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Speaker 1: Welcome to the best of the Week for What's Right

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Speaker 1: with Nick Right the best takes and moments from this

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Speaker 1: week on the show. Enjoy.

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Speaker 2: So, Lebron has informed the Lakers, after an eight year run,

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Speaker 2: that he will be hitting the free agency portal. There

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Speaker 2: are a bunch of different ways that we can run

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Speaker 2: with this. What was your instant reaction?

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Speaker 1: Okay, my instant reaction is I mean, I had one

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Speaker 1: hundred instant reactions. But because I just did the Kuhi autopsy,

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Speaker 1: I want to do the same thing with Lebron. And

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Speaker 1: we've done this on the show before, but I want

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Speaker 1: to do it briefly here. Anyone arguing that Lebron James

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Speaker 1: run with the Lakers was anything other than a resounding success,

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Speaker 1: and I hate to be so black and white, but

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Speaker 1: he's either a total dope or being wildly disingenuous. Eight years,

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Speaker 1: seven all NBA teams, and a Finals MVP. So we

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Speaker 1: will talk about Lebron's tenure as an individual player and

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Speaker 1: then his team's success seven all NBA teams and a

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Speaker 1: Finals MVP, just as a Laker for the record on

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Speaker 1: what that looks like compared to other guys' full careers.

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Speaker 1: That is more all NBA teams than Carmelo, Anthony Paul, George,

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Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, Jimmy Butler, Anthony Davis, Clyde Drexler ever made

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Speaker 1: That is more all NBA teams in the same number

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Speaker 1: of finals MVPs as Isaiah Thomas's entire careers. What is

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Speaker 1: a good comp for seven all NBA teams and a

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Speaker 1: finals MVP. Well d Wade had eight all NBA teams

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Speaker 1: in a finals MVP, Same with Moses, same with Joker.

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Speaker 1: Another way to look at it, what is the full

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Speaker 1: list of players in league history in their entire careers

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Speaker 1: to win finals MVP and to have at least seven

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Speaker 1: all NBA teams. By the way, on this list will

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Speaker 1: not be Wilt or Bill Russell because finals MVPs weren't

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Speaker 1: a thing for Wilton Russell. So you know we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go ahead and assume Wilton Russell would have had them,

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Speaker 1: especially because the finals MVP is named after Russell, but

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Speaker 1: they're not officially on the list. Full list of guys

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Speaker 1: seven plus all nbas in a finals MVP Kawhi Wade, Moses, Joker, Jannis,

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Speaker 1: Dirk Durant, s Duncan, Kobe Kareem Lebron. Nineteen guys ever

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Speaker 1: in league history have done in their full career what

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Speaker 1: Lebron did just with the Lakers. That individual success and

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, by the way, broke every record there was

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Speaker 1: to break. But that's more, you know, over the course

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Speaker 1: of his career. What about team success, Well, there's this fact.

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Speaker 1: Prior to Lebron joining the Lakers, since they were the

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Speaker 1: Minneapolis Lakers, they had missed the playoffs ten times in

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Speaker 1: franchise history, five times interspersed throughout their first sixty years

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Speaker 1: as a franchise and the five years directly leading up

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Speaker 1: to Lebron's arrival. Over the five years leading up to

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Speaker 1: Lebron's arrival, they out of thirty NBA teams, were thirtieth

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Speaker 1: in the NBA winning percentage. They were quite literally the

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Speaker 1: worst franchise for a half decade when he got there,

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Speaker 1: and like he did when he went to Miami and

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Speaker 1: they were coming off missing the playoffs, when he went

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Speaker 1: to back to Cleveland and they were coming off missing

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, went to the Lakers and within two years

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Speaker 1: they were champions. What about the tenure as a whole

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Speaker 1: one finals appearance with a ring one other finals. MV,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, one other conference finals appearance. Is that disappointing

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Speaker 1: from a team perspective? Well, I guess that's eye of

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Speaker 1: the beholder, because if that is a disappointing, you know, decade,

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Speaker 1: then I suppose the Denver Nuggets under Nikolejokicic's stewardship have

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Speaker 1: had a disappointing last ten years because they have been

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Speaker 1: other championship. I guess the last decade of Giannison Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: or you know what, for you the last decade, let's

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Speaker 1: call it his whole thirteen fourteen year career, thirteen year

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Speaker 1: You know what, we're looking backwards. Let's look more contemporaneously.

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Speaker 1: I guess Shay's entire career with the Thunder has been

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Speaker 1: disappointing because they've been to one finals and won it

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Speaker 1: and been to one other conference finals. You know what,

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Speaker 1: why stop there? Jalen Brunson with the Knicks, what a

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Speaker 2: You know, all this stuff is because it's Broun. I

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Speaker 2: feel like, well the same.

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Speaker 1: I do know that. Well, I think I here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I agree that Lebron demands a throw them on day

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Speaker 1: than almost everybody except for really Jordan and Kareem when

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Speaker 1: we're talking about historical stuff, right, But I don't think

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Speaker 1: his title with the Lakers, then Jordan was with his

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Speaker 1: final game, the final playoff game with the Lakers. Then

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Speaker 1: Magic was in his final game before he came back

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Speaker 1: briefly post HIV, Like, what are we talking about? And

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Speaker 1: so my instant reaction was, you know, You've got these

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Speaker 1: Kobe stands. And those people, somehow, I think, are celebrating today.

