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Speaker 1: Never told you a prediction by Heart Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to another happy hour edition of rewatching for me,

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Speaker 2: first time watching for any of Sex and the City.

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Speaker 2: And yes we are in season three, episode four. If

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Speaker 2: you are drinking or doing whatever, do so responsibly. This

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Speaker 2: is an adult show. I think it is rated TVMA.

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Speaker 2: So if you're new to this and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'll jump in, just know probably don't want to listen

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Speaker 2: around children. Because we are not watching the edited version.

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Speaker 2: So this is not from the CW. The CW still exists,

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Speaker 2: it does, Okay, Bravo. I think it's on Bravo if

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Speaker 2: we are watching if you have Netflix not a sponsor

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Speaker 2: that version because that's unedited, right, is un edited?

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Speaker 3: It is, but we're not watching it on I'm not watching.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm just thinking like the access many people

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Speaker 2: are more likely to access it through Netflix than than Max.

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Speaker 1: I mean we've mentioned that recently, but that has been

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Speaker 1: an interesting thing that has come out of Sex and

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Speaker 1: the City being.

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Speaker 3: Available on Netflix. Yes, now a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of younger people are seeing it for the first time

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Speaker 1: and having some thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And speaking of which, So this episode is one

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Speaker 2: of those episodes that I have been warning Annie about

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Speaker 2: because this season is a roller coaster of a season.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fairly offensive. It has not aged well,

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Speaker 2: I will guarantee, because I feel like it's been a minute.

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Speaker 2: So I've seen this episode, but I remember watching it

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Speaker 2: then going oh, eh no. And it's kind of one

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Speaker 2: of those things where we are going to I'm going

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Speaker 2: to spoiler alert talk about bisexuality, and in it, like

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Speaker 2: there's some very dated references to bisexuality, and we already

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Speaker 2: know the level of discrimination that happens from both the

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Speaker 2: queer and the heterosexual community when it comes to bisexuality,

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Speaker 2: and it kind of perpetuates that. So go ahead and

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Speaker 2: put that at the top. They try to make funny jokes.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't land, but there are other parts to it

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Speaker 2: that is interesting at the very least. So with all

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Speaker 2: of that, we're going to do our tradition. Now I've

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Speaker 2: given you a big hint, Amy, so you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: first and foremost, can you recap for us what has

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Speaker 2: been happening on season three?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So this season, I feel like we've started with most

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Speaker 1: always doing her own thing. But Carrie broke up with

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Speaker 1: And you always say bridget Natasha, Yes, and then they've

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Speaker 1: run into each other. So there's been some like drama

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Speaker 1: and hurt around that. Charlotte is once again trying to

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Speaker 1: find a husband, very determined, was talking about finding a

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Speaker 1: political husband or all kinds of things.

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Speaker 3: She's looking.

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Speaker 1: Miranda is trying to be independent but still has Steve

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Speaker 1: she wants with him and with her life and what

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Speaker 1: that means for her independence. And yeah, Samantha's just living

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Speaker 1: the best the best time.

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Speaker 2: Samantha is Samantha ing yes as we like to say it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So for this title, it is boy girl, boy girl.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a clue about what this could be?

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Speaker 3: You have a clue, I have a clue. I have

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Speaker 1: If it's if you feel, based on what you said

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Speaker 3: To do with either you like boys or you like girls.

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Speaker 1: You don't like either, but where would this come up

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Speaker 4: In the club or the brunch.

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Speaker 1: Because I feel like that I'm not I'm not giving

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Speaker 4: Okay, I get okay, Oh I forgot.

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Speaker 2: There is a nineties icon that's two thousand's icon of

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Speaker 2: If you I think you will. If you don't, you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, handle that the pressure?

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Speaker 3: All right, dry kings.

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Speaker 6: The collision of illusion and reality.

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Speaker 3: Did not look at that bunch. It's shocking.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, hurry up and look before Juliani shuts

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Speaker 4: From Juliani who probably about to be disbarred.

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Speaker 3: This is strange washing it now.

