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Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to Bring Points. Emily. How you doing,

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: How is Portugal lovely? I don't doubt that quite lovely.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an evergreen statement on Portugal, Big back, big show,

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Speaker 5: Big show. Because Mohammed ben Salmon was at the White

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Speaker 5: House yesterday and in a very newsy series of pressers.

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Speaker 5: So there was the dinner that we are going to

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Speaker 5: break down for everyone, but also his parents of the

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Speaker 5: Oval Office with Donald Trump, where Trump fielded questions from reporters.

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Speaker 4: They stroked each other's hands.

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Speaker 6: Sure, did no fist bumps, right, yeah, no bro schow

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Speaker 6: bumps for those.

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Speaker 4: Two terrorist fist jabs? Is that what that was? That

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Speaker 4: was Obama?

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Speaker 3: They live, they lived for the handshake.

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Speaker 4: They lived for the handshake.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: And Ryan new Epstein reporting from drops It.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yesterday the House voted almost unanimously right to force

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Speaker 6: the administration to release Epstein files. That will now that

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Speaker 6: fight moves over to the Senate at drop Scene, drop Scene,

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Speaker 6: drops Site.

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Speaker 4: That the first time that's happened.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we have new reporting.

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Speaker 6: Uh that is difficult to describe without sounding like a lunatic,

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Speaker 6: but it's all based in real documents and correspondence between

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Speaker 6: Epstein and others.

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Speaker 3: And we'll break break some of that down.

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Speaker 6: That media continues to find it's it's blinders on when

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Speaker 6: it comes to trying to figure out what it was Epstein.

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Speaker 3: Did for a living. It's great for drops It, just

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Speaker 3: can't figure it out. It's such a mystery.

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Speaker 4: They're leaving it wide open.

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Speaker 3: Fleot.

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Speaker 6: Let's not look in the documents and in the correspondence

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Speaker 6: to figure it out, because who can say what he did?

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Speaker 3: Who could say?

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Speaker 4: Who wouldn't want to do that level of journalism?

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Speaker 3: We could say stick around.

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Speaker 6: We'll talk about that the economy continues to be in

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Speaker 6: a very confusing.

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Speaker 3: State of like stasis and collapse.

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Speaker 6: At the same time, we'll talk about new data showing

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Speaker 6: that more than half of homes are now losing value,

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Speaker 6: which is the first time that's happened since twenty twelve.

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Speaker 3: We've got a home depot warning and you've.

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Speaker 6: Got places like Kava and others, you know, flashing warning

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Speaker 6: signs that the consumer economy is crumbling, new hires collapsing,

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Speaker 6: Yet the stock market booming, data centers getting built, the

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Speaker 6: AI bubble continues to inflate, so.

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Speaker 3: Who knows how that ends. We'll see.

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Speaker 5: Truly, it's another mystery, another mystery, all right. Also, be

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Speaker 5: talking about the protests in Mexico City, just Mexico City,

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Speaker 5: mostly Mexico City, breaking those down. There's been some coverage

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Speaker 5: going to try to do a better job explaining what

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Speaker 5: the heck is going on in Mexico. And then Ryan,

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Speaker 5: we have Van Lathan on the show.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Van Lathan, friend of the show, huge fan of

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Speaker 6: Breaking Points, we're huge fans of his, So he's going

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Speaker 6: to join us to talk about chi Osa, who is

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Speaker 6: launching a primary challenge to Hakeem Jeffries, and the kind

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Speaker 6: of surprising turn of events that Zoron Mamdani and AOC

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this will be a good one.

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Speaker 3: We'll bring it down.

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Speaker 6: Plus a new ruling down in Texas that the jerrymander

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Speaker 6: there is illegal, so California redistricted and then sent it

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Speaker 6: in response to in response to Texas doing its jerrymander,

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Speaker 3: Man, be funny that the Democrats will like, all right,

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Speaker 6: Then we're gonna undo ours.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't think they're going.

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Speaker 4: To not gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: We'll also be joined by Nicholas Eberstadt, who is I

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Speaker 5: would argue, probably the premier researcher on young men in

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Speaker 5: the workforce or men in the workforce in general, and

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Speaker 5: we're gonna be talking with him about the plight of

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Speaker 5: with this next next group of college graduates coming up

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Speaker 5: Ryan, let's turn to Muhammed bin Salman's visit to the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so, back in September, Israel decided to bomb Doha,

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Speaker 6: latest piece agreement that Donald Trump had sent to them.

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Speaker 6: That bombing quickly led to the United States making an

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Speaker 6: offer to Kutter that they would be basically a NATO

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Speaker 6: ish non NATO ally, which meant that if Israel did

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Speaker 3: Them in response. There are now two countries that.

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Speaker 6: Have gotten non NATO agreements out of the decision by

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Speaker 6: It's like when you start inviting cousins to the wedding,

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Speaker 7: Tonight, I'm pleased to announce that we're taking our military

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Speaker 7: cooperation to even greater heights by formally designating Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 7: as a major non NATO ally, which is something that

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Speaker 7: is very important to them. And I'm just telling you

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Speaker 7: a little secret for tonight. I just heard him say, oh,

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Speaker 7: that's nice, that's another point you want today and signing

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Speaker 7: a historic Strategic Defense Agreement, which we just signed a

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Speaker 6: And so this followed the earlier Oval Office meeting between

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Speaker 6: MBS and Trump with this kind of mutual humiliation. Ritual

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Speaker 6: though wasn't really humiliating on Trump's side, because I don't

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Speaker 6: Yet he's going to walk out with you know, pretty

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Speaker 6: much everything he wants, including getting exonerated for the murder

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Speaker 6: do up to a trillion dollar, nice round number, trillion

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Speaker 6: dollars an investment in the United States. How are people

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Speaker 6: on the right responding to Trump making another deal with

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Speaker 6: another country that says we will commit our American military

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I haven't seen much reactor whatever.

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Speaker 5: It's like everyone right now is focused on the infighting.

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Speaker 5: There hasn't been much reaction to this major foreign policy announcement.

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Speaker 3: This stuff is still like oiling.

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Speaker 4: It's still going.

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Speaker 5: But I think also people see Trump, people on the

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Speaker 5: exactly as he casts himself, and sort of ascribed to

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Speaker 5: And that's probably the best summary of an average person.

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Speaker 4: On the right looking at what was happening.

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Speaker 5: Because you made an interesting point where he humiliating for MBS,

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Speaker 4: Of course, well why not? And you could argue that

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Speaker 5: It's humiliating for the United States as well.

