Speaker 1: Yo, what's up? You're off in God's Country with your
Speaker 1: boy and.
Speaker 2: Also known as the Brothers Hunt when we take a
Speaker 2: weekly drive to the intersection of country music and a
Speaker 2: great outdoors.
Speaker 1: Two things that go together like what's his name?
Speaker 2: Olick ole alex olex Sander you sick and being the
Speaker 2: heavyweight boxing baddest man champion on the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or a light blue member's only jacket and uh
Speaker 3: Steve Wilson Jr. He looked good at that brought to
Speaker 3: you Bye meat Eater.
Speaker 2: And two things that go together like the COVID and
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Speaker 1: My feet walking into Coves.
Speaker 2: Baby, you know you ain't be because the comes.
Speaker 1: Spontsman the show Bab. Yeah. Can we get a round
Speaker 1: of applause right there? Ray for that to Coba sponsorship.
Speaker 1: Stephen Wilson Jr.
Speaker 4: Wow he's cool.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, smartest guy I've ever seen, the smartest
Speaker 2: guy I've ever talked to ever seen.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: Just uh what a story.
Speaker 2: Uh incredible background boxer could knock anybody out at any
Speaker 2: given time. Inspiring writer, Inspiring songwriters, inspiring artists now too.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's very human. I mean, he's got a great story.
Speaker 3: He worked hard, he's been through many rounds in his life,
Speaker 3: and it's nice to see him. See him up here swinging,
Speaker 3: swinging in the in the finals.
Speaker 1: Nice. Nice, not there, you know that's right?
Speaker 4: We have it.
Speaker 1: Are we getting roasted?
Speaker 6: Yeah? We are.
Speaker 3: We got a good one to today coming from fourteen
Speaker 3: Jay Hudson, Brothers Hunt question Mark.
Speaker 1: Again, they keep doing that. Is this the same one?
Speaker 3: No, it's different, it's different. So he says, five stars,
Speaker 3: shout out. Thanks, that's why you got shout out out.
Speaker 3: Brothers Hunt, question Mark. So, Brothers Hunt. The only thing
Speaker 3: these guys hunt are high fits deer and Huck's pizza rolls.
Speaker 4: The two hundred inch deer paid for.
Speaker 3: I heard it only measured one sixty six, but they
Speaker 3: paid the deer farm for some spike shifts to glue
Speaker 3: on it. And after the shot, Dan looked like Luke
Speaker 3: Bryan's video asking if it was down?
Speaker 2: Where does he has he seen the video? I guess
Speaker 2: this guy's probably. I guess not because I did not
Speaker 2: ask if it was down?
Speaker 1: Is it Dale?
Speaker 3: I had no reason. I saw the deer go down?
Speaker 3: Is it now now? Look, I lost my mind after
Speaker 3: I walked up on it.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's I wonder this guy Jay hudd
Speaker 1: has seen the the face.
Speaker 2: Look, could that be j Hudson. No, it's probably that's
Speaker 2: probably a fake fourteen J Hudson sounds pretty legit. Probably
Speaker 2: what he wants you to think, Joshua Hudson, Wrap it up.
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Speaker 2: our five stars. I'll give that a pretty good night.
Speaker 2: Don't put a question mark anymore. Why are we putting
Speaker 2: question marks at the Brothers hunt. It's like four times.
Speaker 1: In a row. Let's played out.
Speaker 2: Hey, we love y'all. Thank you. Stephen Wilson Junior. You're
Speaker 2: gonna love it.
Speaker 4: He's so cool.
Speaker 1: Thanks hanging up.
Speaker 2: God's Country checking next sense, Hey we got currently on this.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five sold out US, sold out in all
Speaker 2: caps US tour. A two time Indiana State Golden Gloves
Speaker 2: boxing champ, his album Son of Dad was named the
Speaker 2: best album of twenty twenty three by Holler and All
Speaker 2: Country News, as one of the best albums of the
Speaker 2: year by Rolling Stone, Whiskey, Rift Wide, Open Country, Grand
Speaker 2: Grandy Smith.
Speaker 1: And more. I think it should have won a Grammy,
Speaker 1: just between me and you, a.
Speaker 2: Food scientist with dual degrees in micro biology and chemistry
Speaker 2: from Empty Issue, my old stomping grounds as well, by
Speaker 2: far the smartest person we've ever.
Speaker 1: Had in God's country.
Speaker 2: We got Steven Wilson Junior out in God's country.
Speaker 1: That's weak.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you, gentlemen, thank you for having.
Speaker 2: Men looking sharp with the blues, and thank you bar.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's painting what happy little truth? Who
Speaker 1: is that is that?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: It's the Golden Girls, the Golden Girls boys?
Speaker 4: Damn yeah what did you pick that up?
Speaker 6: I don't remember somewhere a long time ago. What I
Speaker 6: really love about it, though, is that it's actually not
Speaker 6: Barb Barross. It's actually almost because they didn't want to
Speaker 6: get sued, and it's not the Golden Girl's almost the
Speaker 6: Golden Girls. It's like incredible when I saw that as
Speaker 6: a guy, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a good shirt had in here.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: We've had some doozies too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're making you're breaking off that jack. It goes hard, though.
Speaker 3: I don't remember you being this hot last time I
Speaker 3: saw it. What did you get hotter? You're hot?
Speaker 1: No, been working on What do you do to be
Speaker 1: so hot? Steven?
Speaker 6: I box a lot.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 6: I do that. That's the only thing, and that don't
Speaker 6: make you. Our shows are pretty gnarly. Uh they're they're
Speaker 6: pretty high energy, so they keep me in shape, I guess,
Speaker 6: but I wouldn't. I would never consider myself hot. But
Speaker 6: thank you, congratulations, you made it. I'm I'm very flattered.
Speaker 1: By you've been.
Speaker 2: You've been grinding on the road, Like you were saying,
Speaker 2: how many shows a week?
Speaker 6: You'll play about four and then we kind of come
Speaker 6: home for a couple of days and then get back
Speaker 6: after it phil that. Yeah, it's been. It's been a
Speaker 6: fun new reality kind of pivoting from the songwriting life
Speaker 6: to the touring life. It's quite different. You know, I
Speaker 6: have a new sympathy slash empathy for artists. You know
Speaker 6: when I used to roll in to rights and an
Speaker 6: artist was like thirty minutes late. Uh, you know, I
Speaker 6: have a I understand it maybe more now because you know,
Speaker 6: like they'd been out busting their ass all weekend while
Speaker 6: I was like hunting, I was in a deer stand
Speaker 6: or something, and then Monday through Friday, and you know
Speaker 6: they're out there working and yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Like sounds like you're talking about you and us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I'm talking about me and me and you
Speaker 6: just because I've been in both seats. And yeah, it's
Speaker 6: a really cool new perspective to have on it.
Speaker 1: Is this your first time really, like really touring like here.
Speaker 6: Lately, yes, sir, Well as a country artist for sure,
Speaker 6: and within this realm of of how we do things.
Speaker 6: And I was in indie bands for uh quite some
Speaker 6: time through college, and so I did a good amount
Speaker 6: of touring, like the van and trailer touring basically you know,
Speaker 6: playing for nobody and yeah, just really a road grind.
Speaker 6: I did that for a couple of years before I
Speaker 6: got into my science career, so because I did that
Speaker 6: kind of parallel path while I was getting my degree,
Speaker 6: and like, there's actually a lot more like indie kids
Speaker 6: that are science nerds than you'd think interesting, especially in
Speaker 6: the indie scene, like the math rock scene, there was
Speaker 6: a lot of nerds and anyway, so I kind of
Speaker 6: came from that. So that's where the bulk of my
Speaker 6: performing and touring was really out of. So, but this
Speaker 6: whole new realm in the country world is totally different
Speaker 6: playing country festivals, you know, opening up for big country artists,
Speaker 6: all that. But we never did anything like that. So
Speaker 6: this is like a new world, but a similar hat
Speaker 6: to wear.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get into all that. Oh, we gotta we
Speaker 2: gotta start with uh. We like to do a theme
Speaker 2: called uh don't. That's my brand new guitar. Dude, don't
Speaker 2: be banging it around. Don't be banging it around.
Speaker 1: Bro, what you mad? What you're mad? Just tell us
Speaker 1: what it is. What you're mad at? Is it your
Speaker 1: in lost kids might be your boss? Man, Well, your
Speaker 1: neighbors can just tell us what you mad. It's gorgeous,
Speaker 1: thanks man. I loved it. Boys, that'll be out next Friday.
Speaker 1: Go stream it. We on the Masters.
Speaker 6: Say, yeah, you guys need to release that asad.
Speaker 4: Who's mad? Who's mad?
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like it's, if anything, a good
Speaker 6: in bed like just yeah I'm with us? Or small short?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah for sure, but you know it sufficient efficient, short,
Speaker 2: sweet to the point. You know, that's what they say.
Speaker 2: The new radio song is thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: That's what I word.
Speaker 4: Keep it between thirty one and thirty three seconds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really looking for that that mirrors the attention
Speaker 2: span of the listeners. Start with twenty five start with
Speaker 2: the hook. I don't know if you know this, but
Speaker 2: it's all science. Yeah, it's a chorus outro and that's
Speaker 2: it pre chorus.
Speaker 4: I'll stop talking about. What are you mad at?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 2: I'm mad at people at gas stations that pull into
Speaker 2: the gas spot and then get out and go inside
Speaker 2: and don't get gas and just park there. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, I do. I'm mad at that. That
Speaker 2: happened to me the other day. Yeah, at huffs and
Speaker 2: I was like, fumes, Bro, I'm one that I will.
Speaker 2: I'll run out of gas probably twice a month.
Speaker 4: Twice a month, seems weight.
Speaker 2: That's probably stretching it. That's probably for the that was
Speaker 2: probably to get a shock effect. Probably probably twice every year,
Speaker 2: twice a year. Yeah, I'll run out of gas.
