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Speaker 2: All Right, guys, it's unbelievable that we're here in July

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Speaker 1: Look? And first of all, there are pretty good arguments

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Speaker 2: Well? Isn't it legacy? I Mean I've always ared that

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Speaker 2: So Biden's got you know, you get the family of

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Speaker 1: don't think that Mamie Eisenhower at the same level they were.

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Speaker 1: She and Ike had a very affectionate relationship, but they

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Speaker 1: had a pretty severe distinction between his job as a

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Speaker 1: general or his job as a president and their personal relationship.

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Speaker 1: So I think Nixon had great affection for par and

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Speaker 1: in many ways listen to Pat and they endured Watergate together.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Frank frankly that the Carters were very,

436
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Speaker 1: very much one unit. And I think that she had

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Speaker 1: as much influence on Jimmy as anybody, so that it

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Speaker 1: partly depends. But here you've got a guy. I remember

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Speaker 1: also when you get to be his age, and for example,

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Speaker 1: you're a little worried walking up and downstairs because falling

441
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Speaker 1: really is a significant problem. At his age, the person

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Speaker 1: you most rely on is Jill. Well, that creates a

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Speaker 1: sense of dependency. And so she says as the person

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Speaker 1: who's closest to him, the person who protects him, she's

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Speaker 1: telling him positive things. I mean, I think if she

446
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Speaker 1: was saying to him, why don't you drop out for

447
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Speaker 1: your legacy, that might be a different conversation. But she's

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Speaker 1: telling him what he wants to hear. You're doing great.

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Speaker 1: Rememb remember that whole scene after the debate.

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Speaker 2: You answered every question, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was. And then I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you picked up on it, but I thought, when

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Speaker 1: she turns and she says, and what did Trump do?

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Speaker 1: He lied? The way she yelled lied reminded me immediately

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Speaker 1: of Governor Dean in Iowa in the primary.

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Speaker 2: The Dean scream, we're going up in New Hampshire. We're

457
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Speaker 2: going Iowa, whoa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now she had some of that you know, over

459
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Speaker 1: the top kind of this is really we're really positive,

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Speaker 1: we're really not giving in.

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Speaker 2: I want to I want to go back to the

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Speaker 2: post debate fallout right, and this is where I want

463
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Speaker 2: to tap into to your expertise from a crisis communications standpoint.

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Speaker 2: I felt like they acknowledged that a bad night that night,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Kamala comes on air and say, as you know,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't the best night, but three and a half years,

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Speaker 2: good talking points, whatever, and then they let this time

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Speaker 2: go by, like literally, we're here at day twelve and

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Speaker 2: they're still worried about members of Congress. I cannot believe

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Speaker 2: based on what you and I both agree, the outcome

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Speaker 2: is that Joe Biden digs in, stays his denominee. The

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Speaker 2: idea that rank and file and even committee chairman on

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Speaker 2: the House side, on the Democratic House side, are coming

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Speaker 2: out now twelve days later. I don't get that. Politically.

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Speaker 2: I get the day after or whatever saying hey, I

476
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Speaker 2: have a problem here, but why would you wait twelve days,

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Speaker 2: ten days? As a rank and file member, that to

478
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Speaker 2: me seems like, Wow, you're cutting off your political future

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Speaker 2: real quick.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think first of all, my impression is that

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Speaker 1: they didn't believe it was as bad as it was.

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Speaker 1: So I think the first reaction of the White House

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Speaker 1: was sort of what they've said, we had a bad night,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't realize that, No, they didn't have a

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Speaker 1: bad night. They had a cataclysmic night. They had a

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Speaker 1: night that changed the perception of one hundred million Americans. Second,

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Speaker 1: because they didn't realize how bad it was, they didn't

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Speaker 1: go to an auto to an immediate rescue operation, and

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Speaker 1: it was only as the media began to pile on

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Speaker 1: that they and when nobody was jumping up to defending.

