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Speaker 2: The John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 3: I love him.

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Speaker 1: big job there, Kytufia Cracker.

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Speaker 1: Not a bad Monday. If your name's Justin Katsche, I

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Speaker 5: I always wonder what it's like to wake up on

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Speaker 5: We have got a lot to get into. Look at

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Speaker 5: you today, standing up straight. You got to work out

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Speaker 5: this morning. You're sitting up, sitting up straight. That's good

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Speaker 5: posture this morning, Ken Flow.

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Speaker 1: Thank you man. I've been working on it.

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Speaker 6: Usually I'm usually twisted hunched over, but yeah, I got

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Speaker 6: a workout in I'm ready to tackle the day.

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Speaker 3: Kit.

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Speaker 5: Is that a back centric workout focused on improving your

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Speaker 5: back or you going full body?

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Speaker 1: Like? What do you got going on? Always? Dude, this

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Speaker 1: thing needs maintenance.

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Speaker 6: It's like a car that's falling apart, constantly tweaking the engine,

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Speaker 6: making sure the breaks are good, the tires and everything

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Speaker 6: in between.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: All right, So one of our listeners asked us to

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Speaker 5: do an hour on Justin Geichee, and we could. I

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Speaker 5: went through his whole wins list, and I don't even

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Speaker 5: know where to begin, So I guess I'll begin with

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Speaker 5: Justin Geichee over Dustin Pourier by headkick. It comes at

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Speaker 5: the one minute mark exactly of round two. Not seemingly

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Speaker 5: a weapon, he throws a ton in training nor in

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Speaker 5: sparring or in fights, I guess, but a huge monumental

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Speaker 5: win for Justin Gaichie, and I think he was asked

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Speaker 5: by Joe Rogan after the fact if this was the

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Speaker 5: most satisfying or biggest win of his UFC career, and gosh,

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Speaker 5: you know, the Raphael Phazebe fight was a huge springboard,

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Speaker 5: and we're going to get into all of that, But

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Speaker 5: when you go through the wins list and the body

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Speaker 5: of work, biggest win of Justin Gaichie's career came on

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Speaker 5: one of the biggest states, and we congratulate a great

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Speaker 5: dude and a really great fighter.

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Speaker 6: You're very good at packing in so much information in

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Speaker 6: a short amount of time.

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Speaker 1: There's so much to talk about, dude, you know.

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Speaker 6: I think the finish sums up so much of who

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Speaker 6: Justin Gaichee is right now in July of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 6: because he has evolved so much. You also mentioned the

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Speaker 6: Raphael phaz fight, and I think that was a huge

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Speaker 6: turning point as well, and a big reason why I

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Speaker 6: decided to go with Justin Gaichee in this fight. He

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Speaker 6: always had that killer instinct. In fact, he had too

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Speaker 6: much killer instinct. He had too much savage. He was

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Speaker 6: so much of a marauder where he would charge forward

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Speaker 6: we're seeing a Justin Gaigie that knows how to compose himself.

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Speaker 6: We know that Justin Gaigie is now working on other

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Speaker 6: plans and what he's present to during a fight. He's watching,

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Speaker 6: phenomenal against against a Dustin Porier who has a lot

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Speaker 6: you can do it. And you know, similar as far

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Speaker 6: as the knockout itself, John, you know, it's similar to

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Speaker 6: I guess a winning point in tennis, right, the last point,

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Speaker 6: the last shot you make isn't necessarily the winning shot

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Speaker 6: just feeling the fight and just decided to just throw

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Speaker 6: He got Dustin to cover high and as he was

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Speaker 6: then the follow up hammer shot, of course from Justin

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Speaker 6: Gaichee was the kill shot. But my goodness, just an

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Speaker 5: So sometimes Dustin Poorier can look tight to me, but

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Speaker 5: then he can go out and produce some of his

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Speaker 1: So Justin Geichee talked.

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Speaker 5: To how calm he was, and he was undeniably calm,

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Speaker 5: and I would imagine him highlighting that suggests that there

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Speaker 5: but were there fights in your career later in your

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Speaker 6: Definitely, you know, I think there was a few of them,

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Speaker 6: Justin Gaetche was worrying me a little bit when he

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Speaker 6: To manage that shows an emotional intelligence that is quite

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Speaker 6: And boy does Gateschie have it.

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Speaker 5: And I would suggest Dustin Poier has to certainly not

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Speaker 5: the most entertaining fighter in mixed martial arts, right. Like

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Speaker 5: I said on a UFC telecast, I think one time

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Speaker 5: So, but as the schedule increased, I think he and

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Speaker 5: right now, But you know, you were sort of expecting

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Speaker 1: Can't overstate the value of those fifteen minutes against Rafiel Phaze,

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Speaker 6: I think when you are fighting and you're doing new

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Speaker 6: But to see Justin gatch you really kind of charge

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Speaker 1: Right results because of it.

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Speaker 6: And to do that against an other you know, excellent,

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Speaker 6: only gonna make that much better. You know, it's gonna

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Speaker 6: make Gaichie that much more dangerous, that much more confident,

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Speaker 5: And he may not be quite as calm if he's fighting,

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Speaker 5: say Islam makashe I've just given the matchup. It might

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you, and I don't intend for this to

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Speaker 5: You know, Geigee fought a good five minutes, even though

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Speaker 5: Well, and now for Geechee, he's gonna realize has several

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Speaker 1: Just a huge, huge legacy win for Justin Geechee. It's

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Speaker 6: And my understanding is, you know, Geichee is going to

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Speaker 6: Absolutely deserves every single penny. The dude is must see TV.

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Speaker 6: That that guy is extremely rare in so many different ways.

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Speaker 6: But I did want to talk about Dustin Porrie. I

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Speaker 6: You know, I think he's making great money as well,

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Speaker 1: He is a wealthy, wealthy man.

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Speaker 5: And it is funny because sometimes, you know, they trot

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Speaker 5: Maybe if you pay him five million bucks to show

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Speaker 6: team now last couple fights, I think that's gonna be

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Speaker 6: key for him as he gets closer that the potential

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Speaker 6: Mahashev fight.

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Speaker 5: I know we've had this conversation before, but when you're

435
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Speaker 5: preparing for someone like Islam Makashev. And this is in

436
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Speaker 5: no way to denigrate Makashev striking, because in a kickboxing match,

437
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Speaker 5: who knows he could be competitive against Justin Getchee there.

438
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Speaker 5: But I think coaches have different philosophy sometimes in terms

439
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Speaker 5: of the preparation, like literally spending nine weeks starting in

440
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Speaker 5: bad spots trying to get out versus systematically making it

441
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Speaker 5: a boring fight and not being in those positions, right, Like,

442
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Speaker 5: how do you handle the preparation? And is that even

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Speaker 5: a fair question to me to ask you?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: And I bring it up because a coach actually brought

446
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Speaker 5: it to me back in the day. Two coaches under

447
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Speaker 5: the same banner, different and philosophies when it came to

448
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Speaker 5: preparing for I think Abebn Remago Matt out back in the.

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Speaker 1: Day totally and John, I think it's a great question.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure I have a very precise answer for you,

451
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Speaker 6: because I think it varies fight to fight.

452
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Speaker 1: It varies camp to camp.

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Speaker 6: Now, this is why I think it's very important for

454
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Speaker 6: him to work on this shit now, because what happens

455
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Speaker 6: is you get guys who will grapple a whole camp

456
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Speaker 6: and now they're striking is off or they're so focused

457
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Speaker 6: on what that other guy is doing that they're not

458
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Speaker 6: able to bring out that beautiful striking that Geychi possesses

459
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Speaker 6: or that aggression that Geychi possesses. So I think doing

460
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Speaker 6: that stuff now, getting more comfortable with those positions, I

461
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Speaker 6: think allows you to have a better camp, It allows

462
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Speaker 6: you to have a more complete camp. So again it's

463
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Speaker 6: I think fights. Fights are really one or lost in

464
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Speaker 6: between fights, in between camps. And I think for Gaichee,

465
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Speaker 6: you know, I know this is so important for him.

466
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Speaker 6: Right He's got this phenomenal record and he could retire

467
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Speaker 6: right now and he'd be an absolute legend. But if

468
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Speaker 6: you are, you know, the Justin Gaechee type of mentality

469
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Speaker 6: and mindset, you'll want to be a world champion in

470
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Speaker 6: the UFC. And I think that this is what he

471
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Speaker 6: needs to do to get there.

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Speaker 5: It just feels like his legacy is to get the

473
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Speaker 5: interim lightweight belt, as he did toss it on the

474
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Speaker 5: ground as he did, go win the belt for being

475
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Speaker 5: the baddest motherfucker in the UFC, and then putting a

476
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Speaker 5: capstone on all of it by becoming the unisputed lightweight champion.

477
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Speaker 5: It almost feels like destiny in a lot of respects.

478
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Speaker 5: So real quick as we sort of put a bow

479
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Speaker 5: on Justin Gaichee. Financial success is there, and he built

480
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Speaker 5: this foundation as the most entertaining man in MMA, and

481
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Speaker 5: then this pivot that now is well documented and probably

482
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Speaker 5: overstated in terms of him now you know, becoming this

483
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Speaker 5: completely well rounded fighter that maybe puts entertainment second to

484
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Speaker 5: being the best fighter in the world, Kenny. But he

485
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Speaker 5: hasn't still been involved in a boring round, right, Like

486
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Speaker 5: he's still it's just amazing the footage. And so when

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Speaker 5: you think about him fighting somebody like Islam Makashchev, right,

488
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Speaker 5: and again obviously he's got to get through Charles Olivera,

489
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Speaker 5: which is no picnic as well, Like Charles Olivera is

490
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Speaker 5: going to be a totally different beast, I believe humbly

491
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Speaker 5: for Islam than he was the first time around. Right,

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Speaker 5: But like I don't know, like don't you have like

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Speaker 5: wouldn't it serve Justin well to like run some clock

494
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Speaker 5: against Islam and like not be exciting at all, And

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Speaker 5: like maybe I don't know, I just had written down, like,

496
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Speaker 5: wouldn't it be good for Justin to maybe have the

497
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Speaker 5: most boring round of his career in round one against Islam?

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Speaker 6: Potentially in some ways just stop his takedowns, take away

499
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Speaker 6: some of that confidence anyway from islamiha, chef right, and

500
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Speaker 6: just thwart those takedown atteps and go, you know, have

501
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Speaker 6: it get into Islam's mind potentially that you may have

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Speaker 6: to stand up with me for another twenty minutes, right,

503
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Speaker 6: So I think that's crucial. So yeah, it's gonna be

504
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Speaker 6: really interesting man to see how it all pans out.

505
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Speaker 6: But for Gaichee Man, I get I think John, you

506
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Speaker 6: get a taste of it, of course, being on these

507
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Speaker 6: big pay.

508
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Speaker 1: Per view cards.

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Speaker 6: Feeling that just being in front of the camera and

510
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Speaker 6: feeling that type of energy is something that very few

511
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Speaker 6: people can ever experience. We are so lucky that we

512
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Speaker 6: can call live mixed martial arts fights, right, but to

513
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Speaker 6: compete in front of millions of people all over the

514
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Speaker 6: world that are watching you, to feel that energy when

515
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Speaker 6: you are in the cage facing another human being that

516
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Speaker 6: is trying to destroy you, and it's either destroy or

517
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Speaker 6: be destroyed. Right, Just to get a win, just to

518
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Speaker 6: get a win by decision is like huge, right, But

519
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Speaker 6: to get a knockout to get I have chills. I

520
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 6: don't think I've stopped getting chills that you've been talking about, you.

521
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Speaker 6: But to get that kind of knockout in a main

522
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Speaker 6: event setting in the UFC, when it matters, is unlike

523
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Speaker 6: any feeling in sports. And we've talked about this so

524
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Speaker 6: many times. Listen, football is a great sport. Soccer's awesome

525
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 6: World Cup final, that's all amazing, and perhaps we are

526
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Speaker 6: biased here, but when mma is at its best, dude,

527
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Speaker 6: there's nothing like it. When you're talking about what is

528
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 6: on the line, which is your body and brain, right,

529
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Speaker 6: there is nothing like it. And you just took out

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Speaker 6: that other savage with a knockout with finality where the

531
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Speaker 6: referee doesn't go in he doesn't even need to go

532
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 6: in there, right, and you just put that dude's lights out.

533
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Speaker 1: That's as good as it gets.

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Speaker 6: And to see get you do that against an unbelievable

535
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Speaker 6: fighter in Dustin Pourier, and that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 5: Man with the entire world watching on arguably the biggest

537
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Speaker 5: stage of the year. And then you hit the backflip

538
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Speaker 5: as well. And if you are wondering what was ken

539
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Speaker 5: Flow's moment most like that, we call on the president

540
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 5: of Team Flory and that would be me. So so

541
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Speaker 5: here's how we're going to answer this question essentially. So

542
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Speaker 5: you have seen ninety one, I believe it was, and

543
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Speaker 5: we had MMA live at UFC ninety one. Ken Flow

544
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Speaker 5: was competing against Joe Daddy Stevenson in the co main

545
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 5: event underneath Randy Kotour and Brock Lesner. Do I have

546
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Speaker 5: those details right to this point in time a championship

547
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Speaker 5: title eliminator at one hundred and fifty five pounds, and

548
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 5: unfortunately for Team Flori in this performance would lay the

549
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Speaker 5: foundation for bj Penn to put in the greatest training

550
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 5: camp of his life and prepare like a fucking savage,

551
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 5: so much so that Team Florian was not able to

552
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Speaker 5: realize the title however, many months later, but this night

553
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Speaker 5: Kenny right against Joe Stevenson one of the biggest cards

554
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Speaker 5: in UFC history maybe I don't know, I mean, maybe

555
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Speaker 5: the biggest card in UFC history. Up until that point

556
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 5: in time UFC ninety one, and you know you'd choke

557
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 5: another man out and he's bloodied and battered on a

558
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Speaker 5: huge stage, right, would you say that was probably the

559
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Speaker 5: closest thing you had to what Justin Gagee experience Saturday night.

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Speaker 6: It's definitely one of them, you know, definitely one of them.

561
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Speaker 6: The Takenori Gomi fight was was pretty special. All that

562
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 6: main event. Yeah, having that feeling, man, is unbelievable because

563
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 6: you work so hard towards it. Then you know everybody's

564
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 6: there in the arena, everyone's cheering for you or again

565
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 6: whatever it is, and there's there is there's very few

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Speaker 6: people that can experience that in professional mixed martial arts. Man,

567
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Speaker 6: And I can't even imagine what that Geechee win was like, dude,

568
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 6: just uh, you know, for a guy who's been there

569
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Speaker 6: seeing that, it's it gets the blood going.

570
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Speaker 5: Dude, congratulations to Justin Gaechee. And in retirement I would

571
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Speaker 5: pay him to I would I would pay to watch

572
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 5: I should say him play golf and just stick around

573
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 5: once a week on Netflix or something. So I'm sure

574
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 5: he'll find some good things to do. But uh, man,

575
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 5: the future and mixed martial arts still remains very bright

576
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 5: for the thirty four year old Justin Geechee.

577
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Speaker 1: All right, Alex Patada is thirty six.

