WEBVTT - Crime is a Word that Begins a Sentence 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.600 Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Real 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.799 Time Crime. I'm one of your hosts, Leah Lamar, and 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.320 today I have with me my wonderful co host. Excuse 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:26.279 me why I take a sip of water, have some nuts. 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:29.800 I'm not looking at the zoom. Otherwise I would have 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:34.800 just kept talking. But wow, that happened, and that was 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:39.280 sometimes Dmitri. Hello, social suits, welcome back. We're happy to 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.120 be here. Today. We're gonna be discussing the Drako the 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:47.000 Ruler murder. Ali Ga, why did I do that? I'm 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.440 We're you know, Teddy. I gotta be honest. You really 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:53.040 set the bar high today. I like to really come 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:57.400 in hot. Yeah. We'll also be discussing allegations against Chris 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.480 No and then a truck driver receiving a d and 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.720 ten years in prison because a hundred wasn't enough. So 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:09.160 beyond it's it's unbelievable. All right, Well, let's dig in. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.840 I think we should start with Chris. Know we're about 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.840 to talk about something that is potentially very triggering for 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:22.399 a large group of people. So if the R word 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.000 is triggering to you, I would skip ahead probably twenty 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:32.120 minutes and anything having to do with sexual assault or abuse. 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.759 So this is an pending crime. No criminal activity has 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:43.400 been uh stated yet per se that is correct. Nothing 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.880 nothing has there's no UM. I don't know what am 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.120 I saying. I don't know, but I do know that 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:54.480 he used to live in my building, my old apartment building. Yeah, 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.280 and it was like in the height of him, you know, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.240 being on sex in the city and when like would 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.840 have screening parties and we would all drink and called 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:04.920 down to the front desk and asked to be connected 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:12.560 to his apartment and he um, he never never, he didn't. 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.240 He didn't want to come and pick up some babes. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.119 That's so odd. We'd be like, hey, it's take from 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:26.919 blot o to house. No, yep, that's my experience. So 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.600 did you ever witness him bringing lots of different women 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.000 into his apartment? I actually never saw him was another 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.680 human my entire time living there. Like he was always 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.800 by himself. This is you know, obviously way pre pandemic. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.480 But we'd see him at the pool, we'd see him whatever, 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.960 and he was always by himself. However, now, what are 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:49.919 they up to? Three slash four women? It's three slash 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:55.080 four And for everyone who's unaware of Christnas. He's a 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.200 actor known for his roles in NYPD Detective Mike Logan 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.480 on Lawn or Order for five years. He was big 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:04.640 on Sex in the City. I think that's his most 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:09.600 notable role for six years, and Peter Floric on The 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:14.840 Good Wife for seven years. So as of North stars 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.200 in the revival of The Equalizer which was on CBS, 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.560 and he appears and just like that, which is the 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:25.279 revival of Sex in the City on HBO. And obviously 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.160 I'm not gonna give any spoilers, but I'm sure a 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.720 lot of you already know what has happened in that 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.760 show thus far with him. And we do know that 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.320 the ladies of Sex in the City have come forward 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.800 to stand with anyone who may have been assaulted. We 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.119 don't know whether or not the assaults are true, yet 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:50.080 I tend to believe women. And so before I put 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.440 my two cents on it, does anyone have anything else 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:56.440 they want to say? No? I mean I think that 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:02.120 even though these alleged crimes happened so long ago, people 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:06.000 were swift to act on this afterwards. I mean, Peloton 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.760 did an ad that was maybe up what was it 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.480 a day m hm? With him and Ryan Reynolds that 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:17.719 they pulled immediately. UM, And I know all the allegations 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.800 came out pretty much right after the premiere of and 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:25.160 just like that on HBO. Correct. So two women came 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:30.200 forward and then a third woman just came forward. Go on, Teddy, sorry, 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:31.920 now you go ahead. I was gonna say. One of 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.240 the alleged victims, who a lot of them are using 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.800 monikers at the moment, Her name is Zoe. She did 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:44.200 a Hollywood Reporter profile and it said that Um, the actor, 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:48.800 allegedly raped her from behind in two four after they 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.080 met at a high profile l A event. And then 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:56.400 a second woman, also a moniker, named Lily, accused him 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.320 of misconduct as well. She said that they met in 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.680 the New York City nightclub in and then she said 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.840 that the actor invited her back to his apartment after 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:12.160 a night of drinking and allegedly also Um had sexual 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:16.560 conduct that was non consensual. And then one day later, 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.640 a third alleged victim came forward, telling The Daily Beast 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.760 that she was sexually assaulted by him while working as 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.240 a hostess and lounge singer in New York's at De 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:30.880 Marino Restaurant when she was just eighteen. Sonath has been 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.320 denying all the claims, saying that everything against him is 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:39.560 completely false and that the stories are all untrue, and 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.400 he is restating that no always means Now, I think 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:49.040 he said that all the the all those things were 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.360 consensual except one. He's I think he even said he 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.480 doesn't know who that person is. Yeah, he said he's 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:58.039 he's never even heard of his third accuser. And do 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.599 we believe that, Well, there are people that definitely do. 