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Speaker 1: I think part of the lag was this was so

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Speaker 1: much worse than they thought possible. Their campaign manager doesn't

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Speaker 1: have the kind of authority that Susie Wiles and Chris

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Speaker 1: Lsavita have for Trump, so they're not able to turn

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Speaker 1: and they don't have a machine, you know. I think

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Speaker 1: the Trump people could reach out in touch virtually every

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Speaker 1: elected Republican within twelve hours. I think the Biden people

498
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Speaker 1: literally weren't prepared for that kind of all out grassroots,

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Speaker 1: get him back in line, talk to him, reassure him,

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Speaker 1: and so it grew out of control. Now I think

501
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Speaker 1: they're getting it back in control. And it's starting from

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Speaker 1: their real base, which is the Black Caucus. And the

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Speaker 1: fact that the Black Caucus is going to be militant,

504
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Speaker 1: given its size in the Democratic Party, almost guarantees that

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Speaker 1: an anti Biden rebellion can occurs successfully.

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Speaker 2: So put yourself back in the shoes. They met, as

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Speaker 2: I said, this morning, as a caucus came Jeffries according

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Speaker 2: to like playbook, and everyone else was going to be

509
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Speaker 2: in listen mode. Should he be in lead mode? Right?

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Speaker 2: Should he? And Pelosi, as the elders and the leaders

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Speaker 2: that caucus be saying, guys, Biden's made it clear he's

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Speaker 2: going to be the nominee. No more dissension among the ranks.

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Speaker 2: We're all on board on this. Or should he be?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like there's a lack of Pelosi

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Speaker 2: and he keep Jeffries trying to say to the flock, guys,

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Speaker 2: get in line. And is that the right mover?

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Speaker 1: No, Well, I've always followed a model of listen, learn, help,

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Speaker 1: and lead. So I would say you walk into a room,

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Speaker 1: because here's what happens. You're dealing with independently elected people.

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Speaker 1: This isn't like a cabinet where you appoint them when

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Speaker 1: you fharro. They're independently elected. So if you try to

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Speaker 1: be a cheerleader, what you can do is you can

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Speaker 1: suppress them and they'll shut up. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: they've changed their mind. It just means they've decided they

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Speaker 1: don't want to take you on. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: if you let everybody ventilate, everybody gets to say here's

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Speaker 1: how I feel, here's how my district feels. First of all,

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Speaker 1: you know that over half of them are going to say,

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Speaker 1: my district wants Biden to stay. So you're gonna you

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Speaker 1: gradually build a growing majority. You'll have a bunch of

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Speaker 1: them who are waivering, and as they see where the

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Speaker 1: boat is going, they'll decide to get on it. And

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Speaker 1: then you'll have a small group that really does think

534
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Speaker 1: this is hopeless. But they also begin to shut up

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Speaker 1: because if in fact he is the inevitable nominee, and

536
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Speaker 1: if in fact the party's going to unify around him,

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Speaker 1: then it hurts their reelection to be seen as anti Biden. Right,

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Speaker 1: And so I think that's probably the model they're trying

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Speaker 1: to work off of.

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Speaker 2: So the big next evolution of this crisis was yesterday

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Speaker 2: that press briefing unreal, but let's keep it in context.

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Speaker 2: I think everybody I got a question this morning. Somebody

543
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Speaker 2: said to me, did you you know?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: Did you think? Did you? I forgot how they phrase it,

546
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Speaker 2: but my point was, oh my god, I dealt with

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Speaker 2: that every day. I think Krinna has just never had

548
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Speaker 2: to have somebody challenge her on something. The questions about

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Speaker 2: the Parkinson's visit from the doctor what I mean, I

550
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Speaker 2: feel like this is the real issue that they're screwing

551
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Speaker 2: up now, is that they need to reassure yes, we

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Speaker 2: all know he's getting older. Everybody knows that, because that's

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Speaker 2: just that's just you know, life. The Parkinson's issue or

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Speaker 2: another disease issue is where they've got to tread very carefully,

555
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Speaker 2: because if there are concerns about some kind of debilitating disease,

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Speaker 2: then they need to be out in front of this.

