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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and Chuck's here,

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Speaker 1: I'm Jerry's here. So that makes the Stuff you Should Know.

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Speaker 1: And I guess we're just get to call this one

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Speaker 1: of our silly editions.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's silly. I think it's

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Speaker 2: kind of fun. People like caring about curses even though

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Speaker 2: you know it's not a real thing, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I would call silliness fun inherently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then we're in agreement.

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Speaker 2: I just want to clear up whether or not we

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Speaker 2: were a cursed podcast, because we are. We've had pretty

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Speaker 2: good successes at our curse.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, don't you remember we have a curse on

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Speaker 1: other people's TV shows and our own.

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Speaker 2: Actually, oh, that's right. When we would mention something, a

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Speaker 2: TV show would get canceled.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, when we would go on a TV show,

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Speaker 1: it would get canceled. Oh yeah, it happened to I

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Speaker 1: don't remember the name of her program, but one of

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Speaker 1: Solidad O'Brien's shows. Yeah, the whatever show with the Alexis

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Speaker 1: and Jennifer Uh huh. Jeff Probs daytime talk.

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Speaker 2: Show yeah, propsed in it up. I think it's called.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's more, but like all three of

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Speaker 1: those we went on and like seriously, within weeks they

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Speaker 2: Man, now I'm suddenly glad we never went on Conan O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: Yeah really, So, yes, we have our own curse, which

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Speaker 1: is hilarious and wonderful because I think that's just one

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Speaker 1: more one more feather to put in our cap, you know.

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Speaker 2: That's right. And as you pointed out, we when we

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Speaker 2: went on our own TV show that was also canceled.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was bound to happen, actually got canceled.

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Speaker 2: I always say canceled, it was not renewed. There's a difference.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a big difference. Canceled is like just stop,

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Speaker 1: stop to stop.

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Speaker 2: It is like, you know, we covered one show last

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Speaker 2: week that had a radar show for mash had a pilot,

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Speaker 1: Canceled, yeah, like mid air basically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, before it hit the West coast. So that made

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Speaker 2: me feel a lot better.

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Speaker 1: So let's just say, let's just give a little heads

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Speaker 1: up to everybody, especially the people who are like all

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Speaker 1: I want is science from stuff you should know. This

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Speaker 1: is like I said, it's a little silly. You said,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be fun. A lot of this stuff

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Speaker 1: is just legend. So we kind of tried to fact

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Speaker 1: check as much as we could, but factchecking is a

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Speaker 1: little bit beyond the point because when you start to

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Speaker 1: look into them, everything just falls apart. So that's why,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're basically doing an anthropological view of some

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Speaker 1: famous curses or interesting curses that aren't necessarily famous.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And we're going to start with the curse

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Speaker 2: on Brunswick Springs, and that is a place in Brunswick, Vermont, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that has has a spring, has actually six of them,

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Speaker 2: and each one of these they're pretty great springs. They

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Speaker 2: have some different minerals flowing out of each one, magnesium, sulfur, bromide, calcium, iron,

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Speaker 1: No, they actually kind of stopped trying. And the reason

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Speaker 1: why is because there's a curse on the springs. We'll

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Speaker 2: Sound like you're gonna say right after this break.

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Speaker 1: Or something, So let's all go with the Abenaki, chuck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are an Algonquin speaking tribe and they have

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, but this was like sacred ground to the Abenaki.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is kind of a mild curse for having

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, like, and also you suffer illness

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Speaker 1: Right exactly. So, very shortly after that, the British one,

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Speaker 2: That's right. I'm surprised when they included that medicine water

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And since then, no one's tried to rebuild there again,

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Speaker 2: Why, chuck, Well, because the Abenaki tribe actually purchased the

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Speaker 1: Pretty neat. Huh.

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Speaker 1: That's a great end of that story. Agreed, And the

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Speaker 2: Go back to sleep now, curse and you're going to

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Speaker 1: Well hold on, let's have Jerry put some interstitial Christmas

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Speaker 2: All right, So hooray for Hollywood. This is when I

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Speaker 2: pretty well regarded curse as far as you know. In

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Speaker 2: Hollyod with Circles, there was a script based on a book.

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Speaker 2: It was a nineteen sixty three satirical Canadian novel called

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Speaker 2: The Incomparable I Took by Mordecai Rickler, and it's about

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Speaker 1: You're right, it's a great satirical novel. It's essentially the

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Speaker 2: Him, that's right. And there was actually a line and

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Speaker 1: It really was. You got there eventually.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, okay, Jerry.