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry. I've done many many times. Yeah, have
Speaker 6: you ever thought about the next time that happens? If
Speaker 6: they have like just the push, you know, you can
Speaker 6: get to their gas easily, and if they're on the
Speaker 6: gas side, I guess you just go fill up their tank.
Speaker 6: Oh and just blow their minds.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I was trying to help you get out. I
Speaker 2: need so I thought you need some Obviously you need
Speaker 2: a gas. That's That's what I'm gonna doing next time.
Speaker 1: I mean it's an expensive bit, right, it's a bit
Speaker 1: worth it. Yeah, we might teach them a lesson.
Speaker 4: Definitely be worth for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know you met anything. Am I mad at
Speaker 1: shying for I can't really. I talk about her every week.
Speaker 4: It feels like.
Speaker 3: Either traffic or his wife. I'd say this, I gotta do.
Speaker 3: I got a new puppy, and I'm I'm not mad
Speaker 3: at her because she's too sweet to be my But
Speaker 3: she's a giant.
Speaker 4: She's like a giant puppy.
Speaker 3: So she's probably mid forties parents, and she's eighteen weeks
Speaker 3: at this point, so she's gonna be a giant bulldog,
Speaker 3: American bulldog. I love them. I'll never go back. I
Speaker 3: love them so much. I love them. We're pit people,
Speaker 3: so uh but man, she's nippy, right, she's nippy.
Speaker 4: And then like it's fine for me.
Speaker 3: I have like a seven month old and whenever she comes,
Speaker 3: real excited to see the seven month.
Speaker 1: Old, I have to just.
Speaker 4: Hm, you know. Yeah, so I'm mad when I'm mad
Speaker 4: at her. Teeth are so.
Speaker 6: Sharp, especially than puppy teeth, my two year old says.
Speaker 2: My two year old says, Iris likes to play rough,
Speaker 2: but she's not trying to bite me. I just have
Speaker 2: to pop on the nose and say no. Because she's
Speaker 2: so huge.
Speaker 3: Everything is double right, Like when she jumps on you,
Speaker 3: it's double or triple what a normal puppy.
Speaker 4: So she's puppy.
Speaker 1: She's figuring it out. She's like if.
Speaker 3: I was a four year old man, be on your nerves, bro,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, your last let's jump into
Speaker 3: your lap and pull your hair and bite you on
Speaker 3: the sheet.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, get this giant. Yeah yeah, you beat
Speaker 1: me exactly. So I'm not really mad at her. I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of like, how much long it was this last?
Speaker 6: You know, it's frustrating.
Speaker 1: I gotta we gotta bite her. She'll buy the ship.
Speaker 4: Really, just just walk up and buy the ship.
Speaker 6: Probably if you walked up to her, she wouldn't like,
Speaker 6: probably run up to you to try to bite you.
Speaker 6: What she's well, we got the DNA thing doing on her,
Speaker 6: so she's half German shepherd, quarter pit pull quarter Siberian husky.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: I found her near the river and she's like, why,
Speaker 6: she's a wild Faraoh animal.
Speaker 1: And how old was she?
Speaker 6: We estimated maybe four to six months based off her teeth,
Speaker 6: but she was super mountainourished and really mistreated, super scared
Speaker 6: of humans, Like it took them hours to get her
Speaker 6: in my car, but she was so like desperate.
Speaker 2: The fact somebody can drop a puppy off on the
Speaker 2: side of the road by the river.
Speaker 6: Blows my mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, people, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: She had bad life before me, so like we we
Speaker 6: have a lot of grace for her aggression towards just
Speaker 6: she's an incredible guard dog, yeah yeah, but and she
Speaker 6: loves us and she's honestly one of the best dogs
Speaker 6: I've ever had outside of like, you know, you just
Speaker 6: got to be careful with who she's around.
Speaker 1: True, And there's just some dogs that are like that,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we.
Speaker 6: All grew up with people that had dogs like that. Like, yeah,
Speaker 6: the product Yard, it's a great joke about that. Don't
Speaker 6: go out there, don't go out back. There's a wolf
Speaker 6: out there. And I man, I got bit by all
Speaker 6: my friends as dogs. I don't know you did his kids?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: By dogs?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like there they just how you want to go
Speaker 1: out back and play? You go play, you get bit
Speaker 1: by the dogs. That's right, it's part of it. You
Speaker 1: bet a flash. Oh yeah, freaking dog baby one time.
Speaker 3: So we used to have a neighbor had a giant
Speaker 3: giant it was just a basket hound.
Speaker 1: You got bit by a basket houn. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 1: I fell on its ear and it was like, oh
Speaker 1: it would fall on its ears. That's how. That's how
Speaker 1: long it was.
Speaker 3: Like what do I do with this? I guess I
Speaker 3: just but it wasn't like a bad bite. I was
Speaker 3: just kind of like, get off the dog. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: feel them.
Speaker 1: Well. I love dogs. Are you mad anything? Oh?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Pick anything.
Speaker 6: Man. What frustrates me is, uh, when you're at a
Speaker 6: gas station or something and someone's paying for something and
Speaker 6: uh and they take for they the purchase is complete,
Speaker 6: the goods are in hand, and then they just start
Speaker 6: putting all their stuff away.
Speaker 1: Like and in purse.
Speaker 6: It's all got to be back in before they get
Speaker 6: out of line. They can't just move over plenty.
Speaker 1: Just slide, just get out. Oh I need a receipt.
Speaker 1: They got to get the receipt. It put away.
Speaker 2: I wish it was okay a little pocket. I wish
Speaker 2: it was okay to nudge somebody.
Speaker 6: It was just like really, yeah, that that really irks.
Speaker 1: We're at a gas station. That means we're in a
Speaker 1: hurry to get somewhere.
Speaker 6: We don't want to put Even if I not in
Speaker 6: a hurry, it's like like three or I mean ten
Speaker 6: seconds of my life, I'll never get back.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, You got to get keep
Speaker 4: keep moving.
Speaker 6: I don't know, I just feel like it's inconsiderate.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of in consideration going around out there, guys.
Speaker 4: Five man.
Speaker 6: Sometimes when people back into parking lots when they don't
Speaker 6: need to.
Speaker 1: Sometimes of the truck you have to.
Speaker 6: There are moments when you need to back into a
Speaker 6: parking lot, for sure, But when you obstruct the flow
Speaker 6: of traffic to back in.
Speaker 1: For three minutes and considerate like it's sick.
Speaker 6: Of six and one half is why are you doing that?
Speaker 6: There's there's no reason for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna have to back out eventually, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's you're going to reverse.
Speaker 3: And sometimes that's even harder to get out of a
Speaker 3: parking space when you do that than just pulling up
Speaker 3: in the bit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah and easy. What happens is like, you know,
Speaker 6: you're coming behind them and they're like, no, I'm backing in.
Speaker 4: Wait wait so I need.
Speaker 1: To somebody behind you? Run over somebody?
Speaker 6: Yeah, buddies, lawsuit people are grabbing.
Speaker 1: Somebody's going to jail. It's not good for anybody.
Speaker 6: Unnecessary.
Speaker 1: That's a great segment.
Speaker 4: I love.
Speaker 1: That's a great Watching mad at what.
Speaker 6: You're bad at would be a good one to just
Speaker 6: throwing that in there. What's you're bad at?
Speaker 1: I'm bad at. Let's do that. What's your bad what's
Speaker 1: you bad at? Uh?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm bad at. I'm bad at bowling.
Speaker 1: I'm bad at basketball.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty good at like most things like.
Speaker 1: Sports, straight up bowling.
Speaker 3: I'm like my five year old could probably like contest
Speaker 3: my score bowling. It's rare that I get over one hundred.
Speaker 6: I'm not great at bowling. What happened like a random
Speaker 6: great day though, I say, like, I don't know how.
Speaker 6: I just like throwing like seven strikes in a row.
Speaker 1: I've never done that.
Speaker 6: Oh I've done that before, but then I'm like, have
Speaker 6: the worst game ever basketball. I just am like and
Speaker 6: I grew up in southern Indiana where everybody, everybody at
Speaker 6: least decent at basketball, and I was so bad. I
Speaker 6: hated and I hate. I hate basketball. It's the squeaking
Speaker 6: of the shoes. There's so much. If you just sit
Speaker 6: around and listen to all the squeaks, it's millions.
Speaker 4: It is that. It is that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just as good.
Speaker 6: That was good.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, millions of squeaks.
Speaker 3: Maybe we should all squeak and then it'll sound about
Speaker 3: squeaky support.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just brutal.
Speaker 3: I could see how that the balls here and the
Speaker 3: bulls there.
Speaker 6: The ball.
Speaker 2: Do you like other sports at all? Do you like
Speaker 2: any other sports? Desids boxing?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 1: I like baseball.
Speaker 6: I think baseball is kind of timeless, and I like
Speaker 6: just the kind of the chess game behind it, all
Speaker 6: the all the potential possibilities of plays, and I get
Speaker 6: that that's with a lot of team sports. But and
Speaker 6: baseball is just kind of chill. But I'm kind of
Speaker 6: into boxing and combat sports.
Speaker 1: Did you did you did you grow up playing?
Speaker 2: We know you started boxing when you were five from
Speaker 2: good Uh did you play any other sports or were you?
Speaker 1: Was it combat sports? Just from the from the yeah,
Speaker 1: I played baseball and basketball. I hated it.
Speaker 6: I played football, was too small, but I actually liked football,
Speaker 6: but I just wasn't any.
Speaker 1: Good at it.
Speaker 6: But I liked baseball and I was decent at it
Speaker 6: as far as team sports go. But in southern Indiana
Speaker 6: we didn't have soccer. That wasn't really the thing, so
Speaker 6: I didn't really get to try that in any other sports.