578
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Speaker 5: He always likes looks to tell people, hey, man, you know,

579
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Speaker 5: I got to get these title fights right. I'm not

580
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 5: going to be here forever because I'm getting a late

581
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Speaker 5: started man. As he made the most of it. He

582
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Speaker 5: gets past Yam wohovis narrowly by split decision. I have

583
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Speaker 5: no idea how you feel about this fight nor this decision,

584
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Speaker 5: so the floor is yours. What did you think of

585
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Speaker 5: the the co main event and Alex Patata's jaunt up

586
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 5: to two hundred and five pounds?

587
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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, you know it's impressive what Perera has done

588
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 6: in the UFC in such a short amount of time.

589
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Speaker 6: It's not a lot of people can do that, especially

590
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Speaker 6: from a striking background. In my opinion, I think it's

591
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 6: more difficult in a lot of ways. But for Pereira,

592
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Speaker 6: I mean, how do you go from one to eighty five,

593
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 6: go at two zero five against Yon Bohovich and look

594
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Speaker 6: like significantly bigger than him.

595
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Speaker 1: It's and lean still lean. Pereira is a freak.

596
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Speaker 6: He's got a stare that would likely cause a lot

597
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 6: of people to pull a weapon out, and he's just

598
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 6: an incredible force. It was not his best performance, but

599
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Speaker 6: it was still impressive nonetheless, in that he really had

600
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Speaker 6: to battle back both technically physically spiritually after that first

601
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Speaker 6: round where he was really neutered by Bohovich. You know,

602
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Speaker 6: he had him by the back. He wasn't able to finish.

603
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Speaker 6: He survived that. I think that's why he was a

604
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Speaker 6: little bit maybe lost a little bit of that power

605
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Speaker 6: in his punch a little bit in rounds two and three.

606
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Speaker 6: But I think he did made some great adjustments. First

607
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Speaker 6: of all, those leg kicks absolutely brutal. He doesn't need

608
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Speaker 6: many to compromise that lead leg, and boy did he

609
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Speaker 6: do that to Behovic. I also thought it was very

610
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Speaker 6: smart of him to go for that jab. He was

611
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Speaker 6: like jabbing to the sternum, which was really smart because

612
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Speaker 6: it really took away Bohovich's ability to change levels and

613
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Speaker 6: want to even hit takedowns on him. So it bought

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Speaker 6: him some time as well. And I thought he, you know,

615
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Speaker 6: not in the most impressive way, but he did enough

616
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Speaker 6: to win those rounds in my opinion. I know Bohovich

617
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Speaker 6: is very upset about that. Decision, But I Buhovich just

618
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Speaker 6: didn't do enough. You know, Pereira wasn't necessarily throwing knockout

619
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Speaker 6: shots either, but I thought his striking was more effective

620
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Speaker 6: than Bohovich's, which is why I thought he should have

621
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Speaker 6: got the win. And yeah, and you very intelligently during

622
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Speaker 6: the fight pointed out, hey, listen, Boovich took him down,

623
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Speaker 6: but he didn't do anything. And really that, at the

624
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 6: end of the day, is the difference. If he decided

625
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 6: to posture up, land some great ground and pound, I

626
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 6: think that would have certainly helped his cause it was

627
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 6: a close fight, but I thought it was clear for Pereira.

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Speaker 6: And these are the types of wins also that you

629
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Speaker 6: need to get in your career. Sometimes combat isn't pretty, man,

630
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Speaker 6: and you gotta do whatever it takes to get the

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Speaker 6: win and battle back. And I thought that's what Pereira did,

632
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Speaker 6: So a good notch on the belt for him. I

633
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Speaker 6: agree with all of that, and a lot to get

634
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Speaker 6: into on this fight.

635
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Speaker 1: Real quick.

636
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Speaker 5: You use the verb neuter, right, so, which accurately refers

637
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Speaker 5: to a male. So would you have used the verb

638
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Speaker 5: spade if you were talking about female fighters there?

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful.

640
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Speaker 6: I don't think I thought of that in those terms,

641
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Speaker 6: But I don't know.

642
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna think about it. I'm gonna do something.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting because I just had to google why is

644
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Speaker 5: Cody calling me a bigot?

645
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: What? This isn't sexist at all.

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Speaker 6: It kills me, dude right now.

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Speaker 5: I just had to look up on my phone neutered

648
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 5: versus spade to see which one applied to which gender,

649
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 5: and so I was like, oh, well, at least he

650
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: was accurate, right, But as somebody who used to work

651
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 5: as a print journalist, I've used the verb neutered before,

652
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 5: but I never used it thinking of it in conjunction

653
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 5: with a man. I've certainly never used the verb spade before,

654
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 5: nor the fuck would you. So I'm just letting you know,

655
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 5: don't use the verb nod when you're talking about female fighting.

656
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: That's all. This is not big It's true, all right.

657
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 5: So, in terms of the optics of this fight and

658
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 5: the scoring of round three, I do think there's some

659
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 5: important things we can get into the body triangle. Yopohovich

660
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 5: has a good rear naked choke. A lot of talk

661
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 5: on the Ankan Florin podcast. As you listeners know about

662
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 5: people who don't have good offensive jiu jitsu and good

663
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 5: rear naked chokes. But Yompohovich is a Brazilian jiu jitsu

664
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: black belt, good body triangle, knows how to take your back,

665
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 5: good rear naked choke. But he was absolutely exhausted Kenny

666
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 5: after the first five minutes. And this is a guy

667
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 5: who trains very hard, but also a guy who did

668
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 5: acknowledge that he's forty and not thirty five in our

669
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 5: fighter meeting when I asked him about his speed and

670
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 5: certain things, right like if you're clean, as Yombohovich is right,

671
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 5: and I think he got one of those fancy jackets

672
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 5: from Usada, right, like forty is a real number.

673
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: And I don't know what was.

674
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 5: The factor here, Kenny, but I thought the optics hurt

675
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 5: Yombohovich because even in a round three that was a

676
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 5: striking round in which he got some things done, I

677
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 5: thought the optics really hurt him because he was just

678
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 5: visibly exhausted even after he was the guy who was landing.

679
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 6: Accurate, accurate, And again, it could be a lot of things.

680
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 6: Of course, they fought at high altitude. That's always going

681
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 6: to play a factor, and certainly can with anybody, no

682
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 6: matter how good a shape you are in. But I

683
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 6: also think you know the fact that he was in

684
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 6: there with a flat tire, you know that lead leg

685
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 6: was taking an absolute feeding. And also it is very

686
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 6: and it depends on your mentality, right, you could go

687
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 6: out there, take a dude out, take the back and

688
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 6: go awesome, I'm going to do this again. I didn't

689
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 6: get the submission, but I can dominate this guy on

690
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 6: the ground. I know I can do that. Now. This

691
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 6: is gonna give me confidence or you could see it.

692
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 6: Damn it, I had my opportunity. I couldn't submit him there, Crap,

693
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 6: I gotta go through that again.

694
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: You know.

695
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 6: So the type of tricks that your mind plays and

696
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 6: how you have a conversation with yourself during a fight

697
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 6: is a real thing too. So I think that for Yon,

698
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 6: I think there was certainly a lot of frustration there

699
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 6: because he did everything he was supposed to do. I mean,

700
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 6: it doesn't get any better than that as far as

701
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 6: they start against someone like and elect Paeda, right, So

702
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 6: I think that may have played a part as well

703
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 6: as well. You know, what kind of talk was he

704
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 6: having with himself there? But yeah, I think if he

705
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 6: goes back and watches that fight a few more times.

706
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 6: He's gonna look at that and going, yeah, it looked

707
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 6: like I was kind of winging punches. I looked like

708
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 6: I was tired, And those things absolutely matter. I have

709
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 6: an amateur fighter, you know who I talked to about

710
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 6: that as well. He just won, by the way, shout

711
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 6: out to Ben Cash and how important that is. You know,

712
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 6: it's like that, uh, Jalen Turner against Dan Hooker. I

713
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 6: thought that was a factor as well. You know, Dan

714
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 6: Hooker was eating a lot of shots, but he was

715
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 6: acting like they weren't big shots. Jalen Turner was when

716
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 6: he was getting hit, was acting like they were, in

717
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 6: fact big shots. And it's little things like that that

718
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 6: can swing around to your favor or not. And I

719
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 6: think that certainly hurt Yoon Bohovich, but also that that

720
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 6: was a real thing.

721
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: He was absolutely tired in that fight.

722
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 5: And for the record, I do believe Alex Padada one

723
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 5: round three and thereby the fight, even though Yom Bohovich

724
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 5: did get some things done. By the way, let's go

725
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 5: Ben Cash. Hey, Ben Cash, you want the fucking anake

726
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 5: employing podcast logo on your shorts.

727
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: I put that thing on you.

728
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 5: How much that cost Ben Cash? Let's go, Ben Cash,

729
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 5: put that logo on your shorts. Just let us know

730
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 5: how much that costs. So Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt

731
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 5: Anthony smith I asked him a little bit about this

732
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 5: on the post fight show. I mean, how tiring is

733
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 5: it to to hold that body triangle? Like how tiring

734
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 5: is it to be in one versus to hold one?

735
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 6: So it depends right on how efficient you are. But

736
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 6: you know, trying to control a behemoth like an Alex patata,

737
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 6: you know, is it can't be very difficult, especially sometimes

738
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 6: if you're just squeezing so much. You know that blood

739
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 6: isn't necessarily flowing. You're you are triangling your legs of course, right,

740
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 6: so you're kind of impeding the ability for that blood

741
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 6: to flow properly. So you're getting that build up of blood.

742
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 6: And now we're talking about it at high altitude. Now,

743
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 6: I certainly can't break it down like some kind of

744
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 6: scientist can't, but in my mind, that's how I see it,

745
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 6: and that's where it can that's where it can happen,

746
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 6: I think in that legs. So he's already taking a

747
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 6: beat into that leg and then he's kind of squeezing

748
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 6: with those legs, trying to control this. You know, Behemoth

749
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 6: and Pereira who keeps moving, and it can be stressful.

750
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 6: You certainly don't want to lose that position. You got

751
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 6: the mental fatigue, the physical fatigue, the high altitude. There's

752
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 6: so much at play there and I think all of

753
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 6: that certainly played a factor. And Behovich are the kind

754
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 6: of fatigue that he showed in that fight.

755
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 5: All right, Ray long ago, coming up in about thirty seconds,

756
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 5: but very quickly in terms of the scoring in that

757
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 5: third and final round, if I am interpreting things correctly,

758
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 5: that is an effective striking round, which is to say

759
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 5: that that late takedown from Yombhovich, he didn't do anything

760
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 5: with it, and thereby that really doesn't factor into the

761
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 5: round unless you thought strike for strike. It was so

762
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 5: close that you have to go to effective grappling there

763
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 5: and then it's the takedown for yom Behovich. I felt

764
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 5: like Alex Beneta had won the route at that point

765
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 5: in time. That's why some ground and pound Yambohovich needs

766
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 5: to recognize in that point in time, right, It's like

767
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 5: me at the end of my strength and conditioning workout right.

768
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: Like Yambohovich. If he lands one major elbow there and

769
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: cuts a lex open, he probably wins the fight. Let's

770
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: get to the Ray Long Minute.

771
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: It's now time for the Ray Long Minute.

772
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna push a hole in this. That's what

773
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: I want.

774
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: The Ray Long Minute. The John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast.

775
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: Ray Long Ago The Godfather is with us on a Monday.

776
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 4: Well, it's just I'm just taking notes. Impeding blood flow

777
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 4: to the No. No, I'm seriously because I never heard

778
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 4: it explain like that.

779
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, wait, Kenny, you might make sense.

780
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: Did that make sense to you?

781
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 7: But you might not be a doctor, Kenny, but your father.

782
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: Is exactly.

783
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 3: Enough.

784
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm close enough to the source.

785
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 7: Let me tell you.

786
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 4: There's some people out there that I'm not even joking,

787
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: would say, well, my father is a doctor, so that

788
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 4: it makes me a doctor, you know what I mean? Like, Okay,

789
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: I lied, I'm not a doctor, but my father is.

790
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 4: And don't think went on TV. Yeah, impeding blood flow.

791
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 5: I love it, well, Kenny, not once in the four

792
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty six episode history of this show has

793
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 5: said I come from a medical family. My dad's a doctor.

794
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 5: It's always me saying you know ken flu comes from

795
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 5: a medical family. Doctor Gus Florian listens to the podcast, Kenny,

796
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 5: what do you have for us? Yes, he's very much inclined.

797
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 5: He's like a renaissance man.

798
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 4: He's a doctors. For as far as I'm concerned, the

799
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: guy's a doctor. I don't really care what anybody says.

800
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 5: A doctor Kenny eventually will probably have a doctor doctor

801
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 5: in something.

802
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure doctor Augustine Flora and Florian will agree

803
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: with us too.

804
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 7: It did something right, Doc.

805
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 3: The kid's a genius. Oh my god.

806
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 7: But uh, how we doing, guys?

807
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: Good?

808
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 5: Kenny is a doctor at maintaining space between an individual

809
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 5: potential argus defense.

810
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: All right, all right, well we got a lot to

811
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: get into. You got a lot to get into.

812
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 3: But yeah, go ahead, I.

813
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: Let me interrupt you because I can't even control myself

814
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 4: at this point. Can I can we introduce the shameless

815
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 4: awards for this cord? Who was that the girl that

816
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 4: fake tapped a little bit and had to tap by?

817
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 7: That was that makes it so hard on the referee?

818
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: Right if he would have stopped it, you know, that

819
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 4: girl would have said, I wasn't tapping, you know, I

820
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 4: just and and the and the other guy that got

821
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 4: the toes in his liver, that was clear if he

822
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: even look at the way he didn't hold his his

823
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: nutsack when he went down.

824
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 7: He just was out of breadth. Shameless, shameless, I don't know.

825
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 5: I very much appreciate you pointing out those two instances.

826
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 5: It was Darius Flowers absorbing the body shot by Jake Matthews.

827
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 5: And I think, I said on the broadcast, only he knows,

828
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 5: you know whether or not, but yeah, I mean I

829
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 5: and then Priscilla cashweda right like she taps right, make

830
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 5: it you know, I said, off, I'm trying to cap

831
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 5: a fight here. Make the commentator not look great either, right,

832
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh shee tap, Oh no, she didn't.

833
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: You know.

834
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 4: I remember years ago, Kenny, when I think you, Matt

835
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: was maybe a purple belt, maybe a brown bu but big,

836
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 4: big guy in the gym, like five hundred pound bench

837
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: press show. And Matt would tap him. But dude, he

838
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 4: would like use his pinky. He didn't even want nobody

839
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 4: to know he was tapping. Almost make it look like

840
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 4: they would just keep a rolling. I'm not joking, like

841
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 4: you see everything, and that's what I saw. That girl

842
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 4: tried to fake pap and it puts the ref in

843
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 4: the shitty position.

844
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it herely does.

845
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 6: Here's the thing, Kashauera has done some shady stuff in

846
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 6: the pad too, Like I don't know.

847
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: I agree with Miranda's interview was perfect though. I thought

848
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 4: she she handled herself like a gem. And let's give

849
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 4: the sliding into home base of ward to herb Dean

850
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 4: outstanding job on this guy safe.

851
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 5: Ray Longo minute every week here on the Anakin Florian podcast.

852
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: Ray, you seem like a Justin Gaetchee guy.

853
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm Justine, but could not be.

