1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: What's up, guys. Welcome back to Post ran High. Today's 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: episode is one I have been really looking forward to. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: I'm sitting down with Whitney Levitt. You may know her 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: from TikTok or from the Hulu series The Secret Lives 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: of Mormon Wives. Whitney has lived so much of her 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: life online, from building a massive platform as part of 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: the original Mom Talk Circle, to navigating public scrutiny, marriage, motherhood, 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: and now reality TV. In this conversation, we go deep. 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: We talked about what it was like growing up Mormon, 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: the rise and unraveling of Mom Talk, how it felt 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: watching herself back on screen, and what she carried into 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: season two. Before we dive in, I want to thank 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: you so much for tuning in. Your support means the 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: world to me. And if you're enjoying the show, please 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: leave us a review and share this episode with your friends. 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: It truly helps us grow and continue bringing you meaningful conversations. 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: All right, let's get our Post Run High going. Whitney 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: love it. 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 2: Welcome to Post Run High. 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: Thank you. 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: How are you doing? I'm good. I I have my 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: Post run High right now. 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: We did a little run Slash Hot Mom Walk and 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: I loved it same we walked around Dumbo, Brooklyn. I 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: loved showing you Dumbo. 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: Oh that was gorgeous. That was absolutely sunny. I also loved. 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: Finding out that you have a little bit of a 28 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: running background, a little bit. 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: It's so tiny. It's connected to New York City, Yes 30 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: it is. And I told her. I told Connor, I 31 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: was like, if we were to do any marathon, like 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: this is it. So when the opportunity came and like, like, 33 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: we have to do it. I don't know if we 34 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 2: trained enough for it, but I'll never do it again. 35 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: Whitney ran the twenty twenty two New York City Marathon 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: with her husband Connor. I don't know if I'll do 37 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: it again. I much prefer to cheer is what I've realized. 38 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: And like, since I have done it, now I can 39 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: get to that mile twenty four cheer zone and be like, 40 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: you are so close, but I know it's gonna relay with. 41 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: Them, Yeah, yeah, you're with them. My feet, like my 42 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: toe now was dead, Like I thought that was just 43 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: like a myth. I was like, no, like my big 44 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: tone now fell off. Yeah, yeah, no, that happens. That 45 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: definitely happens. You had a baby seven months ago. You 46 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: look incredible. Thank you so much. 47 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: Is working out a part of your life? 48 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, very much. So I used to not be a 49 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: workout girly, and I had a friend who just like 50 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: kind of inspired me to get into it. So I 51 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: count my macros. I've been absolutely loving that and I'll 52 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: lift plus two like I love Starmaster, I love twelve 53 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: three thirty Like those are my staples, my go tos. 54 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: Just like running was just like as you get older, 55 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: very very hard on my body. 56 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: It is hard. No, I love twelve three thirty. Running 57 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: for me just like keeps me mentally sane. I just 58 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: need to move my body a little bit and then 59 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm showing up better in work in life. Yeah, 60 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your upbringing and what 61 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: your life was like growing up in Utah, and a 62 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: little bit about maybe your family dynamic. 63 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: So I grew up in a big family, I would say, 64 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 2: and my mom was a foster mom, so we also 65 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: had a lot of foster kids live with us, Like 66 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: we had probably around like six to seven additional kids 67 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: in our home broke growing up, So that for me 68 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: it's different from my younger siblings. But for me. I 69 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: always had foster siblings like my whole upbringing, which I loved, 70 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: Like I feel like made me a more person that 71 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: I could literally get along with anyone. Doesn't mean I 72 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: like everyone, but I could get along with anyone and 73 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: relate with anyone. And also a little more outgoing, I 74 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: think too. And I grew up in orm Utah, that's 75 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: like the heart of Mormons. I feel like I went 76 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: to every school, like elementary, middle, high school, everyone was Mormon, 77 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: Like that's just what I knew, and I essentially kind 78 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: of grew up in that bubble, which looking back when 79 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: I was when I left high school, I always thought 80 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: that it was like I hated that, but I also 81 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: kind of loved that, Like ignorance is bliss, Like I 82 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: love kind of not knowing what the real world was like. 83 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: And it's really cool being able to grow up with 84 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: other people around you that have those shared values. Oh yeah, 85 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: and you grew up one of five, right, so yes, 86 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: within your immediate family as five kids, And then I 87 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: love knowing that your parents fostered I think that is 88 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: such a unique experience to grow up around that. Are 89 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: you still close with a lot of the kids that 90 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: were in your house. 