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Speaker 6: Complete, complete and total humiliation where we have our president

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Speaker 6: who knows better lying about whether or not the guy

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Speaker 3: He also is giving them a whole bunch.

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Speaker 6: Of f thirty fives and a bunch of tanks like

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Speaker 3: Why, like, what are they gonna do with these F

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Speaker 6: It's just you're the richest country on the planet, Like,

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Speaker 6: to get the thirty fives.

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Speaker 4: So Red Rider beaty gun of defense Products and.

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Speaker 6: So an ABC News reporter pressed him on the assassination

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Speaker 6: in the reaction all the way.

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Speaker 3: That's not the LEAs.

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Speaker 7: And Trump doesn't give a fist pump. I grabbed that hand.

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Speaker 7: I don't give the hell wear that hand's been. I

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Speaker 7: grabbed that. He's done a phenomenal job. You're mentioning somebody

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Speaker 7: that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like

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Speaker 7: that gentleman that you to talking about, whether you like

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Speaker 7: him or didn't like him. Things happened, but he knew

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Speaker 7: nothing about it. And we can leave it at that.

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Speaker 7: You don't have to embarrass our guests by asking a question.

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Speaker 8: Like journous it's really painful to hear, you know, anyone

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Speaker 8: that been losing his life for you know, no real

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Speaker 8: purpose or no, not in a legal way, and it's

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Speaker 8: been painful for us in Saudi Arabia. We've did all

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Speaker 8: the light steps of investigation, et cetera in Saudi Arabia,

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Speaker 8: and we've improved the whole system to be sure that

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Speaker 8: huge mistake, and you're doing our best that this doesn't

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Speaker 7: I'm very proud of the jab he's done. What he's

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Speaker 7: And he's the crown Prince, the future king.

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Speaker 6: Couldn't stop laughing that like he like like did he

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Speaker 3: Like this is like there's this was not a mistake.

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Speaker 6: This was not things something slipping through the cracks, and

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Speaker 6: And he was he actually because he he was writing

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Speaker 6: And then it was several days later that it finally

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Speaker 3: We'll be like, you know, he didn't do that, don't

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Speaker 4: Don't embarrass our guests.

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Speaker 5: Saying that to the press right by the way, it

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Speaker 3: But MBS's outfit, that's not a suit, right.

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Speaker 3: No tie.

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Speaker 4: The NBS quote yesterday.

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Speaker 5: The word is exactly what was invoked quote about the journalist.

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Speaker 5: It's really painful to hear anyone that has been losing

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Speaker 6: It was a mistake, you know, bureaucratic error. You know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We should also mention Ryan that Odnan Koshogi was Jamal

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Speaker 5: Kashogi's uncle on his father's side. Is was in financial

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Speaker 5: And I was involved in around, Yeah, was involved in

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Speaker 5: That the Lady Galaine was originally was was commissioned by

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Speaker 5: Adnan Koshogi.

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Speaker 4: Wild confluence of relationships.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Jamal was a very highly regarded journalist, but

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Speaker 6: He was like some like hardcore champion of freedom and

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Speaker 5: And Trump of course is not a novice in the space.

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Speaker 6: So speaking about freedoms, Donald Trump responded to this exchange

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Speaker 3: Let's roll this one one week.

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Speaker 7: For Congress to release the Epstein files. Why not just

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Speaker 7: do it as well. It's not the question that I mind,

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Speaker 7: it's your attitude. I think you are a terrible reporter.

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Speaker 7: It's the way you ask these questions. You start off

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Speaker 7: Somebody psychs you over at ABC, you're gonna psycho. You're

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Speaker 7: I think the license should be taken away from ABC

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Speaker 3: Maybe Barry Weis could run ABC too, How about that.

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Speaker 4: Why not BC? There you go, it's called broadcasting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Barry broadcasting BBC, and she can take over the

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Speaker 3: There with Trump too.

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Speaker 4: You're coming up with all this lusus.

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Speaker 3: You can have them all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we should just let you run the media.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 6: Barry's got it under control. So speaking of embarrassing the

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Speaker 6: in nine to eleven. Also, let's roll that one.

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Speaker 8: I feel painful about, you know, the families of ninety

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Speaker 4: Strike you as an innocent man, there just hands totally clean.

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Speaker 4: He's what he was saying. It's bad for tourism. That's

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Speaker 6: Trump also made an argument that I guess his tariffs

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Speaker 3: Let's roll a five.

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Speaker 8: Many eights and technology and AI and materials, magnet, et cetera.

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Speaker 8: That would create a lot of You are doing that.

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Speaker 8: Treading definitely because what we are signing it to a

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Speaker 7: No, that's great, that's I appreciate that. That's great. It's no.

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Speaker 7: We're doing numbers that nobody's ever done. And it all fairness.

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Speaker 8: Definitely, you don't want to lose money.

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Speaker 6: And the backdrop here is that Trump has been pressuring

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Speaker 3: We cannot do it without it.

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Speaker 6: accurts here at say six.

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Speaker 8: Having a good tradition with all of thesecent countries a

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Speaker 8: good thing, and we want to be part of the Brimaco.

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Speaker 8: But we want also to be sure that secure a

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Speaker 8: cleeve path of two state solution. Today we have a

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Speaker 8: henity discussion with mister President that we've got to walk

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Speaker 8: on that to be sure that we can prepare the suition.

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Speaker 8: It's a little as possible to have that.

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Speaker 7: I think we're you know, I don't want to use

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Speaker 7: the word commitment, but we've had a very good talk

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Speaker 7: of the Abraham Accords. We talked about one state, two state,

455
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Speaker 7: you know, we talked about a lot of things in

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Speaker 7: a short period of time. We'll be discussing and further too.

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Speaker 7: But I think you have a very good feeling for

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Speaker 7: the Abraham.

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Speaker 8: A course, just deflims the president who want peaceful there's

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Speaker 8: three das. We want peaceful, the Prestinians, we want them

461
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Speaker 8: to co exist peaceful in the region. We would do

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Speaker 8: all of this to reach that day and agreement on

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Speaker 8: that we pretty much.

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Speaker 6: Have so as you can hear from him even the

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Speaker 6: second time that Trump says like you've got a really

466
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Speaker 6: warm feeling towards the Abraham Accords, though right he was like, well,

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Speaker 6: as long as there's peace and co existence with the Palestinians,

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Speaker 6: like that is still for domestic and regional reasons, a

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Speaker 6: line that MBS is not able to cross. I think

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Speaker 6: MBS personally like, if it were up to him, he

471
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Speaker 6: doesn't care.

