Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Real
Speaker 1: Time Crime. I'm one of your hosts, Leah Lamar, and
Speaker 1: today I have with me my wonderful co host. Excuse
Speaker 1: me why I take a sip of water, have some nuts.
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at the zoom. Otherwise I would have
Speaker 1: just kept talking. But wow, that happened, and that was
Speaker 1: sometimes Dmitri. Hello, social suits, welcome back. We're happy to
Speaker 1: be here. Today. We're gonna be discussing the Drako the
Speaker 1: Ruler murder. Ali Ga, why did I do that? I'm
Speaker 1: We're you know, Teddy. I gotta be honest. You really
Speaker 1: set the bar high today. I like to really come
Speaker 1: in hot. Yeah. We'll also be discussing allegations against Chris
Speaker 1: No and then a truck driver receiving a d and
Speaker 1: ten years in prison because a hundred wasn't enough. So
Speaker 1: beyond it's it's unbelievable. All right, Well, let's dig in.
Speaker 1: I think we should start with Chris. Know we're about
Speaker 1: to talk about something that is potentially very triggering for
Speaker 1: a large group of people. So if the R word
Speaker 1: is triggering to you, I would skip ahead probably twenty
Speaker 1: minutes and anything having to do with sexual assault or abuse.
Speaker 1: So this is an pending crime. No criminal activity has
Speaker 1: been uh stated yet per se that is correct. Nothing
Speaker 1: nothing has there's no UM. I don't know what am
Speaker 1: I saying. I don't know, but I do know that
Speaker 1: he used to live in my building, my old apartment building. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was like in the height of him, you know,
Speaker 1: being on sex in the city and when like would
Speaker 1: have screening parties and we would all drink and called
Speaker 1: down to the front desk and asked to be connected
Speaker 1: to his apartment and he um, he never never, he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to come and pick up some babes.
Speaker 1: That's so odd. We'd be like, hey, it's take from
Speaker 1: blot o to house. No, yep, that's my experience. So
Speaker 1: did you ever witness him bringing lots of different women
Speaker 1: into his apartment? I actually never saw him was another
Speaker 1: human my entire time living there. Like he was always
Speaker 1: by himself. This is you know, obviously way pre pandemic.
Speaker 1: But we'd see him at the pool, we'd see him whatever,
Speaker 1: and he was always by himself. However, now, what are
Speaker 1: they up to? Three slash four women? It's three slash
Speaker 1: four And for everyone who's unaware of Christnas. He's a
Speaker 1: actor known for his roles in NYPD Detective Mike Logan
Speaker 1: on Lawn or Order for five years. He was big
Speaker 1: on Sex in the City. I think that's his most
Speaker 1: notable role for six years, and Peter Floric on The
Speaker 1: Good Wife for seven years. So as of North stars
Speaker 1: in the revival of The Equalizer which was on CBS,
Speaker 1: and he appears and just like that, which is the
Speaker 1: revival of Sex in the City on HBO. And obviously
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give any spoilers, but I'm sure a
Speaker 1: lot of you already know what has happened in that
Speaker 1: show thus far with him. And we do know that
Speaker 1: the ladies of Sex in the City have come forward
Speaker 1: to stand with anyone who may have been assaulted. We
Speaker 1: don't know whether or not the assaults are true, yet
Speaker 1: I tend to believe women. And so before I put
Speaker 1: my two cents on it, does anyone have anything else
Speaker 1: they want to say? No? I mean I think that
Speaker 1: even though these alleged crimes happened so long ago, people
Speaker 1: were swift to act on this afterwards. I mean, Peloton
Speaker 1: did an ad that was maybe up what was it
Speaker 1: a day m hm? With him and Ryan Reynolds that
Speaker 1: they pulled immediately. UM, And I know all the allegations
Speaker 1: came out pretty much right after the premiere of and
Speaker 1: just like that on HBO. Correct. So two women came
Speaker 1: forward and then a third woman just came forward. Go on, Teddy, sorry,
Speaker 1: now you go ahead. I was gonna say. One of
Speaker 1: the alleged victims, who a lot of them are using
Speaker 1: monikers at the moment, Her name is Zoe. She did
Speaker 1: a Hollywood Reporter profile and it said that Um, the actor,
Speaker 1: allegedly raped her from behind in two four after they
Speaker 1: met at a high profile l A event. And then
Speaker 1: a second woman, also a moniker, named Lily, accused him
Speaker 1: of misconduct as well. She said that they met in
Speaker 1: the New York City nightclub in and then she said
Speaker 1: that the actor invited her back to his apartment after
Speaker 1: a night of drinking and allegedly also Um had sexual
Speaker 1: conduct that was non consensual. And then one day later,
Speaker 1: a third alleged victim came forward, telling The Daily Beast
Speaker 1: that she was sexually assaulted by him while working as
Speaker 1: a hostess and lounge singer in New York's at De
Speaker 1: Marino Restaurant when she was just eighteen. Sonath has been
Speaker 1: denying all the claims, saying that everything against him is
Speaker 1: completely false and that the stories are all untrue, and
Speaker 1: he is restating that no always means Now, I think
Speaker 1: he said that all the the all those things were
Speaker 1: consensual except one. He's I think he even said he
Speaker 1: doesn't know who that person is. Yeah, he said he's
Speaker 1: he's never even heard of his third accuser. And do
Speaker 1: we believe that, Well, there are people that definitely do.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's already been dropped by a three arts agency.