91 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: So the ones that were with us for probably five 92 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: plus years, absolutely like they're considered family. But it was 93 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: different for every kid that came in our home, Like 94 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: some would be like a couple of weeks, some would 95 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: be a few months, and then some were like I 96 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 2: literally was raised with them. So those ones that I 97 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: was basically raised with, Yeah, they're considered family. 98 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: Oh sure, your mom like. 99 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: Actually has to be a saint. She is. She is 100 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: super mom. She is amazing. 101 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, not only raising five kids but then also opening 102 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: your home to all these other kids to come in 103 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: and you know, be with your family. That is so 104 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: so cool. They feel like a lot of people don't 105 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: know what it means to grow up Mormon, and I 106 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: think it's a religion that sparks like so much curiosity 107 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: as you like a lot of religions. Can you break 108 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: down what does it mean to grow up Mormon? Like 109 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: what are some of the values that you grow up having? 110 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: And then also what are some of the traditions that 111 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: you guys follow, I mean growing up. 112 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: I would say it's a bit stricter. We have what's 113 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: called the Word of Wisdom, which is no coffee, no tattoos, 114 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: no recreational drugs, no alcohol, and just like going to church. 115 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:32,559 Speaker 2: I went to church every Sunday, dressing modestly. I would 116 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: just say, those are things that I think you learn 117 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: in almost every religion, but growing up I felt was 118 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 2: a lot stricter than separating myself from that environment and 119 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: learning about other people. It's like, well, yeah, but like 120 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 2: we'd go to church maybe like once every six months 121 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: or something like. No, like it was every Sunday. And 122 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: even with that, I was going to like girls camps, 123 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: and I was involved in the Mormon community. Like it 124 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: was just it was life within the show. 125 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: When we were watching season one of Secret Lives of 126 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: Mormon Wives, I know there were some people that were 127 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: more religious than others. So like, did you feel like 128 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: your social circle, like the people that you hung out 129 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: with were more devout or is it kind of a mix? 130 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: Gosh, it's just a mix. When people say like, oh, 131 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: you're more religious than this person, I don't view it 132 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 2: that way because I think like all of us have 133 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: a relationship with God. It is just as far as 134 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: like what's within the religion or the the guidelines. Some 135 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: of us just follow those guidelines a little bit more 136 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: than others. And I love those guidelines, and I want 137 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: to teach my kids those guidelines, whether they want to 138 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: follow them or not, you know, up to them. Yeah, 139 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: Like I don't drink alcohol, like and I love that. 140 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: I tried it once and I thought it was disgusting, 141 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: and like I don't get it, and I don't drink coffee, 142 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: but I that one, I just think is like whatever. 143 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: I also have tasted it and I didn't really like it, 144 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: but I mean, I love my caffeine. I think that 145 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: as far as being religious, think all of us have 146 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: a relationship with God in one way or another, or 147 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: any higher being or whatever you believe in. But as 148 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: far as like the guidelines that you live in the 149 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: Mormon religion or that you're taught in the more religion, 150 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: everybody lives it a little differently. 151 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: What would you say are some things that people maybe 152 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: get misconstrued on social media about being Mormon? 153 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: I think that like people think that, which is funny 154 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: because it's still like kind of true. It's just like 155 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: the trad wife, like the women stays home, does the cooking, 156 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: the cleaning, raises the children while the man goes out 157 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: and works. And it's like for my dynamic right now, 158 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: that's the complete opposite. Like I'm the one going out, 159 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: you know, making the money, providing for the family, and 160 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: Connors at home with the kids. But two years ago 161 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: it was the other way around. Like we've flip flopped, 162 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: so you know, I wouldn't say that that's always going 163 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: to be his role. And also he still has a 164 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: job actually, so I think that people think that, oh, 165 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: the wife has to do that, like that's like part 166 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: of the guidelines, and it's not at all, like I 167 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: think just culturally that's what it's been. 168 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: And I do think that's a really cool thing that 169 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: your like fellow castmates do show, is you guys are 170 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: all such hard working women, and that must be a 171 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: cool thing too for people to even see within your 172 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: community that maybe are more like traditional the trad wife 173 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: types of moms. They must think it's so cool to 174 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: see you guys out there, like, you know, being the 175 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: breadwinners in your families, Like it's so empowering. 