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Speaker 1: They're happy. They're like, yes, Ding Dong, the Witch's dad

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Speaker 1: get our franchise back. Well, good luck with that.

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Speaker 2: So Sean said he was told that this is a

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Speaker 2: happiness led decision for Lebron James, whether he lands a

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Speaker 2: free agency agency will not be driven by money. Where

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Speaker 2: do you see Lebron ending up? And wasn't it just

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Speaker 2: about money? That's and he's leaving LA?

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Speaker 2: I know there's some like disconnect between him and the Lakers,

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Speaker 2: but it seemed like there was a talk or there

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Speaker 2: was a fuss about money. It's like, what are you

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Speaker 1: Just seemed to be yeah, I mean I think that.

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Speaker 1: not what happened, but I think this would be a

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Speaker 1: reasonable scenario that could have played out. The Lakers told

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Speaker 1: and Lebron James was so insulted by that that he

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Speaker 1: three or five million dollars. Does that make sense? Where

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Speaker 1: there is a level of what I expect you to

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Speaker 1: I since he's been here, you not valuing me at

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Speaker 1: Does that so money sometimes is more of a symbol

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Speaker 1: don't think I think Sham's is right that it's not like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm a free agent now. Oh the Bulls

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Speaker 1: or want to give me a two year, eighty million

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Speaker 1: Oh you can't, And I'm a bull. That's what he

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Speaker 1: means when it's not driven by money. As far as

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Speaker 1: where I see him ending up, it sure feels like

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Speaker 1: there's only three realistic options, the two teams he's played

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Speaker 1: I think. I said this on the show two days ago.

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Speaker 1: Here's how I before he announced he was leaving. Here's

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Speaker 1: where Lebron would go. And demon's tell me how you

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Speaker 1: feel about this list. This is how I had it.

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Speaker 1: Number one choice to Golden State with Anthony Davis. We'll

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Speaker 1: circle back to that, number two choice to Miami. Number

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Speaker 1: I did not want him back with the Lakers. I

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Speaker 1: build a team. I also got enough of a reminder

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Speaker 1: of what it looked like in the playoffs when Lebron

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Speaker 1: to finish his career in a place he can do that,

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Speaker 1: and the Lakers are the least likely through no fault

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Speaker 1: So that's how I power ranked him as far as

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Speaker 1: go through each of those. The Warriors with Anthony Davis,

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Speaker 1: Wimby's not thrilled. You've got Draymond beating him up, Lebron

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Speaker 1: How can you say Lebron's the smallest injury risk of

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Speaker 1: that team? Well, here's what I can say it. Lebron James,

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Speaker 1: while he has missed time over the last few years

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Speaker 1: day on TV. I've been saying two hundred something Lebron James.

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Speaker 1: In his career, his teams have played in three hundred

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Speaker 1: and two playoff games. Of those three hundred and two

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Speaker 1: Do you let's so, DEMONSI do you think if they

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Speaker 2: I will tell you I don't want to see that.

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Speaker 2: I don't really want to see Lebron and Curry team up.

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Speaker 2: I think there's always just been too much. There's been

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Speaker 2: to feel comfortable and like, oh, yeah, that's the thing

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff. But they've been through some battles

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Speaker 2: One point in their careers, and I.

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Speaker 1: Just yes, there was. Yeah, yeah, I mean what anybody

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Speaker 1: Listen. I know that Dylan Harper maybe tricked us, not

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Speaker 1: dark Horses, let me run through some first one as

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Speaker 1: mentioned credit where it's due by Bill Simmons. The San

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: His argument was the Spurs are champions right now. If

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Speaker 1: what's definitely true. There is no world that exists where

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Speaker 1: that will always exist. It would be, and Lebron could,

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Speaker 1: as Simmons talked about, sell it on like hey love

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Speaker 1: pop Prestige franchise, you know, hand the torch to Wimby.

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Speaker 1: But it'd be weird, right, wouldn't that just be weird?

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Speaker 1: You mentioned your Celtics. That one's hilarious because like that's

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Speaker 1: I won't out and out dismiss is Denver. Dave mcminimon

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Speaker 2: No Minnesota. Oh wait, no Minnesota. You ain't never mind

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Speaker 1: to trade Jaalen Brown. The shock of this is the

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Speaker 1: multi layered, multifold shock of that this is what you

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Speaker 1: got for him, that when you felt this was the

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00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: best offer available for him, you didn't simply say, well,

431
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: it's July first. Even if we feel he can't be

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00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: on the roster on October fifteenth, let's pause, wait, see

433
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Speaker 1: what other dominoes fall. Because here's what I know about Philly.

434
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: Philly was not going to say take it or leave.

435
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: At Boston, this is your one time opportunity to switch

436
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: out twenty nine year old Jalen Brown for thirty six

437
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: year old Paul George. That offer was going to be there.

438
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: And it is stunning how low Jalen Brown's value is

439
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: across the league because Jalen Brown went for less than

440
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard. Shit, he went for less than one Tucker

441
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: Kessler went for in the same transaction cycle. And the

442
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: real to me, this is the incompetence piece Demanse I

443
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: believe it is. It was incumbent on the Celtics to know, Okay,

444
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: if we don't get Yannis, what other options are out there?

