1 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: Everybody, welcome to flop four of our dispatches from Africa. 2 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: I'm joined here to talk about poaching in Africa and 3 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: anti poaching efforts in Africa with Joe ash Bomo, known 4 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: as JJ around these parts, who works with Robin Hurt 5 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: Safaris on community development projects and anti poaching efforts. And 6 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: we're going to talk a little bit about how those 7 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: two things actually have something to do with with each other. 8 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Before we get into that subject, I want to remind 9 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: everyone right now we have the raffle is open. The 10 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: window to buy raffle tickets is open for our annual 11 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: TRCP fundraiser Turkey Hunt. For many years now, we run 12 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: a raffle where and we pick a winner and that 13 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: winter brings along a friend to go turkey hunting with me. 14 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: And the honis you tell us when you win, you 15 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: and your friend. We cover your airfare, We hook you 16 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: up with any gear you might need for the trip. 17 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 1: We cover the price of your turkey tag, We cover food, lodging, everything, 18 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: We pay you. You don't pay anything. We pay everything 19 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: for you, guys to come turkey hunt. You'll spend three 20 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: nights with us. We'll have two full days of turkey hunting. 21 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: We do it every year. We bounce around different spots 22 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: we want to hunt. We always have a ton of luck. 23 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: The raffle is open from now to the end of July. 24 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: All the expenses for the turkey hunt are covered by 25 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: a donor a buddy mine covers all the expenses. All 26 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: of the raffle ticket money goes directly to TRCP and 27 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: trcp's uh you know, their slogan again is guaranteeing Americans 28 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: quality places the hunting fish. All the money stays on 29 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: mission when you buy a raffle ticket. The recent public 30 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: lands fight that we lived through, TRCP was front and 31 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: center and getting that squared away and leading us to 32 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: a big victory in that battle. So get your raffle tickets. 33 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: Now back to the subject, you joy as you you're Tanzania. 34 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 2: Born, Yeah, somet okay, Yeah. 35 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: How did you? How did you ever get into the 36 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: career that you're in? Like? What what led you down 37 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: that path? 38 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: I stuted out in community development. I joined Robin hatw 39 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: had left foundation as an int okay, yeah, like twelve 40 00:02:54,760 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: years ago. So we were doing community jects in the 41 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: communities that surround the areas that Robin had Safaris has 42 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 3: for hunting. So that's how I got in and also 43 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: I did I was doing also anti poaching patrols, mostly 44 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: in this area. I've done quite a bit of patrols. 45 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: You've been doing patrols here patrol Yeah. 46 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: I've been doing it, yeah for a while. 47 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: Yes, in the US, when we hear poaching in Africa, right, 48 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: nine out of ten people their mind goes to elfant 49 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: ivory and rhino horns. How is that accurate? I mean, 50 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: in what ways? Is it a more complicated picture than that, 51 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: like like, but that is what people think when they 52 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: hear those words. 53 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 54 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: Of course, the largely the poaching in Tanzania is is 55 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: just for substinence, but then you have the big poachers 56 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: will go for the elephants and the rhinos. Of course 57 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: there's not any more rhinos left. Yeah, but that was 58 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: in the seventies and eighties. There has been elephant poaching 59 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: for but we haven't had any incident for the last 60 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: ten years, we haven't had any incident. 61 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: With elephant poaching. 62 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 3: And also the government really came down hard on elephant 63 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: poaching and rhino poaching. 64 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what is poaching today? You deal with? 65 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 3: Well, poaching today? What to deal with. What to deal 66 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: with is mostly for I can say it's there's a 67 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 3: market for game meat, which is usually buffalo or any 68 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: animal that they can get on a snare. So, and 69 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: there's a belief, like in giraffe meat that it has 70 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 3: some healing capabilities, so then there's a market also for that. So, 71 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 3: but it's usually for the meat. That's what most of 72 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: the poachers go for. It's it's like a black market, 73 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: you know. So they hunt and they poach and they 74 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 3: sell the meat to various places in a black market. 75 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, is it? Is it common you'd be able to 76 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: go into a city or a town in Tanzania and 77 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: if you looked around you would find game animals for 78 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: sale and the open or is it? Is it more discreet? 