176 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, my mom loves it. She's so funny that too. 177 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: She's like, but Connor needs a job too, like you know, 178 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: which I understand. Like I think that being home with 179 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: the kids, you can lose a sense of yourself. So 180 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: like having something that still gives you yourself identity is 181 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: really important. I think that's why obviously why Connor still 182 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: has a job. But yeah, my parents are still a 183 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: little bit more traditional. Yeah, I mean that's totally fair. Yeah, 184 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 2: I mean duel income. Come on. 185 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: And another part of being Mormon, right is like having 186 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: kids young? 187 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: Is that true? I think it's like if that's not 188 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: like a guideline. Again, in the culture, I think it 189 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: just happens. I mean we talk about marriage. I mean 190 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: I talked about I learned about marriage when I was 191 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: like an elementary school, Like it was just what was 192 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: the next step into your life once you graduated high school, 193 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I'm looking for someone to marry, which 194 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: is crazy thinking in Mormon culture, I'm considered someone who 195 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: was married like older. But I don't even feel like 196 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: I was that old. I was twenty four when I 197 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: got married, which I'm like, that is so young. But yeah, 198 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: like my friends nineteen twenty twenty one, it's like past 199 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: twenty one. It's like, oh, year old, which is just 200 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: so crazy to me. But yeah, definitely in Utah, it's 201 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: like if you passed that threshold of twenty one, it's like, oh, she's. 202 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: Oh, so you went from high school to BYU, which 203 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: is where you met Connor. What was like your college 204 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: experience like at BYU? This is another type of university 205 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: that I feel like sparks a lot of curiosity. Right. 206 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: So, I right after high school, I actually lived in 207 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: Africa for a little bit for four months. Then right 208 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: after that I went to be Au but I went 209 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: to BYU Hawaii and loved it there. That was my 210 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: worst semester I've ever done. And then from BA Hawaii, 211 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: I transferred to BYU Provo now BYAU Hawaii and py 212 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: you Provo are like night and day differences, yeah again, 213 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: but I was used to it. It was everyone's Mormon. 214 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: We all live by these rules. Okaya, what were you 215 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: doing in Africa? Let's start there. So I did it 216 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: with help International, and I feel like that was the 217 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 2: first time that I like left the bubble, which like 218 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: all places Africa, which is so funny. 219 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: Because I talked to Africa, but while I. 220 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: Was watching the Book of Mormon, because I went to Uganda. 221 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: So because have you seen the Book of More, I 222 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 2: haven't seen it yet. So it's about these missionaries who 223 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: get called to Uganda, Okay, And I just am sitting 224 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is so funny because I literally grew 225 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: up in Utah and then I like left the bubble 226 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: going to Uganda Africa could totally relate to the whole show. 227 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 2: But just like even the people I did it with, 228 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: not everyone was Mormon. And I was like, wait, like, 229 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: it's just was so crazy to me to think that 230 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: I thought that just everyone was Mormon. Like it's beyond 231 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: me to look back and think that, but that's really 232 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 2: what I thought. And it was very eye opening and 233 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: I loved it. Anyways, I was there doing humanitarian work 234 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: and I absolutely loved it. And I missed a steps. 235 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: After being Hawaii, I went on a mission and then 236 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: I went to Boyo Provo and on my mission, I 237 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: was in Atlanta, Georgia. 238 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: So the trip to Africa wasn't technically a mission, but 239 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: it was still like doing. 240 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: It was it was humanitarian Okay. 241 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the missiluteer trips that you can do that, yes, 242 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: those are really cool. 243 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: Oh. I loved it. 244 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: And then while you were at Uyu, what were you studying? Like, 245 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: what was the plan to do post college? 246 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: Was studying dance? Okay? Oh? 247 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: My God, that makes so much sense because. 248 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: You're such a good dancer. Thank you. Yeah, I grew 249 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: up dancing my whole life. It's my outlet. So the 250 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: most like me when I dance, that's my high, that's 251 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: my running high is when I when I dance, I 252 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: did everything, but at BYU it's definitely more modern and 253 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: like contemporary. 254 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: So you were a dance major, did you plan on 255 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: like graduating and being like a dance teacher, Like what 256 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: were you thinking post college? 