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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, we asked the question

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Speaker 1: again is it time for Chase Edmonds to be more

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Speaker 1: involved in the running game and the words of general

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Speaker 1: manager Steve Come, Thank God Buddha Baker is back, and

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Speaker 1: we look at how the rest of the NFC West

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Speaker 1: did in week five. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode three

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Speaker 1: thirty one, and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts, Visit Acy Cardinals dot Com,

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Speaker 1: Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, throws near sight

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Speaker 1: of Fitz pot Penis into the ends after the touchdown,

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Speaker 1: here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. So I'm in an

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Speaker 1: executive decision, MJ. That's on Tuesday. At least for this week,

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Speaker 1: we are still in victory Monday mode because we have

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Speaker 1: an extra day because of the Cardinals game against the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys on Monday Night Football. So I think it's fair

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Speaker 1: that we can enjoy what happened on Sunday against the

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Speaker 1: Jets for one more day. That's fine, but can't get

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Speaker 1: too high. He can't get too low. And I got

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Speaker 1: to hope the focuses on obviously going back and watching

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Speaker 1: the film, cleaning things up, and because can this be

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Speaker 1: a big twelve football game we're gonna see on Sunday?

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Speaker 1: Monday's not a bad comparison, considering the Cowboys score a

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Speaker 1: lot of points, they don't stop a lot of opposing offenses.

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Speaker 1: And we know the Cardinals aren't satisfied with whether at offensively.

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Speaker 1: And if you can improve upon thirty points, maybe less penalties,

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Speaker 1: less stall drives, as we chronicled on Monday Show, maybe

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals can put up thirty five Dare I say

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Speaker 1: forty points against the Cowboys? Yeah, but you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's always good to win, regardless of the opponent. I

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Speaker 1: always say, the NFL makes the schedule, and you play

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Speaker 1: who's next on the schedule. And I know, you know,

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Speaker 1: if they would have lost that game, the sky's fallen.

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Speaker 1: All the expectations, all the hype. They didn't live up

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Speaker 1: to it. So I'm glad we're not having that conversation.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I like some of the things they

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Speaker 1: did in this previous game. Obviously, you know, there was

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Speaker 1: where I thought those were winnable games. I think they're

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Speaker 1: you know, this one's winnable, but you know which team's

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Speaker 1: going to show up. But I really was encouraged the

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Speaker 1: way the line protected for Kyler Murray because you don't

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Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get out of Greg Williams. And

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Speaker 1: then the fact is they you know, we're able to

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Speaker 1: spread the ball around. Kyla Murray was much more accurate

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Speaker 1: so I think there's a lot to build on. So

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Speaker 1: I was encouraged with the passing game. And then obviously

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Speaker 1: you'd like to have more, uh, you know, rushing yards,

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Speaker 1: not from Kyle Murray, moved from Kenyan Drake and Chase Edmonds.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that because that is an interesting topic

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Speaker 1: of conversation. But with respect to the offensive line, I

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Speaker 1: want to point the Bird Gang to Aisycardinals dot Com

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Speaker 1: and our colleague Kylodguard, who does a great job looking

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Speaker 1: at the numbers in Pro Football Focus, and the offensive

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Speaker 1: line graded out very very well, especially DJ Humphries. Much

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Speaker 1: more on that can be found again on Asycardinals dot com.

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Speaker 1: All right, you brought it up the run game, Chase

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Speaker 1: Edmonds and Kenyan Drake, those two combine for twenty one

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Speaker 1: But there was talk even during the game and specifically

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Speaker 1: year after five games. Does Chase Edmonds need more touches,

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Speaker 1: not just in the passing game, but running the football? Yes.

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Speaker 1: And that was the one big difference as far as

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Speaker 1: we all know in this league you need two backs

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Speaker 1: their overall play the offensive line, it's not so much

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Speaker 1: It's not autumn mag You're going to run there. But

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Speaker 1: that's something that was a point of emphasis. But I

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Speaker 1: think you when they bring in another guy at your

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Speaker 1: position and it was the same draft class, and whether

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Speaker 1: you were a fifth round pick and he was a

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Speaker 1: fifth he could have been injected to be a second

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Speaker 1: round pick. I think it's competition. And I think when

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Speaker 1: he felt, hey, when I get back in there, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna make the most of it because now, all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, maybe he takes the reps from Chris Banjo,

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Speaker 1: who's more of a special teams guy. You know, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you've got a three man rotation

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Speaker 1: with Buddha Baker and both of the Thompson twins, and