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Speaker 2: I felt like yesterday was so in a just ill managed,

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Speaker 2: unprofessional on Corin's part. She was not prepared for this,

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Speaker 2: and it was into you know, the the New York

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Speaker 2: Post and the New York Times. She should have come

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Speaker 2: out and taken this head on, and the idea that

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Speaker 2: doctor O'Connor is putting out a letter later that day

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Speaker 2: does not instill a sense of confidence in the president's

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Speaker 2: medical condition.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think this is the situation where if they

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Speaker 1: can get a specialist who can say with honesty he

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Speaker 1: has some limited cognitive problems, but I am confident that

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Speaker 1: he can serve for the next four years as president

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Speaker 1: and that this will not be permanently damaging, that's worth

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Speaker 1: its weight in gold. Now, if in fact they can't

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Speaker 1: get a doctor to say that, then this thing's never

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Speaker 1: going to go away. And I think people people have

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Speaker 1: not yet factored in we were shocked at how bad

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Speaker 1: Biden was the night of the debate. We have not

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Speaker 1: yet taken into account that. The real question here is

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Speaker 1: are you willing to vote for this guy for four

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Speaker 1: more years given what you've seen. That's a much different

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Speaker 1: issue than can he get from here to January? And

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Speaker 1: I think overwhelmingly even Democrats now when you look at

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Speaker 1: polling data, do not believe he can serve four years.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think that, And to your point,

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Speaker 2: this is a sympathetic I don't want him not only

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Speaker 2: is I mean, I look at this as the leader

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Speaker 2: of the country, the leader of the free world, but

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Speaker 2: then as a human being. I don't want somebody to

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Speaker 2: have to deal with that and face it and personally,

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Speaker 2: and I cannot believe that they're going through this. He's

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Speaker 2: got two big hurdles the rest of the week the

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Speaker 2: way I see this. Number One, you've got these NATO meetings,

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Speaker 2: and the hurdle is not having leaks come out from

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Speaker 2: leaders in their top eight saying he dozed off, he

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Speaker 2: was incoherent, etc. And then secondly, what the White House themselves,

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Speaker 2: unbelievably is branding a big boy press conference. If he

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Speaker 2: doesn't get through both of these with a's, do you

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Speaker 2: think that Friday morning we wake up and have a

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Speaker 2: different conversation about the state of this race.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, particularly if he has either a truly

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Speaker 1: major mistake or if he melts down in the press conference.

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Speaker 1: I mean, why you would take him through a major

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Speaker 1: international meeting with twenty six other leaders and then turn

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Speaker 1: around in the next day have an hour long press conference.

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Speaker 1: That makes no sense at all. I remember years ago

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Speaker 1: Bob Novak told me a story about pacing and politicians

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Speaker 1: and said, that when Reagan became governor, he called Reagan's

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Speaker 1: press guy and said, I'd like to come out and

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Speaker 1: spend two or three days with the governor and then

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Speaker 1: have a chance to really interview him in depth. And

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Speaker 1: lin Na Seger said to him, you must think I'm crazy.

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Speaker 1: You're going to get thirty minutes with me in the realm,

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Speaker 1: that's it, because he understood that two or three even

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Speaker 1: with the guys brilliant as Reagan, two or three days,

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Speaker 1: you'll find five or six things that make him look

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Speaker 1: bad and there's no end. You shouldn't voluntarily do that.

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Speaker 1: So I would say, one, I don't know why they

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Speaker 1: would scheduled on Thursday. Yeah, because he's probably going to

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Speaker 1: be tired. I mean, and that's true of everybody. I mean.

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Speaker 1: Reagan once fell asleep while talking with Pope John Paul

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Speaker 1: the Second because it was his first trip to Europe

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Speaker 1: and they hadn't set aside enough time for Reagan to

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Speaker 1: rest before the meeting. And they learned from that all

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Speaker 1: every future meeting after that had a time to recover

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Speaker 1: and time to be totally fresh. Why you would take

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Speaker 1: a guy who collapsed during a debate turn around have

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Speaker 1: him do three heavy days, because remember, in between each

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Speaker 1: NADO meeting, he's talking to Democrats. He's saying, I can run,

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Speaker 1: I can do this, and so I mean he is

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Speaker 1: on a treadmill. Why you would do that makes no

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Speaker 1: sense to me.