79 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 3: No, it is very very discrete. Yeah, they don't do 80 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 3: it in the open. A few years ago the government 81 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: opened up gay meat butcheries so that to give the 82 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: local people a chance for so to get an animal. Legally, 83 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: there are places where the locals can can go and hunt. 84 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: They get a permit, they go with a government game 85 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: scout and they can hunt an animal. And yeah, if 86 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: you have the if you have the license, then you 87 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: can you can sell it, but it's not that much. 88 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: It's very rare, so most of the game meat is 89 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: sold very discreetly, and to select a number of people 90 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: who I think the Pachas have some sort of relationship with. 91 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: We've in the time I've been hanging around here, I've 92 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: heard a number of people mentioned snaring. In the US, 93 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: and in most states you can set you can set 94 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: snares for fur bearing animals. It's very regulated. Okay, okay, 95 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: you guys are talking about a type of snaring that 96 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: it's more meant to just well one to catch like 97 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: large game, big game animals, to catch me animals. How 98 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: are the snares employed? What are they made of? Like, 99 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: what does it look like when you encounter a snare 100 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: set up? 101 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: It's, uh, they use wire, so it's they put it 102 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: close to watahs and on the on river beds, so 103 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: it's it's a waya that's it's round. 104 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: And then the animal goes in. It starts to. 105 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: Show me how big they make the. 106 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 3: The loop can be quite big, you know, it can 107 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 3: be like it's it's big. It's it's like this big. 108 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: So even a buffalo head can go so you can, Yeah, 109 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: they'll snare something that. 110 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah they can, Yeah, they can do it. 111 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: And then you also I hear guys talk about a 112 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: muzzle order. Yes, now we can buy a muzzle order. Yeah, 113 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: right at the store. Yes, these are not store about. 114 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: No, no, they're not. 115 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: Usually you find that a lot of the people with 116 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: muzzle loaders, they they got the skilled down from their grandparents, 117 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: so they can make one and they use like a 118 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: piece of metal this big and put it in there 119 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: like a bullet and they have gunpowder and they shoot 120 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: it out. Others have some very old, very old muzzle loaders, 121 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: which I believe that they got from You know, a 122 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: lot of people from this area during the First World Wow, 123 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: they were used as the as fighting during the First 124 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: World the First World War in Africa, and they said 125 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: so they were part of the German German local army 126 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: and later on they became the kings of African rifles. 127 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: So some of them came back home with the with 128 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: them as all and so it got handed down. 129 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, you find them from time to time. 130 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: So when you're you're out of patrol, and you guys 131 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: do will do thirty day patrols, yes, and and and 132 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: in necessary you're patrolling I keep telling this like to 133 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: our audience. I keep trying to explain, like this this 134 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: reserve that we're on, Yes, it borders a large national 135 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: park on one of its borders. It's a it's a 136 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: game reserve. That's the size of we have a very 137 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: large famous park called Yellowstone National Park the US. It's 138 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: that size. Yes, you do thirty day patrols. Yes, Let's 139 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: say you you catch somebody, Okay, you encounter poetrycoun guy 140 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: in camp. He's got a llegal, he's got snare equipment, 141 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: he's got me is it are you at liberty to 142 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: make an arrest? Like? How do you approach the situation? 143 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: What do you do when you find someone? 144 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: Okay, during our patrols, we have two to four government 145 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: game scouts. They're the ones legally who are allowed to 146 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 3: apprehend a person who is caught poaching or doing any 147 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: anything illegal. So as soon as we get the guy 148 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 3: or culprits, we have twenty four hours to present him, 149 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: uh to to to the relevant authorities. 150 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: You can detain twenty four hours. 151 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, so what we do during the twenty four hours 152 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: we will do our best to make our way out 153 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: of the area and go and he goes to the 154 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 3: police station and he stays there until then the evidence 155 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: comes in and then it becomes a court case from there. 