WEBVTT - Some Interesting Curses 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:11.399 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.000 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and Chuck's here, 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.880 I'm Jerry's here. So that makes the Stuff you Should Know. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.800 And I guess we're just get to call this one 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:22.320 of our silly editions. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:25.400 Well, I don't know if it's silly. I think it's 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.080 kind of fun. People like caring about curses even though 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:30.880 you know it's not a real thing, right. 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.920 Yeah, yeah, but I would call silliness fun inherently. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:35.800 Yeah. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:37.400 Okay, Well, then we're in agreement. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:39.440 I just want to clear up whether or not we 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.520 were a cursed podcast, because we are. We've had pretty 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:44.960 good successes at our curse. 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.559 Well, no, don't you remember we have a curse on 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.680 other people's TV shows and our own. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.280 Actually, oh, that's right. When we would mention something, a 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:54.880 TV show would get canceled. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.640 Right, No, when we would go on a TV show, 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:01.200 it would get canceled. Oh yeah, it happened to I 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.320 don't remember the name of her program, but one of 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:07.959 Solidad O'Brien's shows. Yeah, the whatever show with the Alexis 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.120 and Jennifer Uh huh. Jeff Probs daytime talk. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.760 Show yeah, propsed in it up. I think it's called. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.679 And I'm sure there's more, but like all three of 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.440 those we went on and like seriously, within weeks they 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.480 were canceled off the air or something. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.959 Man, now I'm suddenly glad we never went on Conan O'Brien. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.280 Yeah really, So, yes, we have our own curse, which 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.080 is hilarious and wonderful because I think that's just one 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.720 more one more feather to put in our cap, you know. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:37.840 That's right. And as you pointed out, we when we 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.319 went on our own TV show that was also canceled. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.440 Yeah, that was bound to happen, actually got canceled. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.000 I always say canceled, it was not renewed. There's a difference. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.800 Oh yeah, there's a big difference. Canceled is like just stop, 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:52.000 stop to stop. 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.840 It is like, you know, we covered one show last 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.600 week that had a radar show for mash had a pilot, 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:00.400 and that got. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.280 Canceled, yeah, like mid air basically. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.000 Yeah, before it hit the West coast. So that made 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:06.760 me feel a lot better. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.480 So let's just say, let's just give a little heads 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.000 up to everybody, especially the people who are like all 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.600 I want is science from stuff you should know. This 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.480 is like I said, it's a little silly. You said, 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.640 it's going to be fun. A lot of this stuff 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.839 is just legend. So we kind of tried to fact 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.760 check as much as we could, but factchecking is a 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:28.000 little bit beyond the point because when you start to 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.680 look into them, everything just falls apart. So that's why, 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.560 you know, we're basically doing an anthropological view of some 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.720 famous curses or interesting curses that aren't necessarily famous. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.639 That's right, And we're going to start with the curse 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.760 on Brunswick Springs, and that is a place in Brunswick, Vermont, Yeah, 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.919 that has has a spring, has actually six of them, 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.720 and each one of these they're pretty great springs. They 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:56.720 have some different minerals flowing out of each one, magnesium, sulfur, bromide, calcium, iron, 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.760 and arsenic and because you know, springs are a great 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.160 place to heal oneself depending on what's going on with 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.040 you and what the spring can offer. And so obviously 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.480 a lot of people over the years have tried to 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.800 you know, capitalize and charge money on these springs, but 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:14.799 not anymore. 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.359 No, they actually kind of stopped trying. And the reason 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.720 why is because there's a curse on the springs. We'll 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.200 see what the deal is with that starting now. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.239 Sound like you're gonna say right after this break. 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.360 Or something, So let's all go with the Abenaki, chuck. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.240 Yeah, they are an Algonquin speaking tribe and they have 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.360 lived in that area. And you know, Brunswick, Verman is 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.040 a lovely area, so I don't blame them, but they've 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.080 been living there for about twelve thousand years. And they 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.600 obviously were the first ones to say like, hey, this 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.920 spring is pretty great. Because they are a indigenous tribe, 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.840 they considered it a sacred place and they thought that 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.440 the springs had mystical healing powers and you know, at 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.720 the very least they probably have some sort of health benefits. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.520 Yeah. Sure, but this was like sacred ground to the Abenaki. 