445
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: Like if we're gonna hold the line on not trading

446
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: Hugo or Baylor Shireman, if that's our red line, then

447
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: what's our number two and three options? And in my opinion,

448
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: they very clearly had not done their due diligence on that,

449
00:30:53,680 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: because if you are this close to moving Jail Brown

450
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: and two first round picks that are going out, and

451
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: the return is Yannis and the tax on that is

452
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: twenty year old, eleven minutes three point per game Hugo

453
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Gonzalez and the silver medal is instead of Giannis, you

454
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: get Paul George, who if you don't like Jalen Brown's contract,

455
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: you can't like Paul George's contract. They make the same

456
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: money Paul George's contract as a whole one year shorter. Now, yes,

457
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: instead of two first round picks going out, two first

458
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: round picks are coming in. But the delta between Yannis's

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00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: value and Paul George's value is so massive to not

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00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: recognize if we if we don't pull the trigger on

461
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: trading for Giannis. We are going to effectively beginning one

462
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: first round pick and one swap for Jalen Brown because

463
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: the league had told us, or the reporting was, I

464
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: should say that the price for Philly just to trade

465
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: away Paul George was going to be a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: The tax on Paul George's contract was going to be

467
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Speaker 1: a first round pick. So it is truly stunning to

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Speaker 1: me Dewanza.

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00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: That they.

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Speaker 1: It's not so. It is stunning to me. Boston held

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Speaker 1: the line on Hugo or Shireman when they were willing

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Speaker 1: to give up the two first round picks. They were

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Speaker 1: willing to give up Jalen Brown, but nope, too far

474
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Speaker 1: if we have to include Hugo or Shireman in deal.

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00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: And didn't realize. But if we don't make this deal,

476
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: we are gonna get fifteen cents on the dollar for

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Speaker 1: Jalen Brown. That part is stunning to me. It is

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Speaker 1: also stunning to me that none of the twenty seven

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00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: other teams other than Philly, Milwaukee, Boston, the twenty seven

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00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: other teams are like, we can beat that deal. Yeah

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Speaker 1: we can. We would like to employ Jalen Brown even

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Speaker 1: if we don't think he's you know, as good as

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Speaker 1: last season suggests. We still think he's a really good player. Like,

484
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: here's a question. Remember when the Celtics wanted Kevin Durant

485
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: and offered Jalen Brown a few years ago. Why not

486
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: do that shit again? Why not say, hey, Houston, true,

487
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: you need to forget Well, I mean, I think that

488
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: might be a little unfair to both of them. I

489
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Speaker 1: don't know.

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00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do not exactly locker room elevators, not well,

491
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: not in those locker rooms, but not like you know,

492
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: the I think Jalen it had done some things that

493
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: made his relationship and some of his teammates less than great.

494
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: Durant I think had you know, obviously Durant in Houston,

495
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: that thing got toxic. But I don't know that that

496
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: would be the case if they swapped. And if you're

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00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: Houston Emoka's coach, Jalen Brown, you need a go to

498
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: scoring option, but a guy you can still defend. He's

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00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: more on the timeline of the other guys. And if

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00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: you're the Celtics, all right, great, uh, Durant doesn't have

501
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: to lead. Durant could just go get a bucket like that.

502
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: That trade would have been more interesting. There are so

503
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: many moves, Like I understand Paul George played well in

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00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: the playoff series against the Celtics.

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00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: Say it again, Yeah, no, because he didn't really do

506
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: anything in the second round, but the team as a wholding.

507
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: The second Yeah, he played well in that seven game

508
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: series against the Celtics. But Paul George games played since

509
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: he left Oklahoma City forty eight, fifty four, thirty one,

510
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: fifty six, seventy four solid and in the last two

511
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: years forty one and thirty seven. But he is not

512
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: he the last two seasons he has averaged forty games

513
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: per season seventeen points per game when he was in

514
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: Philadelphia that he and this idea. I get that. Well,

515
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: now the Celtics have more flexibility, now they have these

516
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: assets to trade for another guy. I under stand all

517
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: of that. I just I am legitimately stunned. Even if

518
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't as high on Jalen Brown as some people were,

519
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: I still thought he was pretty unequivocally a top twenty

520
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: guy in the league who just had a you know,

521
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: top ten season of everyone in the league. The fact

522
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: that basically any team that could fit the salary could

523
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: have him and every team said no, thanks. Is baffling

524
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: to me, and there is. I thought there had been

525
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: a lot of overstating, you know, oh, this is how

526
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: much the analytics hate Jalen Brown. But evidently that was

527
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: not overstated. Evidently a ton of teams say jail and

528
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: Brown on Thatt is not a valuable player. And I

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00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: I can't believe that Boston didn't know that, because if

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00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: that's the case, then they were about to get Yannis

531
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: in a heist, the centerpiece of their Yannis trade, who

532
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 1: was a guy that most of the league doesn't want.

533
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: And to go from that to thirty six year old

534
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: Paul George is That's what I think is incompetence. Listen,

535
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: I think Brad Stevens has done a good job. But

536
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: this is a very, very precarious situation the Celtics have

537
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: now found themselves in. All right, I know you have

538
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: some follow ups here before we get to Philly.

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00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they added Mitch Robinson and Mike Connolly, Like,

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00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: do you think that they're going to be able to

541
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: compete next year? I think that the squad overall is

542
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: still pretty nice.

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00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would be stunned if they're a

544
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: top flight Eastern Conference contender. Because here's yeah, because here's why.

