1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle look on 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Giants dot com. Were on the Giants Mobile. Let him in, 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Let the Giants podcast Network. Welcome to the newest episode 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: of the Giants Huttle Podcast. My name is John Schmilk. 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: We have a new member of the Giants Huttle family. 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: Had a chance to catch up with the Menopo Combine 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: and meet him in Indianapolis. Now he's joining us and 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: talks to menfol draft. His name is Chad Ryder from 9 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: NFL dot com. You knowing well from his four round mocks. 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: They give him the hard work, not these easy one 11 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: round mocks that lands your lines putting out. I mean, 12 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: they give this guy the tough assignments. He joins us 13 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: from Wisconsin. Chad, It's good to talk to you man. 14 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: How are you. I'm doing great. I prefer to view 15 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: them as the fun assignments, like the puzzles, the thousand 16 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: piece puzzles. Nobody else wants to take on of some 17 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: Scottish castle somewhere. That's what I That's what I do. 18 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: So that's that's the fun part. A man that enjoys pain, 19 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate the chat. Just to remind you can find 20 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: the John Suttle podcast on giants dot com, slash podcast, 21 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: the Giants app, and in your favorite pods as platforms. Remember, folks, 22 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: if you like draft content, go subscribe to the draft 23 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: season podcasts on a separate podcast feed. It's no longer 24 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: on the Giant Subtle feed. To make sure you guys. 25 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: Go check that out. Alright, Chad, you had a four 26 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: round mock come out about a week ago. You had 27 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: a lot of trades. Man, you talk about having fun. 28 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: You had some fun with this, and a lot of 29 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: it was for quarterbacks. So I'm curious if this was 30 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: just an exercise you wanted to do to see how 31 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: the draft would look if this happened, or if you 32 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: really think I think you had five quarterbacks in the 33 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: first round, if I'm not mistaken, if you think this 34 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: is how this is gonna go, well, I think this 35 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: is what every every mock draft that anybody does is 36 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: simply one scenario out of dozens of different scenarios that 37 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: can play out. It's mind numbing how many scenarios you 38 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: can think of if you if you think about it 39 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: for a while. But you know what, every year, there 40 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: are five or six trades in a draft, and I 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: that's why I try to project that many, just to 42 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: give us an idea because as nobody you know, every 43 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: year it seems like people are like, oh my god, 44 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: I can't believe that happened. But I'm like, if you 45 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: just look at history, you know stuff like this happens. 46 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: Last year, for example, I projected the Bears to trade 47 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: with the Giants so that the Bears could go up 48 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: and get a quarterback. And I don't know how many 49 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: messages I saw saying the Giants never trade down, it's 50 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: not gonna happen, blah blah blah blah blah. Well, stuff happens, right, 51 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: So that's why I like to type. But in terms 52 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks, like, I like the quarterbacks a lot 53 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: more than other people do. I think they're all very talented. Um, 54 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: are they all guaranteed to turn out? No, of course not. 55 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: But if you get a thirty tot chance of getting 56 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: a really good starting quarterback in the league, I think 57 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: you have to take that shot in the first round. 58 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: You don't want to rate. We've seen so many examples 59 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: of teams that decided not to take a quarterback. Then 60 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: the next year they're looking for one year after that, 61 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: you know. So so I think I like I like 62 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: Sam Hall A lot A lot of people don't. That's fine. 63 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: I think he's got a lot of talent. Um, so 64 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: I project him in the first round. A lot of 65 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: people don't. Desmond Ritter I've had in the first round 66 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: for a while. People are starting to warm up to 67 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: that a little bit more now. Um. You know, same 68 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: with Matt Corral going earlier. People didn't think that was 69 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: gonna So I think it's just this time of year. Um, 70 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: people love to hate quarterbacks and pick all the things 71 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: that they do wrong without taking a big picture look 72 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: and saying, look, these guys have talent, we can work 73 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: with them. Um. So that's I think the I think 74 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks will go higher than people think. Um. But 75 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, teams are weird sometimes and what they and 76 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: what they think going into a draft. So no guarantees 77 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: and we're gonna stick with the first round here from 78 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: a bit. But I really want to dig deep with 79 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: Chad because he really does a lot of deep work 80 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: on this. Drave will do a lot of second, third, 81 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: fourth round talk today with Chad, but just f y, 82 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: I I think if giant fans see what you did 83 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: here and they look at the results, they'd be throwing 84 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: a parade down Fifth Avenue in New York City because 85 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: you have them trading down with the Saints from number five, 86 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: the Saints coming up to get their quarterback, and the 87 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: Giants walk away from this draft with Cavan Thibodeaux, who 88 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people think is the best defensive end 89 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: in this draft class, depending who you talked to. I mean, 90 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: Walko with Derek Stingley, who by far has the best 91 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: single year of tape of any cornerback in this class. 92 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: Maybe not the last two years, but his freshman yeame 93 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: and Charles Cross I think a lot of people believe 94 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: might be the best past protector in this draft class. Boy, 95 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: this worked out pretty wealth with the Giants ide. Yeah, yeah, 96 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: And I think that's uh, you know, I'm not sure 97 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: that the Giants want to get out of five or seven. 