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Speaker 1: they have enough reps under their belt now where they

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Speaker 1: should in show improvement. And I think it's a good

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Speaker 1: point you make as far as seeing someone in your spot,

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Speaker 1: your position all of a sudden excel or get better,

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Speaker 1: because Deonte Thompson should have been that guy coming out

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Speaker 1: of the gate as the fifth round pick and Jalen

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Speaker 1: Thompson arrived so late in the process, yet it didn't

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Speaker 1: take him long to supplant Deontay as the guy. And

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Speaker 1: we heard advance Joseph praise Jalen early on as far

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Speaker 1: as how physical he was, how good of a tackler

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Speaker 1: he was. And now perhaps, and we say it, all

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Speaker 1: these players develop at different rates. It takes some guys

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Speaker 1: longer than others. Case in point, Isaiah Simmons still trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out his way into this defense of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. But now with Jalen Thompson and Deontay Thompson,

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Speaker 1: I think you've got something there at the safety position,

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Speaker 1: and the question becomes how much can they do as

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Speaker 1: far as maybe one on one coverage if you get

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Speaker 1: lost in the cornerback discussion or there's something or there's

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Speaker 1: an issue on that side of the field. Well, I

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Speaker 1: just think the secondary settling down now. Obviously bringing Buddha

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Speaker 1: Baker bag helps it, you know, tremendosuly, But I think

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Speaker 1: the corners are settling down now, you got it, you know,

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Speaker 1: your Patrick Peterson And again I thought he played well,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously we're going to judge him on physicality

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Speaker 1: and normally don't say that about a cover corner. And

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Speaker 1: then you look at dray Ker Patrick, he's playing more time,

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Speaker 1: and then Byron Murphy he's still getting picked on a

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Speaker 1: little bit here. So when you look at it, all

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Speaker 1: these guys have been in the system for the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. And then if you're throwing the three

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Speaker 1: safeties with the backups in banjo and you know either

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Speaker 1: Charles Washington and when you know Kevin Peterson's backing up

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Speaker 1: at corner, I really think you know the six guys

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Speaker 1: that they're going to roll out every week. There's upside

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Speaker 1: to all those guys just based on being in advances

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Speaker 1: system for the second year in a row. Well, this

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Speaker 1: is going to be a big test for that secondary

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Speaker 1: coming up on Monday Night football. When you look at

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys and their depth at wide receiver, Amari Cooper,

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Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, Ceedee Lamb, who's certainly turning heads and his

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Speaker 1: first year in the National Football League, and this is

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Speaker 1: a team that certainly can throw the ball put up

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Speaker 1: points it regardless of who the quarterback might be. So

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Speaker 1: a nice test to see, all right, you did well

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Speaker 1: against the Jets, can you do it against the Cowboys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I was able to look it up as you

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Speaker 1: were talking. Technically, there's five teams that are over thirty

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Speaker 1: points a game, starting with Green Bay. They're coming off

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Speaker 1: a bye. Seattle has a buy this week the first time,

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Speaker 1: and they've been unbeaten in Seahawks history. Dallas thirty one

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Speaker 1: point four, Buffalo thirty one. They're playing on Tuesday against

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Speaker 1: the Titans, and then Las Vegas apressive win over Tan

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. Now, you do have about four teams at

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Speaker 1: twenty nine, so basically it was ten, then it was eight,

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Speaker 1: so we can give or take. It's usually between six

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Speaker 1: and ten, and I would hope at some point we're

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Speaker 1: talking about the Arizona Cardinals in there. You know, the

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Speaker 1: Rams are averaging twenty seven points a game, the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: are averaging twenty six. Baltimore's averaging twenty five, Carolina in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco twenty five. So the right in the mix,

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Speaker 1: and again we go back to stalled drives. You can

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Speaker 1: add at least three to four more points each game

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals. And we're being kind there. I'm only

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Speaker 1: going thirty three percent of fifteen Obviously drives that have

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Speaker 1: stalled and I wonder if that number of teams averaging

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Speaker 1: thirty goes down a little bit further as the defenses

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Speaker 1: kind of catch up to where the offenses are right now,

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Speaker 1: or if it just kind of stays somewhat flat, because

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Speaker 1: there were certain lot of a teams coming out of

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Speaker 1: the gate scoring twenty five, thirty, thirty five points and

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Speaker 1: everyone's wondering, well, why aren't the Cardinals in that mix?