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Speaker 4: A time he was seen as normal, not great, but normal.

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Speaker 1: Also, this is I hadn't thought about this before or

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Speaker 1: You're coming to my job. You're just watching me, like

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Speaker 4: Your social outing is D and D.

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Speaker 3: We know that. Yes, yes, I.

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Speaker 8: Feel we have dual powers within each of us. Men

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Speaker 8: Gender is an illusion, sometimes a very beautiful illusion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. See, I don't think he's so far off on

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Speaker 3: Shoh, I do think so either.

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Speaker 2: Like I think if we talk instead of saying illusion

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Speaker 6: Later, Miranda was shocked to find her apartment had undergone

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Speaker 1: He put in a TV sports thought it it's a

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Speaker 6: There was something about him. He was sexy, charming, sexy, coordinated.

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Speaker 6: Nothing about him or our third date was feeling typical.

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Speaker 1: So care again, when was your last serious relationship until then?

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Speaker 1: Want to take another spin around the deathwak No, it's

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Speaker 1: it's fine, It's fine.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, you're on date three. You need

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Speaker 4: Why two K compatible? Hy two K can what about you?

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yes, you should, especially if you want

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Speaker 2: And before Leslie there was Mark.

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Speaker 7: He's a bisexual.

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Speaker 3: He's a bisexual, she says.

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Speaker 2: I'm a trisexual.

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Speaker 3: I'll try anything.

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Speaker 4: This is where I was saying.

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Speaker 7: You know, I did the date the bisexual guy thing

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Speaker 7: I'm not even sure bisexuality exists. I think it's just

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Speaker 3: Isn't that right? Next to Ricky Martin? People think it's great. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: He's evolved, Sam, just speaking of it's greedy, he's double dipping.

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Speaker 4: You're not marrying the guy you're does he have just

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Speaker 6: You're right, you're right.

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Speaker 4: I'm very into labels gay, straight.

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Speaker 3: Pick a side. Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 4: It is what it is.

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Speaker 2: I've got a date with my remote control.

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Speaker 4: Steve's playing basketball.

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Speaker 2: That means at least three hours of blissfully uninterrupted alone time.

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Speaker 2: There's that moment of when you start living or being

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Speaker 2: in that relationship and you're like, I love you, but

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Speaker 1: Just I'm gonna say two hours. I love how you

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Speaker 1: work for days. No, definitely, especially if your place is

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Speaker 4: He's like, hey, pops in for food and it goes away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But then like he.

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Speaker 2: Works sometimes doing shows and he's gone all day, Like, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 8: I would love to have you pose for me.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you'd be great.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I want you to dressed like a man,

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Speaker 8: No, but you'd be surprised.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, not me.

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Speaker 7: I'm really bad at math and I can't change a

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Speaker 4: She's a girl. I can't be a man.

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Speaker 1: The Mulan song is playing loud, playing loud in my head.

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Speaker 4: I guess better than guy she is.

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Speaker 2: So this is those episodes where you are like, carry

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's something you say when you're like

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Speaker 1: like wanting any kind of validation, right, Not when you're thirty.

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Speaker 2: And a sex column a sex columnist who's been through

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Speaker 4: Like I guess maybe her trauma.

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Speaker 2: But this is a different level of like, why do

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Speaker 4: Why does this have to be about you?

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Speaker 1: Especially because if he's he's into you, what does that matter?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 3: If there was a man in the past, right.

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Speaker 2: And why does that make you so insecure? It's kind

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Speaker 2: his youth essentially.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because like you said, it felt very dismissive when

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Speaker 1: I'm not gay, yeah, because that sounds like, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: were in college and you tried something right right, which

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Speaker 9: Exactly, Hey, what what's going on?

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Speaker 2: You're on my side. I love how she's just sitting

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Speaker 4: I have to do that with Peaches.

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Speaker 3: You're insane.

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Speaker 2: This isn't helping me find my inner goddess. This is

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Speaker 2: But if you're pointing me out, tell me what I'm

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Speaker 4: Hell no, how dare you?

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Speaker 3: I listened to class once.

