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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted, the Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch

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Speaker 1: hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen,

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Speaker 1: and my real life daughter Emerson Tenney.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Desperately Devoted.

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Speaker 3: Our conversation about season one, episode seven, Anything you Can Do.

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Speaker 3: We are jumping back in at an incredible place in

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Speaker 3: the story seeing of redeeming themselves while Lynette in the

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Speaker 3: park trying, is strung out in the park like and

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Speaker 3: she looks awful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true.

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Speaker 3: Felicity is committed to and playing this character would be

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Speaker 3: so well. And it is hilarious to see the kids

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Speaker 3: running around on the jungle gym and she is giving

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Speaker 3: I kept thinking of Timothy Shalome and a beautiful boy

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Speaker 3: where he is like heroin addict. But of course it's

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Speaker 3: about kids, Ady d.

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Speaker 4: But she is she's needing her fixed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she is jones ing, yes, and she shot down.

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Speaker 5: The threat at the end. Yeah. Well, when girl scouts come,

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Speaker 5: when girl Scout Clickie comes, just don't come to my door,

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Speaker 5: you know, I know, it's.

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Speaker 2: Like such a week week she could possibly leverage any

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Speaker 2: amount of power.

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Speaker 6: But it leads her into scheduling a play eight with

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Speaker 6: another neighborhood boy basically to essentially try and get some

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Speaker 6: of that child's add medication.

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty big low.

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Speaker 2: Which I have to say in this scene.

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Speaker 3: The second the scene popped up, I screamed out loud

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Speaker 3: because the boy's mom in this guest star character is

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Speaker 3: Terry Walters, who is my dad's sister in law. Oh

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Speaker 3: my gosh, I know what I obviously. I mean, I've

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Speaker 3: known her for many many years in my life and

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Speaker 3: love her. And this was in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 3: I was like, what a small world overlap. I never

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Speaker 3: knew that she was an actress, or I knew she

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Speaker 3: was an actress, but I just never knew that she

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Speaker 3: was in Desperate Housewives. And I has never come up.

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Speaker 3: And I don't even know she remembers it. It's such

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Speaker 3: a small moment. I imagine she would remember it. But I

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Speaker 3: was I was laughing out loud that this is who

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Speaker 3: is playing the character of the mom that Lenna steals

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Speaker 3: the pills gry wool.

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Speaker 2: That wild, wild, small world.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So I had a moment that I thought was

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Speaker 5: really like stop. You talk about being like stopped by

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Speaker 5: a surprise. I was stopped because I thought this might

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Speaker 5: I don't know if this is going to be relevant

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Speaker 5: to you guys, But okay, So when Rex and Bury

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Speaker 5: about what that might be like, and the Sun says,

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Speaker 5: can I live with dad?

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Speaker 2: So quickly?

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Speaker 5: And I mean you just see the world fall out

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Speaker 5: consideration that she somehow wasn't a good enough mother or

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Speaker 5: to be able to hold her son's affection, and so

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Speaker 5: that not only is her marriage falling away, but her

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Speaker 5: children are falling away too. It's really I mean really

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Speaker 5: I had to stop the TV there too because it

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Speaker 5: was and I'm really grateful. I don't I don't have

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Speaker 5: that experience with you. I think, you know, we're really close,

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Speaker 5: and but I think a lot of people do. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think I think a lot of people have. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I have a pretty distant relationship, even though I spend

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Speaker 5: a lot of my life taking care of my parents.

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Speaker 5: Do I think emotionally there is a lot of distance there.

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Speaker 5: You know. It's not that there's not a it's not

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Speaker 3: I mean, And I think that's the interesting thing also

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Speaker 3: that you don't really consider when parents get divorced, Like

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Speaker 3: the age that I was when you got divorced.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was five and a half.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you know you both you and my dad

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Speaker 5: And there's a child in their schools or maybe certain programs,

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Speaker 5: an empty nesting thing. Yeah, and I don't know. So

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Speaker 5: this scene really got me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it is hard.

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Speaker 6: It's hard to see how how as Emerson mentioned that

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Speaker 6: now that she's given this conversation a lot of thought

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Speaker 6: asks Danielle shout out to Joy, who I'm very close

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Speaker 4: But but she yeah, she's.

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Speaker 6: So great and and you know, then she says to Danielle,

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Speaker 4: And it's it's like a doubling up of we.

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Speaker 6: Not only don't you know, are not choosing you, but

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Speaker 6: for Brion that scene as well.

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Speaker 3: I just yeah, and it made me wonder about I mean,

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Speaker 5: Feels really honest, but you're right about the psychology that

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Speaker 5: once you do, I think it's I think that's my

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Speaker 6: I think, Yeah, it's interesting how separation seems to be

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Speaker 4: I had an illuminating moment in.

