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Speaker 1: Before we talk about your new venture, two Way, I

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Speaker 1: thought we might catch up on some recent news around

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election. Since you're based in New York.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the New York three Congressional District special election,

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Speaker 1: which took place on Tuesday, with Tom Swasey, the Democrat one,

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Speaker 1: taking over the seat George Santos Republican health until he

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Speaker 1: was expelled from Congress. Were you surprised? What's your take

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Speaker 1: on the outcome?

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Speaker 3: Not surprised.

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Speaker 2: I think that in special elections it's always important to

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Speaker 2: not overread into anything. The basics as you know of

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Speaker 2: this district is it's a Democratic district, it's a Biden district.

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Speaker 2: A Credit candidate was well known previously it held the seat.

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Speaker 2: The Republican candidate was not well known and not a

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Speaker 2: good candidate. And the Democrats spend a ton of money,

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Speaker 2: compared to the Republican in other races. So Democrats should

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Speaker 2: have won the seat. But I think the important things

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Speaker 2: to look at are if there were a red wave,

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Speaker 2: if there was the mood of a very anti Biden mood,

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Speaker 2: and some polling in that district, private polling had Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump ahead of Joe Biden. So there's reasons to think

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Speaker 2: that there was a district ripe for the kind of

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Speaker 2: then two more things that I think are important to

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Speaker 3: On in your career.

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Speaker 2: Over the last few cycles, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 2: focus on Republican Senate recruitment failures. I think if you

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Speaker 2: the Republicans in this district, where the candidate just wasn't

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Speaker 2: some ways, but she didn't run well. And then lastly,

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Speaker 2: I think President Trump has set the Republican Party back

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Speaker 2: denouncing them. And I think he saw in that district

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Speaker 2: those are kind of the three main lessons I would

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Speaker 1: It was sort of the ironic moment that everything we'd

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And it's just a warning the party's

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Speaker 1: Everything we've seen the loss of Itta so far. He

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Speaker 1: he says, we have to consider that mister Biden quote

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Speaker 1: don't know that it has a permanent impact. A little

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Speaker 2: Totally inappropriate shades of what Jim Comey did. I think

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Speaker 2: It's just we saw it with both President Bush forty

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Speaker 2: it's Joe Biden's memory, I say, respectfully, because you use

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Speaker 3: To me. It's it's cognitive ability.

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Speaker 2: I have a horrible memory, but I think my cognitibility

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Speaker 3: The question is can he process ideas? Can he make

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Speaker 2: Memory is part of that, but I think it's too

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Speaker 2: I saw him do a book of that in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: not as substantial as some Republicans say, more substantial than

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Speaker 2: those lying on his behalf claim when they say, oh,

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Speaker 2: he's hasn't lost a step, he's every bit as good

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Speaker 2: as he was. The reason I think the Special Council

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Speaker 2: White House reporters who've been covering up for Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: to say, well, now that this intended Special Council said it,

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Speaker 2: now we can actually tell everybody sort of the truth that,

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Speaker 2: in fact, that this is a real issue. And I

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Speaker 2: think that, as you suggested, now the burden of proof

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Speaker 2: Now he's going to have to demonstrate it. And of

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Speaker 2: course I'll say, finally, the American people didn't need the

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Speaker 2: Special Counsel's report. Seventy five percent or so of the

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Speaker 2: American people can trust their own eyes and ears and

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Speaker 2: see a significant cognitive decline, and they didn't need a

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Speaker 2: Special Council's judgment to already know that and have that

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Speaker 2: be a serious threat to Joe Biden's reelection.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any serious doubts that he will be

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Speaker 1: the nominee?

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Speaker 2: I'd say the only way he won't be the nominee

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Speaker 2: has a health problem so severe that his family says, well,

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Speaker 2: he can't possibly govern the country. I also think if

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Speaker 2: par This constant speculation, which you and I discussed on

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Speaker 2: a two way the other day, is constant speculation that

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Speaker 2: Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer is going

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Speaker 2: to be the nominee. With some conventions with Drew, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't accord with reality. He wants to be president again.