257 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: Honestly, I thought I was gonna be a rocket, Like 258 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: that was the goal for me at the time. Cause again, 259 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: I just I've always loved the entertainment industry and I've 260 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: always wanted to get in acting, and I just like 261 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: didn't know the steps to get to that point because 262 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: it is such a competitive industry. Like I didn't even 263 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: know how to find like an agent, Like nobody like 264 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: talks about those things. It's and it's really hard, and 265 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: like mine just kind of happened naturally through social media. 266 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: But I did dance with a professional company in Utah 267 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 2: for a little bit after graduating, and then I got 268 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: married and had a baby, and that's like kind of 269 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: when I lost the sense of myself and then I 270 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: learned about TikTok. So I got onto TikTok right after. 271 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: I would say, like when my first her named Sedona 272 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: when she was six months old, and yeah, I think 273 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: just people got to kick out of me being a 274 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 2: mom and like shaking my ass on this platform. 275 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I feel like I remember the early days 276 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: of you being on TikTok and your fun dance videos 277 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: with Connor and like I always loved also your like 278 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: pregnancy video, yes, and you were. 279 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: Just like having a good time. 280 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, just having a good time. 281 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, as much as it I think is an outlet 282 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: for other moms who were at home, like watching it 283 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: was an outlet for me. So I was creating these 284 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: tiktoks online and there were these three women. Their names 285 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: are Taylor, Miranda, and Camill. Camill is not a cast 286 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 2: member on the show. But those three women would get 287 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: together and they were moms. They'd make videos together and 288 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: then they started inviting other moms to go and dance 289 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 2: in that group. And I would always watch those videos 290 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: and be like, oh my god, like when am I 291 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: going to get the invite? Like, like how few do 292 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: I sign up? Because we were mutuals on social media, 293 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: and then Miranda invited me to one of the get 294 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: togethers and it was so much fun. And then we 295 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: just kept doing that, and then the group kept getting 296 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 2: bigger and bigger and bigger, and like, people need to 297 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: understand that, like mom Talk Is, wasn't just the cast. 298 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: There were like twenty twenty five of us that would 299 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: get together and create content, which I'm like, I don't 300 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: even know how we would follow that many women in 301 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: the show. And then a whole scandal broke out with 302 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: Taylor and people were interested in creating a reality show, 303 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: and here we are today. 304 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: So the reality show stemmed from the scandal. 305 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: Oh wow? 306 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: And who originally came to you guys with the idea 307 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: of the show? 308 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: Was it Hulu? It wasn't Hulu. We all had at 309 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: the time the same management group, and it was funny 310 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: we were talking about it. I mean like, oh, like, 311 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: we always have so much drama in this group. How 312 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: funny would it be if we had, like just joking, like, 313 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: how funny would it be if we had a reality show? 314 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: And so our manager actually pitched it and nobody, we 315 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: didn't have any bites, nobody was really interested. And then 316 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: this scandal happened with Taylor. Can you imagine if that 317 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: would have happened, Like while, that would have been insane, 318 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: But then the scandal had happened, and then everybody was 319 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: interested in it. 320 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: When you guys first got pitched the idea, and I'm 321 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: sure you were like, wow, we kind of like manifested this. 322 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: We've been saying it should be a reality show all along. 323 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: But what were your. 324 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: Initial reactions, Like, were you guys so excited? What was 325 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: kind of the. 326 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: Oh, that's all it was. Everyone was so excited, And 327 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: I mean you have to understand, like all of us 328 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: were already doing social media. We were already sharing our lives, 329 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: and we enjoyed sharing our life, so it was like 330 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: this was just a bigger platform to do that and 331 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: a larger audience as well to then also build our 332 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: individual platforms. Like to us, we're like, this is just 333 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: this is huge. Everyone was just excited. 334 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: When you guys were filming season one of the Secret 335 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: Lives of Mormon Wives, Like, did you have any idea 336 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: what the narrative was gonna be when you actually watched 337 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: it back or were you shocked when you saw like 338 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: what was on screen? 