WEBVTT - Ep. 469: Crime, Cutlery, and Just Say H2nO

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<v Speaker 1>From Meat Eaters World News Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calahan. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>cal Scientists just can't stop giving drugs to fish lately.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple weeks ago, we brought you the story of

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<v Speaker 1>researchers dosing salmon with cocaine and observing them unsurprisingly going

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<v Speaker 1>into beast mode. Beast mode, of course, being the technical

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<v Speaker 1>scientific term for swimming faster and farther than other fish,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as wearing blazers with the sleeves rolled up.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, we learned of a group of much groovy

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<v Speaker 1>er scientists who administered the active ingredient in psychedelic mushrooms

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<v Speaker 1>to several mangrove rivolus, a fish species known for its aggression,

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<v Speaker 1>to study the effects of the compound on social behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>The makes a good test subject because it can reproduce asexually,

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<v Speaker 1>resulting in multiple fish with the exact same genetics, which

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<v Speaker 1>allows researchers to rule out gene variations as a cause

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<v Speaker 1>of the experiment's outcome. Mangrove rivulus are also extremely cool

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<v Speaker 1>because they can survive out of water for more than

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<v Speaker 1>two months straight, breathing air through their skin while eating

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<v Speaker 1>mosquitos and other flying insects. They travel across land by

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<v Speaker 1>curling their front halves upward and then flapping their tails

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<v Speaker 1>down backflipping several times the length of their own bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're confused by this, you know, watch somebody do

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<v Speaker 1>the worm on the old YouTube. It's dance move that

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<v Speaker 1>the kids used to do. Not surprisingly, the psilocybin really

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<v Speaker 1>enhanced the fish's mellow, making them react more peacefully to

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<v Speaker 1>other fish they interacted with. The rivulus are also listening

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of Jimi Hendrix and really getting into

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<v Speaker 1>macrome these days. The scientists say the results show the therapeutic

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<v Speaker 1>possibilities of psychedelic therapy for people. Which, sure, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure how similar the nervous systems of one inch long

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<v Speaker 1>brackish water dwelling fish and a human being might be,

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<v Speaker 1>but it seems like everyone could use a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of mental reset in twenty twenty six. Plus, listening to

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<v Speaker 1>more Jimmy is always the right choice. This week we've

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<v Speaker 1>got Conservation Landscape, the Crime Desk, Cutlery, and so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>But first I'm going to tell you about my week

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<v Speaker 1>and my week Well, she's been busy the baby boy

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<v Speaker 1>is nearly fully baked. The last ultrasound is very human.

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<v Speaker 1>Mama is doing great. And we've been eating turkey legs

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<v Speaker 1>and wings. Now I put turkey legs and wings, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is a very complicated recipe, So stay with me

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<v Speaker 1>in the crock pot with water, skin on. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Turn your crockpot on low for like eight hours or more.

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<v Speaker 1>You can put it on high for six hours something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Typically I'll run two at a time so

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<v Speaker 1>I can get everything in while I'm doing stock or

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<v Speaker 1>just like processing in general. If I have some bits

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<v Speaker 1>and pieces that I want to like make for pre

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<v Speaker 1>made meals, which are making a lot of premade meals

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<v Speaker 1>right now waiting on this kid to come. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's right, all of you who just can't

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<v Speaker 1>or won't imagine eating turkey legs and wings if you

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<v Speaker 1>put them in a crock pot with the skin on

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<v Speaker 1>and cover with water for eight hours or so, then

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<v Speaker 1>shred the meat you have regular old turkey, but it's moist.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do this while I'm also making turkey stock. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you want like a little little extra little trick,

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<v Speaker 1>when your turkey stock gets nice and cool and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>fat and oil comes up to the surface. You can

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<v Speaker 1>dip a ladle in there gently, just breaking the surface tension,

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<v Speaker 1>and all that fat will fill in the ladle. And

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<v Speaker 1>you do this three four, five times, depending on how

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<v Speaker 1>big your stock pot is, and dump that fat back

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<v Speaker 1>into the shredded leg meat. Anybody who has ever worked

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<v Speaker 1>with wild game understands that it can dry very quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you do this, it will just suck up

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<v Speaker 1>all that moisture and fat. And I swear to God,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't even need to put salt on this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It is good. You can fry it for carnitas, you

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<v Speaker 1>can make barbecue sandwiches, you can make a quick vegetable

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<v Speaker 1>soup this summer out of the garden and drop in

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<v Speaker 1>a frozen bag of this stuff. At the very end.