156 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what kind of fine Like, let let's take 157 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: let's take something in the extreme. Uh, there's Girafts here, 158 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: we see him most days. Yeah, it's the national animal. Okay, 159 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: So it'd be like our equivalent would be the bald 160 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: eagle or national bird. If you kill a bald eagle, 161 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: you're in a ton of trouble. You catch a guy 162 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: with something like that, what sort of like, what is 163 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: the punishment that if you've got a good case and 164 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: you can prove it, what would be the punishment for 165 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: something like that? 166 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: A punishment for that is close to twenty is in jail. 167 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I keep hearing. You know guys at Robin Hurtsafaris, 168 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: how about that. A lot of staff people they hire 169 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: would be people that reformed poachers. Maybe people kids that 170 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: start out poaching at a very young age, you know, 171 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen years old, that kind of get brought on 172 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: and cultivated and given like career positions within the organization. Yes, 173 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: what are they getting caught doing that that you would 174 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: not that they wouldn't have to go off to jail 175 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: for a number years, but that they have an opportunity 176 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: to come, you know, be out in the bush and 177 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: work with wildlife, but work in a productive way. 178 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Well you find them, you are somewhere 179 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 3: caught setting up snaares. Others you find maybe they were 180 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: holding the game meet, you know, because if for example, 181 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: they poach a buffalo, they'll stay out in the field, 182 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: you know, to dry it out and everything, then put 183 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: it in sacks, and so they need guys to move 184 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: the sacks out. So you find kids like that, You 185 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: might catch a kid so and and some of them 186 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: don't even know if they're doing something that's illegal. So 187 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: after we educate them and rehabilitate them, then we give 188 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 3: them an opportunity, so they join our anti poaching units. 189 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 3: That's where most of the guys that you have hunting 190 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: with you started from. So they started they starting that 191 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 3: poaching unit. And as they progress they go they become 192 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 3: trackers because also they have they are very good with 193 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: the area because they've. 194 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: Been there since they were young. 195 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: And also they are very good trackers in following up 196 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 3: looking at the animal trucks. 197 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: So it's a benefit. 198 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: So you just show them that you know, if you 199 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: do it this way, it's legal and it's going to 200 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 3: benefit you and your family instead of doing this which 201 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: you might end up in jail, so it's. 202 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: A better option for them. 203 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: Next, talk about what community development means and how does 204 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: like what is the relationship between community development and anti pouching. 205 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: The word that we use is community based conservation. So 206 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: what we do is we help the communities in projects 207 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: for them to see the actual benefits that come from 208 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 3: protecting the wildlife. You know, the projects come from the 209 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 3: communities around so if they can see a direct benefit 210 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: comes from preserving and conserving the wildlife that they have, 211 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: or even helping us in finding out about the purchase. 212 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 3: Like two months ago, we got information about people with 213 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: two muzle loaders and they were caught before they could 214 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: do anything, and it was because of the community informing 215 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 3: our antipproaching units about such people. So it's projects, it's schools. 216 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 3: We've built schools in this area. We've built health dispensaries, 217 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 3: we are currently working on renovating one in the village 218 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 3: that we went to in Lumbey, and we've set up waterwils. 219 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: We've supported children who have finished primary school going into 220 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: secondary school. So these benefits which the community can see 221 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 3: and touch, the tangible benefits that come from them partnering 222 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 3: with us in protect the wildlife and the area, so 223 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: that whatever that's got from hunters who come that there's 224 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: a percentage that goes back to the community, so it's 225 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: a direct benefit to them. So in that way, they 226 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 3: help us in being also custodians and fellow protectors of 227 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 3: the wildlife. 