Speaker 1: His twelve million dollar deal to buy his tequila brand
Speaker 1: was also canceled. Um, which is fine because I don't
Speaker 1: need a Chris No tequila is enough. I mean that
Speaker 1: would be that would be like Cosby coming out with
Speaker 1: a sleeping peel like we're good. Yeah, well now that
Speaker 1: you do say that, um, Cosby, there is a tie
Speaker 1: in because Chris Not used to be tied to Beverly Johnson.
Speaker 1: And since all of these allegations came out, then all
Speaker 1: these national enquir and old reports came forward from Beverly Johnson,
Speaker 1: who also was one of the first people to come
Speaker 1: out against Cosby. And then there was even another person.
Speaker 1: I don't want to involve just another person that I
Speaker 1: don't know, but there was another person involved that she
Speaker 1: also accused uh trying to kill her, like she said
Speaker 1: with Chris Oath, which this is a lot. It was
Speaker 1: interesting because apparently the first two women both tried to
Speaker 1: um bring the story to light at separate times before this,
Speaker 1: and both of them also said, well, they were like,
Speaker 1: we don't know how or where to connect with other survivors.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because it's usually what we've seen in
Speaker 1: the Me Too movement is that it's usually never just
Speaker 1: one person is sexually assaulted by someone. It's usually that
Speaker 1: they have assaulted many people, and and then and then
Speaker 1: how do you connect with each other unless the story breaks?
Speaker 1: And how do you exactly like, how do you get
Speaker 1: the attention? I mean because I was I was on
Speaker 1: a group chext with my girlfriends. We just because we
Speaker 1: all watched sex in the City together, you know, and
Speaker 1: we're like we want you know, as your childhood, like
Speaker 1: watch as a and you want to believe that big
Speaker 1: is innocent, but then you also want to believe women
Speaker 1: Like one of the questions that I had for them
Speaker 1: is like, I I'm confused why somebody would go to
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Reporter to share this and somebody's like, teddy dah,
Speaker 1: it's because they've already tried other avenues and it hasn't
Speaker 1: gone anywhere for them to get that. I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting that both women said that they were raped
Speaker 1: from behind by him, and that they didn't speak with
Speaker 1: each other about it, and that two different people went
Speaker 1: to the Hollywood Reporter without knowing about the other about
Speaker 1: the other. My philosophy is too in this sense, like
Speaker 1: you said, is to always believe the women and um,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's that's just the way you I
Speaker 1: think you have to start. And if, by chance, if
Speaker 1: something comes down the pike that shows that that was
Speaker 1: false where they were innocent, then an apologies due. But
Speaker 1: I don't think you can come out and just defend
Speaker 1: a guy because he was on a show or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. And that's why I thought you guys you
Speaker 1: mentioned it. But I thought the three girls from in
Speaker 1: the City releasing a joint statement was was kind of
Speaker 1: a big deal because I'm sure people wanted to know
Speaker 1: what they thought, and they seemed to have taken that
Speaker 1: that same thing. Did you guys have it? Do you
Speaker 1: want to read it or I have it here if
Speaker 1: you want, but go ahead to Cynthia next and Sarah,
Speaker 1: Jessica Parker and Chris and David said, we are deeply
Speaker 1: saddened to hear the allegations against Chris Knows. We support
Speaker 1: the women who have come forward and shared their painful experiences.
Speaker 1: We know it must be a very difficult thing to do,
Speaker 1: and we commend them for it. So it seems they're
Speaker 1: taking that path as well. It's interesting because I was
Speaker 1: reading about the second woman who came forward and she
Speaker 1: said that she said no repeatedly, it was very painful,
Speaker 1: and there was blood on her shirt. There was blood
Speaker 1: on her shirt, and she said, you have a wife
Speaker 1: and a daughter, and that Chris allegedly said monogamy isn't real. Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I mean a rumor has I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows, but that his wife has moved out. So
Speaker 1: if that's the case, or they've split up or whatever
Speaker 1: it may be. But if that is the case, she
Speaker 1: is Also It's interesting because I I can't imagine sticking
Speaker 1: by someone who's being accused of sexual assault. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I also know relationships are complicated. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean this has just been happening in Hollywood over the
Speaker 1: last four years, and it's very interesting to see the
Speaker 1: relationship dynamic that come after someone has been accused of
Speaker 1: sexual assaults. I don't know. I mean, I think even
Speaker 1: when Beverly Johnson when the when the cops were called
Speaker 1: and he was brought in and she decided not to
Speaker 1: press charges with what was written up was that she
Speaker 1: didn't press charges because she saw the good side in him,
Speaker 1: which I think is you know, can be common and
Speaker 1: what happens when you're being abused or raped or in
Speaker 1: some sort of domestic violent situation, and it's just scary.