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<v Speaker 1>The sky is the limit with this stuff. I put

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<v Speaker 1>it in pint bags, vacuum seal it, and throw it

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<v Speaker 1>in the freezer for later use enchiladas, burritos, you'd have

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<v Speaker 1>a turkey salad, sandwich, whatever. But it is good. You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be shocked at how much meat comes off of

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff and how tasty it really is. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I leave the skin on is because that's like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a little bit of fat in there. It breaks

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<v Speaker 1>down completely in the slow cooker and I'll just when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shredding it, lay all the meat out and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of just rough chop it all into uniform pieces. You

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<v Speaker 1>won't even know the fats in there. It's great, And

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<v Speaker 1>if for some reason it's still like a little tough,

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<v Speaker 1>you can just put that stuff in the pressure cooker

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<v Speaker 1>for another eight hours. Doesn't cost you nothing, but what

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<v Speaker 1>you will gain is the feeling of pride and responsibility,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that you have used every bit of your turkey.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you start doing this stuff, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>really hard to pass up those jakes on public land

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<v Speaker 1>because you're just like, oh my gosh, this stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>so valuable. Another piece of news on the backcountry hunters

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<v Speaker 1>and anglers front, this is not something I take lightly.

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<v Speaker 1>We have filed a lawsuit asking for declaratory judgment against

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<v Speaker 1>the State Game Agency Montana, Fish, WILDLFE and Parks. The

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<v Speaker 1>state has been increasing the language around accessing public land

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<v Speaker 1>through corners or corner crossing over the last couple of years,

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<v Speaker 1>which from a state perspective, has always been a gray area,

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<v Speaker 1>and most typically the agency has recommended that hunters get

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<v Speaker 1>adjacent landowner permission before walking from public land to public land,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the case that a landowner would want to

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<v Speaker 1>see that person ticketed, it would be referred to the

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<v Speaker 1>county attorney's office, and throughout state history, that's essentially where

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<v Speaker 1>it enns. Cases that actually go beyond that are thrown out.

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<v Speaker 1>Most just do not go anywhere, and there's no ticket

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<v Speaker 1>if you're truly corner crossing, which is walking from public

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<v Speaker 1>land to public land without making contact to private land

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<v Speaker 1>that is adjacent, which means you're not causing damage, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not loitering or lingering on private property, there is no trespass,

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<v Speaker 1>or it would be considered what is known as deminimus truspass,

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<v Speaker 1>which is how we as a society function in every state.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, I live in a cookie cutter neighborhood. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to take care of the sidewalk in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the house and the little sliver of lawn beyond it

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<v Speaker 1>which the public uses. Now, we are also a castle

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<v Speaker 1>doctrine state, so if I feel threatened, I could theoretically

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<v Speaker 1>shoot someone on my property. But if that person is

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<v Speaker 1>on the sidewalk and we're to gesture over the lawn,

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<v Speaker 1>thusly invading my airspace right. And private property law in

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<v Speaker 1>this country comes from the Romans and the English right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called the heaven to Hell doctrine. Whereas my little

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<v Speaker 1>sliver runs to the center of the earth and to

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<v Speaker 1>the heavens, And if somebody were to felt threatened, I

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<v Speaker 1>could shoot them right well, kinda, it is trustpass, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is deminimous trustpass. And if you were to shoot

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<v Speaker 1>that person, your butt would be in jail. That's also

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<v Speaker 1>how like stream access laws work. This is not an

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<v Speaker 1>agree just taking of private property rights doesn't inhibit a

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<v Speaker 1>landowner in any way. Currently, there's about eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one thousand acres of public ground in Montana, so

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<v Speaker 1>called corner locked or corner accessible, and those acres. For

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<v Speaker 1>everyone who has come to this state and said, holy cow,

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<v Speaker 1>public lands are crowded during hunting season and at certain

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<v Speaker 1>times and in certain areas, you are absolutely right. Those

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred and seventy one thousand acres are already in play.

