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Speaker 1: Today, I'm honored to welcome America First Minnesota twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six senatorial candidate Royce White on the David Rutherford Show. Now,

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Speaker 1: let me start by reading this to you, because this

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Speaker 1: is what you have to understand. This is what I

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Speaker 1: believe encapsulate what the future and the modern evolution of

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Speaker 1: the America First Movement stands for and comes from in

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Speaker 1: terms of a mission statement and an idea. So this

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Speaker 1: is what Royce writes on his website. Regardless of our

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Speaker 1: individual backgrounds or beliefs, our nation is being held hostage

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Speaker 1: by corrupt individuals who aim to manipulate the truth, exploit

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Speaker 1: our children, subjugate us through crisis and pharmaceuticals, and sow

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Speaker 1: discord to keep us divided. These self serving actors continue

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Speaker 1: to betray the American people, waging wars that we are

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Speaker 1: forced to finance. Politicians like Tina Smith, who take orders

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Speaker 1: from these corrupt powers, must be removed from positions of influence.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, I'm privileged to welcome mister Royce White

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Speaker 1: to the show. Thank you Royce for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you sir, and it's an honor as well. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for your service. I appreciate, appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. Before we get into, like I think, to

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Speaker 1: deconstruct the political environment that you're being forced to operate in,

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Speaker 1: which is rapidly evolving and in a way that I've

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Speaker 1: never seen before. And since I first started paying attention

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Speaker 1: to politics when I was a little boy with my dad.

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Speaker 1: My dad was a big Reagan guy. It shifted him

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Speaker 1: from the Democratic Party over you know, grew up went

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Speaker 1: But this shift took place, and I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: we get into that, I would love to start with

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Speaker 1: you to describe what you mean by living with sacred

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Speaker 1: honor and what is that and how you came up

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Speaker 1: with that concept.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, to me, sacred honor is your individual

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Speaker 2: code of ethics, your individual standard for living as an individual,

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Speaker 2: you know, sort of within yourself, your own constitution. But

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Speaker 2: then how it relates to the way you operate or

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Speaker 2: And you know, there is an honor system that I

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Speaker 2: think is a universal language. We see it a lot

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Speaker 2: and depicted in our films, despite them having become ultra woke.

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Speaker 2: We see them depicted in in television. We see them

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Speaker 2: depicted in our stories, whether they be novels or fiction.

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Speaker 2: We see them depicted in all of the archetypes of

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Speaker 2: heroes that we revere throughout human history. And there's an

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Speaker 2: honor and mostly that honor is reflective of the Christ narrative.

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Speaker 2: Right where Jesus Christ makes him much different than the

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Speaker 2: other religious figures, but not so different than the other

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Speaker 2: archetypical heroes. Is that self sacrifice and sacrifice of one's

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Speaker 2: enrichment is for the betterment of something greater than themselves.

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Speaker 2: And the Christ's narrative is for the greater of all humanity.

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Speaker 2: But even for an individual, it's like, do you have

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Speaker 2: a code of honor? Do you have a code of ethic?

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Speaker 2: Do you have a constitution that you operate by independent

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Speaker 2: I think that's what it's. It probably means the easiest

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Speaker 2: sacred honor, and you'll be a person for hire, or

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Speaker 1: You know, that's something that I've had to battle within

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Speaker 1: myself over the course of my life and my time. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, you serve, and you serve during the GWYTT,

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Speaker 1: I don't demean my service with the guys I served with,

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Speaker 1: because that was the sacred honor, that sacrificial commitment to

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Speaker 1: one another. But the sacred honor of the commitment to

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Speaker 1: really it flipped me. It started changing me in particularly

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Speaker 1: the Afghan withdrawal. I mean to invest that much time, effort,

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Speaker 1: Is It's like what is that sacred honor? But one

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Speaker 2: And I apologize for that, sir, and every American citizen

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Speaker 2: much better way. Because again, as far as sacred honor goes,

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Speaker 2: look besides your Dan Crenshaw's who kind of shill for

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they probably feel different and struggle with that.

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Speaker 2: in some respects. But I never than personally accountable. It's

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Speaker 2: think Bannon said it best, and I don't think he

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Speaker 2: uh international Banking Ponzi scheme, international banking system. And that's

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Speaker 2: not a you know, that's that's not a dig on

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Speaker 2: like me, in basketball, for example, you come up, you

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Speaker 2: were taught a game, You're taught all of the characteristics

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Speaker 2: some sense that that's imbued through a community. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: And then you get to the highest level of the deal,

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Speaker 2: the NBA, and you realize it's much more commercial than

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Speaker 2: it is about the purity of the sport and the

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Speaker 2: And so that's that's a tough thing for any man

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Speaker 2: And I'm very gracious towards our veterans and the people

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Speaker 3: I don't hold them responsible.

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Speaker 2: Our politicians send our men and women to war, and

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Speaker 1: So one hundred percent, that's well put. What really triggered

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Speaker 1: honor behind you Your thoughts is. I watched you on

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Speaker 1: philosophical debate with one of his co hosts who kept

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Speaker 1: and that's an interesting question. And I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: to interview Dan in his efforts. And you know, the

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Speaker 1: not the guy that I've see engaged with many of

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Speaker 1: about like that's that discussion he was pressing you that

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Speaker 1: done what they told you to? Do, and then that

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Speaker 1: way you would have been able to have the leverage

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Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, I think he was mistaken, you know,

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Speaker 2: just from his perspective, you know, from a more strategic standpoint,

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Speaker 2: leverage is an action word. It's a word that you

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Speaker 2: And you know, to think that you could sell your

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Speaker 2: grave mistake. It's one that people often make in Washington,

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Speaker 2: that the steady hands. A pair of steady hands is

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Speaker 2: And there are a lot of steady hands in Washington,

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Speaker 1: By the way, I just I'm sorry to cut you

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Speaker 1: is there is a continuity the times that I've worked

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Speaker 1: the what is it the sense of commoditization that comes

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Speaker 1: the profound impact of a twenty year you know, global

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Speaker 1: war on Tara and the impacts in particular in my community.

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Speaker 1: So it really was impressive that you took that fight

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Speaker 2: And you think the NBA is I always used to

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Speaker 2: the problems, all of the issues of humanity, the human

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Speaker 2: condition so you know, the NBA again, for example, this

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Speaker 2: you could say, oh, well, what does mental health matter.

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Speaker 3: You're making millions of dollars. That's not the point.

