WEBVTT - Ep. 457: A Violent Game of Chess with Derek Wolfe 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:13.320 If this is the meat Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.320 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.720 Listening toast, you can't predict anything. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:25.320 Presented by First Light creating proven versatile hunting apparel from 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:29.800 Marino bass layers to technical outerwear. For every hunt, first Light, 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:37.240 go farther, stay longer. You listeners are coming in late 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.360 to a conversation. But I was just fixing to tell 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:47.200 Chester here on the subject of finding arrowheads my kids 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.280 had Did I tell you about this? They were a 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:50.440 mess with the metal detector. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:52.040 No, you didn't. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.360 And they struck some metal with that metal detector, and 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.200 on the way digging down to the metal found a 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:03.400 piece of bit, big worked piece of black obsidian, and 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.199 in their heads it detexts that. And I was trying 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:12.080 to like, no, this is coincidence. We were something it 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.000 want to be in an old hunk of barber wire fence. 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.360 Was this in your yard? What's that? Where did this 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:17.760 happen at? 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:18.399 Oh? 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.720 No, no, no, open the mountains out. Yeah, I want to 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.000 be an old But here's here's the weird deal. That 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.520 fencing was lower than it. 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:29.280 That's pretty wild. 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:33.000 It got worked. I don't know. Yeah, beautiful piece of 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:38.240 worked black obsidian. Like how big about like the size 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.039 of your film. 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.679 That little pocket. If I think it's the same place. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:44.679 It's not the same. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:53.000 Okay, well where we were it's loaded with flakes chips obviously, 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:54.440 arrowheads stay out. 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:58.360 Of there, we will real quick. Who are you guys 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.720 rooting for? On the when? Who guys rooting for? Between 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:04.440 Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.240 Oh this is I've been talking about this a lot. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:07.920 I do a sports radio show and we talk about this. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.799 On not not who's gonna well, I want to know 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.080 who's gonna win, but who you're rooting for? 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.840 See, I'm rooting for Elon, but I think Zuck has 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.840 just like a sociopath psychopath kind of So you know, 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.480 he's one jiu jitsu tournaments already. 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.639 So well, I don't know how how much does either 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:23.880 of him? 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:29.200 Way, Uh, well, Elon's definitely heavier than Zuck, so he's 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.800 gonna have to cut if it's really gonna happen, I think. 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.160 But you know, if you saw Elon's tweet, he said 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.639 that his his main move is the walrus. He just 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:39.000 lays on you See, I. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:40.919 Don't use I don't like I don't even know why 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.000 I'm rock but I don't know why because there's nothing 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.720 he's involved in the interest me. I don't use Twitter, 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.720 I have zero interest in Mars. I will never buy 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.120 a Teslatle electric car. I've bought like a thing on 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:58.720 PayPal in the last ten years going on Starlink that 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.080 I would get in. Yes, Starlink, I like him. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:04.040 Starlink is my favorite. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:05.720 I don't know why I'm rooting for him so bad. 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.880 I just I just something about Facebook is just evil 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:10.639 to me. 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.280 Yeah, you know Instagram, which I think you use daily. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:15.960 I do use that, but I don't think that my 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.400 access to that if he gets whooped, it just that 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.720 doesn't even matter that much to me, you know it is, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.560 I use one of his products. But you know what 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.880 the problem my problem is is, uh remember that movie 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:34.840 about Facebook Social painted like a very unflattering perspective. That 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:39.360 that for me is that's that that's the story, Like yeah, yeah, 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.200 and so you know, and I just have I have 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:47.960 a friendlier. I have a friendlier. Yeah, I just like 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:52.200 Elon Musk. I don't know the guy at all. Joy 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:53.000 to day by. 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:55.480 That's so random. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.760 I'm not spent on my mind. Man, we're not about 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:00.600 what gonna talk to you. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:02.880 I thought the I thought the fight was already called off. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.600 No, no, I know they're trying to make it. No, 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:10.000 you're thinking of progos ands. Uh, there is, there is, 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:10.640 there's something. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.440 There was something in the news about how Elon. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.240 Came out and said my mother asked me not to fight, and. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.680 So really yeah, see, I thought you were confused about 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.720 the in. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.520 This fight get the group and. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.720 I've been I've been reading equal amounts about both. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.200 Oh yeah, I talk about short lived coop. Yeah that 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:31.239 so fast. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:32.159 Nothing happened. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.400 I know I could. I could like woke up in 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:38.400 the morning like expecting, you know, the Kremlin, you know, 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:43.279 and he's like, we've justed to just go home. I 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.320 was like, man, the guys, I like that works. 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.320 He's a hot ruck, he's a hot tug vendor. 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.120 Yeah it works that way. Well way you go. Yeah, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.640 I know. But you know. Humble Origins joined today by 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:59.520 former Denver Broncos defensive end Derek Wolf, who sacked I mean, 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:01.880 how times if people point this out that you sacked 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:03.479 Tom Brady, Price sacked all kinds of I. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.160 Got Tom Brady. I sacked him the most though, he's 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:07.520 the quarterback that I got to the most. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.719 Here's my here's my first question for you. We're gonna 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.080 come back to this more when if you talk to 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.440 I don't want to. I'm not trying to equate military service, 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.200 which I have no experience into athletic which I have 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:24.919 no experience in. But uhle say continue, okay, if you 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:31.400 talk to him. To military uh professionals, you're striving toward 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:38.520 a like a dispassionate approach, meaning if you're going to 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:44.599 like raid bin Laden's compound, you take the same mental 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:49.000 attitude is all of the other dozens or hundreds of 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.760 rage you'd been on, right, do you know what I mean? Like, like, yeah, 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.599 you're aware, but when it comes to doing it, it's 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.280 just that's out of your head. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:00.560 Yeah, it doesn't matter who it is. 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:00.839 Yep. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.960 It's like it's the guy with the ball, seatball, get ball. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:04.360 Yep. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:05.839 Like that's that's it's simple. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.240 So but in your mind, are you like I am 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.760 gonna I have the potential right now to sack this 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:13.760 guy that people. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.480 Say it's not how it doesn't You don't even care. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.600 You don't try harder because when you're out there, everybody's 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.039 on an equal playing level, like everybody's on the same level. 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:22.880 Like it just you don't think like that, You don't 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.359 think like all is Tom Brady really just just you know, 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.560 And I was maybe I'm different because when I first 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.000 got drafted by Denver, Peyton Manning was my quarterback, so 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.000 I had a relationship with Peyton Manning right away. So 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.440 I wasn't like starstruck, you know what I mean. And 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.240 then my first sack in the first game was against 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:41.960 Ben Roethlisberg. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:42.680 You know, it's like. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.560 Guys you get nervous when you sack them. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.200 Well, guys get seriously guys kind of get like that 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:48.480 sometimes where they're like. 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:50.479 They get starstruck about a player. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.159 Well they as I got older, like in my fourth season, 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.440 I'd seen the rookie rookies come in and they'd see 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.800 Peyton and they'd be like and then not realize that 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.400 he's just like a normal guy that you know, drinks 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.360 bud heavy and plays football and you. 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:03.840 Know, he's just a normal guy. 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:05.880 He'll sit down at breakfast to have a conversation with 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:07.000 you about whatever. 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:08.480 He's just that kind of guy. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.120 And Tom Brady's the same way as a competitor, you know, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:12.560 what I mean out there on the field, Like if 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:14.120 you get him and make a good play, he'll tell you, 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.320 like a good play, you know, oh really yeah, he'd like, 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:17.520 oh that was a good play. You got me on 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.080 that one. You know that was like he bat one 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:21.440 of his passes. He'll lose his mind. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:21.960 You know. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.440 Quarterbacks hate that when he like bat passes, block balls 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.240 and stuff like that. But you know, he's just a 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.560 great competitor. Probably the best competitor I ever played against, honestly, 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.480 because you could you know, AFC Championship game in twenty fifteen, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.640 the first series of the game, I buried him and 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.360 this is when you can still land on the quarterback. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.160 And I buried him, like put all three hundred pounds 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.480 on him and just buried him into the ground. And 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.000 he just that's people forget how tough he really was. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.560 Like he jumped right back up like it was nothing, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:53.120 and I heard the wind leave him, you know, you know, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.520 And it was like the first like I think it 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.120 was a third play of the game. And we ended 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.680 up hitting him twenty seven times in that game. Oh 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.320 so he got buried twenty seven times and he still 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:03.680 almost came back and beat us. 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:05.480 They made a rule that you're not supposed to land 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.160 on the quarterback? Yeah, what are you supposed to land 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:07.640 on your elbow? 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:07.880 Oh? 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.840 They want you to like do everything you can so 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.120 you can't hit him below the knees, you can't touch 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.360 his head at all, don't even like graze his head, 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.000 and you can't hit him with your own head. You 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.200 can't grab him and whip him to the ground, dude, 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:24.200 So it's got to be So. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.680 It changed everything. It made it a lot harder to 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.560 tackle him. So it's like you're like playing in the 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:30.520 yard with your kids. 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.040 Well you like it, Yeah, it's like pick him up, Like, 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.719 I don't know. So the first year they implemented them 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:37.920 set him down. The first year they implemented that role. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.760 This is little off. So the first year they implement that. Ever, 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.679 I missed like seven opportunities to have a sack, right, 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.880 and these are you know this we could talk about 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.040 because you're nervous. Well it's not even that. It's just 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.600 that like, yeah, you're nervous because the fine, So I'm saying, 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.960 like you're nervous breaking it's a fifteen to twenty five 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.360 thousand dollars fine when you get those rough in the 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:56.400 passer calls. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:57.440 That comes out of whose pocket? 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:57.800 Mine? 0:08:58.440 --> 0:08:58.760 Really? 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.679 Yeah, a pre tax too, and they're already taxing you. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.160 I'm already paying fifty percent. You know, I'm already paying 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:07.800 half of my money to the gut to Uncle Sam. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.240 And then the you know, the league is like, oh, 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.000 by the way, you had a penalty. So here's a 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.679 fifteen thousand dollars fine that just shows up in your 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.719 locker and you never you don't even write to check. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.680 They just take it out of your paycheck. It's crazy. 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.200 So the first year of the implementary. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.520 Watching football, they don't have the They don't like put 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:23.959 that like. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.320 No, no, like you Oh how many fines is he paid? 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.440 You can find for all kinds of stuff. We had 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.400 a guy that you know, weight finds it's a thousand 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:32.040 dollars a pound. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:33.240 What's that mean? 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:34.760 When you're when you you have a you have a 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.560 weight that you're supposed to be at, and if you're 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.160 over or under that weight, it's a thousand bucks a pound. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:40.600 How precise is the weight? 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:42.080 It depends? 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:43.240 Oh why does the band so? 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.040 Underweight is usually like forgivable. But when you're overweight, that's 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.120 when they start hitting you. Like if you'd one to 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.640 two pounds over, they. 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.040 Might warn the band you're supposed to land in. 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:55.440 So all right, So for example, we had a guy 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.080 that his his report his report weight was three hundred 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.000 and thirty pounds. He's showed up at four of like 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:05.480 four fifteen at training camp, and over that season he 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.680 got fined three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.600 It takes body body shame into a whole new level. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.920 Right, yeah, yeah, so you gotta every Friday. 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.960 Body shaming is that by the NFL or by the 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:19.120 team that's by the team. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.959 Didn't Von Miller famously get fined for farting in like 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:23.880 a film session too? 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.920 Oh yeah, that was it. Yeah, So that's like a 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.040 that it's like a position group thing. So every position 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:31.959 group in their room. So we always had it was 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.080 one hundred. It was a five hundred dollars fine for farting. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:41.040 We just the fun thing about those ones, are you 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:41.960 guys self please? 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:42.880 Yeah? 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:43.640 Oh yeah, because. 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.600 You wouldn't like, well, you're plus one hundred for snitching. 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.199 So if I catch somebody far like hey it was him, 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:53.640 it was I got a hard bucks. 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:55.960 This right here is one of the many reasons I 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:57.800 didn't become a professional football player. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.480 But it's simply just get up and walk out and fart, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.560 you know what I mean. So the funny thing about 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.240 Vaughn is Vaughn ended up bringing you know that fart spray. Yeah, 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.559 he'd bring that fart spray and spray and just everybody 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.839 would lose. Like it just cleared the whole room out 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.040 for a couple hours. But yeah, the fun thing about 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.599 those finds, those room finds, like the position finds, we 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.240 get to take that money at the end of the 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.480 year and go do something for ourselves with it, like 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.920 as a group, you know, go to like a big dinner, 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.559 go like go to Vegas or something. Cheese, go to 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.840 Chuck e Cheese, Urban Air, do some trampolines, you know, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.440 all kinds of cool stuff you could do with it. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.320 But yeah, but the landing on the quarterback thing, it 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.800 made it. I remember when the referees come in, they 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.880 come in during training camp and explain the new rules, 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:41.600 and they started talking about this and we were like, well, then, 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.000 how are we supposed to tackle him to the ground? 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.480 And the refs were like, I don't know, that's what 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.680 they said. They said, we don't know, figure it out. 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.120 Just don't land on him. If you land on him, 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.200 we will throw the flag, like no matter what if 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.920 your body lands on top of his. And there we 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.040 were like, well what if we like sprawl out like 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.839 you know what I mean, it's like sprang and like 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.280 you know, it doesn't matter if you land on him, 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:06.600 it's over. 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.240 And then so you're doing like a plank over him. 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.240 Yeah, so basically what they want you to do is 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:11.800 like pick him up and like fall on your back 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:12.600 with him on top of you. 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:15.880 That's kind of what they want. 