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<v Speaker 1>They're being used. So what happens if we allow the

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<v Speaker 1>state to remove those acres from play? That's where we're

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<v Speaker 1>at the value of a hunting season is so great

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<v Speaker 1>we cannot allow opinion to remove access and the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>that goes with it. As I like to say, every

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<v Speaker 1>season is some kids very first and an old dog's last.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, it's invaluable moving on for kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a solemn situation. Over there in the Great La States,

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the Michigan United Conservation Clubs called it

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<v Speaker 1>quits after ninety years. Back in nineteen thirty seven, hunters

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<v Speaker 1>and anglers from across the state joined together to speak

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<v Speaker 1>with one voice on conservation issues, instead of focusing only

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<v Speaker 1>on trout or deer or one particular watershed. They recognize

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<v Speaker 1>the need to join all those interests together when advocating

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<v Speaker 1>for or against certain game laws in lansing. A huge

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<v Speaker 1>amount of wildlife policy happens in the States, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a critical level of power to advance agendas that benefit everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>MUCC was extremely effective for decades, drawing funding both from

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<v Speaker 1>individual members and from affiliate clubs. MUCC was instrumental in

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<v Speaker 1>some of Michigan's signature environmental victories, including establishing the Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>Natural Resources Trust Fund, which dedicates resources from oil, gas

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<v Speaker 1>and mineral extraction to acquiring and maintaining publicly accessible land.

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<v Speaker 1>Since nineteen eighty four, the fund has granted one point

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<v Speaker 1>four billion dollars to state and local governments for land

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<v Speaker 1>in every single county in the state. In large part

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<v Speaker 1>because of mucc's work, Michigan is one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>places in the nation to get outside, even though it

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<v Speaker 1>has so many people. They were a key part of

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<v Speaker 1>passing the nineteen seventy six Bottle Bill, establishing a ten

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<v Speaker 1>cent deposit on bottles and cans. After just four years,

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<v Speaker 1>a study showed that the law had reduced litter by

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<v Speaker 1>forty percent and was saving fifteen thousand tons of aluminum

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty five thousand tons of glass every year. MUCC

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<v Speaker 1>was also an important educator, publishing magazines, holding instructional events,

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<v Speaker 1>and running summer camps for kids, bringing younger generations into hunting, angling,

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<v Speaker 1>and advocating for animal species in wild places. They also

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<v Speaker 1>helped to educate me a whole bunch if you listen

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<v Speaker 1>back to episode two sixty three, where they take me

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<v Speaker 1>through all the issues involved with coyote hunting and scientific

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<v Speaker 1>management in Michigan. Despite all these strengths, the organization ran

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<v Speaker 1>into funding problems over the past several years and recognized

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<v Speaker 1>that they couldn't keep the lights. But we need organizations

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<v Speaker 1>like MUCC, and maybe there's some Michiganders out there who

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<v Speaker 1>want to start something new that can speak for all hunters,

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<v Speaker 1>anglers and trappers in the state and bring in new

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<v Speaker 1>people who want to get involved. There's tons of great

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<v Speaker 1>organizations that were a part of MUCC, Michigan Backhountry, Hunters

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<v Speaker 1>and Anglers being one. There's some butt kickers on that crew.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd strongly suggest you look into our organization there in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>I know Professes Forever is very active in the state,

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<v Speaker 1>as is DU. We've got to make sure good things

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<v Speaker 1>fill the void that MUCC is leaving. Moving on to

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, we're issuing another call to our New Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>listeners to stay on top of an issue we've covered before.

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<v Speaker 1>Two bills are working their way through the legislature that

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<v Speaker 1>would change the makeup of the state's Fish and Game Council,

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<v Speaker 1>requiring three of the seats on the council to be

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<v Speaker 1>filled by animal rights activists. The council is the body

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<v Speaker 1>overseeing the New Jersey Fishing Game Code to protect and

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<v Speaker 1>develop on wildlife for hunting and fishing, and they help

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<v Speaker 1>decide which animals and how many can be taken. Currently,

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<v Speaker 1>the Council is made up of three farmer representatives, six

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<v Speaker 1>hunting and angling representatives, the chair of the States Endangered

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<v Speaker 1>in Non Game Species Advisory Committee, and one expert in

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<v Speaker 1>land use in soil conservation issues. The proposed bills would

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<v Speaker 1>keep the same number of total seats on the Council,

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<v Speaker 1>but would replace three of the hunter angler seats with

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<v Speaker 1>three members recommended by animal welfare organizations in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>These new bills are the same ones carried from last

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<v Speaker 1>year and given new titles. We've seen what this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of takeover can look like in Colorado, for example, when

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<v Speaker 1>animal rights appointees on the Parks and Wildlife Commission recently

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<v Speaker 1>approved the petition to outlaw for trapping there, not only

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<v Speaker 1>would animal rights activists oppose all hunting policy in New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>they're also focused specifically on the state's black bear hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>The New Jersey bear season is currently authorized through twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven, but the Fishing Game Council still has to

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<v Speaker 1>reauthorize the hunt before the twenty twenty eight season can

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead. If anti hunters can get onto the Council.