98 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: I mean, because you get a chance to get two 99 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: elite prospects and so, you know, but when somebody dangles 100 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: to mid first round picks in front of you, and 101 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: if they think that some of these quarterbacks are gonna 102 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: go early, then will push some of these other guys 103 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: back into the middle of the first round. Then they 104 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: have to listen, I think, and um, you know, a 105 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: trade like that hasn't happened in twenty years. So I 106 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: wrote that right in the mock draft. I'm like, look, 107 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: this hasn't happened in a long time, but you know 108 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: things happen that have happened, and a lot that you know, 109 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: things like that happen all the time, so so it 110 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: would be really interesting. I think they'd have to listen 111 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: if they don't stay at the top of the draft. 112 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: I think that would be a great Kansas City is 113 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: another team that's gonna try to move up, maybe with 114 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: two first round picks, and so we might see some 115 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: weird stuff going on this year and it's fun to 116 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: think about the possibilities. Now, the Giants do want to 117 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 1: move down, Chad, and you need tell on multiple pigs, Eyre. 118 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: I think the Giants like to pick up picks in 119 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: next year's draft, right. Who do you think some of 120 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: the teams might be besides the Saints that could be 121 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: looking to move up to five and seven, And maybe 122 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: Giant fans should be keeping an eye on sure Um 123 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: Seattle if they want a quarterback. They want to get 124 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: ahead of Carolina if they think Carolina is gonna take 125 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: a quarterback, which isn't for certain. They may trade for 126 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo or something. But let's just say that that 127 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: teams are gonna assume that they or they don't want 128 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: to take the chance of losing out on their guys. 129 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: And we put it so Atlanta and Seattle are the 130 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: two big teams to watch to go into five ahead 131 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: of Carolina. Uh So that's that's the that's the way 132 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: I see it playing out. New Orleans is another one. 133 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh would probably like to move up, but I don't 134 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: think they have enough AMMO to move up into five 135 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: or seven. So I think you're limited to teams. And 136 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: and you know, again, the Giants probably don't want to 137 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: move out of the top ten if they don't have to, 138 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: unless they get like a sweetheart deal. Uh you know, 139 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: as as we were talking about what the Saints. So 140 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: I think those are the teams that are really have 141 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: the best shot of moving up. And you imagine that 142 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: that fifth pick probably has a lot more value than 143 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: the seventh, just because of the Panthers at six in 144 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: the chance they pick a quarterback. Right, Well, I think 145 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: if you're if you're a team not looking. I mean 146 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: the fifth has more value for a team looking for 147 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Yes, absolutely, I think that's you know, typically 148 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: how teams move up, they're looking for teams that have 149 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: similar needs and they try to get ahead of them, 150 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: uh to make to make that pick. So I think, well, 151 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: another example for you know, fans of other teams that 152 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: might be watching the Packers at twenty two. Everybody in 153 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: the league knows they need a wide receiver. The Patriots 154 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: at twenty one they like moving down, so like I 155 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: can imagine the Patriots getting all kinds of phone calls 156 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: for that. So those are the types of situations that 157 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: usually happen. You know, one of the teams that I 158 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: think is interesting for potential trade up Chad are the Chargers. 159 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: The a f C. West has just gone through this 160 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: whole arms race right this offseason. Everyone is trying to 161 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: stock up. It's by far the best division of football. 162 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: What a nightmare if you're a defensive coordinator in that division. 163 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: Good luck, like right, you know, God be with you. 164 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: So well the Chargers, you think if they see a 165 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: couple of those tackles go off the board early, you 166 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: know they don't want to have to run out Storm 167 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: Norton to get a right tackle that was a nightmare 168 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: for them last year. Do you think they could move 169 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: up looking for one of those offensive tackles if they 170 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: do drop a little bit or do you think they're 171 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: not gonna want to move the draft capital it's gonna 172 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: be necessary to do that. Um, the Churchers haven't made 173 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: a lot of trades in recent years. I mean, it's 174 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: certainly a possibility because as you say, let's just say 175 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: that they love Charles Cross and they don't think they 176 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: would They don't want like the Texans to take them 177 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: at third Keene or something like were the Saints right, 178 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: who would SATs exactly? So you know that that would 179 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: be a perfect situation. But I think the Chargers have 180 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: actually been pretty good at letting the draft come to 181 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: them and pick up guys that fall into their area 182 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: that people wouldn't necessarily think. I also think that that 183 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: they may actually look for a corner in the first 184 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: round as well as tackle. Um. You know, another guy 185 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: like Trevor Penning for example, from Northern Iowa. He he 186 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: could fit in well with them, um, and he I 187 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: think will be available at seventeen. Uh and another you 188 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: know another way that they could do this is they 189 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: could take a guard and move Matt Filer outside. So 190 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: they have a lot of different a lot of different things. 191 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: Or Kenyan green Um would be a guy if they 192 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: look at him in the middle of the first round, 193 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: they could play him at right tackle if they wanted to, 194 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: or they could. So I think they have a lot 195 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: of options there, and they don't necessarily have to move 196 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: up to go to get a guy that they want 197 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: and give up that draft capital. And to your point, 198 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: rashawns later fell right in their lap last year and 199 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: they I did. I did a podcast with the Chargers 200 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: website and they asked who they're gonna take, I said, 201 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: Rashawn Slater, and you know, they're like, well, I'm not 202 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: sure he's gonna be available. I'm like, look, um, you know, 203 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: guys like that fall and that could be like Charles Cross. 