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Speaker 1: go farther, stay longer. You listeners are coming in late

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Speaker 1: to a conversation. But I was just fixing to tell

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Speaker 1: Chester here on the subject of finding arrowheads my kids

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Speaker 1: had Did I tell you about this? They were a

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Speaker 1: mess with the metal detector.

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Speaker 3: No, you didn't.

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Speaker 1: And they struck some metal with that metal detector, and

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Speaker 1: on the way digging down to the metal found a

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Speaker 1: piece of bit, big worked piece of black obsidian, and

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Speaker 1: want to be in an old hunk of barber wire fence.

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Speaker 1: Was this in your yard? What's that? Where did this

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, open the mountains out. Yeah, I want to

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Speaker 1: be an old But here's here's the weird deal. That

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Speaker 2: That's pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: It got worked. I don't know. Yeah, beautiful piece of

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Speaker 1: worked black obsidian. Like how big about like the size

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Speaker 3: That little pocket. If I think it's the same place.

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Speaker 1: It's not the same.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well where we were it's loaded with flakes chips obviously,

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Speaker 3: arrowheads stay out.

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Speaker 1: Of there, we will real quick. Who are you guys

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Speaker 1: rooting for? On the when? Who guys rooting for? Between

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 5: Oh this is I've been talking about this a lot.

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Speaker 5: I do a sports radio show and we talk about this.

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Speaker 1: On not not who's gonna well, I want to know

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Speaker 5: See, I'm rooting for Elon, but I think Zuck has

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Speaker 5: just like a sociopath psychopath kind of So you know,

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Speaker 5: he's one jiu jitsu tournaments already.

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Speaker 1: So well, I don't know how how much does either

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Speaker 5: Way, Uh, well, Elon's definitely heavier than Zuck, so he's

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Speaker 5: gonna have to cut if it's really gonna happen, I think.

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Speaker 5: But you know, if you saw Elon's tweet, he said

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Speaker 5: that his his main move is the walrus. He just

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Speaker 1: Don't use I don't like I don't even know why

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Speaker 1: I'm rock but I don't know why because there's nothing

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Speaker 1: I have zero interest in Mars. I will never buy

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Speaker 1: PayPal in the last ten years going on Starlink that

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Speaker 1: I would get in. Yes, Starlink, I like him.

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Speaker 2: Starlink is my favorite.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm rooting for him so bad.

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Speaker 2: I just I just something about Facebook is just evil

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know Instagram, which I think you use daily.

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Speaker 1: doesn't even matter that much to me, you know it is,

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Speaker 1: I use one of his products. But you know what

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Speaker 2: That's so random.

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Speaker 1: I'm not spent on my mind. Man, we're not about

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Speaker 6: I've been I've been reading equal amounts about both.

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Speaker 6: He's a hot ruck, he's a hot tug vendor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it works that way. Well way you go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: former Denver Broncos defensive end Derek Wolf, who sacked I mean,

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Speaker 5: Say it's not how it doesn't You don't even care.

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Speaker 1: They made a rule that you're not supposed to land

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Speaker 5: I'm already paying fifty percent. You know, I'm already paying

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Speaker 5: No, no, like you Oh how many fines is he paid?

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Speaker 5: But it's simply just get up and walk out and fart,

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Speaker 5: Now where guys are You're like, how is that a

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Speaker 2: That's a fifteen yard flag.

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Speaker 7: Today, not even not even related to that. Just he

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Speaker 5: Poaching, no, everything was by the book. Man, I did

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Speaker 5: So this is actually my second time having PETA and

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Speaker 2: Oh they got him riled up, and that got them

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Speaker 5: we've been trying to get a hold of you for

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00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:52,400
Speaker 5: two hours.

442
00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,000
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, is that you guys on the porch?

443
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,240
Speaker 2: I said yeah. He's like, oh, I thought it was

444
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:56,720
Speaker 2: that lion.

445
00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,439
Speaker 5: So he thought the lion because he said he's like,

446
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,240
Speaker 5: there's this big line that keeps coming up onto my

447
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,760
Speaker 5: porch and looking in my windows and so so the track,

448
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,679
Speaker 5: I mean, the tracks went right by his steps, you know,

449
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,080
Speaker 5: and he's like, did you see how big those tracks are.

450
00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,639
Speaker 5: We're like, he's like, he's huge. And he's like we're like,

451
00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,320
Speaker 5: you care if we go after him? He's like, please

452
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 5: go get him, Please get him out of here. So we so,

453
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 5: you know, we jump out, I grab my pack, grab

454
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,560
Speaker 5: my bow, we let the dogs out, and we just

455
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,199
Speaker 5: go straight up and we and on the way up,

456
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm starting to slip and slide already, and

457
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 5: I'm like, this ain't good. This is going to turn

458
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,959
Speaker 5: in and I already know what it. Hopefully he's treated at

459
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,920
Speaker 5: the top of this this mountain already, Like hopefully he

460
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,159
Speaker 5: was just up there and he's treed already. Well, we

461
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 5: get up there, and he wasn't. He goes all the

462
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 5: way back down the other the backside. So we started

463
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 5: like nine thousand feet or like eighty nine hundred feet

464
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 5: and go all the way up to like eleven two.

465
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Speaker 2: Or something like that.

466
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 5: Oh really, and then drop back down on the other side,

467
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 5: down into a drainage. And then he runs up this drainage.

468
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,640
Speaker 5: So at this point, I'm you know, I'm almost three

469
00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,439
Speaker 5: hundred pounds out there, and I'm in good shape, but

470
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 5: getting through snow and stuff like that, it just takes

471
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 5: twice as much energy to get anywhere. So I'm like

472
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 5: falling behind already, you know, on the way up, let

473
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 5: alone the way down, which was just like might as

474
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 5: well just sled down.

475
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,880
Speaker 1: I was just going through snow and my skinny ass

476
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 1: little body, you'd be loving it.

477
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd be awesome.

478
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean switch gears.

479
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 3: I was.

480
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: Cutting through that snow like you wouldn't believe.

481
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 7: Man.

482
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,359
Speaker 5: By the time I got to the other side of

483
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 5: that mountain and was like I gotta I was. I

484
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 5: just was falling the tracks, following Alex and the dogs.

485
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 5: I was just following their tracks. So by the time

486
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 5: I get to to like halfway down that hill, I

487
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 5: had to stop because I was like sweating already. I

488
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 5: was like starting to like I don't know, I'm starting

489
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 5: because I was like, this.

490
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,880
Speaker 2: Is gonna be a long day. I already know it.

491
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 5: So I get down and I crawled up through all

492
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 5: this dead fall and and uh and the snow at

493
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 5: that down in that drain and you know, all rolls

494
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 5: down there. It was up to my chest pretty much.

495
00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 5: So I just started crawling. I just crawled through, and

496
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 5: he was like.

497
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 1: And the Lion's cutting across the top of.

498
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 5: It, yeah, so more or less floating on it. Yeah,

499
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 5: he's just floating on and the dogs are floating on it.

500
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 5: And then Alex is you know, he's not. He's like

501
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 5: one hundred and sixty five hundred and sventy five pounds,

502
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 5: so he's just kind of floating on it too. But me,

503
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 5: every time I take a step, it's just like straight down.

504
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 5: So I just started crawling. So I crawled and he keeps.

505
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 5: He calls me. He goes, where are you at? And

506
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 5: I said, dude, I'm I don't even know where. I

507
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 5: can't hear the hounds anymore. I'm way behind you. And

508
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 5: he was like, all right, We'll just keep following my tracks.

509
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 5: He's like, I think they got him. I think they

510
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 5: got him treated now about you know, two miles up here.

511
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 5: And I was like, all right, cool, So I keep

512
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 5: going and then he.

513
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: Calls me again.

514
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 5: He goes, hey, there's a spot where you're gonna see

515
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 5: where I turned and went to go up the hill

516
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 5: and came back down. Just keep going up the hill

517
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 5: when you get there. And I'm like, okay. He calls

518
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,479
Speaker 5: it a hill. No, it's a it's a straight mountain.

519
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 5: And so I just go straight up that mountain, crawl

520
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 5: up there. I get to the top and start walking

521
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 5: the ridge, following his tracks, and he calls me again.

522
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 5: He's like, you gotta you know, he starts freaking out.

523
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've ever been onto these hound hunts. Oh,

524
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 5: it's chaos. He's he's and in the background I can

525
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 5: hear the hounds. He's like, we're gonna lose this line.

526
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 5: Where are you at? He's huge, and I was like, dude,

527
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 5: I'm coming, like, I'm doing everything I can. I'm going

528
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 5: as fast as I can. At this point, I'm cramping.

529
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 5: So I'm now my hamstrings, my quads and my forearms

530
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 5: and my like rib cage is like starting to cramp

531
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 5: up and I can't.

532
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: Like your rib cage is cramped.

533
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, like all those like in here, like all those

534
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 5: abdomen muscles are starting to lock up on me. And

535
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, this ain't good. He goes, all right,

536
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 5: I'm gonna drop you a pin. Come straight to the pin.

537
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 5: I'm like all right, So he drops this pin and

538
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 5: I just like hauled down. I just like roll down

539
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 5: the mountain pretty much, just sliding and ripping my pants

540
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 5: up and falling all over the place. And because I

541
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 5: can't stand up and walk, because if I stand up

542
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 5: a walk, I just cramp. I'm just like Charlie Horse

543
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 5: Charlie Horse, Charlie Horse. And then like I'm like, oh, like,

544
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 5: my whole body starts locking up. So I just like,

545
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna crawl. So I crawled down backwards down

546
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 5: that thing and rolled down it and slid down it

547
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 5: as much as I could get to the pen.

548
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: It's on the road. I'm like, oh nah, and he

549
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: I called him.

550
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 5: I was like, dude, you drop me a pin on

551
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 5: the road. Are you seriously goes Oh, you're you know,

552
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 5: we're screwed now. You're never getting up here.

553
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 8: Oh.

554
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 5: And I was like, wait, He's like, you gotta come

555
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 5: all the way back up. He's like, I told you

556
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 5: to walk the ridge and drop down on the pin.

557
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 5: I said, no, you didn't. You said come straight to

558
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 5: the pin. I said, all right, I'm not arguing.

559
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: I'm coming.

560
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 5: And this is only like nine hundred yards that I

561
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 5: had to go to get to him get or nine

562
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 5: hundred feet to get to.

563
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: Where he was.

564
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: It's been like hours at this point.

565
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh.

566
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's yeah, we're four or five hours into this,

567
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 5: like like it just took so long to get anywhere.

568
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 5: And I look up and I still it's in this cut.

569
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 5: So it's a big cut like this, and it's just

570
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 5: deadfall everywhere and little cliffs and stuff, and I'm like,

571
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 5: all right, here you go. So I just crawled my

572
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 5: way up there. It took me about an hour and

573
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 5: a half to get to get up there. And I

574
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 5: get up there and I hear, you know right, he's

575
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 5: got the hounds and he's like, you're almost every buddy,

576
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 5: keep coming. Then I turn and look and I look

577
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 5: up and there's a lion sitting right above me in

578
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 5: a tree doing that.

579
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh man, he's huge.

580
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 5: I was like, I can't believe how biggie is. And

581
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 5: I was like, I just shoot him here, and he's like, no,

582
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 5: he's gotta fall on you. I was like, I can't move, man,

583
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 5: I'm done. And there's a video of me if you

584
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 5: look on my Instagram or even on my YouTube channel.

585
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 5: He took a veh had his phone out taking a

586
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 5: video of me standing up in that moment, and you

587
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 5: can see on my face I'm.

588
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: Just pale white.

589
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 5: I'm just look like defeated, right, And I'm like I

590
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 5: just wouldn't give up, though, So I just kept going

591
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 5: and I had to go like ten more yards to

592
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 5: get to him, and I just got up and made

593
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 5: my way up to him, and he was facing me.

594
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 5: The lion was facing straight at me in that tree,

595
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 5: so I had to do a frontel on him. And

596
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 5: I was like, all right, it's time to send one.

597
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 5: And he was like, put it right above this little

598
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 5: white spot and I was like, all right, I put

599
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 5: it right on that white spot. And he fell out

600
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 5: of the tree and I just boom, fell to the

601
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 5: ground and I was just like I'm done. I was like,

602
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 5: I hope he doesn't come up here because I can't

603
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 5: fight back right now. And he's like, all right, give

604
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 5: him a minute. And we didn't hear any movement, so

605
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 5: he's like, all right, I'm go down there and check it.

606
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 5: So he goes down there, he's like, we got a

607
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 5: dead lion, you know. He go starts freaking out and

608
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 5: he's like, let the hounds come down. So I had

609
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 5: to like unhook those and that took me forever because

610
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 5: every movement was like and then I start thinking, how

611
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 5: am I going to get him out of here? How

612
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 5: manna get this line out of here? So I let

613
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 5: the dogs go and go down there, and he's like, where,

614
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 5: hurry up, get down here, and I'm just like trying

615
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 5: to take my time, you know. So I crawl backwards

616
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 5: down there. When I say backwards, I'm on my hands

617
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 5: and knees, crawling backwards down the hill, slipping, sliding down,

618
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 5: you know, and grabbing trees to hold me. And finally

619
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 5: we get to it, and I couldn't believe how big

620
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 5: he was. Could not believe. I was like, this thing

621
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 5: could drag me by my neck up a tree if

622
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 5: it wanted to. And he goes, we gotta get a

623
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 5: picture of this thing. He's like, he's like, set your

624
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 5: stuff over here, and let's take a picture of him.

625
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 5: And I was like, dude, forget the picture. Man, let's

626
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 5: get him out of here. And he's like, no, no, no,

627
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 5: he's huge. He's one of the biggest lines I've ever seen.