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.000 And what was happening is I get the guys wrapped 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.640 up and the go to spin them and they just 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.360 throw the ball away. So I'm like, I'm missing all 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:26.080 these sacks because I can't like bury the guy. And 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.000 then it then you that's the other thing. The more 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.160 you have to think out there, the slower you are 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.559 and you miss opportunities and stuff like that. So yeah, 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.200 it's a stupid role that is changing games. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:35.800 And you see it. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:37.360 Now where guys are You're like, how is that a 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.480 roughing the passers? Because you can't land on the guy 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.160 and it's insane. And then you can't you can't touch 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.360 his You can't graze his helmet, Like, don't even graze it. 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:45.720 That's a fifteen yard flag. 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.960 Peyton Manning strikes me as a millerte guy. You said 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:49.880 he drinks Budweiser. 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.360 Really he's what he's a hunter? 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.800 Oh yeah, sure, but that that doesn't mean that he 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.400 uh no, he's exclusive to Budweiser. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.440 He strikes you like a light beer if I had if. 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.120 I looked at Peyton Manning, knowing what I know about 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.439 Peyton Manning, but like he drinks Miller Light, not Budweiser, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:08.760 Bud heavies. 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.559 Okay, Oh you don't mean because of I've had enough 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:13.400 current events for. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:17.280 Today, not even not even related to that. Just he 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.280 looks like he'd be in a Miller Light ad. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.120 Derrek Wolf came out just just for listeners. Uh, Derek 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.280 Wolf was heavy duty on our radar and uh we 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:32.320 even wrote a bottom, wrote a bottom at our website 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.160 on the meter dot com because he got in one 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.280 of those uh, one of those things that happens six 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:42.480 times a year where a person well known in one 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:48.640 sphere of the world goes hunting and then they uh 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.400 and then they pay the price on social media with 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.760 all the uproar and death threats. In your case, you 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.439 did a mountain lion hunt, no. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.240 Poaching, no, everything was by the book. Man, I did 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.240 everything by the book. It wasn't even a paid like 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.960 outfitting hunt. It was like a buddy of mine that 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.360 runs hounds and was like, I said, hey, if you 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.520 ever have an opening and you want to go, hit 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.240 me up, like I'm just we can go forty five 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:15.880 minutes outside the city and chase lions. 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:16.120 You know. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:21.240 So this is actually my second time having PETA and 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.160 TMC and all them guys on my butt, you know, 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.480 over over hunting because I I went to New Mexico 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:27.920 and did a bison hunt with my bow. 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.320 Oh they got him riled up, and that got them 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.200 all rolled up. And what riled them up really. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.080 Was the picture I posted because it was a perfect 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.920 heart shot. So when we get when we opened that 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.440 animal up, my ear was still buried in its heart. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:40.920 So I pulled the heart out, and I was. 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:42.080 Like, they didn't like that. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:42.400 None. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.480 They didn't like that. They didn't like that at all. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:45.320 So they made a big deal. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.120 But they're like buffalo or they're going extinct. I'm like, 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.640 they're not. Come on, no, they're not. They just people 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:52.880 don't know. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.280 It's so beside the point, like any kind of reality, 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.200 so beside the point. It was funny is we could 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.640 do that kind of stuff. Well, in fact, do do 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.840 that kind of stuff all day long. But it's just 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.520 like people don't like being surprised. They know someone somewhere 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.480 and they don't like seeing that that. They don't like 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.520 seeing that raw edge in them. Yeah, surprises them. Yeah, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.600 like if you're like famous for something, if you're like 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.720 an attractive young lady, they're just not gonna like it. 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.520 Well, it's like, are you surprised I told Philip Rivers 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.840 I was gonna eat his children? Like you're surprised that 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:25.680 I'm out bow hunting? 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:30.360 You'd have to be hungry, yes, yeah, but. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.280 That's I mean, that's another story that was That was 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.200 That was hilarious when I said that to him, because 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.120 he talked a lot of smack, you know, Phil did. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.560 But but with the lion hunt, the way it went down, man, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.520 it was. It was my buddy Alex Nessa, he runs hounds, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.120 and he was like, Hey, tomorrow we're getting in front, 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:46.120 We're going to fresh now tonight. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:47.840 You know, be on call. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:49.560 I'll call you if we find When I said, listen, 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.840 i'll be at your house at five thirty, we're gonna 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:53.280 go out and do something regardless. 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:54.920 So he's like, all right, cool. 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.200 So I show up and we started, you know, trying 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.320 to cut tracks, just driving back roads, and then found 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.880 a couple of smaller tracks, nothing really worth chasing. A 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:06.840 couple of females, a couple of cubs, a couple of 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.960 smaller males, and which are really after is this big toms? 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.680 Because the big toms are like, they're killing a lot 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.240 of deer, they're killing a lot of elk, they're killing 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.360 a lot of sheep, they're killing dogs, they're killing other 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.440 cubs to get the females back in the heat, just 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.000 like bears do, and bigger, and they're just bigger and 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:23.800 cooler and harder to get. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:25.880 So we cut this. 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.240 We come across this track and it was kind of 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.360 going back and forth from up under the underneath this 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.520 guy's cabin. It's going from from his cabin porch to 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.200 under this tree. So we go over and look onder 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:37.840 the tree. There's a half feet meal deer under there, 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.680 big four by four, and we're like, oh, this is 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:42.040 the one. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.400 You know, his track was huge. I couldn't believe. I 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.240 was like, I was like, these. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.280 Things are out here roaming around just in you know, 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.440 people's neighborhoods. Pretty it's not like a it's a mountain neighborhood, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:51.960 you know what those neighborhoods look like. But still it's 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.960 a neighborhood. So so there's public land all around, but 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:57.400 where the line had went. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:58.040 Through, it was private. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.120 So we had to get permis from this guy so 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.440 we could go through there and and cut his tracks. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:04.960 So we're just like kind of hoping that this guy's 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.160 not an anti hunter and is down for it. 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:07.840 Uh. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.200 So we went up and kind of knocked. It was 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:10.560 like six in the morning at this point, so I 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.800 just kind of tapped on the door, and we're like, wow, hey, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.720 there's a line out here. You know, I don't want 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.000 to do that, so I just kind of tapped on 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.400 the door and he didn't answer. Nobody came to the door. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:20.600 I didn't see the lights on, so I was like, 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:21.760 maybe he's just not a home. But there was a 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.680 truck in the driveway, so I assumed somebody was home. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.080 So we left and we were trying to find a 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.879 phone number to call this guy. On and with you know, 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.000 with Google and with you know, all these online maps, 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:32.840 now you can kind of figure out who owns what property. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.879 And we were able to get some of the neighbor's numbers, 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.600 and we started hearing stories about how many lions are 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.960 actually in this area causing wreaking havoc like this. One 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:42.840 woman was talking about how last year a couple of 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.800 dogs got eaten and her dog, her dogs are being 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.840 harassed every night. She's afraid to leave her house at 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.320 night because there's a line that comes up and looks 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.440 in her window and just stares at stares in the 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:53.560 window at her little dogs. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:54.280 Pervert. 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:58.919 Yeah, like this little pervert lion, you know, yeah, peeping. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:05.640 That was good, doctor Randall. We need a little scorecard. Yeah, 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.399 but I think this podcast Randall. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.120 But we turns out that that's like a dude ranch 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.040 where this guy it's like the ranch manager. The guy 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.919 lives there on this dude ranch. So, uh, we couldn't 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.600 get a hold of anybody that owned the dude ranch. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.680 So finally we drive We just were like, let's drive 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.600 down and see if we can get around his property 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.000 and try to catch the tracks, which is gonna it's 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.960 gonna suck because the hiking is like straight up and down. 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.040 It's straight cliffs, two feet of fresh snow. It's going 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.440 to be kind of miserable regardless. So we're like, well, 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:36.920 you know, it's going to take us three miles out 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:38.800 of our way, but you know, if we want to 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.760 get him, we got to go now. So we started 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:43.439 driving down and here comes the guy out of his 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.280 out of his house, kind of waving at us. He's like, hey, 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.879 you guys lying hunters and we're like yeah, and he 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.560 was like, you see these tracks going across my Arner said, dude, 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:51.720 we've been trying to get a hold of you for 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:52.400 two hours. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.000 And he's like, oh, is that you guys on the porch? 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.240 I said yeah. He's like, oh, I thought it was 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:56.720 that lion. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.439 So he thought the lion because he said he's like, 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.240 there's this big line that keeps coming up onto my 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.760 porch and looking in my windows and so so the track, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:08.679 I mean, the tracks went right by his steps, you know, 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.080 and he's like, did you see how big those tracks are. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.639 We're like, he's like, he's huge. And he's like we're like, 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.320 you care if we go after him? He's like, please 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.320 go get him, Please get him out of here. So we so, 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.320 you know, we jump out, I grab my pack, grab 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.560 my bow, we let the dogs out, and we just 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.199 go straight up and we and on the way up, 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.040 I'm like, I'm starting to slip and slide already, and 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.080 I'm like, this ain't good. This is going to turn 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:32.959 in and I already know what it. Hopefully he's treated at 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:34.920 the top of this this mountain already, Like hopefully he 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.159 was just up there and he's treed already. Well, we 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.639 get up there, and he wasn't. He goes all the 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.760 way back down the other the backside. So we started 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.720 like nine thousand feet or like eighty nine hundred feet 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:47.760 and go all the way up to like eleven two. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:48.280 Or something like that. 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.000 Oh really, and then drop back down on the other side, 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.000 down into a drainage. And then he runs up this drainage. 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.640 So at this point, I'm you know, I'm almost three 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.439 hundred pounds out there, and I'm in good shape, but 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.080 getting through snow and stuff like that, it just takes 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:05.960 twice as much energy to get anywhere. So I'm like 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.480 falling behind already, you know, on the way up, let 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.399 alone the way down, which was just like might as 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:12.480 well just sled down. 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.880 I was just going through snow and my skinny ass 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.040 little body, you'd be loving it. 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:18.000 Oh, I'd be awesome. 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.000 I mean switch gears. 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:21.920 I was. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.280 Cutting through that snow like you wouldn't believe. 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:26.520 Man. 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:28.359 By the time I got to the other side of 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.480 that mountain and was like I gotta I was. I 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.600 just was falling the tracks, following Alex and the dogs. 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.960 I was just following their tracks. So by the time 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.040 I get to to like halfway down that hill, I 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.399 had to stop because I was like sweating already. I 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:45.399 was like starting to like I don't know, I'm starting 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:46.280 because I was like, this. 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:47.880 Is gonna be a long day. I already know it. 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.000 So I get down and I crawled up through all 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.440 this dead fall and and uh and the snow at 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.160 that down in that drain and you know, all rolls 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:56.840 down there. It was up to my chest pretty much. 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.200 So I just started crawling. I just crawled through, and 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:00.720 he was like. 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:02.400 And the Lion's cutting across the top of. 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.440 It, yeah, so more or less floating on it. Yeah, 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.720 he's just floating on and the dogs are floating on it. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.000 And then Alex is you know, he's not. He's like 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:10.960 one hundred and sixty five hundred and sventy five pounds, 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.000 so he's just kind of floating on it too. But me, 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.640 every time I take a step, it's just like straight down. 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.200 So I just started crawling. So I crawled and he keeps. 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:20.600 He calls me. He goes, where are you at? And 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:22.720 I said, dude, I'm I don't even know where. I 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.199 can't hear the hounds anymore. I'm way behind you. And 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:26.919 he was like, all right, We'll just keep following my tracks. 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:28.560 He's like, I think they got him. I think they 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.600 got him treated now about you know, two miles up here. 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.720 And I was like, all right, cool, So I keep 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:33.360 going and then he. 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:33.840 Calls me again. 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:35.520 He goes, hey, there's a spot where you're gonna see 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:36.800 where I turned and went to go up the hill 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:38.320 and came back down. Just keep going up the hill 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.400 when you get there. And I'm like, okay. He calls 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.479 it a hill. No, it's a it's a straight mountain. 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.560 And so I just go straight up that mountain, crawl 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:48.800 up there. I get to the top and start walking 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:50.600 the ridge, following his tracks, and he calls me again. 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:52.800 He's like, you gotta you know, he starts freaking out. 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:54.879 I don't know if you've ever been onto these hound hunts. Oh, 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.800 it's chaos. He's he's and in the background I can 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:01.639 hear the hounds. He's like, we're gonna lose this line. 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.200 Where are you at? He's huge, and I was like, dude, 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.800 I'm coming, like, I'm doing everything I can. I'm going 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:08.800 as fast as I can. At this point, I'm cramping. 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.040 So I'm now my hamstrings, my quads and my forearms 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:13.920 and my like rib cage is like starting to cramp 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:15.200 up and I can't. 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:16.760 Like your rib cage is cramped. 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.000 Yeah, like all those like in here, like all those 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.560 abdomen muscles are starting to lock up on me. And 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.040 I'm like, oh, this ain't good. He goes, all right, 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:25.800 I'm gonna drop you a pin. Come straight to the pin. 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:27.720 I'm like all right, So he drops this pin and 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.840 I just like hauled down. I just like roll down 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:33.280 the mountain pretty much, just sliding and ripping my pants 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.199 up and falling all over the place. And because I 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:38.040 can't stand up and walk, because if I stand up 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.440 a walk, I just cramp. I'm just like Charlie Horse 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:42.480 Charlie Horse, Charlie Horse. And then like I'm like, oh, like, 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.000 my whole body starts locking up. So I just like, 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:46.920 I'm just gonna crawl. So I crawled down backwards down 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:48.800 that thing and rolled down it and slid down it 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:50.720 as much as I could get to the pen. 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:54.080 It's on the road. I'm like, oh nah, and he 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:54.760 I called him. 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:56.320 I was like, dude, you drop me a pin on 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.240 the road. Are you seriously goes Oh, you're you know, 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:01.800 we're screwed now. You're never getting up here. 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:02.280 Oh. 