Speaker 6: But I just grew up in a boxing family, so
Speaker 6: it was just really that made a lot more sense
Speaker 6: to me because the loss was on me. I hated
Speaker 6: with team sports. I didn't really care that much about
Speaker 6: winning or losing as much as a lot of other
Speaker 6: people did. Like you know, kids would like cry after losing.
Speaker 6: I never did. I was like, what the hell y'all
Speaker 6: crying about?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: And uh and uh. But you know what I really
Speaker 6: hated is like letting the team down, Like if like
Speaker 6: I did something wrong is the reason why we lost,
Speaker 6: like or you know whatever, that whole dynamic of being
Speaker 6: responsible or every for someone else's someone else's emotions or
Speaker 6: someone else's when or Yeah, I liked being responsible for
Speaker 6: it solely for that with boxing, like it's your loss,
Speaker 6: Like yes, I'm I only have to manage my emotions,
Speaker 6: nobody else totally.
Speaker 2: I think that's why I love golf so much at
Speaker 2: my age now is because of that same that same
Speaker 2: point is is that it's it's out of every I
Speaker 2: can't I can't blame anybody else.
Speaker 1: I can't blame it.
Speaker 2: I got I control everything, and the score of the
Speaker 2: at the end of the round is on me and
Speaker 2: on me solely, And if I want to get better
Speaker 2: at it, I work on it individually, and there's nobody
Speaker 2: that can make me better, make me worse.
Speaker 1: It's only it's only me.
Speaker 6: I think golf and boxing are very good compare it
Speaker 6: is because it's kind of a you get what you
Speaker 6: you get what you put into it. Really, I don't
Speaker 6: think a lot of people are just born like incredible
Speaker 6: golfers or born incredible boxers. It's like, really, like, how
Speaker 6: hard are you willing to work at this really to
Speaker 6: get good at it?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm asking because I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think some people have more natural like athleticism than that.
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, like boxing is,
Speaker 6: you know, there's some people that can throw a punch right,
Speaker 6: take it wrong. But when you get into boxing and
Speaker 6: the technique, it takes so Much's the lifetime of training
Speaker 6: all the same with golf. From I understanding, it takes
Speaker 6: like how how many competitors are you willing to put
Speaker 6: an end of this? It's really going to determine how
Speaker 6: good you are. I feel like any champion could be
Speaker 6: made if they were determined enough.
Speaker 1: And I had.
Speaker 4: I had no idea possible?
Speaker 1: Was that?
Speaker 6: I think?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean there's some people that may argue
Speaker 6: with that, but I think.
Speaker 1: You know me Indiana gold Gloves State champ.
Speaker 6: Well, let me correct that that my dad was because
Speaker 6: my dad and I have the same name, Like he
Speaker 6: was a champion. I did fight in the Golden Gloves.
Speaker 6: Oh I wasn't like a two time champion. Oh gosh,
Speaker 6: like all my me and my brother we were all.
Speaker 6: I was a runner up. I almost won the championship,
Speaker 6: but I got to the championship and that was That
Speaker 6: was gnarly. But my dad, actually he wanted a couple
Speaker 6: of times. He was in at like four or five
Speaker 6: times in a row. Because my dad was like a
Speaker 6: baby raising a baby. He was eighteen nineteen or so.
Speaker 6: Nineteen Yeah, when I was born. Wow, So you know,
Speaker 6: like he was twenty four fighting in the Golden Gloves
Speaker 6: and I was like four or five watching him do that,
Speaker 6: so like he was really young still that's all you knew.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was.
Speaker 6: Watching him do this the crazy shit like year after
Speaker 6: year after year after year, and because he really couldn't
Speaker 6: do it professionally anymore because of obligation to parenthood and whatnot.
Speaker 6: That's really what he wanted.
Speaker 1: To do is go be a pro bot. Yeah so
Speaker 1: your brother. I didn't know you had a brother. How
Speaker 1: was he older?
Speaker 4: Younger than you?
Speaker 6: He's a year and like four months younger. We're like
Speaker 6: Irish twins, so perfect sparring partners. Our first fight was
Speaker 6: each other, like first sanctioned, like, oh for real fight,
Speaker 6: because you know they need we would like they'd have
Speaker 6: kid fights open up for the adult fights, so we
Speaker 6: would open up for my dad's fights.
Speaker 3: Paint me a picture of what this looks like. So
Speaker 3: you've got I mean, is it are we talking like?
Speaker 4: Small?
Speaker 1: Are people in the audience are that like? Is it
Speaker 1: huge deal?
Speaker 4: Is it little deal? I mean, what are we talking about?
Speaker 6: These are at these Powell clubs police athletically, so they
Speaker 6: were actually ran by the the police of Indianapolis and
Speaker 6: Louisville and Cincinnati all that, and usually that's where they
Speaker 6: would they would sanction these fights. They were usually kind
Speaker 6: of dinner tables around them, cigar smoking.
Speaker 1: They were always packed, wow ticket ticket of advance ticket av.
Speaker 6: Yeah, psych, a lot of probably cops and commissioners and whatnot.
Speaker 6: And yeah, then there would be like twelve fights. I
Speaker 6: think of it like a bill, like a festival bill.
Speaker 6: But of the twelve, like the first three would be kids.
Speaker 6: And we would be in that first three.
Speaker 1: Or whatever what age we talk about six.
Speaker 6: Years old and so my yeah, my brother was probably
Speaker 6: six and I was seven when we first did our
Speaker 6: proper fight, and we like we couldn't find another kid
Speaker 6: of our same weight class. So they were like, hey,
Speaker 6: you guys just want to fight each other. Oh, we
Speaker 6: beat the hell up. They lived like rocking soccing robots.
Speaker 6: It's just like NonStop punching. It's hilarious because there's no
Speaker 6: technique at that age. You just learn how to kind
Speaker 6: of like duck and and just learn how to like
Speaker 6: connect a good punch. At that age, it's pretty you're
Speaker 6: just it's all just nerves.
Speaker 1: But it was fun. You know.
Speaker 6: We you know, people will go crazy. That's kind of
Speaker 6: where I first got in front of a crowd, you know,
Speaker 6: because they're like you know, boxing crowds are they're kind
Speaker 6: of like wrap yeah and the like, and they're again
Speaker 6: it's red and blue.
Speaker 1: It's color coordinated.
Speaker 6: So you'd have like red head gear, red gloves, and
Speaker 6: this red band around your gloves. They'll signify your corner.
Speaker 6: Red corner, blue corner. Under I think there was a
Speaker 6: lot under the table gambling going on based on the
Speaker 6: enthusiasm of which they were yelling these colors.
Speaker 1: Uh, they would be.
Speaker 6: Like red, red, come on, please God red, like you know,
Speaker 6: like my kids kids, red, knock him out. Red, And
Speaker 6: you know they just be screaming in your color and
Speaker 6: you just hear these colors being screamed interest, like knowing
Speaker 6: that you're red, like, well, I better start swinging and
Speaker 6: uh uh. But yeah, that was a lot of it,
Speaker 6: and I remember cigar smoke and the smell of rubbing
Speaker 6: alcohol and yeah, it was just uh it was kind
Speaker 6: of feral event, but really like well organized. And then
Speaker 6: we just do that every year. A lot of like
Speaker 6: the Golden glove preliminaries were held at these kind of
Speaker 6: pow clubs, and so yeah, that was kind of our
Speaker 6: life growing up, is what we did on the weekends.
Speaker 6: And and my dad would go beat the ship out
Speaker 6: of some dude and we go home, or he'd get
Speaker 6: the ship beat out of it.
Speaker 1: That's why I beat the ship out of the dude.
Speaker 6: As you know, I've seen him like have to like
Speaker 6: peel his eyes open in the morning just to see us.
Speaker 1: So how does that?
Speaker 3: I mean, I've I've never watched my dad in a fight, Like,
Speaker 3: how how do you as a child process? I would
Speaker 3: assume you would be like, like you would get mad
Speaker 3: about somebody punching your dad in the fat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember like getting mad about it, but you know,
Speaker 6: you get you know, it's a part of it.
Speaker 3: So what would he say after losing a fight? What
Speaker 3: would how would how would?
Speaker 6: I mean, he would always be bummed out about it,
Speaker 6: just as a competitor, but he was always good with it,
Speaker 6: Like it wasn't like super devasting.
Speaker 3: That's what's so crazy to me about about that, because
Speaker 3: I could see how if you're playing like if me
Speaker 3: and Reid were playing golf and I beat him which
Speaker 3: would never happen. But if it did, if it did,
Speaker 3: like he would be pissed off about it. But like,
Speaker 3: coming from like a fighting standpoint, I would assume there
Speaker 3: would be such so much more emotion involved.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, there's so much preparation. You get ready for
Speaker 6: like six months for that whole fighting for one fight
Speaker 6: or like one set of fights, a series of fights.
Speaker 6: So you spent half the year getting ready to like
Speaker 6: kind of fight for a few months like tuesday, about
Speaker 6: a month and a half or so, like you know,
Speaker 6: depending on how many people are in your weight division two.
Speaker 6: Like that's really how it all happens too.
Speaker 4: But is there any.
Speaker 3: Fight you look back on, either you were in or
Speaker 3: your dad were in, that just resonates you can remember
Speaker 3: exactly how it went down, either winning or losing.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I remember all my fights very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: There, I remember getting hit really hard. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 6: I remember the crowd looking like a kaleidoscope. I thought,
Speaker 6: this dude in Kentucky once getting like it was like
Speaker 6: a warm up fight for the Golden Gloves because I
Speaker 6: needed I needed actually a couple more fights to get
Speaker 6: ready for that one. But so we drove down to Kentucky,
Speaker 6: and and I weight in and everything, and my opponent
Speaker 6: didn't show up. It happens a lot in boxing. Either
Speaker 6: they get sick, or they don't feel like they're gonna
Speaker 6: make weight so they just don't show up, or they
Speaker 6: just checking out. Happened all the time. A lot of
Speaker 6: people don't want to fight. People fighting another man kind
Speaker 6: of sucks.