204 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: A lot of people think he's a great pass protector 205 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: and all that, but he's not as big um, not 206 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: quite as physical as some of the other guys. Maybe 207 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: that that might go a little higher, So you never know. Alright, 208 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: let let's dig into the second round here a little bit. 209 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: So in the second round, in your recent mock you 210 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: the Giants picking George Pickens at thirty six. So, by 211 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: the way, I think, I think it's really good value. 212 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: Like if you told me Chad in three years George 213 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: Pickens has just as good of a career as Drake London, 214 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't surprise me. Like, I don't think they're that different. 215 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: So you can talk about those two specifically, are just 216 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: generally how big of a drop off is it from 217 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: like the first group of wide receivers to the second 218 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: group like Crystal lave sky more. How big of a 219 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: difference is it To me? I think that sweet spot 220 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: for a wide receiver, and now there's a lot of 221 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: teams that want him now, so it could get dicey 222 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: with the that's the problems, you know, in that thirty range. 223 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: That's right, and I think you're right. You know, typically 224 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: speaking at any position, the difference between the pick in 225 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: the first round and pick in the second round is 226 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: actually pretty minimal. You're really looking for a scheme fit 227 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: or something like that, or a team needs that that 228 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: makes some of these other guys, you know, fall into 229 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: the early second round. George Pickens could be a first 230 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: round pick looking at the packers, looking at the Chiefs. 231 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of chances of him being 232 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: a first round pick, but if you was to fall 233 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: early in the second round, that would be a great 234 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: deal for for any team that gets him, because you know, 235 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: without the A C. L. And then that's the problem 236 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: with this receiver class is that there's a lot of talent, 237 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of injuries. So what do you 238 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: do with that? James and Williams would have been a 239 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: top ten pick for sure if not for the injury, 240 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: and he still might be um, you know Pickens Uh, 241 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, justin Ross. You don't know how high that 242 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: guy can go with his with his injury situation. So 243 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys like that, and you're right, 244 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: sky More John Watson, Uh, you know there's a lot 245 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: of guys in that second round. Christian Watson, John Dotson 246 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: and Christian Watson I had to mix together. But by 247 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: the way, Fine and Watson, it'd be a hell of 248 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: a play. Yeah, So a lot of value in the 249 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: in the top fifty at receiver. I think this year, 250 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: don't is your chance to experience a premier hospitality experience 251 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: watching giants games, world class concerts in two as a 252 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: Giant Sweet partner. Limited full season locations are available, or 253 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: plays a deposit for individual games called n YG of 254 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: his Giants dot com slash suites for more information. All right, 255 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: let's another interesting thing. I thought you attending Green dropping 256 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: all the way to thirty nine, and you know, for 257 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: a while he was like, oh, he's the first guard 258 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: off the board, no question. You know, you watch him 259 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: on tape and then you saw at the combine. I 260 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: don't love his movement skills, which which I think, which 261 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: is weird because he did left tackle for them, right, 262 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: you figured out why is gonna be a problem? But 263 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: I agree with you, I think it is. Do you 264 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: think there's a legitimate shot that he might drop out 265 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: of that first round and be available to the Giants 266 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: at thirty six? Like, do you think Zion is going 267 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: to be the first one off? Now? Now that's interesting 268 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: because when I did so, I did this, wrote this 269 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: mock draft like two weeks ago basically, and it came 270 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: out last week, right, So it takes some time to 271 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: get these things out on the street. But you know, 272 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: I agree that that Kenyan Green's movement is not He's 273 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: not overly mobile. But I'll tell you what I've thought 274 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: about this over the last week or so, and I've 275 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: thought about guys like Lake and Tomlinson, UM, Joshua Garnett, 276 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: h David de Castro, some of these guys that didn't 277 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: have elite mobility, but they had the power. And I 278 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: think teams may view some of that depending on what 279 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: their scheme is, they may really love that. So I 280 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: can see him going anywhere from like I said, the 281 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: Chargers in the middle of the first round to the 282 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: into the forties. Like he some teams may view him 283 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: as more of a Cody Ford type and he went 284 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: early in the second. So he's one of those guys 285 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: that could really go anywhere in between the Cowboys, the Cardinals, UM, 286 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: and the Patriots could pick him in the twenties, or 287 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: he could end up falling into that and that that 288 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff happens every year where you're not 289 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: quite sure if teams are gonna be able to match 290 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: patch up you know their skill set, or um, you 291 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: know where he's gonna end up going. So he really 292 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: could be anywhere in that range. Do you have Linderbaum 293 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: in that same area too, or will his traits and 294 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: his scheme fit also scared some teams away where he 295 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: could have it on. You know, we were talking about 296 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: him as a top fifteen pick three months ago, but 297 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: could he drop to I think that I was probably 298 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: wishful thinking. And I love Tyler lind Obama as a player. 299 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: He's a lot of fun to watch, um, you know, 300 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: but the teams are gonna be concerned about his length 301 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: and you know, um, Garrett Bradberry when he came out 302 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: of NC he stayed mid first Rounald pick. I think 303 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some comparisons to him, and and he's 304 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: struggled at times with power because of that lack of length. 