Speaker 1: And it also it makes me think about some of
Speaker 1: the situation the decisions that I made when I was
Speaker 1: younger that weren't the smartest decisions and that could have
Speaker 1: ended much worse. I mean, I there was a time,
Speaker 1: like I mean, not to make this ever about me,
Speaker 1: but like that was, you know, twenty years old, went
Speaker 1: to a nightclub met an actor was in awe by
Speaker 1: the whole situation. He was with another actor. They were
Speaker 1: both you know, names that we were aware of, and
Speaker 1: they were like, you want to come to an after
Speaker 1: party at our house and get there and after parties,
Speaker 1: just me and my friend, and they never forced us
Speaker 1: to do anything, but they made it very clear why
Speaker 1: we were there. And you have all these things like
Speaker 1: the next day waking up and being like, I really
Speaker 1: put myself in a dangerous situation. Why because I thought
Speaker 1: this guy was cool or he was famous or what
Speaker 1: you know, Like yeah, and luckily they weren't the type
Speaker 1: that that forced anything. But that same situation happens to people,
Speaker 1: and and it doesn't end like that. I do think that,
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to abuse, if you're in
Speaker 1: a cycle of abuse, you tend to try to make
Speaker 1: yourself feel better about it. It's like, oh, well, it
Speaker 1: could be worse. He could have X, Y Z. At
Speaker 1: least I don't have any bruises on my body, you know,
Speaker 1: at least he didn't hit me. At least he didn't.
Speaker 1: And it's like that becomes a very slippery slope. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think I always tend to believe women.
Speaker 1: Of course, in a lot of me two cases, I
Speaker 1: think there were some where the line isn't as clear,
Speaker 1: and these seem like very clear allegations. But again it's
Speaker 1: not a crime yet. There has been no um at
Speaker 1: court date, there's no charges. So right now all we
Speaker 1: have our allegations and I guess we'll see how it
Speaker 1: all plays out. And you know, we're thinking about all
Speaker 1: the people that have been affected in this, from the
Speaker 1: women that potentially are allegedly were affected to also his kid,
Speaker 1: his child, his wife. You know, it's interesting because a
Speaker 1: lot of the women also discussed how they were enamored
Speaker 1: because it was the height of sex in the city
Speaker 1: and it it oh my god, it's Mr Big, you know.
Speaker 1: And he used to leave voicemails on one of the
Speaker 1: women's phones and even her boss would listen to them,
Speaker 1: and I could see that being very intoxicating. And and
Speaker 1: I don't mean this in a negative way, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think some people do get really star struck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no one's to blame for that, you know, it's it
Speaker 1: just happens. Um. I just think that, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're a man in a position of power, when you
Speaker 1: take advantage of women knowingly because of that, that's this
Speaker 1: is what ultimately is allegedly a predator, which is which
Speaker 1: is obviously it's not this is not good that any
Speaker 1: of us happened, but if there's something good to come
Speaker 1: from it, is to that we would like we said,
Speaker 1: we don't know that this is this is supposedly like
Speaker 1: it's a crime yet, right, It's still evolving. But the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is it's still stuff that people
Speaker 1: can learn from and they can say. People can hear
Speaker 1: this story and think, Okay, well, I shouldn't just trust
Speaker 1: someone because they're on my TV. Yeah, I shouldn't just
Speaker 1: go to somebody's apartment because I recognize them from a
Speaker 1: show or because I'm enamored by the fact that they're famous.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make them good people. Can we tack on
Speaker 1: executive producers and agents and managers and studio network and
Speaker 1: and any CEO and presidents. I just wanted to add
Speaker 1: a couple other names the list. Ah wow, this is
Speaker 1: this is nice and depressing to start well, I also
Speaker 1: do want to say for any ladies who might have
Speaker 1: the question of, well, how am I supposed to safely
Speaker 1: meet up with people? How do I weed people out?
Speaker 1: Something that I've learned through trial and error is I
Speaker 1: always make it clear that it's not a date ahead
Speaker 1: of time, so if anything gets uncomfortable, Um, it was
Speaker 1: already clear in text that I'm just there for business,
Speaker 1: and I leave when I get uncomfortable. And then the
Speaker 1: other thing is I usually ask ahead of time when
Speaker 1: someone asks to meet me what's the agenda? I want
Speaker 1: to know why they want to meet up with me.