Speaker 1: Some christy, I can't imagine.
Speaker 6: But but anyway, this this was this situation. We drove
Speaker 6: two and a half hours or whatever, and then this
Speaker 6: other dude he was like a good, like twenty pounds
Speaker 6: heavier than me. His opponent didn't show up.
Speaker 4: Well, what do you know?
Speaker 6: Perfect, It's like and he you know, he was from Kentucky.
Speaker 6: He didn't really drive far, but he wanted to fight.
Speaker 6: It's like, do you want to fight? Like this is
Speaker 6: kind of gonna be like a catchweight fight. But I
Speaker 6: needed to fight somebody.
Speaker 1: You're ready, you're prepared.
Speaker 6: To ye, I'm ready, you know that way. And I
Speaker 6: really just needed like, you know, experience in the ring.
Speaker 6: And I had to fight this dude that was way
Speaker 6: bigger than me. And uh, and and I beat him,
Speaker 6: you know, I beat him in the fight. And uh,
Speaker 6: but the first first couple of rounds. The first round especially,
Speaker 6: I was like I really put it on him, like
Speaker 6: he was just not a really good boxer. He's just
Speaker 6: big puncher, really big punchery. Like he was really he
Speaker 6: was trying to kill.
Speaker 1: Me and if he had connected, probably might might have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I was.
Speaker 6: Had really good defense. My dad taught me out to
Speaker 6: duck before he taught me out to punch, so and
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed making people miss. That was like my game.
Speaker 6: I loved it, like, you know, more so than even countering.
Speaker 6: But I would counter and I was doing a great
Speaker 6: job doing I cut his eye really bad, and it
Speaker 6: was he was really upset about it. He was he's
Speaker 6: getting really emotional. You could tell he's really frustrated and
Speaker 6: he just didn't have the boxing skills. And then the
Speaker 6: third round you could tell, like, you know, his corner,
Speaker 6: like my I remember my dad telling me his corner's
Speaker 6: telling him that this is it. You know, what is
Speaker 6: that about to get beat by a smaller guy if
Speaker 6: you don't give him hell? And he came out like
Speaker 6: hell in his eyes and he just swung and swung
Speaker 6: and and Swayne just didn't stop and I couldn't dodge
Speaker 6: all of them. So I got hit with like three
Speaker 6: or four really clean punches by him, and that's when
Speaker 6: I saw the kaleidoscope. I was like, like we locked
Speaker 6: up for a second, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 6: holy shit, everybody was like and I recovered in like
Speaker 6: ten seconds, but he was so gassed from his burst
Speaker 6: that he like he couldn't even hold his hands up
Speaker 6: after that, and then like I could just kind of
Speaker 6: coast out for the next minute and then finished the
Speaker 6: round and he may have arguably won that round because
Speaker 6: of that, but maybe, Yeah, I definitely beat him the
Speaker 6: first two, so I won.
Speaker 4: So it was wow.
Speaker 6: That was a that was a fun I very much
Speaker 6: remember that fight like every and I remember like driving home,
Speaker 6: you know, talking to my dad about it, you know,
Speaker 6: probably mildly concussed and yeah, but I just remember like
Speaker 6: how excited my dad was and how like, I don't know,
Speaker 6: he just he could talk about boxing forever, and you know,
Speaker 6: like when you come back from like a baseball game
Speaker 6: you won, and it was kind of like that same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's probably a little more.
Speaker 2: There's probably I mean, like our dad, we won you know,
Speaker 2: big games and had big hits and all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, and our dad got pump because he was
Speaker 2: a baseball player, right, like almost played in the league
Speaker 2: and and that whole thing. But like, I can't imagine
Speaker 2: watching your son go up against somebody that's not that
Speaker 2: he's not supposed to beat, and especially in a pinch
Speaker 2: like that, Like he you took that fight on a whim,
Speaker 2: somebody that you shouldn't be in a ring with, and
Speaker 2: and you know one came out on top of that.
Speaker 6: I would be Yeah, he was pumped about it. I
Speaker 6: remember that that was kind of the yeah, basically the theme.
Speaker 6: And you know he was my corner man too, so
Speaker 6: you know it's probably you know, it's not just random kid.
Speaker 6: It's like his son, you know, no doubt man, Like
Speaker 6: he's like, you know, it probably sucked, yeah for him
Speaker 6: to watch me get hit like that. Oh sure and
Speaker 6: be like damn it, like I could throw the talent
Speaker 6: any minute and in this right now.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's just it's you know, it's a dynamic I
Speaker 6: never really understood as a kid until I got older,
Speaker 6: and uh, yeah, it's that's that's pretty intense.
Speaker 4: Oh, I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: All right, we got to get a little game for you.
Speaker 1: We're gonna. I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say two names, and you say who
Speaker 2: would win in a boxing match?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna no talk, no discussion about it. You
Speaker 3: just say this guy would win, this guy would Okay,
Speaker 3: Trump for Biden boxing match. I'm not talking about a president.
Speaker 6: We're not trying to right now, not like ding ding
Speaker 6: right here, man, My money's on Biden, Okay. I think
Speaker 6: he might like come out and just I don't know
Speaker 6: the old man. I don't think Trump can fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he looks a little.
Speaker 6: People that talk about how good they can fight are
Speaker 6: the ones that almost always can't.
Speaker 1: List take that to heart.
Speaker 6: I've never heard a dude, I've never heard of politician
Speaker 6: ever talk about how much they can fight. Besides, is he.
Speaker 4: Talking about how you can fight?
Speaker 6: He does, yeah, yeah, he talks about how he's a
Speaker 6: great fighter and.
Speaker 1: You can't fight. Yeah, okay, here we go. Don't know
Speaker 1: okay right now, right now, Tyson holy Field.
Speaker 6: Oh shoot right now, Tyson?
Speaker 1: Yeah, bi yeah, Al Dean, Luke Bryan.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, My money's on al Dean.
Speaker 1: All right, Hardy or Morgan.
Speaker 6: Ship that'd be a drawl, okay, scrappers, crappers, all right,
Speaker 6: Luke Combs jelly roll uh oh, Jelly a jelly boxer
Speaker 6: talked a lot about rocks and yeah, jeep him.
Speaker 1: All right, Mega Maroney, Laney, Wilson.
Speaker 6: Laney.
Speaker 1: What that? Miranda or Ella Langley?
Speaker 6: Mm oh, I saim Miranda. I'm sorry, I would too.
Speaker 6: I don't know Ella enough.
Speaker 4: She's scrappy dog, she scraped.
Speaker 3: I'm sure she is too, She's Alabama scrappy.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 6: I think Musk, Yeah, I would do. He gotta be ches, yeah,
Speaker 6: chess Zuckerberg. Yeah, he might throw him at an arm
Speaker 6: bar or something. But I feel like Elon might just
Speaker 6: body slam him or something.
Speaker 1: Okay, weird one. Mickey Mouse Donald Duck.
Speaker 3: Donald Donald Wait wait, I wanted I want to know
Speaker 3: psyche behind why you got you went Donald so fast?
Speaker 6: Everything else was so I just I just don't think
Speaker 6: Mickey has that dog in him.
Speaker 1: He's got that mouse in him.
Speaker 6: Bro, Yeah, he ain't got that duck in him.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Like ducks are tough. What are we talking about?
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 6: Shut Yeah, I just think he got that duck. Donald
Speaker 6: got that dog in him he's gonna. It's just more
Speaker 6: of an attitude.
Speaker 1: I mean he gets mad.
Speaker 2: He gets mad a little bit. A grizzly or a gorilla.
Speaker 2: We're boxing here, a grizzly.
Speaker 6: I got to Yeah those claws, man, you can't with that.
Speaker 1: Okay, last one?
Speaker 4: Me or Dan? Don't say draw? Don't say draw.
Speaker 6: Dan?
Speaker 4: God, dang it. Wow, look at I'll put it right
Speaker 4: now that.
Speaker 1: Look at that that he's got it that he fixed
Speaker 1: his hair this morning, Steven.
Speaker 4: I had to look how good he looks.
Speaker 1: Jeez, just because you didn't somebody else.
Speaker 6: Tough one.
Speaker 1: I have a brother to me, that's why.
Speaker 4: Because we win. I mean we just went that.
Speaker 6: He probably whooped my ass, but he's he's probably he
Speaker 6: was actually a better boxer than me. He's an incredible boxer.
Speaker 3: How much would it take for me to knock you
Speaker 3: out in this room right now? How much money for.
Speaker 1: My asked boxing questions?
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm just asking for me that this gotta take
Speaker 6: a clean shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, I would rather pay to watch you knock
Speaker 2: down now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, millions. You couldn knock him. He would take millions
Speaker 1: for just man, you could kill me?
Speaker 4: Well, no, I couldn't. I'm just saying, you're.
Speaker 1: Looking to see those arms. Dudes, Okay, I kill you sixteens.
Speaker 1: It doesn't take a lot about it.
Speaker 3: Back on now listen, I'm just saying, I like, that's
Speaker 3: what I'm wondering. Like everybody has a number, right, Like
Speaker 3: if somebody walked and said, okay, I'm gonna knock you out,
Speaker 3: will you take five hundred thousand dollars?
Speaker 4: I would? Yeah, I take that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wondering what the number is.
Speaker 4: What's yours?
Speaker 6: Are you going to land on like a mattress?
Speaker 4: You put a mattress behind me?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you understand the conditions. I'm not going to hit
Speaker 6: my head on a heart.
Speaker 4: No, No, we're putting everything.
Speaker 3: It's just like you get a knockout. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: talking about west ankle.
Speaker 6: Like boom, Yeah, I mean, do you break my jaw?
Speaker 6: Amount of work for true.
Speaker 1: I go, I go the same I go a tractor
Speaker 1: so thirty jeez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you gave me a John Dear bucket with
Speaker 2: a bucket, and and you gave me you like Steve.