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Speaker 1: Because a second year head coach, second year quarterback, same

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Speaker 1: offensive system, and we haven't quite seen that on a

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Speaker 1: consistent basis yet. Yeah, last year, the Cardinals average twenty

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Speaker 1: two point four points per game, so they're obviously ahead,

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Speaker 1: but I want to see that number get to twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: twenty nine, and possibly thirty, and that means a team's

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Speaker 1: able to move the Football Bird Gang. If you like

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Speaker 1: here on this Tuesday edition of Cardinals Covered two, presented

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Speaker 1: by a Hunday proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, as

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Speaker 1: we do each and every Tuesday here during the course

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Speaker 1: of the season, it's time to go inside. The NFC West,

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Speaker 1: one of the better divisions and all of football no

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Speaker 1: longer the only division with all teams at or above

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Speaker 1: five hundred's because the forty nine ers lost again. We'll

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Speaker 1: get into them in a moment, but right now, the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks standing head and shoulders above everyone else. Off to

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Speaker 1: a five and are five and oh start excuse me,

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Speaker 1: their best start in franchise history. They beat the Vikings

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Speaker 1: MJ on Sunday Night Football twenty seven to twenty six,

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Speaker 1: although it did not look good early. They trailed thirteen

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Speaker 1: to nothing before rallying back. Yeah, and then come out

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Speaker 1: in a third coordinary scored twenty one points. And you know,

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Speaker 1: this is what the NFL games come down to. You

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Speaker 1: go back to last year, that NFC Championship game where

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Speaker 1: you know, basically Seattle had a chance to score a

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Speaker 1: touch on the goal line, and the nf Blues in

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Speaker 1: that game would hear you know, if you're Mike Zimmer,

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Speaker 1: you're done by five, why don't you kick the field goal?

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Speaker 1: And go up by eight, and unfortunately that didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: And you gotta give Wilson credit because both DK Metcalf

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Speaker 1: and Tyler Lockett actually dropped passes and they he still

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Speaker 1: went back to them. I think their offensive line is

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Speaker 1: still not up to part, but we know that Hugh

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Speaker 1: Deeney covers a lot of those blemishes. Defensively, they do

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Speaker 1: give up points. Um, you know, the backup running back

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Speaker 1: what was his name, Patterson Madison, he had one hundred

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Speaker 1: and twelve yards. They give up two hundred yards on

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Speaker 1: the ground. And now, granted, you know when Russell Wilson's

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Speaker 1: you know, throwing for you know, three or four touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: you know that's how it's working out. But this the

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Speaker 1: first time, believe it or not, in franchise history, they

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Speaker 1: started off five and oh and they have a bye

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Speaker 1: this week. Yeah. They win on a six yard touchdown

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Speaker 1: pass from Wilson to Metcalf with fifteen seconds to play.

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Speaker 1: A nice diving catch coming across the middle of the

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Speaker 1: end zone capped a ninety five yard drive only because

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Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer's decision to go forward on within one at

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Speaker 1: the Seattle five. Be interesting to know if there were

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Speaker 1: fans and attendance, and the twelfth man was alive, and

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Speaker 1: well do you go forward in that situation or do

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Speaker 1: you kick the field goal? The numbers, the analytical numbers

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Speaker 1: say it was the right decision win it on the

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Speaker 1: field at that point. Yet, I understand what you're saying, MJ.

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Speaker 1: That now all of a sudden year given Russell Wilson, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's the length of the football field, but he is

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Speaker 1: certainly phenomenal this season and next to Dak Prescott, the

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Speaker 1: best quarterback in the league through the first five weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yet that's a lot of time to give him in

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Speaker 1: order to operate. Now, Wilson did throw an interception in

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Speaker 1: the second a half, which is very unusual. I mean,

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Speaker 1: his numbers are remarkable, you know, touchdown a interception ratio. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My thing is, though, if you're up by eight, they

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Speaker 1: got to go to the length of the field and

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Speaker 1: they got to get a two point conversion. But we

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Speaker 1: do know that head coaches across the league, and we've

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Speaker 1: got one here in Cliff Kingsbury, nine times out of

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Speaker 1: ten and maybe ten times out of ten coaches are

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Speaker 1: going to be more app to go for it on

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Speaker 1: fourth down. No, I agree, and you got to believe

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Speaker 1: in your team and the fact that you know, they

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Speaker 1: had a thirteen nothing leading, and we talked about the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks scoring twenty one points, but you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's it's tough because they lose one of their top

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Speaker 1: backs in Delphin Cook and looks like he's gonna be out.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I thought, you know, Gary Kubiak called

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Speaker 1: a good game. They had the Seahawks on their heels

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Speaker 1: at times, but they couldn't do it for four quarters.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson now nineteen touchdown passes this season, five of

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Speaker 1: which have gone to DK Metcalf, who is having a

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Speaker 1: great second season. The Seahawks, by the way, are off

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Speaker 1: this weekend. Their next game well at State Farm Stadium,

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Speaker 1: as they'll play the Cardinals in week seven. The Rams

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Speaker 1: improved to four and one, beat Washington thirty to ten.