Speaker 1: And I learned that from Barbara Corkran, who is incredible. Um,
Speaker 1: if you guys ever watched Shark Tank, Barbara's so sharp
Speaker 1: and she really has a shark. She's incredible, and she's
Speaker 1: always ask what's the agenda? Because my time is too
Speaker 1: valuable and too precious to just meet up with a
Speaker 1: random guy because he has a crush on me and
Speaker 1: he was too insecure to actually ask him on a
Speaker 1: date because he thought I would say no. So, ladies,
Speaker 1: never get yourself in the situation where you've got a
Speaker 1: bait and switch where you think you're going to talk
Speaker 1: about business, but it turns out to be a date
Speaker 1: and never fun. Never fun, So always ask what's on
Speaker 1: the agenda? Very good advice. Uh, And shall we take
Speaker 1: a break and come back with the other stuffy, Let's
Speaker 1: take a little break. I love a break for us
Speaker 1: the RB and we're back from our real time crime.
Speaker 1: Hello crime heads. We still never really figured out a
Speaker 1: name for everyone? Did we think social sluts was fun.
Speaker 1: I like sexy sluts. I don't know after what topic
Speaker 1: we just discussed that sexy sluts is an appropriate name
Speaker 1: for I'm gonna I'm gonna backtrack. I'm gonna backtrack. Let's go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: crime heads, I don't know, Okay, moving on. So I
Speaker 1: think it's time to discuss our truck driver who killed
Speaker 1: four people and was sentenced to a hundred and ten
Speaker 1: years in prison. Do you want to take this one? Okay?
Speaker 1: First pronounced the name for me, so I don't mess
Speaker 1: it up. Is it? Ro Hell Aguilera Maderas is the
Speaker 1: driver who crashed an out of control semi truck and
Speaker 1: just stop traffic in two thousand nineteen. He was He
Speaker 1: was twenty three years old at the time, past one
Speaker 1: of Colorado's runway truck ramp after losing the brakes on
Speaker 1: his commercial via goal as he descended onto this I seventy.
Speaker 1: He killed four people and injured several others. The crash
Speaker 1: damaged or destroyed twenty eight vehicles. He was convicted of
Speaker 1: twenty seven counts, including vehicular homicide. A judge in Jefferson
Speaker 1: County sentenced him to one and ten years in prisons.
Speaker 1: Four counts of vehicular homicides, six counts of assault in
Speaker 1: the first degree extreme indifference, ten counts of attempt to
Speaker 1: commit assault in the first degree, two counts of vehicle
Speaker 1: two counts of vehicular assault reckless one count of reckless driving,
Speaker 1: four counts of careless driving causing death. Since this happened,
Speaker 1: since he was sentenced to the hundred and ten years,
Speaker 1: more than four million people have signed a petition on
Speaker 1: change dot org asking the governor Jared Paulis to grant
Speaker 1: clemency or commute truck driver rogals prison, sitnals so and
Speaker 1: o J walks free it. Here's the thing. Obviously there
Speaker 1: were mistakes made. However, he wasn't texting, he wasn't drinking,
Speaker 1: he wasn't on drugs. This is all confirmed. A hundred
Speaker 1: and a hundred and ten years for a twenty three
Speaker 1: year old man who has a child, who was not
Speaker 1: doing anything to like alter his driving ability. It is
Speaker 1: obscene to me. I think also the fact that both
Speaker 1: sides agree that his breaks went out. It's like this
Speaker 1: person is not at fault. He did make some mistakes,
Speaker 1: which is which is why they gave him a hundred
Speaker 1: and ten years, and apparently in Colorado, you can't do
Speaker 1: concurrent sentences. They have to be consecutive, which is why
Speaker 1: it's a hundred and ten years. And I guess the
Speaker 1: question is how long is one person's life worth? And
Speaker 1: so they did four life sentences back to back to
Speaker 1: back to back essentially. But so he missed he missed
Speaker 1: one of the runaway truck ramps, and that would have
Speaker 1: been a way to help him prevent hitting anyone else.