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:03.919 And I was like, wait, He's like, you gotta come 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:05.760 all the way back up. He's like, I told you 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:07.560 to walk the ridge and drop down on the pin. 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:09.639 I said, no, you didn't. You said come straight to 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:11.119 the pin. I said, all right, I'm not arguing. 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:11.560 I'm coming. 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.879 And this is only like nine hundred yards that I 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.000 had to go to get to him get or nine 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:18.000 hundred feet to get to. 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:18.520 Where he was. 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:19.880 It's been like hours at this point. 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:20.920 Oh yeah, oh. 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:23.800 Yeah, it's yeah, we're four or five hours into this, 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.160 like like it just took so long to get anywhere. 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.040 And I look up and I still it's in this cut. 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:32.199 So it's a big cut like this, and it's just 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:34.840 deadfall everywhere and little cliffs and stuff, and I'm like, 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:36.960 all right, here you go. So I just crawled my 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:38.320 way up there. It took me about an hour and 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.919 a half to get to get up there. And I 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:44.000 get up there and I hear, you know right, he's 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:45.800 got the hounds and he's like, you're almost every buddy, 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:48.400 keep coming. Then I turn and look and I look 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.199 up and there's a lion sitting right above me in 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.399 a tree doing that. 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:54.720 And I was like, oh man, he's huge. 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:56.680 I was like, I can't believe how biggie is. And 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:58.240 I was like, I just shoot him here, and he's like, no, 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:00.960 he's gotta fall on you. I was like, I can't move, man, 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.080 I'm done. And there's a video of me if you 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.560 look on my Instagram or even on my YouTube channel. 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:08.200 He took a veh had his phone out taking a 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:11.000 video of me standing up in that moment, and you 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:12.280 can see on my face I'm. 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:13.000 Just pale white. 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:15.800 I'm just look like defeated, right, And I'm like I 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:17.680 just wouldn't give up, though, So I just kept going 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:19.399 and I had to go like ten more yards to 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:21.760 get to him, and I just got up and made 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.600 my way up to him, and he was facing me. 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:26.800 The lion was facing straight at me in that tree, 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:28.639 so I had to do a frontel on him. And 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:31.679 I was like, all right, it's time to send one. 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:33.400 And he was like, put it right above this little 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:35.400 white spot and I was like, all right, I put 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:36.840 it right on that white spot. And he fell out 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:38.480 of the tree and I just boom, fell to the 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:41.239 ground and I was just like I'm done. I was like, 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:43.080 I hope he doesn't come up here because I can't 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.160 fight back right now. And he's like, all right, give 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:48.159 him a minute. And we didn't hear any movement, so 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:49.639 he's like, all right, I'm go down there and check it. 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:51.480 So he goes down there, he's like, we got a 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:53.679 dead lion, you know. He go starts freaking out and 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:55.560 he's like, let the hounds come down. So I had 0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:58.280 to like unhook those and that took me forever because 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:01.040 every movement was like and then I start thinking, how 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:02.919 am I going to get him out of here? How 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.240 manna get this line out of here? So I let 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.080 the dogs go and go down there, and he's like, where, 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:09.280 hurry up, get down here, and I'm just like trying 0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:11.440 to take my time, you know. So I crawl backwards 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:13.200 down there. When I say backwards, I'm on my hands 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.320 and knees, crawling backwards down the hill, slipping, sliding down, 0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:18.639 you know, and grabbing trees to hold me. And finally 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.360 we get to it, and I couldn't believe how big 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.600 he was. Could not believe. I was like, this thing 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.880 could drag me by my neck up a tree if 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:29.720 it wanted to. And he goes, we gotta get a 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:31.639 picture of this thing. He's like, he's like, set your 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.280 stuff over here, and let's take a picture of him. 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.480 And I was like, dude, forget the picture. Man, let's 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:37.200 get him out of here. And he's like, no, no, no, 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:39.600 he's huge. He's one of the biggest lines I've ever seen. 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:42.080 He's been hunting lines for, you know, fifteen years, so 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:43.880 he's he knows what he's talking about. 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:44.879 And so I'm like, all right, whatever. 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:47.880 I go to pick this thing up and I grab 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:49.480 it around a belly and I lift it up and 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:52.200 I'm like, I'm like, dude, this thing is like two 0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:54.520 hundred pounds. He's like, nah, he's probably like one seventy 0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:56.280 one sixty five, and I'm like, dude, I know what 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.600 two hundred pounds feels like. This thing's two hundred plus, 0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:02.360 telling you, and he's like, yeah, whatever, and I get 0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:04.080 him up and then he's in the head just like 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:07.080 flops right onto my forehead and I'm like, che you know, 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:09.440 you can't even see my face and he goes flop 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.520 his head to the side, so I like like nudge 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:14.720 his head over and boomy. That's the picture the famous 0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:16.800 bitch I snapped that he snapped of me right there, 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:19.480 and then I just dropped him and he comes over. 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.320 Let me feel this thing. He could hardly pick it up. 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.600 He's like, oh man, he is heavy. So we gutted 0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:26.960 him out and I just laid him acry. I have 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.480 a Kafaro Striker XL pack and has like a meat 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:31.960 hanger on it, so I just like hung that line 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:34.840 across that. So the tail it's eight and a half 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.040 feet long, so the tail's hanging out one end and 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:40.920 the head's hanging out the other end. And there's also 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.480 a video of me doing that, trying to get over 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:46.200 this dead fall, and you can see I'm just like wrecked. 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:48.800 He goes heavy, huh, And I'm like yeah, it's heavy. 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.159 I was like, I pack elk out and everything, you know, 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:52.800 put one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty pounds of 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:55.520 elk meat, you know, with a skull and antlers, and 0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:59.520 really don't have a problem. This is like I'm struggling 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:01.600 with this. So I did the same thing. He's like, 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.600 I'm gonna get the dogs down here because it wore out, 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.320 you know. So he just takes off. He doesn't even 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.600 help me, he just takes off. So I strapped my 0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:09.520 boat on my packs, you know, with the lion in there, 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:13.239 and get in and I start crawling down backwards with 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.600 this lion just like dragging on, you know, it's just 0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:16.760 dragging all over the place. 0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:18.600 And I get to this. 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:21.040 I thought I was taking the same path that I 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:22.480 took up, but I kind of went the wrong way, 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:27.640 and I like I had to get across this little 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:30.919 drop off. It was probably ten foot drop off, and 0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:32.560 I was like, I got to walk across this now. 0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.679 And when I say, I took one step and just 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.840 foot feet came right out from under me shim. And 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:40.439 I was like, I just put my arms across my 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:43.280 body and accepted my fate. At that point, I was like, 0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.480 who knows what I'm gonna land on, And luckily I 0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:48.960 landed like right underneath this tree and it was just soft, 0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:52.320 and I was just super lucky that I landed right there, 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:54.720 because like all around me is deadfall and I could 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:55.800 have gotten paled or something. 0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:57.240 But I fell off that thing. 0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:00.560 And then I had to repack the lion on this slope, 0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.560 you know, I had to repack him in there because 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:04.439 he was all it was all screwed up. So I 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:06.840 repacked him and I come crawling down out of there. 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:08.560 It took me like an hour and a half to 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:10.760 get down out of that and finally got him to 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.119 the truck, sat him on the truck, and was just like, 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.760 oh god. I was like I can't I can't believe 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:18.359 that took six It was like six and a half 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:22.280 hours up there, just getting my just getting my butt kicker. 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:26.080 You're like, next time, I'm going to bring some electrolyts, right, Yeah. 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.200 Well I did. I mean I drank electrolytes and everything. 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:28.720 But the problem. 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:30.520 The thing is when you get to that altitude, yeah 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:32.720 you know what I mean, it's like it just sucks 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:34.800 it right out of you, you know. Plus you know 0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:37.520 it's cold, so you have to have, you know, some 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:40.040 cold gear on. So I got a puffy on and 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:42.440 and everything, but it wasn't like I couldn't really take 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:44.760 it off because then I'm already sweating, so now I'm 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:46.320 going to freeze if I take it off. So I 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.840 just like accepted my fate at that point and we 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:51.640 jumped in the truck. And the funny thing was is 0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:53.440 I I was I was like two hours late for 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.160 my radio show that I did, sports radio show. I 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:57.720 was like two hours late for my show, and They're like, 0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.080 where are you at? And I'm like, I sent him. 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:00.680 A picture of me plug the sh tell people what 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:01.320 you do. Yeah. 0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.960 So it's uh, it's a sports radio show. It's one 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.520 of four three the Fan. We're the number one sports 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.600 show in Denver. So we just talk at all things sports. 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:12.320 I'm I'm doing that and I'm also doing a pod, 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.440 my own podcast. I just launched my first episode. It's 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:17.120 the Wolf Fun Tame Podcast. And then I'm doing a 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.080 hunting show as well, and we just started launching episodes 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:23.640 from my first fall out of football, you know, hunting, 0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.719 bow hunting and turkey hunting, stuff like that. That's called 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.000 Wolf Untamed It's on YouTube as well, so you can 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:31.920 check us out on Spotify. Then you can also on 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.120 Denver sports dot com. You can watch you can watch 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:35.840 the show. It's pretty funny, like we have a good time. 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:38.760 It's really like a comedy show. We're just goofing around 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:39.320 the whole time. 0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:43.280 Oh, I should point out? Can I point that out? 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:45.600 Yes? Please? 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:47.360 Who said that? 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.160 That was Phil Man? I'll get a. 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.480 Drive me crazy? Is that a genuine question about who 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:53.920 said that? 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:55.120 I could tell? 0:29:55.160 --> 0:30:01.560 I can't tell. I used to look Phil dead in 0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:06.160 the face, dead in the face. I can tell what 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:10.479 he's thinking. Now I can't see this. I mean, I 0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:18.600 asked the guy cannot see Phil? Oh, there's his hands 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.480 sticking up. Cal was thinking we'd put a little like 0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:24.760 a heart monitor up in the corner, so least tell 0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:26.160 like his vitals signs. 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.480 Feel like a little live feed on the on the 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:30.160 TV there speaking. 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:32.680 Of Okay, that's great segue. You can watch what we're 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:36.400 doing right now on YouTube. Phil's got it all rigged up. 0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:40.640 It's become Phil's like passion project. This is being filmed 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:45.080 right now. I wish we could see Phil's face because 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.240 you think a guy, If you think a guy that 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.960 was that like to do that was a thespian. 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:56.040 You know what that means, Phil, Yeah, an actor of 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:57.280 stage and screen. 0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:00.959 You think a thespian like Phil would be like jumping 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.840 up and down at his big chance to like be 0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:06.920 broadcast on yet another platform. That makes me a little uncomfortable, 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:08.520 But I do have there as a film doesn't want 0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.640 to he doesn't want to be as. 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:12.360 It's kind of fun to just imagine what. 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:14.200 The viewers can see. I just cut to the film cam. 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:14.920 It exists. 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.080 You guys, can you're on the film camera, film cam 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.440 right now, go camera. 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.760 For You're actually wrong, Steve. He's he's the only one 0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:26.120 who has their own camera on him. So there is, 0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:26.600 and there is. 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:28.600 He's hidden back. There is because he's probably like got 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.800 like his face powder on and it's like he's got 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:33.920 his makeup on a little eyeliner. He doesn't want everybody 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.840 to tease him. Uh, we're gonna, we're gonna dig back 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:39.920 into Uh we're gonna We're I want we're gonna dig 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.200 back into more of the more because we gotta get 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.200 that was a good part of the story. Yeah, yeah, 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:47.840 the other garbage is whatever part of the story. But 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:49.840 that was that was the part? I like, yeah, well, 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:53.000 you know, it just real funny. We just did a 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.160 thing with the did you follow the blue marlin controversy? 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.920 Those boys that caught that blue marlin down to North 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.560 Carolina and won a big tournament. 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:04.200 I didn't follow it. No, I heard about it, so 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:05.520 he pay much attention to. 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:07.720 Roughly, these dudes go out and they join a tournament 0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:11.280 and they're kind of like they're under underdogs in the 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.719 blue Marlin tournament, but they win the blue Yeah, they 0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:17.239 don't win. They catch a big ass blue marlin. This 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.160 episode's already out, people could check it out. Was that filmed? 0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:22.840 No, that's that's not gonna be a video. 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:27.960 Uh, they catch a big blue marlin six hundred odd pounds, 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:30.920 but it gets disqualified because it had a little bitte 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:31.440 mark on it. 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:33.960 Oh because the shark got gone on shark bit it. 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:37.440 So they lost their three point five million bucks. We 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.080 had them on and one of the things they were 0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.480 appreciative of this is like a little plug for our show, 0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.520 is they had done every interview in the world. Who 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:48.360 are they interview with. 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:53.680 Krinn, New York Times, CNN, Washington. 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:55.000 Post, every local. 0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:57.200 NPR was n PR. 0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:58.640 New York Times is doing a piece on. 0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:04.200 Them, UK Daily Mail and all that website, all that, 0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:08.080 and he says he's never gotten to talk about what 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:10.520 he imagines is the cool part is catching the fish. 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.120 Yeah, talk about catching the fish. 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.560 And it's a crazy story about catching the fish. No 0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:20.280 one cares about catching the fish because we've probably got 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:25.560 to tell about catching the damn fish, which was amazing, Right, 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:27.200 that's a huge fish. 0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.480 I actually now that you're telling me, I saw the 0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:31.880 picture of the fish, but I didn't see where that 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:33.600 was like a superficial dude. 0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:34.880 Where I had a bite on it. I didn't even 0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:35.200 see it. 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.160 You know what, if you go, folks can go back 0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:43.000 and listen to this. Uh, they didn't even know because 0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.560 when they pulled the they pulled the fishes. They when 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:47.320 they pulled the fish up, I think they pulled up 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:52.600 the the fish's starboard side and they couldn't see the 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.240 port side of the fish. That's how it's like they 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.479 didn't even know. Yeah, they've know, they pulled it up. 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.520 You can't, like you said, you can't roll these things around. 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.200 It wasn't even they weren't even then later that he 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:04.520 was like aware of it, but didn't even give it 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.240 any thought. It's just like a mark. Yeah, and he 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:20.560 said about heartbreak it's great. Joined also by Bill vander Hayden. 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:21.279 How's going man? 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:22.000 Good? 