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Speaker 6: My life when my sister Gillian pointed out to me

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Speaker 6: that when I'm confronted with big feelings, whether that be

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Speaker 4: That I go to sleep. Oh wow, And she.

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Speaker 5: That seems like a positive tool.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's positive for my under eyeback opposite.

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Speaker 5: Right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think it's a combination of things.

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Speaker 6: I think it allows my brain, which gets really crowded

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Speaker 4: And I also think maybe the surge of.

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Speaker 5: That's so interesting. Do you have what's your Do you

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think I go to like I like

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Speaker 2: I writing a letter. I write, don't you the person?

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Speaker 3: I write a letter to the person, and sometimes it

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Speaker 2: It for the day, and then the next day, after

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Speaker 3: What part of these emotions do I actually need to

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Speaker 3: great because sometimes there isn't. Sometimes as much as you

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Speaker 3: maybe want to make someone know that they were wrong

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty wise. Emerson.

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Speaker 2: We've been building to the iconic scene that is now

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Speaker 2: a gift? Is it gift for Jiff?

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Speaker 4: I think it is Giff.

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Speaker 4: Is the peanut butter gift? Is the imaging?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Okay, well, okay, so things culminate at Saddle Ranch,

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Speaker 3: and I think it's hilarious that it's at Saddle Ranch

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Speaker 6: So we have we know that we've got Kendra, the

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Speaker 5: Now, I'm glad that we both pepper jew with that

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Speaker 2: It's really good, spy, but it is. It is great.

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Speaker 3: We have Lynette at the same time that all this

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Speaker 3: happening is throwing her dinner party that she's finally agreed

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Speaker 3: to throw. She's made the cannapas she's serving dessert. It

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Speaker 3: seems like it's.

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Speaker 2: Gone really well.

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Speaker 3: Tom finally makes his big pitch, which is to put

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Speaker 3: the advertising for his advertising brand on the side of

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Speaker 3: the shopping shopping carts, and then Lynette can't help but

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Speaker 3: pipe up from across the room. Or you could put

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Speaker 3: it on dry cleaning bags, and of course this is

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Speaker 3: the idea they all love. But I noted down this

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Speaker 3: feels so meta because Desperate Housewives used this tactic to

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Speaker 3: market the first season of the show, putting the images

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Speaker 3: on the dry cleaning bags.

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Speaker 6: Which I think we talked about in maybe in the

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Speaker 6: first pilot or sh We all agreed that that was

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Speaker 6: so brilliant yet marketing, and so do Tom's colleagues agree

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Speaker 6: that Lynnette's idea is so brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so we have so anyway, we have Lynette having

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Speaker 3: her canna pay moment that then unfortunately Tom feels like

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Speaker 3: she's stepped on his toes even though she's just trying

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Speaker 3: to do what she does well in a really honest way, and.

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Speaker 5: He almost calls her out, like he almost that something's

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Speaker 5: going on.

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Speaker 6: And then she has this line which I did take

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Speaker 6: a note of because I thought it was interesting, which

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Speaker 6: is when she's saying that she's she used to be

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Speaker 6: someone who could win at work, and she says, I

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Speaker 6: can't win where I'm at. I'm stuck in the middle.

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Speaker 6: And I think, you know, obviously, we can measure success

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Speaker 6: outside of the home in a different way, using a

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Speaker 6: different metric system than the way we measure success in

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Speaker 6: the home, and so it's tougher for her to find

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Speaker 6: something tangible to latch onto about how she's winning in

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Speaker 6: her personal life. And we obviously know now that she's

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Speaker 6: using this medication as a coping mechanism or a way

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Speaker 6: to give herself a boost, so she probably feels like

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Speaker 6: a loser, not a winner.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, well no, I think I think this is

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Speaker 5: you see this you see like people moms living their

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Speaker 5: ego and their identity through their children. You know, like

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Speaker 5: what what like what what accomplishments is are their kids having?

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Speaker 5: Or what kind of car are they driving?

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Speaker 3: Or what like?

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Speaker 5: These are the wins, but they're not really but you.

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Speaker 3: Have nothing else to hang out and they're not really

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Speaker 3: Lynette's winds because she was used to having other type

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Speaker 3: of business wins.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's a it's a it's a little like tangential.

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Speaker 5: But it is why I think we should consider paying

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Speaker 5: stay at home moms totally. You know that that should

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Speaker 5: be a salary position because part of getting a salary

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Speaker 5: is saying to you you have value, right, you have

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Speaker 5: something that you have to accomplish. You've accomplished it, and

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Speaker 5: we are recognizing that with your salary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and in our super capitalist society, you know, for

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Speaker 3: that is our super capitalist good.