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Speaker 1: I can just see Jerry editing this with her face

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Speaker 2: Jerry doesn't do anymore.

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Speaker 1: I know. So what the book came out in nineteen

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Speaker 2: That's right. In nineteen ninety six, screenwriter Michael o'donne hugh,

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Speaker 2: Oh? So I have many foibles?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the other one? Of the Fatty Arbuckle biopic?

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Speaker 1: That's weird that all of those guys and Philip Seymour

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Speaker 2: Well, I kind of want to see it now, so

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Speaker 1: I texted to you and told you to see it.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm gonna go funder my foibles and we'll

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Speaker 3: You came along and it was like, yeah, well we

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Speaker 1: Okay, Chuck, We're gonna head on over to present day

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Speaker 2: That's right, and we are talking about the Curse of

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Speaker 2: tamer Lame. Originally Timur the Lame, And we very much

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Speaker 1: He was a fourteenth century Mongol war lord. I don't

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Speaker 2: He the sacked cities all over the place, Moscow, Persia, Deli, Damascus,

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Speaker 2: I think he's conquered.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's about the best thing you could say.

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Speaker 2: in a mausoleum at a mosque in Samarkan, and he

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00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: was there just you know, entombed is a dead person

435
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 2: for about five hundred years until Stalin came along in

436
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 2: nineteen forty one and said, do you know what I

437
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 2: want to see? If this guy truly had apparently the

438
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: lame and again I hate even using that words, but

439
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 2: his issue was that he had issues with both his

440
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: right limbs, his right arm and his right leg, and

441
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: Stalin sounds like he wanted to get down to the

442
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: nitty gritty and see if that was really true.

443
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also get the impression that Stalin was also

444
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: flexing his power, like over his vassal states, you know,

445
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: saying like, you're this conquering hero that's like the most

446
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: revered person in your culture. I can dig him up

447
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: basically if I want to.

448
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

449
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

450
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: One of the other points of the expedition was that

451
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: the leader of the expedition, Mikhail jerezim Off. Yeah, he

452
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: was a renowned forensic reconstructionist, so he was going to

453
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: take Tamberlaine's skull and basically do a lifelike likeness of

454
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 1: him from it. Right. So here's the problem with all

455
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: that there's a There was an inscription they say on

456
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: Timor's tomb that read, whosoever disturbs my grave shall unleasha

457
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: conquer greater than I. So they enter Timor's tomb, they

458
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: disentomb him. I guess is what you would call that.

459
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: They exom him.

460
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think I zoom means take out of

461
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: the ground. This is taking out of the right good point. Yeah,

462
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: So they take him out of his tomb. Let's just

463
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: stop being hoity toity. And two days later, two days later,

464
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: Hitler rolls across the Russian border, the western Russian border,

465
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Speaker 1: in the biggest land invasion ever before or since. It's

466
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Speaker 1: called Operation Barbarossa.

467
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: And how many days later was this too?

468
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: Just too? Yeah? Two two days after they disentombed Timor.

469
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Speaker 2: The setting of two suns.

470
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Speaker 1: That's all I actually saw it put like that.

471
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, it was a massive invasion. Nearly four million

472
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: German and Axis troops flooded there to help out. Like

473
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Speaker 2: you said, it's the largest invasion in his and as

474
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: many as sixteen million, not quite seventeen, but still a

475
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: big number. And so I hope we're all impressed. Sure,

476
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: Russian civilians, just civilians, alone were killed and millions more,

477
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: obviously soldiers were killed, and it just the bloodshed kept

478
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: going on while Germany was there in Russia, and it

479
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: was a bad scene.

480
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: It was a terrible scene. Right. So, like the tide

481
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: eventually did turn, and one of the battles that the

482
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: whole thing turned on was the Battle of Stalingrad, which

483
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: is considered still to this day the bloodiest urban battle

484
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: in history. The USSR lost one point one million soldiers

485
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: in fighting in just this one city. Right, Yeah, the

486
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: Battle of Stalingrad ended about the same time that Stalin

487
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: ordered timors remains to be re entombed.

488
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as the legend goes, Stalin got a

489
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: little spooked and was like, all right, well maybe this thing,

490
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: you know, this curse happened because of what I did.

