what most people do realistically is prep for the thing

666
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: that went bad last time. Yeah, you know, like I

667
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: have an emergency blanket on me at almost all times

668
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: in my emergency kit because when I was like thirteen,

669
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: it saved my life or whatever. Right. Yeah, I've never

670
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: needed one ever again, but I didn't forget that I

671
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: needed one and someone else had one. I will just

672
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: have one, right And you know, so if this is

673
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: you're suddenly I need an air purer of fire, it

674
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: maybe is too late. It may not be too late.

675
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: It.

676
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: Don't beat yourself up if this is when you decide

677
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: that you're going to start having one.

678
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's for one thing. There's this, there's this.

679
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: If you like study military history, you run into this too,

680
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: like the problem that military planners are always fighting the

681
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: last war right when they're when they're preparing for shit,

682
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: which is why a lot of like stupid and useless

683
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: crafts is on hand every time we enter a new conflict.

684
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: But everything actually really does work that way because that's

685
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: just the way people be. And so like, I'm sure

686
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: basically everyone in New York had extra toilet paper on

687
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: hand just shit hit, but they weren't ready for you know,

688
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: which is you know that's not New Yorkers, you so stupid. No,

689
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: that's everybody. That's how that's how we all are. The

690
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: only reason Portland was more prepared for this when it

691
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: hit us is that we'd been getting like a significant

692
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: portion of the city had been going out and getting

693
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: tear gassed every night.

694
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is.

695
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: It does kind of mean that like part of prepping

696
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: is like sitting around and like bullshitting with your friends

697
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: if you want to like be all cool and and military.

698
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: Larpie about it. You can you can put on gear

699
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: and you can like sit around a war table with

700
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: a map and game plan out stuff. You can make

701
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: it fun. Yeah, Like, there's no reason not to treat

702
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: it like a you know, a session of D and D.

703
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: Walk through different kinds of problems that you guys think

704
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: are more likely and try to lay out kind of

705
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: consequence trees as to like what might happen and what

706
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: might be necessary, and then you know, think about what

707
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: kind of equipment would be useful in those situations and

708
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: put it in a kind of teer it in a

709
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: list of like what is more affordable, what is more likely,

710
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: and you know kind of trioge with that, and what's

711
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: small too, Yeah, what's small? Like what's easy to have

712
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: on hand?

713
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to go get eye drops? Now. I don't

714
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: keep eye drops around normally. But as I'm like looking

715
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: at this stuff and I'm talking to people who deal

716
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: with smoke, they're like, well, the half mask rustpbraider is great,

717
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 2: but if you don't have a full mask rust braider,

718
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: bring eye drops, yeah, you know. And I'm like, oh,

719
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: that's not something I ever considered. That's cheap and takes

720
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: up no room in my truck.

721
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can have that in your go bag, you

722
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: can have that in your car.

723
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

724
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: You know, I always please keep a set of bone

725
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: knives and nitrial gloves and a tarp in my car

726
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: because I like to process roadkill. But there's other disasters

727
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: that's potentially useful, you know, much like your pig farm.

728
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: But much like my pig farm. Yeah, so, and it's

729
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: just kind of like like this this this shit's going

730
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: to keep happening. Something else will probably happen this year.

731
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: That's like a chunk of the country dealing with some

732
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: sort of terrible disaster that affects everybody at once that

733
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: people in that area at least haven't dealt with before,

734
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: like it, because that's the world that we're living in now.

735
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: And so you're never going to be perfect at thinking

736
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: through stuff. But like, the more time you spend kind

737
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: of trying to make your brain elastic when it comes

738
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: to disaster, the more likely you are to have at

739
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: least some of the things that you need to deal

740
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: with problems when they occur, especially since a lot of

741
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: tools are like multi use tools. You know, respirators are

742
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: great with wildfire smoke. They're also you know, potentially useful

743
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: if like, for example, a pandemic where to hit.

744
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 2: Right, wouldn't it be awful if that all this happened

745
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: during a respiratory pandemic.

746
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: That would be fucked? Yeah yeah.

747
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: And I think that if you do prepping right, it

748
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: can actually reduce anxiety instead of increase it. A lot

749
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: of people avoid prepping because they're afraid to engage with

750
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: these problems because if they if they think, if they

751
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: look at the it's the prey animal thing. I don't

752
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: know if this is real or not, but you think

753
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: if you don't look at the predator, it won't notice you.

754
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

755
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: And I think that people do that because they don't

756
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: want to think about these things, and that is understandable.

757
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: We live in a very high anxiety time, right, But

758
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: I think that looking at these problems has overall reduced

759
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: my anxiety around them because like, for example, when I

760
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: lived in more in the woods than I currently do,

761
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: and I live in a cabin in the woods, and

762
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: I was like, what will I do if there's a

763
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: forest fire? And I thought it through and most of

764
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: the answer was keep my car, you know, gassed and

765
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: ready to go and have my go bag and I

766
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: was like, that's it. That's the only preparation I'm going

767
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: to do for this fire that may or may not happen.