305 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: And if you watch Lindar Bam, you know he can stronger. 306 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: Guys can get into him a little bit and move them. 307 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: So that might be a concern for some teams. Um. 308 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: So I think if you get him late first early second, 309 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: like Jacksonville, could fall into him like at the first 310 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: pick of the second round, and I think they would 311 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: love that. And he's a really he reminds me a 312 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: lot of Ryan Khalil, who had a great NFL career 313 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: as a second round pick, very similar traits. The other 314 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: thing is that Cam Jurgens from Nebraska is not significantly 315 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: different as a prospect than linder Bomb. So a team 316 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: looking for a center could say, hey, if we don't 317 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: get this guy, like the Ravens, for example, a lot 318 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: of teams thought they might take linder Bomb early, Well 319 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: they may wait and say, hey, look, I might be 320 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: able to get Cam Jurgens in the second round, and 321 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: he's a really similar player, so maybe I'll use that 322 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: pick somewhere else. Yeah, I think their traits are similar. 323 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: I think linder Bomb is much more polished at this 324 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: point for sure. If if you look at the tape 325 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: and you know to your point, you Jurgen's at number 326 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: thirty three in in your mock, and really look, I 327 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: don't know how you see Tyler Smith, but if you 328 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: see him as a tackle, I see him as a guard. Yeah, 329 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: I believe Jurgen's is your only interior Him and Greeny 330 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: you're only two interior offensive lineman going in the second 331 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: round of that mock. Do you think there's gonna be 332 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: that big of a gap before you get to the 333 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, Fortner's, the Canard, the Um, Dylan Parum, ed Ingram, 334 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: those guys. Do you think there's gonna be that big 335 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: of a gap there. Well, I have Joshua as you 336 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: do from North Carolina as a guard later in the 337 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: second round, So I do have one in there um 338 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: and I think somebody will go in that second round. 339 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: Other it might be par Um, you know, some of 340 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: these other guys. But you know, if you look over time, 341 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: there's not like there's typically not like five or six 342 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: interior offensive linemen taken in the second round. The teams 343 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: usually wait until the third round and they get like 344 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: some of the elite guys in the second round and 345 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: then wait a little bit on that. So it's you know, 346 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: a lot of this doesn't have anything to do with 347 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: how good of a player these guys are. It's more 348 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: positional value and and things like that where they can 349 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: afford to wait a little bit on the interior line. 350 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: So I think all those guys are talented. I think 351 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: is a tackle honestly, and I understand why some people 352 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: put him in guard because he's not like the most 353 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: mobile guy. But some of the limitations, um, you know, 354 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: on the outside, they actually get worse when you move 355 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: a guy inside because he's got to come out of 356 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: that stance quickly at guard because that guy is right 357 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: on him right it's it's different. It's different, so I 358 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: don't I think he's probably better on the outside, even 359 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: with his limitations. Um, Tyler Smith is the same thing. 360 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: I can see why you'd want to move into the 361 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: guard because he's a really powerful player, and I think 362 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: he's got more but he's got he would be better 363 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: at it than Canard because he's got more athleticism. So 364 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: I could see that transition. But Tyler Smith, I think 365 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: is like the perfect Seahawks offensive lineman. I think they 366 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: would love to get that guy because he's huge, it's 367 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: something to work with. He's raw. They always seem to 368 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: take those kind of guys. Said, he reminds me of 369 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: d J. Fluker a little bit right right there for 370 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, So that's that's the kind of the 371 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: role I see Tyler Smith. How about Raymond uh Ernold Ryman, 372 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: who guy you had dropped to the second round and 373 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: a lot people seem to be all over the place 374 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: on him, and I think that's an upside pick, right 375 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: former tight end, he hasn't played offensive tackle for that long, 376 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, offensive tackles getting pushed up. How do you 377 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: view him and where do you think he's gonna finally 378 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: come off the board. You know. Yeah, he reminds me. Yeah, 379 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: he reminds me of the Liam Eichenberg, Dylan Raid ums. 380 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: You know last year in that second round, in the 381 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: middle of the second round, Dan Cosmi, right, that type 382 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: of area. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think that's 383 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: where he goes. He doesn't have great length for his size. Um, 384 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, he's got something like early in September this year, 385 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, God, this guy is really good. Um, you know, 386 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: second third round pick all the time. And then I 387 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: think people push him a little bit in the first round, 388 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: a little bit too far. But I think in the forties, um, 389 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, good pick a guy. Indianapolis could use that 390 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: left tackle, and I think he would be a really 391 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: good pick for them. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if 392 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: I see a team move up in the second round. 393 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: He's the kind of guy that maybe we go get 394 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: this ahead of Indianapolis something like that. And by the way, 395 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: to your previous point, Um, I work with Shannaharan David 396 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: Deal over here and they always drilled to me, John, 397 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: just don't assume you can move to tackle the guard. 