Speaker 1: But in his testimony, he was saying, it's like if
Speaker 1: you're in a panic and you've never been in this
Speaker 1: situation before, you're probably in tunnel vision. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: like he was malicious. No, he was busy swerving in
Speaker 1: and out of cars, trying not to hit anyone. And
Speaker 1: then he said that he saw another truck in the shoulder,
Speaker 1: which is that's where he wanted to stay. He said
Speaker 1: he was just going to try to stay in the
Speaker 1: shoulder and that there was a truck up ahead, so
Speaker 1: he thought maybe if he smashed into it, it would
Speaker 1: slow down his vehicle. But then I guess that is
Speaker 1: another point of contention because they realized if he smashed
Speaker 1: into that larger truck, he probably would have died and
Speaker 1: killed himself, and so because he was not willing to
Speaker 1: commit suicide, that's why they're saying that he had malicious
Speaker 1: intent because he was willing to put other people in
Speaker 1: danger before himself. But I don't know that he knew
Speaker 1: how it was going to end. Like I mean, I agree,
Speaker 1: I don't want to kill myself either, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that all of a sudden I want to hurt
Speaker 1: other people or kill other people. Know, And they're saying
Speaker 1: that there are a couple of maneuvers you can do
Speaker 1: if your truck uh loses breaks or there's an incident.
Speaker 1: You can try to lay the truck down on its side,
Speaker 1: which apparently is a very difficult move to do. I
Speaker 1: think that would I mean, making like a very sharp
Speaker 1: turn and then just having it fall over. Um, you
Speaker 1: could also run it into the guardrail. I mean, these
Speaker 1: are all right, and and let's be honest, these don't
Speaker 1: really seem like tactics you learn how to do by
Speaker 1: actually practicing them. You probably just read them in a textbook.
Speaker 1: So if you've never done it before and your brain
Speaker 1: goes blank, this is a lot. This is exactly why
Speaker 1: when a lot of people hydroplane, they get into accidents
Speaker 1: because they've never experienced hydroplaning. They've just read about it.
Speaker 1: For those people who don't know what hydroplanning is, it's
Speaker 1: when there's water on the road and your car skids
Speaker 1: and you lose complete um a steering ability. So everyone
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles when it drizzles, which is which is?
Speaker 1: Which is funny? That for when you get a driver's license, right,
Speaker 1: they take you on some back road where there's park
Speaker 1: cars and they have you parallel park. That's not where
Speaker 1: the accidents happen. The accidents happen when you drive it.
Speaker 1: So maybe people should be a little more versed in
Speaker 1: the situations that they may have to handle. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: boulevard I mean also the fact that there's now a
Speaker 1: hashtag no trucks to Colorado, like all everybody refusing to
Speaker 1: drive in Colorado to stand by him, show how over
Speaker 1: the top this sentences for what happened. Apparently there are
Speaker 1: a ton of truck drivers blocking off the roads to Colorado.
Speaker 1: They've all just complete there. They're they're basically not rioting, protesting.
Speaker 1: And the little the little girl, one of the little girls,
Speaker 1: one of the people who was killed. Unfortunately, she said,
Speaker 1: I won't have my dad, but hopefully this is the
Speaker 1: person who killed my father will have his son. And
Speaker 1: even then the judge said he it was completely out
Speaker 1: of his hands and he was mandatory to give this sentence.
Speaker 1: But now there's a petition that has over four million
Speaker 1: people on change dot org and apparently changed dot org
Speaker 1: said it was their largest petition this year, and it's
Speaker 1: asking Colorado Governor Jared Polis to grant clemency for Rohell
Speaker 1: and his prison sentence. I think that you know this.
Speaker 1: This has been going on for a while because the
Speaker 1: petition was created three years ago, but the trial just
Speaker 1: came to a head. Apparently he didn't accept a plea deal.
Speaker 1: There was a plea bargain on the table and he
Speaker 1: didn't take it, and then the worst thing imagina will happen.
Speaker 1: He got a hue years and you can see in
Speaker 1: his testimony he's sobbing. He's like, I wish it was me.
Speaker 1: I wish every day it was me. I can't believe
Speaker 1: why why did they die and I lived? You know,
Speaker 1: he has survivors guilt. It's clear that it was an
Speaker 1: accident and he panicked and made some poor choices that
Speaker 1: could happen to anyone, Well, you said it yourself. He's
Speaker 1: twenty three years old and he made mistakes. He wasn't
Speaker 1: on drugs, he wasn't drunk, he wasn't being reckless. It's
Speaker 1: like years for for somebody that a young kid that
Speaker 1: made a mistake, like and not even like other people say,
Speaker 1: like I made mistakes, I went drinking driving. That's not
Speaker 1: even this. And to that judge, I say, if if
Speaker 1: this the the last few years have taught us anything,
Speaker 1: don't give me the it's I'm unfortunately my hands of time.
Speaker 1: It's mandatory that I do this. Nobody does anything that
Speaker 1: they have to do anymore. And I don't mean that
Speaker 1: like in a shitty way, but there are ways around stuff.
Speaker 1: Your job is to is to make the decision based
Speaker 1: on all factors. Yes, and I mean Kyle Rittenhouse killed
Speaker 1: three people intentionally, almost allegedly, not intentionally, and it's completely
Speaker 1: free and this person giving motivational speeches m hm and
Speaker 1: and okay. So apparently though there is a little bit
Speaker 1: of hope, the tiniest bit a glimmer, because apparently, in
Speaker 1: Colorado judges are allowed to revisit sentences after a hundred
Speaker 1: nineteen days in jail. And that's a mandatory minimum sentencing long.
Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see if the public really pulls
Speaker 1: together and protests us, and maybe they will diminish his sentence.
Speaker 1: I'm on December, so hundred and nineteen days post. That's
Speaker 1: not that far out. No, it's a third of a year, yeah,
Speaker 1: which in these days goes by very quickly, very quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not missing much out here. I love
Speaker 1: the way you always, no matter how tense we are
Speaker 1: with the topic, you always have a way of just
Speaker 1: just bringing it back, making it trying to give us
Speaker 1: a joke. And speaking of jokes, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: know how to make the transition to why don't we
Speaker 1: take a break then? Because I feel like all these
Speaker 1: things could use a little breather in between, at least
Speaker 1: for us. It's just like sex, I mean breaks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have sex like a nine year old man, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm one minute on, one minute off. Hello, everyone, we're
Speaker 1: back to real time crime and we've got our final
Speaker 1: segment for you today. Dmitri has been talking a lot today,
Speaker 1: even though we didn't really give him permission. Sometimes sometimes
Speaker 1: in one wow, I know you're very topics. We can't
Speaker 1: it's you take this one, Leah. All right, Teddy, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: So many of you have probably heard about this already
Speaker 1: from Snoop Dogg's Instagram, but we are going to be
Speaker 1: discussing Drakio the Ruler. So Darryl Wayne Calledwell professionally known
Speaker 1: as Drakio the Ruler, He was a twenty year old
Speaker 1: American rapper and songwriter. He was known for his unique
Speaker 1: flow with people said was like oddly expressive, and he's
Speaker 1: very poetic word choices. And he was um facing a
Speaker 1: lot of legal issues in the past. So in seventeen
Speaker 1: he was arrested by l a p D. They rated
Speaker 1: his condo, a place where he regularly shot music videos,
Speaker 1: and he was held in jail when he was charged
Speaker 1: with unlawful possession of a firearm by felony. Then he
Speaker 1: was released shortly after, and in ten he was arrested again.
Speaker 1: This time he was charged with first degree murder, attempted murder,
Speaker 1: and conspiracy to commit murder. The charges stemmed from twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen shooting in Carson, California, where one person was killed
Speaker 1: and two were injured. He was facing life in prison,
Speaker 1: and then in July nineteen he was acquitted of his
Speaker 1: murder and attempted murder charges. However, the district attorney decided
Speaker 1: to refile charges of criminal gang conspiracy and shooting from
Speaker 1: a motor vehicle in August, two counts that resulted in
Speaker 1: a hung jury during his trial. He was released from
Speaker 1: jail in November after the District attorney office offered him
Speaker 1: a plea deal following three years incarceration. This a little backstory. UM,
Speaker 1: I just want to let you guys know that if
Speaker 1: you have watched my Instagram stories and you know how
Speaker 1: mentally ill I am. I got real caught up on
Speaker 1: the words hung jury last night. My face when you did,
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, she was still excited. She's like, Hans,
Speaker 1: tell me you haven't had sex without telling me you
Speaker 1: haven't had sex. Um, I am so okay, I'm fine. Okay.
Speaker 1: So so let's get to what occurred. He was stabbed
Speaker 1: backstage at around eight thirty pm on December during the
Speaker 1: Once Upon a Time in l A concert, and Snoop
Speaker 1: Dogg and were set to headline never performed. They basically
Speaker 1: left immediately after they heard about the incident, which was
Speaker 1: at the Bank of Cali Fornia Stadium. There were some
Speaker 1: eyewitness reports saying that he was stabbed in the neck,
Speaker 1: others saying he was stabbed in the head. It is
Speaker 1: still unclear where he was stabbed. Paramedics came ort around
Speaker 1: eight forty and transported him to the hospital and critical condition,
Speaker 1: where he was later pronounced dead of his wounds at
Speaker 1: the hospital. There has been no arrest made. No one
Speaker 1: is in custody yet. Snoop Dogg made an announcement on
Speaker 1: Instagram and saying that you know, he was deeply sorry
Speaker 1: that um about what occurred into all the families, and
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the show had to be canceled. The
Speaker 1: show could not go on after that. Okay, how has
Speaker 1: there not been any arrests or anything. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Like I've been, I've been. I was about to be like,
Speaker 1: but I've been backstage a million times. There are so
Speaker 1: many people bustling around back there. This is not something
Speaker 1: that it's like. And cameras, I mean, I don't know that.
Speaker 1: There's always cameras. I don't know. Never mind, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, but even no matter where
Speaker 1: you go, if you're walking around backstage, normally everybody performing
Speaker 1: has a handler with them. Of some sort. Then there's publicity,
Speaker 1: then there's security, then that like, so, how is this happening?