628
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 5: He's been hunting lines for, you know, fifteen years, so

629
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 5: he's he knows what he's talking about.

630
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, all right, whatever.

631
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 5: I go to pick this thing up and I grab

632
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 5: it around a belly and I lift it up and

633
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm like, dude, this thing is like two

634
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 5: hundred pounds. He's like, nah, he's probably like one seventy

635
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 5: one sixty five, and I'm like, dude, I know what

636
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 5: two hundred pounds feels like. This thing's two hundred plus,

637
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 5: telling you, and he's like, yeah, whatever, and I get

638
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 5: him up and then he's in the head just like

639
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 5: flops right onto my forehead and I'm like, che you know,

640
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 5: you can't even see my face and he goes flop

641
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 5: his head to the side, so I like like nudge

642
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 5: his head over and boomy. That's the picture the famous

643
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 5: bitch I snapped that he snapped of me right there,

644
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 5: and then I just dropped him and he comes over.

645
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 5: Let me feel this thing. He could hardly pick it up.

646
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 5: He's like, oh man, he is heavy. So we gutted

647
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 5: him out and I just laid him acry. I have

648
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 5: a Kafaro Striker XL pack and has like a meat

649
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 5: hanger on it, so I just like hung that line

650
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 5: across that. So the tail it's eight and a half

651
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 5: feet long, so the tail's hanging out one end and

652
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 5: the head's hanging out the other end. And there's also

653
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 5: a video of me doing that, trying to get over

654
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 5: this dead fall, and you can see I'm just like wrecked.

655
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 5: He goes heavy, huh, And I'm like yeah, it's heavy.

656
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Speaker 5: I was like, I pack elk out and everything, you know,

657
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Speaker 5: put one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty pounds of

658
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Speaker 5: elk meat, you know, with a skull and antlers, and

659
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Speaker 5: really don't have a problem. This is like I'm struggling

660
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Speaker 5: with this. So I did the same thing. He's like,

661
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna get the dogs down here because it wore out,

662
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Speaker 5: you know. So he just takes off. He doesn't even

663
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Speaker 5: help me, he just takes off. So I strapped my

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Speaker 5: boat on my packs, you know, with the lion in there,

665
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Speaker 5: and get in and I start crawling down backwards with

666
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Speaker 5: this lion just like dragging on, you know, it's just

667
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Speaker 5: dragging all over the place.

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Speaker 2: And I get to this.

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Speaker 5: I thought I was taking the same path that I

670
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Speaker 5: took up, but I kind of went the wrong way,

671
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Speaker 5: and I like I had to get across this little

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Speaker 5: drop off. It was probably ten foot drop off, and

673
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Speaker 5: I was like, I got to walk across this now.

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Speaker 5: And when I say, I took one step and just

675
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Speaker 5: foot feet came right out from under me shim. And

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Speaker 5: I was like, I just put my arms across my

677
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Speaker 5: body and accepted my fate. At that point, I was like,

678
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Speaker 5: who knows what I'm gonna land on, And luckily I

679
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 5: landed like right underneath this tree and it was just soft,

680
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Speaker 5: and I was just super lucky that I landed right there,

681
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Speaker 5: because like all around me is deadfall and I could

682
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Speaker 5: have gotten paled or something.

683
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Speaker 2: But I fell off that thing.

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Speaker 5: And then I had to repack the lion on this slope,

685
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Speaker 5: you know, I had to repack him in there because

686
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Speaker 5: he was all it was all screwed up. So I

687
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Speaker 5: repacked him and I come crawling down out of there.

688
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Speaker 5: It took me like an hour and a half to

689
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Speaker 5: get down out of that and finally got him to

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Speaker 5: the truck, sat him on the truck, and was just like,

691
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Speaker 5: oh god. I was like I can't I can't believe

692
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Speaker 5: that took six It was like six and a half

693
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Speaker 5: hours up there, just getting my just getting my butt kicker.

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Speaker 3: You're like, next time, I'm going to bring some electrolyts, right, Yeah.

695
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Speaker 2: Well I did. I mean I drank electrolytes and everything.

696
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Speaker 1: But the problem.

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Speaker 5: The thing is when you get to that altitude, yeah

698
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Speaker 5: you know what I mean, it's like it just sucks

699
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Speaker 5: it right out of you, you know. Plus you know

700
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Speaker 5: it's cold, so you have to have, you know, some

701
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Speaker 5: cold gear on. So I got a puffy on and

702
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Speaker 5: and everything, but it wasn't like I couldn't really take

703
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Speaker 5: it off because then I'm already sweating, so now I'm

704
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Speaker 5: going to freeze if I take it off. So I

705
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 5: just like accepted my fate at that point and we

706
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 5: jumped in the truck. And the funny thing was is

707
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Speaker 5: I I was I was like two hours late for

708
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Speaker 5: my radio show that I did, sports radio show. I

709
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 5: was like two hours late for my show, and They're like,

710
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 5: where are you at? And I'm like, I sent him.

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Speaker 1: A picture of me plug the sh tell people what

712
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Speaker 1: you do. Yeah.

713
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Speaker 5: So it's uh, it's a sports radio show. It's one

714
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 5: of four three the Fan. We're the number one sports

715
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 5: show in Denver. So we just talk at all things sports.

716
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Speaker 5: I'm I'm doing that and I'm also doing a pod,

717
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 5: my own podcast. I just launched my first episode. It's

718
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 5: the Wolf Fun Tame Podcast. And then I'm doing a

719
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Speaker 5: hunting show as well, and we just started launching episodes

720
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Speaker 5: from my first fall out of football, you know, hunting,

721
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Speaker 5: bow hunting and turkey hunting, stuff like that. That's called

722
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 5: Wolf Untamed It's on YouTube as well, so you can

723
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 5: check us out on Spotify. Then you can also on

724
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Speaker 5: Denver sports dot com. You can watch you can watch

725
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Speaker 5: the show. It's pretty funny, like we have a good time.

726
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 5: It's really like a comedy show. We're just goofing around

727
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Speaker 5: the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I should point out? Can I point that out?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Please?

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Speaker 1: Who said that?

731
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Speaker 2: That was Phil Man? I'll get a.

732
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: Drive me crazy? Is that a genuine question about who

733
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: said that?

734
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: I could tell?

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Speaker 1: I can't tell. I used to look Phil dead in

736
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: the face, dead in the face. I can tell what

737
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Speaker 1: he's thinking. Now I can't see this. I mean, I

738
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Speaker 1: asked the guy cannot see Phil? Oh, there's his hands

739
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: sticking up. Cal was thinking we'd put a little like

740
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Speaker 1: a heart monitor up in the corner, so least tell

741
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Speaker 1: like his vitals signs.

742
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Speaker 8: Feel like a little live feed on the on the

743
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Speaker 8: TV there speaking.

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Speaker 1: Of Okay, that's great segue. You can watch what we're

745
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: doing right now on YouTube. Phil's got it all rigged up.

746
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: It's become Phil's like passion project. This is being filmed

747
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: right now. I wish we could see Phil's face because

748
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Speaker 1: you think a guy, If you think a guy that

749
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Speaker 1: was that like to do that was a thespian.

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Speaker 2: You know what that means, Phil, Yeah, an actor of

751
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: stage and screen.

752
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 1: You think a thespian like Phil would be like jumping

753
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: up and down at his big chance to like be

754
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: broadcast on yet another platform. That makes me a little uncomfortable,

755
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: But I do have there as a film doesn't want

756
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: to he doesn't want to be as.

757
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 6: It's kind of fun to just imagine what.

758
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: The viewers can see. I just cut to the film cam.

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00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: It exists.

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00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: You guys, can you're on the film camera, film cam

761
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: right now, go camera.

762
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 7: For You're actually wrong, Steve. He's he's the only one

763
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 7: who has their own camera on him. So there is,

764
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 7: and there is.

765
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Speaker 1: He's hidden back. There is because he's probably like got

766
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: like his face powder on and it's like he's got

767
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: his makeup on a little eyeliner. He doesn't want everybody

768
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: to tease him. Uh, we're gonna, we're gonna dig back

769
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: into Uh we're gonna We're I want we're gonna dig

770
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: back into more of the more because we gotta get

771
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Speaker 1: that was a good part of the story. Yeah, yeah,

772
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: the other garbage is whatever part of the story. But

773
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Speaker 1: that was that was the part? I like, yeah, well,

774
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, it just real funny. We just did a

775
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: thing with the did you follow the blue marlin controversy?

776
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: Those boys that caught that blue marlin down to North

777
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: Carolina and won a big tournament.

778
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: I didn't follow it. No, I heard about it, so

779
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: he pay much attention to.

780
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: Roughly, these dudes go out and they join a tournament

781
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: and they're kind of like they're under underdogs in the

782
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 1: blue Marlin tournament, but they win the blue Yeah, they

783
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 1: don't win. They catch a big ass blue marlin. This

784
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: episode's already out, people could check it out. Was that filmed?

785
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: No, that's that's not gonna be a video.

786
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: Uh, they catch a big blue marlin six hundred odd pounds,

787
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: but it gets disqualified because it had a little bitte

788
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: mark on it.

789
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: Oh because the shark got gone on shark bit it.

790
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: So they lost their three point five million bucks. We

791
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: had them on and one of the things they were

792
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: appreciative of this is like a little plug for our show,

793
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: is they had done every interview in the world. Who

794
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Speaker 1: are they interview with.

795
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 4: Krinn, New York Times, CNN, Washington.

796
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 9: Post, every local.

797
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: NPR was n PR.

798
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: New York Times is doing a piece on.

799
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Speaker 10: Them, UK Daily Mail and all that website, all that,

800
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 10: and he says he's never gotten to talk about what

801
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 10: he imagines is the cool part is catching the fish.

802
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about catching the fish.

803
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: And it's a crazy story about catching the fish. No

804
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: one cares about catching the fish because we've probably got

805
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: to tell about catching the damn fish, which was amazing, Right,

806
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: that's a huge fish.

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Speaker 5: I actually now that you're telling me, I saw the

808
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 5: picture of the fish, but I didn't see where that

809
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 5: was like a superficial dude.

810
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: Where I had a bite on it. I didn't even

811
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Speaker 2: see it.

812
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: You know what, if you go, folks can go back

813
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: and listen to this. Uh, they didn't even know because

814
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: when they pulled the they pulled the fishes. They when

815
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Speaker 1: they pulled the fish up, I think they pulled up

816
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: the the fish's starboard side and they couldn't see the

817
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: port side of the fish. That's how it's like they

818
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 1: didn't even know. Yeah, they've know, they pulled it up.

819
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Speaker 1: You can't, like you said, you can't roll these things around.

820
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't even they weren't even then later that he

821
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Speaker 1: was like aware of it, but didn't even give it

822
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Speaker 1: any thought. It's just like a mark. Yeah, and he

823
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: said about heartbreak it's great. Joined also by Bill vander Hayden.

824
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Speaker 1: How's going man?

825
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Speaker 4: Good?

826
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Speaker 1: You missed a good transition there? Oh what should I

827
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Speaker 1: have done? You should ask Derek will Broadhead. He used,

828
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Speaker 1: I was gonna do that and I forgot about it.

829
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Speaker 2: I was using an iron Will you were?

830
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Speaker 1: Do you know Bill Pryor?

831
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

832
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh so you guys have met? You guys are Yeah,

833
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Speaker 1: I was.

834
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Speaker 2: I've been shooting iron Wills for a while now.

835
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Speaker 4: Really, so we met at the Colorado Bull Hunters Hey,

836
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Speaker 4: Bill Stake, we met at the Colorado Bull Hunters Association.

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Speaker 1: So how's thing's been going to Iron Will Man Good? Good?

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Speaker 4: Been busy? Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you guys have me

839
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Speaker 4: on last year doing that podcast on physics Fate and

840
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 4: physics and fatality. I think it was called but yeah.

841
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Speaker 4: I got a lot of interest in and us from that,

842
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Speaker 4: So appreciate it.

843
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. You know, I wanted to ask you

844
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: do you Uh? I guess you probably wouldn't know this

845
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: because you can't tell that if people that listened to

846
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: the show. This is like, I guess this is a

847
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: marketing question. People that listened to the show and came

848
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Speaker 1: to you from having heard the show, did they did

849
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Speaker 1: they seem to be like mostly Western elk hunters or

850
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: were you hearing from like white tail hunters and whatnot?

851
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, good question. I think a lot of the Western

852
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 4: like elk hunters had kind of already heard of this,

853
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Speaker 4: so I think a lot of the people were more

854
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: Midwest or even Eastern white tail hunters. Like we went

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Speaker 4: to Pennsylvania Total Archery Challenge event. I had a lot

856
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 4: of people come up to the booth there say they

857
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: heard the Meat Eater podcast and also a dent we

858
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Speaker 4: were down in at a Dallas show and a lot

859
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Speaker 4: of people there as well down in.

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Speaker 1: Texas got it. Yeah, man, had I had an opportunity

861
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Speaker 1: to use your broad heads hunting white tails last winter

862
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Speaker 1: and phenomenal, and my my friend I was hunting with

863
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Speaker 1: we were both using them and they work on EUT right.

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Speaker 1: But what's cool about this is we're now you can

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Speaker 1: now come and find in addition to coming to our

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Speaker 1: store and finding first Light gear, finding FHF gear phelps,

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Speaker 1: game calls soon to be DSD, you can also now

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Speaker 1: come and find you know, those are those are like,

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Speaker 1: those are our brands. This is not you. We were

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Speaker 1: now able to carry iron Will broadheads on our website.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell tell folks what they can find on

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Speaker 1: our website.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna launch here with our S series broadheads

874
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: or S one hundred, which is what you and and

875
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 4: Jason used on your Elka in New Mexico, along with

876
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 4: our S one twenty five to our very popular heads,

877
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 4: and then our new our new head for the year,

878
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 4: which is a wide single bevel one hundred and fifty

879
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 4: grand head, which is our one new broadhead that we

880
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 4: just launched. So those are gonna get the three options

881
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: that Yeah, and yeah, you guys have been using our

882
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 4: heads for a while and we appreciate all the help

883
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: you've done, you know, helping spread the words. So I

884
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: think it's yeah, great partnership.