854
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 5: Is anybody out there, by the way, if you at

855
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 5: Annik Florian pod and maybe this is just I mean,

856
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 5: does anybody not appreciate this guy?

857
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: Is there anybody out there that has a bad word

858
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: of those guys?

859
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 4: Plus plus, he's a nice but he's a nice guy.

860
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 4: He's always pretty nice when you see him. Not that

861
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 4: I know him well, but you know, the guy's a savage.

862
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: Now he's a thinking savage, which even makes his savagery worse.

863
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: When he was just a caveman savage. But now it

864
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: looks like he's come into his own I don't. I mean,

865
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 4: that was a great fight. Both guys are just really

866
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 4: really good fighters. I thought Dustin because of the longer rounds,

867
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: like it was a three round five, was gonna pick Aichi.

868
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 4: But the five rounds, I figured, Gichie's always just consistently

869
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 4: going and going and going. The other guy maybe a

870
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: little spurredy. But damn, hats off to Justin Gaechie just

871
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 4: like again, now he's a he's a thinking savage and

872
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 4: that makes him really fucking dangerous. And I and I, honestly, John,

873
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 4: I didn't want to. I didn't want to pick against

874
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: him because of the physive fight. I thought he handled

875
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 4: that fight beautifully because Phaziv is no joke with the striking,

876
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 4: and you know, he he's just he's growing, he's getting

877
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 4: better even at You know, I love the guys that

878
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: take a couple of losses and they're able to just

879
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 4: shelve it and come back. That that really is the

880
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: sign of a fighter, It really is. You know, he's

881
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 4: not going to get down on himself. He understands competition,

882
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: he loves competing. You know, this guy loves what he's doing.

883
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 4: I mean, is it can't come across anymore. And I

884
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 4: don't know, in hindsight, I probably that was a pretty

885
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 4: big mistake, but hats off to him.

886
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: He did great.

887
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 4: And then and the other guy looks like he's just

888
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 4: having a great time and he's loving his family and life.

889
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 7: And good for him too, man, So all good all

890
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 7: the way around. Winn to lose.

891
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 5: I really want to make sure we give this entire

892
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 5: pay per view the respect that it deserves. But can

893
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 5: I ask you, briefly, Lex Padata, moving up to two

894
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 5: hundred and five pounds, your thought on how he fared

895
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 5: in the comin event against Yombohovic.

896
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 7: Well, he fared well.

897
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it was the most exciting fight, but

898
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 4: we saw him survive on the ground against a guy

899
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 4: who's pretty good down there. Yeah, I thought it was

900
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 4: for a first fight moving up, it actually is a

901
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 4: perfect fight for him. Now, did the altitude have anything

902
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: to do with the other guy? The optics were just awful.

903
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 4: They were just awful. It's I mean, I don't care

904
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: if it's in the judging or not. If you're a

905
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 4: human being and you're looking at a guy sucking air

906
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 4: and dude, it's it's it's gotta be very, very invigorating

907
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 4: for Alex to see. But as a judge. Dude, it's

908
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: not it's just bad optics. And like again, I'm not

909
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 4: a judge. That's why I could say I'm a human being.

910
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 7: It looked like shit to me.

911
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 4: It's just that the guy he had a great first round.

912
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 4: I would think eighty percent of the people thought that

913
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 4: fight was going to be over in the first round.

914
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 4: So hats off to Alex for that. I think he survived,

915
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 4: looked way better than when he was wrestling with Adisanya

916
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 4: that time.

917
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know, so I.

918
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 5: Think Ken he doesn't put Ay to deserve credit for

919
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 5: the defense of grappling. We've heard Glover to share a

920
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 5: talk exhaustedly at this point in time about the physical

921
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 5: strength and how capable he is in these grappling situations. Right,

922
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 5: we would probably give him some monicam of a credit there.

923
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 6: I mean, absolutely, man, absolutely, I mean he was tucking

924
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 6: his chin well, he was defending the arms and fighting

925
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 6: the wrists, he was staying composed. You know, that was

926
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 6: a really bad spot for him, and he was in

927
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 6: it for a really tough time and in a tough

928
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 6: spot on the cage, he was kind of pinned up

929
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 6: a sandwich, you know, between the floor and the cage,

930
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 6: So it just made things that much more difficult than

931
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 6: it's so easy to beat yourself up for being in

932
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 6: that spot or getting overly excited, like I got to

933
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 6: get out of here, and you send your chin and

934
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 6: you got choked out. So he did a good job

935
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 6: of using his experience, using his composure, doing what he

936
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 6: was supposed to do, defend, survive and come back in

937
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 6: rounds two and three.

938
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: And that was the difference.

939
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 6: We wouldn't be talking about this at all if it

940
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 6: wasn't for his ability to survive in round one, right,

941
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 6: And let.

942
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 4: Me say something for a kickbox So Kenny hid if

943
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 4: he hits on a great point, composure for a kickboxer

944
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 4: to be in that position and not panic and like

945
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 4: you say, lift your head up or try to do

946
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: something stupid desperate and put yourself in worse position was

947
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 4: absolutely phenomenal. And look, Kenny, imagine he has bad position

948
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 4: training with glove at techs ERA, right, I mean, think

949
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 4: about it, he exactly just put this guy in bad

950
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: positions every day fucking walks in the gym, and he'll

951
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 4: survive those situations. So yeah, so I'm gonna say a

952
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 4: plus for him. I think it could have been a

953
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 4: little better, but given everything that we're talking about, what

954
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 4: a great fight to move up to two five with.

955
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 5: All right, I want to get your thoughts on Bobby

956
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 5: Green over Tony Ferguson, one of the ladder finishes in

957
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 5: three round UFC history technical submission arm tryangle four fifty

958
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 5: four of round three, and a lot of the discourse

959
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 5: of courses surrounding Tony six success and losses, some not

960
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 5: great reactions nor visuals for him. I tried when I

961
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 5: got a microphone on the post show to sort of

962
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 5: make it about Bobby Green because he's still fast as

963
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 5: hell at thirty six years old and still very competitive,

964
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 5: and he turned pro in like two thousand and eight.

965
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,959
Speaker 5: So I'd love your thoughts on that matchup and both

966
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 5: sides of it if you would ram.

967
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to be constructively

968
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 4: critical here. First off, lake one thing with like, hats

969
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 4: off to Dean Thomas, because I think Joe Rogan was

970
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: alluding to, you know, like Ferguson has great angles, and

971
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: Dean came in said they don't have great He's just

972
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 4: out of place all the time. That's his style that

973
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: you think Ferguson when he sideways is doing that on purpose.

974
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 4: I find that hard to believe. So I what do

975
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 4: we want to see out of this guy? Go twelve

976
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 4: straight wins and now twelve straight losses? Is that what

977
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 4: we're looking for? So he could set a new record

978
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 4: into UFC as much as he was with the forward,

979
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 4: and he did show signs of something. I think it's

980
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 4: time for the guy to go. I think the time man.

981
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 4: I mean, he got choked out by Bobby Green, and

982
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: hats off to Bobby Green, but you would think that

983
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 4: shouldn't have happened. I mean, what are the odds? What

984
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 4: were the odds on Bobby Green tapping Ferguson? What were

985
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 4: the ods?

986
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: If you know, it was something like plus nine hundred.

987
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're in the gym, John and somebody says I

988
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: got I got Bobby Green by submission, you'd probably tell

989
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 4: the guy, dudes, fuck go hit the fucking heavy bag,

990
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: get the fuck away from it. What are you talking about?

991
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 4: And I mean, Kenny isn't me. I don't even know,

992
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: but I like Tony Ferguson. He's done great for the sport.

993
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 4: He was good, but this is that was tough for me.

994
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 4: That was tough to watch. So I don't want to

995
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 4: take away nothing from Bobby Green, because Bobby Green's awesome.

996
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 4: He's gonna do what he's gonna do. It looks like

997
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 4: he's with some new guys. He's putting, He's added some

998
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 4: stuff to his game.

999
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: He's always down.

1000
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 5: In round one, Tony knocked him down with the jab.

1001
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 5: I believe in round one he.

1002
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: Did he did?

1003
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: Was it one of those.

1004
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 4: I don't know, not being funny get knocked down or

1005
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 4: he fell down?

1006
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 7: What was?

1007
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: What was it?

1008
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: Kenny?

1009
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 5: Tony Ferguson got so much love in Salt Lake City

1010
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 5: it almost felt like a Swan song, even though if

1011
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 5: he had won the fight that wouldn't be the case.

1012
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 5: He has made a post on social media he believes

1013
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 5: this ipoke was a really big factor in the fight,

1014
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 5: seemingly wants to get back on the horse. I'll let

1015
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 5: you guys get into all of these things, Kenny. I

1016
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 5: guess I'm just curious from your standpoints, right, Like, I

1017
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 5: don't love the way he's reacting to strikes. But I

1018
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 5: also wouldn't completely shut the door on strategically trying to

1019
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 5: control the exit with Tony. If if you're the UFC.

1020
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: Meaning find him.

1021
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 5: And again, of all the eighty lightweights in the UFC,

1022
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 5: there might not be a guy that doesn't present some

1023
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 5: sort of striking danger. Okay, I'm just saying, maybe give

1024
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 5: him one fight on which to go out that has

1025
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 5: built as his retirement, fight that seemingly lacks the danger

1026
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 5: that some other matchups do. I'm not opposed to that,

1027
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 5: but I can understand why a lot of people in seats,

1028
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 5: like you guys as analysts, are calling for him to retire.

1029
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: Well.

1030
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 6: I think Ray said it best with the Robbie Lawler

1031
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 6: fight is that you know, it's rare that you see

1032
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 6: that kind of swan song. It rarely goes well when

1033
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 6: a guy.

1034
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: Has been fighting for that long.

1035
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 6: And I think that's why we were all so excited,

1036
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 6: so happy for someone like Robbie Laller, right. And my

1037
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 6: concern for someone like Tony Ferguson is these are two camps,

1038
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 6: two big fights, right, and when I'm seeing a decline

1039
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 6: in that, that's where I get concerned. And this isn't

1040
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 6: you know we could talk about Tony. He was never

1041
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 6: he was never a technical fighter. I would never call

1042
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 6: him technical. I think what made Ferguson good was the

1043
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 6: fact that he was awkward, he was tough, and he

1044
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 6: was durable, and when he lost his durability, he was

1045
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 6: only with being awkward and tough.

1046
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: That's the problem.

1047
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: And at this.

1048
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 6: Spege of the game, you know, it reminds me of

1049
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 6: you know, something like BJ Penn, you know where you know,

1050
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 6: these guys are so good and in their peak they

1051
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 6: were so damn good. But now BJ Penn, what was

1052
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 6: his records like close to like a five hundred record

1053
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 6: right now, And that is no indication of who BJ

1054
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 6: Penn was as a fighter.

1055
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: And that's what concerns me.

1056
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 6: Because Tony is tough, and because he's a competitor, I

1057
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 6: can see him coming back and just getting hurt and

1058
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 6: hurt and hurt and going I just need that one one.

1059
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 6: I just need that one fight. I just I could

1060
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 6: do it the next time, and I can do it

1061
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 6: the next time. And to me, what I saw was

1062
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 6: it was more than uncoordinated awkwardness. To me, I would

1063
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 6: even go as far as there was some kind.

1064
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: Of neurological degradation there.

1065
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 6: Where where he's stepping where it's almost like his body

1066
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 6: and brain aren't in sync and that's a concern because

1067
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 6: Tony Ferguson had been in so many wars prior to

1068
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 6: that Chandler fight, and when Chandler hit that kick, that's

1069
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 6: enough to make any man, I don't care who you

1070
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 6: were less than after that. So that's my big concern

1071
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 6: for Tony. And you know people will be like, oh,

1072
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 6: you don't care about the fighters.

1073
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: No, no, no.

1074
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 6: With someone like Tony and his kind of legacy, I

1075
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 6: think he deserves some kind of clean exit and I

1076
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 6: hope that he has done something financially to be in

1077
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 6: a comfortable position because if I'm on his team, you know,

1078
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 6: if we're being honest, you have or a manager or something.

1079
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 6: You have to have a sit down, serious talk to

1080
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 6: Tony Ferkson at this stage of the game, because it

1081
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 6: could go very badly, very quickly. And for me, it's

1082
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 6: not you know, you have a bad performance, that's okay.

1083
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 6: Everyone has can have a bad performance or not look great,

1084
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 6: or injuries whatever, the eye thing, sure, but to me,

1085
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 6: it's the overall movement and reaction time that's what makes

1086
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 6: it so different. Tony just look like a completely different dude.

1087
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 6: He's thirty nine years old. He had one of the

1088
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 6: best runs in UFC history. I think you know, Ray

1089
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 6: is accurate in that now it's time, it really is.

1090
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: And Kenny what Ray said?

1091
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 5: Excuse me, Ray, Well, Kenny said off the top right,

1092
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 5: back to back really good training camps, and this is

1093
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 5: the result. And I think that's why it's like, all right,

1094
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 5: we've really sort of exhausted this fruit the last two

1095
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 5: times and we still didn't get that grain stripe on

1096
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 5: the Wikipedia page.

1097
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: You got anything else on that ry couple.

1098
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 4: First of all, this is why I love Kenny Florian.

1099
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sorry. These weeks are hard for me

1100
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: because there's such a disparagy because.

1101
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 7: Well, he's getting better at my analysis, he really did stop.

1102
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: He's getting better. I don't think you're getting worse necessarily.

1103
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 4: Well, listen with age. I love that, but look he's

1104
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 4: Kenny's just spottling with everything. With that, though, I do

1105
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 4: go back and I forgot about that. You know, look,

1106
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 4: this was a fight, like again, he has a great camp.

1107
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 4: Maybe it was a winnable fight. The ipoke sucks man

1108
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: that that's not right at this stage of the game. Man,

1109
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know that that because I don't

1110
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: give a ship who you are it's going to affect you.

1111
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 4: And he's not in the position that he deserves that

1112
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 4: type of adversity because he's so fucking tough. This is

1113
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 4: a definition of a guy that's too tough for his

1114
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 4: own good. As you know, it's a cliche, but that's

1115
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 4: what it is. Even with the ipoke, He's still going

1116
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 4: and he survives, and I don't know, so.

1117
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, you know, you could have taken he

1118
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 5: could have taken his gray stripe, right, it's.

1119
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: The it's the tough guys that always take the most

1120
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: amount of damage.

1121
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 7: That's the pot without of that, that's the problem.

1122
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,479
Speaker 4: I forgot about the ipoke too, which isn't really fair

1123
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 4: to Tony Ferguson. And even with anything more analyzing, because

1124
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a real believer in that, well, any

1125
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 4: ipop is going to be a huge, huge problem for anybody.

1126
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 7: I don't give a ship.

1127
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 4: It's just that that that that ipop sucks and his

1128
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: I was bleeding, I think.

1129
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, So why did Tony say that he was okay

1130
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 6: to fight? He had another few minutes to a last

1131
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,959
Speaker 6: allowed not that saying maybe it wouldn't have it would

1132
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 6: have been the same as far as his vision, but

1133
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 6: it was almost again that toughness took over and he's like.

1134
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I want to fight right now? Was

1135
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: telling him no, you got more teah?

1136
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

1137
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 6: So again, was it hurting? Was it affecting him or

1138
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 6: wasn't it? And if it was, why did you decide

1139
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 6: to fight? Why is he making that decision?

1140
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: Now?