Speaker 1: Bush Hog and a dish we're tailor, Yeah, let.
Speaker 2: I let I'd let him knock me out, all right?
Speaker 2: Soybody tractor from mocking me.
Speaker 1: Outne's probably a little over than that.
Speaker 4: I'd probably take forty.
Speaker 2: Stephen's like, oh man, hey you talked about earlier. Thanks
Speaker 2: for just obviously just vomiting a lot of boxing information
Speaker 2: that we probably of.
Speaker 6: Course, and I asked way too much. Just uh an enthusiast.
Speaker 6: I am no expert. There are boxing coaches that know
Speaker 6: just like volumes. Yeah, but it's awesome.
Speaker 2: It's it's also to talk to It's also to talk
Speaker 2: to somebody that knows that though knows anything about it,
Speaker 2: because we don't talk to people that know anything about boxing.
Speaker 2: I love watching fights and and uh and and my
Speaker 2: dad was a huge boxing fan. No one's a huge,
Speaker 2: but like we watched all the big fights and and
Speaker 2: and all that. So it's fun to hear somebody talk
Speaker 2: about it like you do.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's very cerebral. A lot of people think
Speaker 6: it's it is brutal, but it is brilliant too, Like
Speaker 6: when you see the the real technicians out there, it's
Speaker 6: like playing chess with your fists, and you really want
Speaker 6: to so much more.
Speaker 1: I want to ask so much. I don't know.
Speaker 6: That's so interesting when you see all the setups and
Speaker 6: you see the traps, and you see what they're willing
Speaker 6: to take to set up a trap. You see, can
Speaker 6: or take a he'll take a left hook just so
Speaker 6: he can set it. Yeah, to think that he's going
Speaker 6: to take it again, but this time he won't be there, yea.
Speaker 6: To be willing to take a punch, to give a
Speaker 6: punch to get somewhere. Yeah, and to see that whole
Speaker 6: pretty beautiful.
Speaker 4: It's kind of beautiful.
Speaker 6: It's a great, great little dance.
Speaker 1: I could talk about it. Yeah, I could too.
Speaker 2: Hey, you talked about like being in a deer stand
Speaker 2: earlier and that whole thing.
Speaker 1: Where.
Speaker 2: How did the outdoors play into your childhood or did
Speaker 2: it was your dad?
Speaker 6: I mean that's always I still want to be in
Speaker 6: the woods. I always wanted to be in the woods.
Speaker 6: I love it, loved it, and you know.
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 6: I started hunting very young, squirrel hunting, a rabbit hunting,
Speaker 6: and yeah, it just how we started squirrels. We had
Speaker 6: a lot of squirrels growing on. Come on, and my
Speaker 6: dad could cook him really well.
Speaker 1: Frown biscuits and gravy or how'd he do them?
Speaker 6: He would usually uh, when we'd skin him, cut him
Speaker 6: in half. And then put him in a baking dish,
Speaker 6: like a glass baking dish, and then he'd put him
Speaker 6: in the oven kind of like two like two twenty
Speaker 6: like low lolow roasting. Yeah, it's like slow and low
Speaker 6: kind of I don't remember how long, like an hour
Speaker 6: ninety because they're not big, you know, just cook them
Speaker 6: a long and then you pull them out and then
Speaker 6: you barbecue them, like slather them with barbecue like flash girl,
Speaker 6: and then get that broiler on on top of that
Speaker 6: broiler and just let it caramelize.
Speaker 1: That's made right there, dude.
Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, I would eat there right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was really good. That's we'd eat that on Sunday.
Speaker 6: Just try to pick the buckshot out of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, damn, that'll hurt you.
Speaker 6: It'll hurt your Yeah, it's probably not good for you either,
Speaker 6: good for but yeah, I mean that's you know where
Speaker 6: I started hunting, and we always like processed everything, like
Speaker 6: and white tails. You know, I didn't you know, start
Speaker 6: hunting white tail until I got old enough to we
Speaker 6: get to go sit out in the woods by myself,
Speaker 6: you know, Like my dad wanted to teach me hunting,
Speaker 6: but he also didn't want to be bothered with all.
Speaker 6: Like he was like, you're kind of on your own
Speaker 6: out here, dude, And he was very you know, because
Speaker 6: we didn't. My dad didn't hunt out of stands very
Speaker 6: often growing up, and he always killed really big deer.
Speaker 6: He had a twenty gauge single shot he paid eighty
Speaker 6: dollars for Walmart, and he would shoot those rifled slugs
Speaker 6: out of it. He's a yeah, and he would go
Speaker 6: out and scout and for a couple of weeks before
Speaker 6: opening day kind of see where they're moving. And he
Speaker 6: would sit his back up against a tree on a
Speaker 6: ridge with his twenty gauge and usually a big buck.
Speaker 1: We could just come walk in through.
Speaker 6: That valley and boom pop them about thirty forty yards
Speaker 6: and he'd be dragging a deer out of there almost
Speaker 6: every time. And then he would go park me I
Speaker 6: got one hundred yards plus leaning up against a tree
Speaker 6: on another ridge, hoping that we would kind of scare
Speaker 6: one each other's way or something. And so my first
Speaker 6: deer hunting was really just like freezing my ass up,
Speaker 6: my ass off up against the tree because you know
Speaker 6: that ground is cold, so cold, and uh, and you
Speaker 6: know you just kind of dig out a little spot
Speaker 6: set up against the tree, and you're just out there
Speaker 6: for hours, like watching the sun come up in the dark.
Speaker 2: And uh, I'm on a ridge right now in Wayne
Speaker 2: County listening to you say this, Like I know the
Speaker 2: tree I'm sitting on in my childhood, watching the watching all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So there were no deer stands really at that time,
Speaker 6: but then we eventually got into deer stands because it
Speaker 6: just became easier to have like a spot that was
Speaker 6: consistent and uh, and that's what I've hunted white tail
Speaker 6: out of, mostly because.
Speaker 1: I got into our tree and stuff.
Speaker 6: And it's just when you get into that aspect though,
Speaker 6: it's very hard to shoot him on the ground, but
Speaker 6: you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you still try to. You still try to get
Speaker 1: out there, still try to hot when you got to.
Speaker 6: When I have time, it's his time is becoming rare
Speaker 6: and rare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if you're playing, if you're playing four shows
Speaker 3: a week, you ain't got time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like to go out and proper scout and get
Speaker 6: your places set. There's just so much preparation and deer
Speaker 6: hunting for sure, and yeah, if you're going to do
Speaker 6: it right, and you know, if you're gonna shoot archery.
Speaker 6: You need to be out there and shooting your arrows.
Speaker 1: You got.
Speaker 6: There's all kinds of reasons.
Speaker 4: You take your bowt with you on the road.
Speaker 6: Uh no, I should. But is this hard to find
Speaker 6: a place to safely?
Speaker 1: Yeah, people get weird.
Speaker 6: That's a that's a quick arrow.
Speaker 2: I think we found I found bow hunting later in
Speaker 2: life too. My dad did a little bit, but but
Speaker 2: he was more, you know, rifle hunter, rifle season. And
Speaker 2: I found bow later in life. Archery and and and honestly,
Speaker 2: to me, man, it's I don't I don't think I
Speaker 2: knew it at the time, but it was it was
Speaker 2: more of a therapy than anything else for me, just
Speaker 2: to clear my mind and and and get out there
Speaker 2: and something else right, like like boxing or golf. Like
Speaker 2: nobody is doing it for you. You're you're doing it
Speaker 2: by yourself. And and and you either hit where you're
Speaker 2: aimed or you don't, and and and you messed up
Speaker 2: if you don't, you know. And so it's figuring out
Speaker 2: how to get that arrow back to to to on target.
Speaker 2: And I just I love it, man, I still do.
Speaker 2: I still love it.
Speaker 1: I love archery season, I love bow hunting. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 6: I like muzzleloader hunting. That's my favorite season of the
Speaker 6: guns season. We grew up hunting muzzleloaders later, but my
Speaker 6: dad always twenty gage shot.
Speaker 1: That was a single shot no matter what season.
Speaker 6: Yeah right, you know, just rifled, slug matter, never anything
Speaker 6: else hardcore about it. Had like electrical tape to kind
Speaker 6: of keep it together. It is the yankiest gun.
Speaker 1: Still have it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 6: Yeah, things, I'll never get rid of that thing.
Speaker 4: Is it a like a.
Speaker 1: Bolt, you know, break action? A single shot?
Speaker 4: That's awesome. That's got gauge.
Speaker 3: He's got a twelve that he that partner that New
Speaker 3: England or that he's got same as.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all he turkeys break. Actually we caught
Speaker 1: the mule kids.
Speaker 6: Oh dude, they're brutal. I have a twelve gauge single shot.
Speaker 6: That's my home production. Can't go wrong with that. But
Speaker 6: uh but yeah, but muscle orders, man, as far as hunting,
Speaker 6: those are like my favorite rifles as far as you
Speaker 6: know you got one shot usually totally. I love that
Speaker 6: at to get closer a little bit and like being
Speaker 6: with them, just go rambo on that.
Speaker 4: Feel that man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels a little uh, it makes it a
Speaker 3: little sporting, yea, rather than just he's eight hundred yards. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know it's so ridiculous at this point. Yeah, a
Speaker 3: little more intimate like that, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, moving on to music, Uh, you you
Speaker 2: reference don't take the Girl as being a huge song
Speaker 2: for you and and an impactful song and and how
Speaker 2: it just kind of, you know, messed you up a
Speaker 2: little bit and kind of got your mind on songwriting
Speaker 2: and that whole thing.
Speaker 1: Can you just walk us through that that that.
Speaker 2: Process from there to I mean honestly, from there to
Speaker 2: the to the standby me moment you had on stage.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it's a hell of a path, by the way,
Speaker 6: years on the room. Yeah, no, it's it started on
Speaker 6: a school bus. We were the first kids on, the
Speaker 6: last kids off, so that it was like a long
Speaker 6: school bus ride too, because we were like those rural
Speaker 6: route yeah, like farm kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And so then again get you early, get out, we.