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.400 I mean, he's already been dropped by a three arts agency. 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.640 His twelve million dollar deal to buy his tequila brand 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:13.120 was also canceled. Um, which is fine because I don't 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:17.760 need a Chris No tequila is enough. I mean that 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.200 would be that would be like Cosby coming out with 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:25.520 a sleeping peel like we're good. Yeah, well now that 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:29.919 you do say that, um, Cosby, there is a tie 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:35.200 in because Chris Not used to be tied to Beverly Johnson. 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:41.000 And since all of these allegations came out, then all 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:45.240 these national enquir and old reports came forward from Beverly Johnson, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.400 who also was one of the first people to come 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:53.400 out against Cosby. And then there was even another person. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.400 I don't want to involve just another person that I 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.640 don't know, but there was another person involved that she 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:03.560 also accused uh trying to kill her, like she said 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:07.880 with Chris Oath, which this is a lot. It was 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:12.680 interesting because apparently the first two women both tried to 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:17.520 um bring the story to light at separate times before this, 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.520 and both of them also said, well, they were like, 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.680 we don't know how or where to connect with other survivors. 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.560 And it's interesting because it's usually what we've seen in 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.840 the Me Too movement is that it's usually never just 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:36.080 one person is sexually assaulted by someone. It's usually that 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:42.200 they have assaulted many people, and and then and then 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.120 how do you connect with each other unless the story breaks? 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.800 And how do you exactly like, how do you get 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.560 the attention? I mean because I was I was on 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.800 a group chext with my girlfriends. We just because we 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.680 all watched sex in the City together, you know, and 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.040 we're like we want you know, as your childhood, like 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.480 watch as a and you want to believe that big 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.480 is innocent, but then you also want to believe women 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.280 Like one of the questions that I had for them 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.040 is like, I I'm confused why somebody would go to 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.080 the Hollywood Reporter to share this and somebody's like, teddy dah, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.119 it's because they've already tried other avenues and it hasn't 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.440 gone anywhere for them to get that. I thought it 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.760 was interesting that both women said that they were raped 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.040 from behind by him, and that they didn't speak with 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.480 each other about it, and that two different people went 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.360 to the Hollywood Reporter without knowing about the other about 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:36.600 the other. My philosophy is too in this sense, like 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.040 you said, is to always believe the women and um, 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.520 you know, and that's that's just the way you I 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.600 think you have to start. And if, by chance, if 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.960 something comes down the pike that shows that that was 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.080 false where they were innocent, then an apologies due. But 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.160 I don't think you can come out and just defend 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.559 a guy because he was on a show or whatever 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.760 it is. And that's why I thought you guys you 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.160 mentioned it. But I thought the three girls from in 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.959 the City releasing a joint statement was was kind of 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.400 a big deal because I'm sure people wanted to know 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.200 what they thought, and they seemed to have taken that 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:10.880 that same thing. Did you guys have it? Do you 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.640 want to read it or I have it here if 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:18.400 you want, but go ahead to Cynthia next and Sarah, 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.840 Jessica Parker and Chris and David said, we are deeply 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.200 saddened to hear the allegations against Chris Knows. We support 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.120 the women who have come forward and shared their painful experiences. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.600 We know it must be a very difficult thing to do, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.480 and we commend them for it. So it seems they're 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:37.240 taking that path as well. It's interesting because I was 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.960 reading about the second woman who came forward and she 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:45.679 said that she said no repeatedly, it was very painful, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.320 and there was blood on her shirt. There was blood 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.560 on her shirt, and she said, you have a wife 0:09:51.600 --> 0:10:00.000 and a daughter, and that Chris allegedly said monogamy isn't real. Uh, 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.959 I mean, and I mean a rumor has I mean, 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:09.839 who knows, but that his wife has moved out. So 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.600 if that's the case, or they've split up or whatever 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.720 it may be. But if that is the case, she 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:21.760 is Also It's interesting because I I can't imagine sticking 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:28.200 by someone who's being accused of sexual assault. Yeah, but 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.000 I also know relationships are complicated. I don't know. I 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.480 mean this has just been happening in Hollywood over the 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.840 last four years, and it's very interesting to see the 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:41.240 relationship dynamic that come after someone has been accused of 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:46.000 sexual assaults. I don't know. I mean, I think even 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.079 when Beverly Johnson when the when the cops were called 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:50.920 and he was brought in and she decided not to 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.360 press charges with what was written up was that she 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.320 didn't press charges because she saw the good side in him, 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.880 which I think is you know, can be common and 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.440 what happens when you're being abused or raped or in 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:09.360 some sort of domestic violent situation, and it's just scary. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:14.120 And it also it makes me think about some of 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.000 the situation the decisions that I made when I was 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.840 younger that weren't the smartest decisions and that could have 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:26.920 ended much worse. I mean, I there was a time, 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.560 like I mean, not to make this ever about me, 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.640 but like that was, you know, twenty years old, went 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.319 to a nightclub met an actor was in awe by 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.199 the whole situation. He was with another actor. They were 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:44.160 both you know, names that we were aware of, and 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:45.720 they were like, you want to come to an after 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:50.080 party at our house and get there and after parties, 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:54.040 just me and my friend, and they never forced us 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.199 to do anything, but they made it very clear why 0:11:56.280 --> 0:12:02.880 we were there. And you have all these things like 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.800 the next day waking up and being like, I really 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.880 put myself in a dangerous situation. Why because I thought 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.160 this guy was cool or he was famous or what 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.880 you know, Like yeah, and luckily they weren't the type 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.520 that that forced anything. But that same situation happens to people, 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.840 and and it doesn't end like that. I do think that, 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.160 you know, when it comes to abuse, if you're in 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.920 a cycle of abuse, you tend to try to make 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.240 yourself feel better about it. It's like, oh, well, it 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.600 could be worse. He could have X, Y Z. At 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.840 least I don't have any bruises on my body, you know, 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.920 at least he didn't hit me. At least he didn't. 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:47.680 And it's like that becomes a very slippery slope. But yeah, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.840 I think I think I always tend to believe women. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.920 Of course, in a lot of me two cases, I 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.880 think there were some where the line isn't as clear, 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:06.280 and these seem like very clear allegations. But again it's 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:12.360 not a crime yet. There has been no um at 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.880 court date, there's no charges. So right now all we 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.679 have our allegations and I guess we'll see how it 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:24.480 all plays out. And you know, we're thinking about all 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.280 the people that have been affected in this, from the 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:32.480 women that potentially are allegedly were affected to also his kid, 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:37.800 his child, his wife. You know, it's interesting because a 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.600 lot of the women also discussed how they were enamored 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:42.640 because it was the height of sex in the city 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.200 and it it oh my god, it's Mr Big, you know. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.680 And he used to leave voicemails on one of the 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.160 women's phones and even her boss would listen to them, 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.719 and I could see that being very intoxicating. And and 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.200 I don't mean this in a negative way, but you know, 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.480 I think some people do get really star struck. Yeah, 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.200 no one's to blame for that, you know, it's it 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:12.280 just happens. Um. I just think that, you know, when 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.440 you're a man in a position of power, when you 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:19.360 take advantage of women knowingly because of that, that's this 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.920 is what ultimately is allegedly a predator, which is which 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.240 is obviously it's not this is not good that any 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.080 of us happened, but if there's something good to come 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:28.840 from it, is to that we would like we said, 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.920 we don't know that this is this is supposedly like 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.840 it's a crime yet, right, It's still evolving. But the 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.160 fact of the matter is it's still stuff that people 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.520 can learn from and they can say. People can hear 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.160 this story and think, Okay, well, I shouldn't just trust 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.000 someone because they're on my TV. Yeah, I shouldn't just 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.200 go to somebody's apartment because I recognize them from a 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:54.120 show or because I'm enamored by the fact that they're famous. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.720 It doesn't make them good people. Can we tack on 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:09.680 executive producers and agents and managers and studio network and 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:14.520 and any CEO and presidents. I just wanted to add 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:18.600 a couple other names the list. Ah wow, this is 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.600 this is nice and depressing to start well, I also 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.080 do want to say for any ladies who might have 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.440 the question of, well, how am I supposed to safely 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.600 meet up with people? How do I weed people out? 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:33.040 Something that I've learned through trial and error is I 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:37.720 always make it clear that it's not a date ahead 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.800 of time, so if anything gets uncomfortable, Um, it was 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:45.680 already clear in text that I'm just there for business, 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.320 and I leave when I get uncomfortable. And then the 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.800 other thing is I usually ask ahead of time when 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.800 someone asks to meet me what's the agenda? I want 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.400 to know why they want to meet up with me. 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:03.720 And I learned that from Barbara Corkran, who is incredible. Um, 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.600 if you guys ever watched Shark Tank, Barbara's so sharp 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:08.640 and she really has a shark. She's incredible, and she's 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.440 always ask what's the agenda? Because my time is too 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.160 valuable and too precious to just meet up with a 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.240 random guy because he has a crush on me and 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.480 he was too insecure to actually ask him on a 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.600 date because he thought I would say no. So, ladies, 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.200 never get yourself in the situation where you've got a 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.120 bait and switch where you think you're going to talk 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.280 about business, but it turns out to be a date 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.640 and never fun. Never fun, So always ask what's on 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:40.640 the agenda? Very good advice. Uh, And shall we take 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.840 a break and come back with the other stuffy, Let's 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.920 take a little break. I love a break for us 0:16:45.520 --> 0:17:03.600 the RB and we're back from our real time crime. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.439 Hello crime heads. We still never really figured out a 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.840 name for everyone? Did we think social sluts was fun. 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.280 I like sexy sluts. I don't know after what topic 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.520 we just discussed that sexy sluts is an appropriate name 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:22.560 for I'm gonna I'm gonna backtrack. I'm gonna backtrack. Let's go. Yeah, 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.719 crime heads, I don't know, Okay, moving on. So I 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:31.760 think it's time to discuss our truck driver who killed 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.480 four people and was sentenced to a hundred and ten 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.400 years in prison. Do you want to take this one? Okay? 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:40.920 First pronounced the name for me, so I don't mess 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:46.240 it up. Is it? Ro Hell Aguilera Maderas is the 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.080 driver who crashed an out of control semi truck and 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:53.640 just stop traffic in two thousand nineteen. He was He 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.680 was twenty three years old at the time, past one 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.159 of Colorado's runway truck ramp after losing the brakes on 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:03.080 his commercial via goal as he descended onto this I seventy. 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:07.000 He killed four people and injured several others. The crash 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:12.359 damaged or destroyed twenty eight vehicles. He was convicted of 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.920 twenty seven counts, including vehicular homicide. A judge in Jefferson 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.320 County sentenced him to one and ten years in prisons. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.439 Four counts of vehicular homicides, six counts of assault in 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:28.399 the first degree extreme indifference, ten counts of attempt to 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.880 commit assault in the first degree, two counts of vehicle 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.919 two counts of vehicular assault reckless one count of reckless driving, 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:42.480 four counts of careless driving causing death. Since this happened, 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.200 since he was sentenced to the hundred and ten years, 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.240 more than four million people have signed a petition on 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.919 change dot org asking the governor Jared Paulis to grant 0:18:53.080 --> 0:19:00.199 clemency or commute truck driver rogals prison, sitnals so and 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:06.280 o J walks free it. Here's the thing. Obviously there 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:11.000 were mistakes made. However, he wasn't texting, he wasn't drinking, 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.840 he wasn't on drugs. This is all confirmed. A hundred 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.600 and a hundred and ten years for a twenty three 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.600 year old man who has a child, who was not 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:29.960 doing anything to like alter his driving ability. It is 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.840 obscene to me. I think also the fact that both 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:37.639 sides agree that his breaks went out. It's like this 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.520 person is not at fault. He did make some mistakes, 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.520 which is which is why they gave him a hundred 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:48.399 and ten years, and apparently in Colorado, you can't do 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.800 concurrent sentences. They have to be consecutive, which is why 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.320 it's a hundred and ten years. And I guess the 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.719 question is how long is one person's life worth? And 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.080 so they did four life sentences back to back to 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:07.359 back to back essentially. But so he missed he missed 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:12.240 one of the runaway truck ramps, and that would have 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.200 been a way to help him prevent hitting anyone else. 