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Speaker 2: The point is that mental health is a social issue

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Speaker 2: it's being it's being intentionally measured, meaning they know. For again,

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Speaker 2: but the conservatives that come through them as well, was

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Speaker 2: the post World War two Democrat liberal order. If your conservatives,

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Speaker 2: if your mainstream conservative thought leaders are commissioned or their

436
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Speaker 2: goal is to conserve the Democrat liberal order, it's kind

437
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Speaker 2: of saying the quiet part out loud already, right, And

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Speaker 2: that you know, and you look at some of these

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Speaker 2: early conservatives like Barry Goldwater, who were shunned right out

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Speaker 2: of the gate. I mean, you know, the more the

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Speaker 2: more genuine America first sort of nationalists, populist Christian Conservatives

442
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Speaker 2: were shunned right out of the gate, replaced by people

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Speaker 2: who were more favorable for the status quo, the new

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Speaker 2: status quo. So then you get Kissinger, I mean, and

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Speaker 2: you get Nixon and Kissinger right, I mean again right

446
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Speaker 2: out of the gate, And then you get Reagan, right,

447
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Speaker 2: And then you get the Bushes in this entire neo

448
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Speaker 2: conservative movement who were intellectually Trotskyites, right, I mean Bill,

449
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Speaker 2: Bill Crystal's father. I don't think people understand the lineage here.

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Speaker 2: Bill Krystal's father, Irving Crystal, was a publicly admitted trotsky I,

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Speaker 2: and and trotsky was, you know, a Communist, no other

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Speaker 2: way to put it. And and you know, after Lennon

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Speaker 2: and and Stalin took took power there in Russia, they

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Speaker 2: kicked the Trotskyites out, because that's how communists usually do

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Speaker 2: when there's a power grab. They tend to knife each

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Speaker 2: other in the back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And trotsky ends up in Mexico and then they end

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Speaker 2: up being in the early inception of the neo conservative

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Speaker 2: wing of the Republican Party. Uh So, you know, in

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Speaker 2: that sense, the conservative movement has always had one hand

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Speaker 2: or one foot on both sides of the fence.

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Speaker 3: Uh. And and that's changing now.

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Speaker 2: I mean President Trump was the inception of Republican voters

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Speaker 2: and Christians and patriots and what has now become the

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Speaker 2: MAGA coalition taking a strong look at their own side

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Speaker 2: of the aisle and going, wait a minute, why why

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Speaker 2: is it that over the last thirty to forty years

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Speaker 2: the Conservatives have had the House and the Senate just

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Speaker 2: as many times as the Democrats, yet still we get

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Speaker 2: the same results.

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Speaker 3: We're not buying that narrative.

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Speaker 2: If this isn't just some some political football or or

474
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Speaker 2: insider baseball in DC. There's something going on here known

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Speaker 2: as the uniparty. And yeah, I think the Conservative movement

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Speaker 2: now is going through a hard you know, a hard restructuring,

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Speaker 2: and there's a there's a knife fight. It's bloody and

478
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Speaker 2: rightfully so you know, I I my might my fear,

479
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Speaker 2: if I'm being honest, is that Charlie Kirk's assassination, President

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Speaker 2: Trump's tendency to try and save what's left of legacy

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Speaker 2: of legacy and legacy institution, and Israel's influence for our

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Speaker 2: politicians and the media, and the Christian evangelical wing of

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Speaker 2: the Conservative movement may in fact knock America off track here.

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Speaker 3: I hope not, God forbid.

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Speaker 2: I hope that the MAGA movement and the America First

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Speaker 2: movement prevail. But I just see such And with the

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Speaker 2: young people, it's, you know, the Poles speak for themselves.

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Speaker 2: The young people are very open to reimagine in our

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Speaker 2: foreign policy the way that it should be right for

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Speaker 2: an America First priority. But the question is how involved

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Speaker 2: our young people in the political process, especially on our

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Speaker 2: side of the aisle.

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Speaker 3: We'll see, that's time will tell.

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Speaker 2: We won't know that until twenty twenty six and twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty eight. But when I go to the Republican Party events,

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Speaker 2: whether they be BPOU meetings or conventions or Cantation district conventions,

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Speaker 2: very very boomer heavy, very few young people, very few

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Speaker 2: people under fifty, let alone under thirty. So the America

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Speaker 2: First wing of fifteen to thirty year olds may take

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Speaker 2: them a while, unless they're led, unless they're organized properly,

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Speaker 2: may take them a while to have that immediate influence

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Speaker 2: on the political process. And what is the conservative movement

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Speaker 2: going forward? Well, I found it fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I went back and I found a little speech that

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Speaker 1: you gave on nine twenty seven, twenty four, and you

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Speaker 1: made a comment about being from the next generation and

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Speaker 1: that people need to really focus on offering the opportunity

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Speaker 1: for cordial exchange. And then you went on to say,

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Speaker 1: because there is a high degree of probability that this

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Speaker 1: upcoming generation who is becoming disenfranchised on both sides see

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Speaker 1: it on the left and the right for a lack

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Speaker 1: of uh, maybe the attainable American dream or whatever, that

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Speaker 1: that's become right, have you say that that generation is

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Speaker 1: going to be a lot more predisposed for a real battle.

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Speaker 1: And and I thought, if you could expand on what

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Speaker 1: you mean by that, why why do you believe that

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Speaker 1: that traditional and goes back to I think what you

518
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Speaker 1: are insinuating with the uniparty is like the Conservative movement.

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Speaker 1: Although we go in power, we never seem to bring

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Speaker 1: to fruition the promises over me on the campaign trail. Right,

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Speaker 1: We're not like the big beautiful Bill tells us they're

522
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Speaker 1: gonna cut spuddy spending, Doge comes in and all this,

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Speaker 1: and yet we're still sitting here going, well, none of

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Speaker 1: this stuff has been enacted, none of this stuff, and

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Speaker 1: so that's that's generating hostilities.

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Speaker 2: I think, well, yeah, the younger generation is always much

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Speaker 2: less amenable to the status quo. And and you know,

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Speaker 2: the danger of that, I guess, is that all revolutions

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Speaker 2: aren't made equal and righteous. It's it's completely possible that

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Speaker 2: this is the heresy of the left. They think that

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Speaker 2: all revolutions are made equal and righteous, that if a

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Speaker 2: revolution by its own standards is automatically a net positive,

533
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Speaker 2: which is just crazy, naive and somewhat sinister, manipulative way

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Speaker 2: to think about human history or the human condition. People

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Speaker 2: are naturally wicked, or they tend to be wicked, or

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Speaker 2: they're they're corruptible. But so it's no different in the

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Speaker 2: conservative movement, Like there's a younger, more frustrated, angry wing

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Speaker 2: of the of the conservative movement or the right wing

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Speaker 2: that isn't going to play nice when when they finally

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Speaker 2: say enough is enough and they decide to run for office,

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Speaker 2: and they will win, just like I was able to

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Speaker 2: to make a huge dint here in Minnesota with no

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Speaker 2: backing from the establishment, no major donors or anything of

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Speaker 2: the sort, because the truth has equal you know, equal

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Speaker 2: power in some sense to the money. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: they're not gonna they're not gonna go along with this,

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Speaker 2: with this scam.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And you know again to talk about the scam is

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Speaker 2: just like the reason the Conservatives have traditionally not changed

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Speaker 2: anything is because they take one side of the grift.