1141
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 4: He's a legitimate tough guy. That's the problem and his

1142
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 4: and I'm sure in his head he thought, right, feel

1143
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 4: big because you got to love the mentality.

1144
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 3: You love guys like that. But that's bad. You know. Look,

1145
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 3: the whole I poke thing to me is crazy.

1146
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 4: I mean because you gotta remember Valante lost that fight

1147
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 4: that time because he got poked in the eye in

1148
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 4: Jersey and they asked him, can you see? He said no,

1149
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 4: and they stopped the fight. Like if I poked you

1150
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 4: in the eye, of course you can't see. That's the

1151
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 4: whole purpose.

1152
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: Can he?

1153
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 4: With your self defense? Is the so the guy can't see?

1154
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 4: That's what you're trying to do. So what do we do, John,

1155
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 4: What do we do as an athletic commission to really.

1156
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 3: Help the guy out?

1157
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 4: You know what the rule is, don't ask him if

1158
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 4: he could see, because if he says, no, you have

1159
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 4: to stop the fucking come on, man, So let's not

1160
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 4: ask I know, Yeah, he still better.

1161
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 5: I don't blame you. Ray is still more better than Valante.

1162
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 5: Is this many years later?

1163
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: Oh no, Valante. I just saw him. He's not bitter

1164
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 3: at all.

1165
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 4: Wait, you see him on the ESPN document documentary came

1166
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 4: in guns blazing ic.

1167
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: He's awesome Valante. But I'm just saying no.

1168
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 4: But like again, you know, it's a problem. So you know, like, look,

1169
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 4: you break your leg. If I ask if your leg's broken,

1170
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 4: don't just say no, I just give me some time.

1171
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 4: Like I don't understand it, I really don't. I think

1172
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 4: it's I think it's a way to keep the fight going.

1173
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 4: It's a way to you know, cover your ass with

1174
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 4: liability because you can't ask a guy, can you?

1175
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1176
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 4: But it's not for the fucking right reason, which is

1177
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 4: the protect the fucking fighter. Like I hate when they

1178
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 4: say we hit a level of playing field, we here

1179
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 4: to do that, and then this is what you do.

1180
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 5: All yeah, Well, and it's also hard for the fighters,

1181
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 5: right because Blao Muhammad absorbed one of the worst ips

1182
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 5: against me on Edwards and yet in the court of

1183
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 5: public opinion, you know, people think he's saft.

1184
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: Right, Like I didn't get poked in the.

1185
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 5: Eye in my right eye. I haven't been able to

1186
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 5: wear contact lenses on the Anakin Florian podcast in two weeks.

1187
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 5: I'm going to see a second ophthalmologist today. I was

1188
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 5: able to get through the UFC broadcast, but that created

1189
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,479
Speaker 5: just a brutal situation with my eye.

1190
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: On Sunday, I didn't.

1191
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 5: Even get poked, right, So, yes, we need to give

1192
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 5: these fighters the benefit of the doubt. And yeah, it

1193
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 5: is a tough thing though, right because yea, as soon

1194
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 5: as you say I can't see, it's a no contest,

1195
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 5: and in John Blonte's case it was actually a loss.

1196
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 5: I would like to get into Kevin Holland and Michael

1197
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 5: Kisa if I could can flow. It's rabo choke for

1198
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 5: Kevin Holland comes a two thirty nine of round one.

1199
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 5: I asked Anthony Smith, Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt on

1200
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 5: the UFC telecast, and I think it speaks maybe some

1201
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 5: of my ignorance, but why is somebody and maybe and

1202
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 5: Michael Kass is not Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt but

1203
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 5: he is somebody who is ubiquitous regarded as a good

1204
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 5: mma grappler. He's got a lot of submission wins, he's

1205
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 5: got a lot of submission losses as well. And I

1206
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 5: wondered why a guy who is so revered as a

1207
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 5: grappler would be so would be so susceptible to a

1208
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 5: submission or submissions plural and Anthony explained it sort of

1209
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,959
Speaker 5: the way he has his arms extended when he's going

1210
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 5: for a takedown. But I don't know, man, Obviously, this

1211
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 5: is a hugely disappointing return for a really good dude.

1212
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: Michael Kiss, Yeah, listen.

1213
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 6: I think that defense is probably one of the most

1214
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 6: ignorant aspects of fighting period, and we forget that we

1215
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 6: can't win a fight if we can't survive. And I

1216
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 6: think something like that, like we seed a lot of it.

1217
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 6: I wish I spent.

1218
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: More time defensively.

1219
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 6: It's like, you know, bj Penn choke me up with

1220
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 6: a rear naked choke and after the fight, my brother

1221
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 6: looks at me and goes, what's the last time you've

1222
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 6: been in that position? Doubt He's like, yeah, that's going

1223
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 6: to change, And you know, you get used to doing things.

1224
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 6: You get comfortable, you forget that that can happen. You're

1225
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 6: trained with the same people anyways, you know, so sometimes

1226
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 6: you can be great offensively and not defensively, and it

1227
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 6: sucks doing that stuff, you know, being in defensive positions

1228
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 6: and being in that over and overty.

1229
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: But it is an absolute must.

1230
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 6: It changed my home mentality after that, you know, because

1231
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 6: I didn't think I would lose position like that. Well

1232
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 6: you absolutely can, especially if you're facing something like a

1233
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 6: BJ Penn in his prime or whatever. But so you know,

1234
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 6: analyzing where you're vulnerable, being in those bad spots and

1235
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 6: getting used to that is not something that a lot

1236
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 6: of fighters like to do, and you got to do it.

1237
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 6: I think for Kisa that has been kind of a vulnerability.

1238
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 6: But more than anything else, I think Kevin Holland was

1239
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 6: just show as a tack on Saturday Night. He was

1240
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 6: doing everything right. And I think probably the most underappreciated

1241
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 6: thing about Kevin Holland is his intelligence. He is clearly

1242
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 6: a very very smart fighter. He did his homework and

1243
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 6: through like even the things he was saying, you know

1244
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,959
Speaker 6: about Neil Magni and the fight like this kid. He

1245
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 6: he was on point with everything and so you know,

1246
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 6: he he talks a lot, and we see this guy

1247
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 6: who's cocky and he's talking a lot, but that masks

1248
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 6: his intelligence as a fighter, and he happens to be

1249
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 6: getting better. So everything from his level change to take

1250
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 6: away Kis's level changes, to his punches, to his counter

1251
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 6: offense on the grappling. The dude was on point, man,

1252
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 6: and he made a dude like Kis who's got a

1253
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 6: lot of experience, who can give a lot of guys

1254
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 6: a tough time. He made Kis a look average, like

1255
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 6: maybe less than average. That that's how good Kevin Ollen looked.

1256
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a couple of really good stuff. Look, any

1257
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 4: of my jiu jitsu stuff is coming from Sarah, But

1258
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 4: Matt Sarah was huge on bad position training. Always was

1259
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 4: always we would end every session with a cage on

1260
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 4: his head, somebody trying to pummel him from the guard

1261
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 4: because he was back then. You know, he'd be fought

1262
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 4: a lot off his back. But it was always big

1263
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 4: on bad position training. And I told you this a

1264
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago with Nas. You know, I watched

1265
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 4: every aspect of his fight except as jiu jitsu training.

1266
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 4: So I remember, like a week before the fight. Go dude,

1267
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 4: you got your bad position training it right. He goes, dude,

1268
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 4: I had savages on my back forever. And then when

1269
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 4: he when McKinney got his back, that guy wasn't even

1270
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 4: close to getting that joke. That's what made me feel

1271
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 4: comfortable as a coach when I was sitting there. If

1272
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 4: I don't have that conversation with him, and I don't

1273
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 4: know that as a coach, I would have been there.

1274
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 4: But he did say, dude, I had everybody on my

1275
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 4: back and blah blah blah.

1276
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 3: And that's what it's got to be. You know.

1277
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 4: Look what Michael Kissa, Yeah, he is a great grappler.

1278
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 4: I think there's a couple of things. He's been around

1279
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 4: for a while, Kevin Hall and is still kind of

1280
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 4: on the up and up. I think that's the difference.

1281
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 4: You know, I saw Kisa. Look, one of my favorite

1282
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 4: people in the world is Michael Kiessa. He really is

1283
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 4: just a great guy. Saw when I was in Vegas.

1284
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 4: He's got a beautiful wife. He's doing the analyzing, you know,

1285
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 4: he's doing the gigs on. I think that always into

1286
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 4: you know, maybe I'll take a jiu jitsu guy. I

1287
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 4: know how to get out of these positions, like Kenny said,

1288
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 4: and you don't work them, but now the other guy

1289
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 4: is working them. He's working on putting you out and

1290
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 4: you're not working on defending. And it could be something

1291
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 4: like that, but we'd have to really talk to him.

1292
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 3: But a nicer guy thinking yes and no. I liked it.

1293
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 4: I like that guy since the second he fort I

1294
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 4: ha Quinter in the finals. He was always a stand up,

1295
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 4: good fucking dude. I mean a couple of years he

1296
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 4: stopped by the Jimmy came out to visit aut He's

1297
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 4: just what a you know, like, I'm not an Instagram guy,

1298
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 4: but I should have put the pictures up. He's just

1299
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 4: made my day. He walked in out of nowhere. I

1300
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 4: didn't even know he was in town.

1301
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 3: He's just always a good guy. Just a good guy.

1302
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: Aed like hell.

1303
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, prepared like hell for Kevin Holland sometimes it can

1304
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 5: be about maybe directing that preparation when it comes to

1305
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 5: some of the defensive stuff.

1306
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 4: But uh, but he could have, Yeah, Johnny, he could

1307
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 4: have prepared standing up more than he prepared on the

1308
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 4: ground because he thought that his weakness, if anything, would

1309
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 4: be the stand up on the ground.

1310
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 3: He figured maybe I can get away with it.

1311
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a jiu jitsu guy. I'm a black belt.

1312
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 4: You know, we put so much which emphasis on black belt.

1313
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 4: There is different types of black belts too, of course.

1314
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. So I don't know whatever.

1315
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 5: Kevin Holland, Well, some people though, have you know, wondered

1316
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 5: about Kevin Holland in the past. He's a Travis Luther

1317
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 5: Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt, and if memory serves, he

1318
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 5: didn't enter the UFC with a black belt. He has

1319
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 5: continued to ascend it now he's a black belt, but

1320
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 5: he has a full time wrestling coach, Eric Sans, who

1321
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 5: has worked with other MMA fighters. And to Kenny's point,

1322
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 5: he sort of alluded to the Neil Magni thing, right,

1323
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 5: just talking about how if Neil Magni and these are

1324
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 5: Kevin Holland's words, not mine, was a better fighter, he

1325
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 5: would have taken advantage of these mistakes, right. Kevin Holland

1326
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 5: eats fucking film high fight. IQ made his UFC debut

1327
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 5: on short notice against Iago Maheta Fucking Santos, one of

1328
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 5: the most decorated knockout artists in the UFC history. Right,

1329
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 5: go Look at the track record on Kevin Holland, the

1330
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 5: win over Jaqad Soza capping a five win twenty twenty.

1331
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 5: One of the most underrated fighters on the roster, right, Yeah,

1332
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 5: I mean he got out wrestled by Marvinvatory and Derek Brunson.

1333
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 5: Neither guy could finish him over twenty five minutes. Look

1334
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 5: at the guy's resume, all the main events. I buried

1335
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 5: the lead probably talking about Kisa but two really good.

1336
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, really good.

1337
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, good point, John, Really, I would not We're not

1338
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 4: taking nothing away from Kevin hollen Obviously, this guy loves

1339
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 4: to fight, he's entertaining, and he's only going to get better.

1340
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1341
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 4: I think because Kis has been around a while, he

1342
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 4: deserves to be talked about.

1343
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 3: But uh, but no, no at all, District.

1344
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 4: This has nothing to do with Kevin Holland, you know,

1345
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 4: you know, because he's he's always game to fight and

1346
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 4: he's yeah, he loves it. You could you could see

1347
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 4: it comes through in his personality and he's going.

1348
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 3: To get better and better. Kevin Holland.

1349
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 5: All right, we got a few more minutes here with

1350
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,439
Speaker 5: Ray Longo. So when we're doing the UFC post fight show,

1351
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 5: we go in a lot of different directions. It's not

1352
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 5: as though we have that much time, but we spent

1353
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 5: a lot of time on Derek Lewis, and certainly in

1354
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 5: some part because he drops his shorts, right, But that

1355
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 5: means that a guy like Gabriel bon Fiend doesn't get

1356
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 5: talked about on the post show, and sometimes that's what

1357
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 5: we deal with here. And sometimes fans would be like, yeah,

1358
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 5: you don't have a clock, and it's like, yeah, but

1359
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 5: Kenny Florian's in demand. There's a line outside his door

1360
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 5: right now for autographs and he lives in a fucking

1361
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 5: gated community, you know what I mean. So it's like,

1362
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 5: we can't be here forever and ends up talking about

1363
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 5: all of these guys. But also I want to talk

1364
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 5: to you about Stephen wonder Boy Thompson because he did

1365
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 5: not make and there are a lot of layers to

1366
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 5: that as well. So let us start with Stephen Thompson.

1367
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 5: He was to face Michelle Paeda. Michelle Paeda might be

1368
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 5: the biggest welterweight on the roster. He was trying to

1369
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 5: extend his winning streak to six in the highest profile

1370
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 5: fight of his career. Fails the fight before the fight

1371
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 5: weighs in one hundred and seventy four pounds, and your guy,

1372
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 5: Stephen wonder Boy Thompson, who has been burned by that

1373
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 5: type of circumstance in the past, refuses the fight.

1374
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: Ray long your thoughts.

1375
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. He made the right decision, and there's

1376
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 4: got to be penalties. What the fuck is a couple

1377
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 4: extra thousand dollars going to do at that point? You

1378
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 4: know what I mean, if you lose the fight, nobody cares.

1379
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 4: They're going to see an l on your record. The

1380
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 4: guy's forty years old. Give the fight, Give the guy

1381
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 4: a fucking break. Pay him is fucking money because he's up.

1382
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 4: He signed on the dotted line. The other guy couldn't

1383
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 4: complete in any legal system anywhere. That guy gets penalized.

1384
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 4: I mean even they could. They should pay him to

1385
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 4: show money and make Perreira pay whatever he would have

1386
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 4: had to pay him if the fight went on. I mean, what,

1387
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 4: you know, the guy's huge, wonder Boys got you know,

1388
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think he did the right thing,

1389
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 4: and I think it should be talked about more because,

1390
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 4: like he said, eleven years in the UFC's never missed

1391
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 4: weight and to these guys that make weight.

1392
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 3: This is very, very insulting.

1393
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 4: It's not easy to do three pounds at the end

1394
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 4: could be a fucking nightmare. It's not easy, and that

1395
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 4: guy should be penalized and Wonder Boys should actually be

1396
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 4: complimented and he should be well taken care of just

1397
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 4: for doing the right thing.

1398
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, nailed it. I mean, I think

1399
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: this is very unfortunate.

1400
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 6: And also you know certain fighters, they'll do it and

1401
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 6: they go, well, I got away with it.

1402
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: It's not a big deal. You know, he's supposed to

1403
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: weigh one hundred and seventy pounds.