Speaker 6: Get Yeah, school started at eight thirty, We get picked
Speaker 6: up at seven and and then same ninety minute right
Speaker 6: home because we were the last kids off. So I
Speaker 6: spent like three hours a day on a school bus. Wow,
Speaker 6: five days a week times, over many weeks a year.
Speaker 6: A lot of times I went to school and and
Speaker 6: it was just straight up eighties and nineties country and
Speaker 6: like sometimes classic country the whole time. There's no way
Speaker 6: you're going to anything else. Yeah, bus radio driven by
Speaker 6: a farmer wasn't going to be anything else. And crazy
Speaker 6: didn't think how much that just random, literally nonverbal. I'm
Speaker 6: not sure if you said two words to me in
Speaker 6: all those years, or to anybody for that matter. It's
Speaker 6: just like just tough, ast farmer.
Speaker 2: School bus drivers are kind of I mean, they're probably
Speaker 2: not in real life. They might be, but like as
Speaker 2: a kid, I would ride the school bus from middle
Speaker 2: school to my buddy's house or actually elementary school. Then
Speaker 2: we'd run in my buddy's house and that's where we
Speaker 2: get picked up. But I was always afraid of them.
Speaker 2: There was always like this mystical like you don't even
Speaker 2: you're just like, you know, do the thing, don't say thanks,
Speaker 2: just dap run over.
Speaker 6: My dad was a school bus driver, so I had
Speaker 6: like a lot of respect him because he drive the
Speaker 6: bus as well, the morning and afternoon route to kind
Speaker 6: of it was his side hustle working at the shop.
Speaker 6: But anyway, So I had like a revered bus drivers.
Speaker 6: My dad made sure I was always respectful for the
Speaker 6: bus driver, like and uh so, yeah, I always had
Speaker 6: that kind of fear. And this dude was like tough.
Speaker 6: He was a farmer and he's super sweet, you like,
Speaker 6: you know, he'd always be nice and I think he
Speaker 6: got onto us a couple of times for being here,
Speaker 6: like fighting or whatever. But other than that, he was
Speaker 6: just stoic. Yeah, And just like had country music on
Speaker 6: and I'd listened to it and Don't Take the Girl
Speaker 6: came on one day and just made a mess with me,
Speaker 6: and uh, like.
Speaker 1: You know my mom.
Speaker 6: You know, I had a lot of concerns about my
Speaker 6: mom as a kid. She was in some like dangerous
Speaker 6: relationships with other men, and she lived in Tennessee, and
Speaker 6: so I was always just like terrified that something bad
Speaker 6: was going to happen to her. And when that song
Speaker 6: came on, I was able to like copy and paste.
Speaker 6: For whatever reason, that song had nothing to do with
Speaker 6: my situation.
Speaker 1: I was able to copy and paste.
Speaker 6: The characters of it for like four minutes. It was
Speaker 6: like a little miniature movie, you know, disclosure and everything
Speaker 6: like that whole thing, and I was like, what the
Speaker 6: hell just happened to me? And that was like my
Speaker 6: song just happened. That's when I realized, oh, like this
Speaker 6: music isn't just sounds and beats and notes and rhymes.
Speaker 6: It's like their experiences. There's like something bigger to it.
Speaker 6: That was like when I say I got song, bit
Speaker 6: like when you you kind of you least start to
Speaker 6: recognize the mystery of it and then you decide later
Speaker 6: whether or not you're willing to chase it. But that
Speaker 6: was kind of where it all began. And then fast forward,
Speaker 6: you know, I just started writing poems, you know, on
Speaker 6: the side, Like I used to catch my mom writing
Speaker 6: poems on envelopes and jump now, and so I just
Speaker 6: started doing that. That's where kind of my songwriting began,
Speaker 6: because that song seemed like kind of poetic. It had
Speaker 6: like these stanzas sure.
Speaker 3: And different moments of time. I can still see the
Speaker 3: music video in my head right now. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: that was thirty oh mom' forty ones as thirty years
Speaker 3: ago basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you can you can see the actual
Speaker 2: video right yeah. See I can't, I don't, I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you what them, but I know what
Speaker 2: the music video to me looks like, Like I know
Speaker 2: my scenarios of that song in my brain, and it's
Speaker 2: probably not even close to the video, but yeah they're there,
Speaker 2: you know, And yeah that's crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah it's I'm in that same boat. I think like
Speaker 6: it was almost like my own movie somehow, like you know,
Speaker 6: I was the star of it, you know, And I
Speaker 6: don't know how that all happened. It was like a
Speaker 6: crazy alchemy, a science that I didn't understand, and uh,
Speaker 6: but was kind of determined to or at least try to.
Speaker 3: I don't still the same same with everything you just said.
Speaker 3: I mean, even as a kid, I wanted to figure
Speaker 3: out why it meant so much to me? Why why it?
Speaker 3: I mean even I mean, I'm I'm singing Garth Brooks songs,
Speaker 3: you know, about some old lady and him having sexual relations.
Speaker 3: And I'm eight years old, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: I mean, and singing it as hard as I possibly can.
Speaker 4: Why is something like that relate?
Speaker 3: I hadn't been through anything like like you were just
Speaker 3: saying about, don't take the girl? What is any It
Speaker 3: wasn't even had nothing to do with your certain situation.
Speaker 3: But like those songs are relevant, you know, and and
Speaker 3: and as a kid, you're you're able to just like put,
Speaker 3: you know, place yourself in those tunes, man. And I
Speaker 3: mean that's why they're so those kind of tunes are
Speaker 3: so cornerstone moments in your life.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then you know, then I found out, you know,
Speaker 6: they were written by these Nashville songwriters, Larry Johnson and
Speaker 6: Craig Martin. And I found out, you know much later
Speaker 6: actually that like, wow, people are getting rooms in Nashville
Speaker 6: and write these songs that kind of changed my life.
Speaker 6: That's how does that all go down? And so the
Speaker 6: mystery of Nashville was kind of that's when it presented
Speaker 6: itself to me. And I used to drive through Nashville.
Speaker 6: My mama lived in Smyrna, and we used to drive
Speaker 6: through the town. I'd always be like, we would go by,
Speaker 6: and I'd be like, that's that's where the songs are, man,
Speaker 6: And it was like song town in my head. And
Speaker 6: so that's just kind of the When I graduated high school,
Speaker 6: I was like, how do I get as close to
Speaker 6: there as possible? And so oddly my mama moved back
Speaker 6: to Indiana and I went to MTSU and but I
Speaker 6: lived in Nashville the whole time, and I got a
Speaker 6: science degree. So I was like a microbiologist and a
Speaker 6: chemist and did that as a job. Played in indie bands.
Speaker 2: Was the food was the was the uh the food
Speaker 2: plant you worked at? Was that the one off of
Speaker 2: eight forty down in spring Hill? Yes, yes, sir, that's
Speaker 2: the one that is the Mars food plant.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It wasn't fully developed when I was working there, but
Speaker 6: I was. I was working there while it was being built.
Speaker 1: Okay, got you.
Speaker 6: I never actually got to step foot in it functionally,
Speaker 6: but older I remember when we were building it. I
Speaker 6: had my own lab on the outskirts of in Williamson County.
Speaker 1: It was I liked my lab.
Speaker 2: Can you drop like one little quick gross food fact
Speaker 2: for us that liked something we should not eat ever
Speaker 2: in this life?
Speaker 1: Uh? Like it just a product? Sure, man?
Speaker 6: You see like hot dogs being made like it's rough.
Speaker 2: I just smoked like yeah, we just went to Chattanooga
Speaker 2: and cooked them over a fire all week.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean when you see the ball dog extruded meats,
Speaker 6: when you smell it in a meat like it really
Speaker 6: ruins it for you. Yeah, like it's really tough for me.
Speaker 1: No more hot dogs.
Speaker 6: No, I'm not saying no more hot dogs. I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm just saying that's That's one of the more eye
Speaker 6: opening experiences I had in the in the food business.
Speaker 1: I can't get the video of watching chicken nuggets being made.
Speaker 6: Yeah, those are pretty gnarly too. And also as a
Speaker 6: p s A one thing I learned, hot dogs kill
Speaker 6: a lot of humans every year from choking. Like they're
Speaker 6: one of the highest choking hazards. And if you want
Speaker 6: to eliminate that hazard almost entirely, when you after you
Speaker 6: cook your hot dog, you cut it diagonally. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: long waist a ways and you won't ever choke on
Speaker 6: it again. So if you have kids, just the cylindric,
Speaker 6: make sure you serve them after you cut them. Because
Speaker 6: what happens is all the moisture is trapped inside the
Speaker 6: collagen skin. It doesn't escape until you bite into it.
Speaker 6: And then you bite into it, all the steam is
Speaker 6: released and your reaction is to go and and the
Speaker 6: hot dog is like the exact negative space of a trachea.
Speaker 6: So it's the perfect device.
Speaker 1: This is what I wanted to Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: So cut them, cut them. Everybody cut hot dogs. It's easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, don't take your thumb now whatever, cut your
Speaker 1: hot dogs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hot dog They're not that good.
Speaker 2: He looked at the camera and say that, Okay, can
Speaker 2: you tell us can you talk about so that that's
Speaker 2: your songwroute experience a little bit? Can you talk about
Speaker 2: the STANDBYO meme moment you had? And uh and kind
Speaker 2: of how would all the switch happened?
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that that song always like scared the hell
Speaker 6: out of me. Excuse me, I don't know why. Sorry,
Speaker 6: I've been singing all weekend. My voice is kind of thrashed. Yeah,
Speaker 6: for ever since I was a kid, that that song
Speaker 6: had this haunting ability behind it.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't fully know why.