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Speaker 3: He'd be happy to.

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Speaker 6: Join the Abraham Accords and strike a endless you know,

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Speaker 6: business and political deals with Israel and just ignore the

475
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Speaker 6: fact of the Palestinians. But he just he knows that

476
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Speaker 6: you that he cannot do that. He just he doesn't

477
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Speaker 6: have it. The regional, the regional and domestic politics just

478
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Speaker 6: simply won't allow it.

479
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Speaker 5: And if you're just listening to this, by the way,

480
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Speaker 5: and you're seeing the clips, what you're missing is Trump

481
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Speaker 5: literally slapping MBS on the knee. They were playing with

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Speaker 5: each other's hands at one point because they went in

483
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Speaker 5: for a fist bump, but Trump said he doesn't do

484
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Speaker 5: fist bumps. It was a level of friendliness that you

485
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Speaker 5: would rarely see it between a president and any foreign leader,

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Speaker 5: let alone the Crown Prince of Saddi Arabia.

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Speaker 6: It's in his friendliness in it, but it's also Trump's

488
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Speaker 6: kind of little ribbing bullying style that he has because NBS,

489
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Speaker 6: as you can tell, is a very awkward figure, and

490
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Speaker 6: so Trump kind of slapping him and pushed him around.

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Speaker 6: It's like he knows he's kind of pushing MBS out

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Speaker 6: of his comfort zone a little bit, and it's it's

493
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Speaker 6: kind of an alpha dog thing that he's doing.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's interesting. That's an interesting psychological READI that's my reading.

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Speaker 4: That is interesting.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 5: Now they had this this dinner last night. Did you

498
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Speaker 5: see this where Cristiano Ronaldo was there?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I heard that he heard that he was there, and

501
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Speaker 6: that the dinner is where they announced that they're going

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Speaker 6: to become a major non NATO ally right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Trump rolled out that announcement.

504
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Speaker 3: He had horses for him, what had of camels? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: What else would you do? But yes, that's that was

506
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Speaker 5: announced just last night. Trump made it clear that's where

507
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Speaker 5: we were going with the relationship. And this was I

508
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Speaker 5: mean again, you can understand why. But it was a

509
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Speaker 5: packed dinner. Elon Musk was there, Ronaldo, a lot of

510
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Speaker 5: money there, Cabinet officials, Howard Latinik, those types of people.

511
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Speaker 4: Yes, lots and lots of money there.

512
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Speaker 5: Red carpet was rolled out to say the least for

513
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Speaker 5: MBS yesterday.

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Speaker 6: So a good friend of MBS's, by the way, was

515
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Speaker 6: a financier and sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was

516
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Speaker 6: the subject of a vote yesterday in the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 6: We can roll a Marjorie Taylor Green, who has now

518
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Speaker 6: been denounced by President Trump, embraced by some Democrats, held

519
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Speaker 6: a press conference with Epstein victims outside of Congress.

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Speaker 3: Here's Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 9: I was called a trader by a man that I

522
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Speaker 9: fought for five no actually six years for and I

523
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Speaker 9: gave him my loyalty for free. I won my first

524
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Speaker 9: selection without his endorsement, beating eight men in a primary,

525
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Speaker 9: and I've never owed him anything, but I fought for him,

526
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Speaker 9: for the policies and for America first. And he called

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Speaker 9: me a trader for standing with these women and refusing

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Speaker 9: to take my name off the discharge petition. Let me

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Speaker 9: tell you what a ch is. A trader is an

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Speaker 9: American that serves foreign countries and themselves. A patriot is

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Speaker 9: an American that serves the United States of America and

532
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Speaker 9: Americans like the women standing behind me. And I want

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Speaker 9: to tell you that this only became possible today because

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Speaker 9: the American people, whom we serve as representatives here in Congress,

535
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Speaker 9: demanded that this vote happened, and they put more pressure

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Speaker 9: on every single elected politician in this city than has

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Speaker 9: ever been put on them. And today you are going

538
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Speaker 9: to see probably a unanimous vote in the House to

539
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Speaker 9: release the Epstein files. But the fight, the real fight,

540
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Speaker 9: will happen after that.

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Speaker 6: So I think, Emily, that that's true that the public

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Speaker 6: did put enormous pressure on these representatives, including by electing

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Speaker 6: autoly Do Rhalva, and you know, getting two hundred and

544
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Speaker 6: eighteen signatures on the discharge petition and forcing Trump's hand

545
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Speaker 6: to the point where he said, you know what, just

546
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Speaker 6: everybody should just vote for at this point.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

548
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Speaker 6: You think like that this was a real kind of

549
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Speaker 6: a rare dub for the people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I absolutely think so.

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Speaker 5: People may remember before the August recess on this show,

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Speaker 5: I covered talking to a bunch of Republican congressmen on

553
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Speaker 5: the Hill.

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Speaker 4: It was just a couple of days before recess, and

555
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Speaker 4: I was asking.

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Speaker 5: Them, are you expecting to get questions about Epstein? Because

557
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Speaker 5: at the time Trump's line and he's still using this

558
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Speaker 5: now to some extent, but his lene was this is

559
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Speaker 5: all a distraction, This is a Democrat hoax to get

560
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Speaker 5: you to, you know, not focus on the one big,

561
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Speaker 5: beautiful bill and all of that. And I actually didn't

562
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Speaker 5: get that response from Republican congressman that I talked to,

563
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Speaker 5: who were saying, no, we fully expect to hear from

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Speaker 5: our stituents about Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 4: And so I think that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 5: I think Trump learned that it wasn't going anywhere, the

567
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Speaker 5: issue wasn't going anywhere. He saw that could not control

568
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Speaker 5: the people like Marjorie Taylor Green going all over media it.

569
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Speaker 4: Just would not die away. And I think Trump.

570
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Speaker 5: Believed he had more control over the base, and he

571
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Speaker 5: does have a lot of control over the base, but

572
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Speaker 5: this is an issue that just absolutely embodies what people

573
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Speaker 5: see as the swamp and you can't kind of hand

574
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Speaker 5: wave it away. And so while people may be willing

575
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Speaker 5: to like bend over backwards and exonerate Donald Trump and say.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's you know, he's.

577
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Speaker 5: Nothing to do with Epstein, they are not willing to

578
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Speaker 5: do that with Epstein overall, say go away, like this

579
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Speaker 5: doesn't matter. And so I think genuinely they're Republicans realized

580
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Speaker 5: it wasn't just Marjor Taylor Green going on, you know,

581
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Speaker 5: all like the view. It was actually also that you

582
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Speaker 5: had Congressman saying we're going to have to vote for

583
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Speaker 5: the discharge petition. We can't be voting against this discharge petition.