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.480 But in his testimony, he was saying, it's like if 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.399 you're in a panic and you've never been in this 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:26.800 situation before, you're probably in tunnel vision. Yeah, it's not 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.879 like he was malicious. No, he was busy swerving in 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.359 and out of cars, trying not to hit anyone. And 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.680 then he said that he saw another truck in the shoulder, 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.920 which is that's where he wanted to stay. He said 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:39.240 he was just going to try to stay in the 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.640 shoulder and that there was a truck up ahead, so 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.119 he thought maybe if he smashed into it, it would 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:50.159 slow down his vehicle. But then I guess that is 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:54.280 another point of contention because they realized if he smashed 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:56.560 into that larger truck, he probably would have died and 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:01.200 killed himself, and so because he was not willing to 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:06.679 commit suicide, that's why they're saying that he had malicious 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.560 intent because he was willing to put other people in 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.800 danger before himself. But I don't know that he knew 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.639 how it was going to end. Like I mean, I agree, 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:18.639 I don't want to kill myself either, but it doesn't 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:20.080 mean that all of a sudden I want to hurt 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.880 other people or kill other people. Know, And they're saying 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:24.399 that there are a couple of maneuvers you can do 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:29.000 if your truck uh loses breaks or there's an incident. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.520 You can try to lay the truck down on its side, 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.320 which apparently is a very difficult move to do. I 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.439 think that would I mean, making like a very sharp 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.080 turn and then just having it fall over. Um, you 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.640 could also run it into the guardrail. I mean, these 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:52.520 are all right, and and let's be honest, these don't 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.240 really seem like tactics you learn how to do by 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.639 actually practicing them. You probably just read them in a textbook. 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:04.320 So if you've never done it before and your brain 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:06.680 goes blank, this is a lot. This is exactly why 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.200 when a lot of people hydroplane, they get into accidents 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.879 because they've never experienced hydroplaning. They've just read about it. 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:15.920 For those people who don't know what hydroplanning is, it's 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:18.359 when there's water on the road and your car skids 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:24.000 and you lose complete um a steering ability. So everyone 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:28.320 in Los Angeles when it drizzles, which is which is? 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.199 Which is funny? That for when you get a driver's license, right, 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:33.360 they take you on some back road where there's park 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:35.760 cars and they have you parallel park. That's not where 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:37.919 the accidents happen. The accidents happen when you drive it. 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:41.520 So maybe people should be a little more versed in 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:45.640 the situations that they may have to handle. Yeah, these 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:50.040 boulevard I mean also the fact that there's now a 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:55.960 hashtag no trucks to Colorado, like all everybody refusing to 0:22:56.359 --> 0:23:02.359 drive in Colorado to stand by him, show how over 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:06.600 the top this sentences for what happened. Apparently there are 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.760 a ton of truck drivers blocking off the roads to Colorado. 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:15.200 They've all just complete there. They're they're basically not rioting, protesting. 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:20.120 And the little the little girl, one of the little girls, 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:24.000 one of the people who was killed. Unfortunately, she said, 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:29.280 I won't have my dad, but hopefully this is the 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:35.000 person who killed my father will have his son. And 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:40.360 even then the judge said he it was completely out 0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.800 of his hands and he was mandatory to give this sentence. 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.280 But now there's a petition that has over four million 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.920 people on change dot org and apparently changed dot org 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:54.440 said it was their largest petition this year, and it's 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:59.800 asking Colorado Governor Jared Polis to grant clemency for Rohell 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:05.280 and his prison sentence. I think that you know this. 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:07.840 This has been going on for a while because the 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:12.600 petition was created three years ago, but the trial just 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.440 came to a head. Apparently he didn't accept a plea deal. 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:17.919 There was a plea bargain on the table and he 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:22.080 didn't take it, and then the worst thing imagina will happen. 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.520 He got a hue years and you can see in 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.720 his testimony he's sobbing. He's like, I wish it was me. 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:30.280 I wish every day it was me. I can't believe 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:32.800 why why did they die and I lived? You know, 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.600 he has survivors guilt. It's clear that it was an 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.200 accident and he panicked and made some poor choices that 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:40.920 could happen to anyone, Well, you said it yourself. He's 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:43.280 twenty three years old and he made mistakes. He wasn't 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.200 on drugs, he wasn't drunk, he wasn't being reckless. It's 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.920 like years for for somebody that a young kid that 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:53.440 made a mistake, like and not even like other people say, 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:55.600 like I made mistakes, I went drinking driving. That's not 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:59.480 even this. And to that judge, I say, if if 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.480 this the the last few years have taught us anything, 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:04.840 don't give me the it's I'm unfortunately my hands of time. 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:08.600 It's mandatory that I do this. Nobody does anything that 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:10.639