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.520 You missed a good transition there? Oh what should I 0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:27.200 have done? You should ask Derek will Broadhead. He used, 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:28.840 I was gonna do that and I forgot about it. 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:31.839 I was using an iron Will you were? 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:33.280 Do you know Bill Pryor? 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:33.880 Yeah? 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.439 Yeah, Oh so you guys have met? You guys are Yeah, 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:36.600 I was. 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.200 I've been shooting iron Wills for a while now. 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.239 Really, so we met at the Colorado Bull Hunters Hey, 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:45.000 Bill Stake, we met at the Colorado Bull Hunters Association. 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.839 So how's thing's been going to Iron Will Man Good? Good? 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:51.880 Been busy? Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you guys have me 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:55.359 on last year doing that podcast on physics Fate and 0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:57.799 physics and fatality. I think it was called but yeah. 0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:00.480 I got a lot of interest in and us from that, 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:01.480 So appreciate it. 0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.040 Oh that's good. You know, I wanted to ask you 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.520 do you Uh? I guess you probably wouldn't know this 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.239 because you can't tell that if people that listened to 0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:13.640 the show. This is like, I guess this is a 0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:17.520 marketing question. People that listened to the show and came 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:22.000 to you from having heard the show, did they did 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:27.960 they seem to be like mostly Western elk hunters or 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:30.480 were you hearing from like white tail hunters and whatnot? 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.040 Yeah, good question. I think a lot of the Western 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:37.080 like elk hunters had kind of already heard of this, 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.719 so I think a lot of the people were more 0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:43.520 Midwest or even Eastern white tail hunters. Like we went 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.799 to Pennsylvania Total Archery Challenge event. I had a lot 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:48.799 of people come up to the booth there say they 0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:50.759 heard the Meat Eater podcast and also a dent we 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.719 were down in at a Dallas show and a lot 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:55.040 of people there as well down in. 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:59.360 Texas got it. Yeah, man, had I had an opportunity 0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.479 to use your broad heads hunting white tails last winter 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.040 and phenomenal, and my my friend I was hunting with 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:08.040 we were both using them and they work on EUT right. 0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:11.839 But what's cool about this is we're now you can 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.759 now come and find in addition to coming to our 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:20.719 store and finding first Light gear, finding FHF gear phelps, 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:26.400 game calls soon to be DSD, you can also now 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.840 come and find you know, those are those are like, 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.080 those are our brands. This is not you. We were 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:37.320 now able to carry iron Will broadheads on our website. 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.120 Can you tell tell folks what they can find on 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:40.880 our website. 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.800 Yeah, we're gonna launch here with our S series broadheads 0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:48.560 or S one hundred, which is what you and and 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:52.120 Jason used on your Elka in New Mexico, along with 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:54.840 our S one twenty five to our very popular heads, 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.359 and then our new our new head for the year, 0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.720 which is a wide single bevel one hundred and fifty 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:02.320 grand head, which is our one new broadhead that we 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.160 just launched. So those are gonna get the three options 0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:08.640 that Yeah, and yeah, you guys have been using our 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:10.919 heads for a while and we appreciate all the help 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:12.920 you've done, you know, helping spread the words. So I 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:14.360 think it's yeah, great partnership. 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:16.080 Oh it's great. Man, you got a big old bear 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:16.520 to spring? 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.839 I did, Yeah, I got a giant bear. Sketchewan, what 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:21.600 was going on with that? 0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:22.600 You know? 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.200 I've been going there for a few years and seeing 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:29.480 big bears occasionally, and and man, each year I kind 0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:31.640 of see a bigger one. And this this guy when 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.080 he was coming through, so he weighed four hundred and 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.560 seventy three pounds. Oh really yeah, twenty one inch. 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:40.840 Skull, just just a tank. And I see what's the 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:42.680 boon and crocket cut off? Is it twenty one or 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.239 twenty twenty for the yearly and twenty one for the 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.640 all time? Has your has yours dried yet? No? 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:51.080 So he might not make the all time? 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:53.200 Might shrink? Just dry him in a bucket of water. 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:59.040 That's trip Phelps, does it? I heard. 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:00.480 I'm sitting in the stand. 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:02.040 Films did not tell me that trick. 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:05.959 You could do the The Felts told me that joke. 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:07.959 Phelps told me that joke, not that trick. 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.000 The Beatles too, I guess the beat like there's a 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:12.160 beetle process. 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:16.160 Yoh yeah, drifted. What's that beatle call? Dirmisted dirmistic beetle 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.479 carrying beetle that shrinks it less? 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:20.520 Yeah, yeah, he'll drink it last. 0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:22.520 Yeah. I used Beatles actually on this one. 0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:24.480 Yeah. Man, I used to hang out with the dude 0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.480 that had one of them. Beatleworks. This just the like 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:31.480 the like, and there's the ways to control. But that 0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:34.000 is a smell that you can't find anywhere else. Man, 0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:36.920 If you bottle that smell and squirted out of a 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:38.439 can clear room. 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:39.440 That's funny. 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:42.080 The outfitter up there had beetles, so we really much 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:42.719 he had his own. 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:44.080 He had his own, so we threw it in there 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.399 right away, and then like a day or two later, 0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:48.440 we just went in there to check on it, and 0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:49.960 three of the guys that were there on the hunt 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.399 started gagging just by going in that room. 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:56.160 So sure, man, it's an insane smell in that room. Man. Yeah, 0:38:57.320 --> 0:38:58.520 uh so what's gonna happen with that? 0:38:58.560 --> 0:38:58.759 You know? 0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:00.200 What? Do you know? Get a big old rough made 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:00.480 out of it. 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:01.960 I think I'm gonna do a big bear rug, put 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:04.640 it up in the in our shop there on the wall. 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:07.840 How far aparty you guys, because you're in Colorado. 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.239 Right, yeah, we're about an hour and a half. I'm 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:14.120 I'm north. I'm near leveland up near Fort Collins esters 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:15.880 Park area, and you're down a little south of Denver. 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:18.320 Well, when I did my book event in Denver the 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:19.960 other day, I sure didn't see you waiting in line. 0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:21.640 I didn't even know about it. 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.279 So this is marketing people's fault. 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.640 As an engineer, did you have extra interest in the 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:30.239 submarine story or not? 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.799 You know, I did. I wanted to hear the just 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:38.839 review kind of what went wrong there? Huh and yeah, 0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:42.360 from an engineering standpoint, I mean the engineers were involved. 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.200 If there were engineers involved, they should have known. No, 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.000 you shouldn't do that, you know, it doesn't mean a 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:48.840 factor safety. 0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:50.120 Well, he didn't want to He didn't want to hear 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:50.640 about any of that. 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:53.640 Hee did he fire the engineer. 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.160 I get where he's coming from. Man, he was like 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:59.319 an anti regulation guy, you know, which is one thing, 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:00.920 but the minute you're el on the trip, it's a 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:01.359 different thing. 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.239 Well, and it worked like forty other times. It was 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:04.239 like the forty first seven. 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:06.120 You know how many times that Alvin you know, you 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.400 know that Alvin submersible you know me trips the Alvin 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:15.879 submersibles done four. It's a good track record. Yeah, so 0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:19.520 talking about how, oh we've done it times, it's like 0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:25.560 four and it can go deeper. Check me out, man, 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:26.760 I'm like a sub expert. 0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.359 I think that I was really curious to see if 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:31.680 you actually had a number in mind. 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:35.880 The first thing, Like everybody else, like I was like 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.239 the joke that like everybody Montana is a grizzy bear. 0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:40.560 Experts like everybody in America is a submersible. 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:43.640 And then there were a Russian coup expert. 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.320 Yeah right, oh no, but I am an expert on that. Okay, 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:50.080 we're joined by two of them today. Great. You know 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:55.840 there's that great quote that, uh. 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:55.840 How war war? 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:57.480 I don't know. I wish I remember how it went. 0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:04.560 War is how Americans learned geography. Yeah, tell me about 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:08.359 the aeroflight deal you guys are working on, Bill. 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:10.080 Yeah, So I sponsored a study with University of Colorado. 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:12.440 I've worked with them for quite a few years. I've 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:17.240 been adjunct instructor mechanical Engineering, helping out with the senior 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:21.719 design class for mechanical engineering. And this year got to 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.440 prove to this past year got to proved to sponsor 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.439 a project and direct it where we had a team 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.360 of seniors and mechanical engineering and the project was on 0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:33.200 improved aero vein design for bow hunting, you know, for 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:36.880 arrows with broadheads on the front. So there's really a 0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:41.719 limited amount of scientific research on aeroflight when there's a 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.120 broadhead on the front, and the aerodynamics are are much 0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:46.440 different there than let's say a field point because. 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:47.319 It's cut in the air ahead of it. 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:49.120 Different right, Yeah, it's cutting the air ahead of it 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.680 different there's different pressure on the size of it when 0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:54.279 when there's some angle of attack and it tips a 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.680 little bit off off of straightforward. So and you know, 0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:01.840 I feel pretty strongly that a durable fixed blade head, 0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:06.160 sharp with good edge retention is such a better option 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:11.359 than a mechanical. But there's a couple couple problems people 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:14.840 might have, as one might be aeroflight long range with that, 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.000 you know, they're not as forgiving as a field point 0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:21.439 or a small mechanical. And my own testing I found out, 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:24.279 but you could be very effective shooting fixed blade has 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:27.160 long range with the right aerow set up and a 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.919 tune bow and a couple other things. But I wanted 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:34.120 to sponsor a kind of an independent industry test where 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.160 these guys weren't even you know, they're not even bow hunters. 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:39.000 They're just following the science and setting up experiments and 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.920 running them to really show that you can be very 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:46.360 effective in accuracy stability with fixed blade heads at distance 0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:50.520 with enough aero vein. And we studied like six of 0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.480 the veins top veins in the industry, along with some prototypes. 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:56.799 You know, I had some great results there we looked 0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:03.560 at drag, stability, accuracy, spin up, wind, drift and sound. 0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:06.799 And we had a computation of fluidynamic modeling, you know, 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:09.640 so a computer model modeling the flow over the broadhead 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:14.120 and the full arrow there and then and we could 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:14.960 study all these things. 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:15.120 There. 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.279 We could tip the arrow at say five degrees, let's 0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:18.960 say the bow is not tuned, or you torque a 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.520 little bit, and look at how much restoring forces there, 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:23.960 How well do these veins pull it back on quickly 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:27.320 back on track? And then we used a shooting machine 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:30.399 and a lot of equipment. So we had labradar looking 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:34.000 at speed and drop, so drag we could get from that. 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:36.200 We had a high speed camera looking at spin up 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:39.759 and looking at how quickly arrows got stabilized. We had 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.880 a sophisticated sound system where we recorded sound of the 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:46.200 arrow coming at it, crossing over it, and then analyze 0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:48.680 the frequency content like would it be allowed to a person, 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.960 would it be allowed to an animal? So, resulting from 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:56.240 all that, we found a particular vein that performed the best. 0:43:56.400 --> 0:44:00.000 And then I worked with Easton to get these machine 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.160 in flesh at three degree hehlicles. So now we sell 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:04.920 these as well, so we get so many customers asking, 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:06.799 you know, what's a good arrow for us to use 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:11.520 that for good accuracy, you know with your broadheads. So 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:15.160 I can say, you know, we have this scientific study 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.200 now that shows these do a great job of quickly 0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:20.560 stabilizing an arrow and giving you a good accuracy, you 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:21.640 know with fixed plate heads. 0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:22.879 That's a textured bank. 0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:24.359 Yeah, there's like waves in it. 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:26.200 See I hate kind of stuff like this because now 0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:29.839 I want to have this. It's like Calv's bringing up 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:31.480 like how he used to just love ice fishing, always 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:34.040 had a great time ice fishing, and then better electronics 0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:36.960 come out and some guy shows up with that and 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:42.920 you're like, we're fucked now, you know, like you're like, no, 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.040 it's not now we're not gonna do any good because 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:48.839 he's got something better. That's pretty cool though, m let's 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:49.160 see that. 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:52.360 So was this study, did it like compare it against 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.200 field points and mechanicals or what were the broadheads that 0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:55.919 were being used. 0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.719 We we used Ironwald broadheads in the study, but we 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:02.200 can pared him to field points. So what we looked 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:05.200 at was like for accuracy, we use a bow that's 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:09.400 out of tune, so you know, a bow intune means basically, 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:12.520 when it leaves, your bow is going in a straight line, 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.319 you know, at the target, the knox pushing directly in 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.359 line er comes off straight. That's really what a tune 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:20.919 bow means. Untuned bow, like we would take it out 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:23.320 of tune so that it would come out, say, tail 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.160 left right out of the boat. 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:25.319 Yu. 0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:26.880 When we were young, we just thought it was like 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:32.680 just the how it was that your arrow fishtails. Yeah, 0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:37.480 that your arrow fishtail for fifteen yards. It's just the reality. 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:41.600 It's like a comforting feeling to see it just kind 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:44.040 of fishtail out eventually straight out. 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:46.840 With like a long bow or something where you're not 0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:50.239 cut to center the bow is the arrow is going 0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:53.080 to have to you know, flex around the riser and 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:56.200 there's a special Yeah, it'd be like a perfect stiffness 0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:57.280 to get that to go straight. 0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:58.719 Is that the archer's paradox? 0:45:58.920 --> 0:45:59.279 It is? 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:03.080 Yeah, we named episode that one time, right, Yeah, I 0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:04.960 listened to that one. Yeah, you had a problem with 0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:05.360 that one. 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:11.640 I did you wonder why whenever I hear things that 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.640 defy the laws of physics, I got to speak up. 0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.840 Something deep in your brain goes off. 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.840 A lot of a lot of those like modern recurves 0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:24.839 and stuff are cut like when I was building them, 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:30.440 like an eighth past center or center cut. But then 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:36.399 there's you know, problems with strong risers. You know, lot 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:37.120 goes into it. 0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:40.440 Yeah, with with recurves and using fingers, there's just a 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.759 lot more happening there. You know, in a compound, you 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:47.160 can really adjust your rest and you know your bow 0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:50.160 set up so that you're knocks getting pushed your strengths 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:51.799 pushing your knock in a straight line and the arrows 0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:57.120 coming straight off the bow. Some people, some people teach 0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:58.919 different ways of tone, but I mean that's really the best, 0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:03.160 having your air coming perfect straight and you know that's 0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:06.480 how you can achieve the best flight. But really this study, 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.000 I know, nobody's perfect, and a lot of people aren't 0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:12.600 great at tuning their bow. So part of this study was, okay, 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.120 if yourro's not coming straight off your bow, it's actually 0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:18.200 coming out tail left. One of the tests we do 0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:20.880 is we'll just shoot a fletch shaft versus a bear shaft. 