584
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Speaker 5: And I think when Trump realized where the numbers were going,

585
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Speaker 5: it was a cost benefit analysis. Who's like, well, the

586
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 5: cost of whatever comes out is worth the benefits of

587
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Speaker 5: these guys of having to take the vote at this point.

588
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and for Trump to hold on this long really

589
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 6: makes you wonder like, what is he worried about is

590
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 6: in there? Because he knows better than anybody that for years,

591
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Speaker 6: the Republican base was told the world government is being

592
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Speaker 6: run by a secret cabal of predator pedophiles.

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Speaker 3: Then you catch one.

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Speaker 6: And you're told, well, never mind, right, Like that's not

595
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Speaker 6: going to fly.

596
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Speaker 4: Right, no, no, And it didn't.

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Speaker 6: If you hadn't spent years telling them that they were

598
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Speaker 6: run by a cabal of pedophiles. Then maybe you catch

599
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Speaker 6: one pedophile who's in the cabal and you can get

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Speaker 6: away with like nevermind, just a hoax, Let this one

601
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Speaker 6: go right, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we will

602
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Speaker 6: pull on this string.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And what I I mean that the incentive, the explanation

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Speaker 5: for why you have democratic presidents and Republican presidents during

606
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 5: the swamp presidents and whatever the Biden presidency was defending

607
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 5: or pushing back on disclosure, is because the one incentive

608
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Speaker 5: that ties them together is protecting the intelligence community. And

609
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Speaker 5: so that explains I think the reluctance on both of

610
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Speaker 5: their parts. I mean, it's not just Bill Clinton and

611
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 5: Donald Trump having friendly relationships with Jeffrey Epstein. It's something

612
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: deeper than that, which is why I also think Trump realizes,

613
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Speaker 5: and I say this with no pleasure at all, but

614
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Speaker 5: that they have some amount of control over what is

615
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Speaker 5: actually going to be released.

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Speaker 4: He controls the.

617
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Speaker 5: Government right now. And yeah, I don't know if you

618
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Speaker 5: agree with this or not. Seems to me anything that

619
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Speaker 5: would actually function as a smoking gun where you have

620
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Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein in writing saying I trafficked girls as blackmail

621
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Speaker 5: to change foreign policy and make money in the process. Like,

622
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Speaker 5: if you have that in writing, it has been destroyed

623
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Speaker 5: or it will not be released.

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Speaker 3: Or it's been unlived. The person who could say that

625
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Speaker 3: has been un alive, yes, yes, yes.

626
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Speaker 4: And so it's obvious that you can.

627
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Speaker 6: Then other person who could say that is getting kid

628
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Speaker 6: glove treatment now in minimum security prison.

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Speaker 4: There you go, And so the Epstein story is not

630
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Speaker 4: going away. So there's two possibilities.

631
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Speaker 5: You can either look like your for disclosure or you

632
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Speaker 5: can look like you're for stonewalling.

633
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Speaker 4: But those are the only two options.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and so speaking of stonewalling, one method they're going

635
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Speaker 6: to use is, well, this is all a matter of

636
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Speaker 6: national security. So let's roll speaker Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Here, d oj or.

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Speaker 10: The FBI has already reviewed it, and determined it is

639
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Speaker 10: not credible. It is fall information. Doing this and requiring

640
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Speaker 10: this to come out could ruin the reputations of completely

641
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 10: innocent people, such as those who have may just have

642
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 10: known Epstein but knew nothing of his crimes, or whose

643
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 10: names he exploited. Think of this, innocent people whose names

644
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 10: he exploited and used to try to get close to

645
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Speaker 10: his intended victims. Their names may be in these files

646
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Speaker 10: and they had nothing to do with this, and so

647
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 10: by just haphazardly releasing it, you're going to destroy their reputations.

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, I think it is fine to say

649
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Speaker 6: just because your name is in these emails does not

650
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Speaker 6: mean that you are a bad person. In fact, I

651
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Speaker 6: don't know if you've noticed this. My former colleague Akbar Ahmed,

652
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Speaker 6: his name was in an exchange between Bannon and Epstein,

653
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Speaker 6: but it was I think Bannon was sending an article

654
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Speaker 6: that Okbar had written at the Hovin Post and Epstein

655
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Speaker 6: and said that sounds like his name, sounds like an

656
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Speaker 6: SNL skit, and Bannon replied, quote very gay Pakistani.

657
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Speaker 3: So look he's in there. He's in there.

658
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Speaker 6: I told him he should put that on a T shirt. Yes,

659
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Speaker 6: but that doesn't mean that he was involved in the

660
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Speaker 6: predator ring. There's plenty of names in there of people

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Speaker 6: who were innocent. And if that's if that's you don't

662
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Speaker 6: worry about it. You're you're gonna be fine. Like it's

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Speaker 6: it's only if you're connected to the crimes. Like a

664
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Speaker 6: lot of people's names, a lot of people have had

665
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Speaker 6: some problems. You know that they've gotten attention that they

666
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 6: haven't wanted because they've been in these emails. Larry Well,

667
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 6: but Larry Summers was like not cheating on his wife. Okay,

668
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 6: that's between consenting adults. Fine, whatever, He was favorably treating

669
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 6: a top Chinese Communist Party official who was a key

670
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 6: like royal figure in this CCP with with power over

671
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 6: the belt and wrote initiative in order to get in

672
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 6: his daughter's pants like that, So that becomes an actual

673
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 6: matter of public concern because he's trading US policy or

674
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 6: whatever levers he has in order for his own personal gain.

675
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 6: So that that so that we can say that we

676
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 6: can be disgusted by and sorry, Mike Johnson, that that

677
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 6: your friend Larry Summers is going to suffer a little

678
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 6: bit because of this, Like maybe he shouldn't have done

679
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 6: those things, and so I think this like this thing

680
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 6: from Johnson and everybody else but both parties was doing it.

681
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 6: Think of the innocent people, like, no, the innocent people

682
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 6: are the ones that were behind Marjorie Taylor Green outside

683
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 6: of Congress, the victims of Epsteine.

684
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: Then innocent people.

685
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 6: If if your name is in those emails and you

686
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 6: didn't do anything wrong, fine, But if your name is

687
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 6: in the emails and you were trading, you know your

688
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 6: power as a US official to try to sleep with

689
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 6: a Chinese Communist Party officials daughter, and sorry, if that's

690
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 6: going to cause you a few days of bad press,

691
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 6: well there was also and maybe you the open AI

692
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 6: board meeting for you next time is a little bit uncomfortable.