339 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: I would say like, once we started filming like the 340 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: Six Steps, so I kind of like knew. I was like, okay, 341 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: like I think I'm the bad guy, just with like 342 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: how people were treating me. I was like, oh, like 343 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: I'm the bad guy? What do you mean? Though, just 344 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: like petty arguments that we'd get in are just like 345 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: people like not letting up in conversations that we'd have, 346 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: which you have to understand, we're filming, like you're watching 347 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: a scene that's like two minutes. It could have been 348 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: like a two hour long scene and then it's condensed 349 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: into two minutes, So there's so much more context into 350 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: that was the. 351 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: Show airing as you guys were filming, No No, So 352 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: this was so you're saying, this is happening within the dynamics, 353 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: Like I'm. 354 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: Just saying like, while well, they're filming, like I could 355 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: feel like, oh, like I'm I'm clearly the bad guy here. 356 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: But then when I watched the show, I think that 357 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: people probably would have had a lot more sympathy if 358 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: they were to see the conversations of apologies being had 359 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: or accountability that was already taken. I probably wouldn't have 360 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: been you know, painted it such like this villain, which 361 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: is so funny now because I'll get comments where it's 362 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 2: like I don't even know like what Whitney did, and 363 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I well what I did do 364 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: is I left a group chat, I didn't show up 365 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: to an event. Oh, I like spread, I like said 366 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: the whole two more mony thing too. Uh to Jen, 367 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 2: it's just stupid petty things. And like the hate that 368 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: I got from it, it's so unwarranted, like it's just 369 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: but it's reality TV and they think that like I'm 370 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: like just this character and not like an actual human being, 371 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: and I think just people love to have an opinion, 372 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: and I'm learning more and more as seasons go on 373 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: that I'm just like a character. 374 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: And you're also a very like extroverted, like loving person, 375 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: and I feel like you're like a funny person too. Yeah, 376 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: So I don't know, Like I feel like when I 377 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: was watching it, I felt like a lot of stuff 378 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: was misconstrued. And I think that's so hard too. Even 379 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: you were saying like when you got to like I 380 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: guess filming episode six, even you were like, ooh, like 381 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: I think I'm losing control of my own narrative fear, 382 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: and that's really scary. Yeah, what went through your mind 383 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: when you started realizing that and gosh, women's intuition. 384 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: Is so real. Also, well, I already was going through 385 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: it at the time, like I just found out I 386 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 2: was pregnant, and Connor and I were going through our 387 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 2: issues and not only going through it, we were sharing 388 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: it to the world, and so we were constantly talking 389 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 2: about it. And it was just I was just in 390 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: a bad headspace. So it was like processing being the 391 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 2: bad guys. So then I was like a bit resentful 392 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: and my heart was hardened, and then also being pregnant, 393 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: figuring out this stuff with my marriage, and it was 394 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: just it was a nightmare. It was very dark times. Yeah, 395 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: it's dark, and. 396 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: It's also you feel like anything that you do is 397 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: like going to be perceived as wrong, like you can't 398 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: do anything right in that setting. 399 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: No, there was nothing. That's why I just like I'm 400 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: like okay, like I guess I'll just like be unbothered 401 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: by it then because this is so incredibly out of 402 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: my control. 403 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: Was there a point in the show in season one 404 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: that like, obviously a lot of it was traumatic to watch, 405 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: of course, but was there any parts of it that 406 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: you were like, oh, I'm actually really happy that that 407 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: truth is there, you know what I mean, like were there? 408 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: Because within the it's sometimes easy to focus on the bad, 409 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: But what parts of it were you? Like, Okay, I 410 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: like the way I'm being shown. 411 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: Here in season one specifically, You're like, not like it's 412 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 2: too hard. Yeah, it was too hard, but like, you know, 413 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: there was some truth to that, to what I was watching, 414 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: And I think what I've learned today, like genuinely is 415 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: I've always had this like mindset where people are thinking 416 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: the way that I'm thinking and having the same perspective 417 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 2: in a situation. But I'm like slowly learning how to 418 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: put myself in their shoes and try and gain their perspective. 419 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: Because that's why I look so stubborn in season one, 420 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 2: because I was stubborn because I'm just like thinking that 421 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: everybody should be thinking the way that I'm thinking of 422 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 2: all of these stupid scenarios, stupid petty scenarios. So very humbling, 423 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: for sure, but I feel like, if anything, grateful for that. 424 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: I feel like, when you're watching a reality show, the 425 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: audience connects with different characters in different ways, and there's 426 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: a lot of people that learned alongside you. 427 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I hope so. 428 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: Who when you were watching it back, was like, you're 429 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: die when negative stuff happens. You see who are like 430 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: your people who showed up for you at your lowest? 