491
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: And so they put him back in there and that

492
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 2: was it. They were repelled. The Germans were repelled from

493
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: the USSR. But here's the deal. The curses kind of

494
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: not only obviously our curses not real, but this one

495
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: doesn't even seem to be real at all.

496
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, like Stalin couldn't have even gotten kg about

497
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: the curse because it seems to have been invented not

498
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: until two thousand and three.

499
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how did that happen.

500
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: Well, our friend Craig Collins on the site Hidden Compass,

501
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: he's the one who said two suns set before the

502
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: Nazis invaded for real. He had a really good article

503
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: about it. He found a Russian documentary from two thousand

504
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: and three and they mention, I get the sense it's

505
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: a very History Channel esque documentary from Russia. They mentioned

506
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: a book that they don't name, they don't show, but

507
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: they say in the book there was inscribed this curse

508
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: saying like if you dig me up or disintune me,

509
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: I'm going to unleash a conquer on you. That seems

510
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: to have kind of translated into this idea that that

511
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: curse was inscribed on his tomb.

512
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: Ah.

513
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: We know for a fact it was not inscribed on

514
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: his tomb because that same Soviet team that disentombed Timor. Yeah,

515
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: they copied down all of the inscriptions. One of them

516
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: went back and translated them all and published it as

517
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: a book. There wasn't a single curse in there. No curse,

518
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: but the rest of the stuff is fairly accurate. The

519
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: timing actually is still pretty accurate. It's just the fact

520
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: that there wasn't an actual stated curse is the thing. Wow, Wow, indeed,

521
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: I think. But so let's stop talking about tens of

522
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: millions of people dying, Chuck, and let's start talking more

523
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: about baseball.

524
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, America's past time. We're not going to talk about

525
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: the curse of the Bambino in the Red Sox. We're

526
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: going to talk about the other great curse, the Curse

527
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: of the Goat, which involves the beloved Chicago Cubs, a

528
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 2: team that I have grown to love, Yeah, merely by

529
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: growing up watching them on WGN after school and by

530
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: going to wrigley Field now a few times.

531
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I tell everybody, Wrigley Field's the easiest ballpark to

532
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: just walk right into. It's wonderful.

533
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the best. You don't even need a ticket.

534
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: So let's get back in the way back. Let's get

535
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: back in the way back machine, Chuck, and talk about

536
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: somebody who actually did have a ticket and still had

537
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: a problem getting in. We're going to go back to

538
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: October sixth, nineteen forty five, a particularly chilly day, and

539
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: when we show up at wrigley Field, we're going to

540
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: find that the Cubs are scheduled to play the Tigers

541
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: in Game four of what's known as the World Series

542
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: of Baseball.

543
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: That's right, and the guy trying to get in was

544
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: a bar owner. He owned a tavern called the Lincoln

545
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: Tavern on Madison. His name was William Sianis. He's a

546
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: Greek immigrant, and got a couple of box seats for

547
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: seven dollars and twenty cents. Apiece walked up to Wrigley

548
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: Field with his pet goat, Murphy. Murphy had a little

549
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: blanket on because it was unseasonably chilly for early October.

550
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: And there was a sign on Murphy that said we

551
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: got Detroit's goat. And he's like, this will be great.

552
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to go in here with my goat. I

553
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: love this goat and we're going to watch the ball game.

554
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: And the kid at the gate said, sir, I don't

555
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: think you can have a goat in here. That's my

556
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: best Simpsons guy.

557
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: That was pretty close to pretty good.

558
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they rejected him and he was not

559
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: allowed to come in.

560
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: No, And so Sianis, I mean, he was fairly well known.

561
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if connected's the right word, but he

562
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: owned what was known as the Lincoln Tavern. I think

563
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: you said. He had since renamed it before this the

564
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: Billy Goat Tavern, because Murphy as a kid had fallen

565
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: off some truck back in nineteen thirty four and wandered

566
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: into the Lincoln tavern and Sanis was like, you're now

567
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: the mascot. Apparently he even formally adopted Murphy through court,

568
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: and Murphy had great homes. So these guys have been

569
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: friends for over ten years by the time this incident happened.

570
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: So Sianis is like, you know what, I got just

571
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: enough clout to get in touch with Philip K. Wriggly.

572
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: I want him to say I can't come in before

573
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: I'll accept it.