885
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: Oh it's great. Man, you got a big old bear

886
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: to spring?

887
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 4: I did, Yeah, I got a giant bear. Sketchewan, what

888
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 4: was going on with that?

889
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: You know?

890
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: I've been going there for a few years and seeing

891
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 4: big bears occasionally, and and man, each year I kind

892
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 4: of see a bigger one. And this this guy when

893
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: he was coming through, so he weighed four hundred and

894
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: seventy three pounds. Oh really yeah, twenty one inch.

895
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: Skull, just just a tank. And I see what's the

896
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: boon and crocket cut off? Is it twenty one or

897
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: twenty twenty for the yearly and twenty one for the

898
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: all time? Has your has yours dried yet? No?

899
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 4: So he might not make the all time?

900
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: Might shrink? Just dry him in a bucket of water.

901
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: That's trip Phelps, does it? I heard.

902
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: I'm sitting in the stand.

903
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: Films did not tell me that trick.

904
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 2: You could do the The Felts told me that joke.

905
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 1: Phelps told me that joke, not that trick.

906
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: The Beatles too, I guess the beat like there's a

907
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: beetle process.

908
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: Yoh yeah, drifted. What's that beatle call? Dirmisted dirmistic beetle

909
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 1: carrying beetle that shrinks it less?

910
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he'll drink it last.

911
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. I used Beatles actually on this one.

912
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, I used to hang out with the dude

913
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: that had one of them. Beatleworks. This just the like

914
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: the like, and there's the ways to control. But that

915
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: is a smell that you can't find anywhere else. Man,

916
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: If you bottle that smell and squirted out of a

917
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: can clear room.

918
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: That's funny.

919
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: The outfitter up there had beetles, so we really much

920
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: he had his own.

921
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: He had his own, so we threw it in there

922
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 4: right away, and then like a day or two later,

923
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 4: we just went in there to check on it, and

924
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 4: three of the guys that were there on the hunt

925
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 4: started gagging just by going in that room.

926
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: So sure, man, it's an insane smell in that room. Man. Yeah,

927
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: uh so what's gonna happen with that?

928
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 9: You know?

929
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: What? Do you know? Get a big old rough made

930
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: out of it.

931
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna do a big bear rug, put

932
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 4: it up in the in our shop there on the wall.

933
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: How far aparty you guys, because you're in Colorado.

934
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, we're about an hour and a half. I'm

935
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 4: I'm north. I'm near leveland up near Fort Collins esters

936
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 4: Park area, and you're down a little south of Denver.

937
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: Well, when I did my book event in Denver the

938
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: other day, I sure didn't see you waiting in line.

939
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: I didn't even know about it.

940
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: So this is marketing people's fault.

941
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 7: As an engineer, did you have extra interest in the

942
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 7: submarine story or not?

943
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 4: You know, I did. I wanted to hear the just

944
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 4: review kind of what went wrong there? Huh and yeah,

945
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 4: from an engineering standpoint, I mean the engineers were involved.

946
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 4: If there were engineers involved, they should have known. No,

947
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 4: you shouldn't do that, you know, it doesn't mean a

948
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 4: factor safety.

949
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: Well, he didn't want to He didn't want to hear

950
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: about any of that.

951
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: Hee did he fire the engineer.

952
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: I get where he's coming from. Man, he was like

953
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: an anti regulation guy, you know, which is one thing,

954
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: but the minute you're el on the trip, it's a

955
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: different thing.

956
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 7: Well, and it worked like forty other times. It was

957
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 7: like the forty first seven.

958
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: You know how many times that Alvin you know, you

959
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: know that Alvin submersible you know me trips the Alvin

960
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: submersibles done four. It's a good track record. Yeah, so

961
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: talking about how, oh we've done it times, it's like

962
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: four and it can go deeper. Check me out, man,

963
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm like a sub expert.

964
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 6: I think that I was really curious to see if

965
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 6: you actually had a number in mind.

966
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: The first thing, Like everybody else, like I was like

967
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: the joke that like everybody Montana is a grizzy bear.

968
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: Experts like everybody in America is a submersible.

969
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: And then there were a Russian coup expert.

970
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah right, oh no, but I am an expert on that. Okay,

971
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: we're joined by two of them today. Great. You know

972
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: there's that great quote that, uh.

973
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 3: How war war?

974
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wish I remember how it went.

975
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: War is how Americans learned geography. Yeah, tell me about

976
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: the aeroflight deal you guys are working on, Bill.

977
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I sponsored a study with University of Colorado.

978
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: I've worked with them for quite a few years. I've

979
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 4: been adjunct instructor mechanical Engineering, helping out with the senior

980
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 4: design class for mechanical engineering. And this year got to

981
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 4: prove to this past year got to proved to sponsor

982
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 4: a project and direct it where we had a team

983
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 4: of seniors and mechanical engineering and the project was on

984
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 4: improved aero vein design for bow hunting, you know, for

985
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: arrows with broadheads on the front. So there's really a

986
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 4: limited amount of scientific research on aeroflight when there's a

987
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: broadhead on the front, and the aerodynamics are are much

988
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: different there than let's say a field point because.

989
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: It's cut in the air ahead of it.

990
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: Different right, Yeah, it's cutting the air ahead of it

991
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 4: different there's different pressure on the size of it when

992
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 4: when there's some angle of attack and it tips a

993
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 4: little bit off off of straightforward. So and you know,

994
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 4: I feel pretty strongly that a durable fixed blade head,

995
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 4: sharp with good edge retention is such a better option

996
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 4: than a mechanical. But there's a couple couple problems people

997
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 4: might have, as one might be aeroflight long range with that,

998
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 4: you know, they're not as forgiving as a field point

999
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 4: or a small mechanical. And my own testing I found out,

1000
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 4: but you could be very effective shooting fixed blade has

1001
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: long range with the right aerow set up and a

1002
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 4: tune bow and a couple other things. But I wanted

1003
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 4: to sponsor a kind of an independent industry test where

1004
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: these guys weren't even you know, they're not even bow hunters.

1005
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: They're just following the science and setting up experiments and

1006
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 4: running them to really show that you can be very

1007
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 4: effective in accuracy stability with fixed blade heads at distance

1008
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 4: with enough aero vein. And we studied like six of

1009
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 4: the veins top veins in the industry, along with some prototypes.

1010
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: You know, I had some great results there we looked

1011
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 4: at drag, stability, accuracy, spin up, wind, drift and sound.

1012
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 4: And we had a computation of fluidynamic modeling, you know,

1013
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: so a computer model modeling the flow over the broadhead

1014
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 4: and the full arrow there and then and we could

1015
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: study all these things.

1016
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: There.

1017
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: We could tip the arrow at say five degrees, let's

1018
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: say the bow is not tuned, or you torque a

1019
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: little bit, and look at how much restoring forces there,

1020
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: How well do these veins pull it back on quickly

1021
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 4: back on track? And then we used a shooting machine

1022
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 4: and a lot of equipment. So we had labradar looking

1023
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 4: at speed and drop, so drag we could get from that.

1024
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: We had a high speed camera looking at spin up

1025
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 4: and looking at how quickly arrows got stabilized. We had

1026
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 4: a sophisticated sound system where we recorded sound of the

1027
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: arrow coming at it, crossing over it, and then analyze

1028
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 4: the frequency content like would it be allowed to a person,

1029
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 4: would it be allowed to an animal? So, resulting from

1030
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 4: all that, we found a particular vein that performed the best.

1031
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: And then I worked with Easton to get these machine

1032
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 4: in flesh at three degree hehlicles. So now we sell

1033
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 4: these as well, so we get so many customers asking,

1034
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 4: you know, what's a good arrow for us to use

1035
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: that for good accuracy, you know with your broadheads. So

1036
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: I can say, you know, we have this scientific study

1037
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 4: now that shows these do a great job of quickly

1038
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 4: stabilizing an arrow and giving you a good accuracy, you

1039
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: know with fixed plate heads.

1040
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: That's a textured bank.

1041
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like waves in it.

1042
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: See I hate kind of stuff like this because now

1043
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: I want to have this. It's like Calv's bringing up

1044
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: like how he used to just love ice fishing, always

1045
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: had a great time ice fishing, and then better electronics

1046
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: come out and some guy shows up with that and

1047
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: you're like, we're fucked now, you know, like you're like, no,

1048
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: it's not now we're not gonna do any good because

1049
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: he's got something better. That's pretty cool though, m let's

1050
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: see that.

1051
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 7: So was this study, did it like compare it against

1052
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 7: field points and mechanicals or what were the broadheads that

1053
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 7: were being used.

1054
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 4: We we used Ironwald broadheads in the study, but we

1055
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 4: can pared him to field points. So what we looked

1056
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 4: at was like for accuracy, we use a bow that's

1057
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 4: out of tune, so you know, a bow intune means basically,

1058
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 4: when it leaves, your bow is going in a straight line,

1059
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 4: you know, at the target, the knox pushing directly in

1060
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 4: line er comes off straight. That's really what a tune

1061
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 4: bow means. Untuned bow, like we would take it out

1062
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 4: of tune so that it would come out, say, tail

1063
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: left right out of the boat.

1064
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 9: Yu.

1065
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: When we were young, we just thought it was like

1066
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: just the how it was that your arrow fishtails. Yeah,

1067
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: that your arrow fishtail for fifteen yards. It's just the reality.

1068
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: It's like a comforting feeling to see it just kind

1069
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: of fishtail out eventually straight out.

1070
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 4: With like a long bow or something where you're not

1071
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 4: cut to center the bow is the arrow is going

1072
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 4: to have to you know, flex around the riser and

1073
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: there's a special Yeah, it'd be like a perfect stiffness

1074
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 4: to get that to go straight.

1075
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: Is that the archer's paradox?

1076
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: It is?

1077
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we named episode that one time, right, Yeah, I

1078
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: listened to that one. Yeah, you had a problem with

1079
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: that one.

1080
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: I did you wonder why whenever I hear things that

1081
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 4: defy the laws of physics, I got to speak up.

1082
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: Something deep in your brain goes off.

1083
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of those like modern recurves

1084
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 3: and stuff are cut like when I was building them,

1085
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: like an eighth past center or center cut. But then

1086
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 3: there's you know, problems with strong risers. You know, lot

1087
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: goes into it.

1088
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, with with recurves and using fingers, there's just a

1089
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 4: lot more happening there. You know, in a compound, you

1090
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 4: can really adjust your rest and you know your bow

1091
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 4: set up so that you're knocks getting pushed your strengths

1092
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 4: pushing your knock in a straight line and the arrows

1093
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 4: coming straight off the bow. Some people, some people teach

1094
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 4: different ways of tone, but I mean that's really the best,

1095
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 4: having your air coming perfect straight and you know that's

1096
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 4: how you can achieve the best flight. But really this study,

1097
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 4: I know, nobody's perfect, and a lot of people aren't

1098
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: great at tuning their bow. So part of this study was, okay,

1099
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: if yourro's not coming straight off your bow, it's actually

1100
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 4: coming out tail left. One of the tests we do

1101
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 4: is we'll just shoot a fletch shaft versus a bear shaft.

1102
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 4: It's say thirty and forty yards because a bear shaft

1103
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 4: and we'll add some tape maybe to get the weight

1104
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 4: the same, but a bear shaft will come out tail

1105
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 4: left and then it'll just stay that angle and it'll

1106
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 4: end up hitting right.

1107
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: Oh, get out there, Yeah that's in yeah, of course, right,

1108
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: nothing's pulling it back.

1109
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 4: Yes, that's a great way to test is my bow

1110
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 4: really tuned or not. Take a bear shaft versus a

1111
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 4: flet shaft just to feel points. I'd say thirty yards.

1112
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 4: Thirty yards is pretty good. Forty yards and you do

1113
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 4: it a few times. If they're not hitting like the same,

1114
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 4: then it means you know your form or something else

1115
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: is wrong with your bow.

1116
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know why it never occurred to me,

1117
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, no, fletching is never going to recover,

1118
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: right right. Yeah.

1119
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 4: So in this stuff we had it so that a

1120
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 4: bear cheft was hitting a foot right of a flat

1121
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: shaft at forty So this is way out of tune

1122
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 4: really even with that one.

1123
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: In that case, is the knock on? Is the knock

1124
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: lined up? Or is the center of the arrow lined up? Like?

1125
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: What is on target? Mean? If you if you shot it,

1126
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: no fletching and it kicks left and it just says

1127
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: like that and goes in and then you're standing from

1128
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: your perspective, some part of your arrow is going to

1129
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: cross the bull's eye maybe like center when you're looking

1130
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: at it. Is that not true? Or is that true?

1131
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of. It's kind of difficult when it's

1132
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: tip when it's tipped in an angle to like basically

1133
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 4: the the wind direction. At that point it ends up

1134
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 4: with the veins. It will just quickly get get put

1135
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 4: straight back on, you know, without it, it's it's probably

1136
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 4: tipping back a little bit towards it. But yeah, what

1137
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 4: part I mean, the whole arrow was kind of getting

1138
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 4: thrown at the bull's eye, but it's gonna end up

1139
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 4: drifting right, just because the way the airflow is in the.

1140
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: Pressure, So the whole arrow drift right, not okay, I

1141
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: got you. That'll continue on that drifting path.