228 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you find in the surrounding communities that you're 229 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: working that areas benefactive, Like, do people wind up having 230 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: a positive attitude towards the wild landscapes there here? Oh? 231 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, people are very positive. But as in everything, 232 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: there's always a few characters who always find a way 233 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: because you find it's something that they've been doing for 234 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 3: generations and generations. To them, it's just a way of life, 235 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: approaching illegal fishing and you know, illegal timber harvesting. So 236 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: there's still a few, you know, characters who haven't it 237 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: hasn't really gotten into their heads. But for the most part, 238 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: the communities are very receptive and very supportive of what 239 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: we do over here. 240 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: I want to back up a minute. There's the thing 241 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: I failed to ask you about you just brought up. 242 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 4: There's a big fishing component here, yes, because you're on 243 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 4: a very large lake, there's a river system, and there 244 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 4: is legal fishing. Yes there is, okay, but you're still 245 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 4: patrol and you guys patrol and regulate the fishing. And 246 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 4: where I live, it would be that we have game 247 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 4: wardens hired by the different states, and the game wardens 248 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: patrol the waterways and it's checking licenses, checking what equipment 249 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: you use, checking that you have fish you're allowed to have. 250 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: You don't have too many, right, Yes, they're just doing 251 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: that work all the time, and they interact with fishermen. Yes, 252 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: and that's sounds very. 253 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: Similar basically the same thing. We Also what we do 254 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: is we facilitate the government game offices so that we 255 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: go with them and also you find that we have 256 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: we have more of a feel of the area. You know, 257 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: the game scouts come and go, they get changed, so 258 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: we have our teams with them even on the water 259 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 3: and they check you have to have a valid license, 260 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: and we have to check the type of fish you caught. 261 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: There's also the size of the net that you have 262 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: so that you don't catch the small fish. So we 263 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: it's almost the same thing as you described. We we 264 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: we have to do that on the lake and also 265 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: on the river. And also even by doing that, it's 266 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: also because poaching if it can't come in, and if 267 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 3: they can't come in on land, then they'll they'll come 268 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 3: in through the water. So by having patrols, then we 269 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 3: have a way of controlling the guys who would come 270 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 3: and poach and then put it on a boat and 271 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: go and go out. 272 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: So it helps. 273 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: Yes, Is there anything I missed that you feel like 274 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: you should tell me about? 275 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: Well, not really, Moan. 276 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: Let's talk like Morgan Potter's not here. Okay, Morgan Potter 277 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: tells us all about we got a little worked up 278 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: about black mamas just from hearing the bottom, reading the bottom, 279 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: He's like, you'll never see one, okay, right away, there's 280 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: a damn black mama right in uddle of the road. 281 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: How many black Like, how many black mambas per day 282 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: are you running into. 283 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: In a normal day? Went running into one? Okay? 284 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: How many per week? 285 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: Per week? Okay? 286 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: Like for the week, I've had running into two and 287 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 3: uh and one of them really chased us. 288 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: You know, it's a. 289 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: It's a so I didn't know, but I had heard 290 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: of black mamas. I knew they were bad or like 291 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: I knew there was like a snake to be wrackinged with. Yes, 292 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: they run their neck up like lockness monster. Oh yeah, 293 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: they stunned with the crews around with their head like 294 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: up here. Yeah, they could stand on their tail like 295 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 1: literally they're like an attack. Oh yeah, it is. It's 296 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: quite aggressive, very territorial. 297 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: Chases people around, chases people can't even chase the car. 298 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: It can't even Yeah, it can go up to you. 299 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: You'll never see one. Yeah, here's the funniest part about 300 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: the funniest part about we see a black mom. But yeah, he, 301 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: like the black mom like honestly considers attacking our car. Yeah, 302 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: he like runs through his mind. He false charges the 303 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: car and then goes off. And then we like drive 304 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: off and we don't go a mile and someone looks 305 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: out the side of the road there's another one and 306 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: Morgan's like, no, that's a that's a cobra. 307 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 2: Cobra. 308 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think if you, if you, if you 309 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 3: had to choose, you're better off meeting a cobra than 310 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 3: than than a black mom. 311 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 2: But it's it's it's really it's we call it over here. 312 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 3: Sudden death, you know, yeah, sudden death. But you have 313 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: traditional helas. We'll say they can fix you up, fix 314 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: you up, but you're never sure up about it. 315 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: Inter snake we saw it was seem very benign. I mean, 316 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: I know they're not, but he seemed very like just 317 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: a chill snake because we saw a puff adder. 