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Speaker 2: This is what the uniparty is about. You got you know,

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Speaker 2: there's what about five trillion dollars a year, six trillion

554
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Speaker 2: on paper that gets divvied up between about four thousand

555
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Speaker 2: two to four thousand bureaucrats and all of their ancillarities,

556
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Speaker 2: special interests, and lobbies. And you get the left wing

557
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Speaker 2: who's willing to trade their freedom for the security of

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Speaker 2: social status, public approval, and basic needs welfare let's call

559
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Speaker 2: it medicaid. And then the right wing is willing to

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Speaker 2: trade their their freedom for the security of a military

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Speaker 2: industrial complex and a police state. And they are, you know,

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Speaker 2: and that's been you know, the beating heart of the

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Speaker 2: MAGA movement is rooted in our view of foreign policy.

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Speaker 2: So you know, whether you say it's foreign policy or

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Speaker 2: domestic chicken before the eight car before the horse, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you can have that semantical argument, but essentially make America

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Speaker 2: great again. In the America First movement said for too long.

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Speaker 2: We've neglected the American citizen and the value of American citizenship,

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Speaker 2: and just fundamentals like what our country is built upon

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Speaker 2: the ideas, but even structurally, like the manufacturing industry for example.

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Speaker 2: So the conservative movement has been very hesitant to change

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Speaker 2: the fundamentals of one of the pillars in American politics,

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Speaker 2: and that is foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: I love that answer. I think you're spot on on

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Speaker 1: that evaluation, and I think it it it show it

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Speaker 1: prevails in the numbers from you know, your last race

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Speaker 1: against Senator Klobaschar. You know, she came in got a

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Speaker 1: total of three hundred and five thousand votes in her primary.

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Speaker 1: Your primary was much tougher, but you end up victorious

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Speaker 1: with seventy four eight hundred. But then that main race

581
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Speaker 1: came and you know, it says it was decidedly different,

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Speaker 1: that it was a runaway, with her at one point

583
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Speaker 1: seventy nine to two you at one point twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the lower ballot races, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: take that Libertarian party and you take the other and

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Speaker 1: man you combine those, that's one hundred thousand votes that

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Speaker 1: could have gone towards you. If people had understood your

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Speaker 1: message a little bit better. And I think that funding

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Speaker 1: was indicative of it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: She raised twenty one million, four hundred thousand dollars spent

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Speaker 1: twenty three million for a Senate race, which is just astronomical, Right,

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Speaker 1: and you ended with UH race one point five and

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Speaker 1: spent one point four And I and I just think

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Speaker 1: the fact that you were able to chip away at

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Speaker 1: such a uh, a lynchpin of of Democratic and Minnesota politics,

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Speaker 1: proves that this next race that you know you're going

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Speaker 1: up against Tina Smith, I think you've got to feel

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Speaker 1: a momentum building for sure. How will you address this

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Speaker 1: race a little bit differently from the last?

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Speaker 3: Well we start we started earlier. That that's the that's

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Speaker 3: the key. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And you have to give up on the public perception

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Speaker 2: of what a race is supposed to be and how

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Speaker 2: it's supposed to go. We we have this, we have

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Speaker 2: this uh, you know this, this crazy fantasy that we

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Speaker 2: gave over control, corporate control, educational control to our enemies,

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Speaker 2: our liberal enemies, and I do think their enemies genuine

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Speaker 2: enemies of this country and of American citizenship. And then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we're gonna run these candidates out

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Speaker 2: there one time, and they're gonna win with all of

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Speaker 2: the media and all the money against them, and it's

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Speaker 2: kind of it's kind of embarrassing that we even believe

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Speaker 2: that that that's even a part of our strategy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: no good military man would ever come in or we're

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Speaker 2: gonna win this on the first day of battle.

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Speaker 3: No, we're not. That's ridiculous, right, same sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: So I just decided I'm gonna run until we win

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Speaker 2: because I know I'm telling the truth, and I'm young.

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Speaker 2: I'm thirty four. Now, if I was seventy seventy five,

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Speaker 2: then maybe I do something different. But at thirty four,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna run until we win, and we're gonna keep

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Speaker 2: chipping away, and we're gonna let the momentum of history

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Speaker 2: fall in our favor. And it did it with Biden

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Speaker 2: and Kamala Harris and Amy Klobashar, and it will do

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Speaker 2: it again. For Tina's opense, she actually resigned, so I'm

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Speaker 2: not running against her. I'll probably be running against Peggy Flanagan,

628
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Speaker 2: who is our lieutenant governor. You know, protect trans rights

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Speaker 2: with the blade T shirt. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: saw that. Yeah, she's a tim Waltz sick of fan

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Speaker 2: and she was just endorsed by Bernie Sanders, so that's

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Speaker 2: probably gonna be my opponent. And it's interesting, like we

633
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Speaker 2: started earlier this time. In the last race, I didn't

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Speaker 2: really get up and running until after I won the endorsement,

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Speaker 2: which would have been made of that election cycle, and

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Speaker 2: then the general was in November, right, so you got

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Speaker 2: about six months to really run a campaign. This time,

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Speaker 2: I started the day after I lost, and so a

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Speaker 2: lot of what we've been doing in terms of getting

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Speaker 2: out message and putting out content, connecting with the people

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Speaker 2: here in Minnesota, being at all of the inner Republican

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Speaker 2: Party events, and making sure that MAGA still has a

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Speaker 2: presence even though the Minnesota Republican Parties leadership in aestablishment

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Speaker 2: loves them some Nikki.

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Speaker 3: Hayley, Right, So we started earlier.

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Speaker 2: For example, you know, a year prior to the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four election, I wasn't at the state Fair. A

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Speaker 2: year prior to this upcoming twenty twenty six midterm, will

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Speaker 2: have been at the state Fair two times, and over

650
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Speaker 2: one point two million Minnesotans come through that state Fair

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Speaker 2: in eleven days, and we gave away a thousand Jesus

652
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Speaker 2: Is king T shirts at the State Fair, and it

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Speaker 2: was a major success. And we heard from a lot

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Speaker 2: of Christians and even people who are like, hey, I'm

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Speaker 2: not religious, but man I dig that sign because shit

656
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: is getting crazy out here. So, you know, just little

657
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Speaker 2: things like that, and understanding how to navigate the discrepancy

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Speaker 2: in money that's always going to be there as long

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Speaker 2: as the globalists are more aligned with the Democrat and

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Speaker 2: liberal politics.

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Speaker 3: You know, for example, I have.

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Speaker 2: These mobile billboards that cost me probably you know, seven

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Speaker 2: to eight grand, you know, a tenth of what it

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Speaker 2: would cost to occupy a big, a major clear channel

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Speaker 2: billboard on a on an interstate uh. And we drive

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Speaker 2: those things all around the state. We have volunteer drivers

667
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Speaker 2: hop in and they'd spend the day ten hours just

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Speaker 2: driving across the state of Minnesota, driving through the inner city.