1404
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 6: There's a one pound of allowance in case just screw

1405
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 6: something up, right, So he comes in at one seventy

1406
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 6: four really like it's one seventy four. It's four pounds

1407
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 6: over the one hundred and seventy pound weight limit. The

1408
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 6: dude is absolutely massive at welterweight. This is his third

1409
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 6: time missing weight.

1410
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: It's unacceptable. It's unacceptable. I have a fight on Ernie

1411
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: if I pot.

1412
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 6: This is why I thought there was such a tough

1413
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 6: fight for for Wonder Boys. First of all, the style.

1414
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 6: The dude knows how to move. He's clearly familiar with

1415
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 6: that in and out karate type style and the dude

1416
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 6: is massive for the weight class. So that was a

1417
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 6: concern for me, and it was a concern clearly for

1418
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 6: someone like Wonder Boy and his team. I'm not giving

1419
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 6: anybody any edge, you know what I mean? Why are

1420
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 6: you gonna give us? He already comes in heavy in

1421
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 6: the fight? Like how much? Again, Like I wish, I

1422
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 6: wish I had someone like let me come in at

1423
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 6: one seventy one against album, even that one pound would

1424
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 6: it make a difference? And I think that like people

1425
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 6: are always like, well, it's just a couple of pounds, why

1426
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 6: is he cut? I always I always say this. I've

1427
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 6: said this many times in the podcast. It's like running

1428
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 6: a marathon and being like can you just run another

1429
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 6: seven miles? For me, it's just another seven miles. You

1430
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 6: just did a marathon. Not a big deal. No, No,

1431
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 6: it is. At that stage of the game, it is

1432
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 6: a every mile, every pound is a big deal, and

1433
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 6: that could be the difference between feeling okay, feeling great

1434
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 6: or feeling terrible. So people get away with it and

1435
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 6: you find out who the real fighters and who the

1436
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 6: real professionals are and who are And I think that,

1437
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 6: like Ray said, he absolutely should have been penalized. And

1438
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 6: for wonder Boy at this stage of the career, he

1439
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 6: shouldn't be taking that fight. You know, he should not

1440
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 6: be taking a fight at this stage, and I think

1441
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 6: he should be compensated in some way, shape or for

1442
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 6: we all know. You know, if you are a promoter,

1443
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 6: you want to see someone like Wonder Boy on that card.

1444
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 6: And I think both their way of going, well, you're

1445
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 6: not going to fight. Guess what, we're not paying you.

1446
01:08:58,040 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 6: We're not going to pay you. Even if they're going

1447
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 6: to give you extra money or whatever. That l really

1448
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 6: matters to to fighters, professionals martial arts like wonder Boy,

1449
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 6: and I think he made the right choice, just unfortunately

1450
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 6: all the way around. But again, as far as Pereira

1451
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 6: is concerned, you know, and I picked him to win

1452
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 6: that fight by the way, I thought it was gonna

1453
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 6: be close by. I picked Pereira to win. I say,

1454
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 6: put him, make him a middleway for his next fight.

1455
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 4: Said, and I'll tell you, thank god, wonder Boy doesn't

1456
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 4: need that money too. I mean, they do really well

1457
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 4: out in South Carolina. So you know, for the guys

1458
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 4: that really would have needed the paycheck, what do you

1459
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 4: think man, a promoter's gonna pisso all over that they're

1460
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 4: gonna fucking they're gonna thrive on that.

1461
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 3: Go go fight, You're.

1462
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 7: Gonna make the money.

1463
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 4: Your money, money, money, money, money, money, everything's fucking money.

1464
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 4: Now it ain't fucking money. And thank god, Wonder Boy's

1465
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 4: got enough of it and his father they do well

1466
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 4: with that school. He could tell you go fuck yourself.

1467
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 4: I ain't fighting. I signed the fucking contract and this

1468
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 4: guy didn't didn't pay up, They didn't do his job.

1469
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 4: Why am I being penalized for that? And what fucking

1470
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 4: universe does that make sense?

1471
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I agree with everything out of both of

1472
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 5: your mouths. I have long agreed and aligned with Mike Dolcea,

1473
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 5: who wants the stiffest penalties possible for missing weight. Right,

1474
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 5: you start to go forty to fifty percent a purse, right,

1475
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 5: then you do a ton of purse. Right, maybe only

1476
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 5: if you miss weight you're only fighting for a no

1477
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 5: contest or whatever it is. Switch divisions with multiple offenses, right,

1478
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 5: you make the consequences so dire that it will nip

1479
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 5: the problem in the butt, especially when it comes to

1480
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 5: kicking guys out of divisions. Now, Jordan Sullivan is one

1481
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 5: of the finest nutritionists in the space. He works with

1482
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 5: Israel Ato Sonia and other guys is the Underscore Fight dietitian.

1483
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 5: He agrees with most of what you guys just said,

1484
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 5: but when he commented when I posted wonder Boys statement

1485
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 5: on my Instagram page, he posted a comment, I'm going

1486
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 5: to read to you guys, and it's set off a

1487
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 5: little bit of a firestorm. Now we're gonna have Jordan

1488
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 5: Sultan on the Anicinploring podcast in the next few weeks.

1489
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 5: And I probably shouldn't even read this without giving him

1490
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 5: the benefit to respond here, But I'm.

1491
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 6: Just saying he agrees.

1492
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 5: He agrees with a lot of what you guys are saying,

1493
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 5: and he wrote, I agree with this wholeheartedly, but there

1494
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 5: is no significant advantage that exists with such an insignificant

1495
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 5: difference of weight at this level of competition in a

1496
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,480
Speaker 5: sport that is this technical, that is this technical Kenny Forria,

1497
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 5: Kenny Nice, Hey, Hey, hang on, be nice, because he's

1498
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 5: a really good dude and he's going to be on here,

1499
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 5: Kenny in a few weeks.

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01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 6: I love it.

1501
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 5: I'm throwing that at you, Kenny, because it sounds like

1502
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 5: you think that's total bullshit.

1503
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 6: I'm being like, I'm asking a genuine question here, But

1504
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 6: has Jordan Sullivan ever competed in a professionals cauliflower here?

1505
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: I know that I don't know, all right, so.

1506
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 6: I'd be curious. It absolutely makes a difference. It absolutely

1507
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 6: makes a difference. If that was the case, then shit,

1508
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 6: anyone could come in.

1509
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: Let's make it right.

1510
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 6: Who allowance for every fight? No, No, it does. It

1511
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 6: does matter, especially when we're talking about a guy like Pereira.

1512
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 6: Who And it's a case by case basis too, I think.

1513
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 6: So there's some truth to what he's saying. But look

1514
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 6: how big Perreira is in the off season. Look at

1515
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 6: him the next night after a fight. One hundred percent

1516
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 6: it matters. I've been in there against Josie Aldo and

1517
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 6: Diego Nunez and I was nowhere close to one hundred percent.

1518
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: Okay, right, and let me let me jump.

1519
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Kenny, Yeah.

1520
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say this, right. I was hitting

1521
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 6: paths for five minutes and my muscles were locking up

1522
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 6: before the Joseialdo fight. So yeah, absolutely, if I if

1523
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 6: I was allowed to weigh one forty eight again, that

1524
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 6: would have been a big difference.

1525
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: So anyways, go ahead, right.

1526
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, And I'm sure there's no fucking studies on

1527
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 4: whatever the hell he's saying. Anyway, but we've seen Alex

1528
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 4: dance out before too from making the wait, we've seen

1529
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 4: them dance out in a couple of fights, remember that

1530
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 4: the first fighting, Yes, Michelle, Michelle, so sorry about that,

1531
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 4: but you know what I'm saying. And so that statement

1532
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,799
Speaker 4: is I'm gonna say, is as nine. And yeah, maybe

1533
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 4: some guys are so mentally strong because they've done it

1534
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 4: their whole life that maybe they get through with that.

1535
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,440
Speaker 3: But for the guy, if.

1536
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 4: If that was the case, to make the fucking weight,

1537
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 4: so does it go to the same in the opposite direction,

1538
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 4: If it's not a big deal to make the fucking weight,

1539
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 4: it's gonna be the sort of a deal the guy

1540
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 4: couldn't do it.

1541
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 6: And Ray, we're talking about the elite level here where what.

1542
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: Happened to that? We're having a bad hair dame might

1543
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: matter on who?

1544
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 6: How about this?

1545
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 4: Yeah it's so close, you know, So yeah, how about this?

1546
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 4: I give you my fucking word, I'm gonna be one seventy.

1547
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 3: How about that?

1548
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 4: How about we just hold through a fucking word? But

1549
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 4: we're supposed to do that. We shouldn't even need.

1550
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 3: A fucking contract for how about that?

1551
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1552
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 5: Hey, I mean right now, have your grandmother's house away.

1553
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 5: Hey yeah, grandma's house to someone else. It's not it's

1554
01:13:58,560 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 5: not my I'm not just.

1555
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 4: Any but hey, fighting Israel in the future, just come

1556
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 4: in four five pounds over because he's going to take

1557
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 4: the fight because it don't matter.

1558
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 3: How about that's anny way for conversation.

1559
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 5: But yes, I agree with you. I agree with a

1560
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,799
Speaker 5: lot of what you're saying. Hey, no, I I am. Now,

1561
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 5: when we have Jordan on, it's going to be the

1562
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 5: four of us, so right, you're going to be a

1563
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 5: part of this conversation so he can scientifically explain himself, right,

1564
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 5: because he doesn't come from this place of ignorance of that,

1565
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 5: I can assure you, right, right, right.

1566
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 4: No, it's not that, But it's you know, in a

1567
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 4: time like this, when a guy's fucking forty years old

1568
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 4: and the other guy's a young guy up and coming,

1569
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 4: are you fucking joking?

1570
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 3: Right?

1571
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 8: No?

1572
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 5: I think I think Jordan Sullivan and everybody else agrees

1573
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 5: with his decision to pull out of the fight. He's

1574
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 5: just trying to talk about maybe the lack of a

1575
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 5: physical advantage, and you guys obviously disagree. We got to

1576
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 5: get out of here. Ray, you got anything else before

1577
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 5: we get you go? Who's fighting locally? Week?

1578
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1579
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 4: First off, let's we mentioned Derek Lewis. I'm so happy

1580
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 4: for Derek Lewis and his fucking balls. I really am

1581
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 4: for the both of them. That was a proof outstanding.

1582
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 4: You know, one thing I wanted to say too, Kenny,

1583
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 4: I tell you that we didn't talk about or you

1584
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 4: probably did.

1585
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 3: That wasn't here.

1586
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 4: But Alex Paia was just knocked out viciously three or

1587
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 4: four months ago. So again I was taking that into consideration.

1588
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,480
Speaker 4: I'm blown away by that, you know, Like again.

1589
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 7: So I'm sure.

1590
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 4: So that's like, I don't look under any circumstance that's

1591
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 4: not good for you. But that's like me say, it

1592
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 4: doesn't matter. Look, Alex did it. It doesn't matter if

1593
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 4: you got knocked out two weeks ago.

1594
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 3: I did it.

1595
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 4: And look back in the day, guys would get dropped

1596
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 4: in the gym, Kenny, they would put you back in

1597
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 4: the next day just to test your see if you're

1598
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 4: tough enough days do you.

1599
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 3: Really want to do this?

1600
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 4: Which is absolutely asinine in the long run, but it

1601
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 4: was happening.

1602
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 3: And people did do it. They survived. I know guys,

1603
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 3: heavyweights that I still know to this data.

1604
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 4: They don't They talked well, no, no problems, and it's

1605
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 4: happened to them in a number of times, so I don't.

1606
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 3: Know that that was a big thing too.

1607
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 4: With the Alex Thatt's off to him and Love It

1608
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 4: techs Era, two of the nicest guys in the sport.

1609
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,719
Speaker 3: We'll recap everything next week. Well what I got coming up? John,

1610
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 3: We got big stuff coming up.

1611
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 4: Please remember pompos Gregorio want to contend this series in

1612
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 4: two weeks.

1613
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 3: Very excited for him.

1614
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 5: To ingsforth coming at Ray Longo nine three five eight

1615
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 5: on Instagram. Ray long go minute every week here on

1616
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 5: the Anti Compluran Podcast. Love you buddy, thanks for bringing it,

1617
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 5: Thanks for the candor. We'll talk to you in less

1618
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 5: than seven days.

1619
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, and thanks for waiting till the end

1620
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 4: of the show to rile me the fuck up so

1621
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 4: I can get out of he holy shit, nothing matter

1622
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,560
Speaker 4: is wait nothing, everything's good, no with no difference, and

1623
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 4: that I gotta go.

1624
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 3: I can't take it no more.

1625
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 5: Take it easy, guys, Love you Kenny, move up the

1626
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 5: good work. Hey, I just love that he was framed up.

1627
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 5: Ray Long go minute every week here on the Antikamplorian

1628
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 5: podcast on the DraftKings Network. You can bring Brian Petrie

1629
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 5: into the conversation anytime I do need to do a

1630
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 5: public service announcement on the La Podata pronunciation and it'll

1631
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 5: probably duvetail nicely into our pronunciation of the week. Don't worry,

1632
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 5: We're going to talk about Gabriel Bonfime. So here's the thing.

1633
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 5: Kenny is saying, Alex Pereira right to try to help

1634
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 5: you people understand, and I say you people, with all

1635
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 5: due respect, that there's no H sound whatsoever at play here, right,

1636
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 5: You really.

1637
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: Should roll the R.

1638
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 5: And if you can't do that consistently, that's fine, just

1639
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 5: say Alex Parera. But it's not Paheira in any way,

1640
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 5: shape or form. And I know sometimes, uh, there are

1641
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 5: people out there that are paid to talk that put

1642
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 5: that H out there, and that makes it very confusing.

1643
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 5: Pereira or Pareta, right, Pareta, and even I you can

1644
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 5: even do a D right, which is closer to a

1645
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 5: rolling R than an H. But you got to get

1646
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 5: that H out of your minds, right, Alex Paata or Pereira,

1647
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 5: but not Pajeda please, no H.

1648
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 6: And you pronounce it beautifully during the flight. But if

1649
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,799
Speaker 6: the R, here's the rule. If there's an R.

1650
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: At the beginning of the word, beginning of the.

1651
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 6: Name, then it is then it is an H. If

1652
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 6: it is two rs in secession, so they're both back

1653
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 6: to back, two rs together, then it becomes an H.

1654
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 6: There is only one R in fed Ada, so that's

1655
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 6: why you pronounced that rolling R.

1656
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 5: So it's tricky because it's a high profile fighter. And

1657
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 5: we went through this with Israel ADSs Sonya, right, and

1658
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 5: we call him out of Sonya, right, But if I

1659
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 5: was to go up to his sister, it's deb ads Onnya.

1660
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 1: It's not out of Sonya.

1661
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 5: And I'm not going to rehash all of that right

1662
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 5: now because my producer Zach Candida was listening. But he's

1663
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 5: out of signya on broadcast. And maybe one time when

1664
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 5: I cap a finish of his I'll say aya. We'll see,

1665
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 5: all right, let us get to a big on. Brian

1666
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 5: Petrie hosted the MMA Takes podcast. I usually introduced him

1667
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 5: as the fine handicapper here on the podcast. Sorry, about

1668
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 5: the way.

1669
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 3: My man.

1670
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: It's good to see your shining face. Oh. Rad was

1671
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,640
Speaker 1: on five in the minute min arego love that you

1672
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: gotta worked up. You got the blood pressure rising on ray.