693
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Speaker 5: It's I mean, there will be quote unquote innocent people.

694
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 5: I mean, if you were running in these circles at

695
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 5: all and you had any possibility of having your name

696
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 5: come up, even if it was in the most innocent

697
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 5: of way, like at minimum, it will be a headache.

698
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 5: So I'm sure people are expecting a headache, maybe legal headache,

699
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 5: and then maybe in their own personal lives, like there

700
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 5: was the department store air family who he was the

701
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 5: one who said, Jeffrey helped me.

702
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Speaker 7: Here.

703
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 4: Is he a hooker? Is she a hooker? Did you

704
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: see that? That was a good one. So obviously he

705
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 4: was exposed. Maybe his wife already knew it, maybe not,

706
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 4: but he.

707
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 5: Was exposed for his adultery. So that's probably probably more

708
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 5: to come. And I would hope that everyone is relatively

709
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 5: judicious as they go through the files and journalists reach

710
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 5: out for comment and all of that. But I think

711
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 5: Ryan generally correct that if you didn't do anything wrong,

712
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 5: you should be able to explain what exactly happened, why

713
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 5: you were in this conversation, why your name came up.

714
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 5: Maybe you're a journalist whose article was being passed around.

715
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 4: There you go. Just have to have faith in the truth.

716
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: There you go.

717
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 6: Meanwhile, we didn't want to let the show pass without

718
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 6: one of the funniest headlines that we've ever seen. We

719
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 6: put up the next Element headline, Jared Kushner invited Jeffery

720
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 6: Epstein's a party with Trump and Harvey Weinstein in twenty thirteen.

721
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: Hell of a party that would have been.

722
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, this was for The New York Observer, and

723
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 5: so it was an invitation from the company he.

724
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: Used to own. The New York Observer newspaper. Yeah.

725
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they put Kusher and his business partner's name

726
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 5: on the bottom of it.

727
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 4: But the guest list was ridiculous.

728
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 5: It was like Blake Lively, Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein.

729
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: It was like celebrities, New York people.

730
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Speaker 5: It was like to celebrate the anniversary of their New

731
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 5: York Observer in New York if I'm remember incorrectly, But.

732
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that happened.

733
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Speaker 6: It's just whatever, because it's like Trump and Harvey Weinstein

734
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 6: have been partying with.

735
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Speaker 3: Celebrities for decades.

736
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Trump has been a celebrity just because he hangs

737
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 6: out with famous people up until he became president. Like

738
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 6: there was no reason why he was a celebrity. It's

739
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 6: a real estate developer, Like, what's going on here? But

740
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 6: he hung out. He was famous, so he hung out

741
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 6: with famous people. Weinstein famous hung out with famous people,

742
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 6: and Epstein was at the center of Epstein seems to

743
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 6: be one of the best connected people on the planet

744
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 6: from what we can tell from his emails, So would

745
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 6: not be surprising in twenty thirteen, if you're Jerry Kushner

746
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 6: that you'd want to invite to this thing bearing in mind,

747
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 6: this is four years after his conviction for the underage prostitution.

748
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: So it shows you that what types.

749
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Speaker 6: Of things these elite circles are willing to overlook and bran.

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Speaker 5: As we now talk about new drop site reporting, I

751
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 5: do want to say that the estate emails, in addition

752
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 5: to the hacked emails that you all have been working

753
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 5: through at drop Site, expose so plainly in ways that

754
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 5: I think normally you have to like dig deep into

755
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 5: the annals of history books to fully wrap.

756
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 4: Your head around. And a lot of it is, you know, Cold.

757
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 5: War history that we see up close, like we're seeing

758
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 5: right now in these emails, just the plain casual, banal

759
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 5: corruption and geopolitical maneuvering from the emails over emails that

760
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 5: are riddled with typos and unserious grammatical effort, and it's

761
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 5: just all there for us to see, and it's it

762
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 5: is really dry.

763
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Speaker 4: It's jarring.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's not surprising, but just seeing it up

765
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Speaker 5: close in writing is jarring.

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Speaker 6: Yes, if you're somebody who's curious about how this world

767
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 6: really works, the release of all these documents has been

768
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 6: a gift in that sense because it really does open

769
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 6: a window into into a world that is.

770
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Speaker 3: Intended to be kept away.

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Speaker 6: From the public of the people who are actually making

772
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Speaker 6: the decisions that shape that shape the world that we

773
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Speaker 6: live in. And we have you know, we have one

774
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Speaker 6: of those stories at drop Site News yesterday. We can

775
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Speaker 6: put this almost going to recommend everybody go read this

776
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 6: if you can. Uh, headline makes you sound like a

777
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 6: crazy person. Jeffrey Epstein pursued Swiss Rothschild Bank to finance

778
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Speaker 6: Israeli cyber weapons empire.

779
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Speaker 3: Uh, and yeah, let's poster that.

780
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Speaker 6: I was like, as as we're doing the reporting, you

781
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 6: report what you have, not what you want. And as

782
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 6: we're going through it, I'm like, could he have used

783
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Speaker 6: a bank.

784
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: Other than ross Child, any other bank? It's like he's.

785
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 6: Trying to make us look like lunatics. The ross Childs

786
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 6: were for centuries, you know, major financiers in Europe. They

787
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 6: really faded over the last you know, decades and century plus,

788
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 6: but are still still a dominant financial institution in France

789
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 6: and in Switzerland in particular, and particularly in Switzerland, they

790
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 6: are among a bunch of banks that were in fact

791
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 6: under investigation by the Department of Justice for their willingness

792
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 6: to engage in the kind of secrecy that is very

793
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 6: helpful to people who are moving drugs, moving weapons, working

794
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 6: with sanctioned individuals to finance projects. And Fstein worked with

795
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 6: all all of those kinds of people, and so this

796
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 6: is the kind of bank that is very helpful to them.

797
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 6: So I'll go through just some of the reporting here,

798
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Speaker 6: But eleven days before Epstein was found dead, there was

799
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Speaker 6: this report in Bloomberg that he had met with Arion

800
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Speaker 6: de Rothschild, who is now the CEO of the Edmund

801
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 6: de Rothschild Group, which is the basically what the bank

802
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 6: is called.

803
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 3: Now.

804
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 6: At the time, the bank is like, it's not true,

805
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 6: they had no relationship. Since then, there's been some Wall

806
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 6: Street journal reporting on their relationship that showed that actually

807
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 6: there was a little bit of a relationship that so

808
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 6: that wasn't quite accurate. What we can show is that

809
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 6: the relationship was very, very deep, and just how deep

810
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 6: we'll have some follow up reporting as well, but for now,

811
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 6: what we can say is that.