1142
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 4: So what you see is your fletch arrow might be

1143
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 4: in the bull's eye, but your your bear chaft will be.

1144
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 4: In this case, it was a foot right, and you

1145
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 4: can see the back of the arrow is tipped tail.

1146
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I guess that's my question. The knock is right too,

1147
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: because it drifts because the arrow drifted. Yeah, I got you.

1148
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you follow.

1149
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: That question, doctor Randall. No, I didn't teach you that

1150
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: that doctor.

1151
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 8: School archery is an area of profound ignorance in my world.

1152
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 7: So what vein setups were all testing? Did you have

1153
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 7: like four veins and did you have three inch? Did

1154
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 7: you test any like of the fobs that have become

1155
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 7: sexy in the last few years.

1156
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 4: We didn't test the fobs we had. Let's see, we

1157
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 4: had Blazers, Max Hunters, Max Stealth, Silent Nights feather into

1158
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 4: the mix just for fun. I've tested, uh feathers in

1159
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 4: the past, and they are so loud. I don't think

1160
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 4: people realize that it's funny. One, yeah, man, it's funny when.

1161
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: I've watched the movies.

1162
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny when people will say like, oh, that's

1163
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 4: you know, that's a loudhead or something, and then you

1164
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 4: shooting feathers. I'm like, I can show you the data

1165
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 4: that shows that those feathers are so much louder than

1166
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 4: anything else.

1167
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: Is that right?

1168
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1169
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: How did you?

1170
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 4: Uh?

1171
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: What's the reason for the the textured? When I say textured,

1172
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: the veins rippled it looks like a sting ray file

1173
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: a for you just to draw very vivid in its

1174
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: what that looks like?

1175
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: Would it be more drag?

1176
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1177
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 4: You know, we to be honest, I don't know why

1178
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 4: that made this a little better. We're just kind of

1179
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 4: within without, but we looked at all the results and

1180
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 4: we we you know, we looked at drag dragon sound

1181
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 4: were reduced with these ridges and this particular vein material.

1182
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: Are you guys selling just the veins? You gotta buy

1183
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: the whole Damn, we're selling the veins to like, bring

1184
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: a little pile of them.

1185
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 4: I didn't. I could ship you some.

1186
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: So it'd be it's less drag with the the little

1187
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: ripples in those veins.

1188
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and you know, like I'm not sure if

1189
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 4: this is applicable, but you know a golf ball has

1190
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 4: little dimples in it, it'll change like the airflow over

1191
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: it and the turbulence, and that's an improvement.

1192
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:19,959
Speaker 3: Sure.

1193
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: Oh they play golf with no dimples.

1194
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if they did, but I know

1195
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 4: dimples in the golf ball make it, you know, go further.

1196
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 4: It changes the airflow across it.

1197
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 7: They did play with the smooth ball. I think it

1198
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 7: was an accident when they stumbled on that. The like

1199
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 7: dimples made a difference.

1200
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 5: So we need those dimples to make it go straight. Now,

1201
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 5: if I can just keep the ball straight. I mean,

1202
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 5: I'll drive it four hundred every time.

1203
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, that's interesting though. So but when you got

1204
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: here's my question about the researchers, you had to fund it.

1205
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 4: I did, yeah, but since i'm the directory, they pay

1206
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: me to to direct it. So it worked out pretty good.

1207
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: And then, uh, because you weren't previously made, you weren't

1208
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: previously making a fletching, so you didn't have you weren't

1209
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: in there with a bias.

1210
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 4: No, And I really just wanted to like be able

1211
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 4: to say to our customers, we get so many questions

1212
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 4: about what vein should I use and how will this

1213
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 4: vein work? And so I wanted to study them all

1214
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 4: in this testing And now I have all the data

1215
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 4: and I can say, yeah, this one man works pretty good.

1216
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: This one has a little more drag, but it's fine.

1217
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 4: So it was really that's that was the reason for

1218
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 4: the study. And then I worked with AAE that that

1219
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 4: made some of the veins that were in the study

1220
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 4: and just got ribbon material from them so that we

1221
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 4: could laser cut different shapes in them. And they sent

1222
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 4: me materials with different stiffnesses, different you know, with and

1223
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 4: without ribbing things like that. So we had a bunch

1224
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 4: of things a prototype and test as well, and we

1225
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 4: found this one that it did a great job with accuracy, stability,

1226
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 4: but then reduced drag and sound. And you know, I

1227
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 4: can have my bow out of tune. I currently have

1228
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 4: my bow out of tune. You know, it is hitting

1229
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: four inches right, fourty five inches you right at forty

1230
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 4: So just a little out of tune. Not terrible, But

1231
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: I can hit the same point of impact with broadheads

1232
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 4: and field points up to one hundred yards with a

1233
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 4: bow a little out of tune with this vein on it,

1234
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 4: you know, it just does a great job stabilize it.

1235
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 4: So when I was seeing that, I'm like, I just

1236
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 4: decided we're just gonna, you know, offer this vein as

1237
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 4: well as a fletched arrow to customers that want it.

1238
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: How much do you shoot? How much you shoot field points? Man?

1239
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 4: I shoot them. I shoot field points and broadheads typically,

1240
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 4: you know together like every day do.

1241
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: You just by mean, are you shooting them just to

1242
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: save on because you know, I got a feeling you

1243
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: got a good line on broadheads. Are you shooting them

1244
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: just to save on targets?

1245
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 4: It saves on targets. I don't shoot up targets as much. Yeah,

1246
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 4: and also I don't need to shoot well. If I'm

1247
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 4: shooting groups at distance, I still wreck I still wreck things.

1248
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 4: If I shoot three broad head, it's you know, some

1249
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 4: cut in veins. I'm hitting one broad hand to another

1250
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 4: part of it is if I'm going to shoot a

1251
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 4: group of eighty yards, I'll shoot one broadhad two field points.

1252
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know why I shoot them. I was just

1253
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: curious a fella in your position while you're shooting. But

1254
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: you still you stilln't like just destroy everything, you know,

1255
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: and all the time.

1256
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I mean I want to. I like to

1257
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 4: shoot a lot just to keep in practice and be

1258
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 4: able to you know, I find just shooting daily or

1259
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 4: maybe skip a day here and there, but just shooting

1260
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 4: a lot. I just keep my form consistent. But yeah,

1261
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 4: there's no need to shoot broadheads all the time.

1262
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: Did the college already have an arrow shooter?

1263
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 4: No, No, so I supplied like a it's a hooter.

1264
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 4: Shooter is the name of the machine, but it's a

1265
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 4: shooting machine. We got the labradar, and so we got

1266
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 4: some of the equipment they needed there for the test.

1267
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 7: You know Kent State University that we get the Yeah,

1268
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 7: we were talking to them about doing some other fun projects.

1269
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 7: They don't have one hooter shooter. They have two hooter

1270
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 7: shooters that they use for their experiments.

1271
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: I always thinks that would be like a shot that

1272
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: you'd get at Hooters. If I heard that it could

1273
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: be speaking of you know, he just sent me Met

1274
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: and Aaron just sent me a pretty interesting academic article

1275
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 1: that has to do with like, you know, how how

1276
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: Clovis points why they're so mesmerizing and why people are

1277
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: so fixated on them, and and like, you know, for

1278
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: a fellow such as yourself, not that you have one,

1279
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: but tattoos, paintings, people, you can lay out a bunch

1280
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: of uh, you can lay out a bunch of stone

1281
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: projectile points, and people are going to point to that one.

1282
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: And it's it's what is the art like what is

1283
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: the artistic merit? Right? So, so they talked all these

1284
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: art and design people to be and then some people

1285
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: say it's so beautiful that it must have been part

1286
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: of its design. Must have been its beauty, Like there's

1287
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: aspects of it that don't make sense from a functional standpoint,

1288
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: like why would you go through all the hassle? It

1289
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: must have been that they knew that it was beautiful,

1290
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: They knew that it was art. So his paper I

1291
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: read the what do you call it up top? I

1292
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: read the abs distract? Yeah, basically, yeah, basically why are

1293
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: Clovis points? So like, why do songwriters want to write

1294
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: songs about Clovis points and they're not writing songs about

1295
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't know all the other ones? Do you do

1296
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: you share that same sentiment? I've never written song about those, No, like.

1297
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 7: Aesthetically, aesthetically the please I wrote a song about doctor Randall,

1298
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 7: Oh you did about Yanni.

1299
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: My song about Dr Ranadal's about how he can't actually

1300
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:54,959
Speaker 1: prescribe drugs, So it doesn't really matter.

1301
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 8: Someone sent in another song based on your song to

1302
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 8: Roam and he shared it with me the other day.

1303
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: But do I share the idea that there's something about him?

1304
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 7: Like esthetically, they're the most pleasing absolute there's something there,

1305
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 7: there's something there, there's something that appeals to the modern

1306
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 7: there's something that appeals to the modern eye.

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00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill Man, I'm glad we get I'm glad you're

1308
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: letting us uh be a I don't know you called

1309
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: a dealer to use that word. Yeah, you're letting us

1310
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: carry some of your products on her site.

1311
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 4: Man, yeah, you'll be the the one and only seriously,

1312
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 4: really that's selling them besides us, you know online? Yeah?

1313
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1314
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 3: Are we going to sell the veins do you? Guys?

1315
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 4: You can? Oh, I don't think it's set up to

1316
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 4: do it initially.

1317
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: But hustle now because you're gonna be wanting those veins,

1318
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: right and if you want.

1319
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 3: To, I'm gonna get some of those veins for sure.

1320
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: Huh. Well, thanks for coming out, man, as always, tell

1321
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: me about the new Tell me again about the new

1322
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: head you got.

1323
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's a wide, single bevel. We came out

1324
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 4: with single bevel broadhead.

1325
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, sell me real quick on so I know we've

1326
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: talked about this, but tell me again on when people

1327
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: argue about single or double is just mental masturbation or what?

1328
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: What do you think on it? Well, they are different,

1329
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: but you both perform really well. But when you when

1330
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: you do because you're looking at things, You're looking at

1331
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: things empirically right, You're not just being like I got

1332
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: a nice I got a huge bowl with this, so

1333
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: it must be the best. I mean. Tell me, yeah,

1334
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: So from a from a sign, from a from an

1335
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: engineering perspective, what are you getting and not getting what

1336
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: are you sacrificing and not sacrificing?

1337
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 4: And also tell people what the hell single bevel means. Yeah,

1338
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 4: so a single bevel verus double bevel. The edge itself

1339
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 4: on a single bevel. It's all ground from one side

1340
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 4: of the blade, so the other side of the blade

1341
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 4: is just flat and all the grind is on one side.

1342
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: Like some super fine, high quality sushi knives are single bevel.

1343
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: But if you open your knife drawer, all your shit's

1344
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: double bevel.

1345
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 4: Pretty much, everything's double bebble and there's a Yeah, they

1346
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 4: grind from both sides of the blade to come together

1347
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 4: and make a sharp point.

1348
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,959
Speaker 1: Oh you know what your ice augurs? Single bevel? Mm hmm, yeah,

1349
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: it's about it.

1350
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 4: Things that shave. I think there's like cheese shave, things

1351
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 4: that shave where they're just wanting to push.

1352
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like your razor that you shave with in

1353
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: the morning, right, singler double?

1354
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 4: I think those are I think those are singles. Okay, yeah,

1355
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 4: But like if you take a double bubble and put

1356
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 4: it down through a block of cheese, it's going to

1357
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 4: go if you're gonna like cut in half, it'll go straight.

1358
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 4: But if you have a single bebbel knife and put

1359
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 4: it down through it like a block of cheese. It's

1360
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 4: going to push off to the side because that pressure

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00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 4: will make it when I push on.

1362
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: When you get to the end of the block, you

1363
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: got a big old kurvy cheese. Right.

1364
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 4: So what happens when that goes through an animal is

1365
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 4: all that pressure on one side and and you what

1366
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 4: you do is you grind you know, say, the left

1367
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 4: side on the top and the right side on the

1368
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 4: bottom of the blade, so that when it goes through

1369
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 4: an animal and all the pressures on those bebbles, it

1370
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 4: creates a rotation of the broadhead true the animal. So

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Speaker 4: and you think that that's true, that is true. It's

1372
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 4: not just in theory, No, that's that's true. I mean

1373
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 4: we've we've done it with high speed video. We've looked

1374
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 4: at it going through different mediums, going through animals as well,

1375
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 4: and we do see that it does rotate.

1376
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 7: There's some great YouTube videos where guys will shoot a

1377
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 7: single bevel versus a double bevel through like a shoulder

1378
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 7: blade of a critter. And when you see the maybe

1379
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 7: I'm understanding this wrong, but when you see this double

1380
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 7: bevel go through it looks like the footprint of the broadhead, Like,

1381
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 7: it looks like you could just shove that thing through there,

1382
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 7: and you know exactly what happened there. With a single bevel, though,

1383
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 7: it's like a hole. It's like a drill went through there,

1384
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 7: and you don't quite see the outline of the broadhead

1385
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 7: as much.

1386
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: Right, Let's say you're passing that arrow through one hundred

1387
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: and fifty pounds white tail. Yeah, okay, you hit it

1388
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: behind the shoulder or wherever the hell you hit it

1389
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: anywhere you want. How many rotations that is it actually

1390
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: going to get done? That's a good question.

1391
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 4: Much. Really, it's like maybe one. It depends a little

1392
01:00:59,320 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: bit what it goes.

1393
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: It's not like a drill, so it's.

1394
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 4: Not like a drill.

1395
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 7: But when you look at the shoulder blade, one looks

1396
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 7: like is like the size of a shot glass, right,

1397
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 7: and the other one, like I said, it is like

1398
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 7: the footprint of the broadhead. Is how they look?