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Speaker 2: So we're much more savvy about how we how we

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Speaker 2: run a ground game and a you know, a small

671
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: a small game versus a big machine.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you've seen such a tremendous shift. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously if if, and I don't think anybody on either

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Speaker 1: side of the aisle can deny the massive impact that

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Speaker 1: podcasting is happening right, you know too, I'm that friend

676
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Speaker 1: and Sean Ryan and you know him bringing hit the

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Speaker 1: guys on THEO Vaughan's, you know, and you know Joe

678
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Speaker 1: Rogan with the President. I mean, these are a shift

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Speaker 1: and how the political game is being played. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I've I've listened to that uh uh lieutenant assistant lieutenant

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Speaker 1: governor and you know, you verse her on behind the

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Speaker 1: mic phone. It's not even a challenge. And that's their

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Speaker 1: their thing is they're still looking for the five minute

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Speaker 1: snippet or the two minute.

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Speaker 2: They'll keep her away from me, you know, yeah, and

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Speaker 2: they do it. They kept Amy away from me. If

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Speaker 2: you go back and watch our debate, Oh I did listen, Yeah,

688
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: and they yeah, they waited until the weekend before the

689
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Speaker 2: general election was going to take place, so it's literally

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Speaker 2: days before the election was going to happen. And there's

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Speaker 2: a moment in that debate which is probably my favorite

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Speaker 2: moment of the entire campaign, where I asked her about

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Speaker 2: I was asked about Trump in twenty twenty and whether

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Speaker 2: or not he won, and I said, plainly, you know,

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Speaker 2: it appears that he lost, but I can't be sure.

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Speaker 2: And I can't be sure, because Amy Klobashar was on

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Speaker 2: the record in twenty eighteen saying that the machines can

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Speaker 2: be had.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was your most beautiful moment. For sure.

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Speaker 2: She saw she was she was swallowing heavy, and she

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Speaker 2: was she was fidgeting a little bit. I mean, she

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00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: was visibly uncomfortable. I think she probably forgot that she

703
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Speaker 2: would that the thing was being filmed, because she she

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Speaker 2: she showed so much, uh, discomfort when when talking about

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Speaker 2: election integrity, it's almost it's it's it's almost uh, it's

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Speaker 2: almost unbelievable. I mean the lack of chops that she

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Speaker 2: showed physically as as a city United States senator who

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Speaker 2: wants to uphold the narrative about the integrity of elections.

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Speaker 3: Uh, and and so.

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Speaker 2: But but they waited until just before the election so

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Speaker 2: that that couldn't circulate, right, And and that's what they're

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Speaker 2: going to try.

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Speaker 3: And do with Peggy as well.

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Speaker 2: Because after a transgender ge Hottis goes into a or

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Speaker 2: goes up to a Catholic school and shoots a bunch

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Speaker 2: of kids at a mass is there any way to

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Speaker 2: defend a lieutenant governor who wore a t shirt that

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Speaker 2: literally promotes violence about trans rights. And to Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 2: I mean for BERNIEY Sanders to triple down and endorse her.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he doesn't even know. Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You know, politics is strange where you got a team

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Speaker 2: and they'll send you something and kind of rubber stamping

723
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Speaker 2: and say, hey, listen, you got to do this, and

724
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Speaker 2: you never really get a chance to thoroughly look at it.

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Speaker 2: And I would hope that Bernie, because I think Bernie's

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Speaker 2: a fraud, to be honest, I don't think he's a

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Speaker 2: real economic populist.

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Speaker 3: You look at his relationship.

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00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: Big with the medical industrial complex and he's as much

730
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Speaker 2: a farmer's shield as anybody. But at least for him

731
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Speaker 2: to try and maintain a position of credibility going forward

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Speaker 2: with the mom Donni's and the AOC's and some of

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Speaker 2: the economic populism that does have legs. For the Democrat

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Speaker 2: Party to hit your wagon to a protect trans rights

735
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Speaker 2: with a blade and a place where children were killed

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Speaker 2: at a Catholic school is almost unreal.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's brazen.

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Speaker 1: I think that that this wing of the Democratic Party

739
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: doesn't care about any of it anymore.

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Speaker 3: True.

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Speaker 1: I think the free that they have to attach themselves

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Speaker 1: to radical ideas is what's bringing the younger, more radicalized member.

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Speaker 1: You have three generations of radicalized ki that have come

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Speaker 1: out of those schools, those elite schools all over the place,

745
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Speaker 1: who are drinking this stuff like kool aid and really

746
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Speaker 1: believe that needs to be what an industrial capitalistic revolution, right,

747
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Speaker 1: And they're they're like, we're going to get the dream back,

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Speaker 1: and they're revolutionaries, right. But what I really think, you're

749
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Speaker 1: running for the US Senate. This is not you know,

750
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Speaker 1: a congressional district. This is this is the US Senate.

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Speaker 1: This is the big game. This is there's no other

752
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Speaker 1: big game out there than this, other than deep people.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you say that. I'm glad that you know.

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Speaker 1: That a one hundred percent and what I love.

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Speaker 3: The US Senate is the last bastion of the deep state.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 2: That's why, that's why in order to even run a

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00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: United States Senate it's a race. It's a running joke

759
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Speaker 2: that you need to have already sold out to one

760
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Speaker 2: of these major lobbies that can funnel ten to twenty

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Speaker 2: million dollars to you to be competitive. I mean, even

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Speaker 2: that is an obscenity in an affront to American citizenship

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Speaker 2: in and of itself the standard.

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Speaker 1: I've got a friend that's running for Senate down in Alabama,

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Speaker 1: Jared Hudson, a team guy, and he's coming with that

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Speaker 1: hardcore Christian American first message.

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Speaker 3: Is he getting a lot of money?

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Speaker 1: I don't know yet. I had him on back when

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Speaker 1: he announced. I haven't had him on since. I haven't

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Speaker 1: had a conversation on what he's raised. And he's making

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Speaker 1: the rounds, he's doing the deal. He's talking into the

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Speaker 1: small little, you know, hamlets of of Alabama where those

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Speaker 1: votes matter. And you know, I don't know how he's

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Speaker 1: doing what what, but I do know about his foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: And I think the other aspect of that debate you

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Speaker 1: had with Clobashar was very striking in terms of, you know,

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Speaker 1: her stance on both Ukraine and her stance on Israel

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Speaker 1: and Palestine, and you know, and it's.

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Speaker 3: Like, I think he doesn't get any more Neo Khan

780
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Speaker 3: than that.

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Speaker 2: And so except Lindsay Graham, I mean, and they're almost

782
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Speaker 2: they're almost attached at the hip. If there's a there's

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Speaker 2: a great example of the UNI Party, Amy Klobash and

784
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Speaker 2: Lindsay Graham are it.