Speaker 1: My other question is if a few different people have
Speaker 1: different accounts of how it went down. They saw him
Speaker 1: get stabbed in the head, they saw him get stabbed
Speaker 1: in the throat, that means that they saw the person
Speaker 1: or people who were part of this altercation. So why
Speaker 1: is no one talking. Or Leah's theory, I think that
Speaker 1: he because of his prior trouble with the law, there
Speaker 1: may have been a larger play for the police, and
Speaker 1: maybe they are looping this into a larger crime that
Speaker 1: or I mean, maybe he started it. He still did
Speaker 1: get murdered. He did. We just don't know any information,
Speaker 1: and our job as social crime sluits are to give
Speaker 1: all of the things. Maybe nobody's been arrested because somebody
Speaker 1: was questioned because it was in self defense. Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Oh what if it was self defense? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty good Kyle Rittenhouse argument if I ever heard one.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't know. Obviously, there's not there's
Speaker 1: not very much information on this case. There's not very
Speaker 1: much information. We don't know who was present, we don't
Speaker 1: know We don't have any footage, we don't have any photos.
Speaker 1: All we know is that Snoop Dogg I mean announcement
Speaker 1: and that Drako is no longer with us. That's basically
Speaker 1: the extent to which we know. We also know that
Speaker 1: this is different than Astro World because somebody found out
Speaker 1: that there was a death, they canceled the rest of
Speaker 1: the uh concert. I mean, this is something also that
Speaker 1: makes me a little bit confused when we go back
Speaker 1: to some of the earlier cases that we talked about,
Speaker 1: Like all the cases that we've talked about, why are
Speaker 1: some things that you're involved in mean that you're done working,
Speaker 1: you're canceled from everything, and then some things you can
Speaker 1: have a huge list of things you've almost gotten life
Speaker 1: sentenced for and then still be showing up and booking
Speaker 1: a big job like that. It's a good question. I
Speaker 1: don't have any answer to that. And we see this
Speaker 1: along though, you know, I mean, uh, it's interesting because
Speaker 1: I was going to say, if those crimes had been committed,
Speaker 1: you know, seven years ago. People change, and all the
Speaker 1: cells in your bodies change every seven years, so but
Speaker 1: these were pretty recent times. Two thousand seventeen, two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. I've got no excuse, and then we
Speaker 1: were inside for two years, so what's to say that
Speaker 1: crimes would still have continued? He committed those crimes during Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, there's a lot going on,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. All of these conversations is starting
Speaker 1: to make me worried about going to concerts. Interesting or
Speaker 1: you know what, You're right? You want to believe that
Speaker 1: it's like because everything I go to my kids, like,
Speaker 1: let when they're fifteen years old, the like our sixteen
Speaker 1: years old, the likelihood that they're gonna want to go
Speaker 1: with their mom to a concert is probably not high.
Speaker 1: So you want to assume that you are sending them
Speaker 1: to a safe place that's very secure. So what precautions
Speaker 1: are being taken at these events? I wouldn't say a
Speaker 1: concert festival, you know, bigger festivals where more people are
Speaker 1: going to attend because there's more headliners. What are the
Speaker 1: security precautions? I can I can say from personal experience
Speaker 1: from going to I don't even know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but from
Speaker 1: going to jingle Ball, there are people on every single door.
Speaker 1: There are people I mean there's someone checking before you
Speaker 1: go in the bathroom, like there is no place that
Speaker 1: you can go and there's nothing that you can do undetected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: same thing with I heard festival is I felt I've
Speaker 1: never felt safer. So what ball is being dropped in
Speaker 1: these situations that it's so easy for these crimes? Cherker,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe people just need to go to concerts
Speaker 1: in the metaverse where it's safe. And what I'll never understand.
Speaker 1: Remember how I texted you the other day ask me
Speaker 1: about n f T s and then I got I
Speaker 1: got sidetracked and realized I'll never be able to understand,
Speaker 1: so I have to continue on not knowing. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I was. And then I was awarded Entertainer of
Speaker 1: the Year by Time magazine and an n f T.
Speaker 1: I would have congratulated you, but I have no idea
Speaker 1: what it means. But congratulations now that we're face to face,
Speaker 1: that is. It was honestly pretty cool. I did cry,
Speaker 1: but I'll cry over everything if you guys can imagine that.
Speaker 1: And we haven't seen you cry yet. Goals for next week? Really,
Speaker 1: I think I cried when I said Joan Rivers his
Speaker 1: name too many times, said Babs. Yeah, also Babs the
Speaker 1: same effect, don't okay? Um, But but I also think,
Speaker 1: you know, having very conservative parents growing up, I had
Speaker 1: the fear of God instilled in me, and UM never
Speaker 1: did anything. So I suggest living in a bubble and
Speaker 1: living in fear of your life and you'll nothing bad
Speaker 1: will ever happen to you, because nothing will ever happen. Well,
Speaker 1: I broke my teeth out at a concert. Actually I was.