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<v Speaker 1>They can simply delay the whole process until the hunt

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<v Speaker 1>authorization expires on its own, which would be disastrous, especially

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<v Speaker 1>for the bears of the Garden State. Nowhere else in

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<v Speaker 1>the country has such dense populations of both bears and

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<v Speaker 1>people lived right on top of each other. In parts

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<v Speaker 1>of New Jersey, there are two point six bears per

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<v Speaker 1>square mile. Most biologists agree that a stable carrying capacity

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<v Speaker 1>for bears is only about one per square mile. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>a place like Klamath, California has more black bears than that,

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<v Speaker 1>but New Jersey has almost forty times as many people

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<v Speaker 1>per square mile. That means bears getting hit by cars

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<v Speaker 1>and getting shot after eating from dumpsters and raiding convenience stores.

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<v Speaker 1>So New Jersey listeners call your reps to vote these

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<v Speaker 1>bills down in the state Assembly it's built two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five and in the Senate it's built four to

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one. And will repost these on the cal To

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<v Speaker 1>action site. Public opinion has really shifted on this and

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<v Speaker 1>more people in the Garden State are on board with

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<v Speaker 1>the bear hunt, but it's never a sure thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>the antis are working hard on this one. An important

0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.480
<v Speaker 1>thing to remember when we're advocating on these issues, is

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<v Speaker 1>you got to start from the from the beginning and

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<v Speaker 1>give people the whole enchilada, the whole context, the whole

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<v Speaker 1>Turkey leg enchilada. The reason being is there's been multiple

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<v Speaker 1>studies out there, and the person who is adjacent to

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<v Speaker 1>hunting but does not hunt, has a much lower understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of how regulated hunting actually works in this country. So

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know that there's biological surveys and there's an

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of population health and density, whether it's on the

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<v Speaker 1>growth or the decline, and then our tags are issued

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<v Speaker 1>in accordance with those numbers. They furthermore don't understand that

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<v Speaker 1>tags represent opportunity and they don't just represent a dead animal.

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<v Speaker 1>So ask people where they're at, what their knowledge level

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<v Speaker 1>is is. Don't call them stupid for not knowing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I am adjacent to the game of golf. I know

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<v Speaker 1>people who do it, I have done it on occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>There are golf courses around here. I don't truly understand

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<v Speaker 1>the rules and regulations of golf. Okay, just an example.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving on to the cutlery desk, Chinese scientists have uncovered

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<v Speaker 1>stone cutting tools that significantly revise our understanding of what

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<v Speaker 1>our early human ancestors were capable of. The particular hominin

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<v Speaker 1>in question here is Homo juliensis a species that existed

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<v Speaker 1>from about three hundred thousand years ago to about fifty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago, primarily in Asia. This is the same

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<v Speaker 1>approximate timeframe as Neanderthals, but scientists had until now assumed

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<v Speaker 1>that life was much more basic for these relatives of ours,

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<v Speaker 1>and that they hadn't developed sophisticated tool making. This is

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<v Speaker 1>like a typical human thing where we always like to

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<v Speaker 1>assume we are so much more advanced than anybody who

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<v Speaker 1>came before us. Recent discoveries of napped cutting tools right

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<v Speaker 1>napping is where you're whacking rocks against each other to

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<v Speaker 1>get a shape and surface to perform the job that

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<v Speaker 1>you want. Napped cutting tools seemed to disprove this theory,

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<v Speaker 1>but unfortunately, you can't carbon date stone, and so scientists

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know exactly when the tools had been made. However,

0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.400
<v Speaker 1>there's more than one way to skin a cat or

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<v Speaker 1>a Pleistocene cat to tell how old those tool is

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<v Speaker 1>that may have been used for skin and cats. Alongside