398 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: You know, things move so fast in there. You have 399 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: to see more in terms of stunts and twists and 400 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's a you're right. I think people 401 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: make that assumption chad way too much. I think it's 402 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: a good point. Um. One guy that's not going to 403 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: move is Abraham Lucas, the offensive tackle from Washington State. Now, 404 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: he's an interesting evaluation to me because I think because 405 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: of the system, you know he can pass protect. But 406 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: then people keep having Andrea Dillard flashbacks the same way 407 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: they do with Charles Cross. Right, is Lucas your best 408 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: you think kind of safe second round tackle value where 409 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: you at least have a pretty good feel where you 410 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: know what he's capable of doing and pass pro. Yeah. 411 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: And the first thing I say about that is, you know, 412 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: if talked with I talked with dress sports about this 413 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: um on serious one day and judge the player, not 414 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: the system and not and not the uniform. Right. That's 415 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: so hard not to do sometimes, But and I found 416 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: myself doing that with him this year, and I had 417 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: to stop myself and I said, look, the guy doesn't 418 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: get beat ever in past protection. He was much more 419 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: of an athlete than I expected at the combine, not 420 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: just in the drill and not just in the testing. 421 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: But in the drills, it wouldn't shock me if he 422 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: ended up going late one to green Bay. It wouldn't. 423 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: But I think in the middle of the second round, 424 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: Green Bay is gonna be one of those teams looking 425 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: at him as that guy at right tackle, you stick 426 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: him in, you forget about him for you know, five 427 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: six years at least. So I think that's I think 428 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: that's where he's at his range right now, is there. 429 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: I think the second group of past rushers is interesting too. 430 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: You Dre Jackson sneaking into the first round at thirty 431 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: two to Detroit and then you know, you kind of 432 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: a rapid fire right boys off the board, Arnold bick 433 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: Ketty's off the board. How do you view that kind 434 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: of next group? And then a Jobo coming off the 435 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: Achilles injury. He's in that mix, right, How do you 436 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: view that next mix of edge guys in terms of, 437 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, when you think they're gonna start jumping off, 438 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: and how you kind of view compare and contract to 439 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: your skill test. But we've been talked much about Drake 440 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: Jackson here, and I think he's an interesting emil. Yeah, 441 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's really based on scheme more than anything. Else, 442 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: like we knew that with the zz Lari last year. 443 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: Really talented player, but a lot of teams don't want 444 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: a guy that size on the edge, and they've forgotten 445 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: about all the really good players that have played on 446 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: the edge at that side. So it's you know, teams 447 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: forget this stuff when they're evaluating. So the Giants got 448 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: a great pick with him, I think at fifty if 449 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: I remember that correctly, um and so I think this 450 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: this group also has a lot of that same um 451 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: stuff going on. Nick Benedo from Oklahoma should be a 452 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: top fifty pick. He's not as big as some teams 453 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: would want, and he's sort of a tweener, so we 454 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: may go a little lower, but I think he's a 455 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: fantastic player. Boy mafe Um showed out at the Senior Bowl. 456 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: I loved his tape at when he was in Minnesota 457 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: this year. Saw I'm seven times great stuff from him. 458 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: Uh Aba Tiqui uh Is. You know, had a great 459 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: year with Penn State as well. A little undersized again, 460 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: so I don't really see him as a team's liking 461 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: him in the first round, but again second round really 462 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: good that I think that will start late in the 463 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: first round Um like Green Bay Um the Patriots if 464 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: they've moved back. Kansas City needs an edge rusher really badly. 465 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: So a lot of these teams late in the first 466 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: will be looking and then it'll go right into the 467 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: second and we'll see a big run. It's a deep group, 468 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: so a team can find their flavor. And Jake Jackson, 469 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: for example, he got moved back and forth all the 470 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: time at USC he had to. He was up to 471 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: two seventy five, played really well. Then they asked him 472 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: to lose weight, get down to the two fifties and 473 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: play more linebacker. But now he's back up in the 474 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: two seventies, which is a good range for him. I 475 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: think so if he if a team wants to play 476 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: with his hand down, he's explosive off the edge. He 477 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: doesn't get nearly enough hype in my opinion, and I 478 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: think he could go as early as like twenty three 479 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: Arizona maybe, But I think if you get him in 480 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: the early second round or late in the first round, 481 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a really good pick down the road. 482 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: It's funny you say that. Maybe I caught a couple 483 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: of the games where he was a little bit bigger 484 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: because I almost thought he looked like almost like a 485 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: guy you want to play, you know more at like 486 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: that four eye and and and almost us as a 487 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: bigger guy. He's like a Kivan Thibodeaux late round, late 488 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: first round version in some ways, because he's got the strength. 489 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: He plays really strong and he does have the length 490 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: to do that kind of thing. But he was down 491 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: in the two fifties and then they he went back 492 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: up for his pro day, and I think that that 493 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: that's where he should be playing at because of because 494 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: of his skill set. But you know, that's why you can't. 495 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: Everybody says the tape doesn't lie, but it doesn't tell 496 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: the whole truth. College teams, they they forced these guys 497 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: into schemes that they don't necessarily belong in. All the time. 498 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: Another mid round pass rusher My J. Sanders, perfect example. 499 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: They played a lot of four like you said, four 500 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: I five technique with him. That's not what he is. 501 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: He's an ede dresser. He's got a stand up. He 502 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: may end up going a little bit later in this draft. 