1673
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: I love it.

1674
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 5: I love it so Uh, I get two tickets to

1675
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 5: every UFC fight night and uh, if my twin brother

1676
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 5: is to be able to be believed, you're using my

1677
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 5: two tickets in Nashville, Tennessee this weekend. Brian Petrie, Hey,

1678
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 5: So does that mean I'm gonna see you and your wife?

1679
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, wife's coming with me. And I mean, listen, it's

1680
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: my birthday and Friday. So hopefully I get the bro

1681
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: hug the An brothers. That's what I want, That's what

1682
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: I need in my life and enjoy some fights. That's

1683
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: what I'm excited for. All Right, there's a little bit

1684
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 1: of a delay.

1685
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 5: Your mouth isn't matching up with uh with your video,

1686
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 5: but we'll have to Uh, we'll have to just fucking

1687
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 5: deal with that. But if you think that I'm just

1688
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 5: going to ignore it and let it go. You got

1689
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 5: another thing coming, Brian. I have a few things I

1690
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 5: want to ask you and Kenny about. Kenny, if I

1691
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 5: could start with you on the Derek Lewis switch knee.

1692
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes he'll open with something that looks similar

1693
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 5: to this begin a fight. I didn't have that at

1694
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 5: the tip of memory when it actually happened, you know,

1695
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 5: but I do think in some way, shape or form,

1696
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 5: this speaks to Derek Lewis's experience because he fought a

1697
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 5: very well trained and motivated and focused Marcos Sojerio Pesou

1698
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 5: de Lima, and within an instant he took any long

1699
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 5: game out of this fight with a pinpoint switch.

1700
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 6: Nick, if you can take away someone's ability to process right,

1701
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 6: if you could take away that time to think about stuff,

1702
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 6: then some people aren't going to make great decisions right now.

1703
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 6: If there's a car that is careening towards you, you

1704
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 6: don't run in the exact direction that the car is going.

1705
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 6: You get the hell out of the way. You go

1706
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 6: left or right, you don't go straight back. And for

1707
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 6: Rtario Delima, he went straight back, and Derek Lewis is

1708
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 6: basically like a car coming at you and that knee

1709
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 6: going right down the middle, and it landed beautiful. I

1710
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 6: actually thought it hit his elbow and him off balance,

1711
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 6: but when I saw the replay, it hit him right

1712
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 6: on the chain pig right.

1713
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: In my fucking mouth and mouth.

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01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 7: It was sick.

1715
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 6: And again, I think it's always surprising, similar to what

1716
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 6: I watched Yai Rodriguez. I always forget how fast he is,

1717
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 6: watching Derek Louse, you forget how sneaky athletic he is,

1718
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 6: right because you can be deceived by his physique or

1719
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 6: how you know how funny he is. And you know

1720
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 6: the boy can move, Okay, he can freaking move. And

1721
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,879
Speaker 6: he went out there and he laid it on the line.

1722
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: He had a terrible losing streak.

1723
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 6: He needed this badly, and he goes, screw it, I'm

1724
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 6: going for that flying double knee, and boy did he land.

1725
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 1: It took Jigerio de.

1726
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 6: Lima off right off his game by surprise, and so

1727
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 6: often in combat, if you take the enemy by surprise,

1728
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 6: they're gonna make bad decisions.

1729
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: And that's what happened.

1730
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 5: Unbelievable, dude, so cool, black beast bets on himself. Thirty

1731
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 5: three seconds later he's cashing in. What were your thoughts

1732
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 5: on all that noise?

1733
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he looked a little nervous the pre fight.

1734
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: I thought he was a little nervous. I saw him like,

1735
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: oh man, he's a little nervous here and then fly

1736
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: knee comes out, does the thing, knocks him out. But

1737
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I love it. I mean, listen,

1738
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 1: it makes sense that I picked de Lima and then

1739
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis goes out and wins. I can't get the

1740
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 1: guy right, no matter what, I can't get him right.

1741
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: But he looked fantastic. I love the celebration personality for days.

1742
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: I just I just discussed his options on my podcast yesterday.

1743
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's a lot of options out

1744
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 1: there for him. I think betting on himself was the

1745
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: right way to do. I know he said he wanted

1746
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: to maybe resign with the UFC, but again, there's some

1747
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: other promotions that could use him.

1748
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 5: So and the last thing I'll throw your way Brian

1749
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 5: on UFC two ninety one Gabriel Bond theme over Trevin

1750
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 5: Giles with a guillotine at one thirteen of round one.

1751
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 5: I'm sure, Kenny, you're so excited about this guy's submission

1752
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 5: game as well, and we'll get your thoughts on the

1753
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 5: back side. But gosh, this welterweight division man the young

1754
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 5: talent with Bond theme and Ian Gary and everybody else

1755
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 5: it is just absurd. I mean, we could do fucking

1756
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 5: five minutes on Roman Koppola at one hundred and eighty

1757
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 5: five pounds. But dude, right, I mean fabrio bonfeme. This

1758
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 5: dude could make you some money.

1759
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looked great. He did make me a little

1760
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: bit of money. Won the few bright spots. I'm embarrassed

1761
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: by my selections last week. That's why I got the

1762
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: backwards hat on because I'm all fucking business this week.

1763
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 1: No messing around. Uh my DraftKings bank accounts on life support.

1764
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: But Bomfrey was a few was a bright spot. I

1765
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: love his aggressive if he jumped on the guillotine without hesitation,

1766
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, Giles Kenny and I were texting. He said,

1767
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 1: Giles made a mistake, but I love how he jumped

1768
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 1: on it because that's his move. He's like, I'm going

1769
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 1: for it. There's no second guessing. There's no oh, I'm

1770
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: gonna give up position because he said, you know what,

1771
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: if I can position, I'm get back to my feet,

1772
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: or I can make this work for me. I love

1773
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: the confidence in this kid. Uh and listen, one seventy

1774
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: is again. It's it's a one thirty five is king

1775
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 1: one thirty five is great. One seventy though, I mean,

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01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: imagine Gabriel bon Fie versus were not Fuckerdenoff. I mean,

1777
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Let let let this go.

1778
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: There's some seventies that I really want to see, and

1779
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm thoroughly excited for that division.

1780
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 5: Kenny, I believe Gabrielle Bonfieme is going to be a

1781
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 5: UFC champion. He says it at twenty five years old,

1782
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 5: and I believe it. I don't even need to see

1783
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 5: him in some elongated fight. I think that he has

1784
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 5: never gone to a decision. Perhaps I'm getting away the

1785
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 5: fuck ahead of myself, but what do you have for

1786
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 5: us on bon theme in the little film that we

1787
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 5: have on him in the UFC thus far?

1788
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, he's got the youth, he's got the

1789
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,560
Speaker 6: skills everywhere, he has the confidence, he has the precision,

1790
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 6: he's got the strength and physicality is definitely there as well.

1791
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 6: And you know, it's extremely rare to finish an Armin

1792
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 6: Guillantine in the UFC. And the fact that he went

1793
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 6: forward and finished it like he did against a very

1794
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 6: experienced fighter like Giles, I think says a lot. And

1795
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 6: you know he is going to be someone to watch.

1796
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 6: For sure. He's in a division where it's just riddled

1797
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 6: with killers. Okay, so it's gonna be difficult, but uh,

1798
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 6: he is definitely a shining spot in that division. He

1799
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 6: has someone to watch, and if he does become a

1800
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 6: champion of that sport, I don't think many are going

1801
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 6: to be surprised. And I love what he said, you know,

1802
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 6: for him, you know, he's a martial artist. I think

1803
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 6: because he talks about his evolution, He's like, every time

1804
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 6: I'm in here, I'm gonna be a different dude.

1805
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: And I love that, love it.

1806
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 5: And our producer Cody Merrow has agreed to get the

1807
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 5: word bond theme tattooed on his neck if wins the world.

1808
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: Yack, Cody, he didn't know.

1809
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 5: You didn't know until just now, and now Cody knows.

1810
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: So let's go.

1811
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 5: Let us get to the pronunciation of the week as

1812
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 5: we spend it forward. UFC Fight Night Say Again versus

1813
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 5: font This fighter charged with kicking off the main card

1814
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 5: in Nashville taking on lud of Itt Klein.

1815
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna be in there for the first Prelimbriar what

1816
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be. Yeah, I'm gonna be there in the

1817
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: war Zo be in there for fight one. Yeah, yeah, sorry,

1818
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: fighters fighting Luda bit Klin.

1819
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit of a delay, It's okay. But

1820
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 5: so man, you're fighting. Uh, well you're not fighting. You're

1821
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 5: fighting at some point. But this guy in the pronunciation

1822
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 5: of the week, here's fighting Luda bit clin. He's Chile

1823
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,839
Speaker 5: and actually he's Chile's best hope for UFC golden glory.

1824
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,719
Speaker 5: Blah Muhammad's teammate, pri Who am I talking about?

1825
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 1: So I love this guy's name, best name in the UFC,

1826
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 1: And when I do his name, I do it a

1827
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 1: little sexy because it's a sexy name, right, So you

1828
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: got to go a nascila mondays.

1829
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 5: I think we're actually going to say circle gets a

1830
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 5: square for that, because I couldn't tell if you got

1831
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 5: it right because of the sexiess his nickname is Lahala,

1832
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 5: which translates to the cage. But uh, the one thing

1833
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 5: that we want to point out from the file you

1834
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 5: will hear is how you pronounce like syllable number three.

1835
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 5: I believe it is, so Cody, why don't you can

1836
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 5: bang that file for us if you would?

1837
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 8: Nacio la Houla ba Ahmunds Nacio la houla ba ahmunds.

1838
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 5: All right, So what the Chileans would like you to know.

1839
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 5: It's that second syllable ah, not ha, even though you

1840
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 5: see the h, right. So that's why again we're this

1841
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 5: is a public service here right, this radio show, right,

1842
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 5: we're trying to inform the people who are all going

1843
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 5: to be watching Ignacio bah Amundes can flow, Kenny, I

1844
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 5: don't know if you could tell us why that h

1845
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 5: is silent, but the important point on this athlete is

1846
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 5: that it is baja mundes and not baha mondes.

1847
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: You got it.

1848
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 6: I can't really do a great job explaining it, but

1849
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 6: that's the pronunciation, man bad.

1850
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 1: All right, let us update the standings.

1851
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 5: Team Petrie has the lead still by five hundred and

1852
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 5: eighty American dollars. If you both were over five hundred,

1853
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 5: both in terms of the record and the money four

1854
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 5: and three for Petrie plus one hundred and ten dollars

1855
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 5: that included a two unit banger on Alex Padata. Kenny

1856
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 5: also four and three plus sixty dollars for the week overall,

1857
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 5: Team Petrie minus twenty five ninety five, Team Florian minus

1858
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,560
Speaker 5: thirty one seventy five, No decimals.

1859
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 1: Here we go, folks.

1860
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 5: We begin UFC Fight Night San Haagen versus font Saturday

1861
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 5: night on ESPN, and then on the back end we

1862
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 5: will get a prediction on Jake Paul and Nate Diaz.

1863
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 5: We'll pick a prelim today because Billy Cornteller was just

1864
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 5: on the Anakin Florin podcast. We're going to pick his

1865
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 5: fight here against Damon Jackson, and then we'll get to

1866
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 5: the entire six fight main card. Hope you guys don't

1867
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 5: have any plans. Top of the hour Billy Corntello minus

1868
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 5: one seventy Damon Jackson plus one forty five. So Billy

1869
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 5: Q needs a big response here. Boys fell shorten his

1870
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 5: co Maine Events a lot against Edson. Barbosa had him

1871
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 5: on our show at International Fight Week. Here's what he

1872
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 5: had to say about the matchup with one Damon Jackson.

1873
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 9: Gets Spi've got a huge matchup against Damon Jackson. We're

1874
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 9: two guys coming up big losses to top fifteen guys,

1875
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 9: so I think we're like right on the cusp of

1876
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 9: we can both we can both either one of us

1877
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 9: can win this fight and get another chance in the

1878
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 9: top fifteen. We both lost in the co main event,

1879
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 9: so you know, we got to kind of fight to

1880
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 9: get our spots back. So I'm really looking forward to it.

1881
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 9: It's a great matchup for me. It's an exciting fight.

1882
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 9: I'm going from fighting Edson Barbosa, it was a really

1883
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 9: good striker to fighting Damon Jackson, who just really wants

1884
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 9: to grapple, wants to submit. I think he's got fifteen submissions.

1885
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 9: I've never been submitted. I'm I'm a black bell in

1886
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 9: jiu jitsu. I pride myself on doing really well in

1887
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 9: the ground. So it's just been a really good training

1888
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 9: camps of our a lot of grappling at a lot

1889
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 9: of high level wrestling, and I'm just super excited to

1890
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 9: get back in there and kind of redeem myself a

1891
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 9: little bit.

1892
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: Well that's Billy c Your thoughts on him here, Brian

1893
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: Petrie against Damon Jackson. Yeah, I love Billy que Pressure, pressure,

1894
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,040
Speaker 1: pressure makes diamonds. This guy, that's what he is. In

1895
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 1: your face. He goes after you, Cardio no problem. You know,

1896
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't have the biggest power in the world, but

1897
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: it's a lot of accumulation punches. He'll mix up his

1898
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: takedowns very well, and he's tough as nails. I was

1899
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: actually surprised that, you know, he got clipped by Barboza

1900
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 1: so early. That's going to happened when you find a

1901
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 1: guy like guys and Barboza and Damon Jackson. He's a

1902
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 1: surprise to me. This is a guy who I had

1903
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: written off a few times, but he is a little

1904
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: bit of a surprise. He's dangerous out there. Problem is is,

1905
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: I do think he slows down quite a bit towards

1906
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: end of the fight, and I think that's gonna be

1907
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: the problem here. I like Billy Q. I like Billy

1908
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: Q late here, give me billy Q one for one

1909
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: for Longo kind of a long go guy, not really

1910
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: kind of, but let's go Billy Que.

1911
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 5: Damn Jackson on the other side, Campo thirty four years

1912
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 5: of age, eleventh UFC appearance for him, knocked out by

1913
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 5: Danny Gay last time out in January that ended his

1914
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 5: winning streak at four is only lost In the last

1915
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 5: six years have been two high level guys Ega and

1916
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 5: then two guys who are undefeated Ilya to Portia, and

1917
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 5: then a guy you know, mav Leid Kaibulaev. So we'll

1918
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 5: see what dj has here in the role underdog against

1919
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 5: Billy Corntello Ken Flow.

1920
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 1: Which way you go.

1921
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 6: David's something, He's tall, he's lanky. I think he's made

1922
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 6: some improvements training with Safe, you know, with the striking

1923
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 6: and all that stuff. But I think he's up against

1924
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 6: a very tough Billy Q who's going to be clearly

1925
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 6: very motivated in this one. Billy Q is gonna come

1926
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 6: to fight every single time out. You know, He's going

1927
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 6: to be looking for the finish every single time out

1928
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 6: as well. I think he has the wrestling to kind

1929
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 6: of slow down Damon Jackson or at least prevent a

1930
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 6: lot of those takedowns that if Damon does get the takedown,

1931
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 6: Billy Q is comfident enough to either get back to

1932
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 6: his feet or to you know, create these scrambles and

1933
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 6: things like that. So I like Billy Q here as well.