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:24.080 It's say thirty and forty yards because a bear shaft 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:26.040 and we'll add some tape maybe to get the weight 0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:29.160 the same, but a bear shaft will come out tail 0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:31.640 left and then it'll just stay that angle and it'll 0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:32.520 end up hitting right. 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:35.520 Oh, get out there, Yeah that's in yeah, of course, right, 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:36.359 nothing's pulling it back. 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.319 Yes, that's a great way to test is my bow 0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.560 really tuned or not. Take a bear shaft versus a 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:43.120 flet shaft just to feel points. I'd say thirty yards. 0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:47.080 Thirty yards is pretty good. Forty yards and you do 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:49.160 it a few times. If they're not hitting like the same, 0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:51.399 then it means you know your form or something else 0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:52.440 is wrong with your bow. 0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:54.719 But yeah, I don't know why it never occurred to me, 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.920 but yeah, yeah, no, fletching is never going to recover, 0:47:58.040 --> 0:47:59.360 right right. Yeah. 0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.040 So in this stuff we had it so that a 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:03.799 bear cheft was hitting a foot right of a flat 0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:06.040 shaft at forty So this is way out of tune 0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:07.960 really even with that one. 0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:11.920 In that case, is the knock on? Is the knock 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:14.359 lined up? Or is the center of the arrow lined up? Like? 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:18.640 What is on target? Mean? If you if you shot it, 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:22.200 no fletching and it kicks left and it just says 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:24.560 like that and goes in and then you're standing from 0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:28.680 your perspective, some part of your arrow is going to 0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:31.919 cross the bull's eye maybe like center when you're looking 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.640 at it. Is that not true? Or is that true? 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:37.399 Yeah, it's kind of. It's kind of difficult when it's 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:39.880 tip when it's tipped in an angle to like basically 0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:44.239 the the wind direction. At that point it ends up 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:48.279 with the veins. It will just quickly get get put 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:51.840 straight back on, you know, without it, it's it's probably 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:55.600 tipping back a little bit towards it. But yeah, what 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:57.200 part I mean, the whole arrow was kind of getting 0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:59.160 thrown at the bull's eye, but it's gonna end up 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:01.080 drifting right, just because the way the airflow is in the. 0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:03.440 Pressure, So the whole arrow drift right, not okay, I 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:05.839 got you. That'll continue on that drifting path. 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:08.319 So what you see is your fletch arrow might be 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.440 in the bull's eye, but your your bear chaft will be. 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:13.360 In this case, it was a foot right, and you 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:15.759 can see the back of the arrow is tipped tail. 0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.200 I guess that's my question. The knock is right too, 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:21.239 because it drifts because the arrow drifted. Yeah, I got you. 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:23.400 Yeah, yeah, you follow. 0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:25.440 That question, doctor Randall. No, I didn't teach you that 0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:26.240 that doctor. 0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:30.400 School archery is an area of profound ignorance in my world. 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.120 So what vein setups were all testing? Did you have 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:35.759 like four veins and did you have three inch? Did 0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:37.880 you test any like of the fobs that have become 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:39.560 sexy in the last few years. 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:44.400 We didn't test the fobs we had. Let's see, we 0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:50.520 had Blazers, Max Hunters, Max Stealth, Silent Nights feather into 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:54.319 the mix just for fun. I've tested, uh feathers in 0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:57.719 the past, and they are so loud. I don't think 0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.920 people realize that it's funny. One, yeah, man, it's funny when. 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:02.600 I've watched the movies. 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:07.640 Yeah, it's funny when people will say like, oh, that's 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:09.840 you know, that's a loudhead or something, and then you 0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:12.439 shooting feathers. I'm like, I can show you the data 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:15.200 that shows that those feathers are so much louder than 0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:15.880 anything else. 0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:16.719 Is that right? 0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:17.800 Yeah? 0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:18.279 How did you? 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:18.680 Uh? 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:23.040 What's the reason for the the textured? When I say textured, 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.960 the veins rippled it looks like a sting ray file 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:29.400 a for you just to draw very vivid in its 0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:30.200 what that looks like? 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:31.560 Would it be more drag? 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:33.319 Yeah? 0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:36.200 You know, we to be honest, I don't know why 0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:39.080 that made this a little better. We're just kind of 0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:41.920 within without, but we looked at all the results and 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:45.200 we we you know, we looked at drag dragon sound 0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:49.760 were reduced with these ridges and this particular vein material. 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:51.680 Are you guys selling just the veins? You gotta buy 0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:54.160 the whole Damn, we're selling the veins to like, bring 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:54.920 a little pile of them. 0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:57.359 I didn't. I could ship you some. 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:03.680 So it'd be it's less drag with the the little 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:05.160 ripples in those veins. 0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:10.799 Yeah. Yeah, and you know, like I'm not sure if 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:13.080 this is applicable, but you know a golf ball has 0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:15.960 little dimples in it, it'll change like the airflow over 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.239 it and the turbulence, and that's an improvement. 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:19.959 Sure. 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:22.120 Oh they play golf with no dimples. 0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:24.839 Well, I don't know if they did, but I know 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:27.280 dimples in the golf ball make it, you know, go further. 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:29.000 It changes the airflow across it. 0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:30.880 They did play with the smooth ball. I think it 0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:33.680 was an accident when they stumbled on that. The like 0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:35.240 dimples made a difference. 0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:38.359 So we need those dimples to make it go straight. Now, 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:40.719 if I can just keep the ball straight. I mean, 0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:41.960 I'll drive it four hundred every time. 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:50.160 Yeah. Uh, that's interesting though. So but when you got 0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:52.719 here's my question about the researchers, you had to fund it. 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:57.200 I did, yeah, but since i'm the directory, they pay 0:51:57.280 --> 0:52:00.640 me to to direct it. So it worked out pretty good. 0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:05.200 And then, uh, because you weren't previously made, you weren't 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:10.279 previously making a fletching, so you didn't have you weren't 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:11.320 in there with a bias. 0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:15.399 No, And I really just wanted to like be able 0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:17.400 to say to our customers, we get so many questions 0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:20.040 about what vein should I use and how will this 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:22.600 vein work? And so I wanted to study them all 0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:24.880 in this testing And now I have all the data 0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:27.200 and I can say, yeah, this one man works pretty good. 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:30.200 This one has a little more drag, but it's fine. 0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:33.400 So it was really that's that was the reason for 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:36.880 the study. And then I worked with AAE that that 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:40.280 made some of the veins that were in the study 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:42.920 and just got ribbon material from them so that we 0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.120 could laser cut different shapes in them. And they sent 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:48.680 me materials with different stiffnesses, different you know, with and 0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:51.200 without ribbing things like that. So we had a bunch 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:53.680 of things a prototype and test as well, and we 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:57.920 found this one that it did a great job with accuracy, stability, 0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:00.799 but then reduced drag and sound. And you know, I 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.400 can have my bow out of tune. I currently have 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:05.240 my bow out of tune. You know, it is hitting 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:07.600 four inches right, fourty five inches you right at forty 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:10.319 So just a little out of tune. Not terrible, But 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:12.680 I can hit the same point of impact with broadheads 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:15.400 and field points up to one hundred yards with a 0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:17.920 bow a little out of tune with this vein on it, 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:19.960 you know, it just does a great job stabilize it. 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:22.120 So when I was seeing that, I'm like, I just 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.839 decided we're just gonna, you know, offer this vein as 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:26.960 well as a fletched arrow to customers that want it. 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:29.640 How much do you shoot? How much you shoot field points? Man? 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:35.320 I shoot them. I shoot field points and broadheads typically, 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:37.920 you know together like every day do. 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:39.600 You just by mean, are you shooting them just to 0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:41.920 save on because you know, I got a feeling you 0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:44.279 got a good line on broadheads. Are you shooting them 0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:45.360 just to save on targets? 0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:49.960 It saves on targets. I don't shoot up targets as much. Yeah, 0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:53.120 and also I don't need to shoot well. If I'm 0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:58.759 shooting groups at distance, I still wreck I still wreck things. 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:00.920 If I shoot three broad head, it's you know, some 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:03.919 cut in veins. I'm hitting one broad hand to another 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:05.520 part of it is if I'm going to shoot a 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:07.960 group of eighty yards, I'll shoot one broadhad two field points. 0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:10.680 Yeah, I know why I shoot them. I was just 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:12.719 curious a fella in your position while you're shooting. But 0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:15.400 you still you stilln't like just destroy everything, you know, 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:16.000 and all the time. 0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:19.520 Yeah, right, I mean I want to. I like to 0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:21.600 shoot a lot just to keep in practice and be 0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:26.400 able to you know, I find just shooting daily or 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.800 maybe skip a day here and there, but just shooting 0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:32.200 a lot. I just keep my form consistent. But yeah, 0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:34.000 there's no need to shoot broadheads all the time. 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:36.400 Did the college already have an arrow shooter? 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:42.000 No, No, so I supplied like a it's a hooter. 0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:43.600 Shooter is the name of the machine, but it's a 0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:47.719 shooting machine. We got the labradar, and so we got 0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:50.000 some of the equipment they needed there for the test. 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:53.280 You know Kent State University that we get the Yeah, 0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:56.240 we were talking to them about doing some other fun projects. 0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:58.399 They don't have one hooter shooter. They have two hooter 0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:00.680 shooters that they use for their experiments. 0:55:01.760 --> 0:55:04.360 I always thinks that would be like a shot that 0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:08.920 you'd get at Hooters. If I heard that it could 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:13.879 be speaking of you know, he just sent me Met 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:20.240 and Aaron just sent me a pretty interesting academic article 0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:23.919 that has to do with like, you know, how how 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:28.960 Clovis points why they're so mesmerizing and why people are 0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:32.040 so fixated on them, and and like, you know, for 0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:34.759 a fellow such as yourself, not that you have one, 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:40.160 but tattoos, paintings, people, you can lay out a bunch 0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:43.600 of uh, you can lay out a bunch of stone 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:46.200 projectile points, and people are going to point to that one. 0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:50.640 And it's it's what is the art like what is 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:55.319 the artistic merit? Right? So, so they talked all these 0:55:56.040 --> 0:56:00.359 art and design people to be and then some people 0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:04.680 say it's so beautiful that it must have been part 0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:07.719 of its design. Must have been its beauty, Like there's 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:10.400 aspects of it that don't make sense from a functional standpoint, 0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:12.400 like why would you go through all the hassle? It 0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:14.600 must have been that they knew that it was beautiful, 0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:17.680 They knew that it was art. So his paper I 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:19.480 read the what do you call it up top? I 0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:25.759 read the abs distract? Yeah, basically, yeah, basically why are 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:30.759 Clovis points? So like, why do songwriters want to write 0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:35.760 songs about Clovis points and they're not writing songs about 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:38.360 I don't know all the other ones? Do you do 0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:43.080 you share that same sentiment? I've never written song about those, No, like. 0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:47.440 Aesthetically, aesthetically the please I wrote a song about doctor Randall, 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:50.720 Oh you did about Yanni. 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:53.320 My song about Dr Ranadal's about how he can't actually 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:54.959 prescribe drugs, So it doesn't really matter. 0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:59.600 Someone sent in another song based on your song to 0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:01.680 Roam and he shared it with me the other day. 0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:05.080 But do I share the idea that there's something about him? 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.839 Like esthetically, they're the most pleasing absolute there's something there, 0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:11.560 there's something there, there's something that appeals to the modern 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:14.360 there's something that appeals to the modern eye. 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:17.560 Yeah, Bill Man, I'm glad we get I'm glad you're 0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:19.840 letting us uh be a I don't know you called 0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:23.600 a dealer to use that word. Yeah, you're letting us 0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:25.400 carry some of your products on her site. 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:28.960 Man, yeah, you'll be the the one and only seriously, 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:32.200 really that's selling them besides us, you know online? Yeah? 0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:33.400 Yeah? 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:36.400 Are we going to sell the veins do you? Guys? 0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:39.560 You can? Oh, I don't think it's set up to 0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:41.040 do it initially. 0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:44.040 But hustle now because you're gonna be wanting those veins, 0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:44.760 right and if you want. 0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:47.480 To, I'm gonna get some of those veins for sure. 0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:51.800 Huh. Well, thanks for coming out, man, as always, tell 0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:53.280 me about the new Tell me again about the new 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:53.800 head you got. 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:56.560 Yeah, so it's a wide, single bevel. We came out 0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:57.920 with single bevel broadhead. 0:57:58.040 --> 0:57:59.560 Yeah, sell me real quick on so I know we've 0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:02.280 talked about this, but tell me again on when people 0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:05.600 argue about single or double is just mental masturbation or what? 0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:07.760 What do you think on it? Well, they are different, 0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:11.000 but you both perform really well. But when you when 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:13.360 you do because you're looking at things, You're looking at 0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:16.560 things empirically right, You're not just being like I got 0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:19.000 a nice I got a huge bowl with this, so 0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:22.720 it must be the best. I mean. Tell me, yeah, 0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:24.920 So from a from a sign, from a from an 0:58:25.280 --> 0:58:28.000 engineering perspective, what are you getting and not getting what 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:30.160 are you sacrificing and not sacrificing? 0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:34.040 And also tell people what the hell single bevel means. Yeah, 0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:37.440 so a single bevel verus double bevel. The edge itself 0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:41.000 on a single bevel. It's all ground from one side 0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:42.680 of the blade, so the other side of the blade 0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:46.000 is just flat and all the grind is on one side. 0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:51.160 Like some super fine, high quality sushi knives are single bevel. 0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:53.480 But if you open your knife drawer, all your shit's 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:54.080 double bevel. 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:56.760 Pretty much, everything's double bebble and there's a Yeah, they 0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:59.479 grind from both sides of the blade to come together 0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:00.480 and make a sharp point. 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:06.959 Oh you know what your ice augurs? Single bevel? Mm hmm, yeah, 0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:08.320 it's about it. 0:59:08.720 --> 0:59:12.160 Things that shave. I think there's like cheese shave, things 0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:13.920 that shave where they're just wanting to push. 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:15.960 Oh yeah, like your razor that you shave with in 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:17.720 the morning, right, singler double? 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:22.040 I think those are I think those are singles. Okay, yeah, 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:24.360 But like if you take a double bubble and put 0:59:24.360 --> 0:59:25.720 it down through a block of cheese, it's going to 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:27.640 go if you're gonna like cut in half, it'll go straight. 0:59:27.680 --> 0:59:29.280 But if you have a single bebbel knife and put 0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:30.760 it down through it like a block of cheese. It's 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:32.760 going to push off to the side because that pressure 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:34.080 will make it when I push on. 0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:35.400 When you get to the end of the block, you 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:38.400 got a big old kurvy cheese. Right. 