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<v Speaker 1>the cutting tools, archaeologists found butchered rib bones from an

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<v Speaker 1>ungulate species. Inside those bones, calcite crystals had grown, and

0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.480
<v Speaker 1>those crystals contain radioactive elements that degrade on a very

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<v Speaker 1>precise schedule. By measuring the distinct isotopes remaining in those crystals,

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<v Speaker 1>scientists were able to date the cuts in the bones

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<v Speaker 1>back to one hundred and forty six thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the middle of a severe ice age in

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<v Speaker 1>what's now China, and so along with preparing food to eat,

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible that these tools were used to make warm

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<v Speaker 1>clothing out of animal skins even that far back in

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<v Speaker 1>the place to scene, even for humans other than Homo sapiens,

0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:12.399
<v Speaker 1>necessity was very much the mother of invention and still is.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving on to the crime desk, we've been coming across

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<v Speaker 1>quite a few mind numbing poaching cases in recent weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a lineup of what wildlife crooks have been up

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<v Speaker 1>to around the country. In Montana, Tennessee, resident Jerry tray

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<v Speaker 1>true At the third received a lifetime hunting and fishing

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<v Speaker 1>ban after multiple incidents of blatantly breaking wildlife laws in

0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.040
<v Speaker 1>the Treasure State. He pled guilty to the obstruction of

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<v Speaker 1>justice using someone else's hunting license poaching waterfowl, the unlawful

0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.520
<v Speaker 1>possession of wildlife a turkey and a sand hill crane,

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<v Speaker 1>poaching a cow, elk and a white tailed dough and more.

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<v Speaker 1>Lifetime hunting and fishing bands are rare, but in this

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<v Speaker 1>case it certainly seems well deserved. Not that old Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>tray true at the third seems to give damn about

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<v Speaker 1>having a license or not. Hopefully this is a deterrent.

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<v Speaker 1>Sticking with waterfowl poaching, two endangered whooping cranes were illegally

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<v Speaker 1>shot and killed by crawfish farmers in Louisiana. If you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know, Louisiana is the site of a serious whooping

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<v Speaker 1>crane reintroduction effort, as the super cool birds are otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>extremely rare in the wild. The recent incidents put a

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<v Speaker 1>dent in that effort. However, Considering the poached cranes, which

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<v Speaker 1>were born in the wild represent two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the state's whooping crane population, which is around

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<v Speaker 1>eighty birds in total, it's a really big deal. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an ongoing thing in Louisiana. I dug into the

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<v Speaker 1>let's call it the socio economics of this. The poaching

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<v Speaker 1>takes place in like extremely extremely economically depressed areas to

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<v Speaker 1>where there is a real idea of I don't know,

0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:57.480
<v Speaker 1>admonition adversarial circumstances here, okay, where you have folks who

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<v Speaker 1>are making a living picking crawfish and that whooping crane

0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.480
<v Speaker 1>is out there picking crawfish that you could be selling,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty trivial, I think it is, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also pretty widespread knowledge that that bird is

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<v Speaker 1>getting millions of dollars pumped into it to try to

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<v Speaker 1>make it prolific once again. And I think that just

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<v Speaker 1>socially really rubs people the wrong way. What they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>is not right, not justifiable in any way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's always important to understand where people are coming from,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter if you're on their side of the issue

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<v Speaker 1>or not. What has been done in many, many places,

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<v Speaker 1>because this story is not new. You can take the

0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:44.879
<v Speaker 1>snow leopard or species like that in pov rister or

0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.680
<v Speaker 1>hard living spots, and it's easy to see why somebody

0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:50.359
<v Speaker 1>would poach them and try to sell their pelt or

0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.679
<v Speaker 1>meat or whatever it is. The thing that has worked

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<v Speaker 1>right is finding ways mechanisms to put money in the

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<v Speaker 1>pockets the of people who are adversarial with this species,

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<v Speaker 1>and that can be through tourism or providing information on

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<v Speaker 1>how the species is doing. Little citizen science work, all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of things to inject a little bit of humor

0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.720
<v Speaker 1>back in here. There's a great bar or used to

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<v Speaker 1>be a got swept away by a hurricane. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was the lazy flamingo or the lazy pelican.