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Speaker 1: The Rams go four and oh against the NFC East.

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Speaker 1: Do we crowd them right now? The Vision Champs, the

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Speaker 1: Rams NFC East. No, because they don't play in the

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Speaker 1: NFC East and their lone loss was to the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 1: and so that's good. They got four conference wins. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to you know, take care of business

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Speaker 1: in your division. But I think Jared Goff quietly is

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Speaker 1: having a good season. Now you look at his numbers

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Speaker 1: in that game, twenty one to thirty three oh nine,

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Speaker 1: two touchdowns, you know, one interception, But they're they're going

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Speaker 1: running back by committee basically, and it's Acres. He was

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Speaker 1: dealing with an injury. And then you got Henderson and Brown.

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Speaker 1: They ran for one hundred and thirty. It's hard to qualify,

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Speaker 1: you know, because they were playing the Washington football team.

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Speaker 1: They started with Kyle Allen, then they brought in Alex Smith.

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Speaker 1: That team is trying to find some identity. Obviously, you

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Speaker 1: feel for Dwayne Haskins. He was sick, but he was

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Speaker 1: going to be inactive and clearly they're ready to move

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Speaker 1: on from him. So but that's the NFL. You gotta

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Speaker 1: go on the road and you gotta win games. And

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Speaker 1: they did that and I think, slowly but surely, Craig,

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Speaker 1: their defense is starting to come together. Now we're gonna

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Speaker 1: see focus on Aaron Donald four sacks, but they got

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Speaker 1: some other guys there and it's not the household names

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Speaker 1: were Newton, you know, the Brockers and all that other

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Speaker 1: stuff and you know guys that they had there, you know,

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Speaker 1: even in Guili Clay Matthews. But slowly, but Shirley and

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Speaker 1: I think they made that switch to go with a

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Speaker 1: But you could see it slowly, but surely they are

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Speaker 1: in the NFC. Talking about the Rams, and you mentioned

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Speaker 1: the four sacks by Aaron Donald, eight sacks total in

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Speaker 1: that contest. Six on Alex Smith, who right now come

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Speaker 1: back story of the year, comeback player of the year.

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Speaker 1: Remarkable performance by him, just to make it on the field.

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Speaker 1: Yet he gets on the field and he's graded with

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Speaker 1: six sacks, including a couple by Aaron Donald. Well, and

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Speaker 1: then he got a guy named Reader. He had ten tackles,

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Speaker 1: three sacks, two tackle for losses, three quarterback it's and

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Speaker 1: again Brockers is still there. Aaron Donald, you know, he

642
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Speaker 1: had four sacks for twenty three yards. Again, I was

643
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Speaker 1: questionable about the move, but when you talk to people

644
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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, they thought, you know nothing, It was

645
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Speaker 1: nothing against Wade. I think you know, Sean came in

646
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Speaker 1: and he wanted to have a defensive head coach, and

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00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: he just focused on the offense. And we know, you know,

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Speaker 1: he would be sitting under water cooler, wing golf, would

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Speaker 1: come off the field, he wouldn't even pay attention to

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Speaker 1: the defense. So but I, you know, I thought this

651
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Speaker 1: was the year the Cardinals are gonna have to jump

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Speaker 1: the Rams. But maybe maybe this is the year the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals jumped the Niners and they're still gonna have to

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Speaker 1: do with the Rams. And we know that when mcvay's

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Speaker 1: been there, they've been the hammer and we've been the nail.

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Speaker 1: Rams will travel to the forty nine Ers on Sunday

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Speaker 1: Night Football, So back to back Sunday Night Football games

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Speaker 1: in which the NFC West is highlighted, and of course

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals and Cowboys on Monday Night Football. So good

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Speaker 1: primetime matchups for the NFC West. This week, the forty

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Speaker 1: nine Ers, they are sitting in fourth place in the division.