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:41.640 So what happens when that goes through an animal is 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:45.520 all that pressure on one side and and you what 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:48.959 you do is you grind you know, say, the left 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:50.600 side on the top and the right side on the 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:53.080 bottom of the blade, so that when it goes through 0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:55.240 an animal and all the pressures on those bebbles, it 0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:58.400 creates a rotation of the broadhead true the animal. So 0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:01.480 and you think that that's true, that is true. It's 1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:05.160 not just in theory, No, that's that's true. I mean 1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:07.160 we've we've done it with high speed video. We've looked 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:10.720 at it going through different mediums, going through animals as well, 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:12.320 and we do see that it does rotate. 1:00:12.640 --> 1:00:16.120 There's some great YouTube videos where guys will shoot a 1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:19.440 single bevel versus a double bevel through like a shoulder 1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:23.120 blade of a critter. And when you see the maybe 1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:25.560 I'm understanding this wrong, but when you see this double 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:29.440 bevel go through it looks like the footprint of the broadhead, Like, 1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:31.360 it looks like you could just shove that thing through there, 1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:34.400 and you know exactly what happened there. With a single bevel, though, 1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:36.800 it's like a hole. It's like a drill went through there, 1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:40.440 and you don't quite see the outline of the broadhead 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:40.760 as much. 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:45.440 Right, Let's say you're passing that arrow through one hundred 1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:48.320 and fifty pounds white tail. Yeah, okay, you hit it 1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:50.320 behind the shoulder or wherever the hell you hit it 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:52.920 anywhere you want. How many rotations that is it actually 1:00:52.960 --> 1:00:55.520 going to get done? That's a good question. 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:59.320 Much. Really, it's like maybe one. It depends a little 1:00:59.320 --> 1:00:59.800 bit what it goes. 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:01.360 It's not like a drill, so it's. 1:01:01.240 --> 1:01:01.800 Not like a drill. 1:01:01.880 --> 1:01:04.960 But when you look at the shoulder blade, one looks 1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:07.640 like is like the size of a shot glass, right, 1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:08.960 and the other one, like I said, it is like 1:01:09.000 --> 1:01:12.919 the footprint of the broadhead. Is how they look? 1:01:14.360 --> 1:01:15.560 Well, we see this through the hide. 1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:18.560 Do you believe you're right? Do you agree with him? 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:20.960 It does change the shape of the hole and we 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:24.000 see this through hide. That with a single bevel or 1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:26.880 with a double bebbl you're pretty much getting a cross cut. 1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:29.320 Say you have bleeders, so you got a cross blade, 1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:32.120 you're pretty much just getting that that cross cut through 1:01:32.160 --> 1:01:35.600 the hide and through the tissue, organs, whatever with with 1:01:35.680 --> 1:01:38.480 a single bubbl with that rotation, and I like a 1:01:38.520 --> 1:01:40.560 single bebble with bleeders. And we also do that single 1:01:40.560 --> 1:01:42.720 belvel grind on the bleeders because I like a cross 1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:44.880 cut anyway to kind of open up holes. But if 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:47.280 you do that and it rotates, now the entrance and 1:01:47.400 --> 1:01:51.120 exit holes through the high they're almost square. They are 1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:54.080 more rounded, even though as you mentioned, there's not a 1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:56.000 ton of rotation. It's not like a drill, but it 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:59.560 seems like twisting the hide or tissue as it's cutting 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.480 does change the whole shape like that God, and you 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:05.120 can see it through through lungs, liver or whatever too. 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:06.800 It's got a little different shape to it. 1:02:07.720 --> 1:02:10.000 Correct correct me if I'm wrong. When you're shooting a 1:02:10.080 --> 1:02:14.200 single bevel, it's pretty important to match up. Like let's 1:02:14.200 --> 1:02:17.480 say you got a left wing feather. You want a 1:02:17.560 --> 1:02:21.960 left bevel on your on your single bevel broadheads so 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:24.480 it doesn't spin the opposite way you want to spin 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:24.880 the same. 1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:25.840 That is very important. 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:26.120 Yep. 1:02:26.160 --> 1:02:27.520 You want your arrow, well, you want it to be 1:02:27.640 --> 1:02:29.800 rotating to begin with, So you don't want straight fleshed. 1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:32.520 You want some I like two or three degrees offset 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:35.560 or vehicle on your veins to create some rotation of 1:02:35.600 --> 1:02:36.040 the arrow. 1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:36.600 You know. 1:02:36.720 --> 1:02:39.880 That kind of helps average out in any asymmetries in there, 1:02:39.920 --> 1:02:41.600 if you can get the thing to spin on the 1:02:41.640 --> 1:02:42.000 way there. 1:02:42.320 --> 1:02:44.880 When I'm throwing a big old spiral man on top 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:51.600 right and then on spencer goes out for the bomb, and then. 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:54.400 On impact, you want to just keep rotating the same 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:56.280 way it was going, I'd have to like stop and 1:02:56.520 --> 1:02:58.320 rotate the direction. That would lose energy. 1:02:58.480 --> 1:03:00.320 Yeah. Yeah, we do have a video on our YouTube, 1:03:00.360 --> 1:03:02.040 so you got to be cognizant of that and line 1:03:02.120 --> 1:03:05.480 that up. Wait or is it always or is it 1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:06.640 always that same twist? 1:03:07.480 --> 1:03:09.240 Yeah, you don't have to really line anything up. It's 1:03:09.280 --> 1:03:11.440 just the way you fletch. If you're like there as 1:03:11.480 --> 1:03:12.480 we sell our right fletch. 1:03:12.560 --> 1:03:13.880 So I'm saying, but do you ever see a guy 1:03:13.960 --> 1:03:15.920 that has his deal rigged up where he's got a 1:03:16.040 --> 1:03:18.040 right spin on the fletching and a left spin on 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:19.360 the bevel but doesn't realize it. 1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:23.640 Yeah, once in a while, and we have some We 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:26.440 have like a YouTube video just explaining how to figure 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:28.160 out if you've got a right or left fletch and 1:03:28.520 --> 1:03:30.960 a right left single bowbel, just so people can make 1:03:31.000 --> 1:03:32.000 sure they match the two. 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:35.640 Yeah, was there a period in time, like the nineteen 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:38.880 eighties when everything was double bevel? Did like single bevel 1:03:39.720 --> 1:03:41.520 become popular more recently? 1:03:43.320 --> 1:03:47.000 I think there has always been some very thin, you know, 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:50.360 cheaply made blades that were single bubbel because it's cheaper 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:52.840 to make them that win, And a lot of those 1:03:52.840 --> 1:03:55.160 are made on these like real to real metal stamping 1:03:55.240 --> 1:03:57.560 machines where a coil of there's a coil of steel 1:03:57.560 --> 1:03:59.560 on one end, a blaze are coming out the other, 1:04:00.240 --> 1:04:02.720 and they if they can just grind one side, it's 1:04:02.760 --> 1:04:05.080 a quick way to do it. So there are some. 1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:07.360 I think it's always been used kind of an industry 1:04:07.360 --> 1:04:09.800 in some products where it's a very thin blade and 1:04:09.840 --> 1:04:13.320 it's going to be really cheaply made. So I think 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:15.320 it's always shown up somewhat because of that. 1:04:16.560 --> 1:04:20.320 Here's a dumb question. Could you have a three blade 1:04:20.360 --> 1:04:22.040 broadhead that's single bevel? 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:24.840 You could? There are a few author really do that. 1:04:24.880 --> 1:04:28.360 Why why would you want to do that again. 1:04:28.360 --> 1:04:29.800 You could get a little rotation with it. 1:04:31.760 --> 1:04:33.400 That's it. 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:36.000 It's if you're doing a real real it's probably cheaper 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:39.160 to make the blade, So it might be I mean 1:04:39.160 --> 1:04:41.800 that's a driving That's a driving factor for a lot 1:04:41.840 --> 1:04:44.720 of broadheads out there is how cheap can I make 1:04:44.760 --> 1:04:48.080 this thing? You know, just to drive the margins higher? 1:04:48.280 --> 1:04:50.360 So a lot of decisions are based on that. 1:04:52.080 --> 1:04:58.280 Uh, speaking of blades, me and Randall are working on 1:04:58.280 --> 1:05:02.800 this project about the long hunters and then the beaver trappers. 1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:03.640 Hm. 1:05:04.080 --> 1:05:05.560 So it'll be like a book, but not a book. 1:05:05.600 --> 1:05:09.160 It'll be an audio imagine, like a matt like a lecture, 1:05:11.000 --> 1:05:15.120 like the world's greatest lecture, the world's greatest explaining everything 1:05:15.120 --> 1:05:18.480 about the long hunters, the deer hide hunters like Boone, 1:05:18.520 --> 1:05:23.880 you know, and in this work and I got to 1:05:23.920 --> 1:05:28.800 see in what they're what Boon's hatchet you'd hear like 1:05:28.840 --> 1:05:33.920 tomahawk and hatchet, tomahawk hatchet. The best guess at what 1:05:34.000 --> 1:05:38.800 his hatchet would have looked like. Yeah, And had that 1:05:38.920 --> 1:05:41.880 dude was a dude, people should check him out on Instagram. 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:45.000 Riley Kirkpatrick Kirkpatrick Ford. Can you look what is he 1:05:45.080 --> 1:05:50.200 on Instagram. Can someone look Kirkpatrick Ford Forge. I sent 1:05:50.320 --> 1:05:53.920 him the pictures he made me one of those, the hatchet. 1:05:54.120 --> 1:05:57.200 So it's just like a like just what Boon's hatchet 1:05:57.200 --> 1:05:58.160 probably would have looked like? 1:05:58.280 --> 1:05:59.600 Is it a single buffler or don't know. 1:06:00.400 --> 1:06:03.120 That's why I'm bringing it up, double bubble. 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:07.080 Is there a definition difference between a tomahawk and a hatchet? 1:06:07.080 --> 1:06:09.240 In my mind that tomahawk is thrown or is that 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:10.360 not not that simple? 1:06:11.080 --> 1:06:14.520 No, it's just a head shape difference my understanding. It's 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:16.720 got that straight shaft and a different kind of head. 1:06:16.720 --> 1:06:19.200 And they used to make it with what they call it, Randall, 1:06:20.080 --> 1:06:22.200 that whole tear drop. I don't know what they call it. 1:06:23.560 --> 1:06:27.479 I'm talking about like that, and you get a different Yeah, yeah, 1:06:27.680 --> 1:06:29.320 she get a different partner for this project. 1:06:29.400 --> 1:06:30.240 Huh. 1:06:30.360 --> 1:06:32.560 I can't tell you, Kirkpatrick Forge. 1:06:33.040 --> 1:06:37.480 It is that good research? So did you know put 1:06:37.480 --> 1:06:39.920 that in your little notepad there? Randall? What is the 1:06:39.960 --> 1:06:42.360 official difference? It's like, what's the diference between a prawn 1:06:42.400 --> 1:06:44.560 and a shrimp? Depends who you ask? 1:06:45.240 --> 1:06:47.720 What is the difference depending on. 1:06:48.040 --> 1:06:52.080 So there's like, yeah, I've never found a satisfactory answer. 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:57.120 People generally call huge shrimp prawns, and there's some regional variations. 1:06:57.440 --> 1:06:59.400 But there's also some stuff that I'm not sure about, 1:06:59.440 --> 1:07:02.360 how the plates on its body, on its abdomen, how 1:07:02.400 --> 1:07:04.400 the plates overlap. But I don't know if that's horseshit 1:07:04.520 --> 1:07:04.680 or not. 1:07:05.400 --> 1:07:07.760 Another area of profound ignorance. 1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:11.000 You know, in my mind. But my hatchet is bad ass, 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:13.200 and I'm gonna post a video. He makes these videos, 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:15.080 how he makes the stuff. It's pretty cool man. He 1:07:15.120 --> 1:07:16.240 makes like it's amazing. 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:21.560 So you know, Jordan Jonas, he won alone one of 1:07:21.560 --> 1:07:25.040 the alone seasons with them, he got a He shot 1:07:25.040 --> 1:07:28.240 a moose with a with his bow and then the 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:29.880 wolverine was trying to get the meat and he killed 1:07:29.880 --> 1:07:32.920 it with a with an axe. Anyways, that's a single 1:07:32.960 --> 1:07:36.800 bubble axe. It's a traditional Siberian axe. And I got 1:07:36.800 --> 1:07:38.280 to be friends with him. He sent me, sent me 1:07:38.280 --> 1:07:39.480 the ax, so I had it for a while. It's 1:07:39.480 --> 1:07:41.200 got a notch in there for every day, I think 1:07:41.760 --> 1:07:42.680 seventy days he was there. 1:07:42.680 --> 1:07:43.560 But he gave you the axe. 1:07:44.200 --> 1:07:45.840 He sent it to me because I actually did a 1:07:45.880 --> 1:07:47.880 CAD model and we were thinking about get some made 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:51.760 actually gotch But anyway, it's a single bubble. So they 1:07:51.840 --> 1:07:55.120 use that to like shave bark off of trees and 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:55.840 things like that. 1:07:55.920 --> 1:08:00.200 But where are they filming that that they can they 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:03.840 can buy animals without needing tags? Do they pulled all 1:08:03.880 --> 1:08:04.960 in Nunovac. 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:07.280 Canada like Vancouver Islanders. 1:08:07.520 --> 1:08:09.640 In different I think they get different places. 1:08:09.680 --> 1:08:12.120 I think they get hunting licenses and they can just shoot, Like. 1:08:12.120 --> 1:08:13.520 There's no way that dude that there's a guy that 1:08:13.640 --> 1:08:15.720 killed the muskox. He didn't draw a muskox tag. I 1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:17.560 can tell you that. And he wasn't hunting with a 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:21.720 guide or he was. But it's like, I'd love to 1:08:21.720 --> 1:08:23.799 know whether I think that some of that was Nunavak. 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:26.160 So they're like, actually they're able to buy the animals 1:08:26.200 --> 1:08:29.400 from the from the from the what do they call 1:08:30.439 --> 1:08:33.200 First Nations person? They're able to buy animals from the 1:08:33.240 --> 1:08:35.800 First Nations people because you're not You can't hunt big 1:08:35.840 --> 1:08:37.160 game in Canada without a guide. 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:38.920 Right. 1:08:40.040 --> 1:08:42.360 Puzzled by that, I had a casting lady called me 1:08:42.439 --> 1:08:44.320 up about that show, remember. 1:08:44.080 --> 1:08:46.880 That Chester, because Chester makes bows well quit. 1:08:47.479 --> 1:08:50.680 Yeah, I recently got a message about out being on 1:08:50.760 --> 1:08:54.160 a dating show for rural folks. 1:08:54.400 --> 1:08:56.240 So if we have anyone in the office here. You 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:57.800 can put them on that well, and they wanted you 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:02.120 to date. They wanted you to date. Yep, tell you're married. 1:09:02.600 --> 1:09:03.519 I did like Farmers. 1:09:04.360 --> 1:09:06.280 You know, I don't know it was around the time 1:09:06.479 --> 1:09:08.439 because you're the host of the trivia show. No, I don't. 1:09:08.439 --> 1:09:09.559 I don't think so. I think it was. 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:12.519 I would imagine a hundred folks on Instagram got this 1:09:12.680 --> 1:09:17.160 same canned message about being on this dating show for 1:09:17.320 --> 1:09:21.720 like hunters, anglers, farmers. Uh, just rural folks is how 1:09:21.720 --> 1:09:22.479 they described it. 1:09:23.560 --> 1:09:26.559 Man, I'm not getting awkward conversation with my wife. 1:09:28.920 --> 1:09:29.800 You do well on there. 1:09:30.400 --> 1:09:33.959 I'm not getting any casting queries. I can only. 1:09:33.760 --> 1:09:37.080 Hope I'd be like, you know, baby, we've had a 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:52.400 good thing going. But I had an opportunities. Really all right, Darren, 1:09:52.439 --> 1:09:54.760 I want to jop Okay, So that was like that 1:09:54.840 --> 1:09:56.800 was we had, Like I want to get back to the. 1:09:56.800 --> 1:09:59.400 Story after the nerd session is over. 1:10:02.040 --> 1:10:03.759 Every time I talk to Bill, I feel stupid. 1:10:04.240 --> 1:10:06.000 It's just like, you know, this guy's a genius. 1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:08.400 Yeah, but that's why it's people. There's like people around 1:10:08.640 --> 1:10:10.400 and it makes it you don't have to think about stuff. 1:10:10.800 --> 1:10:13.960 Yeah, it's perfect with me. Was like hey, he's like, hey, 1:10:13.960 --> 1:10:15.639 We're gonna make this arrow for you. I'm like, great, 1:10:16.920 --> 1:10:17.160 I have. 1:10:17.760 --> 1:10:20.679 It's like I got like a lot of opinions about 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:22.639 a lot of kinds of uh. I have a lot 1:10:22.680 --> 1:10:31.760 of well earned opinions about rifles, ammunition, knives, apparel. But 1:10:31.840 --> 1:10:35.120 for whatever reason, I've just taken for whatever reason, when 1:10:35.120 --> 1:10:39.640 it comes to archery, I have a you tell me attitude. 1:10:39.760 --> 1:10:43.080 I just know who I'm going to ask exactly I know, 1:10:44.880 --> 1:10:47.200 and I'm gonna go because there's a thing that I'm 1:10:47.200 --> 1:10:49.160 guilty of it. Other people are guilty of it. You 1:10:49.200 --> 1:10:52.840 have a great experience, right, Like you do something and 1:10:53.439 --> 1:10:55.920 you hit a ball and the bull takes two steps 1:10:55.920 --> 1:10:58.400 of tips over or whatever, or it's a really big bowl, 1:10:59.160 --> 1:11:01.600 and then the rest of your you're like, by god, 1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:05.080 you know, I like a right hand twist. Did you 1:11:05.080 --> 1:11:07.439 see how big my bull was? And you're kind of 1:11:07.439 --> 1:11:09.360 like yeah, but you could have run eight arrow Like 1:11:09.400 --> 1:11:11.439 I don't know, could you have run eight different aerow 1:11:11.479 --> 1:11:14.080 configurations through that bowl and the same thing would have 1:11:14.080 --> 1:11:17.800 happened or not? Like it's so there's so much anecdotal 1:11:18.760 --> 1:11:21.000 right or some guys like I'll never use that broadhead 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:22.880 again I lost a bull. 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:25.760 Well maybe you should have put on me. 1:11:26.160 --> 1:11:28.280 Like I don't know, do you know what I'm saying, Like, 1:11:28.360 --> 1:11:30.479 I don't know. And so you can get drowned by 1:11:30.520 --> 1:11:33.960 the unless you have just like experience after experience after 1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:38.920 experience after experience, you can get drowned in the anecdotal. 1:11:39.400 --> 1:11:41.080 Oh absolutely, So I just like to have people, I know, 1:11:41.120 --> 1:11:42.880 I always talk to Phelips. I like hearing what Bill 1:11:42.920 --> 1:11:43.400 has to say. 1:11:43.880 --> 1:11:44.920 Yeah, it was the same way. 1:11:45.160 --> 1:11:47.080 You know in football, everybody's got it, you know, there's 1:11:47.080 --> 1:11:50.040 always a different way to do something right, like especially 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:54.880 past rushing, because it is ultimately football is a violent 1:11:54.920 --> 1:11:56.719 game of chess, is what it. 1:11:56.680 --> 1:12:00.920 Is all the show. I saw the episode that man, Yeah. 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:02.760 It's it's just a violent game of chess. And it 1:12:02.840 --> 1:12:06.560 is like how you fail. It's that's why it's the 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:09.400 relation between bow hunting and football to me is so 1:12:10.280 --> 1:12:15.040 it's so strong because, Hm, you fail so much, like 1:12:15.120 --> 1:12:17.439 you fail way more than you succeed on the football field. 1:12:18.120 --> 1:12:20.360 And in those failures you have to find like the 1:12:20.360 --> 1:12:23.200 weakness that like that you created. So I'm always like 1:12:23.240 --> 1:12:25.880 doing something to set something up later. Right, So when 1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:28.479 it comes to pass rushing, I'm gonna I'll bull rush 1:12:28.479 --> 1:12:29.880 a guy, right, So I'll just come off and just 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:31.800 power him, just go put my head under his chin, 1:12:32.120 --> 1:12:34.599 put my hands in his chest and drive him back. Well, 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:36.240 what's that gonna do the next time? Next time he's 1:12:36.240 --> 1:12:37.760 gonna be like, he's gonna probably bullrush me again. So 1:12:37.760 --> 1:12:40.040 I'm gonna still a little heavier. Then I try to 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:42.960 get by him, swipe his hands, move, you know, do something, 1:12:43.439 --> 1:12:45.640 and then okay, that that that might have worked. So 1:12:45.640 --> 1:12:47.599 I kind of try to swipe his hands again, so 1:12:47.640 --> 1:12:50.120 he oversets. Then I spin off of that. So then 1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:52.280 you know, that's that's what it turns into. It turns 1:12:52.280 --> 1:12:54.439 into just like this dance. And for me it was 1:12:54.479 --> 1:12:56.240 the same way with you know, I grew up hunting 1:12:56.280 --> 1:13:01.320 white tail and in Turkey because Ohio northeast Ohio, so 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:04.519 that's what I was primarily primarily hunting. So western hunting 1:13:04.600 --> 1:13:06.240 was so like I always wanted to do spot in 1:13:06.280 --> 1:13:08.479 stocks because you can't spot in stock whitetail in Ohio 1:13:08.560 --> 1:13:11.760 because it's good luck. You know, you're just like you're 1:13:11.760 --> 1:13:12.880 not going it's not gonna work. 1:13:13.000 --> 1:13:13.760 You start out young. 1:13:14.080 --> 1:13:16.479 Yeah, I killed my first white tail when I was thirteen, 1:13:16.520 --> 1:13:18.240 fourteen years old, and. 1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:20.519 That was back when you had to know. That was 1:13:20.560 --> 1:13:22.320 back when you had to wait a while, right, It's 1:13:22.360 --> 1:13:24.040 not like now you just like start your kid hunting 1:13:24.040 --> 1:13:24.920 whenever you feel like it. 1:13:25.080 --> 1:13:27.920 Well, I think, well I started. I started like pheasant 1:13:28.000 --> 1:13:30.960 hunting when I was like nine or ten. So you 1:13:30.960 --> 1:13:32.519 were like, I think it's like nine or ten is 1:13:32.520 --> 1:13:33.519 like the cut off that. 1:13:34.040 --> 1:13:36.519 Yeah, a lot of that, A lot of that's changed 1:13:36.560 --> 1:13:38.720 so much. But I'm quite a bit older than you are, 1:13:39.200 --> 1:13:41.639 and you had to be like you couldn't you couldn't 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:43.080 hunt deer with a gun to you're fourteen? 1:13:43.479 --> 1:13:46.120 Oh wow, See I killed my first deer with the bow. 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:48.479 Yeah that was a and it was I took a 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:51.080 climber out and was on a buddy's farm, and yeah, 1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:54.320 I just like first buck that showed its fate, you know, 1:13:54.520 --> 1:13:57.280 showed its antler's This little four pointer just showed up 1:13:57.280 --> 1:13:59.280 and I just started losing my mind up there and yeah, 1:13:59.400 --> 1:14:00.240 put a good shot. 1:14:00.120 --> 1:14:01.559 On me, ran fourteen yards and died. 1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:03.639 But but you weren't hunting with your dad though. 1:14:03.600 --> 1:14:05.759 No, No, I don't know my dad. I was hunting 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:06.160 with friends. 1:14:06.600 --> 1:14:09.040 Like, could you mind laying that out quick for me. 1:14:09.160 --> 1:14:09.320 Yeah. 1:14:09.400 --> 1:14:12.720 Yeah, so so I grew up. My mom married a 1:14:12.760 --> 1:14:16.000 guy when I was three months old, got married. It 1:14:16.080 --> 1:14:16.840 wasn't my dad. 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:18.639 Have you tracked your dad down though? 1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:22.040 No, tried. I can't find she's going, No, she doesn't. 1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:23.040 My mom doesn't know who it is. 1:14:23.200 --> 1:14:24.880 But have you gone done like the twenty three. 1:14:24.760 --> 1:14:26.559 And yeah, we've done all that stuff and I'm upset 1:14:26.600 --> 1:14:28.200 now and they have now they have my DNA and 1:14:28.240 --> 1:14:28.760 I don't like that. 1:14:29.160 --> 1:14:30.759 But they're not finding matches. 