503 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 1: Um just because it was a little weird. He got 504 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: down to two pounds at the combine because he got sick. 505 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: That that's not good if you can get sick and 506 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: go down to two thirds. I mean, I'm glad he's 507 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: feeling okay, and it wasn't that big of a deal. 508 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: But teams don't want a guy to be to thirty 509 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: if they're gonna playing off the edge, unless you're Randy Gregory, right. 510 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: I mean that that gets that gets teams concerned. So 511 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: he may go a little bit later, but he's he 512 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: could be a really good player and if you use 513 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: him correctly, and even Luke Fickle even said that in 514 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: the press conference, like we may not use him correctly, 515 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: but that's our schemes that well, you know, you can't 516 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: you can't necessarily judge a team up prospects NFL future 517 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: when he's not used correctly in a scheme. Chad. Two 518 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: guys for me that are interesting evaluations because I almost 519 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: don't know what position they're gonna play. Is George carl Offti, 520 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: who I think you know, four or three end, but 521 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: he he kind of looks like a three technique to me. 522 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: And then you know, Cam Thomas, even at a San 523 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: Diego State, is kind of that bigger tweener type with 524 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: edge players. So how do you think NFL teams are 525 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: gonna look at those guys who don't have that bendy 526 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: twitchiness you kind of want from a pass rusher, but 527 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: they're productive of good players in their own right. Yeah, 528 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: And again, every team is gonna look at this differently, right, 529 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: Like the Eagles, for example, I could easily see them 530 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: taking him in the top twenty because he's very similar 531 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: to Derek Barnett, another guy that came out of the 532 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: league and wasn't the twitchiest athlete ever, but he was 533 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: a lot of power, comes off the edge hard, and 534 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: he moves as a linebacker. He's not like Karlft. This 535 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: is not immobile, but like you said, he's not he's 536 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: not bendy like a lot of teams like. Right, So 537 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: so he could go in, he could go in the 538 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: top twenty to a team like the Eagles, or he 539 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: could fall out of the first round altogether. And and 540 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna be very interesting to see where he goes. 541 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: To me like Kansas City, he would be a perfect 542 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: fit in Kansas City. I mean, he's He's game kind 543 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: of reminds me of Jared Allen, to be honest, I mean, 544 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: he's not quite that at all, but like that power 545 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: off the edge and just relentless U strong hands. Now, 546 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: the thing is is that he doesn't have great length, 547 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: and that's another thing that might force him out of 548 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 1: the first round, kind of smaller arms and stuff like that. 549 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: So you know, we'll see what happens. But he's a 550 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: fantastic player no matter where he's drafting. Giant season tickets 551 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: are on sale now for the season. In addition to 552 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: ticket savings, membership benefits include access to exclusive events, experiences, 553 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: pre sales, and more. You can lock in your seat 554 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: starting at just one hundred bucks called eight n y 555 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: g is a Giants dot com slash tickets for more information. 556 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: I love how you see this tight end class chat, 557 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: I really do. I think in your recent mock, your 558 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: first two are literally the last two picks of round two, 559 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: and you cannot have two different players going back to back. Right, 560 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: you have Mr Traits Johnny Woods, then you have Mr 561 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: Production Tredy Big Ride, then you have Great Dulcitch, the 562 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: very long tight end from U. C. L A going 563 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: to the Giants in round three, and then you kind 564 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: of see more of these guys coming off the board here. 565 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: So how do you see this tight end group? Do 566 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: you think there's a chance you might not see any 567 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: in these two rounds of this draft, and can you 568 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: find some value in the round three beginning around four. Yeah, 569 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: for sure. I think I was looking at this yesterday 570 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: and uh, I think it's a possibility one of these 571 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: guys AND's up in the top fifty. Okay, So whether 572 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: it's Trey mcgride, if the Chiefs love him, Greg dulcinch 573 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: or McBride going to the Vikings for example, who desperately 574 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: need a tight end, that's very possible. But I don't 575 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: know that any Like Gilanni Woods is a great example 576 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: of a guy was super athletic. Um, you know he's 577 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: gonna stretch the seams in Virginia. He was forgotten about it. 578 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State goes to Virginia and that it's a lot 579 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: of fun to watch. I don't know if he can 580 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: turn a ninety degree angle, but maybe it doesn't matter 581 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: because he just runs down the seam and he just 582 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: does a crosser where he just kind of takes his 583 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: time to make that move, right, I mean, like six 584 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: seven guy in the red zone. You gotta you gotta 585 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, I don't understand how did he want 586 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: a good three cone. I watched his tape, I'm like, 587 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: where did that three cone come from? I don't get it. 588 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: He struggled even at the combine, running right, running routes. Okay, 589 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: but if you think about it, the three cone, that's 590 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: why it's not perfect um. For those who don't know, 591 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of an L shape drill where you're running 592 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: around cones and you're going in a straight line. Then 593 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: you're kind of getting around a cone, then you're going 594 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: in a straight line. Then that one turn you have 595 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: to go all the way around a cone and then 596 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: go on a straight line. So there's a lot of 597 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: straight line there, even though it's used as a change 598 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: of directions. So it's not necessarily a one to apples 599 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: to apples um in terms of running all the routes 600 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: that you would typically want a wide receiver to run. 601 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: But again for him, uh, it's not always pretty. But 602 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: like that sort of guy, I can't imagine him getting 603 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: out of the mid mid third round. And then later 604 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: in the draft you've got all kinds of guys who 605 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: are going to contribute. Kay Dotton from Washington, who