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01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 4: Well, we see this through the hide.

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01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: Do you believe you're right? Do you agree with him?

1401
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 4: It does change the shape of the hole and we

1402
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 4: see this through hide. That with a single bevel or

1403
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 4: with a double bebbl you're pretty much getting a cross cut.

1404
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 4: Say you have bleeders, so you got a cross blade,

1405
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 4: you're pretty much just getting that that cross cut through

1406
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 4: the hide and through the tissue, organs, whatever with with

1407
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 4: a single bubbl with that rotation, and I like a

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01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 4: single bebble with bleeders. And we also do that single

1409
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 4: belvel grind on the bleeders because I like a cross

1410
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 4: cut anyway to kind of open up holes. But if

1411
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 4: you do that and it rotates, now the entrance and

1412
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 4: exit holes through the high they're almost square. They are

1413
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 4: more rounded, even though as you mentioned, there's not a

1414
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 4: ton of rotation. It's not like a drill, but it

1415
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: seems like twisting the hide or tissue as it's cutting

1416
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 4: does change the whole shape like that God, and you

1417
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 4: can see it through through lungs, liver or whatever too.

1418
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 4: It's got a little different shape to it.

1419
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 3: Correct correct me if I'm wrong. When you're shooting a

1420
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 3: single bevel, it's pretty important to match up. Like let's

1421
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 3: say you got a left wing feather. You want a

1422
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 3: left bevel on your on your single bevel broadheads so

1423
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 3: it doesn't spin the opposite way you want to spin

1424
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 3: the same.

1425
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 4: That is very important.

1426
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: Yep.

1427
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 4: You want your arrow, well, you want it to be

1428
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 4: rotating to begin with, So you don't want straight fleshed.

1429
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 4: You want some I like two or three degrees offset

1430
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 4: or vehicle on your veins to create some rotation of

1431
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 4: the arrow.

1432
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1433
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 4: That kind of helps average out in any asymmetries in there,

1434
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 4: if you can get the thing to spin on the

1435
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 4: way there.

1436
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: When I'm throwing a big old spiral man on top

1437
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: right and then on spencer goes out for the bomb, and then.

1438
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 4: On impact, you want to just keep rotating the same

1439
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 4: way it was going, I'd have to like stop and

1440
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 4: rotate the direction. That would lose energy.

1441
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we do have a video on our YouTube,

1442
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: so you got to be cognizant of that and line

1443
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: that up. Wait or is it always or is it

1444
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: always that same twist?

1445
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't have to really line anything up. It's

1446
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 4: just the way you fletch. If you're like there as

1447
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 4: we sell our right fletch.

1448
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, but do you ever see a guy

1449
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: that has his deal rigged up where he's got a

1450
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: right spin on the fletching and a left spin on

1451
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: the bevel but doesn't realize it.

1452
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, once in a while, and we have some We

1453
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 4: have like a YouTube video just explaining how to figure

1454
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 4: out if you've got a right or left fletch and

1455
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 4: a right left single bowbel, just so people can make

1456
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 4: sure they match the two.

1457
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, was there a period in time, like the nineteen

1458
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 7: eighties when everything was double bevel? Did like single bevel

1459
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 7: become popular more recently?

1460
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 4: I think there has always been some very thin, you know,

1461
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 4: cheaply made blades that were single bubbel because it's cheaper

1462
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 4: to make them that win, And a lot of those

1463
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 4: are made on these like real to real metal stamping

1464
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 4: machines where a coil of there's a coil of steel

1465
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 4: on one end, a blaze are coming out the other,

1466
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 4: and they if they can just grind one side, it's

1467
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 4: a quick way to do it. So there are some.

1468
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 4: I think it's always been used kind of an industry

1469
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 4: in some products where it's a very thin blade and

1470
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 4: it's going to be really cheaply made. So I think

1471
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 4: it's always shown up somewhat because of that.

1472
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: Here's a dumb question. Could you have a three blade

1473
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: broadhead that's single bevel?

1474
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 4: You could? There are a few author really do that.

1475
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: Why why would you want to do that again.

1476
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 4: You could get a little rotation with it.

1477
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: That's it.

1478
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 4: It's if you're doing a real real it's probably cheaper

1479
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 4: to make the blade, So it might be I mean

1480
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 4: that's a driving That's a driving factor for a lot

1481
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 4: of broadheads out there is how cheap can I make

1482
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 4: this thing? You know, just to drive the margins higher?

1483
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 4: So a lot of decisions are based on that.

1484
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: Uh, speaking of blades, me and Randall are working on

1485
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: this project about the long hunters and then the beaver trappers.

1486
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 7: Hm.

1487
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: So it'll be like a book, but not a book.

1488
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: It'll be an audio imagine, like a matt like a lecture,

1489
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: like the world's greatest lecture, the world's greatest explaining everything

1490
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: about the long hunters, the deer hide hunters like Boone,

1491
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, and in this work and I got to

1492
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: see in what they're what Boon's hatchet you'd hear like

1493
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: tomahawk and hatchet, tomahawk hatchet. The best guess at what

1494
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: his hatchet would have looked like. Yeah, And had that

1495
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: dude was a dude, people should check him out on Instagram.

1496
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: Riley Kirkpatrick Kirkpatrick Ford. Can you look what is he

1497
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Can someone look Kirkpatrick Ford Forge. I sent

1498
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: him the pictures he made me one of those, the hatchet.

1499
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: So it's just like a like just what Boon's hatchet

1500
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: probably would have looked like?

1501
01:05:58,280 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 4: Is it a single buffler or don't know.

1502
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: That's why I'm bringing it up, double bubble.

1503
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 7: Is there a definition difference between a tomahawk and a hatchet?

1504
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 7: In my mind that tomahawk is thrown or is that

1505
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 7: not not that simple?

1506
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: No, it's just a head shape difference my understanding. It's

1507
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: got that straight shaft and a different kind of head.

1508
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: And they used to make it with what they call it, Randall,

1509
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: that whole tear drop. I don't know what they call it.

1510
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,479
Speaker 8: I'm talking about like that, and you get a different Yeah, yeah,

1511
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 8: she get a different partner for this project.

1512
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 4: Huh.

1513
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 6: I can't tell you, Kirkpatrick Forge.

1514
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: It is that good research? So did you know put

1515
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: that in your little notepad there? Randall? What is the

1516
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: official difference? It's like, what's the diference between a prawn

1517
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: and a shrimp? Depends who you ask?

1518
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 9: What is the difference depending on.

1519
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: So there's like, yeah, I've never found a satisfactory answer.

1520
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: People generally call huge shrimp prawns, and there's some regional variations.

1521
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: But there's also some stuff that I'm not sure about,

1522
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: how the plates on its body, on its abdomen, how

1523
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: the plates overlap. But I don't know if that's horseshit

1524
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: or not.

1525
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 6: Another area of profound ignorance.

1526
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: You know, in my mind. But my hatchet is bad ass,

1527
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna post a video. He makes these videos,

1528
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: how he makes the stuff. It's pretty cool man. He

1529
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: makes like it's amazing.

1530
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 4: So you know, Jordan Jonas, he won alone one of

1531
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 4: the alone seasons with them, he got a He shot

1532
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 4: a moose with a with his bow and then the

1533
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 4: wolverine was trying to get the meat and he killed

1534
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 4: it with a with an axe. Anyways, that's a single

1535
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 4: bubble axe. It's a traditional Siberian axe. And I got

1536
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 4: to be friends with him. He sent me, sent me

1537
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 4: the ax, so I had it for a while. It's

1538
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 4: got a notch in there for every day, I think

1539
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 4: seventy days he was there.

1540
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: But he gave you the axe.

1541
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 4: He sent it to me because I actually did a

1542
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 4: CAD model and we were thinking about get some made

1543
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 4: actually gotch But anyway, it's a single bubble. So they

1544
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 4: use that to like shave bark off of trees and

1545
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 4: things like that.

1546
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: But where are they filming that that they can they

1547
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: can buy animals without needing tags? Do they pulled all

1548
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: in Nunovac.

1549
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 3: Canada like Vancouver Islanders.

1550
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 6: In different I think they get different places.

1551
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 4: I think they get hunting licenses and they can just shoot, Like.

1552
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: There's no way that dude that there's a guy that

1553
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: killed the muskox. He didn't draw a muskox tag. I

1554
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,560
Speaker 1: can tell you that. And he wasn't hunting with a

1555
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: guide or he was. But it's like, I'd love to

1556
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,799
Speaker 1: know whether I think that some of that was Nunavak.

1557
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: So they're like, actually they're able to buy the animals

1558
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: from the from the from the what do they call

1559
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: First Nations person? They're able to buy animals from the

1560
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: First Nations people because you're not You can't hunt big

1561
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: game in Canada without a guide.

1562
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 4: Right.

1563
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 3: Puzzled by that, I had a casting lady called me

1564
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 3: up about that show, remember.

1565
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: That Chester, because Chester makes bows well quit.

1566
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I recently got a message about out being on

1567
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 7: a dating show for rural folks.

1568
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: So if we have anyone in the office here. You

1569
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: can put them on that well, and they wanted you

1570
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: to date. They wanted you to date. Yep, tell you're married.

1571
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 2: I did like Farmers.

1572
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know it was around the time

1573
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: because you're the host of the trivia show. No, I don't.

1574
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it was.

1575
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 7: I would imagine a hundred folks on Instagram got this

1576
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 7: same canned message about being on this dating show for

1577
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 7: like hunters, anglers, farmers. Uh, just rural folks is how

1578
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 7: they described it.

1579
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 6: Man, I'm not getting awkward conversation with my wife.

1580
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: You do well on there.

1581
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,959
Speaker 6: I'm not getting any casting queries. I can only.

1582
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: Hope I'd be like, you know, baby, we've had a

1583
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: good thing going. But I had an opportunities. Really all right, Darren,

1584
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: I want to jop Okay, So that was like that

1585
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: was we had, Like I want to get back to the.

1586
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 2: Story after the nerd session is over.

1587
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:03,759
Speaker 1: Every time I talk to Bill, I feel stupid.

1588
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, this guy's a genius.

1589
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's why it's people. There's like people around

1590
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: and it makes it you don't have to think about stuff.

1591
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's perfect with me. Was like hey, he's like, hey,

1592
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 5: We're gonna make this arrow for you. I'm like, great,

1593
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 5: I have.

1594
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: It's like I got like a lot of opinions about

1595
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: a lot of kinds of uh. I have a lot

1596
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: of well earned opinions about rifles, ammunition, knives, apparel. But

1597
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I've just taken for whatever reason, when

1598
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 1: it comes to archery, I have a you tell me attitude.

1599
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: I just know who I'm going to ask exactly I know,

1600
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go because there's a thing that I'm

1601
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: guilty of it. Other people are guilty of it. You

1602
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: have a great experience, right, Like you do something and

1603
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: you hit a ball and the bull takes two steps

1604
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: of tips over or whatever, or it's a really big bowl,

1605
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 1: and then the rest of your you're like, by god,

1606
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, I like a right hand twist. Did you

1607
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: see how big my bull was? And you're kind of

1608
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: like yeah, but you could have run eight arrow Like

1609
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, could you have run eight different aerow

1610
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: configurations through that bowl and the same thing would have

1611
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: happened or not? Like it's so there's so much anecdotal

1612
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: right or some guys like I'll never use that broadhead

1613
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: again I lost a bull.

1614
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 2: Well maybe you should have put on me.

1615
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, do you know what I'm saying, Like,

1616
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. And so you can get drowned by

1617
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: the unless you have just like experience after experience after

1618
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: experience after experience, you can get drowned in the anecdotal.

1619
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, So I just like to have people, I know,

1620
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: I always talk to Phelips. I like hearing what Bill

1621
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: has to say.

1622
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the same way.

1623
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 5: You know in football, everybody's got it, you know, there's

1624
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 5: always a different way to do something right, like especially

1625
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 5: past rushing, because it is ultimately football is a violent

1626
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,719
Speaker 5: game of chess, is what it.

1627
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: Is all the show. I saw the episode that man, Yeah.

1628
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 5: It's it's just a violent game of chess. And it

1629
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,560
Speaker 5: is like how you fail. It's that's why it's the

1630
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 5: relation between bow hunting and football to me is so

1631
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 5: it's so strong because, Hm, you fail so much, like

1632
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 5: you fail way more than you succeed on the football field.

1633
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 5: And in those failures you have to find like the

1634
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 5: weakness that like that you created. So I'm always like

1635
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 5: doing something to set something up later. Right, So when

1636
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 5: it comes to pass rushing, I'm gonna I'll bull rush

1637
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 5: a guy, right, So I'll just come off and just

1638
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 5: power him, just go put my head under his chin,

1639
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 5: put my hands in his chest and drive him back. Well,

1640
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 5: what's that gonna do the next time? Next time he's

1641
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 5: gonna be like, he's gonna probably bullrush me again. So

1642
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 5: I'm gonna still a little heavier. Then I try to

1643
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 5: get by him, swipe his hands, move, you know, do something,

1644
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 5: and then okay, that that that might have worked. So

1645
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 5: I kind of try to swipe his hands again, so

1646
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 5: he oversets. Then I spin off of that. So then

1647
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 5: you know, that's that's what it turns into. It turns

1648
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 5: into just like this dance. And for me it was

1649
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 5: the same way with you know, I grew up hunting

1650
01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 5: white tail and in Turkey because Ohio northeast Ohio, so

1651
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 5: that's what I was primarily primarily hunting. So western hunting

1652
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 5: was so like I always wanted to do spot in

1653
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 5: stocks because you can't spot in stock whitetail in Ohio

1654
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 5: because it's good luck. You know, you're just like you're

1655
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 5: not going it's not gonna work.

1656
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: You start out young.