431 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: Oh like in mom talk Connor, yeah my husband. Yeah, 432 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: Like Connor is the type of guy where you could 433 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: tell him literally anything and everything and there'd be no shame, 434 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: absolutely no shame. And I needed that because I'm like, 435 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, like I won't remind like I'm just 436 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 2: like so angry and just like letting me like have 437 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: those thoughts and like not like uh or responding in 438 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: a way where I'm not feeling shame. I definitely needed 439 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: at the time, and he still is. He's still my 440 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: ride or die in a way. 441 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: It's kind of like you guys were going through a 442 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: hard time in your relationship during season one, and then 443 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: you went through watching the show and like going through 444 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: so much, probably like mentally on your own, and then 445 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure it just made your relationship so much stronger. 446 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: Oh it did, And I think you know you have 447 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: to make that choice, whether for swall, marriage is so 448 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: hard and then bringing kids into it makes it even harder, 449 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: and then being the villain on is exactly and harder, yeah, 450 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 2: and then also sharing more story and then allowing it 451 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 2: like all these opinions, And I'd love to say that 452 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: I don't read those opinions, but I do, like, yeah, 453 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: it sucks. But something that I love that my therapist 454 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: told me, like while we were going through that is 455 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: you just have to make the choice do you want 456 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: to make it work or do you not? And there's 457 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 2: no right or wrong answer. And I was so happy 458 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: that somebody had even asked me that because in Mormon culture, 459 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: in the Mormon religion, it's like divorce is so looked 460 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: down upon, Like because when I did hear all of that, 461 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: that whole scandal that was going on with him, I 462 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: would just immediate was like, oh, like we'll figure it out. 463 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: Like I didn't even have that was just like the 464 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: Mormon brain in me. It was like I didn't even 465 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: sit down and think like, oh, I actually have a choice. 466 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 2: I could leave if I wanted to. So it was 467 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: refreshing like hearing somebody sit down and be like which 468 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: I needed to hear because I think if I were 469 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: to just do it because it was expected of me, 470 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: it wouldn't our relationship wouldn't be where it is today. 471 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 2: I really needed to sit down and be like, hey, 472 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 2: do I want to make this work or is it 473 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: time to leave? 474 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: I mean I also grew up in like a family 475 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, like if something goes wrong in 476 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: a marriage, like the first outlet is you make it work, 477 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: you know, or like you figure out the ways to 478 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: heal before even thinking about divorce. 479 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes divorce is probably maybe what that relationship needs, 480 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: whether you like it or not. You're going to have 481 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: trials in your marriage. You're gonna and then when you 482 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: bring kids in the mix, and how you're going to 483 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 2: discipline them and how you want to raise them, Like 484 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 2: that's just expected that those are things that are going 485 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: to happen. And it's just you have to communicate, communicate, 486 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: communicate with your partner, make sure you're on the same page. 487 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: And that's an everyday thing. You have to choose it 488 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: every day. 489 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: What would you say you learned about social media from 490 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: going through what you went through online and the show? 491 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it's just noisee. It's just noice, the good 492 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 2: and the bad. Like, you can't rely on that, you 493 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: can't rely on that validation of people being like oh 494 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: my god, I love you so much, or oh my god, 495 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: I hate you. You're the wars like you just it's 496 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: just noise. Listen to the people who actually know you. 497 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: That's where it counts. 498 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: What did your healing process look like after going through 499 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: what you went through, because it is a lot of 500 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: trauma that you experienced. 501 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like blocking out the noise because it 502 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: can be you can spiral because I was reading these 503 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 2: comments and you start to believe it, and that's when 504 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: it gets really unhealthy. So blocking out the noise and 505 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: listening to the people around you who support you and 506 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: love you and who want the best for you and 507 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: who know your actual intentions. Yeah, I think just surrounding 508 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: yourself with people who know you. That's what held me 509 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: is because I was allowing these noises to make me 510 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 2: think that this is who I was. But I'm like, 511 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: but that's not who I am. So let me listen 512 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: to the people who actually know who I am and 513 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: want the best for me. 514 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: I mean, the only way out is through and is 515 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: figuring out those things and learning those things. And it's 516 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: hard going into season two. How long did it take 517 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: for you to want to be back around the other women? 