545
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: I know. They won fifty six games last year without Tatum,

546
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: But when I picked them to win the title, the

547
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: idea behind it was that adding bringing Tatum back into

548
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: the fold, you now, all of a sudden elevate a level.

549
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: And so I think because of Missoula and because of

550
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: the math ball they play, maybe they can still be

551
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: a good regular season team. But I do not think

552
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: it is at all realistic that this team next year,

553
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: and I really like Tatum and maybe you'll prove me

554
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: wrong that barring another move, that they can compete for

555
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: a championship like they are in a similar boat to

556
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: the team that they were last year had they not

557
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: brought if Tatum hadn't come back. Now, Tatum's, in my opinion,

558
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: better than Jalen Brown, but that team was not going

559
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: to be able to win three, let alone four playoff rounds.

560
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: So no, I think this is a pretty big step

561
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: back for them as far as their ability to compete

562
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: for a championship. Because here's the other thing. They and

563
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: I was you know wrong about them last year, obviously,

564
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: but after winning the title and then you know, losing

565
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: Christaps losing Drew Holliday. The year they were trying to

566
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Speaker 1: find their title, they got their clocks cleaned by the

567
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: Knicks in the playoffs, and last year they got they

568
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: blew a three to one lead to Philly in the playoffs,

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00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: and Brad Stevens trolls after the year that they weren't

570
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: that close, that they didn't do well against the best

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00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: teams in basketball, and now they are, to me objectively,

572
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: a less talented team than they were, you know what

573
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: when they were whole last season. All right, what else?

574
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: I know, we have more on, you know stuff, So

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00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: go ahead.

576
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: Sean said that Brown never requested a trade or asked out.

577
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they just bring him back? Why don't you

578
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: think that was possible?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think what you were saying off the

580
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: top that it had this thing had run its course,

581
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Speaker 1: and I think there were just enough unnecessary there's my

582
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: read on the situation shots at Tatum that it was

583
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: not tenable. Yeah, and you agree with me there, I think. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he just like says a lot of stuff

585
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: where it just makes you question, like, you know.

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00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: The thing that went under the radar for a lot

587
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: of people, I think was what everybody focused on after

588
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: Game seven and or all the times Jalen Brown talking

589
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: about this was my favorite season and then doubling down

590
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: on that and the twitch stream stuff all.

591
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Speaker 3: That that that was not what I had eyes wide open,

592
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: Oh man, that could cause some damage. The comment that

593
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: he made wasn't that I thought was the most damaging.

594
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: Was not on the twitch stream. It was right after

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00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: Game seven, I believe, at the press conference when he

596
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: was asked about Tatum not playing and he said, well, yeah,

597
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's really tough when you find out thirty

598
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: minutes before the game that JT's not going, when that

599
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: was just not true. The team found out early that afternoon,

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00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: late morning, like six seven hours before the game that

601
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: Tatum was not going to be able to go for

602
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: Game seven, and it was so it was inaccurate and

603
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: seemed so unfair to Tatum that my you know, antenna

604
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: went up of what's going on this right?

605
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: Like that's like that's coming at the team as a whole.

606
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: You didn't know that Tatum was going to be playing

607
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 2: thirty minutes before the game.

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Speaker 1: I don't need I don't know his I don't know

609
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: his rationale for that or you know, be as charitable

610
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: as possible, that he just in the heat of the moment,

611
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: like he got confused or I don't know, but that

612
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: that struck me as what, first of all, even if

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00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: that's true, I don't know that you need to say it,

614
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: but I knew it wasn't true. Yeah, and so it

615
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: it it implied that, you know, Tatum kind of left

616
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: him out to dry. Yeah, And so that combined with

617
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, the other comments he said about we finally

618
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: got to who he had been all year in this game,

619
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Speaker 1: there was just a lot of what's going on here.

620
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: So I did not think bringing him back was tenable.

621
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Speaker 1: But if you're if you're trying to buy it, I'll

622
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: use Demonse's example. If Demonse's down the road on renting

623
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: a new apartment and as it gets to least signing day,

624
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, by the way, we forgot to

625
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: tell you parkings and extra one hundred dollars a month

626
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: and you're and you're you're like, that's outrageous. You told

627
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: me it was included not doing it. They're like, well, sorry,

628
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: it is. Before you decide that's a deal breaker, even

629
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: if you think it's you know, attacks or outrageous. You

630
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: need to know, all right, if this is a deal breaker,

631
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be like homeless, right, I have another

632
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: place I can live, and I don't. I think the

633
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: Celtic it's very odd because the Celtics' own internal analytics,

634
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: Wendy told us, said Derek White was better than Jalen

635
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: Brown last year. So the Celtics' own internal analytics didn't

636
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: love Jalen Brown. They had one team in Milwaukee that

637
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: seemed to like him, and with Giannis on the other

638
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: end of it, and they played hardball with them to

639
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: the tune of getting back a contract that's almost identical

640
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: to Jalen Brown's, except one year shorter for a player

641
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: seven years older and way more injury prone. I just

642
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get that piece of it at all.

643
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: And I will see if they make another major move.

644
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: But and I've been you know, I believed in Boston

645
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: last year. But this is this is a weird one

646
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: for me.

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00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: All right.

648
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little Philly piece of it.

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00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Philly signed Anthony Simon's and Dean Wade. Are you

650
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: taking this team seriously next year?

651
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: Not really? I mean, I like it's with here's the thing.

652
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: They're in such a weird spot with Himbeid, and it's hard.