1657
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I killed my first white tail when I was thirteen,

1658
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: fourteen years old, and.

1659
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: That was back when you had to know. That was

1660
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: back when you had to wait a while, right, It's

1661
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: not like now you just like start your kid hunting

1662
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: whenever you feel like it.

1663
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 5: Well, I think, well I started. I started like pheasant

1664
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 5: hunting when I was like nine or ten. So you

1665
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 5: were like, I think it's like nine or ten is

1666
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 5: like the cut off that.

1667
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of that, A lot of that's changed

1668
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: so much. But I'm quite a bit older than you are,

1669
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 1: and you had to be like you couldn't you couldn't

1670
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: hunt deer with a gun to you're fourteen?

1671
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 5: Oh wow, See I killed my first deer with the bow.

1672
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 5: Yeah that was a and it was I took a

1673
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 5: climber out and was on a buddy's farm, and yeah,

1674
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 5: I just like first buck that showed its fate, you know,

1675
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 5: showed its antler's This little four pointer just showed up

1676
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 5: and I just started losing my mind up there and yeah,

1677
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 5: put a good shot.

1678
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 2: On me, ran fourteen yards and died.

1679
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: But but you weren't hunting with your dad though.

1680
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,759
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't know my dad. I was hunting

1681
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 2: with friends.

1682
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: Like, could you mind laying that out quick for me.

1683
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1684
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so I grew up. My mom married a

1685
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 2: guy when I was three months old, got married. It

1686
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 2: wasn't my dad.

1687
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: Have you tracked your dad down though?

1688
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: No, tried. I can't find she's going, No, she doesn't.

1689
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 2: My mom doesn't know who it is.

1690
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: But have you gone done like the twenty three.

1691
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 5: And yeah, we've done all that stuff and I'm upset

1692
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 5: now and they have now they have my DNA and

1693
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 5: I don't like that.

1694
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 1: But they're not finding matches.

1695
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: Ain't not finding any matches.

1696
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 5: Cluster they found out like where I'm from, like the

1697
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 5: Scandinavian Fiking background and stuff, but it goes from Scandinavia

1698
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,480
Speaker 5: to Ireland and straight to Appalasia.

1699
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I gathered sometimes they'll be it'll be that,

1700
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: oh in some neighborhood in Cleveland, right, there's a bunch

1701
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: of Yeah, that seems like.

1702
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 2: You couldn't find anything.

1703
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 5: Had a lot of leads that could you know, people

1704
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 5: like oh he kind of looks like you, or he's

1705
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 5: big or this that, and it's like.

1706
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 1: You know, not Chester.

1707
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just we could find it.

1708
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 5: So so that's why you know, when I got intro

1709
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 5: I got introduced to hunting by my stepdad. But his

1710
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 5: idea of hunting was like he'd hand me it a

1711
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 5: four to ten and sit me under a tree and

1712
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 5: tell me not to move, and I'd sit there and

1713
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 5: freeze for four hours and then we'd leave.

1714
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: That's not bad advice. Yeah, he was better than giving

1715
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: you four to ten and telling you to move. Yeah, exactly,

1716
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: it was good.

1717
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 5: I mean he'd say, yeah, sit here, don't move, and

1718
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 5: then he'd go off and wander off somewhere and then

1719
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 5: tell me he'll be back to get me, and I'd

1720
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 5: be sitting in just shivering, like it didn't matter if

1721
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 5: a deer came, I couldn't move it anyways to shoot it.

1722
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 5: So that was my idea of hunting with him. So

1723
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 5: then I when I met a friend when I was

1724
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,919
Speaker 5: in middle school who was really in a bow hunting and.

1725
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 2: His brother was a little bit a little bit taller.

1726
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 5: So when I was when I was like thirteen twelve

1727
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 5: thirteen fourteen, I was shooting like a probably like a

1728
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 5: twenty eight inch draw or something like that, so I

1729
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 5: could just pick up a grown man's bow and start

1730
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 5: shooting it. So I started shooting this old psc that

1731
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 5: he had. It was like his old bow, and I

1732
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 5: was just like it was just like a natural thing

1733
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 5: for me. It just had no problem put in the

1734
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 5: arrow where I wanted it to go.

1735
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 2: It just made sense.

1736
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 5: So I really like picked it up then and I

1737
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 5: was obsessed with it. The problem was is that football

1738
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 5: kind of got in the way of that because September

1739
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 5: and September, October, November is football season all the way

1740
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 5: into December, so you really you're getting like late season

1741
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 5: hunts or all that that are available. So once I

1742
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 5: got into the to college, I didn't get to hunt

1743
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 5: much at all. I was like every now and then

1744
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 5: type of thing.

1745
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 3: Right.

1746
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 5: So it's like if I had a you only get

1747
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 5: two weeks off a year in college football, that's all

1748
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 5: you get. So if it was like, you know, we

1749
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 5: were playing in a BCS game in January or something,

1750
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 5: we'd get like a little four day weekend where we

1751
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 5: could I could dip off up to northeast Ohio and

1752
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 5: hit somebody's farm and I would just you know, shoot

1753
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 5: the first thing it came, so I guess it meat.

1754
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 5: And that's kind of how it went. So, and I

1755
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 5: never had my I didn't have my own bow anymore.

1756
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 5: I couldn't afford one. So I like when I got draft,

1757
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 5: I had seven dollars to my name, didn't have a

1758
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 5: bank account, huh, didn't have I didn't pay I paid

1759
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 5: everything in cash because I had a pel grant. I

1760
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 5: just cashed that check and pay on my rent and

1761
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 5: everything out of that. I was on scholarship, so they

1762
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 5: just paid for all the other stuff.

1763
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 2: You know.

1764
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 5: So I didn't have any any concept of like, you know,

1765
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 5: buying like a fifteen hundred dollars matthews.

1766
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: Around any kind of money.

1767
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 2: No, No, there.

1768
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 5: Was everybody's pretty The averaging come in my hometown is

1769
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 5: like sixteen thousand a year, so it's it's a pretty

1770
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 5: poor area, but a lot of hunters. Everybody hunts, you know.

1771
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 5: It's like we get the first day, the first day

1772
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 5: of opening shotgun season, everybody's off from school. Nobody goes

1773
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 5: to school that day. It's they just call it off.

1774
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 5: So it's a big deal where I come from. But

1775
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 5: that's also another thing why I didn't really like gun hunting,

1776
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 5: because we'd go out and to public land and and

1777
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,839
Speaker 5: gun hunting it was like you had to dodge bullets

1778
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 5: the whole time because if a deer jumped up and ran.

1779
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 5: It was like five or six you know, different groups

1780
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 5: of people shooting at the same deer running across the

1781
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 5: ridge and you're standing on that ridge and you just

1782
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 5: hear the bullets whizzing by, and it's like, you know,

1783
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 5: those are big slugs, you know, So they're really only

1784
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 5: one hundred yards away from you, so they're not far.

1785
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 2: They know that you're up there. What are you shooting

1786
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 2: up here for? So it was just dangerous.

1787
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 5: So I just enjoyed bow hunting better because you're sitting

1788
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 5: in a tree stand, you're kind of you know, there's

1789
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 5: a strategy involved. So that's why like when I started

1790
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 5: l hunting, when I was finally able to l hunt,

1791
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 5: which was you know, I waited ten years in the

1792
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 5: NFL to living in Denver and seeing all my buddies

1793
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 5: getting to go and this and that, and I was like, man,

1794
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 5: I would love to go, but I had no idea

1795
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 5: about the point draw and all this and that. So

1796
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 5: my first time getting to go elk hunt and really

1797
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 5: like seeing how it's the same type of chess match.

1798
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 2: It is.

1799
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 5: Everything can go right, but if that bull decides he

1800
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 5: doesn't want to just take another step out of now

1801
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 5: from behind that tree, it's kind of over for you.

1802
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 5: Or if the wind switches on you, like all these

1803
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 5: factors go in go into it, and everything has to

1804
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 5: happen for a reason, like you're making these moves prior, Like, Okay,

1805
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 5: I've spotted this bowl over on this ridge, so how

1806
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 5: do I get there? I have to make all these

1807
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 5: different moves over hours of like four or five hours

1808
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 5: to get myself in position with the wind being right,

1809
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 5: so I can make a move on this bowl. And

1810
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 5: there's something about that that I just I love it,

1811
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 5: like I love the planning of it, and I love

1812
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 5: the even the failure. I always learned something in that failure. Right,

1813
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 5: It's just the same way on a football field, if

1814
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 5: it didn't work, I learned something from it. I'm not

1815
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 5: going to go out there and try the same thing,

1816
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 5: you know, I'm gonna let's let's switch it up and

1817
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 5: try a different route. And that's something I loved. And

1818
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 5: then what I also loved is, you know, I said

1819
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 5: this on the Go Hunt podcast. I was talking about,

1820
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 5: you know, when I was finally able to release an

1821
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 5: arrow on a bull. I've won, I've sacked quarterbacks and

1822
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 5: Super bowls, I've sacked Tom Brady in AFC Championship Games.

1823
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 5: Eighty thousand people screaming, howling, you know, because my last

1824
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 5: thing is wolves, so they howled.

1825
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 2: So like that feeling is very surreal.

1826
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 5: Like when you sack somebody and jump up and howl

1827
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 5: and then the whole crowd does it with you. There's something

1828
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 5: that goes that. But I've never felt the kind of

1829
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 5: emotions I felt when I was finally able to put

1830
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 5: my first bull down. I mean I didn't, I just

1831
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:06,919
Speaker 5: is screaming.

1832
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 2: I'm just like, just like you finally released it, you know.

1833
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 5: But but when I was finally able to put an

1834
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 5: arrow through through a bowl and put my hands on him,

1835
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 5: nothing is I'm telling When I was listening when I

1836
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 5: was seven years old, I was I was six years old,

1837
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 5: I White were Bill and I were talking about this.

1838
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 5: I watched Reggie White and the Green Bay Packers and

1839
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 5: Brett Favre win a Super Bowl go pack and I

1840
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 5: was a huge Packers fan, and I was like, I

1841
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 5: watched Reggie White grab that Lombardi Trophy and he put

1842
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 5: his Super Bowl Championship T shirt over his pads in

1843
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 5: Jersey and carried that thing around, and I was like

1844
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 5: I want to do that. That's like that was my vision, right,

1845
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,879
Speaker 5: That's what I want to do. That's what like sparked

1846
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 5: it right away. And I started playing tackle football next year.

1847
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 5: So my dream was to do that. Well I got

1848
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 5: to do that, and I got to carry that Super

1849
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 5: Bowl trophy around and it was like I when you

1850
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 5: reached like a goal, it's like point zero zero one

1851
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 5: percent of people get to actually live out their childhood dream, right,

1852
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 5: Like It's such a small, small occasion. But I always

1853
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 5: dreamed of bell hunting. It seems so far out of

1854
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 5: touch for me, Like it seemed like something I would

1855
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 5: never be able to attain growing up in Ohio. Like I,

1856
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 5: like I said, it was poor. You know, how am

1857
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 5: I going to get to Colorado? How am I gonna

1858
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 5: get to Montana?

1859
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 2: Like that thing?

1860
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 5: These things seem so far out of touch. So when

1861
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 5: I was finally able to do that, it was a

1862
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 5: stronger emotion than I had ever felt in my life. Really,

1863
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 5: when I was finally able to connect with a bull

1864
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 5: and just like the whole the whole experience right here

1865
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 5: in a bull come in just screaming and just so

1866
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 5: you feel it rattling in your chest. It's an unexplainable

1867
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 5: feeling unless you've been around it, and you don't even

1868
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 5: have to hunt to do it. You just go out

1869
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 5: in the you know, take go middle of September, go

1870
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 5: down to New Mexico and see what that's like. It's

1871
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 5: like Jurassic Park out there, you know. So that was

1872
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 5: you know, my first my first bull was like the

1873
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 5: best feeling I've.

1874
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 2: Ever had in my life, you know.

1875
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 5: And I just feel bad saying, act I have a

1876
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 5: daughter and all this stuff, but like this, yeah, this

1877
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,719
Speaker 5: is a different accomplishment, right. I didn't really do anything

1878
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,839
Speaker 5: on that. On the child birthday, I just was there.

1879
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1880
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 2: I didn't have to do much, you know, but do.

1881
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: My When my first kid was born, I passed out,

1882
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: really because they got off that big ass spinal tap

1883
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: deal needle all for the epidural. Yeah, I passed out, man,

1884
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: That was I later told the nurse. I said, man,

1885
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: I could eat your arm and it wouldn't bother me,

1886
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: But you're getting ready to drive that needle in my

1887
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: wife's back.

1888
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 3: Have you ever passed out before?

1889
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: No, I don't run around pass No, I don't know.

1890
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: I kind of tried to spin it off and blame

1891
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 1: various things like I had sounds like your wife's fault,

1892
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: had nothing to eat, nothing like that, you know. But yeah,

1893
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:42,839
Speaker 1: because they're.

1894
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 5: So bad for my wife when she was getting at there,

1895
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 5: because she was having contractions while they were putting that

1896
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,799
Speaker 5: into her spine, and I was just like.

1897
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 2: I was, I was freaking out. I was so sketched out.

1898
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was like there's some little complication while

1899
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: they're trying to get everything hurried along, you know, yep,

1900
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 1: because well they they're monitoring the heart, you know whatever.

1901
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: I can't remember the details now, it was it got stressful,

1902
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: and it's so like we're gonna it can't be one way,

1903
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it the other way. And and I

1904
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: woke up out in the hallway and heading his nurse's

1905
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: lap verybody else doing. Did you miss the just envisioned

1906
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 1: Hi dragging him out, so my vision.

1907
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 6: He wrapped up like a little baby, like.