1934
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 6: I just think his striking and his motor is going

1935
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 6: to be the difference here, all right.

1936
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 5: That brings us to the main card opener and the

1937
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 5: lightweight division. The aforementioned Ignaci obam Mondes minus two h

1938
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 5: five Ludovic Kleine plus one seventy five Ludavi. It's kind

1939
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 5: of fun to say, Brian, he's coming off a draw

1940
01:31:58,080 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 5: with Jai Herbert at USC two eighty six and Mark

1941
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 5: Bob Monday's streaking. He's won his last three after a

1942
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 5: loss memorably though, and hiss UFC debut against John MACDESI

1943
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 5: which way you're going here? Brian Patriot A buck fifty five.

1944
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 1: Love this fight because I think a Nasio ball Monday's again.

1945
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: You got to get sexy with it just a little

1946
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: bit there. I mean, if the H though, you still

1947
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 1: got to drop the H. All right. I was gonna

1948
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 1: say like I did a twenty three and it came

1949
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: back and it just said white. Right, I'm just a

1950
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: white guy. Right, So I can't name my unborn son Nasio.

1951
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 1: But if I get in next, I'm done with kids.

1952
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: I got two girls, so if I get a dog,

1953
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a Nazi. I love the names, and

1954
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: I love this fight for him. I'm very confident in

1955
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: his fight. This is a kid who's got great takedown defense.

1956
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 1: That's been his problem before he came to the UFC.

1957
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: And he's dangerous on the feet, long limbs, long kicks,

1958
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 1: good punches, he's got power, he's got a chin. He

1959
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 1: learned his lesson in the mcdessie fight. I just saw

1960
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: the chat look and he said, sorry, that's kid. I

1961
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 1: watched fights with buddies and they were saying that to me.

1962
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: On side. It's it's catching on boys anyway, Anasio, I

1963
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 1: think he's gonna keep this fight standing.

1964
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 6: Ludle toit.

1965
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 3: Clin.

1966
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: You know, he is a kickbox. He likes to stand up,

1967
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 1: but his hands are his kick. His hands set up

1968
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: his kicks. His kicks are more prevalent, and he'd like

1969
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: to take down. I think he put on his resting

1970
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: hue of this camp. I think he wants to get

1971
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 1: Bahamandas down, which is a lot easier saiding done. Bahamandez

1972
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: does have some jokes. He's training with some great guys.

1973
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 1: I like Bamandez here. I like the number as well.

1974
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 1: I think there's a low enough number to really hammer.

1975
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go five unis because I got

1976
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: another play on the car with a five unie slam

1977
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 1: of Jama. But give me a Nazio for this one,

1978
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: because I think he's gonna get done.

1979
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 5: Nacho is the nickname, so that's how we'll be punctuating

1980
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 5: a call Nacho Bamndez. If indeed he gets it done

1981
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 5: over a little bit. Clin Kenny, what he have for

1982
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 5: us on this one, kid?

1983
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't have a whole lot to add.

1984
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 6: I think for Klein, I'm always expecting to see this

1985
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 6: sharp striking, and I don't quite see that. It's not

1986
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 6: as potent as I would like to see. You don't

1987
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 6: see those sharp knockouts. I think if I saw that,

1988
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 6: I maybe give him a little bit of an edge.

1989
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 6: But I like Paul Mondays here as well, so I

1990
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 6: think his overall game is gonna be the difference, all right.

1991
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 5: Next up light heavyweight division, Tanner the Bulldozer Boser minus

1992
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 5: one sixty five, Alexa Camra plus one forty excuse me, Camra.

1993
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 5: Brian has not fought since June twenty twenty one, loss

1994
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 5: to split to Nicolin negu Medianu. Boser's UFULY light heavyweight

1995
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 5: debut not this one. It was in April and it

1996
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 5: didn't go particularly well. He was knocked out by Ewan

1997
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 5: Kutta Laba. Now he draws camera, looking to avoid a

1998
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:36,759
Speaker 5: third straight loss and potentially keep his jobs. Brian job, Briy,

1999
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 5: you're going with Boser the favorite or Camera the dog?

2000
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 5: You know I'm an Ohio guy just like Camera, So

2001
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 5: I think I'm allowed to bus his buzzle a bit.

2002
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 1: I'm the biggest fan there is. I didn't know he's

2003
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 1: doing in the UFC. It's been a while since he's

2004
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: shown his face and listen, he's a strike crawt, hardy.

2005
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 1: He has problems getting taken down. I think this is

2006
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: gonna be a strike. Last year, Bowser got clipped early.

2007
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 1: I was all over him. He looked in great shape

2008
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 1: against Utalaba, got clipped. You can't get clipped by that guy.

2009
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna happen. I like Bozer here. I like Boser.

2010
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 1: I like the Kentucky Waterfall haircut. Still, he's getting a

2011
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 1: little mean online. He's going off, there's posting videos, getting

2012
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 1: kind of mean about some stuff. So maybe he'll take

2013
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: that anger into this fight here. I like Boser big

2014
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 1: in this fight. Probably maybe looking for a stoppage as well. Yeah,

2015
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: Boser's got an edge to him, there's no doubt about it.

2016
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 1: Can flow Tanner, Boser, Alexa, camer who do you like?

2017
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2018
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 1: You know from Boser.

2019
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 6: I want to see kind of better decisions during fights though,

2020
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 6: because he really does have a lot of potential. I

2021
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 6: think he moves really well, and I've been kind of

2022
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 6: waiting to see him kind of climb a little bit

2023
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 6: more and put it together, and I haven't quite seen that.

2024
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 6: So picking a Tanner Boser fight correctly has also been

2025
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 6: a challenge for me, similar to Derek Lewis. However, I'm

2026
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 6: just gonna make another mistake here. Let's go with Tanner Boser.

2027
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 10: No.

2028
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 6: I think Boser is the better fighter at the end

2029
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 6: of the day, you know, I think for camera, there's

2030
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 6: not a whole lot where I could say, ah, he's

2031
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,919
Speaker 6: got the edge here or he's way better in this domain.

2032
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 6: I think it's Tanner Boser's fight to lose. So give

2033
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 6: me Tanner all right.

2034
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:09,719
Speaker 5: Next main card matchup in Nashville, live on ESPN this weekend,

2035
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 5: comes your way at featherweight Diego Lopez minus one thirty

2036
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,719
Speaker 5: Gavin Govnor Tucker plus one ten.

2037
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 1: Kenny will lead with you here. Lopez back after.

2038
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 5: That unbelievably memorable UFC debut on short notice against movsarr Ivloyev,

2039
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 5: and that was only about seven weeks ago UFC two

2040
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 5: eighty eight. That was so special that he's getting the

2041
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 5: red corner against the guy who's been in the UFC

2042
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 5: for a while. Gavin Tucker, Kenny, he is sort of underachieved,

2043
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 5: I think relative to expectations. For a time, looked like

2044
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 5: maybe he could carry the torch for Canada, perhaps can

2045
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 5: begin a run here. But he's now thirty seven. Tucker

2046
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 5: Lopez under the lights, close on paper who he had?

2047
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think that light last fight for

2048
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 6: Lopez against if Looyev really was a coming out party

2049
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 6: for him, even though it was a loss.

2050
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: And it kind of reminded me when I fought Sean Chirk.

2051
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 6: I got my ass kicked, but it showed that, hey,

2052
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 6: you know, Kenny might be he might be able to fight,

2053
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 6: he might find some success in the UFC. He's got

2054
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 6: some skills, you know. And I thought he did really well.

2055
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 6: He had Ivloyev in some really tough spots. I think

2056
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 6: his striking is very good. I think his grappling is

2057
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 6: very good as well. Tucker is good too. He's good

2058
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 6: as a grappler. He's good as a striker overall. But

2059
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,560
Speaker 6: we never know, you know, how people come back after knockouts,

2060
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 6: and that was a brutal knockout against Dan Egay, And

2061
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 6: I thought Tucker was gonna give him a much better go.

2062
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 6: What happens for Tucker's he goes a little bit too

2063
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 6: in a straight line when he goes to attack, and

2064
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 6: I think, if you're doing that too much at the

2065
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 6: high levels of the UFC, you're gonna get caught with

2066
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 6: big stuff. And I think Diego Lopez, I don't know

2067
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:45,640
Speaker 6: if he has that same kind of power that Dan

2068
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 6: Ega does, but I don't think that's a recipe for

2069
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 6: success against someone like Diego Lopez, who has some really

2070
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 6: good skills in a lot of different areas.

2071
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 1: So give me Lopez here.

2072
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 5: That loss to Dan egay by Gavin Tucker twenty two

2073
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 5: second KO two and a half years ago. Tucker had

2074
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 5: won three in a row, coming in Brian Petrie. But

2075
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 5: Diego Lopez kind of all the rage right now on

2076
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:13,560
Speaker 5: the underground circles. Your thoughts on this one here Lopez

2077
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:14,879
Speaker 5: and Tucker at featherweight.

2078
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 1: I like Lopez on the Contender series when you lost

2079
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 1: to Johannes and Berta. I think the guy has some

2080
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: real skills and people love him. His records good, he's

2081
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 1: fough good people. The Evil Left fight was everyone opened

2082
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 1: his eyes like this guy took this on short notice.

2083
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,919
Speaker 1: I mean, what the fuck, But man, Gavin Tucker's a grinder.

2084
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 1: Gavin Tucker, you know, he reminds me a lot of

2085
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 1: Sean Brady. Looks like him, kind of fights like him.

2086
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 1: He can box a little bit, but he really good

2087
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 1: at taking you down. Lopez is good off his back,

2088
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 1: he's good on top. But I think Gavin Tucker plays

2089
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 1: it safe. I see a decision win here. The only

2090
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:45,679
Speaker 1: reason I'm not loading up with Gavin Tucker is because

2091
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 1: he's been away for so long. It's very inconsistent. The

2092
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 1: guy needs to fight. He's not a young dude. He's

2093
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 1: thirty six, thirty seven, you know, time to start moving here, Bud.

2094
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's injuries or what, or taking

2095
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 1: him out of the OC, but I like Gavin Tucker

2096
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,759
Speaker 1: at the dog price. I think he's gonna win by decision,

2097
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 1: all right.

2098
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 5: Next fight featured bout in a big fight at light heavyweight.

2099
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:07,839
Speaker 5: Fifteenth ranked Kennedy in zecha Ku modus one fifty, number fourteen.

2100
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,600
Speaker 5: Dustin Jacoby is plus one thirty the Nigerian and Zechiku

2101
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 5: really coming into his own six and three in the UFC,

2102
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 5: but he's won three in a row. Hardest worker in

2103
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 5: the room. On the other side, Jacoby, great dude, great kickboxer,

2104
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 5: the fucking hon yak Mark Montoya Train twelfth UFC appearance

2105
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 5: for him coming off a loss against Ozamont Murza Khanov

2106
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:27,719
Speaker 5: April fifteenth, BP.

2107
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 1: Who do you have toughest fight to pick on the card?

2108
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 1: For me, I've been going back all morning on this

2109
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: fight because I don't know what's gonna happen. What I

2110
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 1: do know, and this isn't the purpose for us. This

2111
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: is far as one for listeners over two and a

2112
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:42,680
Speaker 1: half on DraftKings Sportsbooks minus one thirty y sledgehammer that

2113
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: because I think these boys are going to a decision here.

2114
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a kickboxing fight. I think

2115
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna stay on the feed. I think Kenny's gould

2116
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 1: use his range. I think Dustin Jacoby sometimes he needs

2117
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: to pick it up a little more, but he's very

2118
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:55,680
Speaker 1: good to feed, very good kicks. Kenny's I think got

2119
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:57,600
Speaker 1: the power edge. He's also mixing some takedowns on the

2120
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: cardio advantage. I really don't know which way's gon to go,

2121
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 1: and that happens, I go dog, So give me Dustin Jacoby.

2122
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: I wish you would change his name to Justin Jacoby

2123
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:08,639
Speaker 1: so he can go JJ. But I guess DJ's pretty

2124
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 1: cool too. Give me Dustin by decision. I'm not confident,

2125
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 1: but that's what we play. Bat Here we go gamble.

2126
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:16,799
Speaker 1: Let's gamble, baby, Kenny.

2127
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 5: Seems like you maybe had a hard time predicting this

2128
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 5: one as well. You have anything for us on In

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01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:22,680
Speaker 5: Zecha Ku and Jacoby?

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01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: I did? I did. Man.

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01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 6: Here's my reason why I'm going Dustin Jacoby. Okay, I

2132
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 6: think that at Zecha Ku might be the more dangerous

2133
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:34,560
Speaker 6: guy in some ways as far as maybe finishing ability,

2134
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 6: but also I also think he's more vulnerable than dust

2135
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 6: and Jacoby.

2136
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: I don't think Jacoby.

2137
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 6: Makes as many in fight mistakes as much as as

2138
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 6: Zecha Ku. So for that reason, I'm going with Jacoby

2139
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 6: and the fact that he's the underdog here. It is

2140
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 6: really close. I'm gonna lean towards the underdog many times

2141
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 6: when that's the case. So yeah, give me give me Jacoby.

2142
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: All right.

2143
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 5: That brings us to the co main event at stro

2144
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:05,719
Speaker 5: weight Tatiana Suarez minus three to ninety against Jessica and Josh,

2145
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 5: who comes back plus three twenty. So Brian Swuarez ended

2146
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 5: her three year hiatus quite well submission win over Montana

2147
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:14,760
Speaker 5: d La Rosa that was at flyweight. Now she's back

2148
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 5: to one hundred and fifteen pounds faces the former Champondrage.

2149
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,719
Speaker 5: Suarez accomplished freestyle wrestler thirty two years of age now

2150
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 5: and on the other side, on Drash has lost two

2151
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:25,640
Speaker 5: in a row. This is her fourth start of the

2152
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 5: year and we're not even at August, but we will

2153
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 5: be on Saturday Night comin event. Brian Petree, who do

2154
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 5: you have?

2155
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2156
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 1: So I did to do this a little bit on

2157
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 1: my show because earlier in the year I was terrible

2158
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:37,799
Speaker 1: at picking women's in MA so I go, I know chicks,

2159
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: you know, I said, I know chicks, right, and it's

2160
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 1: been picking steam. People like it, and I've been winning fights.

2161
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: So this is the VP no shicks fight right here.

2162
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 1: I love this fight. I love jesscon Drash. She's a llegend.

2163
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 1: She's younger than Tatiana Suarez, which is mind blowing. Suarez,

2164
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 1: who I'm huge on. I think Cody probably has a

2165
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: shirt off right now well as we're talking about Tatiano Suarez,

2166
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,639
Speaker 1: because I know he loves her as well. I think

2167
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 1: she would be champion if she'd have a next injury,

2168
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 1: if she didn't, if she'd have the neck injury in

2169
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 1: Scott's sidelined, she would be champion in my opinion. She's

2170
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 1: got the wrestling, she's got the links, she's got the

2171
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 1: good people around him. Her boyfriend's Paty Mix. He's teaching

2172
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 1: all those sick ass chokes. I love Topiana Squarrez. I

2173
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 1: think this is gonna be an awesome fight. Problem is

2174
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: just gonna drage. You know, you got someone who's been

2175
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:19,680
Speaker 1: out for a little bit, who's who's starting to kind

2176
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 1: of pick up Stephen Suarez, and he got on Rodge,

2177
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 1: who might be just running ragged. She is just so

2178
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 1: many fights, so back to back, and two back to

2179
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 1: back losses. Before that, she threw like two hundred something

2180
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 1: strikes or maybe more landed two hundred strikes against Lauren Murphy.