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Speaker 5: But that is what it is. And to not do

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Speaker 5: that to the woman in the home that is pretty

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Speaker 5: much making everything happen and in this case, even making

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Speaker 5: the job happen. Yeah, you know, it's you, no wonder

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Speaker 5: she feels like she has to take pills.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And so.

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Speaker 3: Then yes, all this is going on we have Edie.

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Speaker 3: I just is having a drink now with the private

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Speaker 3: investigator has showed up at Saddle Ranch. You know, Susan's

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Speaker 3: icing her face. She kind of gets tipped off, maybe

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Speaker 3: by Kendra, that there's more to Mic than there seams.

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Speaker 3: And I just had to circling back quickly to the

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Speaker 3: private investigator shows up. Clearly he's closing in on Edie.

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Speaker 3: But we've gotten a line that he says to Paul

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Speaker 3: before he says five K to hurt her, ten k

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Speaker 3: to make her disappear.

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Speaker 2: And I wrote again, whoa hold hold up ten k

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Speaker 2: to kill someone? Seems really low?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but also.

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Speaker 6: Doesn't that seem I mean, look, I'm I'm missing something

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Speaker 6: because I don't remember where this is all leading, which

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Speaker 6: I'm happy about because I get to be so entertained

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Speaker 6: watching it. But it seems extreme that Paul is considering

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Speaker 6: having Edie oft.

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Speaker 5: For having the same No no, but I see, but

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Speaker 5: but he's really I think this is where you see

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Speaker 5: his deep pain and emotion. He is in this moment

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Speaker 5: holding eighty responsible for the death of his wife, right,

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Speaker 5: and so it's revenge, it's an eye to I, it's

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Speaker 5: all thatt revenge, very biblical. You you killed my wife

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Speaker 5: and I'm gonna and I'm gonna get you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But then it has the most dramatic ending and this

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Speaker 5: Yeah again, I'm going to go back to I cannot

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Speaker 5: believe how much happened in this episode. And so now

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Speaker 5: we're all finally done. Yes, that that the Gabby's mother

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Speaker 5: in law has gathered the evidence. She's gotten a picture.

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Speaker 5: She stormed in on Gabby and John, that picture of

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Speaker 5: them in bed.

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Speaker 3: Which I just have to say so pre iPhone. She

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Speaker 3: comes in with the actual physical camera to take a

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Speaker 3: picture of them having their closure sex.

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Speaker 5: Right and and get you can see Gabby is just like,

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Speaker 5: this is it. She's not even fighting it. She's taking

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Speaker 5: her fancy Louis Vuitton bag or whatever, and she's filling

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Speaker 5: it up with the most expensive things because this is it.

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Speaker 5: There's no fighting this. I'm going to just take what

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Speaker 5: I can and I'm gonna walk away.

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Speaker 2: But John is fighting it.

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Speaker 4: John chases after Onannita, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Trying to get the camera back, and Juanita runs into

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Speaker 3: the street where and she.

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Speaker 5: Is run over by none other than drunk Andrew Yeah, who.

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Speaker 6: Of course has been teed up for this by everything

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Speaker 6: going on with his parents and their marriage, and so he.

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Speaker 2: And he's just been turned away by his own dad

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Speaker 2: who says, you actually can't.

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Speaker 6: Live with me, right, And so he goes out, he

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Speaker 6: gets loaded, he drives the new car, the new bribed

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Speaker 6: car that he got, and boom, he he hits Wanita

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Speaker 6: in the middle of the street, and we are left

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Speaker 6: with paramedics there attending to Janita. And then this chilling

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Speaker 6: image of the first time we really see Brie and

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Speaker 6: Rex as a united front, and it's to cover up

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Speaker 6: this terrible accident that their son has caused. And they

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Speaker 6: stand together and close the door of that garage and

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Speaker 6: I really got.

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Speaker 5: Themselves into the house and that's where we wrap it up.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was a huge episode.

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Speaker 5: It was such a huge episode. I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 5: how could we have a lot of discipline to not

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Speaker 5: have just press play for.

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Speaker 3: Episode everything play. I cannot wait. I actually cannot wait

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Speaker 3: until next week. I'm chomping at the bend. I want

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Speaker 3: to hear everyone's question.

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Speaker 5: We can't wait to be back with you next week

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Speaker 5: at episode eight. So make sure you're keeping up and

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Speaker 5: make sure you're following and writing us in writing in,

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Speaker 5: and that's and because we're here for you, because we

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Speaker 5: are desperately devoted to you,