1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:31.960 Ain't not finding any matches. 1:14:32.160 --> 1:14:35.160 Cluster they found out like where I'm from, like the 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:40.320 Scandinavian Fiking background and stuff, but it goes from Scandinavia 1:14:40.360 --> 1:14:42.480 to Ireland and straight to Appalasia. 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:45.880 Yeah, because I gathered sometimes they'll be it'll be that, 1:14:46.160 --> 1:14:50.519 oh in some neighborhood in Cleveland, right, there's a bunch 1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:52.639 of Yeah, that seems like. 1:14:52.600 --> 1:14:53.439 You couldn't find anything. 1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:56.080 Had a lot of leads that could you know, people 1:14:56.160 --> 1:14:58.080 like oh he kind of looks like you, or he's 1:14:58.120 --> 1:14:59.599 big or this that, and it's like. 1:15:01.479 --> 1:15:02.719 You know, not Chester. 1:15:02.840 --> 1:15:07.519 Yeah, it's just we could find it. 1:15:07.600 --> 1:15:10.200 So so that's why you know, when I got intro 1:15:10.360 --> 1:15:13.400 I got introduced to hunting by my stepdad. But his 1:15:13.479 --> 1:15:15.439 idea of hunting was like he'd hand me it a 1:15:15.479 --> 1:15:17.760 four to ten and sit me under a tree and 1:15:17.800 --> 1:15:19.800 tell me not to move, and I'd sit there and 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:21.320 freeze for four hours and then we'd leave. 1:15:21.439 --> 1:15:25.000 That's not bad advice. Yeah, he was better than giving 1:15:25.000 --> 1:15:27.160 you four to ten and telling you to move. Yeah, exactly, 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:27.559 it was good. 1:15:27.600 --> 1:15:29.519 I mean he'd say, yeah, sit here, don't move, and 1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:31.840 then he'd go off and wander off somewhere and then 1:15:32.120 --> 1:15:33.680 tell me he'll be back to get me, and I'd 1:15:33.680 --> 1:15:35.400 be sitting in just shivering, like it didn't matter if 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:37.360 a deer came, I couldn't move it anyways to shoot it. 1:15:37.400 --> 1:15:40.680 So that was my idea of hunting with him. So 1:15:40.720 --> 1:15:42.680 then I when I met a friend when I was 1:15:42.680 --> 1:15:45.919 in middle school who was really in a bow hunting and. 1:15:46.080 --> 1:15:48.439 His brother was a little bit a little bit taller. 1:15:48.439 --> 1:15:50.840 So when I was when I was like thirteen twelve 1:15:50.920 --> 1:15:53.559 thirteen fourteen, I was shooting like a probably like a 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:56.240 twenty eight inch draw or something like that, so I 1:15:57.080 --> 1:15:59.479 could just pick up a grown man's bow and start 1:15:59.479 --> 1:16:03.000 shooting it. So I started shooting this old psc that 1:16:03.040 --> 1:16:04.880 he had. It was like his old bow, and I 1:16:04.920 --> 1:16:07.120 was just like it was just like a natural thing 1:16:07.160 --> 1:16:09.280 for me. It just had no problem put in the 1:16:09.360 --> 1:16:10.280 arrow where I wanted it to go. 1:16:10.360 --> 1:16:11.080 It just made sense. 1:16:11.800 --> 1:16:14.360 So I really like picked it up then and I 1:16:14.400 --> 1:16:17.360 was obsessed with it. The problem was is that football 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:20.040 kind of got in the way of that because September 1:16:20.240 --> 1:16:24.479 and September, October, November is football season all the way 1:16:24.479 --> 1:16:27.519 into December, so you really you're getting like late season 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:30.320 hunts or all that that are available. So once I 1:16:30.360 --> 1:16:32.559 got into the to college, I didn't get to hunt 1:16:32.640 --> 1:16:34.160 much at all. I was like every now and then 1:16:34.200 --> 1:16:34.680 type of thing. 1:16:34.760 --> 1:16:34.920 Right. 1:16:34.960 --> 1:16:36.559 So it's like if I had a you only get 1:16:36.560 --> 1:16:38.400 two weeks off a year in college football, that's all 1:16:38.439 --> 1:16:40.680 you get. So if it was like, you know, we 1:16:40.680 --> 1:16:42.760 were playing in a BCS game in January or something, 1:16:42.800 --> 1:16:45.280 we'd get like a little four day weekend where we 1:16:45.320 --> 1:16:48.400 could I could dip off up to northeast Ohio and 1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:51.280 hit somebody's farm and I would just you know, shoot 1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:52.720 the first thing it came, so I guess it meat. 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:55.760 And that's kind of how it went. So, and I 1:16:55.840 --> 1:16:57.599 never had my I didn't have my own bow anymore. 1:16:57.600 --> 1:17:00.280 I couldn't afford one. So I like when I got draft, 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:01.800 I had seven dollars to my name, didn't have a 1:17:01.800 --> 1:17:06.000 bank account, huh, didn't have I didn't pay I paid 1:17:06.000 --> 1:17:08.000 everything in cash because I had a pel grant. I 1:17:08.040 --> 1:17:09.519 just cashed that check and pay on my rent and 1:17:09.560 --> 1:17:11.880 everything out of that. I was on scholarship, so they 1:17:11.880 --> 1:17:13.280 just paid for all the other stuff. 1:17:12.960 --> 1:17:13.200 You know. 1:17:13.400 --> 1:17:16.920 So I didn't have any any concept of like, you know, 1:17:17.160 --> 1:17:19.960 buying like a fifteen hundred dollars matthews. 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:20.960 Around any kind of money. 1:17:21.120 --> 1:17:22.120 No, No, there. 1:17:22.080 --> 1:17:24.720 Was everybody's pretty The averaging come in my hometown is 1:17:24.760 --> 1:17:27.559 like sixteen thousand a year, so it's it's a pretty 1:17:27.560 --> 1:17:30.600 poor area, but a lot of hunters. Everybody hunts, you know. 1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:32.680 It's like we get the first day, the first day 1:17:32.680 --> 1:17:36.800 of opening shotgun season, everybody's off from school. Nobody goes 1:17:36.800 --> 1:17:38.960 to school that day. It's they just call it off. 1:17:39.439 --> 1:17:41.240 So it's a big deal where I come from. But 1:17:41.800 --> 1:17:43.880 that's also another thing why I didn't really like gun hunting, 1:17:43.960 --> 1:17:47.880 because we'd go out and to public land and and 1:17:47.920 --> 1:17:49.839 gun hunting it was like you had to dodge bullets 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:53.040 the whole time because if a deer jumped up and ran. 1:17:53.120 --> 1:17:55.840 It was like five or six you know, different groups 1:17:55.840 --> 1:17:58.280 of people shooting at the same deer running across the 1:17:58.320 --> 1:18:00.479 ridge and you're standing on that ridge and you just 1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:03.040 hear the bullets whizzing by, and it's like, you know, 1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:05.200 those are big slugs, you know, So they're really only 1:18:05.200 --> 1:18:07.760 one hundred yards away from you, so they're not far. 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:09.679 They know that you're up there. What are you shooting 1:18:10.040 --> 1:18:11.599 up here for? So it was just dangerous. 1:18:11.640 --> 1:18:15.080 So I just enjoyed bow hunting better because you're sitting 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:17.080 in a tree stand, you're kind of you know, there's 1:18:17.080 --> 1:18:20.679 a strategy involved. So that's why like when I started 1:18:20.760 --> 1:18:22.400 l hunting, when I was finally able to l hunt, 1:18:22.439 --> 1:18:24.400 which was you know, I waited ten years in the 1:18:24.479 --> 1:18:27.080 NFL to living in Denver and seeing all my buddies 1:18:27.080 --> 1:18:28.680 getting to go and this and that, and I was like, man, 1:18:28.880 --> 1:18:31.080 I would love to go, but I had no idea 1:18:31.120 --> 1:18:32.800 about the point draw and all this and that. So 1:18:33.560 --> 1:18:35.599 my first time getting to go elk hunt and really 1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:38.559 like seeing how it's the same type of chess match. 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:39.559 It is. 1:18:40.160 --> 1:18:42.680 Everything can go right, but if that bull decides he 1:18:42.680 --> 1:18:45.240 doesn't want to just take another step out of now 1:18:45.320 --> 1:18:47.880 from behind that tree, it's kind of over for you. 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:50.519 Or if the wind switches on you, like all these 1:18:50.520 --> 1:18:53.160 factors go in go into it, and everything has to 1:18:53.200 --> 1:18:57.120 happen for a reason, like you're making these moves prior, Like, Okay, 1:18:57.400 --> 1:19:00.240 I've spotted this bowl over on this ridge, so how 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:02.599 do I get there? I have to make all these 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:06.000 different moves over hours of like four or five hours 1:19:06.200 --> 1:19:08.559 to get myself in position with the wind being right, 1:19:09.320 --> 1:19:11.360 so I can make a move on this bowl. And 1:19:11.760 --> 1:19:13.639 there's something about that that I just I love it, 1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:15.519 like I love the planning of it, and I love 1:19:15.560 --> 1:19:18.920 the even the failure. I always learned something in that failure. Right, 1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:20.320 It's just the same way on a football field, if 1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:22.160 it didn't work, I learned something from it. I'm not 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:23.559 going to go out there and try the same thing, 1:19:24.160 --> 1:19:26.120 you know, I'm gonna let's let's switch it up and 1:19:26.160 --> 1:19:29.120 try a different route. And that's something I loved. And 1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:31.160 then what I also loved is, you know, I said 1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:33.720 this on the Go Hunt podcast. I was talking about, 1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:36.400 you know, when I was finally able to release an 1:19:36.439 --> 1:19:40.040 arrow on a bull. I've won, I've sacked quarterbacks and 1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:43.960 Super bowls, I've sacked Tom Brady in AFC Championship Games. 1:19:45.439 --> 1:19:48.559 Eighty thousand people screaming, howling, you know, because my last 1:19:48.560 --> 1:19:49.599 thing is wolves, so they howled. 1:19:50.120 --> 1:19:53.040 So like that feeling is very surreal. 1:19:53.080 --> 1:19:55.320 Like when you sack somebody and jump up and howl 1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:57.439 and then the whole crowd does it with you. There's something 1:19:58.120 --> 1:20:00.840 that goes that. But I've never felt the kind of 1:20:00.840 --> 1:20:02.800 emotions I felt when I was finally able to put 1:20:02.800 --> 1:20:06.240 my first bull down. I mean I didn't, I just 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:06.919 is screaming. 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:11.280 I'm just like, just like you finally released it, you know. 1:20:11.960 --> 1:20:13.960 But but when I was finally able to put an 1:20:14.040 --> 1:20:16.320 arrow through through a bowl and put my hands on him, 1:20:18.040 --> 1:20:20.400 nothing is I'm telling When I was listening when I 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:23.439 was seven years old, I was I was six years old, 1:20:23.479 --> 1:20:25.200 I White were Bill and I were talking about this. 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:27.280 I watched Reggie White and the Green Bay Packers and 1:20:27.280 --> 1:20:29.760 Brett Favre win a Super Bowl go pack and I 1:20:29.800 --> 1:20:33.000 was a huge Packers fan, and I was like, I 1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:35.360 watched Reggie White grab that Lombardi Trophy and he put 1:20:35.360 --> 1:20:38.120 his Super Bowl Championship T shirt over his pads in 1:20:38.240 --> 1:20:40.519 Jersey and carried that thing around, and I was like 1:20:40.560 --> 1:20:43.000 I want to do that. That's like that was my vision, right, 1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:44.879 That's what I want to do. That's what like sparked 1:20:44.880 --> 1:20:47.200 it right away. And I started playing tackle football next year. 1:20:48.000 --> 1:20:51.280 So my dream was to do that. Well I got 1:20:51.280 --> 1:20:53.800 to do that, and I got to carry that Super 1:20:53.800 --> 1:20:56.160 Bowl trophy around and it was like I when you 1:20:56.240 --> 1:20:58.920 reached like a goal, it's like point zero zero one 1:20:58.960 --> 1:21:02.479 percent of people get to actually live out their childhood dream, right, 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:08.240 Like It's such a small, small occasion. But I always 1:21:08.280 --> 1:21:10.240 dreamed of bell hunting. It seems so far out of 1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:11.960 touch for me, Like it seemed like something I would 1:21:11.960 --> 1:21:14.240 never be able to attain growing up in Ohio. Like I, 1:21:14.479 --> 1:21:16.599 like I said, it was poor. You know, how am 1:21:16.600 --> 1:21:18.240 I going to get to Colorado? How am I gonna 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:18.960 get to Montana? 1:21:19.000 --> 1:21:19.479 Like that thing? 1:21:19.600 --> 1:21:21.920 These things seem so far out of touch. So when 1:21:21.920 --> 1:21:23.840 I was finally able to do that, it was a 1:21:23.880 --> 1:21:28.360 stronger emotion than I had ever felt in my life. Really, 1:21:28.680 --> 1:21:30.639 when I was finally able to connect with a bull 1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:34.000 and just like the whole the whole experience right here 1:21:34.000 --> 1:21:35.880 in a bull come in just screaming and just so 1:21:35.960 --> 1:21:38.880 you feel it rattling in your chest. It's an unexplainable 1:21:38.880 --> 1:21:41.000 feeling unless you've been around it, and you don't even 1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:42.200 have to hunt to do it. You just go out 1:21:42.200 --> 1:21:44.920 in the you know, take go middle of September, go 1:21:44.920 --> 1:21:46.920 down to New Mexico and see what that's like. It's 1:21:46.960 --> 1:21:49.880 like Jurassic Park out there, you know. So that was 1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:52.640 you know, my first my first bull was like the 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:53.599 best feeling I've. 1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:54.640 Ever had in my life, you know. 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:57.439 And I just feel bad saying, act I have a 1:21:57.560 --> 1:22:00.720 daughter and all this stuff, but like this, yeah, this 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:03.719 is a different accomplishment, right. I didn't really do anything 1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:05.839 on that. On the child birthday, I just was there. 1:22:05.920 --> 1:22:06.080 You know. 1:22:06.520 --> 1:22:08.720 I didn't have to do much, you know, but do. 1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:11.479 My When my first kid was born, I passed out, 1:22:12.320 --> 1:22:16.559 really because they got off that big ass spinal tap 1:22:16.720 --> 1:22:20.439 deal needle all for the epidural. Yeah, I passed out, man, 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:23.200 That was I later told the nurse. I said, man, 1:22:23.280 --> 1:22:25.280 I could eat your arm and it wouldn't bother me, 1:22:25.560 --> 1:22:27.400 But you're getting ready to drive that needle in my 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:28.080 wife's back. 1:22:29.280 --> 1:22:30.880 Have you ever passed out before? 1:22:31.080 --> 1:22:33.920 No, I don't run around pass No, I don't know. 1:22:34.800 --> 1:22:37.000 I kind of tried to spin it off and blame 1:22:37.080 --> 1:22:39.360 various things like I had sounds like your wife's fault, 1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:42.080 had nothing to eat, nothing like that, you know. But yeah, 1:22:42.120 --> 1:22:42.839 because they're. 1:22:42.640 --> 1:22:44.160 So bad for my wife when she was getting at there, 1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:45.960 because she was having contractions while they were putting that 1:22:46.000 --> 1:22:47.799 into her spine, and I was just like. 1:22:48.720 --> 1:22:50.760 I was, I was freaking out. I was so sketched out. 1:22:50.880 --> 1:22:53.400 Yeah, and there was like there's some little complication while 1:22:53.439 --> 1:22:55.439 they're trying to get everything hurried along, you know, yep, 1:22:55.960 --> 1:22:58.679 because well they they're monitoring the heart, you know whatever. 1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:01.120 I can't remember the details now, it was it got stressful, 1:23:01.160 --> 1:23:03.120 and it's so like we're gonna it can't be one way, 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:05.240 We're gonna do it the other way. And and I 1:23:05.280 --> 1:23:07.960 woke up out in the hallway and heading his nurse's 1:23:08.040 --> 1:23:20.280 lap verybody else doing. Did you miss the just envisioned 1:23:20.320 --> 1:23:22.640 Hi dragging him out, so my vision. 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:24.360 He wrapped up like a little baby, like. 1:23:27.160 --> 1:23:30.160 They brought me that little. 1:23:30.960 --> 1:23:32.480 Like this one's already circumcised. 1:23:33.960 --> 1:23:34.519 My gosh. 1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:41.960 Uh, when you got when you got blown up so 1:23:42.040 --> 1:23:46.120 bad about when you got so blown up so bad 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:49.599 about the lion, did it change any thing about your 1:23:49.640 --> 1:23:50.599 behavior or anything? 1:23:52.160 --> 1:23:53.320 Yeah? It did. It changed a lot. 1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:56.600 I felt like a sense of responsibility, right, And the 1:23:56.640 --> 1:23:59.880 responsibility side of it was that, Okay, now I can 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:03.160 see what kind of attack that we're really under as hunters. Yeah, 1:24:03.320 --> 1:24:05.400 is that what I saw? I could see it that 1:24:05.560 --> 1:24:08.960 it's a really planned out attack. And somebody, you know, 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:11.439 a guy named Lou Webb, who's just an awesome guy, 1:24:11.680 --> 1:24:14.360 you know, he gave mid this analogy for me. He 1:24:14.479 --> 1:24:17.360 was like, look, he's like, as hunters, we have to 1:24:17.400 --> 1:24:18.200 be like an el curd. 1:24:19.000 --> 1:24:21.000 What are the wolves try to do? The el curd? 1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:23.760 They try to split them apart and pick out the 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:26.200 week and kill the week. Right, They pick them out 1:24:26.400 --> 1:24:28.160 and they start and then that's how you kill them, 1:24:28.160 --> 1:24:30.559 as you you separate the herd, and then they follow 1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:33.280 one kill it and get another one kill it. So 1:24:33.520 --> 1:24:35.840 if we want to stay together and keep this lifestyle, 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:40.360 we have to put aside all of our egotistical. 1:24:39.720 --> 1:24:40.799 You know, garbage. 1:24:40.840 --> 1:24:43.719 Really And it's like, Okay, who cares if. 1:24:43.600 --> 1:24:45.640 You're a gun hunter or you're a rifle hunter, or 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:48.080 you're a crossbow hunter, or you're a long bow hunter, 1:24:48.200 --> 1:24:50.719 or you're a traditional bow hunter or you're a compound 1:24:50.760 --> 1:24:53.400 bow hunter. I don't care. I don't care what kind 1:24:53.400 --> 1:24:55.360 of broadhead you shoot. I don't care any of that stuff. 1:24:55.360 --> 1:24:57.280 That stuff does not matter, because at the end of 1:24:57.320 --> 1:24:59.479 the day, if we don't, if we keep infighting and 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:02.040 arguing with each other and trying to like take each 1:25:02.040 --> 1:25:05.240 other down, they're gonna win because they have millions upon 1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:06.720 hundreds of millions. 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:07.960 Of dollars back in them. 1:25:08.000 --> 1:25:11.520 You know, this industry doesn't have that kind of money. 1:25:11.200 --> 1:25:12.760 We have to spend that money just to keep the 1:25:12.760 --> 1:25:15.200 wildlife safe and ready to go for us. 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:15.599 To hunt them. 1:25:15.640 --> 1:25:17.840 You know, the amount of money that we spend on 1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:20.400 gear and stuff, like, they are spending all that money 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:23.840 just on ending it, ending it. They don't want us 1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:26.200 to do it, like something about it they hate. They 1:25:26.240 --> 1:25:28.840 don't care that you can't reason with them. And I 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:31.720 feel a sense of responsibility to try to bring us 1:25:31.720 --> 1:25:34.040 together as hunters and try to keep us in that 1:25:34.080 --> 1:25:35.960 tight little group and like stick together. 1:25:36.560 --> 1:25:37.080 You know, so I did. 1:25:37.160 --> 1:25:39.240 I felt a big sense of responsibility, But I also 1:25:41.320 --> 1:25:44.360 I also had this sense of like, you know, I 1:25:44.360 --> 1:25:47.400 don't want to get too vulgar, but fuck them. You know. 1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:50.519 It's like I did everything by the book. I'm not poaching. 1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:54.160 The amount of money that our money, all the money 1:25:54.160 --> 1:25:56.840 that we spend on hunting, goes straight into the keeping 1:25:56.840 --> 1:25:57.719 their trails going. 1:25:58.479 --> 1:26:00.200 They don't. How do they not realize this? 1:26:00.400 --> 1:26:03.120 Yeah, that you want to you want you want your lakes, 1:26:03.160 --> 1:26:05.679 and you want your trails, and you want your bike paths, 1:26:05.720 --> 1:26:07.040 and you want all this stuff taken care of. 1:26:07.080 --> 1:26:09.240 Who do you think pays for that? Hunters pay for that. 1:26:09.960 --> 1:26:14.200 So as a conservationist and hunters are conservationist, you know, 1:26:14.320 --> 1:26:16.280 if you do it by the book, that's what you're doing, right, 1:26:16.360 --> 1:26:18.400 you're out. I'm not out just looking for any lion 1:26:18.479 --> 1:26:20.320 to kill, right, I'm not out just looking for any 1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:23.360 elk to kill, or any bear, any deer. I'm looking 1:26:23.400 --> 1:26:26.559 for a big mature animal that is, and I'm going 1:26:26.640 --> 1:26:29.559 to eat that animal. And it's everything is used, I 1:26:29.640 --> 1:26:30.240 use everything. 1:26:30.400 --> 1:26:33.080 Yeah, And you're you're in your opera. In your case, 1:26:33.240 --> 1:26:38.960 as we highlighted, you're operating within a very a very 1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:44.640 finely tuned state and federal sanctioned yeah activity. 1:26:44.760 --> 1:26:46.960 Yeah. The North American model is the gold standard. 1:26:47.080 --> 1:26:50.120 Yeah. And it's and it's and it's like this is 1:26:51.120 --> 1:26:57.559 how this elaborate team of biologists and land managers have 1:26:58.280 --> 1:27:03.720 decided to maintain and utilize a resource. I point out, 1:27:04.520 --> 1:27:07.960 like the wolf analogy is good, there's another one. People say, 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:09.760 you know, we're all in this boat together, and I'll 1:27:09.760 --> 1:27:13.280 point out that now and then certain people will shoot 1:27:13.280 --> 1:27:14.920 we're in the boat together, and they'll shoot holes in 1:27:14.960 --> 1:27:19.040 the bottom of the boat, meaning people you know, you know, 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:22.400 I'm talking about people who go and and not only 1:27:22.479 --> 1:27:27.200 operate outside of any kind of legal framework, but operate 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:30.919 outside of any you know, they become unproductive, like they're 1:27:30.960 --> 1:27:34.920 not helpful, right, people who are you know, violating like 1:27:34.920 --> 1:27:39.559 like repeat violation of laws, willful violational laws give people 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:42.479 a black eye. But I think that like you're saying, man, 1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:49.240 for someone to be operating in accordance with the law 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:53.200 when we generally all agree on how these things are established, 1:27:54.080 --> 1:27:56.479 to then have that person be crucified, I think is 1:27:56.560 --> 1:28:01.040 also an attack on this very effective wild management system. 1:28:01.120 --> 1:28:03.800 Oh yeah, and they'll put false statements out there. You know, 1:28:03.920 --> 1:28:07.200 there's an organization. We won't say their name, but everybody 1:28:07.200 --> 1:28:09.240 can probably imagine who they were. Starts with a p 1:28:10.360 --> 1:28:14.960 they put out that I that I I I poached 1:28:15.200 --> 1:28:17.240 They've said that I poached it or did it illegally, 1:28:17.360 --> 1:28:21.080 or that these animals are are like mountain lions are 1:28:21.120 --> 1:28:25.280 hit the only big cat thriving in North America. Like 1:28:25.320 --> 1:28:29.160 they are thriving. Go to California. The deer population is 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:30.520 like decimated. 1:28:30.600 --> 1:28:34.040 Yeah, they're expanding, They're expanding numbers. They're colonizing new territory 1:28:34.040 --> 1:28:35.240 and expanding numbers. 1:28:34.920 --> 1:28:36.880 Because that's what they do, you know. And then they're like, well, 1:28:36.880 --> 1:28:39.800 why can't you just uh, you know, move it to 1:28:39.840 --> 1:28:42.360 another area? Well, where are we going to move it to? 1:28:42.400 --> 1:28:43.760 Because there's already lying in that area. 1:28:43.840 --> 1:28:45.240 You know what if you'd done that, you know what 1:28:45.280 --> 1:28:47.480 you've been doing, You've been breaking. 1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:51.400 Law, breaking law exactly. You know, you can't you just. 1:28:51.800 --> 1:28:53.759 There lying in the bag of your truck. I decided 1:28:53.760 --> 1:28:55.479 to take it upon myself and move it to a 1:28:55.479 --> 1:28:55.960 new area. 1:28:56.040 --> 1:29:01.160 I darted it, Yeah, darted like Ricky, Bobby. 1:29:01.360 --> 1:29:04.080 Were you surprised by any of your allies in the 1:29:04.120 --> 1:29:06.800 football community or otherwise when this went down? 1:29:07.960 --> 1:29:09.919 I was surprised by the lack of the allies. 1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:12.519 Oh really, yeah? But uh, you know, I dealt with 1:29:12.560 --> 1:29:15.960 this in multiple things, right, So I refuse to get vaccinated. 1:29:15.960 --> 1:29:19.240 And I uh a lot of trouble for that. 1:29:19.520 --> 1:29:22.040 I got fined a lot of money. But yeah, but 1:29:22.120 --> 1:29:25.000 I just the science. Well, they kept saying, believe in 1:29:25.000 --> 1:29:26.840 the science. I'm like, well, the science isn't there, so 1:29:26.880 --> 1:29:29.920 I'm not gonna believe anything that you tell me. I 1:29:29.920 --> 1:29:33.080 also wouldn't kneel during the anthem, so I lost a 1:29:33.080 --> 1:29:34.479 lot of friends over that. 