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Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeartRadio. And today I'm

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Speaker 1: really excited because we're going to be talking about dinosaurs

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Speaker 1: a little bit, dinosaurs, Dina Sarles, and palegontology because, as

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, it is the it's nineteen ninety three, so

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Speaker 1: it'd be the thirtieth anniversary of Jurassic Park, which I

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Speaker 1: loved as a kid, Which is funny because you went

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Speaker 1: on the Daily Zeitgeist and talked about it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because it's one of the host's favorite movie as well.

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Speaker 2: But he gets real serious. Yeah, that's what we discovered.

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Speaker 2: I really liked the movie too. I still have the

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Speaker 2: story about the fact that, yes, I played first chair

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Speaker 2: Trumbon to this in the band and had an amazing solo.

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Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, I we played it in Bantu. I did

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Speaker 1: you want after me on that one? That's all right?

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Speaker 2: Trombone it gets it, does it? Yeah? I mean if

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Speaker 2: you listen, like between like all the horns, you played

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Speaker 2: the horns though, right? What did you play? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Clarinet mainly, but I did. I did play some horns,

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Speaker 1: but mostly clarinet. Yeah, okay, that's brief, so yeah, essentially yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a beautiful song. Oh, beautiful score.

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Speaker 2: It's very memorable. I think everyone played it. I think

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Speaker 1: I think so so. I did love that movie. I

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Speaker 1: getting in trouble is that I snuck in to see

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Speaker 2: Four How did you think theater?

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Speaker 1: By your it was walkable? So walkable?

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Speaker 2: Did you run away? Many questions?

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Speaker 1: What it was? This is you know? No, I just watched.

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Speaker 2: Down stream the theater by yourself.

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Speaker 1: Nobody. Well, that was the issue I got in Troublesome.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you snuck away.

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Speaker 1: I snuck away. Wow. I had to fess up when

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Speaker 1: I was so scared and like, what did you dream about?

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Speaker 2: Who are you into this movie? I am so how

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Speaker 2: did you have money? There are so many questions, Oh

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Speaker 2: Like when you told me you were snuck into a movie,

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Speaker 1: Wow. But that was also when movie tickets cost like

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Speaker 2: So, I mean I was a teenager in this point,

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Speaker 2: like Jurassic Park was new, that's when we played the music.

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Speaker 2: So when you were saying you played it in the band,

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Speaker 2: And then you said that, and I was like, wait what.

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Speaker 1: The band conductor he had a son who was younger

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Speaker 1: No I don't. I wasn't that good of a liar

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it scared me, but I loved it like I

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Speaker 1: saying he's seeing that with his daughter too. Like what

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Speaker 2: Okay, we watched too many movies. Yeah, So by five

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