Speaker 6: And I would just be playing it in my living
Speaker 6: room occasionally I would play it and these like little
Speaker 6: bluegrass jams. I used to just kind of go sit
Speaker 6: in on in blue grass circles and just pick and
Speaker 6: but you know, sometimes you know, you need a standard
Speaker 6: to play, and they'd be like, you got something to play?
Speaker 6: And I'd like, I do, I got this weird stand
Speaker 6: by me thing? I do so i'd throw it out.
Speaker 6: We don't jam on it. That's the only time I
Speaker 6: really ever would play it. I don't know why I
Speaker 6: was playing it and I and I played it just
Speaker 6: like the way I played it. I don't I didn't
Speaker 6: really set out to kind of recreate the vibe or
Speaker 6: the chords or it was just like this is how
Speaker 6: it went to me. Yeah, this is how I hear
Speaker 6: it right now. And I was my dad had died,
Speaker 6: and it was it destroyed me. It was a big
Speaker 6: old dose of devastation. And I had this songwriter festival
Speaker 6: I was playing in Deadwood, South Dakota. It's like two
Speaker 6: weeks after he died and I had canceled it. I
Speaker 6: wasn't going to do it because you know, the the
Speaker 6: guy that runs it understood and it wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 6: And but he was like, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 6: if you want to, you can still just come up
Speaker 6: here and hang out. You don't have to play songs
Speaker 6: or anything. It's that it's in like the Black Hills,
Speaker 6: and it's like really healing spiritual territory. I think it
Speaker 6: might be really good for you. I'll still pay for
Speaker 6: your flight, you know, your flight's already paid for you
Speaker 6: can still whatever.
Speaker 4: One of my god, it was.
Speaker 6: A great guy and he's like, if you feel like
Speaker 6: playing songs, play songs, yea. If you don't bring your
Speaker 6: guitar anyway, you never know something like that, and that's
Speaker 6: I brought my guitar, and but I was like a shell,
Speaker 6: hardly slept in a week, and you know, I was
Speaker 6: in bad shape. And I did end up playing like
Speaker 6: around there and just kind of kind of got back
Speaker 6: used to singing in front of people again, and it
Speaker 6: was like, okay, that's all right. And then at the
Speaker 6: end of the festival, they had like a thousand or
Speaker 6: a couple thousand people from the town that you know
Speaker 6: from the festival. The patrons would gather in this room
Speaker 6: and all the artists and songwriters of the week would
Speaker 6: all do with cover and they hired in. They flew
Speaker 6: in a band from Nashville's like Derek Wells, like a
Speaker 6: real band, Yeah, like a band, a serious band, and
Speaker 6: Abby Roth and Yeah, and a number of musicians and
Speaker 6: you just basically send them your song. They'd learn it
Speaker 6: and we'd all play it.
Speaker 1: Everybody did a cover.
Speaker 6: And I was like, man, I don't I don't really have.
Speaker 6: I don't know a lot of covers. I've never been
Speaker 6: in cover bands. I really just didn't have much outside
Speaker 6: of this stand by me thing I've been playing in
Speaker 6: my living room. So I did a quick work tape
Speaker 6: of it in the hotel room and sent it to
Speaker 6: the band. I was like, it's a little bit different,
Speaker 6: but you know, this is it and this is how
Speaker 6: it goes to me, and they were like they charted it.
Speaker 6: It was no you know, for them, it's a no brainer,
Speaker 6: and they just laid in the cut and got up
Speaker 6: there and played it and it was like it was
Speaker 6: like a spiritual experience for me. Yeah, it felt like
Speaker 6: a bit of a like it was a moment of.
Speaker 1: Great clarity.
Speaker 6: Of what I was supposed to be doing with my
Speaker 6: life from that point on, because I never thought of
Speaker 6: myself as an as a performer, an artist, a singer
Speaker 6: or whatever, like just I just wanted to be a songwriter.
Speaker 6: And you know, my dad, he would listen to my
Speaker 6: work tapes and be like, why don't you just go
Speaker 6: sing him? What are you doing, you know, waiting for
Speaker 6: somebody else to sing this? You sound fine? And I'd like, yeah,
Speaker 6: but I don't do that. I'd argue with him, and
Speaker 6: I was like, you know, and in that moment, it
Speaker 6: was it's like he's like it's time to do that.
Speaker 4: Now, wow, man.
Speaker 6: And you know, in the wildest way. And this is
Speaker 6: what blows my mind about it. He felt like a
Speaker 6: little kid on my shoulders.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It gives like a reverse, a reversal. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: He felt very, very close, and it was like, honestly,
Speaker 6: like a drug, you know, like they say, like heroin
Speaker 6: addicts are like always chasing that first Yeah, thang, So
Speaker 6: I think that's you doing. Now I'm doing now, That's
Speaker 6: what I'm doing. It's just chasing that moment.
Speaker 4: I mean, how could not? How could you not?
Speaker 3: I mean, you you lose the most important thing to
Speaker 3: you and then all of a sudden you feel it again.
Speaker 3: He's there again, and you're not supposed to chase that again.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think there's anything wrong with chasing
Speaker 4: that honestly.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So that's where that song came from. That's why
Speaker 6: I keep playing it, and that's why I'm really doing everything.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's well done too, man, I mean it's it's the
Speaker 3: thank you what do they call it interpolation or something
Speaker 3: now is the technical term for it.
Speaker 4: Whatever you when you make another song your own.
Speaker 1: Man, it's.
Speaker 3: I never really connected that to that song until I
Speaker 3: heard you do it, truthfully. I mean I know the song,
Speaker 3: you know forever, but man, it's it's uh, you can
Speaker 3: tell it comes from a different spot than just you
Speaker 3: play a cover, you know, But.
Speaker 2: I feel like that, yeah, and I feel like you
Speaker 2: made that song your own, but even the whole Son
Speaker 2: of a Dad record, man.
Speaker 1: It is that way. I feel like every you were.
Speaker 2: Talking about songs being experiences and songs songs being more
Speaker 2: than just words and lyrics, and I feel like every
Speaker 2: song on that record is that for me, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I mean all all like all the all the
Speaker 2: wars falling out. It's so good, man, such such a
Speaker 2: cool cool idea and kid and and a year.
Speaker 1: To be young.
Speaker 2: They're just it's just a great product. Man, it's a
Speaker 2: great It's a great representation. I feel like I don't
Speaker 2: even know you that well of you and and where
Speaker 2: you come from and what you believe in and what
Speaker 2: you stand for and what you love. Man, And uh,
Speaker 2: that's a that's a great record.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Read I appreciate. It's a great record.
Speaker 6: We put a lot of work into it, and if
Speaker 6: anything like back to that, don't take the girl. Like
Speaker 6: I just wanted to try and.
Speaker 1: Pay that forward. Whatever that was.
Speaker 6: It felt like, you know, that's that's our our duty
Speaker 6: as songwriters to maybe carry that on because I think,
Speaker 6: you know, that generation was really profound, you know, from
Speaker 6: a songwriting standpoint. Yeah, And I think what we do
Speaker 6: here in this town is really special and and I
Speaker 6: hope you know this is just, if anything, just one
Speaker 6: brick in the wall of where country music goes. If
Speaker 6: if I can be just that, I would be grateful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they are. Are you having that kind
Speaker 3: of an impact?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: People?
Speaker 3: People love what you're doing. We love what you're doing,
Speaker 3: and uh, I wish we could do this for another
Speaker 3: two hours.
Speaker 2: You're currently on the Good Time the sold Out tour,
Speaker 2: the Son of a Dad Tour.
Speaker 1: Do you have anybody who's Does anybody go out with
Speaker 1: you right now? Yeah?
Speaker 6: We've had Anna Voss, she's great. Stephanie Lambering was out
Speaker 6: with us just this weekend. Zandy Hollop and Kaylee Hammock.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we have some of these are all my
Speaker 6: friends and some of my favorite artists, and they're really
Speaker 6: incredible songwriters, and so I like to really give them
Speaker 6: their acoustic openers too. So they just want my audience
Speaker 6: to see that. And that's a big part of our
Speaker 6: show too, is like it's you know, my model as
Speaker 6: an artist is like, you know.
Speaker 1: Bluebird to Bridge Stone kind of thing. You know. I
Speaker 1: love that I can figure.
Speaker 6: Out how to get that there and and make sure
Speaker 6: that's a big part of it. The storytelling.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Featured on the new Dirk S. Bentley song colber Can.
Speaker 2: The Great Tune is fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, man, it's fun to make it.
Speaker 3: That I really liked about that too, was that you
Speaker 3: see a title like that and you think you as
Speaker 3: a songwriter, I feel like I already I knew what
Speaker 3: that song was going to be, and then I listened
Speaker 3: to the song and it was completely different.
Speaker 4: And that was that was what I.
Speaker 3: Loved about it, that that it wasn't it wasn't just
Speaker 3: a run bill too.
Speaker 1: Man, It's got some meat. Thank you, so well done.
Speaker 6: I appreciate that little little Nashville wordplay. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm a sucker for it. I mean, that's that's really
Speaker 6: the white Buffalo. For me, I mean, having played in
Speaker 6: indie bands, written indies songs, and been admirers of abstract
Speaker 6: songwriting and many other kinds of songwriting, I feel like
Speaker 6: just a great country song with perhaps a twist and
Speaker 6: be one of the you know, the hardest ones to write.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 6: To me, it's like the the white Buffalo out there
Speaker 6: that you just times is really hard to come across,
Speaker 6: and so I always always revere those songs. Even though
Speaker 6: sometimes they can come across simplistic, they are far more
Speaker 6: complex in their creation.
Speaker 3: To tell you, guys for sure, No, I know exactly
Speaker 3: what you're saying. All right, pick up, Man's a great
Speaker 3: a great point. Yeah, that song is such it feels
Speaker 3: so fun and so easy, but when you dive into
Speaker 3: what that song.