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:38.480 But I'm well, you lost friends for not kneeling. 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:41.240 Yeah, they I was so the there was a the 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:44.240 wash I think it was a Washington Post front page 1:29:44.240 --> 1:29:46.240 put Derek Wolf tells they asked me, why aren't you 1:29:46.280 --> 1:29:48.559 gonna kneel? And I was like, well, because you know, 1:29:49.080 --> 1:29:51.639 I have a lot of friends and family and people 1:29:51.720 --> 1:29:53.599 that have served. And I remember, I remember, if even 1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:56.800 one person says that it offends them or like kind 1:29:56.800 --> 1:29:58.479 of makes them feel weird about it and they don't 1:29:58.520 --> 1:30:00.880 like it, I'm not gonna to do it. If even 1:30:00.920 --> 1:30:03.880 one veteran says that, I'm still I'm not gonna kneel. 1:30:05.439 --> 1:30:07.360 And when I didn't know there was a pressure, I 1:30:07.360 --> 1:30:08.680 didn't know there was a I knew there was a 1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:09.320 normous there's. 1:30:09.200 --> 1:30:12.960 Big press pressure. The pressure, yeah, big time pressure being 1:30:13.200 --> 1:30:16.000 very pressure. They pressured us heavy to just kind of 1:30:16.080 --> 1:30:17.160 jump on board and do it. 1:30:17.520 --> 1:30:18.840 You didn't get fine for that. 1:30:19.040 --> 1:30:20.519 No, I didn't get fine for that, but I did 1:30:20.520 --> 1:30:23.360 get labeled as a racist. So the Washington Post put 1:30:23.360 --> 1:30:25.080 on Derek Wolf tell us his black teammates to go 1:30:25.120 --> 1:30:28.840 back to Africa. When all I said was if you 1:30:28.840 --> 1:30:31.639 don't love, if you don't love this country. I had 1:30:31.680 --> 1:30:34.040 just traveled to Thailand, so I saw what these people 1:30:34.040 --> 1:30:36.479 lived like on the Bangkok River. I saw what you know, 1:30:36.560 --> 1:30:38.800 these little mountain towns in chang Mai, how they lived 1:30:39.080 --> 1:30:41.680 and they're happy as could be. But I realized how 1:30:41.680 --> 1:30:44.080 privileged we are to live in America, Like even the 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:46.679 poorest of the poor living better than how they're living 1:30:46.720 --> 1:30:48.080 over there, and. 1:30:48.040 --> 1:30:48.880 They're still happy. 1:30:49.200 --> 1:30:51.640 But to me, I said, if you don't love, if 1:30:51.680 --> 1:30:53.200 you don't love this country, we live in the best 1:30:53.200 --> 1:30:54.719 country in the world. If you don't love this country, 1:30:54.720 --> 1:30:55.559 then why do you live here? 1:30:55.760 --> 1:30:57.880 Yeah, that's all I said. It's just a simple question, 1:30:57.960 --> 1:30:58.280 like why. 1:30:58.200 --> 1:31:00.519 Do you stay like you're well, you're free to go 1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:02.800 and come and go as you please, you know. So 1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:05.800 that was they interpreted that as and they put it 1:31:05.800 --> 1:31:08.680 in quotes too, so I had to yeah. And when 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:10.160 I finally got them to take it down, the damage 1:31:10.160 --> 1:31:12.320 was already done. So now I got teammates of mine 1:31:12.320 --> 1:31:14.640 who had won a Super Bowl with looking at me 1:31:15.080 --> 1:31:18.200 like dude, I thought like, are you like, is he 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:20.080 a racist? They're like my family's calling me, asked me 1:31:20.080 --> 1:31:21.559 if you're a racist, if you're this, if you're. 1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:23.040 I'm like, dude, what are you kidding? 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:24.400 Me? Like really? 1:31:25.200 --> 1:31:27.360 So, yeah, I had dealt with stuff like that before. 1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:30.360 So and then when this, when the lion thing came out, 1:31:30.560 --> 1:31:33.320 I noticed it even more. You know that people were 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:35.840 like distancing themselves from me, and I was like whatever, man, Like, 1:31:36.680 --> 1:31:37.640 I'm gonna be who I am. 1:31:37.640 --> 1:31:38.559 I'm a stick to my belief. 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:41.479 It's not going to change for for anybody, especially when 1:31:41.520 --> 1:31:45.479 I'm not hurting anybody just because somebody's offended, you know, 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:48.240 by the lifestyle that I live, because I love this 1:31:48.320 --> 1:31:51.839 lifestyle and it's it brings me. You know, killing an animal, 1:31:52.000 --> 1:31:55.719 it's not the point. It's the journey. Like my favorite 1:31:55.760 --> 1:31:58.160 part of that hunt and and that story is the 1:31:58.240 --> 1:32:00.439 journey to get there. And you notice when I tell 1:32:00.439 --> 1:32:02.599 the story, it's a small, very small part of actually 1:32:02.640 --> 1:32:05.400 when I shot the animal. Most of the story is 1:32:05.920 --> 1:32:08.839 the grind to get there. It's the same with every animal, 1:32:09.280 --> 1:32:11.640 so they take they all, but all they want to 1:32:11.680 --> 1:32:13.479 see is that because because that's what happens is you 1:32:13.600 --> 1:32:15.960 post a picture, right, it's like, look, you know, check 1:32:16.000 --> 1:32:18.439 it out, you know. But the only reason I'm doing 1:32:18.479 --> 1:32:19.800 I'm not going to post a picture or something. I 1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:22.400 just walked up and was able to kill easy. I 1:32:22.439 --> 1:32:24.599 want to tell the story about how difficult it was 1:32:25.080 --> 1:32:26.920 and how much of a grind it was to get 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:29.960 to that point. So so to me, if you if 1:32:30.080 --> 1:32:31.519 if you don't want to be friends with me because 1:32:31.560 --> 1:32:32.920 of that, then I don't really want to be friends 1:32:32.920 --> 1:32:33.559 with you anyways. 1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:35.000 So that's fine, you. 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:37.400 Know, but even you know, people will still come up 1:32:37.439 --> 1:32:39.080 and be like, did you really have to kill that lion? 1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:41.800 It's like who cares? Who? 1:32:41.920 --> 1:32:44.720 What do you care? Why do you care? I did 1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:48.080 everything by the book. It wasn't like some somebody's pet. 1:32:49.240 --> 1:32:51.000 Like are you is that an actual question? 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:54.320 Yeah? Like I really like why do you care? 1:32:54.560 --> 1:32:54.760 You know? 1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:58.160 But you try to educate it, educate them on it, 1:32:58.840 --> 1:33:00.679 you know. I did an interview on Tuck Carlson where 1:33:00.680 --> 1:33:02.760 I just started hitting with numbers because I knew I 1:33:02.800 --> 1:33:03.880 was gonna have a short segment, so I was like, 1:33:03.880 --> 1:33:05.720 I'm gonna take the opportunity to hit them with some 1:33:05.760 --> 1:33:09.840 conservation numbers about how many attacks on people happens once 1:33:10.000 --> 1:33:12.960 one a year every two years, somebody gets killed by 1:33:12.960 --> 1:33:16.360 a lion, and then what they do to the cubs 1:33:16.360 --> 1:33:18.080 and what that does to the population of the lions. 1:33:18.080 --> 1:33:20.439 So it's actually good for the population of lions to 1:33:20.479 --> 1:33:22.080 take out these big mature toms. 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:23.759 If your goal is to have more lions. 1:33:23.920 --> 1:33:26.599 Right, if we were out there just wanting to kill lions, 1:33:26.600 --> 1:33:28.720 we've got there and just start shooting every line you. 1:33:28.680 --> 1:33:30.920 Saw, But you still you do you would like to 1:33:30.960 --> 1:33:31.200 have a. 1:33:31.120 --> 1:33:34.120 Healthy lion population because it's still cool to have those 1:33:34.160 --> 1:33:37.360 things around. But when it comes to like the wolves, 1:33:38.000 --> 1:33:40.759 that's what this actually segued me into this the whole 1:33:40.800 --> 1:33:43.439 wolf or you know, trying to keep the wolves out 1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:46.559 of different areas. Colorado's already kind of screwed on that one. 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:48.919 But the least we can do is make it available 1:33:48.960 --> 1:33:51.559 to hunt them, which is still you're never gonna dent 1:33:51.640 --> 1:33:55.040 that population because it's important. I mean, look at the coyotes, 1:33:55.560 --> 1:33:57.440 you know, coyotes destroying. 1:33:57.080 --> 1:34:01.200 You can definitely it's a good man. I think it's 1:34:01.200 --> 1:34:03.040 a good management tool to have like a sort of 1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:06.920 controlled growth of you know, I mean we've been doing 1:34:06.920 --> 1:34:10.200 it here, like we've been doing it well here Idaho, Wyoming. 1:34:10.479 --> 1:34:12.320 I mean we've been hunting out we've been hunting wolves 1:34:12.360 --> 1:34:17.559 now for years and still seeing expansions of population, healthy numbers. 1:34:17.600 --> 1:34:20.640 It's not like it's the way it's positioned as an 1:34:20.640 --> 1:34:25.320 either or as ridiculous. It's like either either can have 1:34:25.360 --> 1:34:28.479 wolves or you can have wolf hunting, which will result 1:34:28.560 --> 1:34:32.240 in no wolves. And that argument has been thoroughly I 1:34:32.240 --> 1:34:34.920 mean no one would know it, no one from Peter 1:34:35.000 --> 1:34:37.439 would realize it now, but that argument has been thoroughly 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:40.360 put the rest that you can you can very successfully, 1:34:41.600 --> 1:34:47.400 you can very successfully have healthy, stable wolf populations alongside 1:34:48.000 --> 1:34:52.080 state managed wolf hunting. Yeah, and it's been There is 1:34:52.240 --> 1:34:56.240 zero cases with mountain lion hunting. There is zero cases 1:34:56.360 --> 1:35:00.599 where modern like regulated hunting of mountain lions, talking about 1:35:00.680 --> 1:35:02.720 back in eighteen ninety when they were poisoning them with 1:35:02.760 --> 1:35:06.840 strict nine. Yeah, regulated hunting the mountain lions having any 1:35:06.840 --> 1:35:10.240 appreciable impact on mountain lion numbers. It's like it's just 1:35:10.320 --> 1:35:10.800 not a thing. 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:11.479 Yeah, it's not. 1:35:11.439 --> 1:35:14.080 You're gonna have roughly the same amount of lions, You're 1:35:14.080 --> 1:35:16.320 gonna have the same amount of lines, whether you know, 1:35:16.680 --> 1:35:18.840 if you're hunting them or not hunting, especially when you 1:35:18.880 --> 1:35:23.639 factor in that the line like you got would have statistically, however, 1:35:23.680 --> 1:35:25.719 it would have wound up being killed by a state agent. 1:35:25.880 --> 1:35:28.479 Yeah, because it was in California. It's too comfortable around people. 1:35:28.560 --> 1:35:30.920 California. As soon as they got rid of lion hunting. 1:35:31.240 --> 1:35:35.360 The number of lions they kill that state biologists kill 1:35:36.280 --> 1:35:38.360 goes through the roof. And now they're killing the same 1:35:38.439 --> 1:35:39.599 number of lions annually. 1:35:40.200 --> 1:35:42.760 Is they always work when they could be that they're 1:35:42.760 --> 1:35:44.840 missing out on opportunity for people to hunt them. 1:35:44.840 --> 1:35:46.200 People used to pay to go do it. Yeah, now 1:35:46.240 --> 1:35:47.160 you pay, you gotta go do it. 1:35:47.240 --> 1:35:47.519 Yeah. 1:35:47.680 --> 1:35:49.320 Do you think the lion you think when the lion 1:35:49.400 --> 1:35:51.439 gets killed, he's like, well, thank god it was a 1:35:51.479 --> 1:35:55.760 government agent exactly. It's like, of course not. 1:35:56.000 --> 1:35:58.640 It's silly. Honestly, it's silly, and it's you know what 1:35:58.680 --> 1:35:59.080 I think it is. 1:35:59.120 --> 1:35:59.759 I was just hoping. 1:36:00.040 --> 1:36:02.439 I was just hoping it wasn't some local. Yeah, I 1:36:02.479 --> 1:36:04.680 hope it wasn't some guy out here. Bet or not 1:36:04.720 --> 1:36:06.280 have been just some guy, some hunter. 1:36:06.360 --> 1:36:08.240 I'm glad he's got glad, he's got lights on it. 1:36:08.560 --> 1:36:10.439 I think this is all to do with it. It's 1:36:10.439 --> 1:36:12.160 because they're not thinking. They don't want to hear the 1:36:12.200 --> 1:36:14.720 science or the rationality behind it. They're just thinking emotionally, 1:36:15.600 --> 1:36:17.760 which I understand that they're emotional about it and they 1:36:17.840 --> 1:36:20.519 love cats or whatever, like, but you know, at the 1:36:20.600 --> 1:36:23.400 end of the day, man like, you have to manage 1:36:23.680 --> 1:36:25.720 if you're gonna live in within the nature. Like if 1:36:25.720 --> 1:36:27.599 you're gonna build houses up in the mountains and you're 1:36:27.600 --> 1:36:30.000 gonna live in the mountains, you have to manage that 1:36:30.000 --> 1:36:30.680 that population. 1:36:31.000 --> 1:36:33.240 It's Here's the other thing that frustrates me about this 1:36:33.280 --> 1:36:37.200 conversation is that at this point they're managed as a 1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:40.720 big game animal. The regulations are more strict. Yeah, h 1:36:41.960 --> 1:36:43.960 if you like, if anyone ever, if anyone who's like 1:36:44.040 --> 1:36:46.760 uneasy about mountain lion hunting from not in terms of 1:36:46.840 --> 1:36:48.679 that they feel bad for the mountain lion. If anyone's 1:36:48.760 --> 1:36:51.040 uneasy about mountain lion hunting in terms of that, it's 1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:54.680 like exercise in a reckless fashion. I would invite you 1:36:54.760 --> 1:36:57.439 to go and try. If you're not from a hunting background, 1:36:57.439 --> 1:37:00.760 I would invite you to go and try to understand 1:37:01.520 --> 1:37:06.880 mountain lion regulations. Yeah, in terms of how thinly sliced 1:37:07.120 --> 1:37:12.360 the map is and all the quota systems around males females, 1:37:12.800 --> 1:37:14.400 tiered season structures. 1:37:14.479 --> 1:37:16.720 You have to take a test, dude, before you get 1:37:16.760 --> 1:37:17.280 your license. 1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:19.840 It's like, you know, you get most places you get 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:23.040 yourself deer license. It's like the most you gotta figure 1:37:23.080 --> 1:37:25.200 out is that you know, you get like whatever amount 1:37:25.240 --> 1:37:27.840 of time, and it's either got antlers or don't you know? 1:37:28.360 --> 1:37:32.400 You get into these twenty four hour forty eight hour 1:37:32.520 --> 1:37:36.840 reporting hotlines so that you have like a portion of 1:37:36.880 --> 1:37:39.840 a mountain range carved off and you're gonna allow one 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:44.320 female and if that female gets killed, you have X 1:37:44.360 --> 1:37:47.479 hours to register it. The whole season shuts down within 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:50.640 forty eight hours. There's like nothing like that now, I 1:37:50.680 --> 1:37:54.240 mean some big horn sheep stuff. There's really that level 1:37:54.280 --> 1:37:57.920 of detailed management. I shouldn't say nothing because there's a 1:37:57.920 --> 1:38:00.720 handful of fur bears that fall in that, but anyways, 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:04.640 that's like that's a level of focus and precision that 1:38:04.800 --> 1:38:07.959 is not exercised elsewhere, now, not broadly exercised. 1:38:08.000 --> 1:38:12.160 Del I could explain Montana's hunting eggs to just about anybody, 1:38:12.240 --> 1:38:15.800 with the exception of mountain lions, I wouldn't know where 1:38:15.800 --> 1:38:16.439 to begin to start. 1:38:16.520 --> 1:38:19.600 Ye, Like, it's just inordinately complicated. 1:38:19.760 --> 1:38:23.800 Yeah, and it's they it's it's managed as like a 1:38:24.040 --> 1:38:29.600 long term renewable resource. Yeah, and very focused and like 1:38:30.360 --> 1:38:32.160 that has not like I won't be clear that has 1:38:32.280 --> 1:38:35.880 not always been the case, but that's the case now, right. 1:38:36.080 --> 1:38:36.280 You know. 1:38:36.400 --> 1:38:38.200 Well, it's funny because you always, you know, you talk about, 1:38:38.240 --> 1:38:39.519 you know, what they used to do back in the day. 1:38:39.520 --> 1:38:42.479 When you see those old timey pictures of guys, you know, 1:38:42.600 --> 1:38:44.360 I'd hunt camp and it's like five guys and they 1:38:44.400 --> 1:38:47.080 got like ten deer hanging in the background. Sure, you know, 1:38:47.080 --> 1:38:50.320 a bunch of ten deer, a bear, a lion, they 1:38:50.360 --> 1:38:52.599 got all these different animals. Because there was the rules 1:38:52.640 --> 1:38:55.120 weren't there. They could just go out and do whatever 1:38:55.120 --> 1:38:55.599 they wanted. 1:38:55.760 --> 1:38:58.280 I'm going to post a picture from a guy gave 1:38:58.320 --> 1:39:01.840 me a picture from nineteen fifty four or of a 1:39:03.200 --> 1:39:05.120 bunch of dudes in Utah. I don't know what the 1:39:05.160 --> 1:39:07.760 rags there was rags in nineteen fifty four, but with 1:39:07.880 --> 1:39:13.240 a flatbed loaded with mule deer like you would not 1:39:14.160 --> 1:39:17.160 like bucks, like you would not just giant. You can't 1:39:17.200 --> 1:39:20.880 even tell how many you're in there. But it's just 1:39:20.920 --> 1:39:22.840 like some of the bucks in that truck are like 1:39:22.920 --> 1:39:26.160 what yeah, you know what I mean, daffy, Like there's 1:39:26.240 --> 1:39:28.280 like spreads in there. There's like a buccaneer that's got 1:39:28.320 --> 1:39:30.679 to have i don't know, thirty six inches, but they're 1:39:30.720 --> 1:39:31.959 just piled in there. 1:39:32.200 --> 1:39:34.000 Yeah, piled. It's insane. 1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:36.400 It blows my mind. You know, even these like old 1:39:36.400 --> 1:39:38.839 time duck hunters and stuff too. You see these piles 1:39:38.840 --> 1:39:39.920 of like no limits. 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:42.960 You know, I've got an old photo from my grandpa 1:39:43.120 --> 1:39:45.920 that I need to get in like maybe the podcast room. 1:39:45.960 --> 1:39:48.439 Well it's pretty full for my office, but it's big 1:39:48.479 --> 1:39:51.960 blown up photo of like what you guys are talking about, 1:39:51.960 --> 1:39:55.080 a bunch of deer. There's a couple of frozen foxes, yeah, 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:56.840 hanging out the back. It's pretty cool. 1:39:56.840 --> 1:39:57.639 It's pretty wild. 1:39:58.040 --> 1:40:02.960 La La Huffman was it this great photographer that he, uh, 1:40:03.439 --> 1:40:06.120 photography is just becoming a thing that you could, you know, 1:40:06.200 --> 1:40:08.400 move around with a camera. And this dude named La 1:40:08.479 --> 1:40:10.960 Huffman made it out to Miles City, Montana and the 1:40:11.000 --> 1:40:14.200 winner at eighteen eighty one, so he got to do 1:40:14.360 --> 1:40:17.439 photos of the So the last big buffalo slaughter was 1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:19.800 the winner at eighty one eighty two. It was when 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:22.439 the railroad hit Miles City and kind of tapped into 1:40:22.439 --> 1:40:24.559 the core of the northern herd, and they killed a 1:40:24.560 --> 1:40:26.320 couple of million that winter. No, that was the last 1:40:26.520 --> 1:40:29.799 big shoot, and he got to go. He took photos 1:40:29.800 --> 1:40:32.360 of some of these hide hunters, and there's this one 1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:34.680 photo he has. They used to make these dugouts. They 1:40:34.720 --> 1:40:39.519 just dig into a cutbank, and the amount of like 1:40:41.080 --> 1:40:46.639 stuff that they got piled up around there, right down 1:40:46.720 --> 1:40:52.160 to frozen buffalo fetuses as decorations. And then some of 1:40:52.200 --> 1:40:54.280 those pictures he took too, of like the mule deer 1:40:54.360 --> 1:40:58.679 heads and even now the white tail heads where it'd 1:40:58.680 --> 1:41:00.560 be like just one dude standing air with like a 1:41:01.160 --> 1:41:06.720 dugout canoe and fifty bucks. I mean, you look at it. 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:08.400 You gotta be like that'd have been a pretty good 1:41:08.439 --> 1:41:10.400 time check that out. But on the other hair, like, 1:41:10.439 --> 1:41:14.680 oh my god, man, well they probably were, Yeah, these 1:41:14.680 --> 1:41:16.920 guys are shooting for the mining they're shooting for the 1:41:16.920 --> 1:41:21.320 mining camps. Yeah, shooting meat for the mining camps. And 1:41:21.320 --> 1:41:23.759 and like even just what what was their awareness about 1:41:24.280 --> 1:41:27.719 were they were they you know, Colonel Dodge of Dodge City. 1:41:28.439 --> 1:41:31.880 Colonel Dodge talked about what he thought was just this 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:35.880 extraordinary mealder that was lost in a fire, and you'd 1:41:35.920 --> 1:41:38.360 be like, I would love to see what that guy thought, 1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:41.360 what that guy in eighteen seventy thought was just an 1:41:41.439 --> 1:41:43.160 extraordinary mealder. 1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:46.360 It's probably just ridiculous. You'd love to know, right, Yeah. 1:41:46.320 --> 1:41:49.519 These pictures, these pictures, these guys like nah, you're like, dude, 1:41:50.080 --> 1:41:52.920 like said two hundred inch buck. Yeah, those bucks ain't around, yeah, 1:41:53.000 --> 1:41:56.640 you know, and you got like six of them. It 1:41:56.640 --> 1:41:58.160 would have been great. It'd have been great to see 1:41:58.200 --> 1:41:58.479 some of that. 1:41:58.600 --> 1:41:58.800 Yeah. 1:41:58.840 --> 1:42:00.320 You know, it's funny you talk. I heard you say 1:42:00.360 --> 1:42:01.000 something I forget. 1:42:01.080 --> 1:42:02.720 I forget what episode you were talking about it, but 1:42:02.840 --> 1:42:04.560 talking about like a time machine, like where would you 1:42:04.600 --> 1:42:04.880 want to go? 1:42:05.160 --> 1:42:05.479 Mm hm. 1:42:05.920 --> 1:42:08.439 And I think you talked about Daniel Boone coming through 1:42:08.439 --> 1:42:09.479 the Cumberland Gap. 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:12.200 Yeah, and uh that Like when you said that, that 1:42:12.320 --> 1:42:13.600 just stuck with me because I was like, man, I 1:42:13.640 --> 1:42:16.320 always thought that way too, Like I'd be walking, you know, 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:19.559 walking in Appalachia and coming through these mountains and you know, 1:42:19.880 --> 1:42:22.240 what was it like out here before all these people 1:42:22.280 --> 1:42:24.880 came in here, Like, what was the wildlife like? Because 1:42:24.880 --> 1:42:26.519 I know how the I mean, there's deer everywhere. 1:42:26.640 --> 1:42:29.240 Well, you'll have to listen to I was gonna say this, 1:42:29.320 --> 1:42:31.639 you know, a project just for you. 1:42:32.560 --> 1:42:34.600 Stay tuned, stay tuned perfect. 1:42:34.280 --> 1:42:36.280 Because we're gonna we're gonna tackle that question. 1:42:37.040 --> 1:42:38.320 I just think that would be incredible. 1:42:38.320 --> 1:42:39.920 No, we're gonna We're gonna get into a lot of 1:42:39.960 --> 1:42:44.240 that kind of stuff. What what were those guys? How 1:42:44.280 --> 1:42:47.200 did they hunt? What were they doing? What were they seeing? 1:42:47.840 --> 1:42:50.360 What was it like? Why was that area soul full 1:42:50.360 --> 1:42:50.719 of game? 1:42:51.000 --> 1:42:51.240 Yeah? 1:42:51.280 --> 1:42:54.600 Probably not what you'd expect. Yeah, you like, you know, 1:42:54.840 --> 1:42:57.720 it's it's a it's a crazy story. Uh, you can 1:42:57.800 --> 1:43:00.280 stick around for trivia, Yeah, building and play trivia. Did 1:43:00.320 --> 1:43:03.000 you play tribune to before I did? Did you lose? 1:43:03.800 --> 1:43:06.280 I did not win? Did she beat the Shelby Index? 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:09.000 We'll talk about it on the show. How about that? 1:43:09.040 --> 1:43:09.160 Oh? 1:43:09.200 --> 1:43:11.799 Hey, I got a thing for you. What's up a stat? 1:43:12.000 --> 1:43:14.679 A guy proposed a stat? Can I tell you that now? 1:43:14.760 --> 1:43:16.040 Yeah? 1:43:16.080 --> 1:43:17.720 He thinks that you ought to do when I was 1:43:17.760 --> 1:43:20.639 doing the Oh you know it keeps. Here's the thing 1:43:20.680 --> 1:43:23.000 funny is I already told Krin this story. I got 1:43:23.000 --> 1:43:25.519 two things for you. Someone came up to me and 1:43:25.560 --> 1:43:30.519 said they couldn't figure out why Krinn did so bad 1:43:30.560 --> 1:43:34.840 at trivia. And I told Krinn that they said that 1:43:34.880 --> 1:43:37.320 they looked her up and she looks very smart. 1:43:37.800 --> 1:43:44.240 Okay, uh huh, Just they. 1:43:44.160 --> 1:43:46.519 Couldn't make any sense out of it. Yeah, can't you 1:43:46.600 --> 1:43:50.519 make any sense? I don't know what they're expecting. They're 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:52.840 expecting to see someone that just looked like a poor 1:43:52.880 --> 1:43:57.559 performer at trivia. Here's the stat and it's a good one. 1:43:58.240 --> 1:44:03.000 Strong strong, strong closers and strong beginners like you know 1:44:03.040 --> 1:44:06.400 how people say you know that the right they start strong, 1:44:06.560 --> 1:44:09.599 they come back and finish strong. Is there anything to that? Well, 1:44:09.720 --> 1:44:12.840 we've seen with the overtime questions that Brody is by 1:44:13.000 --> 1:44:16.360 far our weakest performer. On the contrary, I think you're 1:44:16.400 --> 1:44:19.040 our strongest performer and overtime, Steve, does that make you 1:44:19.080 --> 1:44:20.920 feel good? Feel great? Yeah? 1:44:21.120 --> 1:44:23.599 So I don't know because the ten questions are kind 1:44:23.600 --> 1:44:25.680 of random about how they're organized, But I think you 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:28.320 can pick up a lot of a lot of intel 1:44:28.360 --> 1:44:30.080 about how folks handle overtime. 1:44:31.479 --> 1:44:31.639 Uh. 1:44:31.960 --> 1:44:34.200 One thing I wanted to add. We work with a guy, 1:44:34.240 --> 1:44:36.479 Garrett Long. He's gonna hook you up with a bunch 1:44:36.520 --> 1:44:37.360 of first light stuff. 1:44:37.640 --> 1:44:38.840 Okay, cool, sweet, So. 1:44:38.760 --> 1:44:42.200 He's gonna get you squared away on that, and then 1:44:42.280 --> 1:44:44.400 you're gonna stick around for trivia. Bill's gonna play trivia. 1:44:44.400 --> 1:44:46.680 You didn't win last time. Do you feel like you're 1:44:46.680 --> 1:44:47.280 gonna win? No? 1:44:48.040 --> 1:44:50.559 Really, no, not a chance. 1:44:50.640 --> 1:44:54.040 Here's a quick question. You know how you throw a 1:44:54.080 --> 1:44:56.080 bone to guests? Is there gonna be like a double 1:44:56.120 --> 1:44:57.880 bone throw? We have one for each of them. 1:44:58.600 --> 1:44:59.880 What kind of categories are there? 1:45:00.320 --> 1:45:03.200 We will talk about. 1:45:04.040 --> 1:45:05.280 Play the drop phil. 1:45:10.960 --> 1:45:24.559 A Ride on a seal gray, shine like silver in 1:45:24.720 --> 1:45:36.679 the sun. Ride, Ride on along, sweet hot. 1:45:37.560 --> 1:45:40.840 We done beat this damp horse to death. 1:45:42.080 --> 1:45:43.040 Taking a new one. 1:45:44.000 --> 1:45:53.280 Ride We're done beat this damn horse today, So take 1:45:53.360 --> 1:45:55.560 a new one and ride on