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Speaker 1: They lose once again, this time to the Dolphins forty

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Speaker 1: three seventeen. The forty nine Ers two and three. Ryan

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick three hundred and fifty yards passing and three touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: But when you look at the forty nine ers. The

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Speaker 1: good news Jim mc Garoppolo returned, well, maybe he returned

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00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: too quickly because that ankle injury. He struggled through two

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Speaker 1: first half interceptions and was replaced at halftime by CJ.

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Speaker 1: Beth There no decision from Kyle Shanahan as far as

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen moving forward. I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of it, MJ. Depends on Garoppolo's help as the week progresses. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as we are watching the Cardinals game against the Jets,

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00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: was glancing at the scoreboard and it was thirty to

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Speaker 1: seven at the half. Now, listen to Shanahan yesterday and

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Speaker 1: he said he thought it was in his best interest

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Speaker 1: to take Garoppolo out of that game. He said he

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Speaker 1: didn't want to get him beat up. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Nick Mullins Show looks like that's over and c J. Bethard,

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Speaker 1: but I never really believed the Nets Bowl hangover. You know,

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Speaker 1: but you can make the case that have the Falcons

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00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: recovered from that lead twenty eighth to three year was it?

682
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: And they just fired their GM and head coach. I

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00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: didn't buy it, I thought, you know, but let's be honest,

684
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Speaker 1: though they've been decimated with injuries, but everyone has them.

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Speaker 1: It's just when you lose Bosa and Solomon Thomas and

686
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Speaker 1: you didn't have your top wide receivers and George Kittle

687
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: can only do so much there. So, but they definitely

688
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Speaker 1: are not going to be a thirteen and three team

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Speaker 1: this year. No, They've already had as many losses as

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Speaker 1: they did all of last season and it's only getting wars.

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Speaker 1: Richard Sherman was scheduled to return to practice this week,

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Speaker 1: but that won't happen after he suffered a setback, according

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Speaker 1: to Shanahan Sherman on the IR because of a calf injury.

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Speaker 1: And then I found this interesting. One of the writers

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Speaker 1: who covers the forty nine ers was looking ahead the

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Speaker 1: next seven games here for the forty nine ers. Why

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Speaker 1: that many people believe the forty nine ers are going

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Speaker 1: to be left in the dust when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the rest of the division. Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 1: The next seven games for the forty nine ers Rams

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Speaker 1: at Patriots, at Seahawks, home to the Packers at Saints

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Speaker 1: at Rams home to the Bills. Seven teams that are

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Speaker 1: all right there in their own division and on top

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Speaker 1: of their respective conferences as far as some of the

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Speaker 1: best offenses and defenses in the National Football League, and

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Speaker 1: that's who the forty nine ers are going to face.

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Speaker 1: You talk about a first place schedule, that is what

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Speaker 1: a first place schedule looks like. Yeah, good thing. John

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Speaker 1: Lynch and Kyle Shanning got six year contracts. It's not

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Speaker 1: going to be easy, especially if you've got a banged

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Speaker 1: up quarterback and your backup. Maybe you're not as high

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Speaker 1: on anymore. Yeah, but I you know, Bethard's been in

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Speaker 1: the system before they got Garoppolo. Nick Mullins obviously was

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Speaker 1: he was intriguing. He played really well in those first

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Speaker 1: two games, and you know he's kind of got the

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Speaker 1: mentality if a gunst thing or like Brett Farard. He

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Speaker 1: went to the same school. But the way he came

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Speaker 1: out on that national game and the first two passes,

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Speaker 1: I mean he had use checking the flat on a

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Speaker 1: wheelhouse route and he just flat out and missed him,

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Speaker 1: and then everything else from that point on went down.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you look at that, and then it is

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Speaker 1: the first place schedule and they haven't won at home

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Speaker 1: this year, right correct, They're all in three, They're two

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Speaker 1: wins have become at MetLife Stadium against the jetson Giants,

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Speaker 1: and you're supposed to take care of business and he

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Speaker 1: blew those teams out. But they're all in three at home. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and just the way they performed was a surprise to

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins, because whether you win or lose, that's one thing.

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Speaker 1: And then Miami, I think is kind of a roll

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Speaker 1: up and down team right now. But to get blown

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Speaker 1: out at home to a team that was traveling from

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Speaker 1: east to west certainly raised some eyebrows. I think it

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Speaker 1: was telling when they lost to the Eagles forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers on that Sunday night because Philadelphia was reeling Carson Wentz.