1908
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 2: They brought me that little.

1909
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:32,480
Speaker 1: Like this one's already circumcised.

1910
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 3: My gosh.

1911
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: Uh, when you got when you got blown up so

1912
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: bad about when you got so blown up so bad

1913
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 1: about the lion, did it change any thing about your

1914
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 1: behavior or anything?

1915
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? It did. It changed a lot.

1916
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,600
Speaker 5: I felt like a sense of responsibility, right, And the

1917
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 5: responsibility side of it was that, Okay, now I can

1918
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 5: see what kind of attack that we're really under as hunters. Yeah,

1919
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 5: is that what I saw? I could see it that

1920
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 5: it's a really planned out attack. And somebody, you know,

1921
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 5: a guy named Lou Webb, who's just an awesome guy,

1922
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 5: you know, he gave mid this analogy for me. He

1923
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 5: was like, look, he's like, as hunters, we have to

1924
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 5: be like an el curd.

1925
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 2: What are the wolves try to do? The el curd?

1926
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 5: They try to split them apart and pick out the

1927
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 5: week and kill the week. Right, They pick them out

1928
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 5: and they start and then that's how you kill them,

1929
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 5: as you you separate the herd, and then they follow

1930
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 5: one kill it and get another one kill it. So

1931
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 5: if we want to stay together and keep this lifestyle,

1932
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 5: we have to put aside all of our egotistical.

1933
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:40,799
Speaker 2: You know, garbage.

1934
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 1: Really And it's like, Okay, who cares if.

1935
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 5: You're a gun hunter or you're a rifle hunter, or

1936
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 5: you're a crossbow hunter, or you're a long bow hunter,

1937
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 5: or you're a traditional bow hunter or you're a compound

1938
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 5: bow hunter. I don't care. I don't care what kind

1939
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 5: of broadhead you shoot. I don't care any of that stuff.

1940
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 5: That stuff does not matter, because at the end of

1941
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 5: the day, if we don't, if we keep infighting and

1942
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 5: arguing with each other and trying to like take each

1943
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 5: other down, they're gonna win because they have millions upon

1944
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 5: hundreds of millions.

1945
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 2: Of dollars back in them.

1946
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,520
Speaker 5: You know, this industry doesn't have that kind of money.

1947
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 5: We have to spend that money just to keep the

1948
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 5: wildlife safe and ready to go for us.

1949
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 2: To hunt them.

1950
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 5: You know, the amount of money that we spend on

1951
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 5: gear and stuff, like, they are spending all that money

1952
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 5: just on ending it, ending it. They don't want us

1953
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 5: to do it, like something about it they hate. They

1954
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 5: don't care that you can't reason with them. And I

1955
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,720
Speaker 5: feel a sense of responsibility to try to bring us

1956
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 5: together as hunters and try to keep us in that

1957
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 5: tight little group and like stick together.

1958
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 2: You know, so I did.

1959
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 5: I felt a big sense of responsibility, But I also

1960
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 5: I also had this sense of like, you know, I

1961
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 5: don't want to get too vulgar, but fuck them. You know.

1962
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 5: It's like I did everything by the book. I'm not poaching.

1963
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 5: The amount of money that our money, all the money

1964
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 5: that we spend on hunting, goes straight into the keeping

1965
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:57,719
Speaker 5: their trails going.

1966
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 2: They don't. How do they not realize this?

1967
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that you want to you want you want your lakes,

1968
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 5: and you want your trails, and you want your bike paths,

1969
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 5: and you want all this stuff taken care of.

1970
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 2: Who do you think pays for that? Hunters pay for that.

1971
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 5: So as a conservationist and hunters are conservationist, you know,

1972
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 5: if you do it by the book, that's what you're doing, right,

1973
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 5: you're out. I'm not out just looking for any lion

1974
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 5: to kill, right, I'm not out just looking for any

1975
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 5: elk to kill, or any bear, any deer. I'm looking

1976
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 5: for a big mature animal that is, and I'm going

1977
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 5: to eat that animal. And it's everything is used, I

1978
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 5: use everything.

1979
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you're you're in your opera. In your case,

1980
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 1: as we highlighted, you're operating within a very a very

1981
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: finely tuned state and federal sanctioned yeah activity.

1982
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. The North American model is the gold standard.

1983
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's and it's and it's like this is

1984
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: how this elaborate team of biologists and land managers have

1985
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 1: decided to maintain and utilize a resource. I point out,

1986
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: like the wolf analogy is good, there's another one. People say,

1987
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, we're all in this boat together, and I'll

1988
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 1: point out that now and then certain people will shoot

1989
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: we're in the boat together, and they'll shoot holes in

1990
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: the bottom of the boat, meaning people you know, you know,

1991
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking about people who go and and not only

1992
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: operate outside of any kind of legal framework, but operate

1993
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:30,919
Speaker 1: outside of any you know, they become unproductive, like they're

1994
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: not helpful, right, people who are you know, violating like

1995
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 1: like repeat violation of laws, willful violational laws give people

1996
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: a black eye. But I think that like you're saying, man,

1997
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: for someone to be operating in accordance with the law

1998
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 1: when we generally all agree on how these things are established,

1999
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 1: to then have that person be crucified, I think is

2000
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: also an attack on this very effective wild management system.

2001
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and they'll put false statements out there. You know,

2002
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 5: there's an organization. We won't say their name, but everybody

2003
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 5: can probably imagine who they were. Starts with a p

2004
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 5: they put out that I that I I I poached

2005
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 5: They've said that I poached it or did it illegally,

2006
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 5: or that these animals are are like mountain lions are

2007
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 5: hit the only big cat thriving in North America. Like

2008
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 5: they are thriving. Go to California. The deer population is

2009
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:30,520
Speaker 5: like decimated.

2010
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're expanding, They're expanding numbers. They're colonizing new territory

2011
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: and expanding numbers.

2012
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 5: Because that's what they do, you know. And then they're like, well,

2013
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 5: why can't you just uh, you know, move it to

2014
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 5: another area? Well, where are we going to move it to?

2015
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 5: Because there's already lying in that area.

2016
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 1: You know what if you'd done that, you know what

2017
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,480
Speaker 1: you've been doing, You've been breaking.

2018
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: Law, breaking law exactly. You know, you can't you just.

2019
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,759
Speaker 1: There lying in the bag of your truck. I decided

2020
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: to take it upon myself and move it to a

2021
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: new area.

2022
01:28:56,040 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 5: I darted it, Yeah, darted like Ricky, Bobby.

2023
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 7: Were you surprised by any of your allies in the

2024
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 7: football community or otherwise when this went down?

2025
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:09,919
Speaker 1: I was surprised by the lack of the allies.

2026
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah? But uh, you know, I dealt with

2027
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 2: this in multiple things, right, So I refuse to get vaccinated.

2028
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: And I uh a lot of trouble for that.

2029
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 5: I got fined a lot of money. But yeah, but

2030
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 5: I just the science. Well, they kept saying, believe in

2031
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 5: the science. I'm like, well, the science isn't there, so

2032
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna believe anything that you tell me. I

2033
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 5: also wouldn't kneel during the anthem, so I lost a

2034
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 5: lot of friends over that.

2035
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,480
Speaker 1: But I'm well, you lost friends for not kneeling.

2036
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, they I was so the there was a the

2037
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 5: wash I think it was a Washington Post front page

2038
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 5: put Derek Wolf tells they asked me, why aren't you

2039
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 5: gonna kneel? And I was like, well, because you know,

2040
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 5: I have a lot of friends and family and people

2041
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 5: that have served. And I remember, I remember, if even

2042
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 5: one person says that it offends them or like kind

2043
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 5: of makes them feel weird about it and they don't

2044
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 5: like it, I'm not gonna to do it. If even

2045
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 5: one veteran says that, I'm still I'm not gonna kneel.

2046
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: And when I didn't know there was a pressure, I

2047
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 1: didn't know there was a I knew there was a

2048
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: normous there's.

2049
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 2: Big press pressure. The pressure, yeah, big time pressure being

2050
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 2: very pressure. They pressured us heavy to just kind of

2051
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 2: jump on board and do it.

2052
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 3: You didn't get fine for that.

2053
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 5: No, I didn't get fine for that, but I did

2054
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 5: get labeled as a racist. So the Washington Post put

2055
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 5: on Derek Wolf tell us his black teammates to go

2056
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 5: back to Africa. When all I said was if you

2057
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 5: don't love, if you don't love this country. I had

2058
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 5: just traveled to Thailand, so I saw what these people

2059
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 5: lived like on the Bangkok River. I saw what you know,

2060
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 5: these little mountain towns in chang Mai, how they lived

2061
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 5: and they're happy as could be. But I realized how

2062
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 5: privileged we are to live in America, Like even the

2063
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,679
Speaker 5: poorest of the poor living better than how they're living

2064
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 5: over there, and.

2065
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 2: They're still happy.

2066
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 5: But to me, I said, if you don't love, if

2067
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 5: you don't love this country, we live in the best

2068
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 5: country in the world. If you don't love this country,

2069
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 5: then why do you live here?

2070
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I said. It's just a simple question,

2071
01:30:57,960 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 2: like why.

2072
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 5: Do you stay like you're well, you're free to go

2073
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 5: and come and go as you please, you know. So

2074
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 5: that was they interpreted that as and they put it

2075
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 5: in quotes too, so I had to yeah. And when

2076
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 5: I finally got them to take it down, the damage

2077
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 5: was already done. So now I got teammates of mine

2078
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,640
Speaker 5: who had won a Super Bowl with looking at me

2079
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 5: like dude, I thought like, are you like, is he

2080
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 5: a racist? They're like my family's calling me, asked me

2081
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 5: if you're a racist, if you're this, if you're.

2082
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, what are you kidding?

2083
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 1: Me? Like really?

2084
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 5: So, yeah, I had dealt with stuff like that before.

2085
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 5: So and then when this, when the lion thing came out,

2086
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 5: I noticed it even more. You know that people were

2087
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 5: like distancing themselves from me, and I was like whatever, man, Like,

2088
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be who I am.

2089
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 2: I'm a stick to my belief.

2090
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 5: It's not going to change for for anybody, especially when

2091
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 5: I'm not hurting anybody just because somebody's offended, you know,

2092
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 5: by the lifestyle that I live, because I love this

2093
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:51,839
Speaker 5: lifestyle and it's it brings me. You know, killing an animal,

2094
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,719
Speaker 5: it's not the point. It's the journey. Like my favorite

2095
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 5: part of that hunt and and that story is the

2096
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 5: journey to get there. And you notice when I tell

2097
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 5: the story, it's a small, very small part of actually

2098
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 5: when I shot the animal. Most of the story is

2099
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,839
Speaker 5: the grind to get there. It's the same with every animal,

2100
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,640
Speaker 5: so they take they all, but all they want to

2101
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 5: see is that because because that's what happens is you

2102
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 5: post a picture, right, it's like, look, you know, check

2103
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 5: it out, you know. But the only reason I'm doing

2104
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 5: I'm not going to post a picture or something. I

2105
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 5: just walked up and was able to kill easy. I

2106
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 5: want to tell the story about how difficult it was

2107
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 5: and how much of a grind it was to get

2108
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 5: to that point. So so to me, if you if

2109
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 5: if you don't want to be friends with me because

2110
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 5: of that, then I don't really want to be friends

2111
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 5: with you anyways.

2112
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 2: So that's fine, you.

2113
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 5: Know, but even you know, people will still come up

2114
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 5: and be like, did you really have to kill that lion?

2115
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 2: It's like who cares? Who?

2116
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 5: What do you care? Why do you care? I did

2117
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 5: everything by the book. It wasn't like some somebody's pet.

2118
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: Like are you is that an actual question?

2119
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like I really like why do you care?

2120
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: You know?

2121
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 5: But you try to educate it, educate them on it,

2122
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 5: you know. I did an interview on Tuck Carlson where

2123
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 5: I just started hitting with numbers because I knew I

2124
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 5: was gonna have a short segment, so I was like,

2125
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the opportunity to hit them with some

2126
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 5: conservation numbers about how many attacks on people happens once

2127
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 5: one a year every two years, somebody gets killed by

2128
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 5: a lion, and then what they do to the cubs

2129
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 5: and what that does to the population of the lions.

2130
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 5: So it's actually good for the population of lions to

2131
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 5: take out these big mature toms.

2132
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,759
Speaker 1: If your goal is to have more lions.

2133
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,599
Speaker 5: Right, if we were out there just wanting to kill lions,

2134
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 5: we've got there and just start shooting every line you.

2135
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 2: Saw, But you still you do you would like to

2136
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 2: have a.

2137
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 5: Healthy lion population because it's still cool to have those

2138
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 5: things around. But when it comes to like the wolves,

2139
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,759
Speaker 5: that's what this actually segued me into this the whole

2140
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 5: wolf or you know, trying to keep the wolves out

2141
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 5: of different areas. Colorado's already kind of screwed on that one.

2142
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,919
Speaker 5: But the least we can do is make it available

2143
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 5: to hunt them, which is still you're never gonna dent

2144
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 5: that population because it's important. I mean, look at the coyotes,

2145
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:57,440
Speaker 5: you know, coyotes destroying.

2146
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 1: You can definitely it's a good man. I think it's

2147
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: a good management tool to have like a sort of

2148
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: controlled growth of you know, I mean we've been doing

2149
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: it here, like we've been doing it well here Idaho, Wyoming.

2150
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean we've been hunting out we've been hunting wolves

2151
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 1: now for years and still seeing expansions of population, healthy numbers.