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Speaker 2: But let's just play this out. If he has an episode,

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Speaker 2: an incident, an issue, that press conference, what's the conversation

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Speaker 2: we're having Friday morning.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you then see a renewed sense that

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Speaker 1: he has to go. And again, the real issue that

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Speaker 1: hasn't been joined is not can he survive to election day?

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Speaker 1: The real issue is if he won, can you imagine

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Speaker 1: the guy you're watching serve four years as commander in

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Speaker 1: chief and I think one or two more mistakes, you're

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Speaker 1: going to be a ninety percent of the country saying no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just And at that point, I think it's a

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Speaker 1: little hard to see how they avoid having a real

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Speaker 1: rebellion to get him off the ticket.

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Speaker 2: So, just to be clear, let's just place out for fun.

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Speaker 2: If he were to step aside voluntarily, do you agree

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Speaker 2: that Kamala Harris will be the nominee or do you

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Speaker 2: see somebody else? The the Gavin Newsom, the Gretchen Whitmer,

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Speaker 2: Josh Shapiro becoming the nominee.

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Speaker 1: I don't see, given the power structure of that party,

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Speaker 1: how you push aside a black female vice president. I

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Speaker 1: think you'd have a civil war, and I think you

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Speaker 1: would have the most loyal and most militant part of

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Speaker 1: the party go crazy. So my assumption is, and this

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Speaker 1: is why I wrote my piece on collapsing with Kamala,

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Speaker 1: because I think that when you really look at her record,

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Speaker 1: and you really look at mean, you know she's the

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Speaker 1: borders are and she's visited the border once in three

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Speaker 1: and a half years. Just take item after item, and

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Speaker 1: she is I think, much weaker than Biden. Once you're

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Speaker 1: in a real campaign.

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Speaker 2: I do too. But here's what I would just throw

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Speaker 2: at you. I keep using the baseball analogy, right Biden.

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Speaker 2: If Biden is our batter, right now, we know every

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Speaker 2: stat about and we know that he's never hit the

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Speaker 2: ball when we pay, I mean, we know we're gonna

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Speaker 2: win with Biden at the plate. Okay, That's how I

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Speaker 2: look at this. Politically, Kamala gets up to bat if

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Speaker 2: Biden has to take and she becomes the dh I

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Speaker 2: worry that the dynamic has changed and that who knows.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my point is I get all that the border,

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Speaker 2: you name it, whatever, But suddenly maybe she fires up

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Speaker 2: black women, maybe she fires up women in general. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. But here's what I know. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to deal with it. I want to deal with what

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Speaker 2: I know, the nones, and I know we can beat

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Speaker 2: Biden and that he loses the House in the Senate

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Speaker 2: with him, I would, and so that's why I keep

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Speaker 2: saying I worry about any effort on our side to

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Speaker 2: push him because I believe that Kamala will lose. There's

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Speaker 2: no question about it. For all the reasons that you enumerated. However,

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Speaker 2: I just there's X factors and I don't like X factors.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think Donald Trump agrees with you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's what he was saying on Hannity, that

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Speaker 1: you know he is quite happy to have Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: as his opponent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Speaker Gingritch, I appreciate it. I know that

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Speaker 2: you've got a cold, jet lag, a bad night.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Luckily I'm not running for president and this wasn't

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Speaker 1: a debate.

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Speaker 2: That's a beat. I always appreciate your historical wisdom and

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Speaker 2: insight political acumen. This is thank you for sharing and

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Speaker 2: being so generous with your time. As always, good to

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Speaker 2: be with you, all right, take care, all right, great

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Speaker 2: conversation with Nuke Gingritch. And remember tomorrow, I've got a

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Speaker 2: Democratic operative on the show that's going to answer this.

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Speaker 2: Democrat James Carvill's op ed in the New York Times

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Speaker 2: saying Biden's not going to be the nominee and here's

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Speaker 2: how they can go about it. I want here a

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Speaker 2: Democrat answer for that. Continue to subscribe, YouTube, Rumble, Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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Speaker 2: my Heart, wherever you get those podcasts. We'll see you

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