574
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: That's right. So he pleaded his case. He said, I

575
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: went to goat court for this guy, and it's all legal,

576
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: and everyone loves Murphy. You should see people at the

577
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: tavern and Wriggly apparently supposedly said no, and then he

578
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: said let Billy in, but not the goat. Yuck, yuck, yuck.

579
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: And when he was like, well, why not the goat,

580
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: I went to goat court and everything, Wriggly said because

581
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: the goat stinks, which he didn't need to say that,

582
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: like goats have an odor and everybody knows that. You

583
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: don't have to point it out.

584
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: So Ciennis was like, I'm not going to take this

585
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: sitting down. He stood up. He said, my pride has

586
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: been wounded. You have incited and insulted my goat friend of

587
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: more than a decade. So he cursed the Cubs right

588
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: then and there. He apparently exclaimed, the Cubs ain't gonna

589
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: win no more. The Cubs will never win a World

590
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: Series so long as the goat is not allowed in

591
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: Wrigley Field, and he stormed off with Murphy in tow.

592
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: There's another version that says that they were allowed in,

593
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: but they ended up getting kicked out because other fans

594
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: complained that Murphy was trying to eat their food, and

595
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: then the curse happened. Either way, they got cursed because

596
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: Murphy was not allowed to sit and watch the game.

597
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: All right, I think that's a great cliffhanger because we

598
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: got to see what happened to the Cubs and we'll

599
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: find that out right after this.

600
00:31:54,080 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: And when you came along and it was like, yeah, well.

601
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: We were work pals club flues. Great, that's exactly what happened.

602
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: They lost that game. They lost the World Series to

603
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: the Tigers and Sianas apparently sent a telegram that said,

604
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: who stinks now, Yeah, and the Curse of the Billy

605
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: Goat was born. And for the rest of the twentieth

606
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: century and well into the twenty first century, the Cubs were,

607
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: you know, a five hundred ish team. They didn't do

608
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: so great. They had about fifteen winning seasons over that

609
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: span from forty six to two thousand and three, finished

610
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: first place three times, no pennants, no World Series appearances,

611
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: and just for postseason appearance.

612
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so just for people like me who don't

613
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: follow baseball, or at least don't follow baseball stats that

614
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: have a decimal involved, they had fifteen winning seasons over

615
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: fifty seven years, and that just means that in those

616
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: seasons they won more games than they lost, right, that's right.

617
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: That is terrible, especially Chuck, when you consider up to

618
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: that curse, the Cubs were one of the best teams

619
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: in baseball and had been their entire existence. They'd won

620
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: the World Series the year before the curse too, So

621
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: this was like a real reversal of fortune for the Cubs,

622
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: and it seems to have hinged on the Curse of

623
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: the Billy Goat.

624
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: Murphy that's right. So, you know, because baseball is fun

625
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 2: and people like doing kind of goofing around with kind

626
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: of lore like this, they tried over the years to

627
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: lift this curse. They're like, we'll do some fun stuff.

628
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: So in nineteen seventy three, the new owner of the

629
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 2: Billy Goat tavern, Samsianis, who was the nephew to William

630
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: brought the goat to Wrigley. He says, he's got to

631
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: lift this curse. The goat showed up, I think this

632
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: was a descendant of Murphy Socrates showed up in a

633
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: white limousine with a red carpet entrance, with a sign

634
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: that said all was forgiven. Let me lead the Cubs

635
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: to the pennant. But the grandson of the initial denier said,

636
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: I don't think you can bring that goat in here. Still,

637
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: what I don't get is they really like set this

638
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: all up with the red carpet and still didn't let

639
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: him in. Like so the Cubs were not involved.

640
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: No, they weren't involved. There was I think a Chicago

641
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: Tribune columnist who is kind of helping with the whole thing. Okay,

642
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: the Cubs were not I guess informed ahead of time,

643
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: or like.

644
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 2: Surely they knws it was coming. There was a red

645
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: carpet out there.

646
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they saw the red carpet and they were like, no,

647
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: this isn't happening. So they actually turned a second goat away,

648
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: a descendant of Murphy's. Like you said in nineteen seventy three,

649
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: that's not what you do when you're trying to lift

650
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: a curse. And so this curse continued on for many,

651
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: many more years. But over those same years, Chuck the

652
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: Cubs changed hands several times. I think the Tribune owned

653
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: them for a while, and some of these later owners

654
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: they had a different feeling about letting a goat in

655
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: the park. They were a little more goat friendly.