would 606 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: have been like a top sixty pick probably if not 607 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: for a year where he had no quarterback, he got 608 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: COVID miss time, then he was injured. He's gonna be 609 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: a really good UM third or fourth round pick. Jake 610 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 1: Ferguson outo Wisconsin, Jeremy Ruckert out of Ohio. States so 611 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: many guys in that third or fourth rown area this 612 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: year that teams are gonna be able to pick up, 613 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: which is one reason they don't necessarily have to use 614 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: a top fifty pick to get them, because they know 615 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: they can hit that a little bit later in the 616 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: draft a couple more positions. I want to touch with 617 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: you here, Chad Am I wrong to think rounds two 618 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: and three is kind of a graveyard for cornerbacks this year. 619 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: I just don't see a lot of guys I love 620 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: in that area, especially if you get those four or 621 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: five that usually go in there. You know, if Kayer 622 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: Ellen gets meet up, if Booth gets moved up, and McDuffie, 623 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: you're gone. I just don't see much value in the 624 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: second and third rounds at cornerbacks here. Well, I think 625 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: a guy like Kyler Gordon from Washington, I think he's yeah, 626 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon from Washington. I think um, another guy will 627 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: fall out of the first round like Kyer Ellen, for example, 628 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: from Florida. Typically there's one SEC cornerback that doesn't go 629 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: as high as everybody think. That could be him, Roger McCreary. 630 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: If he doesn't go in the first round because of 631 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: his length, then he's gonna be a steal for somebody 632 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: in the second round. He's a really fine player. He's 633 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: just not the longest player of all time in terms 634 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: of him. Tarik Woolin from Texas San Antonio is gonna 635 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: be a late second, early third round guy. Not the 636 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: greatest tape, but a lot of physical traits that you 637 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: can work with, much like uh it's Kello Whiellerspoon coming 638 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: out of u uh Colorado, I think a couple of 639 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: years ago, right with the forty Niners. Uh So there's 640 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: some guys Trerek Castro Fields from Penn Stay. Actually it's 641 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: kind of an underrated player in terms of a guy 642 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: that you just want to go out there and play 643 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: man coverage. He can play in the slot, super athletic guy. Um, 644 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if I trust him in 645 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: his own really too much, but I think if he's 646 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: he's a third guy, and I think so a third 647 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: round pick for him just going out and uh, you know, covering, 648 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: just staying with a guy all over the field. He 649 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: can do that. Cam Taylor Britt's another guy from Nebraska 650 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: who could play corner or safety depending on the system. 651 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: He could be like a Seattle type corner. Let's trying 652 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: to take a guy out on the outside. So I 653 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: think there's some value in there, but it's I wouldn't 654 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: say it's low did with talent. No, all right, what 655 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: position I do think is loaded in talent. On day 656 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,239 Speaker 1: two chat is linebacker. Um, she had MoMA Christian Harris, Uh, 657 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: the kid from Oklahoma. You know, the eighteen thousand Georgia 658 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: linebackers got to cume it out. I just and Troy Anderson. 659 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 1: But I do think it's also a deal where you're 660 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: gonna have to fit what a team wants. Right, Do 661 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: you want the bigger guy, do you want the faster guy? 662 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: Is he Mike? Is he? Is he A three four? 663 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: Is he Sam a Will? Can you just kind of 664 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: talk about that group and how there's really whatever your 665 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: team may want, there's gonna be someone to kind of 666 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: choose from in that group. That's right, And I think 667 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: like the Patriots Leo Chanel from Wisconsin. Super athletic guy, 668 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: can do a little bit of everything. Won't be like 669 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: maybe a top fifty pick, but you're just gonna be 670 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: a really solid pro for a long time and a 671 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: much better athlete than than people gave him credit for. 672 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: The guys that you talked about. Chad MoMA from Wyoming, Um, 673 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, fantastic again, another do it all kind of guy, 674 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: just chases the ball all over the field, works well 675 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: in coverage. Brian s Samoa from from Oklahoma. Not the 676 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: biggest guy, so he may not end up going like 677 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: second round, but maybe third or fourth round. But again, 678 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: just a guy that gets after the football and he's 679 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: got game speed. Nicobe Dean from Georgia is a guy 680 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: that may not even go in the first round because 681 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: he does not gonna maybe test that great. He's been 682 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: dealing with an injury, didn't look that fluid in his drills. 683 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: Sometimes the pro day didn't work out. Blah blah blah 684 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. He's just gonna be one of these 685 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: second round smaller linebackers, just gonna have a great career. 686 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: Like you know, Nick Bolton's perk example went to the 687 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: Chiefs in the late second round last year. Fantastic player 688 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: at Missouri. He's five eleven, you know, and so we're 689 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: not gonna take him early. Well, that doesn't always, that's 690 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: not always very smart. UM. So I think there's a 691 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: bunch of different guys that can fill a whole bunch 692 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: of different roles. Troy Anderson, as you mentioned from mont 693 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: Tennis State heat, he may be a better player on 694 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: offense than he knows on defense. I'll be I'll be 695 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: really surprised. I won't be surprised if somebody tries him 696 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: at tight end. I really won't. Um. As a line backer, 697 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: he's a good chase guy. I don't know if he's 698 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: the most physical linebacker I've ever seen. So, I think 699 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: he had some that tape in the National Championship game. 700 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: That first half wasn't very good. So if you if 701 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: you watch him, he could And he was a former 702 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: quarterback and he did all that stuff at Montana State, 703 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: So it wouldn't shock me if he got moved over 704 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: to the offensive side of the ball. Yeah for me. 705 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: He he's a space coverage linebacker. He doesn't attack the 706 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: line low enough attack blocks. I'm with you on that chat, uh. 707 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: Running backs after Hall and the Michigan State kid. Where 708 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: do you think value starts meeting what's going to be 709 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: available here? I think one more. I think James Cook 710 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: from Georgia's got a chance to go late to just 711 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: because teams could use a guy like that. Kansas City 712 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: they signed Ronald Jones, so maybe Tampa Bay, I mean, 713 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: Geo Bernard's okay in that role, but I think they 714 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: might get younger so they could look at him. Buffalo 715 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: could use a guy like that at the running back spot. 716 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: So I think James Cook's probably the next best guy. 717 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: And then that it's a position where teams can really 718 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: wait this year, and so it wouldn't surprise me if 719 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: if it was a while before another one was taken. 