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Speaker 1: So like whoever did the handstand longest would leave, and

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Speaker 3: That's you.

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Speaker 6: You don't want to share your water.

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Speaker 4: Dish, but I'm very free with the chew toys that

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Speaker 2: So this is making Mariana question her femininity because she

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Speaker 4: I've been there.

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Speaker 2: That has a lot to do with my like growing

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Speaker 5: And who the hell do you think you are? You're boss,

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Speaker 5: Samantha Jones pr Now, I don't know when she will. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: well she's been busy. Yeah, you have the attitude too.

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Speaker 5: On FYI, your party suck.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: The bad news is you're fired. The good news is

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Speaker 2: Samantha Discovity, no lawsuit whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: Everything is just fuss.

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Speaker 3: Well that's my job today.

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Speaker 4: But I got to the boss and I get to

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna make you dinner? And then this conference

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Speaker 2: do I know the difference.

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Speaker 6: In the jar?

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Speaker 3: And I'm late, don't move it's glass.

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Speaker 8: I can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't do this.

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Speaker 8: Of course you can't.

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Speaker 5: We'll order pizza.

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Speaker 9: It's no big deal.

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Speaker 2: It's a deal.

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Speaker 4: I just spelled marinary.

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Speaker 2: This is why Steve is a good guy here, Like

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 4: Crawling on your shoulder? Jesus, I guess I really am

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Speaker 2: I'm crying, and then there's an internalized misogyny. Hey, what

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Speaker 2: are you going?

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Speaker 7: Just more cigarettes?

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Speaker 6: That was the last night I saw Sean, I realized

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Speaker 4: And then she ran. I was too, and you know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not scarred, but he was gonna he's gonna talk

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Speaker 1: She just left and never she went out for cigarettes

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is one of the Again, as I said before,

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Speaker 3: What they want.

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Speaker 4: Somehow. So yeah, that was the.

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Speaker 2: One that I was like, oh no, oh no, you

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Speaker 2: kind of got it. There was no culd oh think

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Speaker 2: they got to a club.

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Speaker 4: He had hair.

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Speaker 3: Hair.

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Speaker 4: They went to hair.

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Speaker 2: They didn't get a brunch, but they I'm a liar,

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Speaker 2: they did go a bruh all right. You know, if

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a six, okay, because also helped you here.

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Speaker 4: I put you on a curve on that one.

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Speaker 8: You did.

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Speaker 3: You did help me because I also needed h.

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Speaker 2: A warning with those uncomfortable ones. But yeah, that's the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was a strange experience because it both felt

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Speaker 3: All right, fart and like, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: And I would love like if anyone can write in

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Speaker 3: I get that. That's then it's more people that I

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely this like back and forth of

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Speaker 2: This is very like conservative take to being like they

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Speaker 2: that's definitely on him. Yes, it is also portraying that

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Speaker 4: There's so many things on.

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Speaker 2: Majority of the people that I hang out with, I

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Speaker 2: And if they even find out they're lying, you're out.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm like, I'm out.

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Speaker 2: So maybe that's a different type of like beginning, I

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Speaker 2: they have any episodes about online dating other than your

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Speaker 2: old school like.

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Speaker 4: In a newspaper, right or chat room right.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess the thing is, like I've

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Speaker 1: actually been seeing a lot of conversations about this recently

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Speaker 1: since we have Happy Pride. Yeah, oh yeah, I have

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Speaker 1: been seeing a lot of conversations about this recently, and

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Speaker 1: it made me stop and think, because I feel like

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Speaker 1: Sean in this case, he was very open about you know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the like I'm not gay was confusing in this context,

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Speaker 1: but he was open about, you know, And there's been

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Speaker 1: conversations about people who didn't know exactly how they identified

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Speaker 1: until they got older, until they did try things or

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Speaker 1: they felt repressed in one way, and then it wasn't

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Speaker 1: until they went to college.

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Speaker 3: But feeling.