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.960 It still is as a matter of fact, and so 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.520 as part of their oral tradition and as far as 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.640 legend goes too, during the French and Indian War, the 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:16.960 Abanaki brought a wounded French soldier. And remember French and 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.480 Indian War doesn't mean the French were fighting the Native Americans. 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.440 They were fighting together against the British right. So the 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.480 French soldier was fighting alongside the Abenaki. He got wounded, 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.640 and depending on who you ask, either he was wounded 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.040 in his arm and was probably going to lose it. 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.160 He was mortally wounded. The point of the story is 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.480 that he was wounded. They took him to Brunswick Springs 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.120 and he was miraculously cured by the spring water. It 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.640 was a really bro gesture of the Abenaki to do 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:47.479 that for him. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.400 Yeah, for sure. So obviously that soldier is like, hey, 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:53.960 this worked wonders for me. I think I can probably 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.320 make a little money on this thing. So he returned 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.200 later after he was healed. He took over this ring 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.560 basically and started bottling and selling the water, and the 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.040 Abenaki confronted him were like, this is no good. There 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.480 was a bit of a tiff that broke out and 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.880 bloodshed as a result. There was the death of a 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.520 man and his infant child, which is super sad, and 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:19.320 the wife and mother of those two basically said, all right, 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.640 you know what that means. It's cursed time anyone from 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.320 here till the end of time that comes along, and 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.400 I'm summarizing, of course that comes along and tries to 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:34.159 exploit these sacred Springs for profit shall be cursed and 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:35.760 it will not be a success. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.920 Yeah, which is kind of a mild curse for having 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:40.760 just lost your husband and baby. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.360 Yeah, I would say, like, and also you suffer illness 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:45.640 and disease and die. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:51.960 Right exactly. So, very shortly after that, the British one, 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:56.320 essentially the French Indian War, and the Abenaki were removed 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:01.120 from the area around the Brunswick Springs and they were 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.760 essentially moved out of the way by British colonists who 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:08.480 settled around there, and so they essentially lost control over 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.719 their sacred ground. And one hundred years after that, somebody 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.240 finally was like, we're going to build a resort here, 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.480 like these are this is a great spa, right, So 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.000 they built a spa resort and there's a website called 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.080 the Vermonter and they did a great story on this. 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.320 But they turned up a hotel brochure from the eighteen 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:33.760 sixties and it said that the spa offered medicine waters 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:37.040 from the Great Spirit. So, just to add insult to injury, 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.760 not only have they been like this is our spring, now, thanks, 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.560 you go move somewhere else, they were like, by the way, 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.320 even the Native Americans think this is pretty amazing, so 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.760 come pay to stay here. So the hotel actually did 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.400 fairly well for the first few decades, and then the 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.599 curse finally woke up and was like where am I. Oh, yeah, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:58.840 I better get to business. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:04.000 That's right. I'm surprised when they included that medicine water 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:05.640 from the Great Spirit, like they were really asking for 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.479 it at that point. But that didn't awaken the curse. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.560 But you were right. What would awaken the curse would 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:16.080 be when a dentist took it over and expanded the resort. 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.239 And this was in eighteen ninety four and it burned 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.400 to the ground. About twenty years after that, a guy 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.480 named John Hutchins bought the place rebuilt it, and this 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.600 was in nineteen twenty nine. That also burned down. So 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.240 he's like, all right, I guess I'm going to rebuild 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.040 it again, and I'm going to add a couple of 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.600 more hotels to make it worth my while. They all 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.440 burned down in nineteen thirty and nineteen thirty one, so 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.320 he was like, all right, I guess this place really 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:40.800 is cursed. I'm out of here. 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.960 Yeah, And since then, no one's tried to rebuild there again, 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:48.320 and the ruins of the hotel are still around. It's 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.160 pretty cool. There's some good photos of it on that 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:55.480 Vermont website. There's like a couple foundations the old train 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.880 platforms there, there's some staircases that go into an old cellar. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:04.120 But there's never going to be anyone who tries their 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.560 hand at it again who says, forget this curse. I'm 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.120 going to try and build my own spa and see 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:11.200 if that burns down. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:16.640 Why, chuck, Well, because the Abenaki tribe actually purchased the 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:21.120 land around the springs and sold it to Vermont. They said, 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:22.280 all right, we're going to sell this to you. This 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.520 just a few years ago, and now it's held in 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.080 a trust and it's not ever going to be developed. 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:28.320 Pretty neat. Huh. 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:29.040 Yeah, it's great. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.440 That's a great end of that story. Agreed, And the 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.600 Chris was able to fall back to sleep. 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.240 Go back to sleep now, curse and you're going to 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.080 wake up in Hollywood, California. 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.480 Well hold on, let's have Jerry put some interstitial Christmas 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:44.880 music in between these. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.320 All right, So hooray for Hollywood. This is when I 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.320 had heard of before the Curse of Attuk it's a 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.559 pretty well regarded curse as far as you know. In 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:04.080 Hollyod with Circles, there was a script based on a book. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.360 It was a nineteen sixty three satirical Canadian novel called 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:12.880 The Incomparable I Took by Mordecai Rickler, and it's about 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:17.079 an Inuit hunter and poet from Canada who is discovered 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.920 by a documentary crew and brought back to the big 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.120 city of Toronto, and is you know, it's sort of 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.559 like a King Kong thing. It's like an exotic curiosity. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.280 And of course, as you know, you would expect, once 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.440 I took us in the city, it's like a fish 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.200 out of water story. But then he realizes like how 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.160 awesome Toronto is and how great it is to be 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.079 a big city guy and to be famous and kind 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.920 of rich, and so he wants to fit in there 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.240 and live that life and eventually runs for office. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.679 You're right, it's a great satirical novel. It's essentially the 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.920 antithesis of Crocodile Dundee because remember, he moved to the 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.440 big city, but he changed the big city. The big 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:54.520 city didn't change. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.480 Him, that's right. And there was actually a line and 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.320 it took where he had a knife pulled on him 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.280 and he said, that is a knife that was really 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:02.199 worth the effort. 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.680 It really was. You got there eventually. 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:06.320 It took me four It takes everybody. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.439 Good lord, I've never heard so many beeps in one spot. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.080 Oh gosh, okay, Jerry. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.079 I can just see Jerry editing this with her face 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:14.680 at her hand. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.760 This needs to go in her blueper reel, and that 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:17.840 Jerry doesn't do anymore. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.120 I know. So what the book came out in nineteen 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:26.280 sixty eight, and it was optioned within three years. Yeah, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.040 sixty three, I thought sixty eight. Oh okay, so yeah, 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.280 I guess it took a little while for the Americans 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.880 to catch on. Yeah, they the script was purchased, it 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.000 took a few years to turn it into a script 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.760 to adapt it. And when they did adapt that, they 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:46.600 americanized it so that it took didn't come from the 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.960 great northern reaches of Canada. That took came from Alaska. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.040 And he wasn't taken to Toronto. He was taken to 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:57.840 New York. Right, Yeah, so that did not trigger this 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.640 movie getting made. I guess. I mean, you would know 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:04.439 way better than me, But I mean like, what percentage 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.640 of scripts actually get made? Like, are there way more 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.480 scripts out there that have just been passing passed around 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.440 for years and years or that's actually kind of rare. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.880 Yeah, I wonder what the percentage is. I mean, if 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.319 you're talking about scripts that actually get like bought by 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:23.319 a studio, I bet I bet ten percent of those 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:24.199 get made into movies. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.120 Maybe not wow wow, Well this was one of them. 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:31.040 It was passed around Hollywood for years, years and years, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.320 it just never got made. But over the years there 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:35.840 are plenty of people who are like, this is a 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.400 great script. I want to do this movie. And the 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.600 first to step up came in nineteen eighty two. The 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:46.520 beginning of nineteen eighty two, an actor named John Belu 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:51.960 she I think and is Belashie Belashee. Sorry, he got 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:53.840 his hands on and he's like, I love this script. 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:58.600 I'm gonna actually star as a took. And I guess 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.920 the ball didn't even begin to get rolling. It was 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:06.280 sitting there, held in place by inertia still before Bellashie died. 