Speaker 1: Does, it took a genius to write that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Harry Kurt Phillips, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: All right, last question and we'll get to graverite. By
Speaker 2: the way, thanks for coming, dude, this has been.
Speaker 4: Especially a hard week.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, no, I'm happy to do it. Man, appreciate
Speaker 6: you all.
Speaker 2: You said, I don't know if this interview or something,
Speaker 2: but you said it's hard to match the intensity of
Speaker 2: fighting another human being in front of a bunch of people.
Speaker 2: I've got to be super grateful to my father for
Speaker 2: giving me that gift, because he didn't really know what
Speaker 2: to do with a weirdo kid like me. I was
Speaker 2: good at school as a nerdy scientist and I love
Speaker 2: me music. But its contribution was for me to develop
Speaker 2: that boxing acumen, which comes in handy for all the
Speaker 2: metaphorical fights you're gonna have. What's what's been the biggest
Speaker 2: with that is beautifully put by the way, like, what
Speaker 2: what's the biggest Nashville fight that that you've been in
Speaker 2: yet or you're in now that you've either won or
Speaker 2: you've gotten beat up?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean I think I kind of look at
Speaker 6: the whole thing as a as a big fight, like
Speaker 6: com in maybe round two at best, uh in a
Speaker 6: one hundred round fight or whatever. But you know, I
Speaker 6: think you're gonna win rounds, lose rounds. But let's see,
Speaker 6: I mean, my biggest fight was when I quit my
Speaker 6: job as a scientist. Like there was like a three
Speaker 6: year period of uh, you know, I was waiting tables
Speaker 6: and bartending and like nobody gave a damn about any
Speaker 6: of my songs. Was way too weird. At the time,
Speaker 6: I was just trying to be a songwriter too, and
Speaker 6: so really kind of persevering through those three years was
Speaker 6: probably the the the real hardcore that was the ten
Speaker 6: eight round that kicked my ass. But I you know,
Speaker 6: it was like a storm. It was like a storm
Speaker 6: I had to battle through, and you know, everything from
Speaker 6: like waiting on my old colleagues at Mars. You know,
Speaker 6: after I quit my job as a sign I had
Speaker 6: this great job at Mars. Yeah, the old handcuffs, yeah,
Speaker 6: right about yeah, and I you know, now I'm waiting
Speaker 6: tables and you know, they would come into a restaurant
Speaker 6: that I was working, o, you gotta wait.
Speaker 1: On them, and you know, how's the music thing going? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: And I was working like fine dining or whatever.
Speaker 1: You like, some more sweet teeth.
Speaker 5: You weren't living with that Rascal Flats put a song
Speaker 5: on hold, yeah, and they didn't at that time, not
Speaker 5: even that like like I didn't even have like a
Speaker 5: publishing prospect.
Speaker 6: I had nothing, like it was just like hoping somebody
Speaker 6: would write with me at that point. And then I
Speaker 6: really just kind of jumped off a cliff and didn't
Speaker 6: really have any prospects lined up. But I knew like
Speaker 6: if I, if I did that, like just out of
Speaker 6: sheer desperation, I would maybe connect something together. Because it
Speaker 6: wasn't I wasn't able to do it like parallel path
Speaker 6: to my science job because it was just that job
Speaker 6: took up so much of the bandwidth. Yeah, so I
Speaker 6: was like, well, I got all my bandwidth now, but
Speaker 6: you still got to work, still got a family, You
Speaker 6: still got to make money. And I made good money,
Speaker 6: you know, waiting tables and bartending. I just had to
Speaker 6: work like eighty hours a week and like every day,
Speaker 6: and then work every night, and then work every weekend
Speaker 6: all day long. And then you know, right Monday through
Speaker 6: Friday with anybody and everybody that would.
Speaker 1: And that's one cool thing.
Speaker 6: And then you gotta go to like you know, writers'
Speaker 6: rounds to meet writers. You gotta go to everything. You
Speaker 6: just it was just kind of like NonStop for three years.
Speaker 6: It's hard for me to even like recognize that guy. Sometimes,
Speaker 6: I'm like, who that dude was crazy at that time.
Speaker 3: But you gotta do what you gotta do in the ring, man, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like some kind of like taking that fight in
Speaker 3: Kentucky it's like sometimes you just gotta go right show up.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 6: I mean I don't recognize that guy that was fighting Kentuckians,
Speaker 6: Like I don't you know, that guy is like crazy
Speaker 6: and but you know then I look back at that
Speaker 6: guy that quit that job and and did all that
Speaker 6: for three years until like this guy, Na Chris Oglesby
Speaker 6: at BMG heard one of my weird songs and literally
Speaker 6: signed me on the spot, and it pretty much changed
Speaker 6: my life from that point on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say that's a that's around you one for sure, Yes, ten,
Speaker 2: eight Your Way.
Speaker 1: Yeah and full Circle.
Speaker 6: My first cut it ended up not getting released was
Speaker 6: it was by Tim mcgirl pretty poetic, yeah, and it
Speaker 6: was thanks to mister Oglesby. I'll never forget the day
Speaker 6: I had this work tape. I'd just written it and
Speaker 6: and he he he got to the first chorus and
Speaker 6: he was like his eyes were like got real big.
Speaker 1: You know, he's like a man.
Speaker 6: A few words so he just grabbed it and just
Speaker 6: took off running and like and they were pitching it
Speaker 6: for a g for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: It was for what It's worth and yeah.
Speaker 6: And then you miss he was up there and he
Speaker 6: played it, He's like, you got to hear this right now,
Speaker 6: and you know, I just like signed my deal. It
Speaker 6: was really wild and she's like, oh, I love this,
Speaker 6: I'll play it for Tim. And then you know, a
Speaker 6: week later she was like, hey, you just ordered it.
Speaker 6: And you know, it was just a really cool, like
Speaker 6: full circle like if anything, like a God nod that
Speaker 6: maybe you're doing, maybe you're where you're supposed to be.
Speaker 6: If anything at that job, you know, is as great
Speaker 6: as that job was, and it it really was. They
Speaker 6: took great care of me. It was not where I
Speaker 6: was supposed to be. It was the the only message
Speaker 6: I kind of got. And and that's you know, the
Speaker 6: comforts of it were very tempting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, yeah, Well my nod is not anywhere the
Speaker 2: affirmation that God's is. But I can tell you I
Speaker 2: believe you're You're right where you're supposed to be.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: And I think and I think the I think the world.
Speaker 2: I think the world of music period, not country music,
Speaker 2: but just the world. The listeners of good music are
Speaker 2: finding out about you now and and finding outbout finding
Speaker 2: out about your songs, and and I think you're touching
Speaker 2: lives across across the world, man, across the planet, and
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, know what you're doing and the songs
Speaker 2: you're writing and the truth you're telling.
Speaker 6: I think you reed.
Speaker 1: I never appreciate it.
Speaker 2: We do a favorite thing at the end, just a
Speaker 2: cornerstone song for you, which it might be Don't Take
Speaker 2: the Girl, or.
Speaker 1: It's obviously don't Take the Girl, but I mean there's
Speaker 1: another one understand by me. Those man, it's a song.
Speaker 6: You love, oh man, A favorite song that's like just
Speaker 6: had a profound effect on.
Speaker 1: HM.
Speaker 6: My Name is Jonas by Weezer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like that's.
Speaker 4: The Blue album, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll tell you a weird story.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 6: I think the Statute of Limitations is okay on this
Speaker 6: for sure the only time, Like I'm I've never stolen
Speaker 6: anything in my life and I never will. Like it's
Speaker 6: just not part of my My dad just hated thieves
Speaker 6: and like it was just not something you could ever do.
Speaker 6: But I heard this song my Name is Jonas on
Speaker 6: the radio one day and it stopped me in my tracks.
Speaker 6: I was like, what the hell is this? I have
Speaker 6: to hear this again? And I found out it was
Speaker 6: on the Weezer blue album, and I went to a
Speaker 6: large store. I won't say its name, it's just say
Speaker 6: it's very well known and still very much in business.
Speaker 6: I walked into that I said, Dad, I need to
Speaker 6: go get some I gotta go get a notebook, like
Speaker 6: a paper notebook. I'm out of paper. Need to take
Speaker 6: me to this place so I can get some paper
Speaker 6: and pencils. Walked right into that place, stole that downtle
Speaker 6: that CD, walked right out of put in that notebook.
Speaker 6: I walked right out of there with it, wowl, cold blooded.
Speaker 1: I was ready to go to jail.
Speaker 6: To have it.
Speaker 1: I was remember walking out that door that slid open.
Speaker 1: I was just waiting for that buzzer to me what
Speaker 1: you need to do.
Speaker 6: I'm ready, I'm ready for it. I'm willing to take it.
Speaker 6: I walked right out, nothing went off, and.
Speaker 1: You know what I bet over? So I've stolen? Did
Speaker 1: you take the city out of the cassette? Like? Did
Speaker 1: you open the mean the plastic? You do open the plastic?
Speaker 1: They get that.
Speaker 6: Little like bar code of some shady ship. Get that
Speaker 6: out of there. It's shady. But I was like, that's
Speaker 6: how much that song profoundly affecting.
Speaker 1: I was willing to.
Speaker 6: Jail get my ass beat by my dad repeatedly like
Speaker 6: he would have. It would have been bad, but it
Speaker 6: had been bad, but worth it. That's how much that song.
Speaker 1: That's a great story. That's a great story.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on hanging out here with absolutely.
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Speaker 4: I don't.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2: You're awesome. Come back, pay y'all. Check Stephen Wilson Junior out.
Speaker 2: He's on the road all year doing his thing. Sold
Speaker 2: out to our son of a dad.
Speaker 1: Bro. You're you're awesome. Thanks for hanging out with us.
Speaker 1: Thank you. The town loves your music. Please keep maybe,
Speaker 1: please keep making it for us. The world love your music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, gentlemen, thanks for hanging out God's country
Speaker 2: with us.
Speaker 1: We'll check out next time. See