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Speaker 1: Like maybe Sean feels bad for Carrie, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like I wish I had known then that

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Speaker 1: that's what I was and I was dating you and

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that wasn't what I wanted And that

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Speaker 1: can be, like now a great feeling. And so I've

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Speaker 1: just seen some really interesting conversations happening about that lately.

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Speaker 3: Again, he was very he was like point like this

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Speaker 3: is me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's the other point of that. It's

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Speaker 4: like her.

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Speaker 2: Not discussed but like discontent in him being that open

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Speaker 2: and free about it really bothered her, really bothered her.

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Speaker 2: She's like like, he's from Colorado like that, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: how do you wanted to say it? Like dejected in

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Speaker 2: a quiet voice and shame to do? What do you

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Speaker 2: want him to do? Hide it from you because you'd

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Speaker 2: be more upset. Right when you meet the friends and

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Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, I used to say him exactly.

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Speaker 1: And we've run into this in several episodes recently. She

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Speaker 1: is a sex columnist, right, like she I feel like

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Speaker 1: she should if she's not.

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Speaker 3: Comfortable with it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, but I guess that's the flip coin of

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. But then you remove yourself from

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not comfortable with it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm gonna have to think about what that says.

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Speaker 2: But that's right, And her level of disgust and like

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Speaker 2: distrust in him was so high. So we've talked about

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Speaker 2: this before with like people in relationships with trans people

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Speaker 2: or people who are bisexual and feeling like they're in

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Speaker 2: danger if they tell them yes, like or they'll be

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Speaker 2: shamed very quickly if they tell them the truth, so

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Speaker 2: they do hide it, and then it becomes a bigger thing,

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Speaker 2: like all these things, and like they can't openly date,

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Speaker 2: freely date and trust the person they're dating, even though

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Speaker 2: they really think they can they would like to, but

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Speaker 2: then it ends up.

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Speaker 4: Back like these.

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Speaker 2: This is that kind of like that ground of like

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Speaker 2: this is a really dangerous scope and you're using this

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Speaker 2: as a comedy, you're using this as a plot line.

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Speaker 2: I believe the writer of this episode is a gay man.

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Speaker 2: Darren Starr is attributed as the writer who is a gay,

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Speaker 2: openly gay man, as well as Jenny Bricks and then

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Speaker 2: of course Candace Bushnell, who is the writer of the book,

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Speaker 2: author of the book, but like it.

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Speaker 4: It feels like he might. I don't know if he

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Speaker 4: did that on purpose.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he realized it, or if it

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Speaker 2: was just a scope of the early two thousands and

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Speaker 2: the way we saw bisexuality at that point in time.

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Speaker 2: Because at the very least like and just like that,

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Speaker 2: at least when they decided to do non binary folks,

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Speaker 2: they did treat them all with a little more respect,

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Speaker 2: not complete the respect that they deserved again because they

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Speaker 2: actually portrayed that character. Also, as I think chas as

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Speaker 2: over sex, willing to have sex with anybody, didn't care

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Speaker 2: who that their relationships are not type of thing.

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Speaker 4: That's a whole different conversation. I will say I.

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Speaker 2: Didn't I haven't watched the newest season. But all of

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Speaker 2: that to say is like, Okay, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you mean to do this, I don't know this is

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Speaker 2: an underlying thought process for you, or if you really

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Speaker 2: thought this was like an open conversation, so whatever, whatnot.

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Speaker 2: But it's not a great look. Maybe we're just looking

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Speaker 2: at it in a way that makes me defensive, maybe

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Speaker 2: because I do have friends who are bisexual men who

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Speaker 2: are like trying just to live their life. I have, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, like I have come to the point as

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Speaker 2: being I guess an elder millennial slash gen X, like

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Speaker 2: I'm on that line as a Zilli and neal, I guess,

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Speaker 2: And I like, this is part of my conversation in

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Speaker 2: college and then trying to figure that out. And I

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Speaker 2: didn't meet people who were bisexual. I met people who

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Speaker 2: were gay, or they weren't openly or having that conversation

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Speaker 2: of being that because I don't think they felt that

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Speaker 2: they could. If they were, they were typically women definitely

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Speaker 2: not men, which to me was an interesting conversation in

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Speaker 2: that self like.