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Speaker 1: You know, they draft Jalen Hurts and they want to

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Speaker 1: put him in the game and Carson Wentz doesn't know

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Speaker 1: how to slide um and they in the interplusing that

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Speaker 1: game twenty five twenty that that was telling to me

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Speaker 1: because it was almost like a boxing match where the

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Speaker 1: Eagles were on the ropes and every opportunity. And that's

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Speaker 1: and that's only not only um it was a home game,

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Speaker 1: but also it was it was a conference game. And again,

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Speaker 1: at this point it's probably miscellaneous to worry about that,

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Speaker 1: but um, I guess that Super Bowl hangover is reel.

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Speaker 1: Here is what the division looks like four Week six,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks are off and the Rams will travel to

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. Obviously, the Cardinals have the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: on Monday Night Football. Seahawks five and oh, Rams four

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Speaker 1: and one, Cardinals three and two, forty nine Ers two

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Speaker 1: and three. Certainly one of the tougher divisions and all

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Speaker 1: of football, and right now perhaps just a three team

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Speaker 1: race if you believe as we just said what happens

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Speaker 1: here over the next seven games for the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: Can they keep pace given the gauntlet of games that

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Speaker 1: are ahead of the on the schedule. Yeah, and right

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Speaker 1: now the Cardinals are three in two, Tampa's three and two,

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Speaker 1: Carolina is three and two, so they're all bunched up

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Speaker 1: for that seven, eight and nine seed. Obviously it's two

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Speaker 1: really started getting into seating, but we all know this

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Speaker 1: year's seven teams in each conference, and whoever it happens

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Speaker 1: to be the number one seed, they are the only

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Speaker 1: teams going to get to buy in the first round.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be fascinating Week fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen

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Speaker 1: in Craig, I really believe nine wins could get you

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Speaker 1: into the postseason. I love the fact that you are

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Speaker 1: looking at the playoff standings for the second week in

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Speaker 1: a row here on Cardinals cover two. Well, yesterday the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals were like an eight or nine seed. They're actually

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Speaker 1: a seven seed. And it means absolutely nothing right now. No,

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Speaker 1: but it is a nice talking point and as we say,

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Speaker 1: it beats the alternative because we haven't been in this

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Speaker 1: position in quite some time. Well, if you're Philadelphia, in

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Speaker 1: Detroit and Washington and Minnesota, you're like a thirteen seat.

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Speaker 1: So lease, we're in the conver versation now. Again, a

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Speaker 1: lot of football still be played. Well, let's make sure

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals stay in that conversation with a win at

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Speaker 1: Dallas on Monday night. Football will get heavier into the

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Speaker 1: details on the Dallas Cowboys coming up later on in

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Speaker 1: the week. Certainly, the storyline MJ is going to be

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, that is one storyline. Dak Prescott hurt, Andy

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Speaker 1: Dalton comes in, and then the return of Cliff Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray to Texas. Yeah, I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: getting into that matchup and just came out right now

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals have signed Prince Akamura to the practice squad

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Speaker 1: and Jaalen Brown has been released from the practice squad.

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Speaker 1: So the cornerback addition that we talked about late last

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Speaker 1: week has become official, and we're seeing a lot of

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Speaker 1: these veterans added to practice squads because of the new

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Speaker 1: rules be given COVID nineteen that you can have veterans

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Speaker 1: on the practice squad. Yeah, local guy from Apollo, Correct, Correct, Glendale, Apollo.

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Speaker 1: He was a draft pick with the New York Giants

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Speaker 1: and then he played in Chicago and then he's bounced

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Speaker 1: around and according to the Cardinals, they felt like they

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Speaker 1: had some interests and during the offseason and then he

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00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: decided to go to the Raiders and he was let

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Speaker 1: go there. So to me, you're talking about an experienced guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, in other words, you don't have to rely

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Speaker 1: on some fifth string guy. He has experience, he's familiar

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Speaker 1: with the conference. So you can never have enough corners.

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Speaker 1: And if something happens there, which we're not, they don't

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Speaker 1: need to have any more injuries in that secondary. At

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Speaker 1: least you got a guy that you know can come

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Speaker 1: in and play right away. Yeah, knock on wood. It's

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Speaker 1: not needed, but always good to have it in your

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Speaker 1: back pocket. And on that note, we will put a

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Speaker 1: lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals Special. Thanks as always

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Speaker 1: to our executive producer Jim Mo Mondro. For Mike Jarecki,

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Speaker 1: I'm Craig Rayel Loop. We'll dot to you next time

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Speaker 1: you're on Cardinals Cover two.