656
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, if you can have a bunch of

657
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: guys racing around the field and a foot race dressed

658
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: is hardware and tools, Yeah, or at least that's what

659
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: they have at the Brave Stadium.

660
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: Is it just the Braves, I've wondered, Well.

661
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: I mean it's a home depot thing, which is Atlanta,

662
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: So I mean they do all kinds of funny races.

663
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: I think sometimes like in some cities it's like a

664
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: sausage races, a broad worse races a hot dog. Yeah,

665
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: it's it's a drill that races a hammer and then

666
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: like a wrinch or something. I don't know, but at

667
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: any rate, they're like, if we can do that kind

668
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: of silliness, we can let a goat in here to

669
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: lift this curse and at the very least it'll be

670
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: some fun press.

671
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: Right, So they did. There were actually a number of

672
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: times sam Sianis, who led in Socrates in nineteen seventy three,

673
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: or tried to, they brought him back and with other

674
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: descendants of Murphy over the course of a few decades.

675
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: He would walk the goat around the field and say like,

676
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: we're lifting the curse. We're lifting the curse, right.

677
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

678
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: Remember they only had four postseason appearances nineteen eighty four,

679
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: eighty ninety eight, and two thousand and three. That's right,

680
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: All four of those postseason appearances came on years when

681
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: they brought in Murphy's descendants to try to lift the curse.

682
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: Okay, this is what I want to know. Were those

683
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: the only four times they brought the descendant in.

684
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: Those Yes, as far as I understand, yes, those were

685
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: the only four times over that span of those years

686
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: when they brought him in as I'm.

687
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: Pretty sure I think that seals the deal. Then this

688
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: one is actually real.

689
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: Yes, and Chuck, they finally removed the curses twenty sixteen,

690
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: Samseyanis did with help from the ghost of Murphy.

691
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. So in this case, Sam Siannis rang the Trocanie

692
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: bell that was worn by the original goat in the

693
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: nineteen forty five World Series and that year, as everyone knows,

694
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, the Cubs won at all. They beat

695
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Indians and it was kind of one of

696
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: the great World Series. It ended in very dramatic fashion.

697
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it went into extra innings in Game seven.

698
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: And I think that was the game that he rang

699
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: the bell, right.

700
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I apparently he rang it while they were going

701
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: into extra innings in the club one.

702
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: That's incredible.

703
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, as they say, Cubs win, Cubs win, Cubs win.

704
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: Man, that is a great Harry Carey.

705
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: Let's move on, Chuck, Let's head on over to Hong Kong.

706
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: That's right. Jackie Chan one of my favorites. Although I

707
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: haven't seen a movie APIs in a while, we did

708
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: watch the and I had never seen them. I might

709
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: have talked about it on the show, but the one

710
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: with Owen Wilson, The Westerns. What were those? I knew

711
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: Changhai Noon, Shanghai Noon and It's sequel, and I don't

712
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: know why I never saw those, and they were both

713
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: quite delightful, especially to watch with, you know, like a

714
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: nine or ten year old.

715
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: How do you know they were delightful if you've not

716
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: seen him?

717
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 2: No, I did see them.

718
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: Oh I see, okay.

719
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: I had not seen them up until like last year

720
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: when I finally saw them.

721
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: Gotcha. Yeah, he does make some pretty delightful movies. Rumbling

722
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: the Bronx was pretty good.

723
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: I love that one.

724
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Rush Hours were fairly fine.

725
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 2: I did not see those.

726
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: They were watchable. Chris Tucker is pretty great. I like

727
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker at any rate. Jackie Chan is pretty big

728
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: in the West, but he is He can eclipse the

729
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: sun in China. He's been an enormous star since the

730
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: eighties when he started starring in movies. He started out

731
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: as a stuntman and he kind of came well, I

732
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: don't want to stay on the other side of the camera.

733
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: But he actually started acting in front of a camera

734
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: that was rolling in filming essentially, but as himself, not

735
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: as some other actor, I guess is what I'm trying

736
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: to say. When he and then he became a star

737
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: very quickly. And this is a time well in the

738
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: entire world where the Internet wasn't around, but I think

739
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: China had access to it even later than other people,

740
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: so the choice of stars to choose from was much

741
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: more limited, which let Jackie Chan just get bigger and

742
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger over the year. So he's huge in China,

743
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: he is.

744
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: And my friend, I think you missed your calling. You

745
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: could have been a director with your neck for the vernacular.