812
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: When Ahud Barak.

813
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 6: Left as a Minister of Defense and ISRAE in twenty thirteen,

814
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 6: he immediately was sought out by European banks as kind

815
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 6: of a rain maker, Like they knew that he was

816
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 6: going to start working with oligarchs all over the world

817
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 6: to set up companies, and they wanted to be in

818
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 6: the middle of that stream, and so he cuts a

819
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 6: deal with he was Julius bear Bank and Epstein then

820
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 6: quickly hears from somebody at the Roschild Bank saying, just

821
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 6: saw that Ahood Barack was scooped up by this competitor.

822
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 6: Too bad, because we actually would have liked to work

823
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 6: with him, Which shows you a bunch of different things,

824
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 6: one of which the banking world knew at that time

825
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 6: that if they wanted to reach out to Ahud Barak,

826
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Speaker 6: who was foreign Prime Minister of Israel, for some type

827
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Speaker 6: of relationship, the guy to go through was Jeffrey Epstein.

828
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Speaker 6: At the same time, we report that Epstein that Rothschild,

829
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 6: because they were facing this Department of Justice investigation, needed

830
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 6: new council. He went out and found an attorney for them,

831
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 6: like on behalf of the Rothschild Bank. He reached out

832
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 6: to Katherine Rumler, who was a top lawyer in the

833
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 6: Obama administration, and she ended up representing the bank, and

834
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Speaker 6: that is a matter of public record. She negotiated a

835
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Speaker 6: non prosecution agreement.

836
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 4: She's at Goldman now.

837
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Speaker 5: And she was also in these conversations that Michael Wolfe

838
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 5: has released where there's a public relations strategizing bull session

839
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Speaker 5: basically between Steve Bann and Michael Wolfe, Jeffrey Epstein and Katherine.

840
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 6: Rumler right right, And so you know she was also

841
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 6: Epstein also connected her with Gates when Epstein was trying

842
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 6: to build basically he was trying to Epstein it seems

843
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 6: like he was trying to take over the Giving Pledge

844
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Speaker 6: and like move it into a new donor advised fund

845
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 6: and be the be the man behind the strings that

846
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 6: never really completely got off the ground. What he what

847
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 6: the so, so then Epstein ends up connect Barack and

848
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 6: Arion de Rothschild. And we have some just absolutely wild

849
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 6: quotes in here, and we can put up some of

850
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 6: these while I'm talking. You can just kind of roll

851
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 6: through the different elements of emails and people can pause

852
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 6: on those and and read them.

853
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: But so, in one of the notes.

854
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 6: Epstein writes to ahu Barack a message from Arion de

855
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 6: Rothschild where he says, and he's so he's basically paraphrasing

856
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 6: Arian he says. She says to ahud If Ahood wants

857
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 6: to make serious money. He will have to build a

858
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 6: relationship with me, take time so that we can truly

859
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 6: understand one another unquote. And so then Barack says he's

860
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 6: going to defer to Epstein, and you're gonna love why.

861
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 6: I'm ready, he wrote, but I need your advice. Read

862
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Speaker 6: how Ladies is.

863
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Speaker 4: Your FORTE can't argue that.

864
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 6: He then he then gives him some some advice that

865
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 6: is actually, you know, pretty decent. He's like, just be

866
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 6: dependable and reliable and you know, show up when you're

867
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 6: supposed to show up and uh, and this this.

868
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: Will work for her.

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00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 6: And so they they spend the next couple, you know,

870
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 6: months and years kind of building this relationship. What Epstein

871
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 6: basically wants to do is to create a fund of

872
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 6: funds that will allow that will create a vehicle that

873
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 6: will allow all sorts of money from outside to flow

874
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 6: through the Swiss Bank and then finance ahu Barack's you

875
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 6: know growing empire of cyber weapons companies, which you know,

876
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 6: they don't call cyber weapons when they're talking to directly

877
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 6: to ross Child, but when they're talking to each other,

878
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 6: they they they're talking about offensive cyber operations. And read

879
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 6: the story to get all the different you know, details

880
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 6: of it, but Rock over the years does end up

881
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 6: building you know, some of the key critical cyber technology,

882
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Speaker 6: both offensive and defensive that exists today and including uh,

883
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 6: some of the companies that are everywhere in the entire

884
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 6: backbone of of our of our internet today. So this

885
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 6: it's like it's hard to overstate just how influential you know,

886
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 6: Epstein and Brock were and building kind of the cyber

887
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 6: world that we have today.

888
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 3: You look up guard Corps or Akamai.

889
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 6: So guard a Corps was a company that was later

890
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 6: acquired by Akamai a just a k a m Ai

891
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 6: and has since been integrated into basically the big the

892
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 6: world's largest no content delivery system. Like, so they're they're like,

893
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 6: they got their stuff in everywhere and they're constantly working,

894
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 6: you know, with the Israeli intelligence apparatus, which is incubating

895
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 6: all of these ideas and then they flow up too

896
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 6: and then you know, financed and kind of developed then

897
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 6: by Epstein, and so they've really made our world in

898
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 6: a significant.

899
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 5: Way, and they're doing it again just so casually over

900
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 5: their emails.

901
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what's interesting is that.

902
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 6: In the emails sometimes he will say this is too

903
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 6: hot for email, I know, would you call me? So

904
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 6: what we're able to report now is just what he

905
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 6: was willing to talk about on email. He knew that

906
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 6: he was. He's like, this is an open email. We

907
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 6: can't talk about X so all this other stuff he's

908
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 6: fine talking about. So it's like so they're like, okay,

909
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 6: what was he doing on those calls? And what was

910
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 6: he doing in person? He's like that we need to

911
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 6: talk about this in person, and that'll be the subject

912
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 6: I think of some of our future articles here, because

913
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 6: there are ways that you can piece together what he's

914
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 6: been up to.

915
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 4: I mean, what you guys are already doing with that

916
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 4: is incredible.

917
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 6: And it's one other piece and then go ahead. Meanwhile,

918
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 6: child also had a tax problem going on right right

919
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 6: in Israel, Yeah, which Epstein you know, helped her navigate

920
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 6: as well. Right, So that's people are like, what does

921
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 6: this guy do? Like this, he's doing this kind of thing.

922
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 5: And Barack was doing this on a Gmail. If I'm

923
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 5: not mistaken, Larry Summers was doing this on a Gmail.