2152
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 1: It's not like it's the way it's positioned as an

2153
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 1: either or as ridiculous. It's like either either can have

2154
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 1: wolves or you can have wolf hunting, which will result

2155
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: in no wolves. And that argument has been thoroughly I

2156
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: mean no one would know it, no one from Peter

2157
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: would realize it now, but that argument has been thoroughly

2158
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 1: put the rest that you can you can very successfully,

2159
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: you can very successfully have healthy, stable wolf populations alongside

2160
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 1: state managed wolf hunting. Yeah, and it's been There is

2161
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 1: zero cases with mountain lion hunting. There is zero cases

2162
01:34:56,360 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 1: where modern like regulated hunting of mountain lions, talking about

2163
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 1: back in eighteen ninety when they were poisoning them with

2164
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 1: strict nine. Yeah, regulated hunting the mountain lions having any

2165
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 1: appreciable impact on mountain lion numbers. It's like it's just

2166
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 1: not a thing.

2167
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.

2168
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna have roughly the same amount of lions, You're

2169
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: gonna have the same amount of lines, whether you know,

2170
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 1: if you're hunting them or not hunting, especially when you

2171
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 1: factor in that the line like you got would have statistically, however,

2172
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,719
Speaker 1: it would have wound up being killed by a state agent.

2173
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was in California. It's too comfortable around people.

2174
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: California. As soon as they got rid of lion hunting.

2175
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 1: The number of lions they kill that state biologists kill

2176
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 1: goes through the roof. And now they're killing the same

2177
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 1: number of lions annually.

2178
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 5: Is they always work when they could be that they're

2179
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 5: missing out on opportunity for people to hunt them.

2180
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: People used to pay to go do it. Yeah, now

2181
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 1: you pay, you gotta go do it.

2182
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2183
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: Do you think the lion you think when the lion

2184
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 1: gets killed, he's like, well, thank god it was a

2185
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 1: government agent exactly. It's like, of course not.

2186
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 2: It's silly. Honestly, it's silly, and it's you know what

2187
01:35:58,680 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 2: I think it is.

2188
01:35:59,120 --> 01:35:59,759
Speaker 1: I was just hoping.

2189
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 5: I was just hoping it wasn't some local. Yeah, I

2190
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 5: hope it wasn't some guy out here. Bet or not

2191
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 5: have been just some guy, some hunter.

2192
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's got glad, he's got lights on it.

2193
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 5: I think this is all to do with it. It's

2194
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 5: because they're not thinking. They don't want to hear the

2195
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 5: science or the rationality behind it. They're just thinking emotionally,

2196
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 5: which I understand that they're emotional about it and they

2197
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 5: love cats or whatever, like, but you know, at the

2198
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 5: end of the day, man like, you have to manage

2199
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 5: if you're gonna live in within the nature. Like if

2200
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 5: you're gonna build houses up in the mountains and you're

2201
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 5: gonna live in the mountains, you have to manage that

2202
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 5: that population.

2203
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 1: It's Here's the other thing that frustrates me about this

2204
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: conversation is that at this point they're managed as a

2205
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 1: big game animal. The regulations are more strict. Yeah, h

2206
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: if you like, if anyone ever, if anyone who's like

2207
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 1: uneasy about mountain lion hunting from not in terms of

2208
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 1: that they feel bad for the mountain lion. If anyone's

2209
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 1: uneasy about mountain lion hunting in terms of that, it's

2210
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,680
Speaker 1: like exercise in a reckless fashion. I would invite you

2211
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: to go and try. If you're not from a hunting background,

2212
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 1: I would invite you to go and try to understand

2213
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 1: mountain lion regulations. Yeah, in terms of how thinly sliced

2214
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 1: the map is and all the quota systems around males females,

2215
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 1: tiered season structures.

2216
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 2: You have to take a test, dude, before you get

2217
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 2: your license.

2218
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you get most places you get

2219
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: yourself deer license. It's like the most you gotta figure

2220
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: out is that you know, you get like whatever amount

2221
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 1: of time, and it's either got antlers or don't you know?

2222
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: You get into these twenty four hour forty eight hour

2223
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: reporting hotlines so that you have like a portion of

2224
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 1: a mountain range carved off and you're gonna allow one

2225
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 1: female and if that female gets killed, you have X

2226
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: hours to register it. The whole season shuts down within

2227
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,640
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. There's like nothing like that now, I

2228
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: mean some big horn sheep stuff. There's really that level

2229
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 1: of detailed management. I shouldn't say nothing because there's a

2230
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,720
Speaker 1: handful of fur bears that fall in that, but anyways,

2231
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 1: that's like that's a level of focus and precision that

2232
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,959
Speaker 1: is not exercised elsewhere, now, not broadly exercised.

2233
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 8: Del I could explain Montana's hunting eggs to just about anybody,

2234
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 8: with the exception of mountain lions, I wouldn't know where

2235
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 8: to begin to start.

2236
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 6: Ye, Like, it's just inordinately complicated.

2237
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's they it's it's managed as like a

2238
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:29,600
Speaker 1: long term renewable resource. Yeah, and very focused and like

2239
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 1: that has not like I won't be clear that has

2240
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: not always been the case, but that's the case now, right.

2241
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 1: You know.

2242
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 5: Well, it's funny because you always, you know, you talk about,

2243
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 5: you know, what they used to do back in the day.

2244
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 5: When you see those old timey pictures of guys, you know,

2245
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 5: I'd hunt camp and it's like five guys and they

2246
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 5: got like ten deer hanging in the background. Sure, you know,

2247
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 5: a bunch of ten deer, a bear, a lion, they

2248
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 5: got all these different animals. Because there was the rules

2249
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 5: weren't there. They could just go out and do whatever

2250
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 5: they wanted.

2251
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to post a picture from a guy gave

2252
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 1: me a picture from nineteen fifty four or of a

2253
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes in Utah. I don't know what the

2254
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 1: rags there was rags in nineteen fifty four, but with

2255
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: a flatbed loaded with mule deer like you would not

2256
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: like bucks, like you would not just giant. You can't

2257
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: even tell how many you're in there. But it's just

2258
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: like some of the bucks in that truck are like

2259
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 1: what yeah, you know what I mean, daffy, Like there's

2260
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 1: like spreads in there. There's like a buccaneer that's got

2261
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 1: to have i don't know, thirty six inches, but they're

2262
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:31,959
Speaker 1: just piled in there.

2263
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, piled. It's insane.

2264
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 5: It blows my mind. You know, even these like old

2265
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,839
Speaker 5: time duck hunters and stuff too. You see these piles

2266
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 5: of like no limits.

2267
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 3: You know, I've got an old photo from my grandpa

2268
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 3: that I need to get in like maybe the podcast room.

2269
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 3: Well it's pretty full for my office, but it's big

2270
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 3: blown up photo of like what you guys are talking about,

2271
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 3: a bunch of deer. There's a couple of frozen foxes, yeah,

2272
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 3: hanging out the back. It's pretty cool.

2273
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 2: It's pretty wild.

2274
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 1: La La Huffman was it this great photographer that he, uh,

2275
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: photography is just becoming a thing that you could, you know,

2276
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: move around with a camera. And this dude named La

2277
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 1: Huffman made it out to Miles City, Montana and the

2278
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 1: winner at eighteen eighty one, so he got to do

2279
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 1: photos of the So the last big buffalo slaughter was

2280
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 1: the winner at eighty one eighty two. It was when

2281
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: the railroad hit Miles City and kind of tapped into

2282
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 1: the core of the northern herd, and they killed a

2283
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 1: couple of million that winter. No, that was the last

2284
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:29,799
Speaker 1: big shoot, and he got to go. He took photos

2285
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 1: of some of these hide hunters, and there's this one

2286
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:34,680
Speaker 1: photo he has. They used to make these dugouts. They

2287
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 1: just dig into a cutbank, and the amount of like

2288
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:46,639
Speaker 1: stuff that they got piled up around there, right down

2289
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: to frozen buffalo fetuses as decorations. And then some of

2290
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 1: those pictures he took too, of like the mule deer

2291
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:58,679
Speaker 1: heads and even now the white tail heads where it'd

2292
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:00,560
Speaker 1: be like just one dude standing air with like a

2293
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:06,720
Speaker 1: dugout canoe and fifty bucks. I mean, you look at it.

2294
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 1: You gotta be like that'd have been a pretty good

2295
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 1: time check that out. But on the other hair, like,

2296
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:14,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, man, well they probably were, Yeah, these

2297
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 1: guys are shooting for the mining they're shooting for the

2298
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: mining camps. Yeah, shooting meat for the mining camps. And

2299
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:23,759
Speaker 1: and like even just what what was their awareness about

2300
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:27,719
Speaker 1: were they were they you know, Colonel Dodge of Dodge City.

2301
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: Colonel Dodge talked about what he thought was just this

2302
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 1: extraordinary mealder that was lost in a fire, and you'd

2303
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 1: be like, I would love to see what that guy thought,

2304
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 1: what that guy in eighteen seventy thought was just an

2305
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 1: extraordinary mealder.

2306
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 2: It's probably just ridiculous. You'd love to know, right, Yeah.

2307
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 1: These pictures, these pictures, these guys like nah, you're like, dude,

2308
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 1: like said two hundred inch buck. Yeah, those bucks ain't around, yeah,

2309
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, and you got like six of them. It

2310
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 1: would have been great. It'd have been great to see

2311
01:41:58,200 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 1: some of that.

2312
01:41:58,600 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2313
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny you talk. I heard you say

2314
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 2: something I forget.

2315
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 5: I forget what episode you were talking about it, but

2316
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:04,560
Speaker 5: talking about like a time machine, like where would you

2317
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 5: want to go?

2318
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 4: Mm hm.

2319
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 2: And I think you talked about Daniel Boone coming through

2320
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 2: the Cumberland Gap.

2321
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and uh that Like when you said that, that

2322
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:13,600
Speaker 5: just stuck with me because I was like, man, I

2323
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 5: always thought that way too, Like I'd be walking, you know,

2324
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 5: walking in Appalachia and coming through these mountains and you know,

2325
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 5: what was it like out here before all these people

2326
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 5: came in here, Like, what was the wildlife like? Because

2327
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 5: I know how the I mean, there's deer everywhere.

2328
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:29,240
Speaker 1: Well, you'll have to listen to I was gonna say this,

2329
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:31,639
Speaker 1: you know, a project just for you.

2330
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:34,600
Speaker 6: Stay tuned, stay tuned perfect.

2331
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 1: Because we're gonna we're gonna tackle that question.

2332
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 2: I just think that would be incredible.

2333
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 1: No, we're gonna We're gonna get into a lot of

2334
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. What what were those guys? How

2335
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 1: did they hunt? What were they doing? What were they seeing?

2336
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 1: What was it like? Why was that area soul full

2337
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:50,719
Speaker 1: of game?

2338
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2339
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:54,600
Speaker 1: Probably not what you'd expect. Yeah, you like, you know,

2340
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a crazy story. Uh, you can

2341
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 1: stick around for trivia, Yeah, building and play trivia. Did

2342
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 1: you play tribune to before I did? Did you lose?

2343
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: I did not win? Did she beat the Shelby Index?

2344
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it on the show. How about that?

2345
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 9: Oh?

2346
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:11,799
Speaker 1: Hey, I got a thing for you. What's up a stat?

2347
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,679
Speaker 1: A guy proposed a stat? Can I tell you that now?

2348
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2349
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 1: He thinks that you ought to do when I was

2350
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:20,639
Speaker 1: doing the Oh you know it keeps. Here's the thing

2351
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 1: funny is I already told Krin this story. I got

2352
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 1: two things for you. Someone came up to me and

2353
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 1: said they couldn't figure out why Krinn did so bad

2354
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: at trivia. And I told Krinn that they said that

2355
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 1: they looked her up and she looks very smart.

2356
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 7: Okay, uh huh, Just they.

2357
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 1: Couldn't make any sense out of it. Yeah, can't you

2358
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:50,519
Speaker 1: make any sense? I don't know what they're expecting. They're

2359
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 1: expecting to see someone that just looked like a poor

2360
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:57,559
Speaker 1: performer at trivia. Here's the stat and it's a good one.

2361
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:03,000
Speaker 1: Strong strong, strong closers and strong beginners like you know

2362
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 1: how people say you know that the right they start strong,

2363
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:09,599
Speaker 1: they come back and finish strong. Is there anything to that? Well,

2364
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 1: we've seen with the overtime questions that Brody is by

2365
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 1: far our weakest performer. On the contrary, I think you're

2366
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 1: our strongest performer and overtime, Steve, does that make you

2367
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:20,920
Speaker 1: feel good? Feel great? Yeah?

2368
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 7: So I don't know because the ten questions are kind

2369
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 7: of random about how they're organized, But I think you

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Speaker 7: can pick up a lot of a lot of intel

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Speaker 7: about how folks handle overtime.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 1: One thing I wanted to add. We work with a guy,

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Speaker 1: Garrett Long. He's gonna hook you up with a bunch

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Speaker 1: of first light stuff.

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool, sweet, So.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get you squared away on that, and then

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Speaker 1: you're gonna stick around for trivia. Bill's gonna play trivia.

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Speaker 1: You didn't win last time. Do you feel like you're

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Speaker 1: gonna win? No?

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Speaker 2: Really, no, not a chance.

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Speaker 1: Here's a quick question. You know how you throw a

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Speaker 1: bone to guests? Is there gonna be like a double

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Speaker 1: bone throw? We have one for each of them.

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Speaker 2: What kind of categories are there?

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Speaker 7: We will talk about.

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Speaker 1: Play the drop phil.

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Speaker 9: A Ride on a seal gray, shine like silver in

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Speaker 9: the sun. Ride, Ride on along, sweet hot.

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Speaker 1: We done beat this damp horse to death.

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Speaker 3: Taking a new one.

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Speaker 1: Ride We're done beat this damn horse today, So take

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Speaker 1: a new one and ride on