318 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's very chill. You know. 319 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: He can you can want trouble. Yeah, you can even 320 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 3: step on him and he won't do anything to you. 321 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: But a black mamba, you startled it or you're just 322 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: like in its surroundings and like it's coming back. 323 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: To its whole. Like bug here, it would really chase 324 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: us away. Here. 325 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: This one was going down the road and we pulled 326 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: up on it, and he turns and comes back towards Yes, 327 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: the truck. 328 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 3: It's not scared of anything. Yeah, that's the truth. 329 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: About respect for him. Yeah, but then you've been in 330 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: this business twelve years. Yeah, you do mega patrols out here, 331 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: you do long patrols out here. You've never been struck 332 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: by one. 333 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't be here if I was so. 334 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's proof I've never been struck by one. 335 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: We've we've had close clothes earlier. This. 336 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, some of our guys were chasing a poacher 337 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 3: and as soon as they got close to him, he 338 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 3: he did. He turned around and was going towards the 339 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: vehicle on it on his own. It's because he had 340 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 3: seen a black number. So when the guys got there, 341 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: it stood up, and so they also started running back. 342 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 3: And it's very rare for it to happen. But as 343 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: soon as they get to the to the pickup, they 344 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 3: found that there was another one close by, so it 345 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: also stood up. So it was a bit of a 346 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 3: crazy day. Luckily no one was bitten. 347 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: We have a we have a similar animal in the 348 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: northern We have a mountain range called the Rocky Mountains, 349 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: and in the northern end of the Rocky Mountains we 350 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: have a bear called a grizzy berry. 351 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: Yes. Uh. 352 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: People that live around there are generally very relaxed, so like, sure, 353 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: you see him, it doesn't mean it's going to kill you. Yeah, 354 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: you just get used to it. And then people come 355 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: from far away and they go there and all they 356 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: talk about is grizzly bears, and then people that live 357 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: there get annoyed with them for talking about grizzly bears. 358 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: All the time. Were those guys, were those guys about 359 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: black mams? 360 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but but even the you know, the people 361 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: around here who live around here, that's really one one 362 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: snake that they're really scared of. 363 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: That's the truth. Yeah. 364 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: So you can find a few brave people who are 365 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: ready to confront it, but most would rather just go 366 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: the other way. Yeah, it's it's really scary. Yeah, that's 367 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: the truth. We U There's a guy, a honey guy 368 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: that was beaten two weeks ago because sometimes they go 369 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: and stay inside a beehive. So while he was opening 370 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 3: it up, it struck him and. 371 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: He how ells, he get into the beehive, it. 372 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 3: Goes up, climbs up the tree because the behave is 373 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: on top of and goes inside there. It seems the 374 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: bees no, don't mind him, but don't mind it. So 375 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 3: he opened it up up and it struck him and 376 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 3: three hours later he was he was dead. Yeah, and 377 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: and for me three hours, I'm like, oh, okay, it 378 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: took a while because it's usually thirty to forty forty 379 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 3: five minutes, I know, but yeah, I was also surprised 380 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 3: that three hours Okay, yeah, but yeah, so it's it's 381 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: a very dangerous snake. They are not so many. They 382 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: are very rare, and they only come out early in 383 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: the morning during the day and later in the evening 384 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 3: they go back. 385 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, right, well, thanks for the thanks for the conversation. 386 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, thank you for. 387 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: Your efforts on behalf Wildlife. Yeah, thanks for your efforts 388 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: at making us see more chill about black moms. I'm 389 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: actually pretty chill about black Yeah. I know, I like, 390 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't, I have no problem. Yeah, it's skinning. Yeahs 391 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: Kanny Seth run around. 392 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 3: It's real, baby, I'm sure it's it's a real adrenaline 393 00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 3: adrenaline russion. 394 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: It's good for that, good for that. It's like bungee jumping.