653
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: It's like you don't want to rely on him, but

654
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: when he's there, he has these moments of like, man,

655
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: that's still one of the best offensive bigs in the league,

656
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: but you don't know if he's gonna be reliable. I

657
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: I did you know four of their five starters Maxie Edgecomb.

658
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: And this is one of the reasons de Monsey probably

659
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: that they were fine with trading away those unprotected picks

660
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: and swaps, not because of the embid portion of it,

661
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: but because they're like, all right, we have Maxi and

662
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: Edgecomb and Jail and Brown. They're all young enough that

663
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: our floor is high, so like we're not gonna bottom out.

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Speaker 1: And so Maxie, Edgecomb, Jail and Brown call it question

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00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: market the four because they also you know, uh, Quinton

666
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: Grimes signed with the Lakers this week, Embiid at the five.

667
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: That's that's an interesting roster. Now there is a little

668
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: smoke around are they gonna go after Lebron? I imagine

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00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: they would love to add Lebron and that would you know,

670
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: fully round out the team, and that team wouldn't necessarily

671
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: need EMBD to be able to compete at a super

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00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: high level if you added Lebron. I don't think it's

673
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: likely that he goes there. My bigger question is this

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00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: about Philly. Does Philly decide let's kick the tires on

675
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 1: what if we were just able to get off Paul

676
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: George's contract? How desperate is Golden State in trying to

677
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: sweeten the pot for Lebron? And we can trade one

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00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: for one Jimmy Butler for Joel Embiid. Butler on an

679
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: expiring contract, who has played in Philly, but he's obviously injured.

680
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: Embiid with three years left on a brutal contract, but

681
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: as we said, you know has shown these moments of brilliance.

682
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: And if the Warriors were to sell Lebron on, hey,

683
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis was who we were talking about, as you know,

684
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: the injury prone MVP level big man that we can

685
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: bring in, the Wizards won't play ball. What do we

686
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: think about a move where we won't have to include

687
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: any draft picks. We maybe keep some flexibility and we

688
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: trade Jimmy Butler to Philly for Joel Embiid and Philly,

689
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, throws a damn tick or take parade because

690
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: process be damned, they can get off that contract. I

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00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: no one else has mentioned that. I think it's just

692
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: worth a as Wilds would say, one small take chip

693
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: on the roulette table of could you just do a

694
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: one for one Jimmy Butler's expiring deal for Embiid's awful

695
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: deal and hope you get lightning in a bottle for

696
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: one healthy postseason run, and you really are then recreating

697
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: the Team USA thing. Embiid was on that team too,

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00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: with Stephen Lebron. Aside from that, I think Philly is

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00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: now just pivoting to the Maxi era and it's Maxie

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00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: and Jalen Brown. And that's the other tricky thing here

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00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: to mo Sa. One of the reasons Jalen Brown wanted

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00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: out was to have his own team. I don't know

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00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: that he has that. And then think, oh, Edge Comb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's just kind of weird. How is

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00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: that gonna meshes m.

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00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think on the floor it can work, But

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00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: I do think like, whose team is it? It's Tyree's,

708
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: Maxie's team, and then when Embiid plays, he probably feels

709
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: like it's his team. So that stuff is all a

710
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: little odd or maybe more, maybe more than a little odd.

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Speaker 1: Uh all right, do you before we get to the soccer?

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00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to do on here? Uh?

713
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: You personally on your thoughts on it or your you

714
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: know what we should do this? How will you remember

715
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: as a Celtic fan the Tatum Brown era.

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00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 2: Confusing? I think that, I really I do appreciate Jayden

717
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: Brown for everything and he's given to the team. I

718
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: do think that. I just think it just got a

719
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: little weird. And yeah, no, I've got no like malice

720
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: in my heart. Did you see?

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00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: No? He He had an interesting tweet though, where I'm

722
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: just gonna read you his statement. Uh, it's it's like,

723
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's a picture and it's a picture of

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00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: a city skyline. The skyline's in green. I don't know

725
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: the Philly skyline versus the Boston skyline. It's one of

726
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: the two cities skylines. And this is what he rights

727
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: first and foremost. Thank you to the most high, even

728
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: in the midst of adversity. I'm here with gratitude. He

729
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: then writes, I'm still processing how this all went down.

730
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm excited and disappointed at the same time. I earned

731
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: my respect from this city. I never asked for shortcuts

732
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: or special treatment. I simply showed up every day, put

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00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: my head down, and accepted every challenge. The relationships I

734
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: built here, the battles we fought together, the championship we

735
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: brought to this city, and the connection I shared with

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00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: the fans all carry with me. Saying goodbye isn't easy

737
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: when you've invested your heart into something. I'm big on.

738
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: Respect and action speak louder than words. To the people

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00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: of Boston. Thank you, to the community I built here,

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00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: I love you, And to the shift. Does I think

741
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: that's his career? I don't know who that is. We

742
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: are locked in for life with a little lightning bolt.

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00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: As one chapter begins, as one chapter closes, another begins,

745
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: and then what does he have there? Then it says,

746
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: there's the number forty one. I don't know what that

747
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: is saying no, no, no, it's definitely no, no, no, it's

748
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: not a player Jersey thing. I'm excited for what's ahead

749
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: and grateful for the opportunity to join Philadelphia. Every city

750
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: has its own identity, its own passion, and its own expectation.

751
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: I respect that and I'm looking forward to earning that respect.