924
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 5: It's all going back and forth on.

925
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: A bolt on an AOL.

926
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's just remarkable.

927
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 5: For first of all, how stupid that is, but also

928
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 5: to see how cavalier they are about not national security,

929
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 5: literally global security and just they're going around making money

930
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 5: off of a change in the world like it's nothing.

931
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 4: It's the drop site.

932
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 5: Reporting has been an incredible window and you guys are

933
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,479
Speaker 5: adding a lot of great context to make it easy

934
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 5: to digest too. So if you're not reading this stuff,

935
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 5: you absolutely have to be Yeah.

936
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 4: Go enjoy it, go get it.

937
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, you don't enjoy it like oh Jesus wo

938
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 6: but man, and some of the money did come through,

939
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 6: but we don't know exactly for what, but there was

940
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 6: a twenty five million dollar investment that Epstein was able

941
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 6: to get through involving Roth's child.

942
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: We're still piecing all of this together. So yeah, wild stuff,

943
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: wild wild stuff.

944
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 6: Meanwhile, there is a video going around that is going

945
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 6: absolutely viral that we didn't want to pass up a

946
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 6: chance to make sure that you saw. It's from the

947
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 6: Congress of the Jewish Federation of North America recently, and

948
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 6: it's liberal Obama speech writer Sarah Hurwitz talking about the

949
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 6: twin problems that are she believes fueling anti Semitism, and

950
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 6: she believes it is social media that is showing people

951
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 6: pictures of quote carnage in Gaza, and also a Holocaust

952
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 6: education that is taught people that it is wrong when big,

953
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 6: powerful forces are aggressive towards the week. Just an incredible

954
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 6: two minute clip that I think you're going to watch

955
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 6: the entirety of and then Emily and I will discuss

956
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 6: for a moment, go ahead and roll this.

957
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 11: I think that since October seventh, but really before then,

958
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 11: there have been huge shifts in America on how people

959
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 11: think about Jews in Israel, and I think that is

960
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 11: especially true of young people. So we are now wrestling

961
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 11: with a new I think generational divide here and I

962
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 11: think that's particularly true in that social media is now

963
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 11: our source of media and this. It used to be

964
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 11: that the media you got in America was American media,

965
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 11: and it was pretty mainstream. You know, it generally didn't

966
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 11: express extreme anti Israel views. You had to go to

967
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 11: a pretty weird bookstore to find global media and fringe media.

968
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 11: But today we have social media, which is a global medium.

969
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 11: It is shaped, its algorithms are shaped by billions of

970
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 11: people worldwide who don't really love Jews. And so while

971
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 11: in the nineteen nineties, you know, a young person probably

972
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 11: wasn't going to find Al Jazeera or someone like Nick Fuentes.

973
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 11: Today those media outlets find them. They find them on

974
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 11: their phones. It's also this increasingly post literate media, less

975
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 11: and less text, more and more videos. So you have

976
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 11: TikTok just smashing our young people's brains all day long

977
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 11: with video of carnage and Gaza. And this is why

978
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 11: so many of us can't have a sane conversation with

979
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 11: younger Jews because anything that we try to say to them,

980
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 11: they are hearing it through this wall of carnage. So

981
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 11: I want to give data and information and facts and arguments,

982
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 11: and they are just seeing in their minds carnage. And

983
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 11: I sound obscene, And you know, I think unfortunately, the

984
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 11: very smart I think bet that we made on Holocaust

985
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 11: education to serve as anti Semitism education in this new

986
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 11: media environment, I think that is beginning to break down

987
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 11: a little bit, because you know, hal cost education is

988
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 11: absolutely essential. But I think in maybe confusing some of

989
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 11: our young people about anti Semitism because they learn about big,

990
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 11: strong Nazis hurting weak, emaciated Jews, and they think, oh,

991
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 11: anti Semitism is like anti black racism, right, powerful white

992
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 11: people against powerless black people. So when on TikTok all

993
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 11: day long they see powerful Israelis hurting weak, skinny Palestinians,

994
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 11: it's not surprising that they think, Oh, I know, the

995
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 11: lesson of the Holocaust is you fight Israel. You fight

996
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 11: the big, powerful people hurting the weak people.

997
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 6: All right, So, Emily, where do you where should we

998
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 6: Where do we even start with this argument? My worldview

999
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 6: is being rejected because people are seeing images of.

1000
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 4: Carnage, people are seeing facts.

1001
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 6: And because people have been taught that it is wrong

1002
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 6: when a powerful force uses its power to annihilate a

1003
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 6: weaker people, and you can. So therefore, it's not my

1004
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 6: worldview that needs to change. Isn't that we should end

1005
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 6: the carnage, We should end the Holocaust education, and we

1006
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 6: should make sure that we can kill social media so

1007
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 6: people don't see the images like, yes, that's.

1008
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 5: The death rattle of the gatekeepers. I mean, this clip

1009
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 5: in a nutshell is the death rattle of the gatekeeper.

1010
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 5: She is truly upset that people have access to information

1011
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 5: that previously she feels the gatekeepers were able to keep out,

1012
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 5: which is also somewhat wrong. Her idea that you used

1013
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 5: to have to go to a weird bookstore to get

1014
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 5: your hands on anti Israel information. You go ahead, walk

1015
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 5: into Barnes and Noble and pick up your Chomsky.

1016
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 4: It's fine.

1017
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 5: But also what she's really lamenting is the lack of

1018
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 5: control that the gatekeepers used to have to push people out.

1019
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 5: And it's it's convenient for her to just chalk that

1020
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 5: up to funtes or left wing critics of Israel, but

1021
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 5: it's obviously going well beyond fringe figures, and it's not

1022
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 5: fringe and be considered fringe to oppose what just happened

1023
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 5: to Gazo over the last couple of years. But she

1024
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 5: wants to actually relegate those views to the fringes and say, well,

1025
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 5: this is just craziness, But now it's mainstream because the

1026
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 5: crazies are mainstream, as opposed to now it's mainstream because

1027
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 5: people had access to different information that you previously were

1028
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 5: able to gatekeep.

1029
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, the only line of hers that made any sense

1030
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 6: to me was when she said I sound obscene, and

1031
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 6: to me she does so wildline, she does sound obscene,

1032
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 6: And what I don't understand is how.

1033
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 3: She can't see it.