768
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: And so then I stopped worrying about it because I've

769
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: done everything that I'm going to do. There's like a

770
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: next level thing, like actually these particular fires, I was

771
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: looking it up. I think one hundred thousand people have

772
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: been displaced from their homes in Canada as a result

773
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: of this.

774
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: Jeez it is.

775
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: We are currently at one four hundred percent of the

776
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: fires that are normal for this time of the year.

777
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're not even in summer yet.

778
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've eight point seven million acres have burned so

779
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: far this year. Six point two million per year is

780
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: normal like total, and we're not at summer yet, and

781
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: so shit's gonna get worse, but it's not. But we can.

782
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: We can handle it. And we can like look at

783
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: these things, and we can look at the predator and

784
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: well we can't it's invisible because of the yeah, little

785
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: invisibility field.

786
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: But we can, we can. I mean, there are some

787
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: predators that we can look at, which is where I

788
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: should say that. Like there's a pretty good movie about

789
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: pipelines that came out recently. Oh yeah, but uh yeah, no,

790
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean you you have like looking at in the

791
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: face is necessary and also finding This is part of

792
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: why I brought up the first thing I brought up

793
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: was those those Coarsey Rosenthal filters, because like having a

794
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: thing to do when like you wake up in the

795
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: morning and it's orange. Yeah, like is a nice way

796
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: to allay the doom feeling. Like give yourself a task.

797
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: It increases agency. And when you once you build that thing,

798
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: you know, either you'll use it all up right away

799
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: because those filters don't last forever, or you'll have something

800
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: on hand the next time this occurs. Yeah, so yeah,

801
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's what I got, Margaret, You got

802
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: anything else to get into?

803
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: Uh. I want to say that if you're in a

804
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: fire area, you should have your plan of escape. You

805
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: should have your go bag. If a fire is like

806
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: particularly likely, you're going to keep that go bag in

807
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: your vehicle and keep it pointed outwards. You want to

808
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: clear the area around your house if that's something that

809
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: you choose to do. Obviously, if you're like, no, the

810
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 2: whole points I live in a cabin with trees over

811
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: it or whatever, right, Yeah, And there's more that you

812
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: can do to look at making sure that like a

813
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: lot of the fires are about sparks getting sucked in

814
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: through vents, and there's ways to close it up. And

815
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: I also want to say, this is a really good

816
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: time to take care of each other in particular, look

817
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: out for asthmatic friends, or if you're the asthmatic friend,

818
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: get other people to help take care of you. Go

819
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: get groceries for your asthmatic friends during a smoke emergency,

820
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: because you're going to be able to handle it a

821
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: lot better than some other people might.

822
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're heading down to the store to go

823
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: get filters in a box, fan or something, check in

824
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: with your neighbors and see how they're doing and what

825
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: they're capable of handling for themselves and stuff. You know,

826
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: hopefully this won't be bad for everyone for too long,

827
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, as we always say. But like, look, guys,

828
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: this isn't going to be the last time in New

829
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 1: York is the color of Mexico in a breaking bad right, Yeah,

830
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: Like it's this is going to happen again, because the

831
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: fires aren't going to stop until there's no more forest

832
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: left than they all have, more gloriously clean air.

833
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

834
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

835
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: Well, and then the final thing I want to say

836
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: is that like a lot of the stuff, right, like

837
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: walking around in a half mask respirator is a little

838
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: bit less weird to people than walking around in a

839
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: full face respirator is a little bit less weird than

840
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: walking around in a gas mask. And and we actually

841
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: need to build these social norms. I think the reason

842
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: that people have stopped masking in a lot of parts

843
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: of the country is literally just because of social norms.

844
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: Have stopped having people mask, and people don't want to

845
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: be the weirdo with a mask. And I will say,

846
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: as someone who has been the weirdo for the past

847
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: thirty years of my life, it's not that bad to

848
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: be the weirdo. And we can build new social norms.

849
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: And so if you're worried about wearing a half mask

850
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: respirator and a smoke emergency because you'll look weird, it

851
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: is better than getting sick.

852
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's one of those things. All of us

853
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: crazy people had a nice moment, Yeah, at the start

854
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: of the pandemic when we like looked over at our

855
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: mountains of beans and storable foods and rifles, and ah,

856
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: it was all the worthwhile.

857
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we need to break the social modum

858
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: about preparing in general, right, and I actually, I mean

859
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: if you're listening to the show, then you're probably a

860
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: little bit aware of this. But we just yeah, like

861
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: talk to your friends who wouldn't normally talk about preparing

862
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: and talk about how we can how we can do this.

863
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: We need to make preparedness like a part of our

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Speaker 2: culture because shit is getting more intense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, handle handle your shit. Sorry, this

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Speaker 1: is happening to you, you east Sts, you coasties. I

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Speaker 1: did hear a good joke recently where someone was like,

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Speaker 1: the visibility is so bad that we New Yorkers can't

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Speaker 1: even go on walking here anymore. Yeah, it's good. It's

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Speaker 1: good anyway, enjoy that joke, everybody, and avoid dying.

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