WEBVTT - Interview Only w/ John Kasich - Why Do Moderates Keep Losing The Argument? 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.280 This episode of The Chuck Podcast is brought to you 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:06.720 by Chapter. Now, almost everything you hear about medicare is 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:12.080 somebody quietly trying to steer you somewhere, and you're skeptical 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:13.640 of that, as you should be. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:14.280 I get it. 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:16.800 I mean, there's a federal lawsuit going on right now 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.400 over exactly this companies that branded themselves as unbiased while 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.840 allegedly pointing people toward whatever would pay them the most, 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.240 as some sort of broker. So if your default is 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.040 to distrust everyone in this space, honestly, I get it. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.200 I'm a bit distrustful these days myself. That's the whole 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.200 reason I want to tell you about Chapter. They're independent 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.279 medicare advisors whose entire model is that their advisors are 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.280 not paid to push any one plan. They're just trying 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.839 to help. Yes, there's compensation that goes with it, but 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.680 it's across the board is what they're trying to do. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:52.760 At the end of the day, they're advocating for you. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.200 They're not the insurance companies themselves. They're an actual person 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:01.200 who actually goes through your doctors, your prescriptions needs, and 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.720 then compares them to every single plan available to find 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.080 the best one. That will work for you and hopefully 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.640 send save you a couple of dollars too. And here's 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.800 the part that sets Chapter apart. They don't disappear once 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.560 you've been in a role. They will keep advocating for you. 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:18.960 They're kind of like almost like a concierge service. You're 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.160 just there. I need help. You're like customer service. You 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.199 know the plan, you know, help me navigate this again. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.759 So you ever get hit with a wrongful medical bill, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.520 they'll help you fight it. They want to stay an 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:34.240 advocate for you even after you've done this. So look, 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.920 I get it. I think there's all sorts of space. 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.560 You see a lot of people are throwing themselves in 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.440 this healthcare space. When I like about these Chapter folks, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.120 I've spent time with them. This is a very transparent organization. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.960 It is Medicare, and all of its affiliated stuff can 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:54.880 be very confusing. The whole point of this is to 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:59.600 make this easier and less confusing. Okay, so look, take 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.480 this cupicism you already have in all of this, pointed 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.480 out your own plan for twenty minutes. It's free, there's 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.360 no pressure, and then call Chapter today at nine eight 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:17.640 zero seven three four three nine eight five. Well, joining 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.280 me now is somebody who's should be a familiar face 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.079 to you, because I think I've had him on my hye. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.480 I'd like to think we regularly now do this about 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.800 once a quarter. It's my friend John Kasik. You may 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.800 know him as the former governor of Ohio. You may 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.840 know him as a former member of Congress, former whatever 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:34.960 we're all about. We're a couple of guys with a 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.480 lot of formers, and we're a lot of and we're 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.880 but neither one of us believe we're formally doing anything. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.080 We're just trying to do And I think as you, 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.519 as I share all the time about our conversations, I 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.519 always say, you know, at the end of the day, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.880 both I think John and I are in the same 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.440 place by trying to figure out how can we get 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.679 people speaking again. And John, I got to tell you 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.520 about an organization I was just at earlier this month. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.600 You would love it if the organizations called Recenter Indiana, 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:10.640 and it's all about civic engagement, depolarization, and the whole 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.400 point is not centrism. I love their focus, which is 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:18.320 saying we just want every local politician to put Indiana's 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:23.040 priorities before their ideology, and that's what they mean by recenter. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:24.880 And I have to tell you now Indiana. You know 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:29.680 Indiana well, obviously as a border state of yours, they've 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.239 always had a culture. It may be a conservative state, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.120 but they are not a what I call a pugilistic state. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.120 It's kind of like Utah. They don't like this style 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:44.280 of politics. And this group really revolted over the redistricting, 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.800 you know, basically the outside. 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.240 I was really impressed with this group. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.520 They got a great turnout and they're really trying to 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:57.720 It's about trying to help educate young voters, increase participation 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.720 with young voters, but really try to improve civic conversation. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.680 And it strikes me that there's a lot of desire 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.880 out there for this. I know you hear this, I 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.880 hear this, and yet all the coverage is about how 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:10.640 divided we are. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:16.720 You know. Yeah, I'm not so sure that I agree 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:17.080 with that. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.719 I mean, you don't share that optimism right now. 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.720 Well, here's the problem, Chuck, I mean, it's in my opinion, 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:28.320 it's like, if you're a Republican and you go you 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.960 want to really have a good conversation, well, then would 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.159 you vote for a Democrat. Oh, I wouldn't do that, 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.719 are you kidding? And vice versa. So we hear people 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.560 say this, but at the end, when the bell goes off, 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.880 people go to their corners. And I don't want to 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.880 be I don't want to be pessimistic, but I also 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.559 don't want to be you know, pie in the sky. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:55.920 And I think there's a lot of work to be done, 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:57.840 which you're trying to do and I'm trying to do. 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.120 In mind, I agree that there's a ton of work, 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.080 and I think, you know, the voters keep rejecting both parties, 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.600 and neither party sees it yet as an indictment. They 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.280 just see it as an opportunity to win the next time. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.799 And that's what I don't know how we change that mindset. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.880 Well, how do you say they're rejecting both parties every 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.320 election cycle they vote out the party that's in power. 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.799 And they've done it every we have, not every single 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:28.440 every two years john this century, but two four and 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:33.200 twelve were reelected. Everything in on the federal level. But 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.480 if you go now, I can get right, you go, 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:39.040 we can go back twenty fourteen, New Senate, twenty sixteen, 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.440 New White House, twenty eighteen, new House twenty twenty, new 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:47.080 White House, new new Senate twenty twenty two, new House 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.120 twenty twenty four, new presidents that you see where like 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:54.760 we're voters, I say, we the voters only have one 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.440 tool to express themselves, the elector of the American people, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.960 and it's they're voting. And if you don't like your options, 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.080 then you just vote out right, and we keep voting out. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.839 We're going to have over one hundred new members of 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.360 Congress this cycle, jump only for. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:11.960 The third time. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.000 Ninety two was the last time we had over one 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.359 hundred new members of Congress. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:18.120 To vote. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.680 Let me ask you this, though, for something new, they 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.320 just don't necessarily know what they want. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.360 They want a bout a leadership. Let's let's drill down 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.279 a little deeper on that. Is that because people who 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.240 are Republicans are voting for Democrats and Democrats voting for 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:36.240 Republicans or is it about turnout? In other words, you 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.640 know you're going to see the Democrats all fired up 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.920 this time and the Republicans are going to sit at home. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:42.760 But I would argue there's door number three that we 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.880 always leave out in this conversation, and I totally agree 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.120 with you about the ebbs and flows of base turnout, 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.240 and there's no doubt this cycle it's the left that's 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.720 exciting and they're going to show up. And I doubt 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.000 the Trump voter shows up. I think we all see 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:01.080 that coming. But it's the forty to rowing of forty 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:05.120 percent who won't, who are uncomfortable identifying in either party. 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:09.680 And you know this, right, you know independence Essentially in 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.920 twenty four they looked Republican. This cycle they look Democrat 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.960 to me. They're not waffling, they're essentially voting against. The 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.480 independent voter doesn't vote for, they vote against these days, 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:26.080 and that's where that's the difference I think between Look, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.360 we've always had the ebbs and flows of base turnout, 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.240 that hasn't changed. But you have this larger chunk of 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.600 voters that's growing in and that's the question. Are they 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.640 in the middle or are they just rejecting these institutions? 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.400 But maybe ideologically they're all over the place. And I 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.800 think that is why this forty percent has been so 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:47.720 hard to organize. 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:52.679 If you will, well, look, you said something that I can't. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.560 I keep repeating it, and I hope it's right. And 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:05.840 that is it took six presidentinential elections to get beyond Lincoln. Yeah, okay, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.960 well it didn't take one, it didn't take two. It 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.280 took six. Now, I know the country's not as divided 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:19.200 today as it was, but that's that. See, you're you're 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.520 getting me convoluted here because on one hand, you're telling 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:26.040 me something about how long it took for people to wait. Well, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:27.320 I agree that we do. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.000 I mean, I'll give you another fun little you know 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.040 how long it took from the first meeting in Seneca 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.160 Falls for the women to get the right to vote 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.080 in eighteen forty eight to nineteen twenty, right, Like, that's 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:46.280 seventy two years. So not every project happens overnight in 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:46.920 this country. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.680 Well, look, we would both love for people to Well, 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.400 here's another thing, Chuck, and I hope you will agree 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.440 with this. I wrote something about this, and that is 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:03.040 this socialist the Democrats socialis us are actually talking about 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.000 things that people care about. I don't mean the prisons 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.400 or that other craft. But when they start talking about 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.199 affordability and they start talking about the gap between the 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.400 reach and poor, and you know, I don't get a 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.720 fair shot. All that kind of rhetoric. Okay, all that 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:21.240 stuff that's touching voters. And what's more interesting than just 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:25.120 the fact that they're resonating with voters, they are electrifying 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:29.040 their supporters who are now out there doing something that 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.160 I used to do, that we used to do in 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.520 this country. And you know what it is. It's door 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:38.200 to door campaigning. It's face to face. It's face to face. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.320 And so you don't, yeah, let me finish. So the 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:45.040 moderates what I say about the Democrat moderates. In fact, 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.400 I talked to a Democrat governor about this. I said, 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.120 why are you people being silent? Why don't you say 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.880 that what the socialists are saying makes sense. It's just 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.600 their solutions are crazy. Let me tell you what I 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.760 would do. But you don't hear them. They're quiet. It's 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.760 just like the anti med A crowd. We know, okay, 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:04.800 Trump hit a nerve. Let me finish this thought for 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.080 our listeners. Trump hit a nerve. I warned them about 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:12.480 this in twenty sixteen. It's it's negative populism. But yet 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:17.240 the normal Republicans didn't say anything to say, no, that's 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.120 just nonsense, right, Like we're going to balance the budget 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.640 through waste, spad and abuse. You know, well, I look 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:24.240 at it this way. 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.800 If you if you see two if you're not feeling well, 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.800 and you go and you see two doctors, yeah, and 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.959 one doctor says, yeah, I think there's something wrong here, 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.520 and the other doctor says, I can't find anything wrong. Well, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.600 which doctor are you going to go back to? The 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:40.800 one that like? Now? 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:41.520 That's it? 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:46.800 They They may end up prescribing some cuckoo bird cure. Right, 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.000 you beaches on George Washington, Right, yeah, right, but you're 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:55.760 good at but you trust the person that shares the diagnosis. 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.959 So here's here's where I come down on that socialism issue. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.600 Take Grand Rapids. I'm obsessed with what happened in Grand Rapids. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.760 Abdul l sied, I don't know. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.240 What happened there. You mean in the primary, the primary. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.440 First of all, it was this highest turnout ever that 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.520 Democrats got in Kent County, which is Grand Rapids. They 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.360 got over and they just crushed. This is, of course 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:23.400 Gerald Ford's home. This was a county that met Romney carried, 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.800 county that Trump still carried by sixteen, doesn't carry it 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:32.480 by twenty. We know that in the Michigan primary in 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:37.480 twenty twenty, Biden narrowly defeated Sanders, the so called you know, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:42.120 sort of pragmatist versus versus socialists. Abdul l Saied won 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.040 it by over thirty points. And so the question is 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.080 do you believe that the people in Grand Rapids want 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.600 to be are embracing socialism or are they looking at 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.920 Hailey Stevens and abdul Lsied and one said I can 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.040 make the system work, which is essentially was her message, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:03.000 and the other said, this system is broken. Well, if 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:07.040 you're a moderate Republican in Kent County that now has 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:12.840 decided the Republican Party's crazy, you left them right you were. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.760 This was a This was one of those the the 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.880 the high education Republican counties. There's there's one near you 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.280 in Columbus that a lot of people like to talk 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:27.560 Delaware County. Is this Delaware County reliably Republican? Trump has lost, 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.439 you knows, the Trump era has made it fade. It's 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.480 a it's a sort of some one could argue it's 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.640 got some similarities to to Kent. I don't believe that 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.839 people that live in Grand Rapids want socialism. I do 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.120 believe that people in Grand Rapids are going well, one 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:47.440 guy agrees with my diagnosis. This thing is just aft up. 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:48.120 Yeah. 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:52.600 The other person thinks the system is still fixable. I don't. 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.880 I'm going to go with the socialist, even though I'm 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.240 not sure about the solutions. At least he's going in 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.360 there to do something different. And that's what Trump tapped into. 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.800 I agree. That's why we love doing this truck has 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.920 so much fun talking about this stuff. Let's for a 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:15.040 second talk about Mondami. Yeah. Now you and I both 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.600 know that rent control doesn't work, right, But I know this. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.640 If I'm living in an apartment up there, somebody's got 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.679 to do something to keep my rent from going up. 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:29.560 Here's the question. Why did the traditionalists not recognize the 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.480 problem and then come up with a solution that was 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.200 like bold? Right? I mean, do they have no capability 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.240 to think differently? By the way, I saw a bumper 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:43.800 sticker on the car. Sounds like I'm talking about deadhead sticker, right, 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.040 But here's what it said. I took a picture. It 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:52.559 said both democratic, We're not perfect, but they're nuts but back. 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.440 But isn't the way our entire election cycles have gone 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.520 over the last twenty years? Which who's the nuttier? Who's 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:00.920 got the nuts. 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:06.360 I was trying to say that for the traditionalists. Yeah, 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.319 what is your sizzle? Yeah, you don't sell the steak, 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.960 you sell the sizzle. That's what I think Sinatra said, 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.760 And I'm saying to you, they're boring. I mean, why 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.640 is it? Why is it that if you're first of all, 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.440 the healthcare system is ridiculous, what we've done with the 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.240 by taking away those subsidies, you realize what we have 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.080 left are the sickest people and the healthiest people left 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.680 the system. Why doesn't somebody say we're going to convene 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.440 everybody involved in healthcare and we're going to lock them 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:36.960 in a room and we're not going to let them 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.760 out until they come up with something that encourages us 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.960 to stay healthy rather than treating us when we're sick 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.320 where they make a ton of money. They're worried about 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:49.000 the rhetoric too, Chuck Yeah, I mean, where's the bold statements, 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.480 where's the bold ideas from the establishment? They don't exist. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.720 By the way, I could make the same I just 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.520 same argument about the public school system or our education system. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.840 I should call it that because it's no longer a 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.200 public school system. It's a it's a it's very Uh. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:09.160 But what you just described, which is we've allowed our 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:13.760 healthcare care system is sort of two classes, right, the 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.440 haves and the have nots. And our education system is 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.520 a two class system, haves and the have nots, which 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.360 of course means our economy is is sort of divvying 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.840 up the same way. I mean, ultimately, that's what we're 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:27.080 dealing with here, is it? We have? 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:28.040 We have? 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.360 We have we have And I think I think the 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.720 school system and the healthcare system are the two biggest 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:38.480 drivers of this because that's what we all touch and 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.840 feel every day as young families or is as you 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.680 know what what do you interact most with? That government 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.000 has a hand in health care and education, right and 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:52.080 and uh and and we have we have let these 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:58.000 two systems atrophy over the health questions, no question, no 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:02.080 innovation and and it's except in the private space in 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.960 education we have, but there's only so far can go. 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.120 And I would argue that the innovation in the private 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.520 space is actually harmed the public space unintentionally, right, But 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.960 it does do that. It is because it's a binary thing. 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.480 The more kids you take out of the system, the 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.960 more you just you see what you do you just 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.760 create what you just described in the healthcare system, where 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.200 all of a sudden, the public school system only deals 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.640 with those that don't have that. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.920 Yeah, and so it becomes. 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.000 Self reinforcing in a negative way, and we have not 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.960 You know, what made us powerful as a as a 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.520 country one hundred years ago was that our our school 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:46.000 system was everybody went to the same school system, rich 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:50.040 and poor, right, and then over time, you know, first 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.520 it was the only the ultra rich kept their kids out. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.840 Then it just kept you know, chopping its way down, 0:16:55.920 --> 0:17:00.360 and now we've got Yeah, here's the thing, Frankstein system. Well, 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.320 you go to the poorest communities and you have a 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:08.080 lottery to allow parents to have choice. The line is 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.320 so long, of course parents, But why don't we make 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.000 there Why can't we make their neighborhood school a great school? 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.679 Why do we have to shadow? Why? Because you know, 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:21.040 what really is gets down to with no competition. Yeah, 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.880 the pizza in Miami is no good unless there's a 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:30.080 pizza place down the sidewalk. Competition is what drives change. Interestingly, 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.680 my problem with the Union is that they don't want change. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.520 You know, Frankly, most people don't want change. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.880 Everybody's in preservation mode now, and that's where, yes, we're 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.359 in preservation mode. Let me go to a topic because 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:47.239 I'm very curious how you would handle this as a 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.199 if you were on the ballot this year, and that 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.880 is data centers. It's interesting to me. First of all, 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.359 I was in I did interviews. I did back to 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.960 back interviews, one with Byron Donald's Conservative Republic in Florida, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:05.080 one with Doug Jones, you could call them sort of 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.320 center left Democrat and Dothan Alabama. 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.400 Okay, both of them. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.280 The number one issue they're both talking about is data centers, 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.440 right in different even different ways and all this stuff. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.120 I think this public concern about data centers ain't about 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.280 data centers. It's just about uh tech. It's about big tech, 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.800 and it's it's it's I think, larger than just what's 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.639 happening in the communities. How would you be tackling this 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:34.840 one as an elected official? And then two, what would 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.000 you be saying to these tech companies who I think 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:42.080 have spent too much time capturing politicians and not enough 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:43.280 time capturing communities. 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.840 Yep, that's why we need to have public financing of campaigns. Wow, 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.520 Oh no, we need to have yeah, let me get 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.560 to public find Let me start on the first thing, 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.280 data center. If you're going to build a data center, 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.199 you have to bring power with you. This cannot be 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.760 put on the on the rate payers. You want to 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.320 bring a data center, you bring the power. If you 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.480 can't bring the power, you don't have a data center, 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.600 plain and simple. And that is not anti data center. 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.760 That's I'm actually pro data center, but I'm not having 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.920 pro sent a data center paid for by the peoples 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.080 whose utility bills go up. I can tell you this 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.240 in the state of Ohio. We are paying for data 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.440 centers in Virginia because we're in the same little area. 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.600 And it's nonsense. So that's how I would handle that now. 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.240 In terms of big tech, in terms of these companies, 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.359 I mean, you know, there's too much suck up, and 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.560 you know, I think, chuck. 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