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Speaker 2: He thinks he's the only Democrat who can be Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: and he thinks he's entitled to the nomination, as most

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Speaker 2: incumbent presidents do. So he's going to be the nominee,

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Speaker 2: barring one of the two ages.

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Speaker 1: We will be pleased to know that. Even this morning,

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Speaker 1: called me to say that he was certain that Barack

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Speaker 2: I hear it every day. Hear it every day. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's June, sometimes it's July. I hear it every day.

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Speaker 2: It's not true, but I hear it every day.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was delighted to know what we're going to

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Speaker 1: you because it fits so much what both of us

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Speaker 1: a lot of egg in our face if in June

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Speaker 1: she says to run.

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Speaker 3: Sure we could. But look, I can tell you this.

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Speaker 2: As much as I'm expressing almost near certainty that Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden will be the nominee barring a health issue or

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Speaker 2: something with under Biden, I am more certain that Michelle

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Speaker 2: Obama will not be the nominee under any circumstances. She

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Speaker 2: simply does not wish to be an elective office. She's

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Speaker 2: it will be someone else. It will not be Michelle Obama.

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Speaker 1: Well, and frankly, if you look at some of the

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Speaker 1: retirements in the Congress, they're expressing a similar sense of exhaustion.

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Speaker 1: Why would I spend my life going through this? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have turned politics into a combination of blood, sport

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Speaker 1: and total logjam in a way that makes it dramatically

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Speaker 1: your working assumption that Biden does run. He clearly is running.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's got a nationwide operation that inevitably Kamala

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Speaker 2: Reporting it and talking to people about it. She's not

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Speaker 1: I think that the way she's evolved, I think on

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Speaker 2: Have you spent a time with her, No, I never have.

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Speaker 3: It's the same with her. She's not nearly as bad

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Speaker 1: To draw distinction from your perspective, if she did end

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Speaker 2: As a citizen, I would hope she would pick a really,

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Speaker 3: In a productive way. I really do think that's a

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Speaker 2: She's not dumb. She's a very charming person. She just

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Speaker 2: Again, I'm not working with no labels now, but I

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Speaker 2: voters can vote for. He's on two ballots, two state

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Speaker 3: Have a ticket.

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Speaker 2: They haven't tried to name a ticket yet, and naming

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Speaker 3: They just don't.

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Speaker 2: And so the right ticket I think could win. And again,

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Speaker 1: That would require them to come in first in a

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Speaker 2: Well enough to win two hundred and seventy electoral votes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Pro ran a horrible campaign. You got nineteen percent senator vote.

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Speaker 2: He chose a veteran who'd served honorably, but a horrible

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Speaker 2: He was ahead in National Poland. And again he was

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Speaker 1: Well. I have to reopen my mind, because I respect

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Speaker 3: I've looked at a lot of data.

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Speaker 1: I believe the theoretical postb So can you imagine the personality,

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Speaker 2: Correct, And it would have to be two people who

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Speaker 2: I think they would become famous in a day, and

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Speaker 1: You remember the Minnesota governor's race which turned a third

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Speaker 3: It was now, look he's the Rock model, right.

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Speaker 2: harder for a No Label's ticket to win because a

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Speaker 2: lot of the Kennedy vote is people who don't want

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Speaker 2: to vote for Biden and Trump. So if there's no

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Speaker 2: Kennedy and if there's a No Label's ticket, I think

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Speaker 2: they'll start at twenty. It's hard to pull. If they're

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Speaker 2: not famous. They might be famous, but if they're not,

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Speaker 2: hard to pull. But I think if people just say

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Speaker 2: here's this third ticket, and you know, here's the description

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Speaker 2: of this person in that part. Again, I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: they're the favorite. I'm not saying it's effortless, but I

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Speaker 2: do believe the right ticket would have a very strong

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Speaker 2: chance to.

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Speaker 1: What in this sense of your focusing on substance rather

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Speaker 1: than litter. I was intrigued, and you caught me totally

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Speaker 1: blindsided when you came out the other week and said

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Speaker 1: that you predicted the senator Katie Britt, who is the

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Speaker 1: junior senator from Alabama, would be Trump's vice president pick.