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.400 Yeah. He died very sadly at age thirty three in 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:16.000 the Chateau Marmont Hotel from doing drugs from a speedball. Yes, 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.080 very famously. I get the picture. A dook is probably 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.880 a big fella. Yeah, because everybody that has followed in 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:27.400 Belushi's footsteps has been, you know, of larger proportions. So 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.880 after Belushi passed, it went back into turnaround. It's been 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.160 a few more years getting kicked around. And then Sam Kennison, 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.520 the great comedian, signed on in nineteen eighty eight, and 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.199 they actually started filming, right. 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:41.839 I think they got eight days into it. 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:43.800 Okay, did you know if. 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:49.920 Real quick Sam Kennison was a fire and Brimstone itinerant preacher. Yeah, 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:51.679 I did not know that. He started out like that 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.120 makes sense, I can totally see it, but wow. So yeah, 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.840 they filmed this film eight days worth of this movie, 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.240 and I guess Sam Kennison had really read the script 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.560 because after that point he was like, Hey, I really 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.600 want some more say and like what the script rewrights 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.200 are going to do? And the studio is like, a 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.080 We're not really happy about that, and Kennison was like, oh, yeah, 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.960 well I'm going to deliver a terrible performance. And the 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.320 studio said, oh yeah, well we're going to sue you. 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.760 And they did. They follow a lawsuit against him. 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:25.000 Yeah, it got pretty ugly, so production was obviously halted 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.480 and it was still sort of in being contested when 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.000 Sam Kennison very sadly died in a car wreck in 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.120 nineteen ninety two at age thirty eight. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.520 Okay, all right, that's a little weird. So far two 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.839 actors who tried to play it took have died young. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.680 But surely that doesn't mean anything. 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.600 Right, No, curses aren't real. 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.640 No, although it is real because if you continue on 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.760 just a few more years, it took the script claimed 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.000 more lives. 0:13:56.080 --> 0:14:00.360 That's right. In nineteen ninety six, screenwriter Michael o'donne hugh, 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:04.400 who I believe was an SNL guy. Yes, the original 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.280 script writer. I looked him up. I can't remember his 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.520 name now. Maybe it was Todd Carrodge something. He was 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:14.720 a National lampoon guy, and maybe Michael o'donahue was too. 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.160 So it's kind of been that world long way of saying. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.960 He took over, did some rewrites and recruited none other 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.600 than the great, great John Candy, and very sadly, we 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.640 all know what happened to John Candy. He passed away 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.440 at the age of forty three of a heart attack 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.000 and o'donahue also died of a cerebral hemorrhage at fifty eight, 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.480 so that was a double curse. And this is the 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:37.560 point where I can remind everybody to go out and 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:42.160 watch the John Candy documentary because it is wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:46.040 Okay, good, thank you for that. One other thing about that, 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:51.400 John Candy and Michael o'donnahugh died the same year, in 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.360 nineteen ninety six, which was also the same year that 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.240 they decided to make this movie. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:58.160 Is that not clear? 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.800 No? Okay, so that was I mean to me, that's like, 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.320 that's very surprising. Okay. I'm also you, guys, I'm not 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.680 this really this credulous, but it is very interesting to me. Okay, 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.640 for sure what happened the next year, Chuck, Surely the 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.320 horrible reign of Terror of a took came to an 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.440 end after John Candy and Michael o'donnick. 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.160 No, No, I think you know who's coming. Very sadly. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.360 If if there's one more person kind of waiting in 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.040 the wings for this kind of role, it's Chris Farley. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.400 Of course. In nineteen ninety seven, he decided to take 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.360 on this role and got his buddy Phil Hartman on board, 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.680 and we should doubly point this out. They died before 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.160 they could get that movie made the very same year. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:47.400 Yeah, that same year, the same year, Yeah, Chris Farley died, 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.520 that's right. The next year Phil Hartman died. We did 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:51.640 a whole episode on him. 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:52.880 Yeah, that was a good one. 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.400 Yeah. So, I mean there's a bunch of deaths of 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:01.600 people tagged onto a Took, and It Took still hasn't 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.400 been made. It's a very weird curse as far as 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.480 Hollywood curses go, and there's plenty of those. It's a 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.960 strange curse if you ask me. But the people that 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.800 Tails from Development Hell website, they did a pretty good 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.160 article on this and they pointed out that if It 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.720 Took is a killer script, there's other killer scripts out 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.520 there that all those same people were attached to it. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.560 At least Belushi, Kennison, Candy and Farley were. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:29.120 Yeah. The very famously the Great Great Book A Confederacy 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.600 of Dunce's has never been made, and there's been just 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.840 tons and tons of people attached. I think Philip Seymour 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.680 Hoffman was attached to that as well, and he passed 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.000 away and I think Will Ferrell was attached. There's been 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.840 a lot of people attached because it's just such a 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:43.840 great book. Did you ever read that? 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.440 No? I is it just about like southern foibles? Or 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.040 is it like better, bigger? 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.840 It's better? Okay, Yeah, it's good. 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:59.880 What's it? Foible? Just a unique kind of sometimes naked 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.560 of characteristic or trade or habit or something like that. 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.280 Just something that makes somebody themselves and not like other 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.280 people that you kind of have to put up with 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.240 if you're gonna love that person. How about that? 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.240 Oh? So I have many foibles? 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.360 Oh I have a lot of too. 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.840 Yeah, what's the other one? Of the Fatty Arbuckle biopic? 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.439 All those guys are attached to that at one point 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:22.920 as well. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.359 That's weird that all of those guys and Philip Seymour 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.800 Hoffman were attached to the Confederacy of Dunces too. That's interesting. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:30.800 Yeah. 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.560 I'm glad you mentioned Will Ferrell though, because I want 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.680 to take a second and give a PSA the defensive 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.840 Will Ferrell and John c Riley and their movie Holmes 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:41.480 and Watson. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.960 Oh yeah, you texted me you liked it, right, Yes. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:48.840 When we did our episode on I guess, Sherlock Holmes. Yeah, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.639 we got a lot of hate from people who were like, 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.080 that movie sucked, it's terrible, and it's got like a 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.879 really bad rating generally on it's just to. 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.160 Be just one of the worst movies. So I'm glad 0:17:59.200 --> 0:17:59.680 you liked it. 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.720 That is wrong. I mean, if you're going in looking 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.040 for any kind of high browse cinema, yes you're going 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.680 to be deeply disappointed. But if you're familiar with the 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.520 cinema of John c Riley and Will Ferrell together, yeah, 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.160 you're gonna actually be pleasantly surprised, especially if you think 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.360 you're going in there like this movie kind of sucks. 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.399 It's it's cute. It's a good movie as far as 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:20.680 those movies are concerned. 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.120 I want to check it out now, I will. Yeah, 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:24.840 was there a Catalina wine mixer in that one? 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.879 No, there was not, no, nothing like that. It was 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:32.159 a very it was true to the period. 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.320 Well, I kind of want to see it now, so 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:35.359 you should see it. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.000 I texted to you and told you to see it. 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:38.800 And this is what it takes for you to finally 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:39.320 listen to me. 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.400 All Right, I'm gonna go funder my foibles and we'll 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:44.080 be back after this. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:55.399 You came along and it was like, yeah, well we 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:56.200 were work pals. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:12.560 Okay, Chuck, We're gonna head on over to present day 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:17.240 Uzbekistan and there you'll find that I had already parked 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:18.760 the way back machine. So let's get in. 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.560 That's right, and we are talking about the Curse of 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:33.840 tamer Lame. Originally Timur the Lame, And we very much 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.879 need to point out here that calling someone lame is 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.119 not a word that we use anymore, very much an 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.600 antiquated term, but that was what they called Timor, and 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.119 it was then anglicized to tamer Lame t a m 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:51.000 E r l a n E tamer Lane, not lame, right, 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.640 So maybe they were already getting the picture, like it's 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.120 not a nice thing to say, right. 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.960 He was a fourteenth century Mongol war lord. I don't 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.080 don't know if he's a descendant, probably, but he's certainly 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:07.000 a successor to Genghis Khan or Chingas Khan, and very 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.000 much like Chingis Khan, he was responsible for the deaths 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.359 of lots and lots of people. Yeah, the number that 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:17.600 I see bandied about most frequently is seventeen million people, jeez, 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.120 which even more impressive is that that is about five 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:25.200 percent of the entire global population at the time. That's 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.840 how many people died as a result of Tamerlane's conquests. 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.120 Yeah, and I think by impressive you mean depressing. 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.919 Sure, yes, exactly. I mean if you are impressed by 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.880 large numbers regardless, what theres en that's all I mean. 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.959 Yeah, So what are you into large numbers? 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.560 Yeah, listen to this one seventeen million? 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:48.960 Whoa very impressed? 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.040 What are you talking about? Deaths? 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:55.199 This date is over. So he was known as the 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.359 scourge of God, and he was a member of the 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.760