720 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: Pierre Strong from South Dakota State, Zemer White from Georgia. 721 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: Depending on the type of back you want, and again 722 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: that's that's the same thing with a lot of other positions, 723 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: like if you want a bull, you take Za Mirror 724 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: White from Georgia because he's a bull. If you want 725 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: to guy, if you want more of an outside presence, 726 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: you take a Pierre Strong. You know, I mean, just 727 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: depending on what you want at that position, and you're 728 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: gonna go into the fifth round. They're gonna be guys 729 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: picked in the fifth round that you could honestly see 730 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: late third, early first, early fourth. I mean at the 731 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: running back spot. So a lot of value there in 732 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: the middle of the draft. All right, Chad, let's close 733 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: with this in and go for full circle. Give me 734 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: your most realistic where you think those top four picks 735 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: in the draft are gonna go, And what's gonna be 736 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: staring the Giants in the face head at five and 737 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: seven and what they might walk away with. Yeah, I 738 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: think I think you're gonna have Adan Hudgison uh and 739 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: Travan Hawker. And I think one of the the offensive 740 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: tackles will go early, so it's at Kawanu or Neil 741 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: Um probably one of those two. And I still think 742 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: one of those quarterbacks are going to be picked in 743 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: the top four. So those are your top four guys. 744 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: So that means you're looking at one of the offensive tackles, 745 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: either Neil or Kuanu for the Giants. At five, you've 746 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: got a mod Gardner the cornerback would be a good 747 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: pick for him Um, So I think those would be 748 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: the main the main two guys. Kyle Hamilton's I would 749 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: have put to the Giants. I'm not sure. I'm torn 750 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: between whether the athleticism is actually gonna like the poor 751 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: fourth time is gonna hurt him because he's a really 752 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: good player and Jamal Adams didn't test that differently when 753 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: he came out, So I think there's a chance that 754 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: a team like the Giants could look at him at 755 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: seven as well as him dropping a little bit. So 756 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: he's kind of those one of those weird evaluations I'm 757 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: not sure what to do with, but I think those 758 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: are the guys that they would be looking at if 759 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: they stay at five and seven. And and you think 760 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: Thibo could be in in in in the mix stages, right, Yeah, 761 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely, he's He's absolutely in that range. You know, 762 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: if he doesn't go in one of those top four spots, 763 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that he will, um, but because he 764 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me like a Josh Allen somebody like 765 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: that who went seventh, So you know, if he went seven, 766 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me in this draft. Yeah, this is fantastic. 767 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: I love chopping up with you. Tell the folks where 768 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: they can find you, your work and everything that you're doing. 769 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: Just go to NFL dot com. We've got all kinds 770 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: of great guys doing great work there. I've got a 771 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: four round mock. I'll have a seven round mock coming 772 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: out next week, next Friday, and uh some other articles. 773 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: I have a top two players ideal players for each team, 774 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: and uh, I'll have other stuff coming out. I'll do 775 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: the night draft grades, which everybody will be hate, and 776 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: that's fine. Uh that comes out immediately after the draft. 777 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: Like John, I'm actually that's all I do during the 778 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: draft is type those grades, and then as soon as 779 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: the draft is over, I handed in. That's I don't. 780 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get time to think about it, 781 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, as much other than overnight or whatever. I 782 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: can think about a little bit. But anyway, so yeah, 783 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: those snap grades will come out um each day after 784 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: the draft. Day one handed it immediately, Day two handed 785 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: in immediately, so you know, take them forth. They're worth. 786 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: But that's the stuff I'll be working on the next 787 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I said at the start that this 788 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: man enjoys pain, and those snap grades I can only 789 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: imagine no one's ever happy with them. Generally speaking, I 790 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: would think, so, yeah, you know, even even your dream 791 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: job have nightmares sometimes, right, So it's a it's all, 792 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: it's all good. And and Chad, I think we might 793 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: be seeing you pop on on an NFL network a 794 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: little bit next couple of weeks too, right, Uh, who knows. 795 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: I will see what happens. But we have a lot 796 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: of good honestly, you know, we have a lot of 797 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,479 Speaker 1: good people that do all that stuff. So I'm good 798 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: just hanging in the background. I'm fine with that, uh, 799 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: and just putting in my stuff and doing what I 800 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: can so. But if they want me to come on, 801 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm happy to do that. To team player John team player. 802 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: He is a worker b Chad Rider. Check him out 803 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: NFL dot com. Thank you for joining us from the 804 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: Giants Little Podcast. Everybody, stay tuned as you continue to 805 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: cover the NFL Draft, just over a week away on 806 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: giants dot Com and all of our digital platforms.