Speaker 1: I was either in the eighth or the ninth grade,
Speaker 1: and I was at a widespread panic concert. Wow, go on,
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I mean I was probably like
Speaker 1: drinking Boone's farm, let's be honest, um, And I put
Speaker 1: somebody on my back as if I was a horse
Speaker 1: and was cantering and trying to jump the railroad track
Speaker 1: outside of the widespread Panic show and tripped and broke
Speaker 1: my teeth out. And when I got back to the house,
Speaker 1: my mom was like, well, you're just gonna have to
Speaker 1: wait it out, because like when I remember like having
Speaker 1: to put candle wax on these two, like these three
Speaker 1: broken teeth right here. Like I mean, who would have
Speaker 1: thought drinking Boone's farm and taking someone on your back
Speaker 1: and pretending to be a horse could end badly. Wait,
Speaker 1: I'm stuck on the candle wax on your teeth part
Speaker 1: George Washington. Well, no, because my roots were all exposed
Speaker 1: and it was hurting every time I breathed. So I
Speaker 1: came home and I was like, why d it was
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. I just got home.
Speaker 1: What am I gonna do? Go to the e R
Speaker 1: made it sounds like, well, if it hurts, you made
Speaker 1: it sound like you like, this is what you had
Speaker 1: to do until they grew in my grow and apparently
Speaker 1: you thought so oh yeah, um yeah, So don't you know,
Speaker 1: maybe don't drink Boone's farm and pretend you're an animal
Speaker 1: and try to jump around on tracks. Also pot tips
Speaker 1: by Cheddy we can do another day. Wow, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, I mean my only on my one
Speaker 1: thing I did was I lied to my mom said
Speaker 1: I was sleeping at my friend's house. And we went
Speaker 1: to New Jersey to see Avril Levine in concert, and
Speaker 1: I wore black and wife beater with a black tie
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, we're gonna be so cool,
Speaker 1: We're gonna look like ABRI's gonna be so punk, and
Speaker 1: I just want, let you know, nothing about me was
Speaker 1: punk at the stage of my life. I was wearing
Speaker 1: like pink juicy sweatpants and we show up and we y,
Speaker 1: we think everyone's going to look like that, And everyone
Speaker 1: was just dressed like cute little girls from Jersey and
Speaker 1: like jeans and cute tops. And I hate trying to Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was your shot. She could have brought you on
Speaker 1: stage as a double things. You never know what's happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, um, listen to your parents, listen to your parents.
Speaker 1: Don't do any of the things that Lee and I do.
Speaker 1: I don't really. I mean, who knows what Dmitri does.
Speaker 1: He's he's a wild one. Now, I was a good kid.
Speaker 1: I feel like Dmitri was born this age never age.
Speaker 1: Can't you submit a photo of what you looked like
Speaker 1: as a child. I need to know I face, Yes,
Speaker 1: I had no beard. I had hair on top. The
Speaker 1: hair just slid down over the years. So, Dmitri, I
Speaker 1: still think you're AI. Like, I'm not convinced your person
Speaker 1: intelligence is easily artificial. Yes, you're compared to us. He's
Speaker 1: a genius. Okay, So anyways, you guys, can we take
Speaker 1: one more break? Let's take one more Just a little
Speaker 1: bit of something if it's a little business to take
Speaker 1: care of. Oh yes, yes we can. All right back,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to actually try something. I would like for
Speaker 1: everyone to go to my most recent Instagram real It's
Speaker 1: a real with me, Teddy and Dmitri, and I would
Speaker 1: like for you to just write sleuth on it. I
Speaker 1: want to see who's listening and paying attention. Well, obviously
Speaker 1: not me. I'm not. I'm I didn't even know there
Speaker 1: was one. I posted it like an hour ago. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm the worst. The cover Just so people
Speaker 1: are clear, the cover of the real is uh Me
Speaker 1: on Business Insider, so it's not Teddy and Dmitri. But
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm gonna plug us all but really, I'm
Speaker 1: just plugging myself that I anyways, don't worry about Dremitri
Speaker 1: and I follow Leah like her post Tama how great
Speaker 1: she is, and we'll just go kick rocks outside. No, guys,
Speaker 1: I just want to also remind you you gotta call
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Speaker 1: Happy harnakah to alma Jews out there. I know it's
Speaker 1: already over, but just I was like, hold on, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if I'm pretty sure that those days are gone.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Oh my god, happy to hear you guys.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year. But two, I feel like it's gonna
Speaker 1: be twenty again I know, but thrilled. Well, I'll see
Speaker 1: you guys. What is it the people say on the
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