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Speaker 1: And now they've had time to think of it for

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Speaker 1: a while.

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Speaker 3: Do you still think that more dug in than ever.

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Speaker 3: I'm going all the way with Katie Britt.

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Speaker 2: All I do When people say to me, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: not going to be Katie Britt, I said, well, you

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Speaker 2: tell me someone stronger. You know. The other names that

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Speaker 2: I hear a lot now are jd Vance, Ben Carson.

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Speaker 2: I just am happy to argue the merits of Katie

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Speaker 2: Britt as a governing partner and as someone who could

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Speaker 2: help electorally against anyone else. He's going to have the

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Speaker 2: biggest problem that he needs to solve with women. I

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Speaker 2: think that's a fact. That's going to be his biggest

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Speaker 2: electoral problem. He's going to have his big problem with

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Speaker 2: the establishment wing of the party. That's going to be

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Speaker 2: a big problem for fundraising and for media narrative. Katie

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Speaker 2: Britt solves those two better than anyone else I can name.

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Speaker 3: Finally, I always say this is about her, not her husband.

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Speaker 2: But her husband is a former professional football player, and

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Speaker 2: I believe Donald Trump will find that irresistible.

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Speaker 1: Speaking about Trump, I just was listening earlier today to

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Speaker 1: the evolving saga in Fulham County and Judge Scott mckefee,

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Speaker 1: who has apparently said pretty clearly that if it turns

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Speaker 1: out that the district attorney and her lawyer had a

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Speaker 1: relationship before the effort to go after Trump, that he

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Speaker 1: might in effect discabar both of them. That could easily

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Speaker 1: have spen this week.

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Speaker 2: That case is dead, even if they somehow skape through this,

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Speaker 2: which I doubt based on what you cited and others

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Speaker 2: have said, that case is dead. And I continue to

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Speaker 2: believe that it's true about all four cases. All four cases,

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Speaker 2: to a greater or lesser degree. These are novel legal

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Speaker 2: theories applied to unclear facts. And I just don't think

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Speaker 2: the first time we send a former president to prison

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Speaker 2: or confinement or whatever he'd get, I just don't think

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Speaker 2: it should be a novel legal theory based on uncertain facts.

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Speaker 2: And that case, in particular, bring a Rico case against him,

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Speaker 2: for some phone calls. I just think the politics of

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Speaker 2: this are abysmal, and that case, given how many defendants

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Speaker 2: there are, given that it's a Rico case, it's not

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Speaker 2: going to happen before the election, even if these two

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Speaker 2: prosecutors somehow are allowed to stand in the case. So

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Speaker 2: I'm not that interested in the cases aren't going to

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Speaker 2: happen before the election, because I'm mostly interested in these

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Speaker 2: cases as they pertain to the question of impacting.

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Speaker 3: The outcome, And if they're not happening before the election.

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Speaker 2: They're not impacting the outcome. Accept the extent that they're helping

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump because his supporters believe he's not being prosecuted

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Speaker 2: but being persecuted.

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Speaker 1: Has that surprised you If you went back to, say,

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Speaker 1: two years, and had been asked to project ahead all

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Speaker 1: of the legal things that he's been through, would you

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Speaker 1: have expected it plausible that he could go through and

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Speaker 1: actually gain strength?

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Speaker 2: Oh? That part, Yeah, that part I believe because the

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Speaker 2: complicated reasons why they've helped him. Some of it's simple,

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Speaker 2: some of it's more complicated, like the elements of it

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Speaker 2: that connect to race, the race of a prosecutor, the

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Speaker 2: race of a judge.

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Speaker 3: I think that's part of it.

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Speaker 2: But again, these people look at these cases and they say,

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Speaker 2: where's the victim, what's the actual crime? Who's been prosecuted

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Speaker 2: for this kind of thing before? And so there's a

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Speaker 2: fair amount of rational negative feeling about these prosecutions and

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Speaker 2: a rallying around the leader of a movement. You and

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Speaker 2: I have both.