752
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: The only way I know how through the work Philly

753
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: throw the ball up, let's get it. So that is

754
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: a very nice statement to Boston fans. And again it.

755
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: Will see organization.

756
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: Well, I don't listen. If he feels the organization undervalued him,

757
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: that's fine. He doesn't need to thank the organization. I

758
00:52:54,840 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: it's it's weird not to say anything about your former teammates. Yeah,

759
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: Like and now again, maybe he's gonna do for all,

760
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: I know, he's gonna do a whole Instagram like pictorial thing.

761
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: Like these days, guy's gonna have multiple credit It's not

762
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: just like one thing in the newspaper. And so I

763
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's that is a unique statement from

764
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: a unique guy, because like when he says, I'm still

765
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: processing how this all went down, Well, like, bro, I

766
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: got an idea how it went down. You kept going

767
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: on Twitch, making shit harder for everybody, and they finally

768
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: were like, all right, we're done with this. Like I

769
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: think that's how this went down.

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00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: I I the a team that's like not that removed

771
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: from a championship, and like, I just think that the

772
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: vibes are a little weird like that. It's just like, wait,

773
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: what is going on around here. But but yeah.

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00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean and so, and it's uh and so that is.

775
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: But what a resounding success of a trade for the Sixers,

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00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: even if I don't think next year they're going to

777
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: be top line contenders. Like, just a great, great, successful

778
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: trade for the Sixers. And I just want to be

779
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: on the record here on this. I do not think

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00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown is one. I think he had one of

781
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: the ten best seasons in the league. I don't think

782
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: he's one of the ten best players in the league.

783
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: He's never been a particularly difficult omission from club superstar

784
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: for me. Okay, I think he is firmly, obviously in

785
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: the top twenty five players in the league and almost

786
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: assuredly in the top twenty players in the league. That's

787
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: where I land on Jalen Brown. The analytics that say,

788
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: you know the what is it? It's the dunks and

789
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: threes analytics that said dunksan three is the website that

790
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: said he's the eighty seventh best player in basketball. The

791
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: folks that are slavishly dedicated to the on off splits

792
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: that say he's a net negative, I think those are idiotic.

793
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: And while those can inform your opinion about a player,

794
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: they should not define anyone's opinion about a player. What

795
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: is so ironic about this demonsa is Jalen spent You

796
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: know a good portion of his Twitch stream stuff has

797
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: been him, for lack of a better term, going after

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00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: the media and taking issue with, you know, different aspects

799
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: of the media. And the one thing this trade saga

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00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: has revealed is the media, which votes on the awards

801
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: and where he has been very highly decorated, values him

802
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: far more than the league does. The folks in the

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00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: media look at Jalen Brown as an A lister and

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00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: the thirty teams across the NBA do not, And that

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00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: is a fascinating development.

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00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: Something is going on, we don't is there? Something is?

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00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: What's that about?

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00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: Well?

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00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I think he doesn't have an analytically

810
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: friendly game, but there is absolutely something to be said

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Speaker 1: for taking on the challenge of guarding the other team's

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00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: best player. A lot, the availability, the reliability, the fact

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00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: that does do everyone else's analytics on the Celtics look

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00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: better because of the workload that he has taken on,

815
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: like all of that stuff, like, and so I just

816
00:56:54,280 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: I I find it there have been I never thought

817
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown was going to fall in like in the

818
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: category of what's a good example historically. Okay, here's one.

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00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: Monteellis was a guy that put up good counting stats.

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00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: You know, the beginning analytics fifteen years ago did not

821
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: like his game at all. Okay, and it was a

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00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: dichotomy of you know, I like counting stats versus the

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00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: deeper stats. Here was the difference. I don't think Monteellis's

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00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: eye test was that good either. I don't think you

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00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: need it an algorithm to be like that guy's not

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Speaker 1: a winning player. I have put Trey Young in a

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00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: similar boat, like I don't. He has great counting stats,

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Speaker 1: and I don't need to look at the analytics say

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Speaker 1: he's not a winning player. What's unique about Jalen Brown

830
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: is he's fucking won more than any player in the

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00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: league basically since he's been in the league. They lived

832
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: in the conference finals, they had great regular seasons. There

833
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: was never a thought. I never would have thought that

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Speaker 1: the analytics numbers would be like Jalen Brown, not that good.

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Speaker 1: But that's where we're at. It's really fascinating. All Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah two zero for our first knockout win since two

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Speaker 2: thousand and two. So a bit good stuff USA, But

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01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: there was a controversial red card on our guy flow Balligan.

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01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: So where would you like to start on the game

878
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: or the card?

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01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: All right, so let's just start with the game or

880
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: with the card. Pardon me. So I am stunned at

881
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: how many people think because it's written in the rules

882
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: that the US can't appeal this, that the US shouldn't

883
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: try to appeal this. Folks, it's FIFA and it's the

884
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: World Cup and things are a little fuzzy, like I

885
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have seen, like you know,

886
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: historically how host sites get awarded, or the fact that

887
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: Christiano Ronaldo was supposed to be suspended for the first

888
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: two games of the World Cup and they were like,

889
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: ah nah, let's make it a probation. This is historically speaking,

890
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: this is an entity that, uh, you can bully a

891
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: bit or you can figure out a way to get

892
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: your way with. And so many folks in the media

893
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: that have been like, well, nope, you can't appeal this,

894
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: Sure you can't, and you can just we're the host country.