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Speaker 1: They're the same person, they just are next their name.

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Speaker 1: What's coming out is I think, you know, you talk

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Speaker 1: initially a little bit about that that that the policy

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Speaker 1: of American security and how critical that is not only

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Speaker 1: to protect jobs or re onshore jobs or uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: mineral rights or chip development or design, but it's also

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Speaker 1: I think what really resonates, and a lot of that

792
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Speaker 1: comes when from how vocal the g WAT guys have

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00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: been on their shows and their reach, influencing young young

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Speaker 1: men who look up to us in some capacity, as

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00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: well as athletes too. You know, there's athletes are being

796
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: more vocal about what they have been forced to be

797
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: conditioned to speak. Now they're talking about, well, that's bullshit

798
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: and this isn't right, and you kind of broke the

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Speaker 1: mold for that over ability to speak your mind. And

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Speaker 1: what one of those core components is, Hey, we need

801
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: a secure border, we need to stop the forever wars,

802
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: and we need to bring that that that ability to

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Speaker 1: recapitulate that middle class, to give that hope back to

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Speaker 1: young men to be able to take care of their faith,

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Speaker 1: take care of their families, and take care of the future.

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00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: Of this great country. And you said at best with

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00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: in another interview that you did. And this was the

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00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: thing that really hit me, man, this is the one

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Speaker 1: aside from that the sacred honor comment. You talked about

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00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: our forefathers, and you talked about that if you give

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00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: up your freedom for security, you will have neither, and

812
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: you deserve neither. Would you just talk about that? Because

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Speaker 1: that thing, man the most for me so have I.

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Speaker 3: Was just like that.

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Speaker 2: May that may be one of the most profound statements

816
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Speaker 2: our founding fathers made because it it you know, it

817
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 2: cautions us about again the dangers of convenience and security

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00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 2: as a whole. And the thing I like about our

819
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: founding fathers is they were tough intellectually, they you know,

820
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: they they didn't spare people's feelings, and they weren't politically correct.

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Speaker 2: I mean, imagine, uh, in the during the inception of

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Speaker 2: a country, you tell the constituents and the citizens, there

823
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Speaker 2: is a scenario where you forfeit you're deserving of your

824
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Speaker 2: birthright because you're such a coward. I fucking love that.

825
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just ever like I love it. You know,

826
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Speaker 2: he says, he says, you know, not only will you

827
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Speaker 2: not have the security because you're probably too dumb to

828
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Speaker 2: realize you gave it away, But the more important pieces

829
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Speaker 2: you don't deserve it. And I guess as an athlete,

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Speaker 2: I kind of it's like, you didn't deserve to win

831
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Speaker 2: the game. You didn't work hard enough, you didn't get

832
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: up early, you didn't put in the extra time, and

833
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: you didn't you weren't emotionally steady enough and tough enough

834
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Speaker 2: during the game to make the plays necessary in order

835
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Speaker 2: to win. You didn't deserve to win. And there is

836
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Speaker 2: a scenario and a thought process that we've lost in

837
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: this country where what we deserve should be put on trial,

838
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 2: what we deserve should be brought into question. Now. I

839
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: think American citizens buy in lars deserve much more than

840
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: we're getting. That's kind of the principle of the America

841
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: First movement. But the question is whether or not we

842
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: demanded go back to your leverage. The comment about leverage.

843
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: If we don't leverage our citizenship, and first of all,

844
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: if we don't recognize that citizenship is real and it's

845
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: important enough to leverage it, then we don't deserve freedom

846
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: and we don't deserve security, and we won't have either.

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Speaker 2: One and quite honestly, we don't have either one right now.

848
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Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of the reality is we think

849
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Speaker 2: we have security, Well, how much security you have when

850
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: a transgender gi Hotis can kill a bunch of kids

851
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: at a Catholic school and then the people who supported

852
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: it and promoted it turn around and tell you they

853
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: should you should vote for them again, and you should

854
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: give them more federal power. It's like, well, okay, I mean,

855
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: you know, how stupid do you think we are? And

856
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: they do think we're stupid and relai yeah, I say

857
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: this about foreign policy.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. We live in a reverse vassal empire.

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Speaker 2: You know, in a vassal state traditionally is where a

860
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Speaker 2: small kingdom pays tribute to a bigger kingdom for protection

861
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Speaker 2: military protection.

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00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: Is I you know, I pay you.

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Speaker 2: A small tribute and if I ever have trouble with

864
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: my neighbors, you'll send aid. We live in a reverse

865
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 2: vassal state where we pay everybody else to protect them.

866
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: And a sound mind would ask why would we pay, Like,

867
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: for example, here in Minneapolis, which has a very dangerous

868
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: downtown area of crime and you know, gun gun violence

869
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: and things like that. Would you ever pay to go

870
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: work at the most dangerous alcohol selling establishment in your

871
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: respective city. And any smart person's gonna say, no, why

872
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: would I go pay to be a bodyguard at the

873
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: most dangerous nightclub in the city. Well you would if

874
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: you were selling drugs out of the back, you would

875
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: be paying to watch over your And that's what we've

876
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: we've typically done. That's that's that's the great sin of

877
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: our military industrial complexes.

878
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: After World War Two, we said we're.

879
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: Going to go around the world and bring peace and uh,

880
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna bring democracy and freedom, uh by peace through strength,

881
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: and we're gonna make all these nations. And they're people

882
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: self determining. They're not determined. They're not self determining. They're dependent.

883
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: You know, we've created a protectorate system and and we

884
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: pay them all and and really, the the ugly part

885
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 2: about the.

886
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 3: Scam is.

887
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: It's all just a justification to steal our own people's

888
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: tax money.

889
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: With that, they're not paying the people making decisions, they're

890
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: not paying. They're getting rich. We're paying. And so our

891
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: way of life are children's way of life, the next

892
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: generation's way of life. That's what's that they're they're paying

893
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: the tab on it.

894
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: Well, we don't, but we don't question it because you know,

895
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: we are taught in schools that there is this, you know,

896
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: there is this, uh this this net work of global

897
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: interlocutors and in load bearing walls that can't be disturbed

898
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: or challenged or us we won't have the natural deterrence

899
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 2: or the institutional structural deterrence to nuclear war or world war.

900
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: And that's been the running narrative. So you're I mean

901
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: reacn said it best, or he said it well, a

902
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: nation that taxes people above thirty three percent can't survive.

903
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: I mean, we're up to fifty sixty percent. And you

904
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: know if a nation taxed its people and it went

905
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: to invest like well, I talk about the national debt,

906
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: you know, border debt, forever wars. You know, there is

907
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: such a thing as good debt. I don't want people

908
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: to be mistaken. You can have good debt in the

909
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: real estate industry, for example. The whole thing works off

910
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: a debt more or less, but the debt has to

911
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: go to investing in things that will actually make you

912
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: more money, that will actually return to profit. We invest

913
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: our money, we go into more debt. We tax our

914
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: people to pay to keep the lights on, that's right,

915
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 2: And we pay to give other people money to keep

916
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: their lights on or really to subvert us. And you know,

917
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: it's about what the debt is used for. We we

918
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: have taxed our people into oblivion, and what do we

919
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: have to show for. Look at Beijing, they're kicking our ass.