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Speaker 3: Talked about this separately and together.

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Speaker 2: It's different to be the leader of a movement than

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Speaker 2: to be the nominee of your party or a president.

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Speaker 2: We haven't had in our life time very many leaders

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Speaker 2: of movements. But when the leader of your movement who

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Speaker 2: has stood up for you on economics and national security

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Speaker 2: and culture, when the leader of your movement has come

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Speaker 2: after by prosecutors aligned with the other party, yeah, of

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Speaker 2: course you're going to rally.

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Speaker 3: Of course you are.

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Speaker 2: And some of it's a little bit mystical, and some

534
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Speaker 2: of it's mechanical. That Trump people have been brilliant at

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Speaker 2: war rooming through emails and online and through President Trump's rallies,

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Speaker 2: at rallying people to say they're coming after me because

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Speaker 2: they want to come after you. And that message is emotional,

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Speaker 2: and emotion is the thing that Donald Trump has been

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Speaker 2: able to parlay into this almost decade long run that

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Speaker 2: no Democrat active now can match.

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Speaker 1: It would have been interesting to have seen Clinton at

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Speaker 1: his peak and Trump at his peak. Miil Clint was

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Speaker 1: extraordinarily effective and competent politicians.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that, But I'd like to see Trump

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Speaker 2: against Bush forty three or Trump against Obama, because there's

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Speaker 2: not a Republican or Democrat who've gone up against Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump who's close to his equal or close to those

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Speaker 2: other three guys, sort of like I want to see

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Speaker 2: Bill Russell against Michael Jordan. I want to see the

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Speaker 2: greats from different eras matched up here, and unfortunately we'll

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Speaker 2: never see it.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Obama. I'm not sure Bush forty three

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Speaker 1: was in the same league as I said that, based

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Speaker 1: on having worked in the eighty eight campaign the ninety

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Speaker 1: two campaign. The other person that would have been fascinating

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Speaker 1: was Reagan. Reagan would have seen it as a match

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Speaker 1: where he would stay at a distance and Trump would

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Speaker 1: desperately want to clinch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great, perfectly described.

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Speaker 1: I think Reagan is probably one of the greatest leaders,

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Speaker 1: certainly since FDR. His ability to understand the country, understand history,

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Speaker 1: and with a kind of style that was astonishing, which

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Speaker 1: Obama to some extent I think copied.

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Speaker 2: We'll meet for some cocktails and talking about Bush forty three.

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Speaker 2: I think his political abilities are underrated. I think he

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Speaker 2: may not be in the league with Reagan, Clinton, and Trump,

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Speaker 2: but he's underrated.

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Speaker 3: He won his nomination and reelection.

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Speaker 1: Explain, and I think it's very interesting. We've done explain

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Speaker 1: the whole concept of two Way.

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Speaker 2: So I've been trying in my whole career to come

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Speaker 2: up with journalism models that will work and for some

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Speaker 2: of the issues we've talked about earlier. To me, there's

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Speaker 2: two things that have to be true about a journalism

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Speaker 2: model for it to work.

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Speaker 3: One is it has to make money.

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Speaker 2: And the other is it has to be good for

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Speaker 2: democracy and it can't play to division. Too many of

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Speaker 2: our successful news organizations now succeed by playing to division

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Speaker 2: because they played to the red team or the blue team.

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Speaker 2: So what two way is is an attempt to succeed

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Speaker 2: as a business by bringing people together in live video

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Speaker 2: where all voices can be heard, and to have the

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Speaker 2: kind of conversations that are more sophisticated than cable. With

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Speaker 2: all due respect to my friends on cable, longer than

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Speaker 2: a cable news segment, and based on mutual understand and

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Speaker 2: learning as opposed to division. So some people say, well,

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Speaker 2: I would never have AOC on my platform because she's

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Speaker 2: two left wing, and some would say I've never had

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Speaker 2: Matt Gates on my platform because he's two MAGA. Two

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Speaker 2: Ways for everybody has both content providers and political figures