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Speaker 4: They're just going through.

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Speaker 2: A period quote unquote, you know, and and it's just

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Speaker 2: the d like it's just kind of like the Katy

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Speaker 2: Perry song like I Kiss the Girl. It became a

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Speaker 2: fetishized idea of what it was, and that was a

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Speaker 2: college thing as well, so I feel like that was

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Speaker 2: just part of this. This seems like a feats into

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Speaker 2: that narrative and it feels very very like dangerous on

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Speaker 2: the scope of where we are today obviously with queer

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Speaker 2: laws were this is twenty four years later, we're watching

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Speaker 2: this twenty four years later, so the fact that this

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Speaker 2: narrative is still being spread is the concern, honestly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you brought up several points that

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Speaker 1: we should maybe come back and talk about later, which is,

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Speaker 1: you know, not feeling safe sharing your gender identity, so

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Speaker 1: there can be reasons to hide. And I also think

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Speaker 1: I had this conversation with my mom this weekend. My goodness,

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Speaker 1: if this was a different show, I would go into

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Speaker 1: the drama that is happening at her church. But one

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Speaker 1: of the things revolves around a lot of LGBTQ plus stuff,

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Speaker 1: which is happening in a lot of churches. And we've

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Speaker 1: talked about that in our religious series miniseries that we did.

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Speaker 1: But one thing she said at one point was like

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Speaker 1: and it was a gay guy that said that, And

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Speaker 1: I was like, just because a gay guy said that,

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Speaker 1: we're not for still people who have biases and can

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Speaker 1: make mistakes and can be wrong. We've talked before about

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Speaker 1: within the queer community there is unfortunately a lot of

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Speaker 1: there can be a lot of judgment and criticism, and

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Speaker 1: that's sort of been the history with bisexuality, with transgender

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Speaker 1: and having people judge that within the queer community. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I think our audience doesn't need the reminder,

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Speaker 1: but if anyone does, just just because someone's queer and

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Speaker 1: they make a queer thing doesn't mean.

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Speaker 3: Right without something we shouldn't look at and be like okay, wait, right, yes, right, yes, I.

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Speaker 2: Just crossed upon an Asian man from Georgia that does

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Speaker 2: a Republican conservative talk shows the way.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. I mean it's thank you for like any community, right.

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Speaker 1: I always say that about feminism is like it's not

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Speaker 1: a monolith, right, And this is interesting to me because

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Speaker 1: this was happening during like the third wave right, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of that in the third

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Speaker 1: wave was a very addressing gender stuff but still being

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Speaker 1: pretty gendered and.

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Speaker 2: Doing right right as we saw as we saw like

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Speaker 2: literally Miranda's whole thing was I'm not girly enough.

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Speaker 4: Well I guess I am girling because I like it.

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Speaker 2: Just like it went into it like being like okay,

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Speaker 2: you can be this and like still be a woman.

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Speaker 4: That's great, and then she goes, no, now really, I'm

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Speaker 4: looking at me cry and I'm like, oh, well you

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Speaker 4: broke that, so never mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an interesting time where they were like,

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Speaker 1: let's be feminine, but not the bad weak parts. But

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Speaker 1: doing so, it's saying that being feminine is still worse, right, right, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: things to criticize about how we do that media whereas

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Speaker 1: women always crying, but women do cry is like a

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Speaker 1: complicated mess.

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Speaker 2: The level, but like, it's interesting to see it written,

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Speaker 2: and again this is two thousands. Two thousands were a

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Speaker 2: lot of great things. It opened up a lot of

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Speaker 2: like conversations. But then like again, you know that it's

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Speaker 2: not too much from today, too much different from today,

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Speaker 2: which is probably why we're more frustrated. And I'm more

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Speaker 2: concerned than anything else, Like this is almost the same,

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Speaker 2: and this is a bad but this was part of

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Speaker 2: the foundation that why we can't break it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, unfortunately, but all right, well.

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