920
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: Beijing looks like something out of the you know, out

921
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: of a sci fi movie. And Detroit, Michigan, the former

922
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: manufacturing epicenter of the entire world World War.

923
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 3: Two theater, is a shithole.

924
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: Detroit, Michigan in a in a perfect world, Detroit Michigan

925
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: would look like Shane gri La.

926
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 3: That's right.

927
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: My dad grew up in Detroit and told me about

928
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: what it was like as dad worked for GM his entire,

929
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, fifty year career, and he just he talks

930
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: about it with such reverence and what it was like

931
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: being at the epicenter of American dominance. And and you know,

932
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: they just went back recently to visit. My mom was

933
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: from the Squie and to visit and go back and

934
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: and it's just they're depressed. They're like, how does this

935
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: go from in one generation, go from you know, what

936
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: was considered to be the light on the hill to

937
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: being just uh destitute and broken. And you know, I

938
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: obviously it has to do with the manipulation of the people,

939
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: the offshoring of jobs, the restructuring of of of our

940
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: The system that seemed to be the best that emerged

941
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: out of uh was cut from the savagery of American

942
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: exceptionalism of those early days. But now it's been hijacked,

943
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: like you said, by kind of this globalist influence, same.

944
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: Way, same exact way the conservative movement was hijacked in

945
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 2: its early days. You know this, this post World War

946
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: two democratic liberal order was was hijacked in its earliest days.

947
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: And you could probably make a better argument that the

948
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: conservative movement.

949
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: Uh uh.

950
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: Was wash went through its transformation out of out of

951
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: political necessity. I would say, uh, you could make a

952
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: strong argument that this entire post World War two deal

953
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 2: was putting emotion well before, and it was not of

954
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: it was out of necessity. It wasn't altruistic. It had

955
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: it has a great altruistic narrative to it.

956
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 3: But I don't I don't really, I don't see it

957
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: that way.

958
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: I see it in two ways, either as metaphysical or

959
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: supernatural UH, the influence and wickedness of the results. I

960
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: think it's funny like Jordan Peterson is somebody who I

961
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: respect a great deal, despite his his current or most

962
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: recent UH affiliation with the Daily Wire and how much

963
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: I disagree with them. But I think Jordan Peterson is

964
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: is a person and the type of mind that changed

965
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: the course of human history. And we need more people

966
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: who think on that level, UH to be able to

967
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: wrestle with things. But it's funny like Jordan Peterson, for example,

968
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: you know, talks a lot about Carl Jung right and NIETZSCHEE,

969
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: and some of these people have profound philosophical concepts, like

970
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 2: one from Jung is you can look at the results

971
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: and in further motive. Yeah, yeah, that's a great You know,

972
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan of Yung, but I do

973
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of truth in that that you

974
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: can look at the results of a thing, or a

975
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: group of people or a person and you can go

976
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 2: back and in further motive. Even if that motive wasn't

977
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: wasn't at the top of that person's consciousness, somewhere in

978
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: there there was some wickedness that prevailed and yielded that

979
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 2: result later on down the road. That's a very profound

980
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: intellectual point. He doesn't seem to see that about our

981
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: security guarantees and our foreign policy. That the entire construction

982
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: of the post World War two framework. You can go

983
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: back and look at the results now retrospect. You can

984
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 2: go back and infer that the motive was not altruistic.

985
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: It was not only up and up our relationship with Israel,

986
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: our involvement in the Middle East, the petrol dollar, all

987
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: these things. You can look at the motive the same

988
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: way he says about other things, and look at the

989
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 2: results and in further motive.

990
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: Well, I think the same is true with our alliance

991
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 1: with the Russians. I mean, we knew what was going

992
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: on prior to our alliance with them. World War two,

993
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: you mean, yeah, world War two. Absolutely the thing that

994
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: cracks me up about World War Two.

995
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 3: And I just.

996
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: I did a show the other day about the soul

997
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: of the twenty four year old right, and you know,

998
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: and I reference, you know, the early twentieth century, and

999
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: that the twenty four year old German kid, right, and

1000
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: the twenty four year old Russian kid, And why did

1001
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: they gravitate towards these ideas in full force because they

1002
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: were demoralized, they were disenfranchised, They felt like the system

1003
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: had been manipulated against them, They had lost the sense

1004
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: of their own self, of pride. They were uneducated as

1005
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: to the diabolical nature of or machiavelian nature of what

1006
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: was taking place above them, which is the consistent thing

1007
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: that takes place. So to just wrap this up, because

1008
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much and I appreciate your time

1009
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: with me, I just want to end. It's a deeper question.

1010
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: But you talked about and I think you were talking

1011
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: about it more from a race capacity, but it didn't

1012
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: resonate like that with me. It resonated in a much

1013
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: deeper level where you talked about that our spiritual our

1014
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: spiritual curiosity, our desire to understand faith and what we

1015
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: should leave you back to that sacred honor to questions.

1016
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: It's the heart of our growing intellectualism. Like if we

1017
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: can comprehend the necessity to understand that battle between good

1018
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: and evil, then we can educate ourselves as to what

1019
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: fight we're actually fighting. Can you expand on that just

1020
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: real quick?

1021
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think the comment that you're referring

1022
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: to is when I When I was in the podcast

1023
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: with Professor Penn, who has a good podcast as well

1024
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: Ukrainian Jew. We were talking about fuintest and where I

1025
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: agree with Nick and where I have some disagreement as well.

1026
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: Uh, and and I think i Q is one of them.

1027
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a person who I feel I'm pretty

1028
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: straightforward on all the issues.

1029
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: I don't really have a side.

1030
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm on the side of the American people and the Christians,

1031
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: you know, with no shame, right.

1032
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

1033
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: The Christians and the American people is the side that

1034
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: I'm on. So I don't like to play games. For example,

1035
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: I'm very critical of Israel's influence on our government. I'm

1036
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: very critical of APEX. I think it's the greatest example

1037
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: of the UNI Party. You can look right on their

1038
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: landing page. You'll see Scalise emm Or, Mike Johnson, Hakeim Jeffries,

1039
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: and Katherine Clark who are about is diametrically opposed politically

1040
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: as you could possibly get besides their love of Israel.

1041
00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 3: I guess uh.

1042
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: I'm very critical and I've been called anti Semitic, but

1043
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: I don't like when people criticize the Jews on two basis.

1044
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: One that Israel is not a legitimate nation because they

1045
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: had our help in winning the war for their territory.

1046
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: That's that's a bullshit argument. We could argue that with.