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<v Speaker 1>But it works here. For storks and cranes. You know

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<v Speaker 1>how they like to stand on one foot, lazy one

0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:31.800
<v Speaker 1>stand on two feet. The US Department of Justice announced

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<v Speaker 1>charges for a Louisiana man who poached and sold over

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen hundred loggerhead musk turtles, one hundred striped neck musk turtles,

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<v Speaker 1>and fifteen striped mud turtles. The outlaw took the turtles

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<v Speaker 1>from the wild in Florida and then quote aided and

0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.960
<v Speaker 1>embedded a co conspirator who exported the turtles to Taiwan,

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<v Speaker 1>falsely claiming they were captive bred to obtain export permits.

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<v Speaker 1>In some the totals were estimated to be worth over

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<v Speaker 1>half a million bucks in the Asian pet trade. The

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<v Speaker 1>suspect was charged with violating the Lacy Act, which criminalizes

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<v Speaker 1>the trade and sale of wildlife across state lines. He

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<v Speaker 1>faces up to five years in jail and two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand dollars in fines for each charge. For

0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:18.760
<v Speaker 1>those who question whether the Lacy Act is valid, great

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<v Speaker 1>history lesson here, right. This is a fantastic example of

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<v Speaker 1>why monetizing wildlife is not good. Yeah, I'm talking about

0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 1>transferable landowner tags on the open market. It's not a

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<v Speaker 1>jump over. In California, wardens thought something was crabby, and

0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.040
<v Speaker 1>they were right. They cited two poachers for harvesting three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty one striped shore crabs two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty one crabs over the limit from a beach in

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<v Speaker 1>San Luis Obispo. Neither criminal had a valid fishing license either.

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<v Speaker 1>They reportedly attempted to hide one of their bags of

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<v Speaker 1>crabs by wrapping a sweatshirt around it. Suffice it to

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<v Speaker 1>say that didn't work. Apparently, the word poaching doesn't just

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<v Speaker 1>apply to fish in animals, but vegetation too. This one

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<v Speaker 1>comes to us from the San Francisco Chronicle, which reports

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<v Speaker 1>that park rangers in Humboldt Redwood State Park have made

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<v Speaker 1>several arrests in recent months of folks illicitly chopping up

0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:16.439
<v Speaker 1>and removing dead redwood trees from the public's land. A

0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.320
<v Speaker 1>recent case involved a Dodge Ram pickup truck and hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been solved, according to the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to the removal of a log that would

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<v Speaker 1>provide hundreds of years of crucial nutrients to the forest,

0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the suspects are driving off road to get to the log,

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<v Speaker 1>causing deep ruts and significant damage to the forest floor.

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<v Speaker 1>Old growth redwood is extremely valuable and can garner five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars for a twenty two pound slab. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was over in Tennessee, I spoke with the landowner who

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<v Speaker 1>ran into some tree poachers on his property. It's extremely lucrative,

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:51.919
<v Speaker 1>causes a lot of damage, and it's a real crime.

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<v Speaker 1>There are also a couple of other unsolved cases that

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<v Speaker 1>authorities are asking the public for help identifying the culprits.

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<v Speaker 1>In in Michigan, five bald eagles were found dead on

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the Upper Peninsula and officials say that they were not

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<v Speaker 1>killed by natural factors, predators, or vehicle strikes. Meanwhile, conservation

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<v Speaker 1>offers in Saskatchewan are investigating the illegal killing of a

0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 1>black barsow and her cubs, which were all shot and

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<v Speaker 1>left waste near Lorenzo, which about sixty miles northwest of Saskatoon.

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<v Speaker 1>A committee in South Dakota recently shook up the state's

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<v Speaker 1>elk hunting regulations. One of the changes might shock some folks.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided to issue unlimited elk tags in the entire

0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 1>section of the state east of the Missouri River. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're worried this would wipe out the entire wapity population there,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's exactly what the committee is hoping for. The

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.440
<v Speaker 1>eastern part of the state is almost entirely private land,

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<v Speaker 1>which is heavily used for agg Officials say that they

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to have any crop damage from elk there.

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<v Speaker 1>As a South Dakota Gamefish and Parks spokesperson told their

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<v Speaker 1>friends over at Outdoor Life, quote, we're issuing the tags

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<v Speaker 1>to try and nip a potential problem in the bud.

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<v Speaker 1>Elk or a fantastic big game animal that are welcome

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<v Speaker 1>in every other part of the state, but the fact

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<v Speaker 1>is we just can't tolerate having them in eastern South Dakota.