518 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 2: I didn't want to. I wanted to dip out because 519 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: I was so resentful and angry about what happened season one, 520 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: and also the aftermath, like the women feeding into that 521 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: narrative when they know what actually happened, and just like 522 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 2: bashing me online, like it was just so unwarranted and 523 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: not needed. It's like kicking me while I was down. 524 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: And so I was just saying green resentful, and I 525 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: was just like I didn't want to go back, but 526 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 2: Connor was, you know, just sitting down and having conversations 527 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 2: with him, Like if you care about these relationships, conversations 528 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: need to be had and they're gonna be hard conversations 529 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: and it's gonna suck. And it did, but I'm happy 530 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: that I did. Yeah, the only way out is through unfortunately. 531 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: What when you were watching season two back, were you 532 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: excited to see the way you showed up in this 533 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: next season? Oh? 534 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, I am. I think that I when 535 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: I watch it, I do think I did lose a 536 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: little bit of my voice season two, and I think 537 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: it's because I had this fear of being the bad 538 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: guy again. I didn't want to be the bad guy again, 539 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: so I don't want that to happen anymore. I don't 540 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 2: want that to that fear to control me. I want 541 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 2: to be able to be myself and show up for myself. 542 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, we saw a s after side 543 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: of Whitney, but I didn't feel like that's fully who 544 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: Whitney was still Like I just it's because I had 545 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: this like voice in the back of my head where like, no, 546 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: you have to like be a good girl, because there's 547 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 2: so many conversations where people were coming at me and 548 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, I got to be the 549 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: bigger person. But there's so many times where I would. 550 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: Be like, fuck you, of course. 551 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that I just want to show up 552 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: for myself more for upcoming seasons and be able to 553 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: not have that be a fear. 554 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to feel like you have to 555 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: be silenced. 556 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 2: No, And I felt like season two I was. But 557 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: by my It's not like anybody was silencing me. I 558 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: just I felt like I lost my voice. 559 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: Who from the show out of the Women is like 560 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: one of your best friends, like a rider die in 561 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: the show. 562 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 2: It's to me, which is shocking because season one was 563 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: a shit shut with to me, like I would say 564 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: me and her, and maybe it wasn't portrayed that one, 565 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 2: but me and her had the most animosity during season one. 566 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: But no, she's my girl. 567 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: I love that. 568 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we like I don't know, you don't really see 569 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: it a lot in season two, but we rekindled that relationship. Yeah, 570 00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: she's my rider, die for sure. 571 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: Your life has completely changed through social media and the 572 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: secret lives of Mormon wives. We talked about this a 573 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: little bit during our run. But you want to get 574 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: into acting. Yes, you've got a lot going on. You 575 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: are a business woman through and through, so let's talk 576 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 1: about what you're excited about and what's coming up. 577 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: So I'm a couple of things. I'm starting a business 578 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 2: and I'm so excited about it. I've been on like 579 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: this hair journey. I've changed my hair a lot. It's 580 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 2: been so damaged. I created a tool to clean out 581 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 2: your hair brushes, and it's amazing tool because I've learned 582 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: how important it is to clean out your hair brush 583 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: and I couldn't find any tool that would like do 584 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 2: the job properly, like getting out all the hair and 585 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: then on top of that getting like the built umpter 586 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: and grime like I usually would just go buy a 587 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: new hair brush, but we should be cleaning our hair 588 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 2: brushes weekly. So I created a tool. It's going to 589 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 2: come out soon, hopefully in June. And yeah, hopefully like 590 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: some crossovers with reality TV coming up. And I have 591 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 2: been which I'm grateful for, meeting people in the acting industry, 592 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: had a really cool I've had opportunities for really cool 593 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 2: auditions that I've been able to audition for with like 594 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: really big actors and actresses, and I'm like, I just 595 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: need to land that role and then I know it's 596 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: just gonna take off. 597 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: Your hair looks amazing. So I am exciting, healthy, No 598 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: extensions here. Thank you so much for being with me. 599 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks so much.