1047
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: Us in France. You could argue that there.

1048
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 3: You go, and that's the great argument, right.

1049
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: And I do think I do think that there is

1050
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: a I do think there's a criticism of Israel's legitimacy

1051
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 2: as a nation that is intended to delegitimize them, so

1052
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: they can delegitimize America on the same grounds. And I'm

1053
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: just not going to deal with that side of things.

1054
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let them run that game on me.

1055
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: All land is conquered land. All land that's of any

1056
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: consequence has has been fought for in the past, and

1057
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: one one group has prevailed over the other. So it

1058
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: doesn't seem accidental to me that a George Soros would

1059
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 2: fund candidates or even a let's say a political philosophy

1060
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: in general that would look to delegitimize all borders in

1061
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: all nations worldwide for his open society. Okay, so don't

1062
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 2: say that Israel is not a legitimation, just say you

1063
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: don't agree with their government's policies.

1064
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: That's right. Okay.

1065
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: And also don't say that they're not the real Jews.

1066
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. Judaism is a voluntary faith, the same way

1067
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: as Christianity, Muslim and many other faiths.

1068
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: Now, I will get that argument, I know, you know.

1069
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's just, it's not it's not

1070
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: it's not useful in my opinion, it muddies the waters. Now,

1071
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: I do understand when people make the argument these these

1072
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: aren't the ethnic Jews that have a claim to that

1073
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: land genetically. Okay, Well, we could talk about the migrations

1074
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: of Jews throughout history and whatnot. Fine, that's okay. Bottom

1075
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: line is if you say you're Jewish, my my definition

1076
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 2: of Jewish is do you believe in God and do

1077
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: you follow the faith of the Jews. If you claim

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Speaker 2: you're a cultural Jew, I'm saying no, no, no, I

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Speaker 2: don't believe in that. In fact, I called the secular

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Speaker 2: and cultural Jews anti Jews. That's just my just like,

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Speaker 2: if you don't believe in if you don't, if you're

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Speaker 2: Jewish and you don't believe in God, you're not Jewish

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Speaker 2: to me. If you're a Christian you don't believe in Christ,

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Speaker 2: you're not Christian. Uh So that those are two things.

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Speaker 2: But I say that because just as a preface for mine.

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Speaker 1: Can I just ask a clarifying question on that, is,

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Speaker 1: is there a reality to uh deep deep cultural root right? Like, Uh,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about uh in northern Iraq? Right, you have

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Speaker 1: the oh I can't believe them drawing a bank on them,

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Speaker 1: but they're not the Kurds. Yeah, the Kurds. It's herds, right,

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Speaker 1: So they're iraqis right, They're Muslim, but they're Kurds, right, And.

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Speaker 3: So also a lot of Jewish Kurds too, That's.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's right, that's right. And so like there there

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Speaker 1: is a deep connection that that can morph out of

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Speaker 1: a cultural identity as well too. That that sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I think.

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Speaker 2: But my point is, my point is with the with

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Speaker 2: the Jews currently, and Professor Penn talks about this as

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Speaker 2: a Ukrainian Jew and you know, Ukraine is kind of

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Speaker 2: one of those hot beds of places that the Jews

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Speaker 2: migrated to after the you know, after after the you know,

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Speaker 2: the the.

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Speaker 3: Roman Jewish War.

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Speaker 2: So uh, it depends on which group of people you're

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Speaker 2: talking about and which set of values and things survive culturally.

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Speaker 2: To me, there's no greater example of contradiction than the

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Speaker 2: Jewish identity being ripped from its its biblical history and

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Speaker 2: then to say, we have to give you this land

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Speaker 2: and we have to support all your policies based on

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Speaker 2: that biblical history. I mean, if you're gonna tell me

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Speaker 2: that there's a holy war and I should support Israel

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Speaker 2: faithfully because of my own Christian faith. But the people

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Speaker 2: in Israel, or let's say the leaders there in Israel

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Speaker 2: don't believe in that faith, or they reject that faith.

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Speaker 2: We have a theological schism here. We have to reconcile this.

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Speaker 2: We can't just I can't fight a war based on

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Speaker 2: faith with people who don't who reject the faith.

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Speaker 3: That that's kind of a weird thing.

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Speaker 2: And so, you know, historians agree the culture you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: sort of that cultural or ethnic Jewish identity only survived

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Speaker 2: the turnal house of history great in large part due

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Speaker 2: to the Hebrew Bible. That the traditions that prevailed from

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Speaker 2: the Hebrew Bible uh proceeded throughout the diaspora and were

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Speaker 2: passed down orally and written. And that's why you have

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Speaker 2: a Jewish identity today. That's why you know, the all

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Speaker 2: the other great empires of the past can't say.

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Speaker 3: The same thing.

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Speaker 2: And you can make an argument for mono theism and

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Speaker 2: our religion and how powerful it is and it's it's

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Speaker 2: human value because the Jews were able to survive the

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Speaker 2: turnal House.

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Speaker 3: Of history with that identity.

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Speaker 2: But then don't be telling me I got I gotta

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Speaker 2: you know, bow at the feet of Jews who don't

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Speaker 2: believe in God. Hold on now, We're not going to

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Speaker 2: play that game, so you know, and again this is

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Speaker 2: all about I was talking about fuint As in this podcast,

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Speaker 2: and that's where he and I. I don't think that

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Speaker 2: quint As even makes that argument. Just some people who

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Speaker 2: have criticism in Israel do make that argument. But fwint

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Speaker 2: has makes an argument often about i Q, and I

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Speaker 2: just don't think IQ is a Christian idea. I think

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Speaker 2: that the Scripture shows us pretty much as plain as

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Speaker 2: as you possibly can get, that the spirit and the

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01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: intellect are inextricably linked. I mean, if you make the

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Speaker 2: if you make the assumption that the Scripture is influenced

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Speaker 2: by the Holy Spirit and God doesn't make mistakes, and

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Speaker 2: that that God's intention for the Scripture is to help

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01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: inform all of his children and believers to be closer

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01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 2: to him. It it it's making a statement that faith

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Speaker 2: itself is in some ways an intellectual development, which also

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Speaker 2: affirms that the that can be developed, it's not static.

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Speaker 2: The people who created the idea of IQ, coming from

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Speaker 2: the British Empire's academic academic world, you know Galt and

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01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: you know Darwin and some of these guys, they had

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Speaker 2: a vested interest in making the argument that IQ is static.

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Speaker 2: And we know what that interest was. That interest was drugs,

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Speaker 2: piracy and slavery. And I'm not one to say that

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Speaker 2: the West is illegitimate because of colonialism, because again, all

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Speaker 2: land has been conquered. But I'm not naive to the

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Speaker 2: fact that some of their academic contributions, some of their

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Speaker 2: intellectual contributions, were rooted in their desire to colonize and

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Speaker 2: subjugate what they considered or what they described as lesser

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Speaker 2: forms of people. But you know, China has a very

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01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 2: profound ancient civilization. South Americans obviously show a profound civilization.