895
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: It's a BS red card, and we want our guy

896
01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: to play at least see if in Fontino and Fia

897
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: are open to that. It seems like he's got a

898
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: real tight relationship with the president, and the President's got

899
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: plenty of time. He's designing ballrooms and doing reflecting pools.

900
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: Got a state fair. CEV gives them a little rings like, hey,

901
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: you remember me. He gave me the FIFA Peace Prize

902
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: because I wanted the Nobel one and didn't get one.

903
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: You think you can put your finger on the scale

904
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: and could flow in the game, biggest game in US

905
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: soccer history. So that's first of all, like I'm not

906
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: ready to give up yet the flow Balligan could play.

907
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing they didn't. Kind of screw

908
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: us not because that play can never be a red card.

909
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: Soccer is interesting in that they don't. They don't always

910
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: care about intent if it's a dangerous play. But what

911
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to use the VAR, the video assisted

912
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: review in slow motion to determine the harshness if you

913
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: will have a foul. So I will read from to

914
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: you from the exact VAR you know from the rule

915
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: book on what is and isn't allowed. The VAR can

916
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: check the footage in normal speed and or in slow motion,

917
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: but in general, slow motion replay should only be used

918
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: for facts, for example, position of offense or of or

919
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: player point of contact. For physical physical offenses pardon me,

920
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: and handball ball out of play including goal no goal.

921
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: Normal speed should be used for the intensity of an

922
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: offense or to decide if it was a handball offense.

923
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: He got a red card because, in my opinion, and

924
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: what it really really looked like, because the referee watched

925
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: that foul in slow motion, and in slow motion it

926
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: looked awful. I think that's a mist application of VAR

927
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: and I think we have grounds not to appeal on

928
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: it was a bad red card, but to appeal on

929
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: procedural grounds to use VAR wrong either way, I'd like

930
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 1: him to at least try and see if they're like, okay, fine,

931
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: he can play. I'm just saying it's it's it's it's

932
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: not off the board that maybe he could play. So

933
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: that's first of all. Second of all, the reason I

934
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: hated the penalty was, it's not even so much about

935
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: so like messy. Early in the tournament, the first game,

936
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: I think he was trying to steal the ball from

937
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: an opponent and accidentally cleaned him in the back of

938
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: his leg, scraped his studs down the back of his

939
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: leg into his ankle, and got no penalty. Okay, that

940
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: was way the way I see it, worse than what

941
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: Flow did because Messi, while obviously was not trying to

942
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: do that, was looking down, was trying to make a

943
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: play on the ball and screwed up. And that's where

944
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: intent they say doesn't matter for a red card. Hey man,

945
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: you made a dangerous play. You were trying to get

946
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: the ball, but you got the guy's leg, and that

947
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: could have been a red for Messi. Flow was running

948
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: alongside the guy and looking up and they both just

949
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,479
Speaker 1: stepped in the same place. That So what Flow did

950
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: to me was not dangerous. It was unfortunate. So that

951
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: and it wasn't even called a yellow on the field.

952
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: So for all those reasons, I hated it. And I

953
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: really hate that he has to miss the biggest game

954
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: in US men's national team history, or I guess that's

955
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: probably not act the second biggest game in US means

956
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: national team history. The biggest game was the quarterfinal in

957
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: two thousand and two when we could have made the Semis.

958
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: So I hate that. I'll tell you what I loved

959
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: about that game though, the way Flow played before that,

960
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: because he's our best player, flat I and we'll get

961
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: to polistic in a bit, but Flow Baalagin's the best player.

962
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna be without our best player. For the game

963
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: against Belgium, I loved how he played, and I thought

964
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: Malik Tillman's set piece really it was like you were

965
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: rooting for a European power. It was like, Okay, a

966
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: set piece from right here, they can score, and we scored.

967
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: And the fact that we were able to do what

968
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: we did with ten men, and then the added bonus demands.

969
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: Have you heard demons any of Pochettino the US managers interviews,

970
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: like if you heard him? I have.

971
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 2: It's in the back of my head, though. Is he's

972
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 2: got some flair.

973
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: He just has a thick Argentinian accent and he is Listen,

974
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: he speaks English far better than I speak any second language,

975
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: but he is he is not what I would call

976
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: effortlessly fluent, you know what I mean? So like so

977
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: he The reason I'm saying any of that is to

978
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: paint the picture of people. Haven't heard him talk thick

979
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: Argentinian accent, you know, not a hun fluent speaker. The

980
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: video of him after the game singing Country Roads from

981
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: John Denver and smiling just like my favorite thing of

982
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: the tournament. Like it's just so charming, and the way

983
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: this team loves each other and the way the I

984
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: think Fox has done an amazing job after these games

985
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: of the announcers layout and we just get these like these,

986
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, kind of dusk unsetting moments on these West

987
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: Coast stadiums of a delirious crowd singing along the players,

988
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: taking pictures and hugging. I love it so much. It's

989
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: been so good. I mean, I have enjoyed it so much.

990
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: And now we approach a game against Belgium. Belgium, first

991
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 1: of all, was not the better team yesterday against Senegal.

992
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're playing Belgium rather than playing Senegal. Senegal

993
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: has played better in this tournament. Belgium was very fortunate yesterday.

994
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: We can beat Belgium, and hard Rock Bet has a

995
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: slight favorites against Belgium even without BALI.