746
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe the snort chuck.

747
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: All right, so Jackie Chan gets famous in the United States. Finally,

748
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: that Rumble in the Bronx that you mentioned was his

749
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: I think his first big American film in nineteen ninety five.

750
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: I'm not going to count the Canniball Run movies.

751
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: Was he in that?

752
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

753
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: In the original ones?

754
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: I mean truly, they haven't been remade, right.

755
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: I think they have? Have they? Really? I think I'd

756
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: just say stuff though sometimes he.

757
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: Was in he was in Cannonball Run. Okay, like waite

758
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: a minute, now, I'm doubting myself. I'm pretty sure. Remember

759
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 2: there were the two you know, the two. I think

760
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: they were supposed to be Japanese in the movie that

761
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: didn't speak English, that were racing, and I think Jackie

762
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: Chan was one of them. But now I'm doubting myself.

763
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll look it up.

764
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I thought they only used Italian actors to play

765
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: Japanese people.

766
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: Beat Well, yeah, that's true old Hollywood. But here's where

767
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: Jackie Chan's curse comes in, because he has endorsed a

768
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: lot of brands over the years as a pitch person,

769
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: and a lot of those brands have gone out of

770
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 2: business after he pitched them.

771
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much so that there's a what they call

772
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: a Jackie Chan curse where if you are going to

773
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: take advantage of his fame, basking in the glow of

774
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: his glory, and say, hold this product while I take

775
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: a photo of you, and then turn that photo into

776
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: billboards and maybe we'll have you move around with my

777
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: product and turn those into actual commercials too that will

778
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: put on television. You do so at your own risk,

779
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of companies that have taken a

780
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: nose dive after they hired him as their pitch man.

781
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: That's right, by the way, confirmed that was Jackie Chan

782
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: and Cannonball Run Wowie. But I have a feeling he

783
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: didn't speak English at the time, and I don't think

784
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: the character spoke English, so it didn't matter.

785
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he learned everything he knows about acting from Dom Delauise.

786
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: Maybe. So who I met when I was six years old?

787
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: Oh?

788
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I met Don Delouise walking around Stowe Mountain

789
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: Park one time, and I was delighted because I was

790
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: a big, big Cannonball Run fan. And he signed a envelope.

791
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: My mom had a you know when you get autographs

792
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: in those days before the selfie, and my mom had

793
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: a bill like with the little cellophane window, and he

794
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: signed that envelope. So somewhere in my past had Tom

795
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: Delawi's name scribbled on a bill to Georgia Bout.

796
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: That's wonderful.

797
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So should we read through some of these that

798
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: went out of business?

799
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because some of them went out of business in

800
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: fairly dramatic fashion too.

801
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to pick this one. Then the Seinear

802
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: Frozen Dumpling Company went out of business after staff was

803
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: found in their dumplings.

804
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a company that made video compact discs, also

805
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: known as VCDs, they went bankrupt and the head of

806
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: the company went to jail for fraud after they hired him.

807
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: Wait, is a VCD something VCDs? So did that predate

808
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: the DBD?

809
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: Yes? I believe it did.

810
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: Wow, I've never heard of this. That's and it wasn't

811
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: like obviously the big platter like laser disc or whatever.

812
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: No, they were compact discs actually, and they were video

813
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: compact discs. I don't know what year this was, huh,

814
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: but it does. Crazy. Yeah, I think it does predate

815
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: the DVDs, or else they would just call them DVDs.

816
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you're right. Here's what forya. Do you

817
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: know what DVD stands for?

818
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: Direct to video direct?

819
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people. In fact, I heard

820
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 2: our pal Scott Ackerman on his movie show Scott Hasn't

821
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: Seen the other day said digital video disc and I

822
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: was going to text him and shame him, but I didn't.

823
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: But it's actual, actually digital versatile disc.

824
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: Oh that's yeah. You can call it a DVD or

825
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: a VCD, so it is quite versatile, all right.

826
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: An air conditioning company that Jackie chan Endors had a

827
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: unit explode and sales dropped, and I don't know if

828
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: they went out of business, but that's not a good look.

829
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: Also, there is a herbal hair lost shampoo called bah Wang,

830
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: and I don't think they went out of business, but

831
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: their sales obviously plummeted after it was misreported that it

832
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: contained a carcinogen.

833
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: So oh.