2181
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 1: I wish someone was in her camp that just said, hey, listen,

2182
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 1: you're a legend. We don't need you to fight every month.

2183
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 1: Let's hit pause. Let's hit pause on that a little bit.

2184
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 1: But you know that's her. She's a savage. She got there,

2185
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:45,679
Speaker 1: She's gonna fight. I think this stylistically a bad matchup

2186
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:47,639
Speaker 1: for I think Onroge has good take down the fence,

2187
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 1: but when she gets taken down on her back, it's

2188
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 1: a problem. Swarz is going to take her down. That's

2189
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 1: why we're unloading the truck. We're pulling the bags out.

2190
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:57,919
Speaker 1: Five you and he played on top Toianda Swards.

2191
01:42:58,479 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 6: I know checks, babe, let's go.

2192
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh.

2193
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 5: Historically, MMA on the women's side can be hard for

2194
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 5: a lot of people to handicap.

2195
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm just doing the math.

2196
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:09,679
Speaker 5: That is nineteen hundred and fifty dollars on Tatiana Suarez

2197
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 5: to yield five hundred ken flow Jessconjrage returning pretty quickly

2198
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 5: here after the knockout lost toon Shao Nan that was

2199
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 5: at UFC two to eighty eight. What kind of chance

2200
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:20,840
Speaker 5: you give her against Suarez? And ultimately who do you pick?

2201
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:26,760
Speaker 6: Great matchup for Suarez, terrible matchup for Onrage. I think

2202
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 6: that Onrage does she have power? Does she have knockout power? Absolutely?

2203
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 6: She can maybe clip the chin of Suarez and take

2204
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 6: her out, But she does her best work when she

2205
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 6: gets the takedowns, as she beats you up.

2206
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 1: With her ground and pound.

2207
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 6: I don't see that happening here against Suarez, who is

2208
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,640
Speaker 6: an absolute savage when it comes to takedowns, perhaps the

2209
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:50,759
Speaker 6: best female takedown artist in the game today. So yeah,

2210
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 6: I like Suarez. I also had plus five units on

2211
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 6: my phone here, and I'm not gonna let this guy

2212
01:43:58,160 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 6: get ahead of me because you know, I got a

2213
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 6: it's those five units, because this guy would just start

2214
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,879
Speaker 6: running away from me. So you five units on Suarez

2215
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 6: as well. I just think it's a it's a great

2216
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 6: matchup for I see her taking her down and that's

2217
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:12,600
Speaker 6: where Andraja is going to be very vulnerable.

2218
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 1: All right.

2219
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,320
Speaker 5: Right back to ken Flow now on the main event

2220
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 5: in the UFC's bantamweight division, number four Corey Sanhagen minus

2221
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 5: two to eighty five seventh ranked Rob Font is plus

2222
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 5: two forty Kenny, So Font stepping in here for Umar

2223
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:29,880
Speaker 5: and Rimago meta. Perhaps the step up step in plays

2224
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:31,759
Speaker 5: into the price a little bit and the wide nature

2225
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:34,040
Speaker 5: of it. Perhaps it's just that san Haagan is that good,

2226
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:36,599
Speaker 5: But Font was preparing for Song You Dong in Boston

2227
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 5: two weeks later August nineteenth, and having nothing to do

2228
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 5: with the rankings. This is obviously a much bigger opportunity

2229
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 5: and name and fight for Rob font even if it

2230
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 5: doesn't come in his hometown. San Haagan is a guy, Kenny,

2231
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:50,760
Speaker 5: I know you admire a ton as well. So it's

2232
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 5: a huge fight. At one hundred and thirty five pounds,

2233
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 5: boys can flow on which side do you fall?

2234
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 6: This is one of those fights similar to Dustin Poier

2235
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 6: and Justin Gaishi, where you can't hate either of these guys.

2236
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 6: Both of these guys are super likable. I admire both

2237
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 6: of them and their skills. I think maybe the difference

2238
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 6: I think with these guys, I think Rob Fought is

2239
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 6: a little bit more potent with his striking in that

2240
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 6: he's got a little bit more power in his hands. Sanhagen,

2241
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:20,799
Speaker 6: the thing that stands out for me when he fights

2242
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,600
Speaker 6: in his approach and what he talks is his intelligence.

2243
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 6: So you know, Sanhagan also very tall, lanky. For the

2244
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 6: division has so many movements, so many weapons that can

2245
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 6: fry the computer of any fighter out there at one

2246
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:36,679
Speaker 6: hundred and thirty five pounds, and I think for Rob

2247
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 6: it's very difficult for him to take this fight on

2248
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 6: short notice, completely different fight, five rounds. I think that's

2249
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 6: a lot to ask at this level of fighting, and

2250
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 6: that's why I have San Haagen here. I think if

2251
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 6: Sanhagen is able to finish someone like Rob Thought, that

2252
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 6: would be a huge feather in his cap It would

2253
01:45:56,560 --> 01:46:00,200
Speaker 6: be extremely impressive. I think most likely it probably go

2254
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 6: sit decision. Rob fought is so tough, he's so technical,

2255
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 6: He's extremely dangerous. So San Haagan better be on top

2256
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:10,640
Speaker 6: of his game here. But I like Corey here. I

2257
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:13,600
Speaker 6: just think his length, the time frame in which this

2258
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 6: fight was put together gives him a big advantage here.

2259
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 6: So I can't wait for this fight. This is this

2260
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:22,120
Speaker 6: is high level MBA right here, So I can't wait

2261
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 6: for it.

2262
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:26,839
Speaker 5: Ryan Patrieck, San Hagan, Font man a Fat Nashville, Tennessee.

2263
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 1: You'll be in the building with me, live for who

2264
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,559
Speaker 1: you have. I can't wait for this fight. I mean

2265
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 1: it's I'm bummed Umar is not here because I wanted

2266
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 1: to see Umer get that test. I also want to

2267
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:36,920
Speaker 1: see Corey get the test of a grappler, because that's

2268
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 1: the big thing. Is like can he you know, because

2269
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 1: we also what Aljo did to him. But I love

2270
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 1: this fight. This is striking bout it. I think font

2271
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 1: has the better boxing, like Kenny said, a little bit

2272
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: more power, but Sanagan mixes everything so well, and he's

2273
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 1: so smart, and everything's a read and everything's a set up,

2274
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:52,600
Speaker 1: and like Kenny said, he's frying the you know, the

2275
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 1: other chip on the computer. And he's really intelligent. He's

2276
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 1: a joy to watch and I love that he's mixing

2277
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: things up. You look at a song, you know on

2278
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: fight he's going to or takedowns. Physically, the way his

2279
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: body looks, he's really matured. I think he went out

2280
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 1: to Tiel in some of this fight as well. He's

2281
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:09,200
Speaker 1: getting getting his skills sharp here. I can't wait. This

2282
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 1: is gonna be a chess match. I think this is

2283
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:14,679
Speaker 1: an unbelievable fight. I like Corey here, but Rob fonts

2284
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 1: a great dog number. You know, you up in Rob

2285
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 1: Falk's chest up, there's four dogs sitting right there. The

2286
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 1: guy's got top five toughest guys in you UFC Chin

2287
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,719
Speaker 1: for days, hard for days, won't give up on himself.

2288
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 1: Look what he did with Younz. This up and coming

2289
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 1: stud goes out there and goes, Hey, levels bro right

2290
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 1: and he just seems like a good dude. Font That

2291
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 1: is so. I like Corey here, but I wouldn't be

2292
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:37,880
Speaker 1: surprised if Fonk comes out here and shows up and

2293
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 1: really delivers a fight for the fans, and I can't wait.

2294
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on the edge of my seat. But yeah,

2295
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:45,679
Speaker 1: the pic of Sanhagan just a little more polished everywhere,

2296
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 1: I think.

2297
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 5: All right, Probably any prelim selections before I get to

2298
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 5: Jake Paul and Nath Dz.

2299
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 1: I do not because we were gonna do the Paul

2300
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 1: Dz fight, So I don't have any prelimbs.

2301
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 5: All right, let me get to it. Jake Paul minus

2302
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:58,840
Speaker 5: three seventy right now on Draft Kings Sportsbook. He come

2303
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,720
Speaker 5: back on nath ds plus to sixty five. So Jake

2304
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 5: Paul made his pro boxing debut January of twenty twenty.

2305
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:07,799
Speaker 5: He is now six and one, coming off that split

2306
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:11,679
Speaker 5: decision loss to Tommy fury Diz less than a year ago,

2307
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:15,439
Speaker 5: was competing in his thirty fourth pro MMA fight. Submission

2308
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 5: went over Tony Ferguson. He was bonus for that. By

2309
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 5: the way, UFC two to seventy night, and this was

2310
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,879
Speaker 5: a night on which he was to face Kamzat Chimayav

2311
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 5: and I bring Kamzat up because Nate was plus seven

2312
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 5: hundred against Kamzat Chimayav. He's only plus two sixty five

2313
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:33,240
Speaker 5: here against Jake Paul. Any value on DZ for you,

2314
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 5: Brian Petrie and ultimately, who do you like?

2315
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, listen, I'm not one of those

2316
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 1: guys as like very anti Jake Paul. Like listen, what

2317
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 1: I think the kid's doing is is unique.

2318
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 3: Right.

2319
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 1: This is a millionaire kid that could be banging any

2320
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:45,879
Speaker 1: bra in the world, sitting there, putting up those Disney

2321
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 1: YouTube bullshits, right and make twenty million bucks.

2322
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 6: He decides a fight, right.

2323
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:51,519
Speaker 1: I like that. I respect that. He seems to be

2324
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 1: in great shape. He's a big kid as well. He's

2325
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 1: not small. Nathie is tall, but nath Deez isn't the

2326
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 1: thickest guy. Nathiezn't been boxing forever. He's brought in some

2327
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:00,840
Speaker 1: good boxing guy in this camp. There's a lot of

2328
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 1: Reddit rumors going around about you know, who he sparred

2329
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:05,080
Speaker 1: and how it did or whatever. It doesn't matter. And

2330
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 1: and Nate. I don't know if you guys have caught

2331
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 1: Nate promoting this fight, but it's very odd like the

2332
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 1: way he's doing it. He's saying he's fighting Jake Paul's

2333
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 1: he made fun of Connor's wife, and he's honoring Connor,

2334
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 1: and he's like, if you don't want to watch, don't watch.

2335
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 1: He's like co promoting. It's it's very odd, but very

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Speaker 1: on brand. The Daz saying all that I'm going Nate

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Speaker 1: Dz plus money. I think the ten rounds is gonna

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Speaker 1: be good for Nake Dz. I think early it's gonna

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01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 1: be like Leon Edwards fight. He's gona get knocked around

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01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 1: the early rounds and then that Cardio never fails. He's

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01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:35,200
Speaker 1: going to touch the body, he's gonna come forward. And

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Speaker 1: when you're giving me a plus money, I mean I'm

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01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 1: gonna take it, you know. And some people are putting

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Speaker 1: this Mmaver's boxing, which I mean, I don't believe that's true.

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Speaker 1: But if we're going to do that, I'm MMA all day.

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Speaker 1: So give me Nath Diaz BIB.

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Speaker 5: Plus two sixty five kenny for Nate Diaz or Jake

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Speaker 5: Paul minus three seventy. Of course you can abstain as well,

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Speaker 5: any action for you on this one.

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Speaker 6: You know, no action for me on this one. But

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01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 6: I do think that for Jake Paul, he's got a

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01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:06,160
Speaker 6: good shot early in this fight. That's his best chance.

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01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:09,480
Speaker 6: I think catch Nate Diez early. Nate Diz tends to

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01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 6: require a warm up. Once he gets heated up and

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01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 6: he sees you're tired, he brings it and then he

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Speaker 6: takes you out or at the very least overwhelms you.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's the case here. If there is

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Speaker 6: a sixth rounder, like we've said, I think Jake Paul

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01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,920
Speaker 6: has fought before. I think Jake has a better chance

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Speaker 6: ten rounder. I think that definitely favors Nat as one

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Speaker 6: hundred percent. And I think an Mma camp tends to

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01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 6: have that wear and tear over Nate Diez over the

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Speaker 6: course of his career. I think, you know, I think

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Speaker 6: that's the kind of stuff that's gonna, you know, beat

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01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:42,639
Speaker 6: down your body a lot more. And I've said this before,

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Speaker 6: I think boxing is one of the best parts of

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01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 6: Nate Diez his game, just throwing hands, just having to

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Speaker 6: worry about hands.

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Speaker 1: I think Nate's used to that.

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Speaker 6: So I think Nate definitely is the pick here, especially

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01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 6: with those kind of odds being the underdog.

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Speaker 1: I like Nate Diez here as well. Nice well. A

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Speaker 1: lot of the profibers I'm hearing from did we pick

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Speaker 1: every fight the same Brian, I got it written down

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01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 1: here and no Tucker and Lopez. That's different.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, more from Brian Petree on his own show,

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Speaker 5: MMA Takes Podcast at Brian Petrie MMA on X. Have

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Speaker 5: a great night, better week, and we will talk to

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Speaker 5: you next week, my brother.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll see this weekend, Johnny, see you boys,

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Speaker 1: Text me later.

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Speaker 3: Kid.

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Speaker 5: Brian Petrie gonna be with us in the building in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: If you want to get a picture and believe us

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Speaker 5: he's six foot three inches tall. You can see Kenny

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Speaker 5: Florian in San Antonio at PFL seven this Friday night

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Speaker 5: if you would like. Bubba Jenkins and Josh Soveada will

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Speaker 5: also be there. Sunday, August sixth, Ken Flow will be

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Speaker 5: back in Brookline, Massachusetts at the Florid and Martial Arts

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Speaker 5: Center right there on Webster Street if you want to

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Speaker 5: see him in the flesh and at floriinpodcast dot com

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Speaker 5: is live Kenny Floridmartial Arts dot com.

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Speaker 1: And we're back with you in a few days. It

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Speaker 1: might be me and long Ago early next week, and

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Speaker 1: then of course we will have predictions for Becent de

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Speaker 1: Luke and Halfael Dosanjos from Ken Flow and Brian Petrie

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Speaker 1: later in the week. Thank you to our guest Petrie

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Speaker 1: and Ray Longo, our executive producer Cody Merrow putting up

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Speaker 1: with all of us over the last several hours. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate that as well.

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Speaker 5: Everybody at DraftKings, thank you too, and thanks all the

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Speaker 5: UFC fans in Salt Lake City for just making me

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Speaker 5: feel like a million bucks. I take that right to

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Speaker 5: the hot and I take all that confidence into the

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Speaker 5: booth in Nashville, Tennessee this weekend. With that, Ken Flow,

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Speaker 5: have a great call. We will see you next week

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Speaker 5: for Kenny Floryd and I'm John Anak. Thank you all

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Speaker 5: for listening, for watching. We talk to him less than

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Speaker 5: a week until then, you'll fucking later.

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Speaker 10: Does Don down, the does Don down down down, the

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Speaker 10: does Don down, the does.

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Speaker 8: Don down, the.

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Speaker 10: Does Don down, the dou don doun the toun a

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Speaker 10: barn down downs, a barn down downs, the