1034
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 6: I don't understand this complaint about social media after October

1035
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 6: seventh and every day up until the seasfire. Now, now

1036
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 6: they're a handful of you know, fewer than ten usually

1037
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:53,479
Speaker 6: Palestinians being killed every day by Israel. You had about

1038
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 6: an average of one hundred Palestinians killed every single day

1039
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 6: after October seventh for two plus years, and eighty plus

1040
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 6: percent ninety plus percent. We're going by Israeli data here

1041
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 6: that gets leaked out civilians. They have smartphones in Gaza,

1042
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 6: they're able to they're able to share footage every day

1043
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 6: of the many dozens, the scores of people, up to

1044
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 6: a hundred or more every day being killed in Gaza.

1045
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 6: How is that social media's fault? Like, what is social media?

1046
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 6: What is TikTok or Instagram? I know what they want

1047
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 6: them to do.

1048
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 4: She's just not.

1049
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 5: Skinny Palestinians as though that's some type of aberration. Right,

1050
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 5: that there was people seeing skinny Palestinians was misleading because

1051
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 5: it makes you think Palestinians are starving.

1052
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 4: That seems to be her.

1053
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 6: Point, right, So Israel wants to cut off food from

1054
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 6: getting in. Everybody loses weight and Gaza that gets the

1055
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 6: images of that are shared with the world. It's so

1056
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 6: hard for me to get my mind to a place

1057
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 6: where you don't say, okay, So we should actually let

1058
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 6: let food in so people aren't starving. We should stop

1059
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 6: killing civilians so that we stop seeing images of civilians

1060
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 6: being killed.

1061
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 3: Instead, we need.

1062
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 6: To buy TikTok yes, like we need to shut down

1063
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 6: the ability of people to share these images.

1064
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 3: And then but then the second minute of.

1065
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 6: It is the most mind bending, where she says it

1066
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 6: was smart of us to lank anti Semitism and Holocaust

1067
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 6: education because we talked about the Nazis and what they did,

1068
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 6: and everybody understood that that was bad. But now we

1069
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 6: need to dial that back because we look like the Nazis.

1070
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 6: That thinking to me is just I can't it's incomprehensible.

1071
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 6: I can't get there, rather than her saying, we're starting

1072
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 6: to look like the Nazis in the framework that we

1073
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 6: have set up with this education, So let's stop doing that.

1074
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 6: Let's not bomb these apartment buildings, Let's not bomb a

1075
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 6: tense city, like, let's not displace two million people and

1076
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 6: then bomb them in their tents. Let's not do that,

1077
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 6: because even if you don't care about the people themselves,

1078
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 6: it looks really bad.

1079
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 4: You're being way too logical, way too logical.

1080
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 6: So you're going to dial back, And okay, you can

1081
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 6: dial back holocaust education all you want. People as human

1082
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 6: beings understand that if a big, powerful force is bombing

1083
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 6: unarmed people in their tents, that is wrong. You don't

1084
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 6: actually need education to understand that. You understand that as

1085
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 6: a human. In fact, almost all animals understand that, not

1086
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 6: just humans in the animal kingdom, when animals like give

1087
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 6: themselves up oftentimes that that animal instinct devour them evaporates.

1088
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 6: Like you know, when two dogs are fighting, if the

1089
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 6: dog gives up and exposes its belly in its neck,

1090
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 6: the other dog will back off. That those dogs did

1091
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 6: not need education.

1092
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: To get there.

1093
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 6: It's a it's not just a human impulse. It's it's

1094
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 6: across the animal kingdom for the most part. And so

1095
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 6: you can go ahead and root out holocaust education all

1096
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 6: you want. People are still going to understand that if unarmed,

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Speaker 6: innocent civilians are being bombed intense that's wrong, and the

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Speaker 6: people doing the bombing are wrong and should be prosecuted

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Speaker 6: in jailed.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's going to understand that.

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Speaker 5: Some background on Sarah Hurwitz. She is a very sort

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Speaker 5: of mainstream democratic establishment figure. She was appointed by Barack

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Speaker 5: Obama to the US Holocaust Memorial Council right before the

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Speaker 5: end of his second term, right before Donald Trump took office.

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Speaker 5: Tried he from Michelle Obama, Barack Obama, General Wesley Clark.

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Speaker 5: John Kerry goes back to the early Odes, but has

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Speaker 5: done the tour of kind of normy centrist Democrats over

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Speaker 5: the last couple of decades.

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Speaker 6: So totally like I feel like I know her a

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Speaker 6: little bit, like she would be in my circles, like

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Speaker 6: and I'm sure like outside of this is like a

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Speaker 6: lovely person.

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Speaker 3: Wow, It's like what is what is?

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Speaker 6: What has what has broken in your brain to get

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Speaker 6: to a place where you think the problem is not

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Speaker 6: what's happening.

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Speaker 5: Or that it's okay to say that aloud. I mean

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Speaker 5: to say it aloud like you have a moral authority.

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Speaker 6: And as she was saying it felt like a thought

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Speaker 6: out It felt like a structured comment, not like an

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Speaker 6: offhanded remark that you make on a panel.

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Speaker 4: She felt smart and righteous for saying, Yes, I.

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Speaker 6: Think she had developed these thoughts, yes, planned them out,

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Speaker 6: and she's like, this is this is what I'm this

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Speaker 6: is what I'm going to talk about. Yeah, and this

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Speaker 6: is a useful thing that contribute.

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Speaker 5: Well, just as a reminder, like, increasingly the way elites

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Speaker 5: are going to talk about people who disagree with them

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Speaker 5: are as people with alternative facts who occupy different narrative silos,

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Speaker 5: And you know, it's going to be very patronizing, Like

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Speaker 5: it's not your fault, you're just getting bad information. You

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Speaker 5: can't be expected to know the truth when TikTok leads

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Speaker 5: you in this direction or when social media is pushing

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Speaker 5: you this way or that way, because we have no control.

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Speaker 5: And so that's increasingly going to be the way that

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Speaker 5: they treat just you me, normal people who have different

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Speaker 5: opinions than them, and viewers listeners who have different opinions

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Speaker 5: from them. Is you just occupy a different narrative silo

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Speaker 5: and you can't be expected.

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Speaker 4: To know the truth.

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Speaker 5: Like I know, I mean, I have been a speech writer,

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Speaker 5: my goodness for two decades, Like I know what's actually

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Speaker 5: going on here. But you, the poor average American who

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Speaker 5: is being confronted with crazy YouTubers. Uh, you know, we

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Speaker 5: just need to fix the system of information delivery delivery.

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Speaker 6: Maybe that'll work, I do, Like I would suggest stop

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Speaker 6: the killing starvation. Yeah, so nobody cares what I think, though,

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Speaker 6: well some people do.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Sarah does.

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Speaker 8: Kay