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Speaker 2: as well as an audience. So it's not a platform

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Speaker 2: for moderate centricce and independence exclusively. It's a platform for

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Speaker 2: anybody who wants to understand what's going on in the

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Speaker 2: country and share different points of view. So it's a

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Speaker 2: video platform. You come on live video and you listen

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Speaker 2: to conversations. Sometimes they'll be regularly scheduled. Sometimes they'll be

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Speaker 2: tagged to big events, so a big conversation on the

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Speaker 2: night of the State of the Union or the night

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Speaker 2: of the Republican Convention. And then sometimes they'll be based

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Speaker 2: on breaking news. And if you're a member of Two Ways,

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Speaker 2: you get an email saying, you know, a Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: justice is just announced retirement.

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Speaker 3: What's going to happen next?

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Speaker 2: And the idea is to convene people about politics broadly defined,

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Speaker 2: not just elections and exit poll data. And things like that,

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Speaker 2: but healthcare and trade and everything else. Fun vibrant, sophisticated

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Speaker 2: conversations where people who don't normally have access to talk

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Speaker 2: to people like you get a chance to talk to

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Speaker 2: people like you and listen to you have a conversation

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Speaker 2: with others that is again more sophisticated than is normally available.

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Speaker 1: People can just go to your website.

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Speaker 2: They should go to two Way the number two Way,

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Speaker 2: two Way dot tv sign up and eventually we're just

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Speaker 2: now launching. We're doing basically pilots of different sorts, but

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Speaker 2: when we're up and running, people will be notified by

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Speaker 2: looking at the app, or looking at the website or

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Speaker 2: buy an email what events are coming up that day,

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Speaker 2: that week, and then you simply log on. Right now,

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Speaker 2: we're doing them through Zoom. Eventually it'll be through the app.

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Speaker 2: You just log on and you're part of the conversation.

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Speaker 2: You can listen, you can ask questions, you can make comments,

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Speaker 2: and again, it will be a series of programs of episodes.

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Speaker 2: Some will be daily, some will be weekly, some will

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Speaker 2: be based on breaking news or special events.

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Speaker 3: But the idea will.

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Speaker 2: Be you can watch from anywhere, you can participate from anywhere,

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Speaker 2: and you can then be able to watch them video

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Speaker 2: and demand. There'll be some text content around them, like newsletters.

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Speaker 2: But the heart of it is bringing people together for

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Speaker 2: sophisticated conversations that they can just log on and they

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Speaker 2: can listen passively. But the reason it's called two way

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Speaker 2: is for two reasons. One is two way conversations. Some

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Speaker 2: of the most famous and popular creators in the country,

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Speaker 2: whether they're musicians or politicians or writers, they don't really

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Speaker 2: have two way conversations on a regular basis with their

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Speaker 2: fans and people who are interested in their ideas. They

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Speaker 2: might run into somebody at a restaurant and have a

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Speaker 2: brief conversation. But the two way is what makes us different.

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Speaker 2: If you watch cable news, it's one way. If you

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Speaker 2: read somebody on Twitter, it's one way. This is two

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Speaker 2: way conversation. And the other reason is it's all voices.

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Speaker 2: It's not just left wing voices or writing voices. It's

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Speaker 2: all voices, and that those two things will distinguish us

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Speaker 2: from others where the conversations are all one way and

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Speaker 2: they tend to be not legitimately letting all voices be heard.

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Speaker 1: In addition to two way, you have of course, your

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Speaker 1: wide world news newsletter, which I cherish and think is

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Speaker 1: a remarkable product. And you have a concierge service which

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Speaker 1: really does bring together, in some zoom conversations, just some

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Speaker 1: of the most amazing people in American politics. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm astonished at year Arrange.

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Speaker 2: It's really one of the things I'm proudiced of that

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Speaker 2: I've done in my career. And it's a big part

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Speaker 2: of the magic of it is the generosity of you

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Speaker 2: and other leading Republican voices and Democratic voices. Some people

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Speaker 2: will have heard of and some not, but curate it.

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Speaker 2: So it's a very smart group of people, and it's

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