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<v Speaker 1>As per usual for any of this tickles your fancy

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope it does right into askcal that's ascaltemeateater

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. We'd love to hear what you think. Last

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<v Speaker 1>on today's docket, the New York Times reported on a

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<v Speaker 1>document that was leaked from the Department of the Interior

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<v Speaker 1>that showed some potential changes to liberalize hunting rules on

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<v Speaker 1>some public lands, such as reducing or eliminating prohibitions such

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<v Speaker 1>as firing guns across trails and cleaning game in public restrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>The changes were the result of Secretary Bergram's Order three

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<v Speaker 1>four four seven, which sought to expand hunting and fishing

0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:43.160
<v Speaker 1>access across public lands. Thinking about how to reduce red

0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 1>tape for hunters and anglers is a good thing, though

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<v Speaker 1>we also shouldn't rush to eliminate important safety regulations, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's state regulations in place. There's also the

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<v Speaker 1>Code of Hunter Ethics and Conduct, right. We cover this

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<v Speaker 1>all the time just because it's legal domain, right, And

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:07.160
<v Speaker 1>this secretarial order typically comes with some language that says

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<v Speaker 1>you don't like where appropriate. So I know a lot

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 1>of news outlets are going crazy on this one. Not us,

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<v Speaker 1>By god. There's a lot of things happening on the

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<v Speaker 1>federal level. There was the rescinding of the Public Lands Rule,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a super bummer for everybody out on the landscape, grazers, hunters, anglers,

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 1>people who just want to know the value of an

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 1>acre of public land. The Public Lands Rule would have brought.

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<v Speaker 1>Those conservation values are ecosystem services that are not recognized

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<v Speaker 1>in the same fashion as oil, gas, mineral extraction are.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that's needed, quite honestly, it's a very bipartisan,

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<v Speaker 1>non partisan ask to properly be able to understand the

0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 1>value of an acre of America's public ground. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a highly politicized thing that came in under the Biden

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<v Speaker 1>era and great example of a political football not in

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>our best interest. Additionally, we are getting closer to the

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 1>public comment period that will allow us to weigh in

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.920
<v Speaker 1>on the roadless Rule. We've covered the roadless rule many,

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 1>many times. There's a great interview episode with Chris Wood

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<v Speaker 1>from tu right here on this year podcast that you

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<v Speaker 1>should definitely look up. Roadless rule is a fantastic protection

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism that has not a damn thing to do with

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 1>lumber or really nothing to do with fire suppression. As

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<v Speaker 1>long as it works the way it should, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Montana is a great example of the roadless rule working

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<v Speaker 1>as it's written, because we do a lot of fire

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<v Speaker 1>mitigation and habitat work within roadless areas. And the reason

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 1>that I say like it's not dealing with timber is

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<v Speaker 1>because a lot of our inventory roadless areas do not

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<v Speaker 1>contain marketable timber, and a lot of our inventoried roadless

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<v Speaker 1>areas are in areas that do not have timber. They're

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<v Speaker 1>above tree line. They also protect typically like those spawning areas,

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<v Speaker 1>are cool water reserves and areas of rest for a

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<v Speaker 1>big game species. They do like to bed and chill

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<v Speaker 1>out away from road and trail traffic. That is an

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<v Speaker 1>absolute fact and something that we know. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>one of these folks who's like, ah, I need more

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<v Speaker 1>roads for access so I can get to the big critters,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm putting on my hal herring voice. That's a fun thought,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not a practical one. The more roads we punch,

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<v Speaker 1>the less critters there will be where they'll be moving

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<v Speaker 1>on to big chunks of private land where they don't

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<v Speaker 1>get hassled. That's all I got for you this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for listening. Remember to write in

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<v Speaker 1>to askcl that's Ascal at the meteater dot com. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me know what's going on in your next the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>You know we appreciate you. Do me a big old

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<v Speaker 1>favor and renew or grab a new membership to backcountry

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<v Speaker 1>hunters and anglers. That's backcountry Hunters dot org. We got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that we're working on. We need

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<v Speaker 1>your voice. Membership is what allows conservation groups to be

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<v Speaker 1>independent regardless of politics. We focus on the policy attacking

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<v Speaker 1>the problem is not the people. You know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Jump in help us out. We'd love to have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks again, we'll talk to you next week.