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Speaker 3: They're in Africa.

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Speaker 2: There were nations other than the Egyptians, like the Mali Empire,

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Speaker 2: who had their very very sophisticated society. So I think

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Speaker 2: the intellect can be developed. I think one of the

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Speaker 2: greatest sins when we look back in history, one of

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Speaker 2: the greatest sins will be how people who were powerful

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Speaker 2: strategically and to their own benefit or for their own benefit,

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Speaker 2: tried to bastardize the intelligence and intellect of certain people

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Speaker 2: and they and they block them from intellectual development by

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Speaker 2: economic and military means. You know as well as I.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a reason why South America is a

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Speaker 2: third world place. There's a reason why Africa is a

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Speaker 2: third world place. It's not just because their IQ is low.

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Speaker 2: And I do agree that their IQ is probably low,

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Speaker 2: but I do think it could be developed. We like

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Speaker 2: them stupid. We like and look at the example of America.

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Speaker 2: We like Negro stupid. The American the American UNI Party

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Speaker 2: that has been dominated by white academic intellectuals, loves black

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Speaker 2: communities dumb. They love your average black person to be dumb. Now,

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Speaker 2: a few of us, like myself, not pat myself on

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Speaker 2: the back, you know, but a few of us cracked

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Speaker 2: through the mold or we you know, we're anomalies. We

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Speaker 2: break through that ceiling and we say I'm gonna question

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Speaker 2: the entire thing from the from the outset, from the

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Speaker 2: bottom up, and there are Thomas Soul was one of them, right,

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Speaker 2: And there are plenty of examples of very, very wise

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Speaker 2: and smart African Americans. I don't really call them African

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Speaker 2: Americans black people, but by and large, and this is

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Speaker 2: of our entire education system in general. But you really

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Speaker 2: see it in black communities. For example, in Minnesota. This

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Speaker 2: is this blows people's minds. Minnesota has one of the

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Speaker 2: best public school systems in the country. The black community,

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Speaker 2: the inner cities. Minneapolis public schools are second to worst

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Speaker 2: in the country in reading proficiency. So the the inequality

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Speaker 2: gap of education probably has its single greatest example in

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Speaker 2: the country right here in Minnesota, but it being led

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Speaker 2: by white liberals.

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Speaker 3: And so you see what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way you can look at the

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Speaker 2: education system and the bastardization of the intellect in Black America.

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Speaker 2: And I think this was done strategically. Why it's easy

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Speaker 2: to control people who are stupid. But the same thing

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Speaker 2: is true in Africa. The same thing is true, and

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01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: we go there, we pay warlords, we deal with certain desperates.

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Speaker 2: We were given the Taliban money and we like that

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Speaker 2: they suppressed the intellectual growth of their people makes it

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Speaker 2: easier for us to deal.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's about as profound as it gets right there.

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01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: And it goes back to that the manipulation of the spirit.

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01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: And I think everything that you say sounds makes sense

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01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: to me. I appreciate you giving me the cold, hard truth.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the main reasons why after watching the

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Speaker 1: I saw the post you made the other day where

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Speaker 1: you had the video of Malcolm X on there, and

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Speaker 1: I was just like, I mean, when was the last

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01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: time in my paying attention to politics that a modern

1222
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: Republican senatorial candidate post a post in that capacity talking

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Speaker 1: about the devastation of the spirit through whether it was

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Speaker 1: the dumbing down of a particular group of people, or

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01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 1: was there the manipulation of information? And it just seems

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Speaker 1: like you are breaking the mold of what has been

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Speaker 1: the Union Party has contained, managing both sides, creating expectations,

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Speaker 1: keeping them at the lowest level. Why the the bigger

1229
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: machine just continues to uh uh, I don't know what

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01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: it is. It's almost uh just pummeled the intellectual curiosity

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Speaker 1: of the next generation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's that's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Is is again the development of the spirit and the

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 2: intellect are inextricably linked. And I'm not saying that you

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01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 2: have to be an intellectual giant to have a relationship

1236
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 2: with Christ or I'm not saying that you have to

1237
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: be trained formally in a school or in an academic

1238
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 2: setting to be a good Christian. But what I am

1239
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,440
Speaker 2: saying is that even if you're not trained in school,

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01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: there is a there is a wisdom to righteousness and

1241
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 2: a wisdom to the spirit that that makes you just

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01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 2: as smart as any PhD.

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Speaker 3: And we see that.

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01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 2: But if you if you have the you know, the

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01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: spark of your intellect dampened and suppressed in many many

1246
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 2: cases intentionally, Yeah, you're gonna be You're gonna struggle. You're

1247
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: gonna struggle in life, You're gonna struggle in your relationships,

1248
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 2: and most importantly, you're going to struggle in your own

1249
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 2: internal intellectual growth, which is at the root of of

1250
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 2: being a good Christian. Because what man thinketh he beeth right?

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Speaker 1: Amen, Royce, where can people follow you, support you? And

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01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: what's next for you? Uh?

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01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: Royce White dot us is the Senate website. Please call

1254
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 2: me crazy as the podcast I'm on Real America's Voice

1255
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 2: Saturday mornings. You can find me on all the social

1256
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 2: media platforms. I'm usually starting to fire at fire somewhere

1257
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 2: there on on social media. And uh, you know, next

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01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 2: we're we're about a year out from the twenty twenty

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01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 2: six mid terms. I'm going to continue to campaign and

1260
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 2: speak the truth. We got a lot of fun things

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01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: coming up with the campaign. It's it's deer hunting season

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01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 2: here in Minnesota, so we're doing a big a big

1263
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: buck contest for the campaign and doing some some signed

1264
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 2: Memorabilian T shirts and things like that. So a lot

1265
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 2: of little things like that I do on a daily

1266
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 2: and weekly basis. Besides the podcast. Hopefully you can call

1267
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 2: your boy Sean Ryan and tell him I'd love to

1268
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 2: love to sit with him as well and make the rounds.

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01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 3: It's a I already I've.

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01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: Already reached out to him today.

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01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 3: And I'm a fan of his I'm a fan of

1272
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 3: his podcast. Man.

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01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the few people that are

1274
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: saying the true and dark, scary but but necessary things,

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01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: uh in this political environment. So you know, I'm I'm next.

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01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: We're going to try and you know, beat Goliath, you know,

1277
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 2: and but but I'm I'm a happy warrior. I'm optimistic

1278
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: about it. If we don't win, they got to kill

1279
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 2: me to stop trying. I mean what, it doesn't wound

1280
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 2: me personally. If people want to vote for a transgender

1281
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 2: g hottest, hey, you get the government you deserve, and

1282
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 2: by God we all will.

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01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 3: But I'll keep fighting a man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Royce, God blessed, Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 3: God speak to you.