834
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: There are also other brands where like their product just

835
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: didn't get off the ground even though they had Jackie

836
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: Chan as their pitchment. Volkswagen had a panel van called

837
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: the Caddy that they just stopped making because no one

838
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: was buying them. Fenn Wang Coola fizzled out. I see

839
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: in every single article on the Jackie Chan curse. There

840
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: was a children's computer called the sub or supe Boar

841
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: learning machine. All of these just failed failed, failed. So

842
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: Jackie Chan is clearly cursed, right.

843
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: That's right, clearly cursed. To be fair, Jackie Chan is

844
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: one of those guys in his home country where they

845
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: would just walk up to him and say, hey, we'll

846
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 2: give you ten grand if you'll stand here for twenty

847
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: five seconds and hold this thing. He was down with

848
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: endorsing a lot of products, so you probably got about

849
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty shot of a Jackie Chan product

850
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: being endorsed and not doing so well.

851
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: So it's basically just the law of statistics that he's

852
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: willing to pitch so many things that, of course some

853
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: of them are going to be clunkers.

854
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, unless you count tennis.

855
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, this Jackie Chan curse extended or just showed up

856
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: or kind of spread its girth across the twenty twenty

857
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: five Australian Open. Not one, not two, but three different

858
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: tennis players who made it to the final rounds Arena Sabalanca,

859
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: Alexander Zevrev and Jelena Ostapenko. They made it to the

860
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: final rounds and all three of them lost their matches.

861
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: After they met Jackie Chan and shook his hand. Wow,

862
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: that's really something. I wouldn't get too close to Jackie

863
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: Chan if I had a business or was a professional athlete.

864
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: Owen Wilson did all right, did he?

865
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: Though?

866
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: I think, do you want to do this last one?

867
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: Or should we call it a day?

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Speaker 1: Sure we can, we can call it a day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in true to our curse, we can

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Speaker 2: never get to a full list, and everyone's just gonna

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Speaker 2: have to wonder what this last curse was. I think

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Speaker 2: I had heard it called the zero factor at one point,

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Speaker 2: So let's just tease that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll call it that. Uh, you got anything else

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Speaker 1: about curses, Chuck?

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Speaker 2: I got nothing else.

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Speaker 1: Well, we got a the Wayback Machine in the shop

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Speaker 1: because we don't normally use it this often, so it

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Speaker 1: needs a good tune up by think, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What's making a weird noise too, that plunky thing.

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Speaker 1: In the smoke too. Yeah. Well, since we just talked

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Speaker 1: about the way Back Machine, that means it's time for

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Speaker 1: a listener mail.

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Speaker 2: This is from Brett about our episode about Tippy Hedron

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Speaker 2: getting the Vietnamese nail salon started in the United States. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: to just listen to that episode, and it reminded me

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Speaker 2: of a documentary called The Donut King about Ted And

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce this n g o

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Speaker 2: y He's Cambodian. I'm gonna say, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to try, Okay, but I know that ng

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Speaker 2: e n is pronounced when.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's like n g y e n

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Speaker 1: or something like that. But yeah, so this would be uy.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we're butchering this. I'm sorry, everybody, We're trying anyway, guys.

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Speaker 2: I often wondered about why so many donut shops, especially

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Speaker 2: here in southern California, are operated by Asian families. The

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Speaker 2: documentary is about a Cambodian immigrant who opened a donut shop,

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Speaker 2: then used it as a loophole to bring other Cambodian

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Speaker 2: citizens over during Polepot's reign and train them to have

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Speaker 2: their own donut shops, which he helped fund nat He

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Speaker 2: ended up helping dozens, maybe even hundreds of families immigrate,

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Speaker 2: and he basically had a West Coast donut empire. He

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Speaker 2: wasn't without his flaws, though, you should Know, and the

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Speaker 2: documentary touches on that stuff, but totally worth watch. Maybe

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Speaker 2: a candidate for a short stuff Thanks for entertaining me

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Speaker 2: at work all day and keep up the nerdy work

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Speaker 2: That is from Brett with one.

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Speaker 1: T nice Brett, thank you for that. Definitely hadn't heard

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Speaker 1: that story and it sounds quite worth looking into. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you want to be like Brett and recommend a

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Speaker 1: great idea for short stuff or a regular episode, or

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Speaker 1: say you go watch this documentary, we always welcome that.

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Speaker 1: You can send it off to Stuff podcast at iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: dot com.

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