996
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 2: How much pressure is on Polisic.

997
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: Well, there we go, So this is the moment. Man

998
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: Christian Ballistic was on the US men's national team as

999
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 1: a kid at it in twenty eighteen that failed to

1000
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: qual He was then on the team in twenty twenty

1001
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: two that, going into the final game of groups of

1002
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 1: the group stage, needed a win against Iran to qualify. He,

1003
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: to his credit, scored a goal. Scored the goal at

1004
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: the tail end with ten minutes left in the first

1005
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: half to put us up one nothing on the goal

1006
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: he got banged into by the keeper and then at

1007
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: halftime couldn't go anymore. They had to sub him out.

1008
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: They held on for the win though, thank god. And

1009
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: then neither he nor really anybody played that well in

1010
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: our knockout round game against the Netherlands, and in this

1011
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: tournament he's played sparingly. He's one of the only stars

1012
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: in the entire tournament that has not scored. If there

1013
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: was a argument for we talked to this on First

1014
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: Things First today, who has been the best player for

1015
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: the US men's national team this tournament. While I would

1016
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: argue flow Baligan, Dax was saying he thinks they're seven guys.

1017
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: You could make an argument for not one of the seven.

1018
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: Christian polistic You're supposed to be our best guy. You're

1019
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: supposed to be the best player in this country's history.

1020
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: We have a home World Cup Monday. Your striker's not

1021
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: going to be there. You have to deliver. It's the

1022
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:48,520
Speaker 1: biggest game of your life. And we have now demand's

1023
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: a graduated past. By winning the round of thirty two,

1024
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: this tournament cannot be a failure. It is some level

1025
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: of success. Getting to the round of sixteen was always mandatory,

1026
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: and we got there. But we have been there a

1027
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: bunch of times in our history. We've only won this

1028
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: game once you add to it that we have a

1029
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: pretty decent draw in who we're playing in the round

1030
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: of thirty to or the round of sixteen, like as

1031
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: far as the caliber of the opponent, a Paraguay from

1032
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: our group has France coming Canada. You know, another host

1033
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: nation in the round of sixteen is playing Morocco. Norway

1034
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: gets Brazil. Mexico, another host country more on that game

1035
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:51,560
Speaker 1: in a moment, gets England. So getting Belgium is about

1036
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: as good of a draw. You know, the winner of

1037
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: Portugal Croatia later tonight is going to take on Spain,

1038
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: which just won three nothing against Austria. Okay, so getting

1039
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: Belgium misfortunate. We're at home, We've played great. If they

1040
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: lose this game. This World Cup was a success but disappointing.

1041
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: If they win this game, it's hands down, unequivocally the

1042
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: greatest World Cup in team USA men's national team history.

1043
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: And then we wait and see. You know, are we

1044
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: playing an absolute monster in Spain or a team that

1045
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: I think we could hang with in Portugal or Croatia.

1046
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 1: After only having one shutout in its previous thirteen games

1047
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: three games ago, we now have two shutouts in our

1048
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 1: last three games. We have a world class manager, Our

1049
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:03,480
Speaker 1: starting players play all over the best leagues in Europe.

1050
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,799
Speaker 1: You're better than Belgium. You have played better than Belgium

1051
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: in this tournament. Belgium in this tournament needed a win

1052
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: in its final group stage game just to qualify. They

1053
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: drew against Egypt, they drew against Iran, they beat New

1054
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 1: Zealand to qualify, and yesterday they just pulled it out

1055
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: of the fire against Senegal. You should win this game.

1056
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: And Christian Polistics gotta be great. And I know it

1057
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: seems like a lot to ask, but Polistics also gotta

1058
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:46,520
Speaker 1: have the fitness to give us the full ninety. The

1059
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: first game he played forty five and got banged up.

1060
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: The second game he missed the third game. He gave

1061
01:13:55,080 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: us spot duty this game, even though we were down

1062
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: a man. He had to be subbed out in the

1063
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: eighty something minute for fresh legs out there. Fine, no problem,

1064
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: we need the full ninety and you've got to be great.

1065
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 1: I think they're going to do it. I don't believe

1066
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: in Belgium, but man, oh man, this is this is

1067
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 1: the moment, and I really really hope that they that

1068
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: they seize it.

1069
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

1070
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 2: I know you have more winning the wor would win

1071
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 2: the winning the World Cup be a bigger deal than

1072
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 2: the Miracle on Ice in your opinion.

1073
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: So I wasn't alive for the Miracle on Ice, and

1074
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: there obviously was you know, bigger maybe political implications there

1075
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: because we're playing the Soviet Union, you know who during

1076
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: the Cold War.

1077
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 2: Imagine.

1078
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: But it would certainly be a tougher accomplishment. Is it's

1079
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: such a bigger field and everything. You like the fact

1080
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:14,440
Speaker 1: that the path is probably would probably be after Belgium,

1081
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: you have to beat the number two team in the world, Spain,

1082
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: and then you have to beat the number one team

1083
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: in the world, France, and then you have to beat

1084
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: either Brazil or Argentina or I guess some people would

1085
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: say England, it would just be remarkable. And what I'm

1086
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: here to say is I have all along said I

1087
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: believe this US men's national team can make the quarterfinals

1088
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: for the justice second time in team history. They are

1089
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: one game from doing it. They are tragically gonna have

1090
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: to try to do it without flow Balligan. I think

1091
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: they can